Juno News - Wuhan ordered PCR tests in bulk months before ＂first＂ COVID case

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

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00:00:12.900 Coming up, more proof China lied about COVID. 0.63

00:00:15.980 Universities are trying to force vaccinations, even on online students.

00:00:19.960 And the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is not thrilled with Erin O'Toole.

00:00:25.320 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 Hello and welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:35.520 This is the Andrew Lawton Show on Tuesday, October 5th, 2021.

00:00:39.560 Hope you're having an absolutely wonderful week so far.

00:00:42.420 Maybe you are on a beach in Tofino strolling along.

00:00:46.360 Well, I mean, if you're the Prime Minister, that's basically what you're doing.

00:00:49.320 It doesn't matter what.

00:00:50.080 I felt so bad because last week I had recorded this show.

00:00:53.520 As I shared, I was in Alberta speaking at the Canada Strong and Free Network Conference,

00:00:57.660 which was a lot of fun.

00:00:58.900 I had a great time listening to Dennis Prager, Danielle Smith, Chris Sims, Michael Binion,

00:01:04.060 all these great folks, many of whom have been on this show.

00:01:07.040 And because I was going out west, I pre-recorded my show, which every time you do, you are just

00:01:11.880 tempting fate because, of course, I record the show, I head to the airport, and by the

00:01:16.300 time I land, I realize that Justin Trudeau has also landed in Tofino as I just recorded

00:01:22.860 a whole show about the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, and I realized, oh boy,

00:01:27.500 that's okay.

00:01:28.080 I had to get my shots in, so I did at the beginning of this show.

00:01:31.280 Let's turn our attention to China, though.

00:01:34.000 A new report, quite a bombshell, finds that China was ramping up its purchase of PCR tests

00:01:40.860 about six months before the first reported case of COVID-19 in Wuhan, in the Hubei province.

00:01:49.320 Now, Wuhan, of course, we know was the stated genesis of COVID-19, of this virus that has

00:01:55.080 wreaked havoc on the world, especially because of the response from governments it's elicited.

00:02:00.620 But China, who has continually denied it did anything wrong about this, is now looking pretty 0.97

00:02:07.320 darn sketchy.

00:02:08.840 So this report is from an Australian cybersecurity firm called Internet 2.0, and they've analyzed

00:02:15.240 procurement data specifically, and they found that China in the Hubei province specifically,

00:02:21.560 so that's where Wuhan is, in the summer of 2019, was spending 10.5 million US dollars

00:02:29.060 on PCR tests, double what they spent a year prior, starting in May.

00:02:34.860 Now, this is a full six-plus months before China first reported its case of COVID in Wuhan,

00:02:43.880 in December of 2019.

00:02:46.000 So these PCR tests, which we know very well by now, were starting to be ordered in such

00:02:52.060 large quantities in Wuhan six months before China admitted there was a problem.

00:02:56.400 Now, why would they be doing that if not because they were seeing evidence of some viral infection

00:03:01.580 that was spreading around, around the same time that they were getting all these tests?

00:03:06.720 This is not a radical concept to just look at based on the numbers specifically.

00:03:11.900 They were finding that orders for these tests doubled from universities.

00:03:16.080 They jumped five-fold from China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and ten-fold

00:03:21.160 from animal testing bureaus, while hospital purchases declined.

00:03:25.860 So that's a bit odd right there.

00:03:27.160 And they were looking at these data, which were monthly data they got on procurement,

00:03:31.260 and found that there was an absolute spike in orders specifically in May.

00:03:36.040 So this report has concluded that the increased spending suggests May as the earliest start date

00:03:41.140 for possible infection.

00:03:42.500 Again, almost seven months prior to when China admitted to have found a case that aligns with

00:03:49.060 what we now know is COVID-19.

00:03:51.420 And these purchases were rising all in Wuhan, which is very important here, from July through October.

00:03:58.780 The Wuhan University of Science and Technology spent 8.92 million Chinese yuan on PCR tests in 2019,

00:04:06.980 which is eight times its total for the previous year.

00:04:11.020 So the report is saying with high confidence that the pandemic began much earlier than China

00:04:16.660 informed the World Health Organization about COVID-19.

00:04:19.800 Now, the obvious response to anyone who's been paying attention is, well, yeah, obviously.

00:04:26.160 But even if it's self-evident, to have these data, to have these numbers supporting it,

00:04:31.240 I think is quite significant.

00:04:32.640 And let's bring this into a Canadian context.

00:04:35.880 Whenever anyone has asked the government, the federal government in Canada,

00:04:39.940 about China's handling of the pandemic, they have not wanted to weigh in.

00:04:45.040 And just to take a little blast through the past here, here is Justin Trudeau saying, well, now's not the time.

00:04:50.740 Why is your government so reluctant to acknowledge China's possible faults in this pandemic?

00:04:55.760 My job right now is to make sure that Canadians get the best support, the best protection,

00:05:02.880 and are able to get through this as best we possibly can.

00:05:06.880 That means getting the equipment that we need.

00:05:10.460 That means ensuring that the cooperation and the collaboration on the international stage is done properly.

00:05:18.320 That means focusing right now on today and tomorrow and how we're going to keep Canadians safe.

00:05:24.520 There will be plenty of time to point fingers, to ask questions, to draw conclusions,

00:05:31.760 and to make ensure that there are consequences for things that different countries may have done during this pandemic.

00:05:41.400 Right now, my job is to look out for Canadians. 1.00

00:05:45.420 And my personal favourite, if you ask about China's handling of the pandemic to Health Minister Patti Haidu,

00:05:52.400 well, you're just feeding conspiracy theories.

00:05:54.980 My colleague mentioned was that we don't rely on any one country's source of data.

00:05:59.960 In fact, it's the World Health Organization that coordinates the data from all countries.

00:06:04.800 Dr. Tam is a special advisor to the committee that's been working on the pandemic since the very early days.

00:06:09.820 Dr. Bruce Ellward led the World Health Organization committee to China to do the investigation of what was happening,

00:06:16.800 what they could determine on the ground in terms of China's capacity to have a full understanding of what was happening.

00:06:24.200 There's no indication that the data that came out of China in terms of their infection rate and their death rate was falsified in any way.

00:06:32.040 In fact, if you look at the death rate overall in China, it's much higher than the one we're seeing now.

00:06:36.880 And so we rely on the World Health Organization to do this important work because, of course, we're all in this together.

00:06:44.560 And I think one of the most important things to understand about this pandemic, this global pandemic,

00:06:49.520 is that as long as coronavirus exists in one country, and it exists in all of our countries,

00:06:54.440 that we actually have to work collectively as a world now to defeat this virus,

00:06:59.320 to find better ways to treat and then eventually prevent this virus through vaccination or other kinds of methods.

00:07:06.300 And that's going to take everybody working together.

