Juno News - Younger Canadians voting Conservative？

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here back for another episode. Thank you for joining us.

00:00:07.420 I'm the director of the National Citizens Coalition. I'm a writer, campaigner, communicator.

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00:00:18.740 off. Young conservatism, the youth movement, a hard time to be a young Canadian. Young

00:00:24.640 professionals are being forced to reckon with decisions like in Cowichan that echo the

00:00:29.580 communism their parents escaped to wonder if the house they already can't even afford

00:00:34.600 would even stay their own. We have youth unemployment still hitting new highs, showing no signs of

00:00:40.760 slowing down as the liberals and liberal lights remain stubborn in fixing immigration or unlocking

00:00:46.940 the true conditions for a healthy economy and per capita growth production. And how are our

00:00:54.380 politicians spending their time? They're making a mess on the trade front and feeling none of the

00:01:00.120 ramifications placed on Canada's young and working class. They may even be attempting to run back

00:01:07.240 another elbows up election and really solidify that generational screw job. Ellie Canton Nantel 1.00

00:01:14.960 joins us today to talk these generational divides. These, this problem of, of doing right by our

00:01:21.800 young people, this, this burgeoning youth conservatism because kids don't feel heard.

00:01:26.600 They don't feel represented under thirties, under forties. It's rough out there and it's, it's not

00:01:32.040 getting better. We're lying to ourselves. If we say that it is legacy media pundits can spin this one

00:01:38.120 way, can spin the carny start. It hasn't been good. Provinces like Ontario, they have to be better.

00:01:43.900 Provinces like British Columbia where I'm recording this episode, total dumpster fire. The house I

00:01:49.040 can't afford, if I ever pull it off, it might not be mine. It might get, you know, fee simple might

00:01:55.260 not matter. And so Ellie is a prominent young political journalist, columnist, commentator.

00:02:00.580 You may know him from his time previously at True North. Thrilled to have him on. Join us for this talk.

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00:03:17.300 Eli Canton and tell joins the show. Eli is a prominent independent journalist, columnist,

00:03:21.960 commentator, and content creator. He's worked for the hub, formerly true north, the post-millennial

00:03:27.380 and as a political staffer on parliament Hill. Eli, thanks for being here.

00:03:31.780 My pleasure. Thanks for having me on Alex.

00:03:33.460 Of course. Now, now you launched Eli Canton and tell media with the quote, Canada's media

00:03:39.420 landscape sucks. There's no other way to put it on the role filled by many in the subsidized

00:03:45.260 like legacy press. We very much agree. Let's expand on this, this media landscape that sucks.

00:03:51.100 Why does it? And what are you doing differently? 0.92

00:03:53.340 Yeah, it's true. It sucks. Like that's, that's like this, this literally like, like came to mind. 0.99

00:03:59.700 I was like, how am I going to present this new venture to people? I got to come out. I got to

00:04:04.440 be bold. And I was like, well, this is kind of why I'm doing this. It's because it sucks.

00:04:09.440 You have three giant legacy media companies, CVC, CCTV, and Global News, who are basically all the 0.98

00:04:16.900 same. They present news in a way that in my view is biased, biased towards liberals, biased towards

00:04:23.560 more importantly, left-wing causes, especially on social issues. And there are also places where

00:04:29.880 conservatives aren't given a voice. But the example I always give is you turn on power in politics.

00:04:36.180 And the whole idea behind a show like that is you're supposed to have someone from all the

00:04:42.460 parties. And the people that these shows typically have, not always, there's some, a couple of good

00:04:49.120 people, but usually they'll have the conservative strategist who is a lobbyist who, when you actually

00:04:56.020 meet them, or even when you see them on TV, are conservative in any way, shape, or form.

