JustPearlyThings - 304 Destroyer, ANDREW WILSON, Joins THE SITDOWN!

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00:05:02.360 Welcome to another episode of The Sit Down.

00:05:05.780 And today, I have a special guest, 304 Destroyer, Andrew Wilson.

00:05:11.840 Welcome to the show.

00:05:12.780 Thanks for having me.

00:05:13.440 I appreciate it.

00:05:14.320 So, I got to ask...

00:05:15.620 I'm not sure about this jarred water, I'm not sure about this jarred water, though.

00:05:17.300 I'm not sure about this jarred water, though.

00:05:17.360 I don't know.

00:05:17.840 Really?

00:05:18.400 Jarred water?

00:05:19.360 Well, we like to be, like, environmentally friendly.

00:05:23.420 Jarred water?

00:05:23.940 I care a lot about the environment.

00:05:26.360 Please disregard this can here.

00:05:28.640 I mean, it's such, like, a beautiful studio and this and that.

00:05:31.160 I'm like, why am I drinking out of a mason jar?

00:05:33.000 What's going on here?

00:05:33.540 Well, I feel like that's higher quality.

00:05:35.360 Yeah.

00:05:35.700 Higher quality HDL.

00:05:37.040 That's fair.

00:05:37.700 All right.

00:05:38.020 So, how did you get into this space of YouTube?

00:05:45.380 By complete accident.

00:05:47.020 Really?

00:05:47.400 Yeah.

00:05:47.720 So, were you just, like, a normal guy working, like...

00:05:50.220 Yep.

00:05:50.440 A normal guy was working, mostly doing...

00:05:54.000 Well, I mean, I did robotics repair and industrial robotics maintenance.

00:06:01.340 And, yeah, essentially, when COVID happened, they shut down the types of plants.

00:06:08.020 That I was working at.

00:06:09.520 So, I had some free time.

00:06:11.640 And I started going on and wrecking people in various...

00:06:15.600 I won't say where, but...

00:06:17.820 Pretty public internet area.

00:06:21.000 I started wrecking them pretty bad.

00:06:22.760 And people enjoyed it.

00:06:24.640 And I enjoyed it.

00:06:25.400 So, I kept going back and wrecking more of them.

00:06:28.100 Because I hate the left.

00:06:29.280 Like, it made me really hate them.

00:06:31.380 Yeah.

00:06:31.840 And, you know, that hasn't changed either.

00:06:34.460 I still really hate them.

00:06:36.620 But that's how I got into it.

00:06:39.060 So, because I've always wondered, you're so normal.

00:06:41.860 And the people in this industry are so weird.

00:06:44.160 Yeah.

00:06:44.920 You and Rachel both are just, like, the most normal people.

00:06:48.740 And so grounded.

00:06:49.820 And I find that people that didn't have real jobs before just go kind of nuts.

00:06:55.100 Because they never have to deal with, like, being told no, ever.

00:06:58.180 Yeah.

00:06:59.100 Yeah.

00:06:59.340 Well, there's a...

00:07:00.720 Same thing.

00:07:01.520 I've noticed the same exact thing.

00:07:03.360 So, one of the things is...

00:07:05.700 Like, I didn't know I'd be a great entertainer.

00:07:08.260 I had no idea.

00:07:10.100 But it happened.

00:07:11.400 Right?

00:07:12.380 And I think when it happens to people like me, you know, I was already in my late 30s.

00:07:16.380 You know, I'd already been raising a family.

00:07:18.260 I'd been in the private sector my entire life.

00:07:20.560 You know, working 40, 60, 70, 80-hour weeks, depending.

00:07:26.760 So, yeah.

00:07:27.700 We're very normal people. 1.00

00:07:28.960 And, yes, this industry is completely filled to the brim with absolute fucking lunatics all over the place. 0.99

00:07:35.200 So, yeah. 1.00

00:07:36.040 I get what you're saying.

00:07:37.080 So, what were you like before? 1.00

00:07:39.120 Like, if a woman said something stupid at your job, would you say it? 1.00

00:07:43.480 Yeah, I would dunk on her. 1.00

00:07:44.800 Yeah, for sure.

00:07:45.080 And you wouldn't get in trouble?

00:07:46.500 I mean...

00:07:47.100 Because, like...

00:07:47.700 I mean, because people will come at...

00:07:49.040 Well, first of all, it's a very male-oriented industry that I'm in.

00:07:53.220 Right?

00:07:54.140 But I just got to tell you, like, men in trades are all like me.

00:07:57.460 People think...

00:07:58.860 Because they're on the internet, and they're like, real men wouldn't do...

00:08:01.560 I'm like, look, every electrician, every, you know, every guy who's doing HVAC, every guy who's underneath, you know, a Chrysler with a wrench in his hand today, they're all like that.

00:08:14.860 They don't put up with... 0.98

00:08:15.880 They're like, shut up. 0.99

00:08:17.280 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:08:17.960 Yeah.

00:08:18.060 They don't put up with any of it.

00:08:19.560 So, you know, there's some simps.

00:08:21.340 Don't get me wrong.

00:08:22.140 Right.

00:08:22.240 I'm just saying, like, most of the time, no, they just don't put up with it.

00:08:27.300 Because I had a hard time in volleyball, because, like, I couldn't really be super vocal with my opinions, and when I was, it's like...

00:08:35.720 It was all women, though. 0.96

00:08:37.140 Oh, my God.

00:08:37.800 Yeah.

00:08:38.300 You know, I played in a tournament with trans people once? 0.98

00:08:41.440 Gross. 0.77

00:08:41.820 And this is why I don't feel bad at all for women that play with trans people, because I was the one who said something. 0.94

00:08:48.700 And do you know who yelled at me?

00:08:50.880 Who? 1.00

00:08:51.320 Fucking women. 1.00

00:08:52.240 Of course. 1.00

00:08:53.340 Of course.

00:08:54.460 It's like, so now I don't feel bad at all. 0.99

00:08:56.580 Get punched in the face. 0.99

00:08:57.820 I don't care. 1.00

00:08:58.320 Yeah, I don't care.

00:08:59.380 I don't care.

00:09:00.340 You will, like...

00:09:01.120 It's the only way for them to learn.

00:09:02.600 Yeah.

00:09:03.260 You know?

00:09:03.800 It's the only way for them to learn.

00:09:04.840 They're like, we didn't want this.

00:09:06.540 I'm like, yes, you did.

00:09:08.240 Yes, you did.

00:09:09.000 There was a little bit of social pressure.

00:09:10.400 You gave to it immediately.

00:09:11.860 So now they steal all your little medals, and they beat you in all your little events.

00:09:16.280 You know what I mean?

00:09:16.880 And we just get to kick back and laugh.

00:09:18.400 Because, like, when's the opposite ever going to happen?

00:09:20.240 It's never going to be a female to male who's going to go out there and clear the football team. 1.00

00:09:23.920 You know what I mean?

00:09:24.380 No.

00:09:24.760 We don't have to worry about it.

00:09:26.540 It's not even a big deal for us.

00:09:28.020 We're like, yeah, bring them in.

00:09:29.300 We'd love to beat up on them, right?

00:09:31.260 But women, they're the ones who got to worry about it. 1.00

00:09:34.800 And it's like, well, if you voted in, you voted in.

00:09:37.260 I know.

00:09:37.660 For every one Riley Gaines, there's like 10 women fighting to be beat up by dudes. 1.00

00:09:42.460 I don't feel bad.

00:09:43.600 I don't feel bad at all.

00:09:45.220 True.

00:09:46.580 Live by the sword, die by the sword.

00:09:48.140 That's right.

00:09:48.660 I do not care.

00:09:49.680 Yep.

00:09:50.040 Live by the vote, die by the vote.

00:09:51.780 That's right.

00:09:52.540 So you're like one of the most based conservatives, I would say.

00:09:56.520 Like, you're one of the only ones that call out, like, conservative feminism. 1.00

00:10:00.760 Did you notice that from the time you were, like, young?

00:10:03.740 Or is that something you kind of woke up to in the last few years?

00:10:07.520 I've seen it from day one in this industry.

00:10:09.880 I mean, even my very early debates with women who were supposed conservatives, it was like 0.87

00:10:16.200 that, where we were going back and forth and be like, you sound a lot more like a feminist 0.94

00:10:20.460 than you do a right-wing Christian conservative, or even a right-winger at all.

00:10:26.040 So, I mean, all the way back in the early days of the Crucible, we were basically doing

00:10:29.900 battle with the evil women of the internet. 0.99

00:10:32.140 And there's many of them.

00:10:34.740 And where, like, where were you at in the beginning?

00:10:37.740 Like, what forums?

00:10:39.740 Like...

00:10:39.940 Yeah, I'm not going to...

00:10:40.620 I don't even want to dive into it.

00:10:42.080 Oh, really?

00:10:42.540 Yeah.

00:10:42.920 Oh, okay.

00:10:43.520 Yep.

00:10:44.040 Don't even want to dive into it.

00:10:45.140 But you used to debate with, like, Destiny?

00:10:47.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:48.080 Destiny, all those guys.

00:10:49.400 The reason I don't...

00:10:50.580 There's nothing nefarious there.

00:10:51.880 Like, people can go find it all, but...

00:10:53.420 Yeah.

00:10:54.900 It's because I used to work with another group, right?

00:10:57.780 And I just don't want to give them any clout because it pisses them off, right?

00:11:01.100 That's really it.

00:11:03.080 Okay.

00:11:03.360 I just don't want to give them any clout because it pisses them off.

00:11:05.780 No, because I asked you before.

00:11:06.600 I'm like, oh, is that a bad topic?

00:11:08.140 Yeah.

00:11:08.260 I didn't mean to...

00:11:09.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:09.560 I just, like...

00:11:10.560 I'm sure it irritates them.

00:11:12.580 And so I just find...

00:11:14.820 Why did they turn on you or something?

00:11:16.200 Yeah, I'm not going to get into it.

00:11:17.220 Oh, okay.

00:11:17.780 So there was some whatever.

00:11:19.300 Yeah, there was some bad blood there.

00:11:20.720 But you were killing Destiny even in the early days.

00:11:23.220 Oh, yeah.

00:11:23.840 Yeah.