00:07:10.240 Sorry, please let her finish. 0.97

00:07:14.120 So I would say that your question is feeding into conspiracy theories that many people have been perpetuating on the Internet.

00:07:26.540 And it's important to remember that there is no way to beat a global pandemic if we're actually not willing to work together as a globe.

00:07:34.400 We will have to come up with a global solution to this virus.

00:07:38.440 No country is an island.

00:07:39.860 And I am so proud of the Canadian researchers that are part of the World Health Organization Solidarity Project,

00:07:45.200 that are working on developing vaccines and treatments for this virus that undoubtedly are going to be a big part of the solution about how we all get ourselves out of the situation.

00:07:56.800 I've played that clip so many times, and every time, the indignation, I just have trouble believing.

00:08:02.660 I mean, I don't have trouble believing, but I do, if you get what I mean there.

00:08:06.080 So, Patty, hi, do you?

00:08:06.920 Yeah, you're just feeding conspiracies.

00:08:08.420 Justin Trudeau, yeah, I know.

00:08:09.420 We'll talk about China's handling later.

00:08:11.700 Well, maybe we should talk about it right now.

00:08:14.380 Now that we know that China was ordering millions and millions of dollars of these testing kits,

00:08:19.260 which, by the way, other countries had trouble getting in because China was dominating the supply.

00:08:25.680 So we were all sending them all our PPE.

00:08:29.140 Meanwhile, China had a six-month head start on this pandemic. 0.64

00:08:34.420 The evidence has grown significantly to support the idea that this leaked from a lab.

00:08:39.500 Now, people will attribute motive to that, which I don't know if we have enough evidence for,

00:08:44.260 as to whether this was just a lab accident or something that China deliberately released into the world.

00:08:49.680 Nothing would surprise me now.

00:08:50.980 And again, China has not deserved the benefit of the doubt. 0.94

00:08:55.620 China does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. 1.00

00:08:57.700 They don't deserve our trust.

00:08:58.780 They don't deserve the ability for us to say,

00:09:01.420 well, I'm sure they tried and they did their best.

00:09:03.620 No, absolutely not.

00:09:05.600 So it wouldn't surprise me if this were a weaponized virus,

00:09:08.600 and it also wouldn't surprise me if this were just massive incompetence on a large scale

00:09:12.900 that the Chinese government was trying to contain and trying to suppress.

00:09:18.900 Remember how China treated its early whistleblowers?

00:09:21.920 Again, this is almost two years ago now.

00:09:23.720 Actually, based on this, it was more than two years ago that this first started.

00:09:28.340 But we know that China was clamping down on anyone who was trying to speak about what was happening.

00:09:33.700 And this is one of the reasons that I've never been able to adopt the COVID truth or position,

00:09:38.320 that this is no big deal, because the bodies piling up in Wuhan were real.

00:09:42.160 The carnage that was being unleashed on communities in Italy, that was very real.

00:09:48.320 So all of this was done because China was trying to save face. 0.99

00:09:51.800 China was trying to protect itself and not admit that it had royally screwed up, 0.99

00:09:57.260 either because of incompetence or perhaps because of malice.

00:10:00.960 Again, you can't give them the benefit of the doubt for anything, and I'm not going to start now.

00:10:04.560 But since this report, there has been silence from the global community.

00:10:10.720 The World Health Organization has said not a darn thing.

00:10:13.340 The Canadian government has said not a darn thing about it.

00:10:16.140 China's foreign ministry has, of course, said that it is a so-called paper.

00:10:20.140 They think it's a serious scientific issue, virus traceability,

00:10:23.540 that can't be distilled down to those just Australian cybersecurity experts.

00:10:26.560 No, they're looking at this through the digital lens,

00:10:30.460 because China has not handed over a full and honest and transparent account of its health data.

00:10:37.260 So you can't have a scientific analysis when China is trying to craft a narrative.

00:10:42.520 And I remember there was a story, I talked about it a year and however many months ago,

00:10:46.200 from Barron's, which is a financial analytics firm.

00:10:49.720 And Barron's had found that the Chinese numbers that have been provided

00:10:53.200 were almost too statistically perfect to make sense.

00:10:57.920 They found that it almost looked as though someone had kind of backwards created a trend 0.70

00:11:03.260 that just couldn't exist in nature.

00:11:06.100 And that story has stuck with me,

00:11:08.020 because it is almost as though China has crafted a reverse narrative

00:11:11.580 to try to immunize itself from having any responsibility or any accountability.

00:11:17.240 That's the real immunization China's caring about right now. 0.92

00:11:21.340 And one thing that's worth noting on that as well,

00:11:23.800 is that when the WHO team went to investigate,

00:11:27.060 now, I have many, many misgivings about the WHO,

00:11:30.780 but nevertheless, they were the ones there.

00:11:32.520 They were the ones on the ground.

00:11:33.860 And when they went to China,

00:11:36.700 China refused to hand over its raw data.

00:11:40.440 So this is when I talk about that Barron story.

00:11:43.240 China didn't want its raw data analyzed by the World Health Organization.

00:11:48.100 So China went there. 0.74

00:11:49.340 They wanted the early cases, the patient data.

00:11:51.680 China would only give a curated summary.

00:11:55.380 So thus not allowing medical investigators,

00:11:59.480 health investigators to do the report,

00:12:01.500 the research they would do in any other situation.

00:12:05.460 What are they trying to hide?

00:12:07.300 And again, the most concerning part of all this

00:12:11.280 is how no one in any position of leadership

00:12:14.120 seems interested in asking all that many questions.

00:12:18.700 Whether it's, you know,

00:12:19.680 Justin, it's not the right time, Trudeau,

00:12:21.540 or Patty feeding conspiracy theories, I do. 0.99

00:12:24.140 Paul at Bureau Patty,

00:12:25.000 as we've come to endearingly refer to her on this show.

00:12:27.580 The fundamental reality is that

00:12:29.780 all of the people who should be calling for answers here

00:12:32.780 are not there.

00:12:33.620 The U.S. State Department was,

00:12:35.080 the U.S. government prior to Joe Biden taking over

00:12:38.360 was interested in getting to the bottom of this.

00:12:41.260 They were the ones that were doing the investigation

00:12:42.960 and research into the lab leak thesis.

00:12:45.220 But then all of that seemed to go away

00:12:46.960 once Trump was no longer in the White House.

00:12:50.700 And now the new Biden administration

00:12:52.560 is more interested in cozying up with China 1.00

00:12:54.960 because they're going to be saviors on the climate file.

00:12:57.420 They don't want to do anything to rock the boat

00:12:59.140 on any other area, mainly COVID.

00:13:02.460 And why this is so important,

00:13:04.780 you may think, well, what's the big deal?

00:13:06.400 Is because for starters,

00:13:07.920 China will have completely proven it can't be trusted 1.00

00:13:10.440 more than as if we needed more proof,

00:13:12.880 but clearly some people do.