00:05:02.000 The only thing that makes them conservative is to support low taxes for the top 1%, because it

00:05:07.400 means that their big lobbyist salary is taxed less. And so a lot of conservatives feel very

00:05:13.220 over under, sorry, not over, underrepresented in legacy media, because they don't want to hear from

00:05:19.520 grassroots conservatives. And they always put on grassroots leftists. And that's not a healthy

00:05:25.900 media landscape. You look at the UK, it's not like that. In the UK, they always have grassroots

00:05:30.640 conservative and grassroots leftists on programs debating. It's really a marketplace of ideas.

00:05:37.000 It's the same thing in the US. You look at like Abby Phillip, for example, clips on that show often go

00:05:42.820 on X, because you see the passionate argument because it allows even on CNN, diversity of opinion.

00:05:50.040 Unfortunately, we don't have anything like that in Canada. We have the legacy media, and the elites

00:05:55.560 on legacy media, and these conservative strategists on legacy media. And then you have the independent

00:06:00.200 lane, which is almost all conservative, because those people refuse to go on independent media,

00:06:05.140 because they look down at an independent media. So I've worked in a bit of, you know, I've worked

00:06:11.280 for conservative media. And the last place I worked was a bit more establishment, like even though it was

00:06:15.860 independent and proudly refused to take government money. I've kind of had my feet in both worlds.

00:06:21.980 And I'm trying to bring them together. Let's actually have real conversations with credible

00:06:27.680 people, respectable people. And let's try to improve the situation, because that's one thing

00:06:32.400 to complain. It's another thing to actually do something about it.

00:06:35.220 No, I agree. And you have to present arguments in a professional way and, and speak to good people

00:06:40.720 and put an electable face on the issues that you care about a professional face on the issues you care

00:06:46.060 about that, that marketplace of ideas, especially on the right is increasingly, you know, it's very

00:06:51.560 conservative. It's where we all go. And I think part of what Juno's doing part of what you're doing,

00:06:57.000 guys like myself, it's about raising the bar in independent media. So it, you know, it looks great.

00:07:03.160 It sounds great. It, in some ways, is replacing these old streams, we're certainly reaching more

00:07:08.000 people than those in the subsidized media, and we don't need a ton of help. And then we don't with

00:07:13.120 that doesn't come expectations that you're going to play nice with the people who are kicking you,

00:07:16.780 you know, kicking you the dough. And so you are doing terrific work at the moment on that

00:07:21.560 sub stack on YouTube. I know you're a must follow for myself and many others. I wanted to highlight

00:07:26.600 your latest episode with the great Jamie Sarkonic. I love Jamie's work. She's, she's with the National

00:07:31.720 Post. Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, she's quickly becoming to me like she, I told her to update her

00:07:36.620 biography recently, because she just calls herself a columnist. No, you're, you're an important

00:07:41.220 journalist. You are, you are not just, you know, shooting the wounded as some columnists are known

00:07:47.820 to do. It's like you are digging up these really important stories. Now, in this episode, the two

00:07:52.600 of you are sounding the alarm that Canada's justice system has turned into a woke two-tier affair.

00:07:57.900 Tell us more about that reporting. Well, yeah. So, I mean, I think a lot of people who are on X,

00:08:03.880 or even Juno News readers, because Juno News has actually done amazing reporting on this,

00:08:08.520 will have seen interesting cases where you have someone like an Indian immigrant committing a sex 1.00

00:08:15.220 crime and getting a lighter sentence, or an indigenous person committing a horrible crime 1.00

00:08:21.620 and getting a reduced sentence, or some black person getting a reduced sentence because of supposed

00:08:27.480 racism in society. And a lot of people, I think, have just come to the conclusion that this is just

00:08:33.940 because the system is woke and the just judges are woke. And it's very true that a lot of the

00:08:39.160 judges today are woke because Justin Trudeau appointed liberal party donors. Yeah, very,

00:08:43.620 very liberal people appointed DEI candidates to the bench. And I did some reporting on that when I was

00:08:48.760 at True North. But there's another part of this is that it's not just a couple of bad actors. The whole