00:11:24.060 Going way, way back.

00:11:25.120 We've always been...

00:11:25.840 I mean, I don't know how many debates I've had with that guy.

00:11:29.260 Many.

00:11:30.040 You know what I mean?

00:11:30.780 And he is one of my favorite ones to tangle with on the left because he's not a complete, 1.00

00:11:34.480 you know, fucking idiot. 1.00

00:11:37.100 But yeah, we've... 1.00

00:11:38.600 I mean, and we'll tangle up, I'm sure, in the future, too.

00:11:41.160 Do you think that he's woken up at all?

00:11:44.640 No.

00:11:44.820 Like, post the divorce, post, like, getting a sexual...

00:11:48.960 No.

00:11:49.680 No, nothing.

00:11:50.560 No, nothing.

00:11:52.020 Live by the source.

00:11:53.160 It's completely unfazed by any of it.

00:11:56.200 But you have to understand, like, look at it from his perspective.

00:11:59.020 He doesn't have shame.

00:12:00.520 No.

00:12:01.120 Like, those guys, if people are going to pork your chick and you're okay with it, like, 0.95

00:12:04.880 how are you going to shame them?

00:12:06.300 Shame them with what?

00:12:07.960 I know, but they...

00:12:08.520 You're like...

00:12:09.140 Can you imagine, like, you go over to your friend's house and he's like, hey, come on

00:12:12.100 in, man, have a Coke.

00:12:12.960 And you sit down and you're like, how's it going?

00:12:14.140 And you just, like, you're hearing sex noise from the other room.

00:12:16.700 Like, what's going on? 1.00

00:12:17.700 Oh, you know, Fred, he's over here fucking my wife. 1.00

00:12:20.280 You know, he's just over here fucking my wife. 1.00

00:12:22.120 No big deal. 1.00

00:12:22.780 Don't worry about it.

00:12:23.380 You know what I mean?

00:12:23.940 So anyway, what do you want to do tonight?

00:12:25.160 It's like, if you don't feel shame by that, like, you're not going to shame a person like

00:12:31.040 that.

00:12:31.280 They don't care.

00:12:32.600 Well, I almost think they're kind of pragmatic because I talked to someone I know who's

00:12:38.560 like, he does the open relationships and stuff.

00:12:41.780 And the way he sees it is the conservative guys are getting cheated on anyways.

00:12:46.340 So he's like, I might as well get to do it too.

00:12:49.300 Like, like, think about it like this. 0.91

00:12:50.880 If a conservative guy gets cheated on, um, but he's loyal, who's more of a cuck?

00:12:56.480 Him or destiny?

00:12:57.120 Who's banged like half of conservative commentators? 0.85

00:13:00.080 No, he's not a cuck unless he knows.

00:13:02.960 Like, cuckoldry would require the, like, the requisite.

00:13:06.500 So, I mean, that comes from the cuckoo bird.

00:13:08.220 And the idea is that the, the kid is unknowingly, you're unknowingly raising the child because

00:13:14.580 you don't know.

00:13:15.620 That would be where the cuckoldry comes in. 0.97

00:13:17.440 The same thing would be, you knew that your chick was banging somebody else. 0.99

00:13:22.060 Otherwise, if you're just getting cheated on, like, that's just fucked up. 0.98

00:13:25.020 Like, you didn't, what did you do? 0.93

00:13:26.480 No, I, I'm not saying, like, I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't want to do that type of thing.

00:13:30.440 Right.

00:13:31.000 Obviously.

00:13:31.660 But like, the way they view it is some of them that I've spoken to in depth is like, 0.99

00:13:36.900 they're whores anyway. 1.00

00:13:37.660 Like, like the way they're going to view it is you guys are doing the same thing. 1.00

00:13:41.680 You just don't know it.

00:13:43.020 Like, your women are cheating anyway. 1.00

00:13:44.500 At least this way I get a rot.

00:13:46.580 Like, I mean, his roster is kind of impressive.

00:13:49.080 It's like Lauren Southern.

00:13:50.740 He banged Pixie's okay.

00:13:52.720 Really?

00:13:53.000 Like, is, is that, is that impressive?

00:13:56.460 I mean, these are a lot of, a lot of these types of women have like spent their whole 0.99

00:13:59.880 life with a mattress strapped to their back.

00:14:01.900 Right.

00:14:02.320 I just think most guys that find them like attractive.

00:14:04.900 I'm not, I'm not saying like it's good, whatever, but I'm saying like the guy who's getting

00:14:09.900 cheated on.

00:14:10.580 Here's what I've noticed though, from doing so many, especially live whatevers.

00:14:14.380 I've noticed this trend.

00:14:15.660 Uh, so you'll, I'll ask women like who's, who's the more attractive sex men or women? 0.76

00:14:20.480 And they're always like women. 1.00

00:14:21.620 Right.

00:14:22.000 And even the men say women.

00:14:23.220 Right.

00:14:23.620 And so I started thinking about it though.

00:14:25.080 And I was like, wait a second.

00:14:26.260 So I started reframing the question.

00:14:27.640 I'd be like, now let's say you couldn't get a boob job. 1.00

00:14:30.920 You couldn't wear any sort of cosmetic surgery done.

00:14:35.220 You couldn't have any butt lifts. 0.98

00:14:37.020 You couldn't have any facelifts.

00:14:38.140 You couldn't have any of that.

00:14:39.320 And it's just you, all women versus all men. 0.99

00:14:42.680 Who's the most attractive men?

00:14:43.960 And their answers are like night and day.

00:14:46.260 So I'm like, so basically if men just went, okay, we're just going to get a ton of cosmetic 0.58

00:14:51.980 surgery then and wear makeup all day, we would actually probably be the more attractive sex. 0.65

00:14:57.380 Probably.

00:14:57.720 Yeah.

00:14:57.920 Because I mean, you see it a little bit in Hollywood.

00:15:00.940 The men get Botox, veneers, they get hair transplant and it does transform the way they

00:15:05.780 look.

00:15:06.100 Yeah.

00:15:06.320 I mean, there's a reason women do it as much as we make fun of it. 1.00

00:15:09.940 Like, I mean, I've seen women. 0.96

00:15:11.200 Because it works.

00:15:11.840 They're always trying to capture youth.

00:15:13.380 Yeah.

00:15:13.620 And so, you know, they do.

00:15:15.140 But basically, I'm like, so basically you're all augmented and you're like, that makes us 0.98

00:15:20.460 hot, the, you know, the better looking sex. 0.86

00:15:22.640 And I'm like, what about without all those augmentations? 0.90

00:15:25.260 What do you look like then?

00:15:26.200 It's like, ah, it's not, it's not great.

00:15:28.140 You know what they look like?

00:15:29.120 They look like those chicks in those old women's voting or the alcohol prohibition posters. 0.92

00:15:36.500 Where they're like, lips like yours will not touch my, you know, lips who drink a beer

00:15:40.180 won't touch mine.

00:15:41.040 You look at those women and you're like, why would anybody's lips want to touch?

00:15:43.560 You would have to be drunk.

00:15:45.160 Like, you'd have to be drunk to want to touch those women.

00:15:48.580 But that's more akin to what they would actually look like.

00:15:51.180 So, yeah, I don't even believe the fair sex thing. 0.88

00:15:54.200 I don't even think so.

00:15:55.540 Like, basically, every single lie I'd always been told about women has over the years just

00:16:00.260 crumbled completely.

00:16:01.240 Until like 25, I would say women are more attractive. 1.00

00:16:04.520 I don't think so.

00:16:05.480 No.

00:16:05.780 I think if it was the same augmentation, you know what I mean?

00:16:09.000 Same augmentation available to both.

00:16:10.740 I mean, these women are getting boom jobs at 22. 1.00

00:16:12.640 Do you know what?

00:16:13.120 We forgot about steroids for men.

00:16:14.980 That really changes guys like physique when they go on like, yeah, I mean, yeah, they

00:16:19.940 like punch walls, but yeah, women cry when they're on there. 1.00

00:16:24.100 Like, you know, oh, I'm dieting.

00:16:26.180 I'm on my special diet. 0.98

00:16:27.340 And, you know, they go fucking ballistic crazy, too. 0.99

00:16:30.260 I know. 0.90

00:16:30.660 I never we never remember that.

00:16:32.520 Like, guys are right.

00:16:34.060 It up gets get roid rage.

00:16:35.240 Like, that's true.

00:16:36.000 Have you ever seen what it's like when a woman's dieting? 1.00

00:16:38.560 What her attitude's like when she's dieting? 1.00

00:16:40.640 They're like conniving, horrible bitches. 1.00

00:16:43.420 So you guys really solve all our problems. 1.00

00:16:45.580 They're like, you can't diet anymore.

00:16:47.400 Here's Ozempic.

00:16:48.680 You're flat. 0.99

00:16:49.640 Here's some fake boobs. 1.00

00:16:50.780 Here's some fake boobs. 1.00

00:16:51.940 You don't want to age. 0.98

00:16:52.820 Here's some.

00:16:53.260 Oh, you're having self-esteem issues. 0.99

00:16:54.980 What can we fucking do for you today? 0.99

00:16:57.640 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:16:58.160 And then the men and the men are like, well, what about prostate cancer?

00:17:01.500 We're like dying. 1.00

00:17:02.400 They're like, fuck you. 1.00

00:17:03.380 But here's a boner pill for those augmented women. 1.00

00:17:09.420 Yeah, we get old and our husbands don't want to screw us anymore. 1.00

00:17:13.000 They're like, here's Viagra. 0.87

00:17:14.300 It's his fault.

00:17:15.260 Yeah, just sit there.

00:17:16.160 Just sit there and hope.

00:17:17.560 So but I mean, all of it, it all starts to collapse actually very quickly.

00:17:21.780 Like even even in studio when you see these women with your eyes, your camera eyes versus 0.98

00:17:27.260 how they are, how they how they appear, I'm always telling guys, I'm like, listen, they

00:17:32.820 don't look like what you think they look like.

00:17:35.320 You know what I mean?

00:17:36.140 Even the outfits are designed specifically like pinch here, cinch there, take a little

00:17:41.660 bit off of there, makes me look a little thinner here.

00:17:44.420 Like all of it.