00:13:15.120 So understanding exactly why we got here

00:13:17.820 is very significant.

00:13:20.540 But the other dimension of this

00:13:22.400 is that we are still paying for this.

00:13:25.180 This was not just a pandemic

00:13:27.720 that went through people's immune system.

00:13:29.840 This was a pandemic

00:13:31.060 that eroded people's civil liberties.

00:13:34.200 And that's not China's fault.

00:13:35.700 I mean, that's something that's shouldered

00:13:36.980 by the governments of Canada, Australia,

00:13:39.880 the United Kingdom,

00:13:41.080 state governments in the U.S.

00:13:42.360 They own that, not China. 0.87

00:13:43.920 China just, you know, handed them the platter. 0.89

00:13:45.840 They were the ones that forced it down our throats.

00:13:47.940 Just to point out one example of this,

00:13:50.140 Mount Royal University in Calgary

00:13:52.100 has deregistered 11 students

00:13:55.220 for not declaring their vaccination status.

00:13:57.760 So this is a story that just infuriates me.

00:14:01.140 Mount Royal University,

00:14:02.180 like all universities and colleges in Ontario

00:14:04.340 and many others across the country,

00:14:06.620 has put in a vaccine mandate for students.

00:14:09.380 If you want to go there,

00:14:10.300 you have to be vaccinated.

00:14:11.860 And they had 22 students originally

00:14:13.940 that said they wouldn't declare,

00:14:16.320 which the school just took to mean

00:14:17.920 they're unvaccinated.

00:14:19.340 And then they said,

00:14:20.240 we're dropping you.

00:14:21.540 And then half of them said,

00:14:22.720 okay, fine, I'm vaccinated.

00:14:24.080 And then the other half,

00:14:25.460 11 of them are deregistered,

00:14:28.520 which means they're not able to be in class.

00:14:30.400 They're not able to attend campus.

00:14:32.380 They're not able to do anything

00:14:34.440 that would align with them being a student

00:14:37.440 until they get vaccinated

00:14:39.180 and tell the school they are vaccinated.

00:14:41.640 And they're supposed to have access

00:14:43.920 to a rapid testing program.

00:14:46.620 But even that sounds like

00:14:48.020 it's not entirely being enforced.

00:14:50.020 And this last week originally came up

00:14:52.120 because they had deregistered an online student,

00:14:55.140 a student who was doing her classes online.

00:14:57.380 They kicked her out of her student account.

00:15:02.640 And they've apparently rectified that.

00:15:04.940 I know she was working with the Justice Center

00:15:06.480 for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:15:07.820 And they, I think, put the fear of God

00:15:09.060 into the school and they re-registered her.

00:15:11.360 But the reality is this school

00:15:12.800 is more interested.

00:15:14.660 I mean, back in my day,

00:15:15.740 which I know I'm not that old,

00:15:16.940 but back in my day,

00:15:18.100 the academic offenses were,

00:15:20.060 you know, plagiarism and cheating

00:15:22.260 and doing stuff like that.

00:15:23.940 Now not being vaccinated

00:15:25.360 is like the most grave academic offense.

00:15:27.600 In fact, they're probably going to

00:15:28.780 kick you out of school faster

00:15:29.780 for not being vaccinated

00:15:30.800 than they will for plagiarism.

00:15:32.400 Not that I advise plagiarism

00:15:34.540 in any way whatsoever.

00:15:36.200 So what's happening here

00:15:38.080 is that students

00:15:40.440 are now being forced to choose

00:15:42.460 between their values

00:15:43.920 if they, for whatever reason,

00:15:45.120 don't want to be vaccinated

00:15:46.140 and their education.

00:15:48.920 Just turning to Ontario for a moment,

00:15:51.960 Wilfrid Laurier University,

00:15:53.260 where my colleague Lindsay Shepard went,

00:15:55.420 will not allow unvaccinated students 1.00

00:15:57.620 to take online courses.

00:15:59.820 This is absolutely insane.

00:16:02.420 If you are in class normally,

00:16:05.800 but you're transitioning to online

00:16:07.660 because of COVID or whatever reason,

00:16:09.340 you are not allowed to do that

00:16:11.180 unless you are vaccinated.

00:16:12.420 So if you want to sit and watch

00:16:13.960 class lectures on your computer at home

00:16:16.600 where you're not getting

00:16:18.920 your unvaccinated germs on anyone else,

00:16:21.100 you are not allowed to do that.

00:16:22.460 And the school's rationale for this as well,

00:16:24.340 we hope to transition in the second semester

00:16:26.320 back to in-person learning.

00:16:28.380 So we, and we won't allow

00:16:29.600 unvaccinated people in class then,

00:16:31.160 so you can't be doing the online studies now.

00:16:34.540 This is what it's come to.

00:16:35.860 I mean, I used to think

00:16:36.900 that it was ridiculous

00:16:37.600 when schools would do

00:16:38.600 land acknowledgements for Zoom events

00:16:40.240 when you have no idea

00:16:41.360 what land anyone's on.

00:16:42.640 Now you need to be vaccinated

00:16:43.980 to sit in your own bedroom

00:16:45.420 and partake in education.

00:16:47.800 This is not about safety.

00:16:49.960 This is absolutely in no way about safety.

00:16:52.580 It is entirely about control.

00:16:54.520 You are not entitled to an education now

00:16:56.900 unless you get vaccinated

00:16:59.060 and want to disclose

00:17:00.480 that vaccination status to your school.

00:17:03.220 And incidentally,

00:17:05.800 schools are still forcing students

00:17:07.460 to wear masks.

00:17:09.140 They're still telling students

00:17:10.540 not to party

00:17:11.340 and not to get together.

00:17:12.340 So on one hand,

00:17:13.000 the schools are telling students

00:17:14.240 in Ontario,

00:17:15.400 certainly that,

00:17:16.540 yeah, you're vaccinated

00:17:17.680 and this is the only way

00:17:18.460 we can make campus safe.

00:17:19.540 But all these things that you do

00:17:20.700 if you were back to normal

00:17:21.780 with your friends,

00:17:22.600 you aren't allowed to do.

00:17:24.140 You can't walk around without a mask.

00:17:26.020 No, no, no.

00:17:26.440 It's not safe enough

00:17:27.220 to have parties with your friends.

00:17:28.600 Well, which is it?

00:17:29.200 Do vaccines work or do they not?

00:17:31.520 And why are you insisting

00:17:32.800 on controlling

00:17:33.560 every single aspect

00:17:35.200 of young adults' lives

00:17:37.000 under the auspices

00:17:38.880 of public safety

00:17:39.820 and public health

00:17:40.700 when you're clearly

00:17:42.440 not even prepared

00:17:43.380 to grant any freedom

00:17:44.840 as much as it pains me

00:17:47.360 to say that freedoms

00:17:48.120 need to be granted?