00:08:55.160 system is built this way. You have three consequential causes, three consequential precedents

00:09:02.140 that have been baked into the system. The Gladue ruling in the 90s that give indigenous people 0.85

00:09:10.380 access to lighter sentences in the name of reconciliation. You have the impact of race and

00:09:17.080 cultural assessments that came in the 2010s that gives black people an opportunity to have a lighter

00:09:21.860 sentence. And since 2013, immigrants are able to get lighter sentences in order to not trigger 0.54

00:09:27.680 automatic deportation without appeal, which at the time of the ruling was two years. Now it's a six

00:09:33.340 month sentence. And, you know, you look at some of the original cases where this may have been

00:09:38.400 applied, like Gladue for the indigenous, it was a domestic abuse case. You know, sometimes there will

00:09:44.060 be someone who will die in a domestic abuse situation, because especially if it's a woman, which it wasn't

00:09:48.700 that case, because they're defending themselves against her abusive husband, and they kill them 0.96

00:09:53.200 accidentally. But it or the immigrant case for it was a someone who was trafficking marijuana. So you

00:09:59.960 may be able to say, Yeah, but it's just a drug offense. But no, it starts there. And then it gets

00:10:04.180 escalated to the point where you have an indigenous person who sexually assaulted 12 year old 12 or 16

00:10:09.620 year old girl get now from the top of my head, and gets a lighter sentence, you have immigrants that 1.00

00:10:16.600 commit sex crimes. And they're like, the judge says, you can stay in Canada, we'll make it easier

00:10:21.200 for you to stay in Canada. Like, this is incredible. And it's not just a couple of woke judges, it's the

00:10:27.200 whole system that was now built this way. We were sounding the alarm because we think something has

00:10:31.720 to be done to change that it's insane, that this is happening every single day in our justice system.

00:10:36.640 It is. And Jamie's done great work as well. I've had some episodes on trucking, for example,

00:10:42.340 where she's really showcasing that there's some incredibly dodgy people here who then get these

00:10:47.820 incredibly dodgy sentences. And they're all temps. They're not, gee, if they're not even providing

00:10:54.620 favorable sentences to to some high quality diplomat or someone who who offers real value. These are

00:11:01.400 these are replaceable cogs who were never given proper background assessments who are here and who

00:11:06.280 are causing trouble and are often on expired visas. It should be the quickest yank in history. It's,

00:11:11.900 you know, the World Series is on right now when the when the reliever is in trouble, you go to the

00:11:16.400 bullpen, you get them out of there. These are guys who are coming here causing trouble. They need to go

00:11:21.040 and they need to go immediately. And the fact that they're getting to stay as if they were offering

00:11:25.700 any value in the first place is deeply offensive. And I'd be able to add to that, Alex. Yeah,

00:11:33.260 please. It also enables the behavior. There was this was on social media about a month ago,

00:11:37.620 and it was a international student from India who was on Snapchat and he was filming himself

00:11:42.280 drunk driving and speeding at night, I believe in Brampton. I saw that.

00:11:46.580 Yeah. Not only are you in Canada on a student visa thinking that that behavior is okay, but you also

00:11:52.660 think that it's okay to then post it to the entire world that you're doing this. Like this is where

00:11:58.740 we're at right now where these people, instead of being under this idea that, oh, I'm a visitor to this

00:12:06.500 incredible country. I have to behave. I have to be on best behavior, which is how I would feel if I was

00:12:11.380 studying at one of these new elite universities in the Middle East, because they're opening a lot of

00:12:16.300 really nice universities in the Middle East. For example, if I was studying there, I would be on my

00:12:19.980 best behavior because I knew if I did one thing wrong, I'd be kicked out. But instead, these people

00:12:25.540 not only know that they can break the rules, but they feel comfortable enough posting themselves

00:12:32.160 breaking the rule on social media. That to me is another case of Canada being broken.