00:17:45.280 It's all conniving.

00:17:46.020 The corset.

00:17:46.580 Yeah, it's all conniving and it's all BS.

00:17:49.240 You know what I mean?

00:17:50.120 And it's like so yeah, just like basically all illusions that I might have ever had are completely

00:17:55.300 gone.

00:17:55.700 Did you see my catfish of the year?

00:17:58.600 No.

00:17:59.240 Like the thread.

00:18:00.560 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:18:01.500 Yeah.

00:18:02.520 I think I made it.

00:18:03.860 I forgot.

00:18:04.120 There's some major publication that I was in and I was like on it went so viral.

00:18:11.240 They got so mad all because I said that you don't look like your pictures.

00:18:15.840 Didn't call them ugly.

00:18:17.200 I didn't say you were bad looking.

00:18:19.980 Right.

00:18:20.840 I didn't even say I was better looking.

00:18:22.500 I just said you don't look like your pictures.

00:18:25.500 And some of those were so, you know who won?

00:18:27.760 Who? 0.98

00:18:28.220 That like crazy redheaded lady. 1.00

00:18:30.860 The libertarian. 0.99

00:18:31.160 The redheaded libertarian.

00:18:32.600 Yeah.

00:18:34.000 Yeah.

00:18:34.580 I saw the comparison contrast too.

00:18:36.620 And it's like you spend a little bit of work.

00:18:39.560 You spend a little time before you go into work working on what you look like before you

00:18:45.360 go to work here.

00:18:46.280 Yeah.

00:18:46.640 If your beauty is a full time job, you might just not look like that.

00:18:50.980 Yeah.

00:18:51.880 Yeah.

00:18:52.400 Agreed.

00:18:53.360 What's your favorite moment of your career?

00:18:55.820 Like, is there a debate that because you recently my favorite.

00:18:59.580 I think about my favorite for me.

00:19:01.400 Yeah.

00:19:01.960 Like just the one that I enjoyed.

00:19:04.260 Yeah.

00:19:04.400 Like what?

00:19:04.960 Who did you with Bevo?

00:19:06.240 With who?

00:19:06.920 Bevo.

00:19:07.620 Who's that?

00:19:08.260 Bevo the cuck.

00:19:09.320 He was.

00:19:09.800 Oh, man. 1.00

00:19:10.320 That was the funniest shit ever. 0.99

00:19:12.440 This guy, this OnlyFans chick was there with her boyfriend Bevo, who's like a famous TikToker 0.99

00:19:18.620 or was a famous TikToker.

00:19:20.440 And his whole claim to fame was that he swallowed food whole.

00:19:23.380 Okay.

00:19:23.700 And he came in and he was like, yeah, this is my OnlyFans girl.

00:19:26.460 I was like, you let your chick get stuffed by other dudes and you're just like, you know,

00:19:30.080 okay with that.

00:19:30.700 He's like, yeah.

00:19:31.340 What's wrong with that?

00:19:32.540 No, you ain't going to care when I live in my mansion in this.

00:19:34.760 And then he just started spurging out.

00:19:37.000 And it was really funny, right?

00:19:38.380 I didn't think anything of it.

00:19:39.400 But the next day he came out with this cope video where he was like, okay, so the whole

00:19:45.740 thing was a LARP and I'm not really a cuck, guys.

00:19:48.040 I don't, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:19:49.680 And that was all bullshit. 1.00

00:19:50.860 Turns out he really was. 1.00

00:19:52.440 And he was just coping.

00:19:53.820 You know what I mean?

00:19:54.460 He's like, my dad called me and said, hey, you can't be letting your chick, you know,

00:19:58.480 bang other guys. 0.97

00:20:02.480 Well, and if you're going to, okay, if you're going to be a cuck, like own it, at 0.91

00:20:06.400 least Destiny owns it, right?

00:20:08.840 I mean, like he's not going to do an apology video.

00:20:12.440 No, he doesn't care.

00:20:13.520 Yeah.

00:20:13.800 There's no shame at all.

00:20:15.040 They don't care.

00:20:15.620 No shame.

00:20:16.220 You know, and feminism works out really well for leftists, honestly. 1.00

00:20:19.360 I mean, leftist men love it better than anybody.

00:20:21.640 Sexual liberation from, they wouldn't get laid without it. 0.73

00:20:24.560 Like imagine there was the enforceability of what we had in the early 1900s where women 1.00

00:20:29.580 were just socially compelled to remain chaste until they were, until they were married.

00:20:34.700 Right.

00:20:35.420 Leftist men, have you ever seen what they look like? 1.00

00:20:37.940 They're not getting no fucking chicks. 1.00

00:20:40.000 They're not getting any. 1.00

00:20:41.260 They're not getting any.

00:20:41.860 So sexual liberation is like, they love it because it's the one way where they can be

00:20:46.820 the mistake, right?

00:20:48.640 They could be that woman's next mistake, you know? 0.99

00:20:52.100 And they leverage themselves to do it.

00:20:54.040 Yeah, which, oh my gosh.

00:20:55.580 And you called him out for the Lauren Southern stuff before that came out.

00:20:58.900 Long before it ever came out on you that that was going on.

00:21:01.460 They were like, that didn't happen.

00:21:03.100 It didn't happen, no.

00:21:04.040 And then like his friend comes out, 40 minute video, that happened.

00:21:08.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:10.700 So funny.

00:21:11.760 Yeah, it was so funny.

00:21:12.840 How was debating Tommy Lauren?

00:21:14.820 Well, she's insufferable. 1.00

00:21:17.620 Yeah.

00:21:17.760 And she's also, you know, very deep voice on Tommy Lauren, right?

00:21:23.740 Very masculine traits on her. 0.83

00:21:25.240 But also, like many of these conservative commentators, I really don't understand the female conservative 1.00

00:21:31.600 commentator sphere because they're really, really fucking stupid. 1.00

00:21:36.080 And I'm like, how is it that you keep getting brought on TV and then you realize, oh, I see. 1.00

00:21:42.380 It's because they think that men want to have sex with you. 1.00

00:21:44.520 And so they present you as, you know, a package where you say right wing thing plus man want 1.00

00:21:49.520 fuck. 1.00

00:21:49.860 And then, bam, we make money. 1.00

00:21:52.180 So once you realize that that's what the formula is, it's like, okay, that makes more sense 1.00

00:21:57.180 because they are really stupid. 1.00

00:22:00.000 And it's like, it's no wonder you don't see female conservatives in the debate sphere with 1.00

00:22:04.300 feminists because they would just get destroyed. 1.00

00:22:07.460 Feminists would just mangle them because they're so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:22:11.620 I mean, just ridiculously stupid. 1.00

00:22:13.280 Yeah, I think there was a point in that debate where you said, I can't remember what you said. 1.00

00:22:20.380 I just remember her face.

00:22:22.040 And it was just like, she had duties women have. 1.00

00:22:24.360 Oh, that was it.

00:22:25.740 It was so funny.

00:22:26.440 I was like, what are duties that women have towards men?

00:22:28.540 And she was like, well, I just think that men naturally want to provide for women.

00:22:33.220 I'm like, so wait. 1.00

00:22:34.080 So you think that I want to get you nice shit just to watch you have it? 0.99

00:22:38.420 You know, like that's what you're saying? 1.00

00:22:42.760 Great.

00:22:43.300 Well, that's fantastic.

00:22:44.480 Every man on earth wants to sign up for that.

00:22:46.920 And then if you say that to them, I'm like, well, you're not a real man.

00:22:50.020 Right. 0.99

00:22:50.260 A real man will buy me nice shit and then just watch how happy I am when I get it. 1.00

00:22:54.220 That's what real men do. 1.00

00:22:55.900 Yeah.

00:22:56.400 They're wild.

00:22:57.520 These women are wild and out, especially on the conservative side. 1.00

00:23:01.980 You know, in fact, a lot of the feminists, the outright outspoken feminists act more conservative 1.00

00:23:09.160 in their relationships with men than the conservative women do. 0.76

00:23:13.500 Yeah.

00:23:14.400 Significantly more submissive than the conservative counterparts, which is just insane to me.

00:23:21.160 I know I saw you on whatever and you're one of the few people that say that there's no

00:23:26.500 difference between conservative and liberal women. 1.00

00:23:28.960 Like you hear Charlie Kirk and he'll say like, you know, a woman's political opinions matter.

00:23:35.080 And I don't know what you found on whatever, but when I was doing interviews, I didn't really

00:23:40.140 see a difference.

00:23:41.020 I was like, you can just reprogram her after you.

00:23:43.860 Yeah.

00:23:44.180 Well, I mean, there's always going to be individuals who have good political takes who are women. 1.00

00:23:50.220 Like that's the case.

00:23:51.800 But you generally speaking, it's like a general statement.

00:23:54.880 It is true that you can't put a piece of paper between conservative female commentators 0.65

00:24:01.580 and feminist female commentators.

00:24:04.920 Like it's a piece of paper between them.

00:24:08.120 And that's what I found too.

00:24:10.300 And when I'm debating them, they always use the same talking points.

00:24:12.760 And instantly, you know, it's really fun to watch.

00:24:15.060 If you get two conservative females on a panel and there's like four liberal females and you 0.97

00:24:20.500 start tangling up with both sides and you watch the sisterhood form instantly, right?

00:24:26.820 Suddenly, they're not conservatives or women or liberals, right?

00:24:31.220 They're women. 1.00

00:24:32.120 And you're an evil, oppressive, patriarchal, lunatic man, right? 1.00

00:24:36.120 Instantly, all of the political divide, gone. 1.00

00:24:39.080 I saw that with Nala.

00:24:41.680 That was crazy.

00:24:43.340 All of the, oh my gosh, Michael, have you debated him yet?

00:24:47.540 He won't debate.

00:24:49.120 I've asked multiple times, requested multiple times live.

00:24:52.320 And I know that Brian or whatever has requested it multiple times.

00:24:55.660 The guy won't debate.

00:24:57.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:57.860 You know, it's really funny for the guy who always gets a lot of shit. 0.99

00:25:00.840 You only debate 304s. 1.00

00:25:02.520 I'm like, if the roster of men that I've debated is massive, right?

00:25:06.840 Like, the roster of men, most of my critics has debate zero, zero.