00:17:49.320 If someone wants to team up with me,

00:17:50.860 we can all throw in a few bucks

00:17:52.280 and create this new

00:17:53.140 completely online university

00:17:54.740 that only teaches one thing,

00:17:56.640 Civil Liberties 101.

00:17:57.800 And we'll even get free tuition

00:17:58.880 for all of these bureaucrats

00:18:01.180 and lawmakers

00:18:02.180 and university deans

00:18:03.720 because they clearly need it.

00:18:05.560 They clearly need to learn

00:18:06.860 about the importance

00:18:08.180 of individual choice,

00:18:09.220 which is in dwindling supply

00:18:11.100 these days.

00:18:12.040 We've got to take a quick break.

00:18:13.440 When we come back,

00:18:14.040 we'll talk about

00:18:14.560 the Conservative campaign's

00:18:16.100 economic record

00:18:17.060 and why the Canadian

00:18:18.220 Taxpayers Federation

00:18:19.100 thinks they might need

00:18:20.440 a new leader.

00:18:21.520 The Conservatives, that is,

00:18:22.480 not the CTF.

00:18:23.680 That's up next

00:18:24.440 here on The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:18:25.820 You're tuned in

00:18:28.520 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:18:33.800 Welcome back

00:18:34.640 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:18:36.160 Well, as was clear,

00:18:37.180 pretty much the day

00:18:38.060 after the election,

00:18:39.400 Aaron O'Toole's future

00:18:40.460 as Conservative leader

00:18:41.800 is not a certainty.

00:18:43.820 We know that caucus

00:18:44.960 is split from what we've heard.

00:18:46.800 Certainly the Conservative base

00:18:48.360 is split.

00:18:49.480 And a lot of people

00:18:50.220 are trying to paint this

00:18:51.560 as being something

00:18:52.640 that is really just about,

00:18:54.580 oh, well, you know,

00:18:55.340 maybe it's the social Conservatives

00:18:56.700 versus the red Tories

00:18:57.900 and whatever.

00:18:58.700 But I want to have

00:18:59.680 an honest accounting

00:19:00.640 of Aaron O'Toole's leadership

00:19:02.000 even on the fiscal issues,

00:19:03.660 which are supposed to be

00:19:04.700 the bread and butter

00:19:05.600 for Conservatives.

00:19:06.940 During the election,

00:19:08.120 the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:19:09.560 was a little bit perturbed,

00:19:11.740 I think I can say,

00:19:12.700 with the Conservative platform

00:19:14.900 on finances.

00:19:16.060 There was a promise

00:19:17.000 to balance the budget

00:19:17.900 within 10 years,

00:19:18.920 but not really a specific method

00:19:21.760 on how to get there.

00:19:22.860 And now Franco Terrazano,

00:19:24.860 the Federal Director

00:19:25.660 for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,

00:19:28.080 has a great op-ed

00:19:29.160 in the Financial Post

00:19:30.060 talking about the credibility problem

00:19:32.080 that O'Toole has.

00:19:33.480 Franco Terrazano joins me now.

00:19:35.480 Franco, good to talk to you.

00:19:36.460 Thanks for coming on, as always.

00:19:38.180 Hey, thanks, Andrew, for having me.

00:19:40.100 So let's start here.

00:19:41.020 Where do you think

00:19:41.480 the credibility problem comes from?

00:19:43.600 Well, it comes from the fact

00:19:44.740 that O'Toole flip-flopped

00:19:45.940 on some of the biggest issues

00:19:47.940 when it comes to fiscal issues,

00:19:49.920 when it comes to issues

00:19:50.860 for taxpayers.

00:19:51.420 I mean, he flip-flopped

00:19:52.760 on the carbon tax.

00:19:53.840 He flip-flopped on reining

00:19:55.120 and out-of-control

00:19:56.000 government spending.

00:19:57.220 He flip-flopped on repealing

00:19:58.700 the Trudeau government's

00:19:59.760 ineffective and expensive

00:20:01.020 gun ban and buyback.

00:20:03.100 You know, it almost seems

00:20:04.700 like O'Toole was hoping

00:20:05.820 that voters and Canadians

00:20:07.220 wouldn't be paying attention

00:20:08.400 on these issues.

00:20:09.240 But unfortunately for O'Toole,

00:20:11.400 voters aren't stupid.

00:20:12.980 They held them accountable.

00:20:14.420 And now O'Toole has a very,

00:20:16.780 very serious credibility problem.

00:20:18.420 Yeah, and when you talk

00:20:20.980 about these flip-flops,

00:20:21.980 I'm a firm believer

00:20:22.840 in the importance

00:20:23.600 of a clear and concise

00:20:25.160 and consistent message.

00:20:26.960 And I feel that if you have

00:20:28.380 a clarity in your message

00:20:29.600 and you're consistent

00:20:30.380 in your message,

00:20:31.260 even if not everyone

00:20:32.120 agrees with you,

00:20:32.960 they can at least respect you

00:20:34.220 for knowing where you are.

00:20:36.900 By the end of the campaign,

00:20:38.040 it was unclear

00:20:38.820 where the conservatives

00:20:40.260 would end up

00:20:41.220 if they were in government

00:20:42.020 on a lot of key issues.

00:20:43.080 Yeah, it was about

00:20:43.960 as clear as mud, wasn't it?

00:20:45.940 But I mean,

00:20:46.980 these were just complete

00:20:48.260 180s on some of these.

00:20:49.520 Let's start with the carbon tax.

00:20:51.100 You know, for a while,

00:20:52.920 O'Toole rightly railed

00:20:54.560 against carbon taxes, right?

00:20:56.380 He saw this as an issue

00:20:57.860 that reduces affordability.

00:21:00.080 He even signed

00:21:00.900 the Canadian Taxpayers

00:21:01.820 Federation's pledge

00:21:02.940 when he was running

00:21:04.020 for Conservative Party leader.

00:21:05.660 And the pledge

00:21:06.280 was unequivocal.

00:21:07.220 It said that he would

00:21:08.080 scrap the Trudeau government's

00:21:09.900 carbon tax

00:21:10.480 and then he would

00:21:11.240 replace it with nothing

00:21:12.560 so that he would

00:21:13.440 fight carbon taxes.

00:21:14.840 And then just months

00:21:15.840 before the SNAP election

00:21:16.840 was called,

00:21:17.480 he did a complete 180

00:21:18.680 and announced that

00:21:19.580 he would be hammering families

00:21:20.940 with a carbon tax of his own.

00:21:23.080 And Andrew gets worse

00:21:24.240 because he also said

00:21:25.380 that he would be bringing in

00:21:26.620 what amounts to

00:21:27.320 a second carbon tax

00:21:28.540 through fuel regulations.