00:12:37.520 I mean, if you went to Singapore right now and left your gum on the ground,

00:12:41.440 you know, they're sending you home. They're putting you on a plane. We do drunk driving

00:12:45.800 through Brampton or through Caledon, Dufferin County. And it's no big deal. Going to Instagram

00:12:51.880 right now. I know you're popular on Instagram as well. You'll just openly see like immigration

00:12:57.320 fraud consultants like in your reel. It's just, hey, I'll smuggle you across the border. LOL.

00:13:03.160 Hashtag immigration fraud. And it's been going on for ever since they spiked it. Now we could go on

00:13:11.180 immigration forever, but I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about recent work of yours in relation to

00:13:16.560 Charlie Kirk. His shocking death, it obviously meant so much to so many. I know he's had a large

00:13:21.800 influence on your work. Tell us about what he means to young conservatism and what he's meant to

00:13:27.660 who you are and what you do. For sure. Well, Charlie Kirk was not just your typical political

00:13:33.520 influencer or even a political operative or political person. He was almost like a larger

00:13:38.560 than life figure. I mean, this guy was incredible. This guy was a product of meritocracy, a product of

00:13:44.380 hard work. He, you know, had to go and beg for money, kind of like I had to do with my organization.

00:13:49.280 And, you know, he started with a very, very modest budget and he was able to, I believe it was

00:13:53.640 something like 50,000 US dollars is what he started with. And he was able to build down

00:13:57.540 it to an organization that made almost a hundred million dollars annually. Big, big conferences,

00:14:04.000 bringing in 20,000 people together in Arizona and headlining conservatism. He's part of what

00:14:09.700 made conservatism cool. You know, he modernized the conservative movement. He told the Republican

00:14:15.440 establishment that was getting more and more out of touch with young people. No, these are the issues

00:14:19.460 you have to fight and you have to fight them hard. But also with Charlie, what was so incredible was

00:14:24.320 he was such a man of principle. You know, he was very, very well informed. He had read all the good

00:14:29.720 books. He was a Christian and you could tell he was genuinely a good person. And that is conservatism

00:14:35.100 was not based on what's edgy. It was actually based on dealness, on common sense, on common values.

00:14:43.700 And I just think that that made him such an admirable person because you could tell he was really,

00:14:48.680 really deep into his convictions when he would argue. And you could tell that, you know, he was

00:14:53.620 worried about certain trends and he would address them very, very well. And, you know, it's a huge

00:14:59.760 loss that he's gone. Personally, I've looked up to him. I was like, I want to try to, with my resources

00:15:07.840 to try to get something like this here. And what was very difficult for me was, I mean, they killed,

00:15:13.680 this is, I wrote this on Substack, they killed my hero. Like, what do you do when the person you look

00:15:17.840 up to the most gets shot? So I was quite impacted by that. The answer, of course, is you double down

00:15:24.640 and you don't let the left bully you into silence. But it was, I think, shocking for a lot of us.

00:15:30.880 And it's a big hole because, as I said, this man was not just a conservative influencer or

00:15:36.100 conservative speaker. This guy was a larger life figure who's had a really deep rooted conviction,

00:15:41.220 deep faith, and just overall well-informed conservative philosophy. He was the leader

00:15:47.200 of the Gen Z conservative movement, to be quite honest.

00:15:49.880 Very much so. And I think filled an important void as well, which is he obviously, not only was

00:15:55.940 he housebroken as a pundit and having a terrific organization, which to the uninitiated, they have

00:16:03.760 like an entire campus. Like he started with that $50,000 and it is now you go there and it's all

00:16:10.220 multiple buildings. And he was always operating out of one that was kept secret. So people wouldn't know

00:16:14.900 about it for security reasons. But he was worried about the far right. Like he would criticize the

00:16:22.820 far left, but he was worried about, you know, if I'm not, if I don't help provide some leadership

00:16:28.440 here, if I don't put a congenial face on things and, and force people to debate on merit, this can