00:25:11.920 So it's like, I'm just equal about it, right? 1.00

00:25:14.700 I don't care if you're a fucking idiot who's a guy or a girl, right? 1.00

00:25:17.820 Both of you. 1.00

00:25:18.620 You're an equal opportunist.

00:25:19.600 Equal opportunist when it comes to that.

00:25:21.620 So with Knowles, though, yeah, I would be happy to.

00:25:24.780 Him, all of those guys on the Daily Wire, I was always happy to Tango, especially Klavan. 0.98

00:25:29.620 After I saw the Klavan interview you did, I was like, oh man, I want to tear into Klavan so bad on this.

00:25:34.540 Because they're just clueless.

00:25:36.120 They have no idea what they're talking about.

00:25:37.460 Yeah.

00:25:37.580 What are your biggest disagreements with them?

00:25:39.900 Like, what would you...

00:25:41.080 If I were to take like the Daily Wire and TPUSA and all of them?

00:25:44.440 If you were going to do you versus like 10 of them, what would be like the points you brought up?

00:25:50.680 Well, the first thing I would do is I would say, like, you guys publicly lie a lot about the idea of women in your organizations.

00:25:57.720 Because when I talk to the TPUSA people on the ground privately who are at universities, organizers, things like that, they're like, Andrew, I totally agree with everything you're saying.

00:26:06.720 These women are completely predatory. 1.00

00:26:08.860 They're a big problem to have in our organization. 0.97

00:26:11.520 You know what I mean?

00:26:12.080 I wish more people would tangle up with them.

00:26:14.060 They know it's an issue.

00:26:15.080 They just pretend it's not.

00:26:16.920 And why?

00:26:17.620 It's because they want a groundswell of support from conservative women. 1.00

00:26:21.760 That's what they're after, right?

00:26:23.720 The problem is they're not actually speaking to real conservative women's issues. 0.94

00:26:28.780 And real conservative women's issues are not... 1.00

00:26:31.080 It's not about the stupid idea of baking bread and wearing a fucking sundress. 1.00

00:26:35.540 And that's what it's become. 0.99

00:26:37.120 So, you know, the first thing I would dive into is, like, well, what are the women's issues between the left and the right, right, that you find makes the woman a right-winger or a left-winger? 0.51

00:26:49.860 What are these actual issues?

00:26:52.080 Where's the divide here?

00:26:53.420 I don't think they'd give me an answer.

00:26:55.560 I don't think they could actually give me an answer.

00:26:57.260 I think that they would end up saying a bunch of social issues that were all left-wing-based.

00:27:01.240 All of them.

00:27:03.240 And conservatives are even trying to fund IVF now.

00:27:07.120 Yeah.

00:27:07.740 Yeah.

00:27:08.700 It's so crazy.

00:27:09.680 I'll see Candace Owens tweeting about how, like, the Gardasil shot is making women infertile. 1.00

00:27:14.700 Yeah, I saw that tweet.

00:27:15.420 And I'm like, I don't know.

00:27:16.340 I think it might just be women having kids older. 1.00

00:27:19.280 Yeah.

00:27:19.520 And also getting too many STDs also makes you...

00:27:23.320 Yeah, it's not hard, but the thing is...

00:27:24.560 I'm like, when one out of three women had an STD, like...

00:27:28.600 And we all know it's higher, right?

00:27:30.620 If we're admitting to one out of three, it's half.

00:27:32.780 Yeah.

00:27:33.080 But, Pearl, here's a better one.

00:27:34.400 Why would conservative men advocate that women go to college knowing that it's, like, the most degenerate institute they could ever send women? 1.00

00:27:45.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:45.620 It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 1.00

00:27:47.340 What goes on at college? 1.00

00:27:49.060 A bunch of conservative stuff or a bunch of having sex, drinking, drugs, promiscuity?

00:27:54.920 Yeah. 0.78

00:27:54.940 That's what college is famous for.

00:27:58.120 It's not famous for rolling out highly educated women, that's for sure. 1.00

00:28:02.660 It's definitely famous for rolling out progressive women who had very highly promiscuous histories in college. 1.00

00:28:09.380 It's like, why would conservatives be advocating for that?

00:28:12.320 No, we need an educated populace.

00:28:14.840 Send all of our reproducing age women to a den of literal degeneracy. 1.00

00:28:21.740 That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard. 1.00

00:28:23.720 And I've never heard any of them get put to that question ever once. 1.00

00:28:26.480 Like, why do you think that's a good idea?

00:28:29.140 They have no idea.

00:28:30.960 Like, why are you advocating for that? 0.99

00:28:33.660 It's dumb. 0.98

00:28:34.320 It's just like when Lauren Chen was advocating for... 0.99

00:28:36.920 Oh, that was the best.

00:28:38.560 Advocating for secular marriage.

00:28:40.020 I'm like, why?

00:28:41.420 Advocating for what?

00:28:42.440 Secular marriage.

00:28:43.380 I'm like, why would you advocate for secular marriage?

00:28:46.000 What's the point of that?

00:28:47.160 She was like, actually, now that I think about it, I don't really know what the point of that is.

00:28:51.740 She disappeared.

00:28:52.940 Thank you for the super chat.

00:28:54.300 It says, keep up the good work.

00:28:55.920 Thank you, guys.

00:28:59.920 That was a hilarious debate.

00:29:02.740 She was like, spurging out.

00:29:04.180 Yeah, Jen. 0.98

00:29:05.120 Yeah.

00:29:06.300 All my enemies take down themselves.

00:29:08.440 Yeah, there was a...

00:29:11.500 You know what's really funny?

00:29:12.360 What I noticed is that all those people who went after Crowder on the divorce thing...

00:29:17.700 Crickets.

00:29:18.500 They all took themselves out.

00:29:20.280 Like, within a year of that, they all started just one by one taking themselves out.

00:29:24.260 All the ones who...

00:29:24.980 And so, I'm like, kind of waiting for the Candace fall, too, because she went pretty hard.

00:29:29.880 That was when I was like...

00:29:30.900 People in my chat ask me all the time, like, do you support Candace?

00:29:33.340 So, I'm like, nope.

00:29:35.340 Yeah.

00:29:35.580 I said, why?

00:29:35.940 And I was like, when this guy was getting divorced, we all knew he was under gag order. 1.00

00:29:42.200 He couldn't say shit. 0.99

00:29:43.100 He couldn't say anything to anybody, right? 1.00

00:29:45.620 And that's when they hit him.

00:29:47.300 When he couldn't defend himself. 0.82

00:29:48.740 It was like the worst cowardly, weaselly way to attack. 0.68

00:29:52.520 And she was right there.

00:29:53.480 And still is.

00:29:54.000 She doubles down on it, right? 0.98

00:29:55.260 She doubles down. 0.99

00:29:56.840 Oh, he's an abuser. 1.00

00:29:58.220 Shut up. 1.00

00:29:59.560 Shut up. 1.00

00:30:00.260 He's an abuser. 1.00

00:30:01.580 And then, oh, he talked to his wife in a bad way. 1.00

00:30:04.500 Bitch, are you going to tell your husband how he's allowed to talk to you? 1.00

00:30:08.160 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:30:09.660 Well, and you don't know what critical context is behind that. 1.00

00:30:13.060 Like, what if she had been a bitch for 36 hours before and he finally lost his mind for five seconds, 0.99

00:30:18.460 but that's what's filmed? 1.00

00:30:19.560 Right.

00:30:19.720 Like, you don't even...

00:30:20.420 These people didn't even have the context.

00:30:21.900 They were looking to bump him off and kind of jockey themselves into a little position there is what they were looking for.

00:30:28.660 It says, welcome.

00:30:29.640 What does that say?

00:30:30.760 I don't know.

00:30:31.200 Welcome to the Crucible crew.

00:30:32.860 Yeah.

00:30:33.100 Welcome to the Crucible crew.

00:30:34.680 Thanks.

00:30:34.840 Happy to see you guys there.

00:30:36.640 No.

00:30:36.920 Well, that's the thing with her. 1.00

00:30:38.940 I really used to be a fan of her, but I'm like, she's the same.

00:30:42.540 Like, the Crowder thing was so disappointing for me because I watched all of...

00:30:48.220 Because I feel like I came at this from a viewer and I just watched all the conservatives that I thought I really liked just pile on top of this guy who...

00:30:57.780 Like, what did he do?

00:30:58.460 He raised his voice at his wife. 0.98

00:31:00.360 That was it.

00:31:02.100 Like, none of you have raised your voices in your own home ever.

00:31:06.460 All of your fights, you look like an angel.

00:31:08.760 Really?

00:31:09.720 And I'm like, if you were really...

00:31:11.240 Like, now she's grifting Catholicism.

00:31:13.200 And I'm like, if you really meant the Catholicism stuff, like, you would have a retraction, an apology, and you wouldn't be telling a guy how to run his house.

00:31:21.180 It's also fine to change.

00:31:22.260 Oh, it's bigger now.

00:31:22.860 The grift lord is here.

00:31:24.100 Yes, the grift is here.

00:31:25.540 You must send super chat for the grift.

00:31:28.340 So, yeah, send it.

00:31:31.140 The other thing is, it's like, you know what?

00:31:33.240 What about this?

00:31:34.200 You could also just be like, you know what?

00:31:35.920 I was wrong.

00:31:37.140 I was wrong and called it wrong.

00:31:38.780 And you know what, Stephen?

00:31:39.960 Sorry about that.

00:31:41.240 You can just do that, too.

00:31:42.460 He's so nice, too.

00:31:43.120 Like, the guy would probably be like, you know what?

00:31:45.780 No problem.

00:31:46.760 You know what I mean?

00:31:47.040 But they don't even do that.

00:31:48.560 And now a lot of that stuff is public, right?

00:31:51.620 And they still won't do it.

00:31:53.220 And it's like, well, you know, Candace, all goodwill I might have had towards her the second that happened, right?

00:32:00.340 Yeah.

00:32:00.740 Gone. 0.97

00:32:01.780 I mean, she said he was an abusive monster. 0.94

00:32:04.680 I'm like, really? 0.97

00:32:05.420 Dutch said worse than that. 0.97

00:32:07.260 You know, and who knows what?