00:21:30.360 So when it's all said and done,

00:21:32.160 O'Toole's carbon taxes

00:21:33.480 would have hammered a family 0.89

00:21:35.500 for nearly $20

00:21:36.780 every time they fueled up

00:21:38.860 their minivan.

00:21:40.380 This was a big one

00:21:41.980 because you're right

00:21:42.880 and I remember that.

00:21:43.680 I remember with your predecessor

00:21:45.140 Aaron Woodrick,

00:21:46.100 Aaron O'Toole signing

00:21:46.940 that no carbon tax pledge

00:21:48.540 very clear against the carbon tax

00:21:51.180 and the Conservatives

00:21:52.460 tried to spin their plan

00:21:53.740 as not being a carbon tax

00:21:55.180 because they said

00:21:55.800 that the government

00:21:56.360 wasn't keeping the money.

00:21:57.540 But I mean,

00:21:58.120 my view on this

00:21:58.780 was that if you're forcing

00:21:59.620 consumers to pay more

00:22:00.680 for something,

00:22:01.760 it's a tax through and through.

00:22:03.500 But I mean,

00:22:04.100 the worst thing

00:22:04.880 is that it didn't even work.

00:22:06.280 There's a gamble

00:22:06.880 that okay,

00:22:07.320 if we put this forward,

00:22:08.500 the Conservatives

00:22:09.120 will ingratiate themselves

00:22:10.820 in the hearts

00:22:11.340 and minds of Canadians

00:22:12.240 and it's not even like

00:22:13.140 they had a win to show for it.

00:22:15.200 Oh, you're absolutely correct

00:22:16.780 on so many issues there, Andrew.

00:22:18.920 I mean,

00:22:19.320 where do we start?

00:22:20.540 Well, the first part,

00:22:21.720 of course it's a carbon tax.

00:22:23.340 If the government

00:22:24.080 is going to force consumers

00:22:25.380 to pay more at the pumps,

00:22:27.300 that is a tax.

00:22:28.820 Now on that issue,

00:22:29.700 I mean,

00:22:30.060 O'Toole was trying to pretend

00:22:31.240 that this wasn't a tax.

00:22:32.980 Well,

00:22:33.540 if you're going to do a 180,

00:22:34.960 if you're going to hammer families

00:22:36.600 with a carbon tax of your own,

00:22:37.880 at least have the spine

00:22:39.320 to admit it

00:22:40.400 rather than play word games

00:22:42.280 and insult Canadians' intelligence.

00:22:44.740 Now,

00:22:45.200 the second issue

00:22:45.920 is that of course

00:22:46.840 this was going to raise

00:22:48.000 affordability for Canadians,

00:22:49.560 O'Toole's flip-flop

00:22:50.440 and carbon tax.

00:22:51.460 Now,

00:22:51.880 here's where things

00:22:52.900 really go wrong

00:22:54.000 for O'Toole.

00:22:54.820 One of the key issues

00:22:55.760 that all Canadians

00:22:56.680 coast to coast,

00:22:57.520 no matter what demographic,

00:22:59.160 were concerned

00:23:00.080 about affordability.

00:23:01.280 Well,

00:23:01.500 O'Toole completely lost

00:23:02.740 the leg to stand on

00:23:03.700 on affordability,

00:23:04.580 right?

00:23:04.760 Because how can you talk

00:23:05.960 about improving affordability

00:23:07.900 on the one hand

00:23:08.900 and then on the other hand

00:23:10.000 hammer families 0.95

00:23:10.980 with a carbon tax

00:23:12.240 which would mean

00:23:12.840 that they would pay

00:23:13.640 nearly $20 extra

00:23:15.340 every time they fill up

00:23:16.280 their minivan.

00:23:17.020 I mean,

00:23:17.320 you can't

00:23:17.960 and really that's where

00:23:19.180 O'Toole missed the mark.

00:23:21.600 Sarah Goodman

00:23:22.540 who is in the Prime Minister's office,

00:23:24.660 one of the chief climate advisors

00:23:26.140 for Justin Trudeau

00:23:27.140 said on Twitter

00:23:27.760 after the election results

00:23:29.540 that the re-elected

00:23:30.720 Liberal government

00:23:31.340 is a sign

00:23:31.940 that the government

00:23:32.500 has a mandate

00:23:33.220 to do more on climate

00:23:34.480 and to do it faster.

00:23:36.340 Is there not an argument

00:23:37.500 that by sending

00:23:38.340 Justin Trudeau

00:23:39.100 back to Ottawa,

00:23:39.980 by re-electing

00:23:40.660 a Trudeau government

00:23:41.340 even in a minority,

00:23:42.360 Canadians are

00:23:43.000 either tacitly

00:23:44.540 or explicitly on board

00:23:45.740 with the carbon tax?

00:23:47.200 No,

00:23:47.880 I don't think so.

00:23:49.220 I mean,

00:23:49.420 even look at how

00:23:50.280 the Trudeau government

00:23:51.260 brought in

00:23:51.920 its massively increasing

00:23:53.380 carbon tax

00:23:54.000 to $170 per ton.

00:23:55.660 In the lead up

00:23:56.480 to the 2019 election,

00:23:58.260 then Environment Minister

00:23:59.420 for the Trudeau Liberals,

00:24:01.060 Catherine McKenna,

00:24:01.720 she said that the government

00:24:02.700 had no intention

00:24:03.560 to raise the carbon tax

00:24:05.180 beyond $50 per ton.

00:24:06.980 Now,

00:24:07.480 after that Liberal government

00:24:08.680 was elected,

00:24:09.520 they waited until,

00:24:10.440 what,

00:24:10.620 two weeks before Christmas

00:24:11.880 of 2020,

00:24:13.320 months before the next election

00:24:15.020 to announce

00:24:15.560 that they would be

00:24:16.220 raising the carbon tax

00:24:17.500 all the way up to

00:24:18.120 40 cents per litre

00:24:19.180 of gasoline by 2030.

00:24:20.760 So even the Liberals,

00:24:22.200 of course,

00:24:22.660 have not been telling the truth

00:24:23.960 when it comes to carbon taxes.

00:24:25.660 And I think it's because

00:24:26.640 they know that Canadians

00:24:27.740 really have no appetite

00:24:28.920 to be seeing their cost

00:24:30.220 of living going up.

00:24:31.220 Now,

00:24:31.960 one thing I want to go back

00:24:33.140 on O'Toole's carbon tax

00:24:34.700 because you kind of

00:24:35.380 brought up a good point,

00:24:36.400 but I didn't follow through

00:24:37.300 on it.

00:24:38.160 And that's this whole idea

00:24:39.900 of the O'Toole savings account,

00:24:42.180 right?