00:16:35.160 get darker. This can get more difficult. And so much of what I do now in my work professionally is,

00:16:41.100 is worry about our young people and worry about that pull of alienation. You know, these are folks

00:16:49.540 who aren't being offered opportunities, are working aged. Like I, I'm speaking at a university on

00:16:54.100 Thursday this week, along with Jeff Russ and Caroline Elliott, because we know that upward

00:16:58.480 social mobility, housing, growing cultural concerns and national cohesion, young and youth

00:17:03.780 unemployment, they're staying not so good. And in the case of unemployment at record highs, these are,

00:17:10.120 these are kids who aren't receiving the urgent care that they deserve. Now, as a, as a prominent

00:17:14.640 young figure on the, this quote unquote new right, where do you wish to see politicians and parties

00:17:20.420 better in tune with the needs of young people, young conservatives and, and betterly is, is the

00:17:26.800 party, you know, more in tune than, than the other ones. I do want to pick up quickly in what you said

00:17:32.300 about the, the, the far right. Yes. It, it, it, what Charlie was doing too, she was positive because

00:17:38.420 there was kind of three men that have been influencing, um, you know, conservatives. It was, you had Nick

00:17:45.280 Fuentes, who was a self-proclaimed in, in cell, who's a Nazi. And I'm not afraid to say that he's 0.81

00:17:51.640 a racist. He's a really demonic person. And now he's on the rise. Uh, Andrew Tate, who just is a 1.00

00:17:58.300 pimp and is a pig. And, and these two resonated because, you know, they actually did pick up on the 0.99

00:18:04.480 problems. My issue is not the problems they identified. My issue is the horrible solutions

00:18:09.280 they have to legitimate issues. And the third one was Charlie Kirk, who actually had biblical,

00:18:15.380 conservative, um, you know, proactive, not proactive, productive, uh, solutions to these

00:18:22.480 real issues. And, and, and so, and, and I really respected the fact that Charlie would call those

00:18:28.060 people up, uh, to answer your question, the conservative party has never been at a better

00:18:32.240 place under Pierre Polyev. Pierre Polyev is the best leader the conservative party has ever had. And I'm

00:18:36.960 willing to say that, um, he understands young people far better than the previous leaders. And you see

00:18:42.940 that through the fact that Pierre Polyev is not just an economic conservative. He's also a real

00:18:47.140 conservative. He's a cultural conservative and his MPs. He's allowed people into his caucus, like

00:18:51.800 Janelle Giovanni, who's now doing an incredible camp store, like Aaron Gunn, like Matt Strauss, like Roman

00:18:57.500 Baber, like Andrew Lawton. These are real conservatives who would have probably not been invited into the

00:19:02.920 conservative party under other leaders. And they've been allowed in not only that, but they've

00:19:06.920 been allowed to speak their minds. And I think that's really good for, for young conservatives

00:19:11.260 because here's the thing, Gen Z conservatives. Yes, it is true that the economic situation set

00:19:17.340 has brought some Gen Z to vote for the conservative party. But when you meet a Gen Z conservative, 0.62

00:19:22.600 they are not this economically conservative, socially progressive type. And in fact, I have a poll just in

00:19:29.000 front of me. Only 6% of Canadians meet the economic conservative, cultural progressive, the type of

00:19:34.880 person that CBC will put on power in politics as the conservative expert. In reality, most people

00:19:39.760 are either economic progressive and cultural conservative or economic and cultural conservatives.