00:32:08.240 A chick like that connection, who knows what she did behind the scenes? 1.00

00:32:10.900 Right.

00:32:11.180 Who knows what they do behind the scenes? 1.00

00:32:13.220 You know, conniving, evil, backstabbing lunatics. 0.99

00:32:17.600 So, yeah. 1.00

00:32:19.040 Screw that.

00:32:20.060 Yeah.

00:32:20.440 So what would be your next point with them?

00:32:22.520 So the first part would be about college?

00:32:25.480 Yeah.

00:32:25.760 Well, I would.

00:32:26.080 The first point would be to ask what the distinctions, what they would consider the actual distinctions between the behaviors of conservative and liberal progressive women. 0.97

00:32:35.140 What are they?

00:32:35.860 I don't think they could give me many.

00:32:37.220 The second would be to ask why they send them to these dens of inequity when they know that that's a terrible idea.

00:32:42.860 And the third is why it is that they refuse to engage in any of the points of the red pill in order to either, A, refute them, right, or B, adopt them but give a Christian prescription correct for what it is.

00:32:58.380 Or, you know, see, just like blow them all out, right?

00:33:01.400 You have to either offer the refutation at some point or you're going to get dominated by the ideology.

00:33:09.720 These are supposed to be Christian conservative commentators. 1.00

00:33:12.020 The only one I've ever seen in the red pill doing battle with these guys is fucking me. 0.99

00:33:15.920 I've never seen anybody else doing it. 1.00

00:33:18.360 And the thing that's so funny is even though I fight with red pill guys constantly, I'm constantly debating with them, I get associated with the red pill because I won't take any shit from these feminist women. 0.99

00:33:28.300 That was going to be my next question. 0.99

00:33:29.940 If you consider yourself red pilled at all?

00:33:32.980 I think that descriptors from red pillers are often fine. 1.00

00:33:38.120 Like descriptions of what's going on is fine. 1.00

00:33:40.640 I think that most of the time they come out with prescriptors, they're terrible and stupid and kind of retarded. 1.00

00:33:46.520 So like when guys are saying, you know, sleep with multitudes of women to like experience a level up, I think that that's dumb. 1.00

00:33:53.320 I think if they're saying things like...

00:33:55.460 Do you think it works though?

00:33:56.860 No.

00:33:57.840 No, it doesn't work.

00:33:58.520 You don't think women treat men... 1.00

00:34:00.780 Who has access to that?

00:34:02.060 Like this teeny tiny percentage of men, how's that going to help men in general?

00:34:07.200 Well, I'm not talking about men in general.

00:34:08.980 I'm talking about like individual men.

00:34:11.240 Like if they're trying it and coming back and saying that this helped them in their life, like you can't really argue with that.

00:34:19.580 Yeah.

00:34:19.780 But I mean, you can say the same thing with heroin.

00:34:21.520 You can say the same thing with crack, cocaine, whatever you wanted.

00:34:24.200 You know, I tried cocaine.

00:34:25.240 It helped me in this portion of my life.

00:34:26.540 It's like I still wouldn't give it as a prescription for people to do.

00:34:29.440 You know, like when I was really down and out.

00:34:32.920 Here's an easy one.

00:34:33.700 When I was really down and out after a breakup, I would drink way too much.

00:34:37.620 That doesn't mean I would give that out as a prescription that men drink way too much after a breakup.

00:34:42.120 Yeah.

00:34:42.380 But I don't really see it as like they're telling men what to do.

00:34:46.160 I just think it's more like if you want to do this, this is how to do it.

00:34:49.600 Yeah, I agree.

00:34:50.300 Yeah.

00:34:50.540 But that would, again, be a descriptor instead of a prescriptor.

00:34:53.420 The guys who give it as a prescription or the pickup dating, dating artist community does this a lot.

00:34:58.400 Yeah.

00:34:58.640 Like live how I live.

00:34:59.960 Yeah.

00:34:59.980 Here's the various prescriptions or what society should be doing or things like this.

00:35:04.360 That's where they run afoul.

00:35:05.780 But a lot and you got to take some of it, some of the descriptors with a grain of salt too.

00:35:09.720 They're not always true.

00:35:10.720 The pair bonding studies aren't always true.

00:35:12.620 There's lots of stuff you got to be careful about.

00:35:14.140 I just think like anecdotally though, I think most men, like women just tend to abuse men 1.00

00:35:23.960 when they know that they're their only source of sex and that's where the problem comes in.

00:35:30.060 Well, what do you mean?

00:35:30.800 Like women just have a tendency to not, like, I don't know. 1.00

00:35:36.520 I see so many men where they're married and the wife knows that he doesn't cheat and she

00:35:41.700 just does not appreciate his loyalty.

00:35:44.140 And I see women where they think that the husband either could cheat or would cheat and they

00:35:49.520 just tend to treat him better.

00:35:50.920 Yeah.

00:35:51.100 Tend to behave better.

00:35:52.240 Yeah.

00:35:52.600 And I think that's like, that's what I was saying where as much as you don't like it,

00:35:56.880 I can see why.

00:35:58.400 Yeah.

00:35:58.520 But can there be that luminous, implicit threat without it ever even being stated?

00:36:03.400 Like, I think there can be.

00:36:04.720 And I think that those guys, a lot of those guys who can do that, they don't even bother

00:36:08.180 saying, what do they need to say it for?

00:36:10.920 It's well known that they can just do it.

00:36:13.080 You can't tell her.

00:36:13.720 Yeah.

00:36:14.080 You don't need to tell her.

00:36:15.140 Right.

00:36:15.400 It's not, it's not important.

00:36:17.040 So how is that?

00:36:18.420 But how is that a prescription?

00:36:19.520 There's such a small select few guys who can do that, who have.

00:36:24.200 Do you know what?

00:36:25.080 Yeah.

00:36:25.720 I think it's more common than you'd think.

00:36:28.200 I met this guy the other day.

00:36:29.980 He was like five, seven overweight.

00:36:32.420 He was showing me his rotation.

00:36:34.160 It was like five 22, 23 year old women. 0.95

00:36:37.020 Was he rich?

00:36:37.960 No.

00:36:38.720 He was just a good talker.

00:36:40.220 Like he was just easy to talk to.

00:36:43.220 So I don't know if it's like from what I've seen, the P ways, I don't think they're always 1.00

00:36:48.320 the most attractive, like a rich guys.

00:36:50.840 Like sometimes they're just charming.

00:36:52.180 But they're also con artists, a lot of them.

00:36:54.180 They're conning, right? 1.00

00:36:55.500 Like they make that shit up. 1.00

00:36:57.320 Like that guy, that guy, John Anthony Lifestyle, total fucking con artist, just made it all 1.00

00:37:01.220 up. 1.00

00:37:02.040 You know, I've got an 8,000 body. 1.00

00:37:04.100 He's like, shut up, dude. 0.89

00:37:04.940 And then the guy tells me, he's like, I've never met a pickup artist in the world who 0.98

00:37:08.740 hasn't done a tranny one or two.

00:37:10.700 And I'm like, I'm like, what, dude?

00:37:12.960 What?

00:37:13.440 He's like, yeah, I've never met one who hasn't.

00:37:15.220 I'm like, I'm pretty sure most of them don't. 0.99

00:37:18.100 So the thing is, is like a lot of those guys are full of shit about their belt mark. 0.99

00:37:22.340 I've gone to events. 0.99

00:37:23.740 Like I've seen them take the women home. 1.00

00:37:25.700 And a lot of times it's really not, it's not always the best looking guys.

00:37:29.960 They're just charming.

00:37:31.160 Like I don't, I've remained skeptical in this regard.

00:37:35.440 Yeah.

00:37:35.800 I mean, it's fine.

00:37:36.500 Like one of the PUA's I met in like Vega, I mean, he was not attractive at all.

00:37:41.140 I mean, some, some are right.

00:37:42.980 Like a lot of, like a good amount are, but there's enough that aren't good looking that

00:37:47.940 like you would, I'm surprised you would like, you would be surprised just from what I've

00:37:53.280 seen.

00:37:54.680 Yeah.

00:37:55.100 I mean, I'm sure that there's, again, there's going to be men who are, you know, are exceptions

00:37:59.740 to these rules.

00:38:00.960 You know what I mean?

00:38:01.460 But I don't think for the most part, um, it's available to most men to be, just be able

00:38:05.960 to go sleep with whatever type of woman they want. 0.97

00:38:08.020 I know.

00:38:08.580 It's just the challenge is there's just no incentive for men to be loyal today.

00:38:12.260 Like what do they get out of it?

00:38:14.320 Well, uh, family, the family.

00:38:17.560 We're having like one kid each.

00:38:19.640 That's, that's true.

00:38:20.560 Women aren't really having kids. 1.00

00:38:21.800 That's true.

00:38:22.500 But, but again, and like, there's no incentive.

00:38:25.340 Like the wives cheat all the time. 1.00

00:38:28.260 Yeah.

00:38:28.540 But there's also wives that don't cheat at all. 1.00

00:38:30.760 So the key, the key is this.

00:38:32.880 It's a matter of what you can verify that.

00:38:35.280 You don't think every single wife cheats, do you? 0.62

00:38:38.220 I don't think every single wife cheats, but like my point is if she does, there's a lot 0.98

00:38:43.120 of avenues where he wouldn't even know.

00:38:44.960 There's a lot of avenues the other way too.

00:38:47.040 I agree.

00:38:47.880 Right.

00:38:48.280 But I guess the point is, is like, I guess it is, it is true if we average all of the

00:38:52.920 children.

00:38:54.060 Yes.

00:38:54.460 It averages out to, you know, less than two per woman. 1.00

00:38:57.660 That's true.

00:38:58.380 That doesn't mean women are only having one kid. 0.99

00:39:01.320 You know, it just means that fewer women are having multiple kids and other women are 1.00

00:39:06.020 having zero kids.

00:39:07.120 So it's like, yeah, there's still men who I want to see them have a family, have multiple

00:39:12.400 children and have a loyal wife.

00:39:14.220 And yeah, I still think that's very possible.

00:39:16.240 It's like possible, but I don't, I don't know.