00:24:42.440 The fact that you're going

00:24:43.260 to pay a higher price

00:24:44.300 at the pump

00:24:44.820 and then somehow

00:24:46.340 this money is going

00:24:47.180 to be put into

00:24:47.740 a savings account

00:24:48.560 which you can only be using

00:24:49.800 to buy some green

00:24:51.420 government-approved swag.

00:24:53.000 Now,

00:24:53.220 Andrew,

00:24:53.620 you know that the

00:24:54.360 Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:24:55.500 has been hammering

00:24:56.520 the Trudeau government's

00:24:57.460 carbon tax.

00:24:58.020 We're going to continue

00:24:58.560 to hammer that carbon tax.

00:25:00.080 It's really just

00:25:01.040 a thinly veiled

00:25:02.000 redistribution scheme.

00:25:03.460 But at least

00:25:04.580 under the Trudeau government's

00:25:06.360 carbon tax,

00:25:07.040 some people will get

00:25:07.960 some of their money back

00:25:09.100 in actual cash.

00:25:10.780 The O'Toole carbon tax

00:25:12.220 was a complete disaster.

00:25:13.440 It was so paternalistic.

00:25:14.800 Yeah,

00:25:16.860 I mean,

00:25:17.260 this is the whole thing.

00:25:18.040 Forget about the lack

00:25:19.380 of clarity

00:25:20.480 on what you could

00:25:21.400 spend your money on.

00:25:22.520 This idea that

00:25:23.300 you're going to get

00:25:24.240 this rewards account,

00:25:25.940 this O'Toole bucks account

00:25:27.000 that then you can use

00:25:28.160 for green purchases.

00:25:30.180 So you can buy a bicycle,

00:25:31.500 maybe.

00:25:32.040 You can buy some

00:25:32.900 energy-efficient windows.

00:25:34.640 But having this money

00:25:35.800 sitting in an account

00:25:36.580 that you can't access,

00:25:37.300 I mean,

00:25:37.500 that's been like

00:25:37.940 my Petro Points card,

00:25:39.160 basically,

00:25:39.680 where it's all sitting there

00:25:41.420 and I can't really

00:25:42.220 do anything with it

00:25:42.940 unless I just want

00:25:43.680 to buy gas.

00:25:44.340 That's the one thing

00:25:45.320 that I can do with that.

00:25:46.580 But at least I had a choice

00:25:47.500 in enrolling in that program.

00:25:49.700 Yeah,

00:25:50.020 O'Toole's carbon tax flip-flop

00:25:51.600 was really a disaster

00:25:52.620 from beginning to end.

00:25:54.380 Really,

00:25:54.840 hey,

00:25:55.040 don't worry everyone

00:25:55.980 out there in Calgary.

00:25:57.100 Yeah,

00:25:57.300 you're going to be facing

00:25:58.160 higher fuel bills,

00:25:59.160 but hey,

00:25:59.560 you'll be able to cart

00:26:00.620 your groceries home

00:26:01.860 in the middle of January

00:26:02.780 with your new e-scooter.

00:26:04.220 It was just a complete disaster.

00:26:06.540 I want to turn

00:26:07.460 to the other aspect here,

00:26:08.560 which was the balanced budget thing.

00:26:10.320 Now,

00:26:10.500 I had asked Aaron O'Toole

00:26:11.580 about this.

00:26:12.080 I think it was the very first day

00:26:13.180 of the campaign.

00:26:13.920 You say that you're going

00:26:15.000 to balance the budget

00:26:15.680 in 10 years.

00:26:16.500 We've seen the economic

00:26:17.420 situation Canada's in.

00:26:19.160 How are you going to do that?

00:26:20.740 And throughout the campaign,

00:26:21.900 we heard certainly

00:26:23.340 specific promises,

00:26:24.660 but I never saw

00:26:25.840 what are you going to do

00:26:28.200 to in 10 years

00:26:29.840 balance the budget.

00:26:30.960 And the caveat here

00:26:32.020 is that because of the spending

00:26:33.260 that we've seen in Canada,

00:26:34.460 not just over the last year

00:26:35.700 and a half,

00:26:36.120 but over the last six years

00:26:37.480 of the Liberal government,

00:26:38.580 balancing the budget,

00:26:39.920 belting the tight.

00:26:41.540 Tightening the belt

00:26:42.260 is going to be a challenge,

00:26:43.660 but I never really

00:26:44.840 by the end of the campaign

00:26:45.880 saw how that was going to happen.

00:26:48.020 Yeah,

00:26:48.400 I mean,

00:26:49.040 this was a tough one,

00:26:50.700 right?

00:26:51.000 This is very tough

00:26:51.900 for Canadian taxpayers.

00:26:53.120 It's really the

00:26:53.900 $1 trillion elephant

00:26:55.620 in the room

00:26:56.020 is the federal government's debt.

00:26:57.480 Now,

00:26:57.740 maybe we give

00:26:58.700 the Conservatives

00:26:59.400 a little bit of credit

00:27:00.480 because they were

00:27:01.240 the only major party

00:27:02.620 that was at least

00:27:03.280 talking about

00:27:04.300 balancing the budget,

00:27:05.140 but make no mistake about it,

00:27:06.780 the O'Toole

00:27:07.360 so-called budget balance plan

00:27:09.380 was not credible.

00:27:11.440 So,

00:27:12.020 we remember the data

00:27:13.160 that came out

00:27:13.680 of the Parliamentary Budget Officer,

00:27:15.240 right?

00:27:15.460 That under

00:27:16.060 the current trajectory,

00:27:17.820 we wouldn't see

00:27:18.640 a balanced budget

00:27:19.420 federally until 2070.

00:27:21.140 Well,

00:27:21.300 that was before

00:27:22.140 all of the massive

00:27:23.200 spending promises

00:27:24.120 in this election.

00:27:25.780 Now,

00:27:26.060 somehow,

00:27:26.840 O'Toole wanted to spend

00:27:28.400 about $50 billion

00:27:29.720 more than that last

00:27:31.240 Liberal government budget

00:27:32.360 and he thought

00:27:33.500 that he could balance

00:27:34.540 the budget decades sooner.

00:27:36.280 So,

00:27:36.460 he wanted to spend

00:27:37.240 tens of billions

00:27:37.960 of dollars more

00:27:38.800 and thought he could

00:27:39.840 balance the budget

00:27:40.520 decades sooner.

00:27:41.560 Well,

00:27:41.760 Andrew,

00:27:42.400 the math doesn't add up there.

00:27:44.640 And what's so unfortunate

00:27:46.000 about this Conservative Party

00:27:47.820 platform is that

00:27:48.900 for a long time,

00:27:49.940 they've rightly been talking

00:27:51.040 about the dangers

00:27:51.900 of the Trudeau government's

00:27:54.320 runaway spending.

00:27:55.860 We have more than

00:27:57.160 a trillion dollars in debt.