00:19:45.920 And I think the party needs to continue doing this because young people see,

00:19:49.920 they've witnessed themselves, the woke ideology in their schools and in their campuses when they're

00:19:55.360 asked to do land acknowledgement, when they're asked to state their pronouns, even though it's so obvious

00:19:58.840 that they're a man or a woman. They see it with immigration. They see, you know, how immigration

00:20:04.720 has changed the landscape of Canada. They've seen how immigration has raised housing prices. They've 0.60

00:20:10.760 seen how immigration and especially the TFW abuses has led to job shortages. So for young conservatives,

00:20:18.760 they're looking for a return to the good old Canada, the Canada of Stephen Harper and even of other

00:20:24.600 prime ministers before that, where we didn't have everything being broken, where we didn't have

00:20:28.600 wokeness everywhere, where there was more common sense. And I think the conservative party moving

00:20:32.920 forward needs to not abandon that social and cultural conservatism. It actually needs to double

00:20:38.840 down. And I think it's doing a good job on the immigration front. We've seen really good

00:20:43.000 conservative messaging on immigration. But I do also think we need on DEI, Vincent Neil Ho, who's a

00:20:49.160 conservative MP, Gen Z, I believe from Newmarket or I believe not from Richmond, Richmond Hill, 0.92

00:20:54.440 sorry, doing a great job on that. And we just need to see more and more and more of that, because

00:20:59.480 that's how we will build something productive and avoid a situation in the United States where we have

00:21:04.760 young men in Canada feeling abandoned and then turning to more fringe ideals, because these are

00:21:09.480 the only people who are willing to address their issues, even if their ideas are terrible.

00:21:14.520 No, I agree. And I've been on the other end of it with those guys where I've said like,

00:21:18.040 hey, this is trouble. You know, folks are trying to fix immigration. I can appreciate that you're

00:21:23.000 upset. And you see it going to a potentially deep and dark place. Like it is a version of

00:21:28.360 a radical leftism. It's a race maximalism. It's not healthy. And if you actually talk to young

00:21:35.000 people right now, even the ones who aren't feeling that pull, they don't want to talk about austerity.

00:21:41.560 They don't want to talk about this kind of gate kept idea of conservatism. They don't want to talk

00:21:47.800 like maybe a tokenized pundit on the legacy media who used to work for a conservative campaign.

00:21:54.280 They want to talk about culture. They don't want to have some grand culture war. It doesn't mean

00:21:59.960 that they're American adjacent or Trumpy or MAGA-ish or whatever pejorative gets thrown their way and

00:22:08.760 that it just isn't appropriate. They want to talk about immigration. They want to talk about crime

00:22:13.880 and drugs and squalor and a lack of meaning. They want to feel oriented towards something that looked

00:22:21.720 like the Canada they grew up in or that, you know, people tell them about because they're not seeing

00:22:27.240 it. And it's so frustrating to me to see as, you know, like the elbows up continued trade disputes.

00:22:34.600 You know, we have instigations from Ontario's premier. They're not impacting those who are engaged

00:22:39.960 in that. They are impacting these kids. They're impacting working age Canadians.

00:22:43.960 Yes.

00:22:44.280 This may be satisfying to liberal boomers and our well-fed consultant class, but not those struggling

00:22:52.040 or who have to live with the repercussions. I know Doug Ford's actions certainly come to mind.

00:22:59.400 You joined us at Project Ontario, the event back on September 30th. And to the unaware, that's an

00:23:05.240 assembly of legacy conservative groups, concerned citizens, campaigners who want to see more

00:23:10.280 principal conservatism out of a Ford government and an inner circle currently under investigation

00:23:16.120 and scrutiny, perhaps for the lack thereof of principles. Did you see or hear anything that

00:23:22.120 could be described as radical rights or Yahoo-esque as the premier and his camp insinuated when you were

00:23:28.680 at Project Ontario? So I actually wrote about this on Substack because he did call them radical right

00:23:36.440 in yachtins, which was what he previously called those who opposed this lockdowns. And I just thought

00:23:43.160 that was a very ill-advised, very disappointing response. First of all, part of this criticism is

00:23:51.720 the criticism I've always had for you overuse of the word is when you overuse a word, it uses its meaning.