00:39:19.420 I just talking to young guys, I don't think, I think a lot of them don't really see that

00:39:24.020 as happening for them.

00:39:25.740 Well, I think a lot of times they're like, every trend is predicting it's not going to

00:39:30.020 get better.

00:39:30.480 It's going to get worse.

00:39:31.360 That's true.

00:39:31.860 And I agree that it'll get worse.

00:39:33.380 Like, yeah.

00:39:33.700 And so it's like, they could hope for that, but that's not a strategy, you know?

00:39:37.900 Well, it is a strategy though, when you start looking for what virtues are.

00:39:41.100 Like once men re reallocate their idea of feminine virtue or female virtue, what I've

00:39:48.220 noticed is that, you know, I get contacted by thousands of men all over the world.

00:39:52.560 Like once I reoriented for what I consider feminine virtues to be, I started being very 0.97

00:39:57.020 much more successful towards women who have held those virtues.

00:40:00.180 Yeah.

00:40:00.460 But it's for now, right?

00:40:01.940 I mean, you don't know how it's going to play out in 10 years and 20.

00:40:04.520 A lot of women are virtuous for a period of time, you know, you just know it's tough. 1.00

00:40:10.600 I think interviewing the men that were divorced kind of blackpilled me because, um, I would

00:40:18.540 just see women that in every, like on paper were better than me in every way. 0.98

00:40:22.820 They married younger, they were like more religious, you know, and I'm like, like, you

00:40:27.720 know, they married at 20 or whatever, um, Orthodox Catholic, whatever, whatever it is.

00:40:34.160 Right.

00:40:34.820 And they did like terrible, terrible things, like awful things.

00:40:38.780 And I'm like, wow, there's like, no, there's also a heavy societal influence telling them

00:40:43.920 that it's perfectly acceptable for them to do those things.

00:40:46.480 Yeah.

00:40:46.880 We had a society not very long ago.

00:40:48.660 We can look to where the incentives were the opposite, where if you did those things,

00:40:52.580 there was, uh, very much social punishments, which would come with them.

00:40:56.520 You know, single motherhood was considered, you were considered a pariah, you know, things

00:41:01.340 like that.

00:41:01.840 That's a, that's no joke.

00:41:03.160 Social enforcement works.

00:41:04.520 If you think that we could not propagandize from top down again for social enforcement

00:41:08.780 like we used to, I very much disagree.

00:41:11.480 Every single war, every single thing that people believe right now all comes from top

00:41:15.460 down propaganda.

00:41:16.380 And it's like, you could do the same thing when it came to the dynamics of family relationship,

00:41:21.120 but women would have to do social enforcement towards pariahs like they used to. 1.00

00:41:25.920 Yeah.

00:41:26.280 I don't think it would work.

00:41:27.640 Don't think so.

00:41:28.320 No.

00:41:28.800 You know, there's countries that it does work and is working.

00:41:32.100 How is it working?

00:41:33.100 Yeah.

00:41:33.160 Eastern block nations. 0.90

00:41:34.100 They've been promoting not only birth rates through tax incentives, but also the family

00:41:38.340 unit from the top down.

00:41:39.980 Younger men are reporting much happier levels when it comes to the marriages they're having

00:41:43.880 with younger women.

00:41:45.060 And women are acting in a more virtuous way, way less single moms. 1.00

00:41:48.100 There's a lot of good stuff coming out of that.

00:41:49.840 Yeah.

00:41:50.280 And maybe like you could argue that, but just, I don't think that the women on whatever are 0.99

00:41:58.100 really going to change what they're doing.

00:41:59.840 Right.

00:42:00.640 Well, not all the women, first of all, not all the women are whatever are bad.

00:42:04.760 Right.

00:42:05.100 But it, but there is, I agree.

00:42:06.820 Yeah.

00:42:07.040 Like there's a case selection of many who are right.

00:42:10.420 But a lot of them, there, there's actually a good amount of women who've gone through whatever 1.00

00:42:14.700 who are kind of based and kind of with it and understand that there's serious and significant

00:42:19.620 problems going on.

00:42:20.760 You know what I mean?

00:42:21.960 But there's just also the ones who you don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole and who are 1.00

00:42:26.520 fucking delusional and everything else. 0.98

00:42:28.040 And they come from all walks of life. 0.99

00:42:29.700 I don't think that it's unfixable though.

00:42:31.860 Like you have a more black pilled kind of idea than I do where you're just like, this

00:42:36.120 is unfixable. 0.98

00:42:37.240 Let it all burn to the ground.

00:42:38.660 I don't think so though.

00:42:39.760 Well, I just don't think we have as much as an impact as you might think.

00:42:44.040 Like, I don't think commentators can change trends.

00:42:46.980 I agree.

00:42:47.620 Yeah.

00:42:47.980 Well, so like, well, no, hang on.

00:42:49.520 Let me talk about that.

00:42:50.240 Some can, but we ain't going to.

00:42:55.300 Like some can at like the highest echelons.

00:42:59.000 Yeah.

00:42:59.380 I think some commentators are able to kind of shift.

00:43:02.680 Like I've seen memes change paradigms.

00:43:05.000 I've seen a single meme change the way people view a problem.

00:43:08.980 So, I mean, I know that that does work.

00:43:12.160 But when you're, when you're talking about changing the entire social trend of a country

00:43:17.400 which has been indoctrinated with feminine, feminism and communism for a hundred years and

00:43:21.660 has been indoctrinated with ideology, which is around women's liberation.

00:43:25.200 We're all born and bred and raised in it.

00:43:27.100 Yeah.

00:43:27.480 That's going to take a while.

00:43:28.660 That's not a fast, fast process.

00:43:31.020 But here's, here's my question to you though.

00:43:33.220 Like if we're under replacement rate, aren't they all going to die out anyway?

00:43:37.100 Yeah.

00:43:37.460 But there's no guarantee.

00:43:38.800 Like I've seen very Christian parents give birth to liberal kids.

00:43:42.440 Yeah.

00:43:42.680 It happens, but it's, but it's less likely.

00:43:45.460 When it comes to the women, I don't really see a difference. 0.98

00:43:48.040 If we look at the body count between, between kids who are raised in a Christian household

00:43:53.760 and the kids who are not, it is not even.

00:43:56.700 It's not even close.

00:43:57.200 Right.

00:43:57.240 But who has more incentive to lie?

00:43:59.920 Yeah.

00:44:00.320 But who is, who has more incentive to lie?

00:44:02.540 Like, you know, I don't really trust any, I don't trust any study that says like women 1.00

00:44:08.180 said they do this.

00:44:09.960 Yeah.

00:44:10.360 Like, come on.

00:44:11.380 But in this, but in the social paradigm, they both have the incentive to lie. 0.99

00:44:14.380 Like, no, because liberal women are still judged for being sluts, even if they're liberals. 1.00

00:44:19.020 Right. 0.98

00:44:19.220 But they're much more open.

00:44:20.580 They'll do it on camera.

00:44:22.140 Right.

00:44:22.600 So conservative women, I mean, they'll do it on camera too. 1.00

00:44:26.500 They'll just switch.

00:44:27.800 Yeah.

00:44:28.200 They like, they do it on camera too.

00:44:29.920 I think they're both would have the same incentive there because, uh, the idea of you

00:44:34.580 being the social pariah because you have a high body count affects them both.

00:44:37.300 But conservative women find the workarounds. 1.00

00:44:39.740 So they do it from the back door.

00:44:41.560 They'll blow and they won't count it as a body.

00:44:43.620 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:44.320 Progressive do progressive women do the same shit. 1.00

00:44:46.280 I've questioned both ends of that ideology, both on both sides, like progressive women 1.00

00:44:51.720 also do not want to give you their body count.

00:44:54.920 Progressive women also do not want you to know, you know, X, Y, Z, same as the conservatives, 1.00

00:44:59.820 that social pariah aspect still very much there.

00:45:02.820 And here's why those progressive women, they still want conservative guys. 1.00

00:45:06.300 They want Chad conservative guys.

00:45:08.160 I would just, from my experience, balance of probabilities, the conservative women lie 1.00

00:45:13.640 more because there's more incentive to, I would say they're more, I would say they're 1.00

00:45:18.500 more dishonest where the liberal women will say, yup, I'm a whore slut march. 1.00

00:45:23.500 And the conservative women put on a dress and say they're not, but they, you know, blow 1.00

00:45:28.460 half of conservative media.

00:45:29.960 I mean, that happens.

00:45:31.580 I just think that they both have an incentive to not tell the truth about the body count.

00:45:35.760 But I just, I don't.

00:45:36.660 And by the way, you can adjust for that in studies too.

00:45:38.660 You can actually make adjustments for that by asking questions in different ways.

00:45:43.480 And then if you have different sorts of answers, you can make comparisons on that and go, well,

00:45:48.080 wait.

00:45:48.400 So one still has to be more truthful than the other.

00:45:50.520 Yeah.

00:45:50.780 I just wouldn't take any study on body count seriously.

00:45:54.380 Why not?

00:45:54.680 Like if anything, because women lie about it. 1.00

00:45:57.500 So why do, like, why am I going to take their word for anything?

00:46:01.140 Yeah.

00:46:01.360 But I mean, like what I would prefer is age of first marriage number of kids I think 0.85

00:46:07.420 is better.

00:46:08.320 Christians have that better too.

00:46:09.760 Yeah.

00:46:10.260 A little bit.

00:46:11.100 But Gen Z, it's really not that different.

00:46:13.620 Like if you include boomer women in Gen X, yeah. 0.99

00:46:17.040 But if you, Gen Z, not really. 0.53

00:46:18.900 Yeah.

00:46:18.920 But what comes after Gen Z is Gen Alpha.

00:46:20.920 And that might be the most based, the most based ever generation that has ever lived.

00:46:27.260 We don't know yet.

00:46:28.520 Yeah.

00:46:29.140 I mean, it could be.

00:46:30.920 I mean, they were saying Gen X were going to be the worst degenerates ever.

00:46:33.680 And they're actually less degenerate than Gen Z. 0.94

00:46:36.260 Gen X or Gen Z? 0.85

00:46:36.560 Gen X.

00:46:37.080 Okay.

00:46:37.700 And they weren't the worst degenerates ever.