00:27:58.780 Even before the pandemic,

00:28:00.280 the Trudeau government

00:28:01.020 brought per-person spending

00:28:02.680 to all-time highs

00:28:04.200 and even under

00:28:05.160 those scenarios

00:28:06.220 which we are living through,

00:28:07.960 the O'Toole platform

00:28:09.360 still couldn't find

00:28:11.320 any meaningful savings.

00:28:13.500 Yeah,

00:28:14.080 and the reality is

00:28:15.100 you have to either

00:28:15.940 increase revenue

00:28:16.820 or cut spending

00:28:18.040 and both of those things

00:28:19.640 are very politically

00:28:21.600 dangerous,

00:28:23.320 some might say,

00:28:23.980 but at the same time

00:28:24.740 they're also necessary.

00:28:26.280 You don't want to be

00:28:26.840 the one running

00:28:27.580 on cutting the budget.

00:28:28.760 You don't want to be

00:28:29.160 the one running

00:28:29.980 on raising taxes

00:28:31.060 and that's the thing.

00:28:32.180 So,

00:28:32.360 if you're trying to say

00:28:33.060 you're balancing the budget

00:28:33.840 but you're not

00:28:34.380 articulating

00:28:35.040 which of those two

00:28:35.700 you're going to do,

00:28:37.100 you're missing a key part

00:28:38.320 of the arithmetic here.

00:28:39.620 Yeah,

00:28:39.900 there's a few things there.

00:28:41.220 Andrew,

00:28:41.580 I'm just going to push back

00:28:42.520 slightly on what's

00:28:44.760 politically popular.

00:28:46.020 Well,

00:28:46.200 I think it actually

00:28:47.140 is politically popular

00:28:48.460 for some governments

00:28:50.380 to actually find

00:28:51.480 some savings

00:28:52.020 and to actually stop

00:28:53.600 with this crazy spending.

00:28:55.100 For example,

00:28:55.720 I think it would be

00:28:56.440 very politically popular

00:28:57.800 if one of these parties,

00:28:59.800 O'Toole,

00:29:00.460 for example,

00:29:01.180 were to have come out

00:29:01.980 and said,

00:29:02.400 hey,

00:29:02.840 we are going to reverse

00:29:04.420 the two pandemic pay raises

00:29:06.520 that all members

00:29:07.560 of parliament received.

00:29:08.640 I think that would have

00:29:09.500 been very popular.

00:29:10.780 I think it would have

00:29:11.400 shown Canadians

00:29:12.300 that,

00:29:12.660 you know what,

00:29:13.200 maybe these politicians

00:29:14.120 do kind of get

00:29:15.820 what we're going through.

00:29:17.460 And there's other areas

00:29:18.740 of the budget

00:29:19.140 they could have cut.

00:29:20.680 I think it would have been

00:29:21.540 popular for these politicians

00:29:22.840 to say,

00:29:23.340 we are going to put an end

00:29:24.240 to corporate welfare.

00:29:25.360 We don't need to be giving

00:29:26.500 hundreds of millions

00:29:27.680 of dollars

00:29:28.220 to the Ford Motor Company,

00:29:29.560 for example.

00:29:30.700 I think it would also

00:29:31.680 have been very popular

00:29:32.740 to say,

00:29:33.400 hey,

00:29:33.640 we are going to force

00:29:34.600 all political parties

00:29:35.820 to pay back the wage subsidy

00:29:37.440 that was never meant for them.

00:29:38.920 So,

00:29:39.120 Andrew,

00:29:39.740 you know,

00:29:40.020 I agree with you to an extent,

00:29:41.540 but I think it would have been

00:29:42.780 very popular

00:29:43.780 for parties

00:29:45.040 to actually come out

00:29:45.960 and be like,

00:29:46.620 look guys,

00:29:47.460 there is definitely

00:29:48.320 some fat

00:29:49.100 up here in Ottawa

00:29:50.040 and we're going to do our best

00:29:51.380 to trim that fat. 0.92

00:29:52.700 No,

00:29:52.860 and I very much agree with that.

00:29:54.280 And I should qualify

00:29:55.200 by saying

00:29:55.860 the landmines

00:29:56.980 that are being set

00:29:57.680 by opposition

00:29:58.360 whenever you talk about cuts

00:29:59.600 makes it politically risky.

00:30:01.340 But you're right,

00:30:01.800 if you are very clear

00:30:02.660 about what it is

00:30:03.320 you want to do,

00:30:04.180 I don't think most Canadians

00:30:05.260 would say,

00:30:05.700 yeah,

00:30:05.880 I think they'd all agree with it.

00:30:08.140 Just very briefly here,

00:30:09.180 Franco,

00:30:09.480 let's talk about affordability.

00:30:10.720 You mentioned it before

00:30:11.580 in the context

00:30:12.180 of the carbon tax.

00:30:13.360 We've seen skyrocketing inflation.

00:30:15.540 I didn't see a lot

00:30:17.040 of discussion

00:30:17.780 in general about this,

00:30:19.220 about how to rein in

00:30:20.440 inflation

00:30:21.260 from any of the parties.

00:30:22.820 Yeah,

00:30:23.120 it's really quite unfortunate.

00:30:24.840 And I think the reason is

00:30:26.700 is because

00:30:27.200 a politician

00:30:28.200 cannot credibly talk

00:30:29.900 about improving affordability

00:30:31.200 without taking

00:30:32.220 a very hard look

00:30:33.480 in the mirror

00:30:34.000 and looking at

00:30:35.220 what the federal government

00:30:36.340 is doing

00:30:36.980 to reduce affordability.

00:30:38.880 Now,

00:30:39.200 we've already talked

00:30:39.900 about taxes.

00:30:40.720 Of course,

00:30:41.180 we've talked about

00:30:41.740 the carbon tax.

00:30:42.580 That is an obvious way

00:30:43.640 that the federal government

00:30:44.680 drives up the cost of living.

00:30:46.000 But of course,

00:30:46.660 there's a myriad

00:30:47.180 of other different types

00:30:48.260 of taxes.

00:30:49.240 Even during the pandemic,

00:30:50.860 the average Canadian family

00:30:52.180 paid about 36%

00:30:53.760 of its budget

00:30:54.820 to taxes,

00:30:55.540 which is more

00:30:56.420 than what that

00:30:57.300 average Canadian family

00:30:58.400 paid for things

00:30:59.660 like housing,

00:31:00.380 food and clothing combined.

00:31:02.200 So certainly,

00:31:03.000 tax relief,

00:31:03.940 which we didn't see

00:31:04.720 any broad-based tax relief,

00:31:06.400 would improve affordability.

00:31:08.200 But Andrew,

00:31:08.900 the second thing

00:31:09.900 which some members

00:31:11.400 of Parliament

00:31:11.880 are talking about

00:31:12.660 is the inflation tax,

00:31:14.400 right?

00:31:14.600 When the government

00:31:15.220 prints more dollars,

00:31:16.760 your dollars buy less.