00:23:57.160 And I think especially now where we have an actual rising radical right, especially in the United

00:24:01.960 States, but a little bit in Canada too, to call mainstream conservatives radical right is actually

00:24:06.840 very dangerous. But second of all, it's also not productive because Project Ontario, I think it was

00:24:15.320 like, there was a good turnout, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't like we filled them a nice event space

00:24:20.760 at a museum. We didn't fill an arena. And the way that they, the fact that it reacted so much,

00:24:26.040 so negatively to school choice, to better healthcare with access to the private sector,

00:24:31.880 to merit-based hiring really shows you that they know they're not doing something right.

00:24:39.000 And I'll just share this little thing I ran into, and I'm not going to say his name because I always

00:24:42.760 keep these conversations private, but I ran into a senior Doug Ford person in Calgary this summer.

00:24:49.880 And this was, I was still at the hub and the hub is running the Project Ontario pieces.

00:24:53.560 And this individual comes up to me and he says like, we was really, really upset that we were

00:24:57.560 running project, these Project Ontario pieces. And I told him, well, maybe if you guys governed

00:25:03.240 differently, there wouldn't be a need for Project Ontario. I mean, I think it's ridiculous that we

00:25:09.480 have in Ontario, a government that has not done a lot to address wokeness in school, not done a lot to

00:25:14.680 address DEI. In fact, given lots of money to DEI, including to a group that was previously chaired

00:25:20.280 by a woman named Kike Ojo Thompson, who was accused of bullying a principal who later committed suicide.

00:25:26.200 And the government gave her money even after the fact that, you know, won't do anything major on

00:25:32.680 healthcare. You know, it's just not good enough. It's not good enough. And I think conservatives,

00:25:38.680 you know, I don't think we need to get rid of Doug Ford or, you know, I don't think, but I do think

00:25:45.880 it warrants us saying, hello, please. We deserve a bit better. We demand better and we should demand

00:25:53.160 better. And I think that they shouldn't react this way when people demand better. I think they should

00:25:58.440 actually listen to the ideas. But if they don't want to do that, then they should just ignore and say,

00:26:03.320 I don't know, like Doug Ford should have simply said, I don't know what project Ontario is. I'm

00:26:07.480 focused on governing the province. And I think it would have been a perfect answer.

00:26:10.840 Yeah. Instead, it was a kind of Streisand effect by drawing attention to it. It becomes,

00:26:15.400 I was thankful for the publicity because I, on the topic of young people and to tie it back in, it's,

00:26:22.200 there's no worse province to be a young person than Ontario housing starts are off a cliff. You know,

00:26:27.720 immigration is first and foremost as an effect felt there. And, you know, healthcare wait times are

00:26:32.920 getting worse and it's very expensive. And what a lousy, you know, it's a really lousy place to be

00:26:37.560 in your twenties or thirties and trying to make a go of it and not seeing upward social mobility.

00:26:42.440 And yes, yes. And I, I'm an example of that. I'm just finishing up my university degree right now in

00:26:47.560 Ottawa, but in the next two to three years, I'm out. I'm not staying in Ontario. I will either be

00:26:52.680 going out to Alberta or be moving to Washington DC in the United States. If I can find a way to get a

00:26:57.800 visa, I don't, unless you get a job on Bay street or unless you, you know, go work in your parents'

00:27:05.240 business or maybe you want to work in Ottawa as a staffer, there's no reason to stay in Ontario.

00:27:12.120 There is not. I like, I find it so depressing being here. Like it's just not a place to be.

00:27:17.640 When I land in Alberta, I always was, as soon as I get off the plane, I just feel like this

00:27:22.360 positive energy. Like it's just amazing being out there. Like, and I, I, I wish the Ford government

00:27:29.320 would, you know, take that into consideration and try to make Ontario this place where people

00:27:34.520 want to go. Uh, it's possible, you, you know, Ontario is a great place. Uh, geographically,

00:27:41.240 you've already got big cities, you've got a lot to offer. And I would tell them, you know,

00:27:46.280 if you guys want to continue getting the support of young people, try to do something about this,