00:46:39.360 They became much more socially conservative than people thought.

00:46:42.540 Gen Z, on the other hand, and millennials especially, millennials became a bunch of leftist 1.00

00:46:47.100 scumbags. 0.98

00:46:47.460 But Gen Z, moving the paradigm back a little bit, it's very possible that Generation Alpha 0.98

00:46:52.280 is finally the first generation of actual alphas.

00:46:55.280 Right?

00:46:55.820 We're walking around.

00:46:56.560 It's possible.

00:46:57.480 I mean, I just see the sexes going further and further apart.

00:47:00.700 Good.

00:47:00.960 And I see...

00:47:02.360 That's a good thing.

00:47:04.040 I want that.

00:47:04.840 I want the division.

00:47:05.400 I thought you wanted the families.

00:47:06.980 I do want the families.

00:47:07.860 Yeah.

00:47:08.040 But the idea of the sexes being far apart is saying that we both have gender roles.

00:47:13.060 And those gender roles, I'm not going to settle for less than that gender role.

00:47:16.300 And neither are you.

00:47:17.700 And it's like, so one's going to have to break and it's going to be women first because 1.00

00:47:21.160 they need men. 1.00

00:47:21.800 Men don't need them. 1.00

00:47:22.900 Yeah.

00:47:23.260 But what I see is it becoming more monetized.

00:47:26.220 And you're already seeing that with all the OnlyFans models that you've debated, right?

00:47:30.800 It's just going to become more transactional.

00:47:33.200 That's what I would predict for the future.

00:47:34.980 I'm not saying I wish that, right?

00:47:37.360 But if I had to, like, guess what's going to happen in...

00:47:40.040 Like, do you really think in 10 years it's going to be any more conservative?

00:47:44.320 Yeah.

00:47:45.600 Yes, I do.

00:47:46.420 I don't think so.

00:47:47.220 Yeah.

00:47:47.500 I mean, I wouldn't have expected Trump to have gotten elected the second time either,

00:47:50.980 right?

00:47:51.580 Not on the heels of all the propaganda which had happened against him.

00:47:55.080 But, you know, the truth is, is like the pendulum, when it swings back right, is swinging

00:47:59.700 much harder back right.

00:48:01.840 So it used to be a little bit more like kind of even.

00:48:04.500 It would go to the left, then it would come back to the right, then it would go back to

00:48:07.320 the left, it would be about even.

00:48:08.380 Now it's ticking left and then it swings harder.

00:48:10.800 Then it goes back to the left and then it swings harder to the right.

00:48:13.840 So it's always swinging harder right.

00:48:16.860 If we look at states, states are beginning the process of outlawing coronography, right?

00:48:21.120 They're beginning the process of doing that.

00:48:22.860 But many of them successfully have done it.

00:48:25.680 And I think that that trend is going to be moving more and more and more towards that

00:48:29.740 until you get to a place it's like, eventually, people get sick of it.

00:48:34.400 They'll ban like porn, but they won't ban OnlyFans.

00:48:37.020 No, some of them are moving towards banning off.

00:48:38.660 I doubt it.

00:48:39.500 Come on.

00:48:40.260 I think it'll happen. 0.99

00:48:41.560 Women are going to die on the hill of like, yeah, come on. 1.00

00:48:44.800 Okay, but I will challenge this by saying this.

00:48:47.580 A few years ago, we had this conversation on abortion.

00:48:50.140 And you're like, man, that's never going to happen.

00:48:51.940 And women will never allow the, you know, for abortion to go, well. 1.00

00:48:56.720 Well, Roe versus Wade was overturned.

00:48:59.140 But plan B, like, don't you consider plan B abortion?

00:49:02.240 Yeah, the thing is, plan B.

00:49:03.340 And that's way up.

00:49:04.880 Like, if you look, if you could say maybe abortions have gone down a little bit,

00:49:08.840 but plan B's have gone up a lot.

00:49:10.640 Yeah, but it was still the first step in the mitigation process.

00:49:13.280 So it just starts, so all of this, politics, big, slow-moving machine.

00:49:19.020 You think number of kids is going to go up?

00:49:22.080 No.

00:49:22.200 Like, you think marriage is really going to go up?

00:49:23.480 Not anytime soon.

00:49:25.540 Yeah.

00:49:26.020 Not anytime soon.

00:49:26.940 But here's the thing.

00:49:27.880 The trend is population's going to go, still increase a little bit.

00:49:31.340 Then it's going to plateau.

00:49:32.620 And then the nosedive that we have in the years of pain that'll come from having an

00:49:36.340 elderly population that doesn't have enough young people to care for them is going to 1.00

00:49:39.620 be very brutal.

00:49:40.840 But I do think that necessarily, just like we've seen, you know, time and time again,

00:49:45.880 we even saw it in Soviet Russia, but the propaganda has to start or you don't have a society.

00:49:49.740 But I guess because my question would be, like, what incentive do the men, if we have 0.96

00:49:54.520 to go through, like, 20 years of bullshit to get a wife, like, what incentive do the men 0.98

00:49:59.100 have to not sleep around? 0.99

00:50:00.560 Well, I mean, in the current society, the only thing that would prevent them from that

00:50:04.840 would be the idea of virtue and religiosity.

00:50:07.740 Like, from a practical standpoint, if I'm looking at your view here, from the practical

00:50:12.340 standpoint, I would say nothing.

00:50:14.220 Yeah, that's my point.

00:50:15.320 I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think, like, they come to that conclusion because

00:50:20.540 it's pragmatic.

00:50:21.440 Yeah, I agree.

00:50:21.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:22.580 I agree.

00:50:22.880 It's very difficult to make a normative claim like, well, the normative claim, the moral

00:50:28.360 claim, that's easy, right?

00:50:29.420 But it's hard to make a more normalized claim, let's say, not normative, but normalized claim

00:50:34.100 of, well, you just really shouldn't sleep with a bunch of chicks because it'll have 1.00

00:50:38.580 a bad outcome.

00:50:39.360 It's like, yeah, that's, like, yeah, that's a harder, like, that's a harder line to tell.

00:50:46.140 But I do think you can...

00:50:47.700 It's like the married guys who did, like, the crowders of the world. 0.96

00:50:50.400 But I do think that you can make the great case, though, that it will ultimately have

00:50:55.080 a worse outcome for you as you get older.

00:50:58.260 That ultimately, it'll have a worse outcome on you as an individual.

00:51:01.420 It'll have a worse outcome on you as a man to not have children.

00:51:04.340 It'll have a worse outcome for you, ultimately.

00:51:06.800 I think I can demonstrate that pretty easily.

00:51:10.720 But I'm with you in the idea of, like, you know, yeah, trying to tell a bunch of 25-year-old 1.00

00:51:15.640 men not to go fuck everything that moves when it's willing to have sex with. 1.00

00:51:19.540 That seems like a tall order. 1.00

00:51:21.320 I get it.

00:51:22.380 But I don't think...

00:51:23.660 I don't think for practical purposes, ultimately, that the red pill is right on that.

00:51:29.640 I think that the Christian right is more correct on that, that the outcomes for most men would 0.88

00:51:33.760 be better, ultimately served, and in the short term for society, ultimately served by trying

00:51:39.940 to remove promiscuity in these behaviors.

00:51:42.060 But if you take, like, society out of it and go on, like, an individual basis, like,

00:51:47.040 if the men that are loyal aren't really getting loyalty back and they're getting divorced,

00:51:52.540 it's like, where...

00:51:53.980 Let me ask you a question. 0.99

00:51:55.060 Are Muslim women cheating? 1.00

00:51:56.740 What do they get? 0.99

00:51:58.000 Like, what do they get out of it?

00:52:00.180 Like, I'll tell you.

00:52:00.800 Yeah, in that case, you're right.

00:52:02.200 Yeah.

00:52:02.460 Right?

00:52:02.620 But what about Muslim nations? 0.92

00:52:03.760 Are there women cheating? 1.00

00:52:05.020 Yeah.

00:52:05.820 I lived in a very Muslim area.

00:52:07.680 They throw back...

00:52:08.440 No, no.

00:52:08.460 Nations.

00:52:09.040 Not, not, not...

00:52:09.580 I met men that were from those areas.

00:52:11.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:12.240 That's...

00:52:12.640 They try to...

00:52:13.760 No, no.

00:52:14.580 Yeah.

00:52:14.860 And I don't need you guys after me, so please don't come after me, but I'm not going to

00:52:18.580 lie, all right?

00:52:20.020 You guys... 0.99

00:52:20.760 Your women cheat just the same. 1.00

00:52:22.660 I've met...

00:52:23.400 When I was in London...

00:52:23.760 So you think women in Afghanistan are cheating as much as women in Los Angeles? 1.00

00:52:28.920 I've never been to Afghanistan.

00:52:30.880 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 I can't...

00:52:31.460 I can't say for sure.

00:52:32.780 But I have heard many stories from men that have visited those countries, and a lot of

00:52:38.920 the women... 1.00

00:52:39.120 Yeah, this is pure...

00:52:39.740 A lot of the women... 1.00

00:52:40.980 That's pure cope.

00:52:42.120 Listen, they're not.

00:52:42.960 It's not even the same universe of cheating.

00:52:45.200 I would say that this on your part is pure cope, because the truth is, is they're not...

00:52:50.780 Objectively, they're not...

00:52:51.660 The punishments are so severe, right?

00:52:54.880 And the fact that you have to have chaperones even for women to walk around. 1.00

00:52:58.360 They have to have male chaperones to walk them through A to B. 1.00

00:53:00.140 That's not all the Muslim countries, though.

00:53:01.880 I know.

00:53:02.320 It's not all of them.

00:53:03.020 Yeah.

00:53:03.120 But even in the ones that are more progressive, they're not cheating as much.

00:53:05.680 There's no way.

00:53:06.660 So it's giving a demonstration of like, well, wait, if there is social outcomes...

00:53:10.000 So there are ways to govern nations where there's social outcomes for these behaviors.

00:53:14.160 It doesn't even need to be that extreme.

00:53:16.140 That's way...

00:53:16.820 You don't even need to make it where they, you know, you have to wear a shoe fud, can't

00:53:20.880 show your...

00:53:21.440 We've had this before in this country.