00:31:18.180 Now,

00:31:18.560 some members of Parliament

00:31:19.760 are talking about it,

00:31:20.840 but if we really want

00:31:21.800 to have a legitimate

00:31:22.800 conversation about

00:31:23.820 how to improve

00:31:24.640 affordability on Canada,

00:31:26.120 we have to talk

00:31:27.380 about the government's

00:31:28.620 printing press.

00:31:30.420 Yeah,

00:31:31.020 no,

00:31:31.220 very much agree with that

00:31:32.620 and this is again

00:31:33.980 something that

00:31:34.680 if we are talking about

00:31:36.000 to go back

00:31:36.460 to the Conservative leadership,

00:31:37.820 what the party does

00:31:38.580 moving forward

00:31:39.180 or any party,

00:31:40.200 I'd like to see them

00:31:40.780 take these things seriously.

00:31:42.000 I mean,

00:31:42.180 if you're going to say

00:31:42.740 that the Conservative Party

00:31:43.720 is going to have

00:31:44.860 this one-track focus

00:31:46.360 on the economy,

00:31:47.180 on taxes,

00:31:47.740 on affordability,

00:31:48.740 great,

00:31:49.260 do it and do it well.

00:31:50.700 Franco Terrazano,

00:31:51.680 Federal Director

00:31:52.280 for the Canadian

00:31:53.220 Taxpayers Federation,

00:31:54.320 always a pleasure,

00:31:55.000 good sir.

00:31:55.780 Hey,

00:31:56.060 thanks for having me on.

00:31:57.660 That was Franco Terrazano

00:31:59.520 of the CTF,

00:32:00.360 always a great advocate

00:32:01.200 for taxpayers,

00:32:02.360 even if he has to drop

00:32:03.260 what may be some

00:32:04.140 uncomfortable truths

00:32:05.500 about politicians

00:32:07.040 and political parties.

00:32:08.600 I mentioned in that

00:32:09.780 exchange there

00:32:10.660 with Franco,

00:32:11.240 Sarah Goodman,

00:32:11.960 who's a senior advisor

00:32:13.060 on climate

00:32:13.660 and the environment

00:32:14.400 for Justin Trudeau

00:32:15.700 and there's the tweet there.

00:32:16.780 She says very clearly

00:32:17.640 that the government

00:32:18.240 now has a mandate

00:32:19.320 to do more faster

00:32:21.380 on climate.

00:32:22.600 Now,

00:32:22.740 if you're a Canadian taxpayer,

00:32:23.860 that means hold on

00:32:24.540 to your wallet

00:32:25.080 because something

00:32:25.900 is going to be

00:32:27.120 or a couple of hands

00:32:27.880 are going to be in there

00:32:28.440 trying to pluck it out.

00:32:29.500 I do want to mention it

00:32:30.560 because I brought that up

00:32:31.360 to Jason Kenney

00:32:32.200 last week

00:32:33.000 at a press conference

00:32:33.800 and asked him,

00:32:35.100 what is this going to mean

00:32:35.780 for Alberta

00:32:36.280 if the federal government

00:32:37.260 thinks it has a mandate

00:32:38.540 to just aggressively

00:32:40.040 ramp up

00:32:40.940 its climate efforts?

00:32:42.180 This is what he said

00:32:43.060 in response to that.

00:32:43.920 Well,

00:32:46.420 that's a peculiar

00:32:47.020 kind of mandate

00:32:47.600 where you actually

00:32:48.360 lose votes

00:32:49.340 and have the smallest

00:32:51.400 percentage

00:32:52.060 of popular vote

00:32:53.800 for a government

00:32:55.060 since 1867

00:32:57.020 in the history

00:32:57.620 of the Federation.

00:32:59.060 I would,

00:32:59.980 I think,

00:33:01.460 I think that

00:33:03.460 perhaps should result

00:33:05.160 in a perhaps

00:33:06.000 a bit of humility

00:33:06.640 rather than hubris

00:33:07.720 to say that

00:33:09.460 it is a huge endorsement

00:33:10.840 of the government's

00:33:11.740 direction.

00:33:13.060 I think what most

00:33:14.280 Canadians are concerned

00:33:15.240 about

00:33:15.560 once we get past

00:33:17.700 the COVID crisis

00:33:19.020 is economic recovery

00:33:20.940 and stability

00:33:22.760 and a federal government

00:33:25.340 attacking the largest

00:33:26.920 sector of Canada's economy

00:33:28.840 does not help us

00:33:31.000 advance national prosperity,

00:33:33.380 job creation

00:33:34.080 or economic stability.

00:33:36.960 And market realities

00:33:39.080 are now coming to bear

00:33:40.180 with a growing scarcity

00:33:42.160 of availability

00:33:42.980 of energy.

00:33:45.080 You see gas prices

00:33:46.140 in Europe

00:33:46.840 and in many parts

00:33:47.740 of the world

00:33:48.180 skyrocketing

00:33:49.140 because there has been

00:33:50.460 a lack of investment,

00:33:51.740 of upstream investment

00:33:53.020 and there's been

00:33:53.920 so much obstruction

00:33:54.860 of pipelines

00:33:56.080 and other export

00:33:57.360 opportunities.

00:33:58.680 So,

00:33:59.540 if Canadians

00:34:01.220 are going into

00:34:01.960 a long,

00:34:02.680 cold winter

00:34:03.260 paying sky-high

00:34:05.320 gas prices

00:34:06.220 in a country

00:34:07.720 that has one

00:34:08.340 of the largest

00:34:08.800 gas reserves

00:34:09.520 on earth,

00:34:10.940 I think they're

00:34:11.700 going to be asking

00:34:12.460 Ms. Goodman

00:34:13.440 and Mr. Trudeau

00:34:14.340 why the federal

00:34:16.200 government has been

00:34:16.920 impairing that industry.

00:34:18.740 So,

00:34:18.980 I think

00:34:19.820 it's our hope

00:34:21.880 that the federal

00:34:23.120 government

00:34:23.480 will take a step

00:34:24.220 back

00:34:24.640 and realize

00:34:25.380 that people

00:34:25.800 need financial

00:34:26.520 security

00:34:27.320 but also

00:34:27.800 energy security

00:34:28.660 and Alberta

00:34:29.060 will be a key

00:34:29.680 partner in that.

00:34:30.500 As you can see there,

00:34:31.500 Premier Kenney

00:34:32.040 kind of sees the writing

00:34:33.080 on the wall

00:34:33.600 and knows that

00:34:34.120 Alberta is about

00:34:35.040 to get hosed

00:34:35.660 although he used

00:34:36.600 more diplomatic

00:34:37.720 language than that.

00:34:39.320 We've got to end

00:34:39.940 things there.

00:34:40.380 My thanks to all

00:34:41.060 of you for tuning

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