00:27:51.640 because they're also just sleeping as this big issue keeps on growing. I don't know a

00:27:55.720 single person who is Gen Z, who's passionate about staying in Ontario, with the exception of two

00:28:00.520 friends, one that works on Bay street as a banker and the other one who works on Bay street as a

00:28:04.840 junior lawyer. These are the only two people I know who are passionate about being in Ontario

00:28:08.120 because they've got good jobs. Everyone else wants out. No. And it's a real thing. And we can choose

00:28:12.920 to ignore it or we can tell the truth about it. I spoke about it on stage, which like the polling

00:28:17.160 dynamics of young people, Ontario, in Ontario, young Canadians in general, it's like everyone

00:28:21.560 has their eye up on the door. Everyone has one foot out of it. If somebody came offering,

00:28:26.840 so maybe, you know, don't just focus on gerontocracy. Maybe don't just do the elbows up thing. Like maybe

00:28:33.240 get it together on housing and cohesion and safety and give these kids a fighting chance because they're

00:28:39.240 going to want out. Like they will, they will. Absolutely. I just want to say something else to

00:28:43.560 that. There was a poll done at the start of the year and I wrote an article about this sort of hub,

00:28:46.920 which ended up being one of the most red pieces ever on their website. And it was titled,

00:28:52.040 half of my generation wants Canada to become the 51st state. Here's why. And there was a poll done

00:28:57.240 by Ipsos. And they asked young people, if the United States gave you US citizenship

00:29:02.520 and gave you converted your assets to US dollars, would you accept Canada becoming the 51st state or

00:29:08.440 would you vote for it? And almost half of young Canadians were saying yes. And just two weeks ago,

00:29:15.400 I was in Toronto. I was speaking at a conference and the amount of just, I want to move to the US.

00:29:20.600 I was there. I ran into a friend who I had not seen in three years and he's just wrapping up his law

00:29:26.040 school. And he was telling me I'm applying for jobs in the US. The next day I speak at this conference

00:29:31.560 with a bunch of young people and some of them tell me they want to move to the US. And then I go and

00:29:36.200 meet another friend who has US citizenship and he says, oh yeah, I'm going to go relocate to the US.

00:29:41.000 And then I go and meet one last friend. I'm very social when I try to be in Toronto. I try to not

00:29:45.320 stay too long because I don't like Toronto, but I do like to see my friends when I'm there.

00:29:49.320 Last friend I go for coffee with, he's like, oh yeah, I just got my O1 visa, which is a 0.98

00:29:53.800 that's the type of professional visa you can get to go to the US. So it's like in one trip,

00:29:58.360 I just had so many people being like, we want to move to the United States and they want to move to

00:30:02.440 the United States, despite Trump, which the boomers are horrified by, despite this supposed

00:30:07.400 gun violence, because it turns out we actually have a lot of gun violence in Canada too. At

00:30:11.960 least in the US, you can protect yourself. And they just look at the US, they see the growing

00:30:17.320 economy, they see that AI is going to actually bring a lot of wealth into the United States

00:30:21.560 on top of the wealth that tech has already brought in. And then they look at Canada, where we have the

00:30:25.800 70 cents dollar where we just, our future looks more and more grim every single day. And a lot

00:30:31.960 of people are saying, no, no, thank you. And I can 100% sympathize with why people want to leave.

00:30:39.400 Yeah. And one party's listening to that at the moment with campus tours and

00:30:44.520 cultivating young voters and the other should, no matter what, if you're federal or what province

00:30:49.240 you're in, Ontario could do a much better job. Ellie, leave us with some links. Where can people find

00:30:54.680 your work? For sure. Well, go to Ellie Canton Nantel. That's E-L-I-E-C-A-N-T-I-N-N-A-N-T-E-L.com.

00:31:04.920 That's my sub stack. You can subscribe there. And on there, you'll find a link to my YouTube

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Juno News - October 30, 2025

Younger Canadians voting Conservative？

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