00:53:23.660 It wasn't that long ago.

00:53:24.700 Right.

00:53:24.860 But like, we're operating in the country we have now.

00:53:27.960 You know what I mean?

00:53:28.700 Yeah.

00:53:28.840 And I just don't think there's any incentive with what we have now.

00:53:32.260 And not like what could be or what like, you know...

00:53:34.880 Yeah, but you know what the problem with that argument is, is like, Rome was full of a bunch 0.93

00:53:39.200 of pedestry and homosexuality and all sorts of gross things, right? 1.00

00:53:42.940 And it did reform eventually, right?

00:53:45.580 There was some destruction, which happened.

00:53:47.460 But yeah, like the virtues have to necessarily switch.

00:53:50.920 So you go from Rome to like 1800s America.

00:53:55.560 1800s America looks real, real straight-laced in comparison to Rome, right?

00:54:00.360 Like real straight-laced.

00:54:02.000 So it's like this idea of, oh, you can't put it back in the... 0.99

00:54:04.700 You can't put the shit back in the horse. 0.99

00:54:05.980 It's like, yeah, you kind of can. 1.00

00:54:07.500 Well, I'm not saying that you can't do it.

00:54:09.200 I'm saying I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon.

00:54:11.740 Not anytime soon.

00:54:12.420 Yeah.

00:54:12.800 When Gen Z women... 1.00

00:54:13.940 It's gradual.

00:54:14.100 Yeah.

00:54:14.420 It's a gradual process.

00:54:15.360 And so we have to live in the laws that are governed now.

00:54:19.460 And like, I think a lot of times what conservatives miss when they say like men shouldn't sleep

00:54:23.860 around, I'm like, well, you have to give them something for it.

00:54:26.460 And right now they're saying like, do this for nothing.

00:54:29.140 And it's just not a good sell.

00:54:30.840 Well, I would say...

00:54:31.720 Do this in hopes that one day we have Afghan laws.

00:54:34.540 Look, I agree.

00:54:35.380 Well, that's...

00:54:36.200 But that's not what I'm saying.

00:54:37.060 I'm not saying that hopefully one day we have Afghan laws. 1.00

00:54:40.120 I'm just pointing out that obviously we can look at the social conditions of nations and

00:54:45.420 the social conditions of societies to see where women are doing these things or not doing

00:54:49.260 these things.

00:54:49.880 Right.

00:54:50.140 The Western nations is where they're mostly being done.

00:54:52.440 That's the primary areas where sexual liberation is there. 1.00

00:54:55.940 And this is the primary problem.

00:54:58.500 So I would just say this, just like it took 80 years for us to get here, right?

00:55:04.820 It might take just as long to make the gradual transition the other direction.

00:55:09.580 You know what I mean?

00:55:10.280 But we have some things on our side.

00:55:11.600 But yeah, you're telling like in 80 years you'll get a wife.

00:55:14.560 No, no, I'm not saying in 80 years you'll get a wife.

00:55:16.480 But here's the thing, right?

00:55:17.600 It's like if we follow your prescription, let's just say...

00:55:21.440 Not a prescription.

00:55:22.100 Well, let's say it works.

00:55:22.640 But I'm saying all I'm asking is the question is what's in it for the guy.

00:55:26.300 Like if you're going to sell something, if you're going to sell a prescription, which

00:55:30.580 I don't do.

00:55:31.520 Yeah.

00:55:31.800 But I'm saying like you have to answer the question, what does he get?

00:55:34.880 I think that there are virtuous women that men can still get and that they can practically

00:55:39.920 get them and that they exist all over the place and there's millions of them.

00:55:43.180 Yeah.

00:55:43.380 But Aaron Clary's run the numbers on that.

00:55:45.380 That's not true.

00:55:46.040 Like if you calculate...

00:55:47.360 Yeah, I've read Aaron Clary.

00:55:48.080 So I've read Aaron Clary's book, right?

00:55:50.200 But what is...

00:55:51.240 Just so you know, right?

00:55:52.760 1% of 300 million, still 3 million.

00:55:55.260 Still a lot of women, right? 1.00

00:55:56.800 And his numbers are not saying 1% are marriageable.

00:55:59.840 And what he's giving is he's giving a spectrum, right?

00:56:03.220 He's saying, look, if you're willing to put up with X, there's going to be 50% of women 1.00

00:56:08.060 available for you.

00:56:08.760 If you're willing to put up with Y, there's 30%, right? 0.84

00:56:12.040 But if you want a chaste virgin, no tattoo, no trauma, it's a very small. 1.00

00:56:16.040 It's like, well, yeah, of course it is.

00:56:19.020 But that probably was...

00:56:20.500 It's probably always been the case in sexual liberation that if you wanted a chaste virgin 0.99

00:56:25.700 women, no tattoos, no trauma, that it's going to be a small percentage. 1.00

00:56:28.660 How much of the obscurity was even calculated in the study?

00:56:31.160 Chastity. 0.99

00:56:31.800 Virginity.

00:56:32.080 Yeah, it was...

00:56:33.120 That wasn't in there.

00:56:34.460 No?

00:56:34.860 No, he didn't calculate that.

00:56:36.400 It was debt.

00:56:37.640 It was tattoos.

00:56:38.860 That's true.

00:56:39.520 Yeah.

00:56:39.960 It was obesity.

00:56:41.440 It was...

00:56:42.720 I think those are the three main thing.

00:56:44.980 It was number of tattoos, debt, and obesity.

00:56:47.500 Oh, see?

00:56:48.200 Yeah.

00:56:48.360 I would have calculated it in chastity, too.

00:56:50.140 Yeah, I know.

00:56:50.600 But so he said 1% when you just calculate debt, obesity, and...

00:56:54.660 You know, so...

00:56:55.320 Are marriageable.

00:56:56.580 Yeah.

00:56:56.980 Yeah, from his metrics.

00:56:58.180 Yeah, so yeah, okay, if you want to pay off a girl's debt, cool. 0.62

00:57:02.440 But...

00:57:02.840 And then he didn't even include, like, sex work.

00:57:06.080 So, like, again, it's kind of asking the question, like, what's in it for the average

00:57:10.040 guy?

00:57:10.780 I think he did include chastity numbers, Clary did, in his book, now that I'm thinking

00:57:15.820 about it.

00:57:16.640 I don't think he did.

00:57:18.020 I could be wrong, but...

00:57:18.920 Yeah, I'll go back and take a look.

00:57:19.980 I have his book, so I'll take a look.

00:57:21.840 But either way, it doesn't matter.

00:57:23.640 Yeah, but like...

00:57:24.300 Ultimately, what I'm saying is, like...

00:57:26.020 So when we're looking at those metrics, you're looking at the metrics for marriageable, it's

00:57:31.660 like, well, let me ask you a question.

00:57:33.420 What makes you marriageable?

00:57:36.020 Nothing.

00:57:36.520 Nothing.

00:57:37.120 So nothing makes you marriageable?

00:57:39.280 No, no, no.

00:57:41.240 I mean, I have no debt, no tattoos.

00:57:43.440 I wish I was a little younger, but yeah.

00:57:45.900 So that's it?

00:57:46.380 No debt, no tattoos.

00:57:47.240 No debt, no tattoos?

00:57:49.240 I mean, I'm a nice person.

00:57:50.680 I can cook.

00:57:51.660 I'd be a good mom.

00:57:52.920 Yeah.

00:57:53.240 Yeah.

00:57:53.840 Yeah.

00:57:54.020 So I would say then that if those are the categories we're looking at, like body count's not even

00:57:58.880 in there, this and that.

00:58:01.240 When we're talking about debt, too, how much debt?

00:58:03.620 Like, if you come into a relationship with $10,000 in debt, I don't think Medicare. 0.99

00:58:07.920 I don't give a shit about $10,000. 0.96

00:58:09.240 I think the average is $25,000. 0.98

00:58:11.000 That's still not bad.

00:58:12.700 Honestly, $25,000 worth of debt is not that bad.

00:58:14.220 Yeah, but the average guy makes like $40,000 a year.

00:58:17.000 Yeah.

00:58:17.260 And the average amount of time it takes off to pay off $25,000 of debt if you're hyper-focused

00:58:21.220 on it, even if you're making $60,000 a year, is not bad.

00:58:23.800 But you could say, but like, this isn't a great sell, right?

00:58:25.940 Like, that's what I keep asking.

00:58:27.280 Like, what's in it for the guy?

00:58:28.760 Now you're saying, well, you can get a wife, but now you can't, you know. 0.86

00:58:32.240 So here's what I'm saying.

00:58:33.580 I'm saying, these things that you say are, you know, very high, like, don't do it because.

00:58:40.960 It's like, okay, so should I, let me ask you a question.

00:58:44.240 Should I pass on a woman, if she's, hang on, if she's very virtuous and she has, she'll 1.00

00:58:48.000 give me four children, she's super fertile because she has $20,000 in debt, should I pass 1.00

00:58:51.840 on her?

00:58:52.320 That's up to you.

00:58:53.240 Yeah, but.

00:58:53.680 I don't.

00:58:54.040 Right. 1.00

00:58:54.420 I don't say, I don't say shit or shit. 1.00

00:58:56.140 That's the thing about the red pill that gets me. 1.00

00:58:57.720 It's like.

00:58:58.400 But you keep switching it.

00:58:59.840 I'm not asking you.

00:59:01.020 I'm saying we got to, I'm not saying do it or don't do it.

00:59:03.340 I'm saying what's in it for the guy.

00:59:05.680 A virtuous woman.

00:59:07.120 And I'm saying on a balance of probabilities, they can't get that and you can't prove it.

00:59:12.740 Can't prove what?

00:59:13.640 How would you know if a woman's virtuous? 1.00

00:59:15.520 Yeah, but I mean, well, how do you know anything?

00:59:19.020 How?

00:59:20.000 But you're dodging the question.

00:59:21.320 Well, I'm not.

00:59:21.960 Like, how could you prove that?

00:59:25.580 Like, there's like the same way that you can prove anything.

00:59:28.020 Women's sex drive starts at like 16 and that's, I mean, I'm not even going to go and, you 1.00

00:59:32.840 know.

00:59:33.060 Yeah.

00:59:33.180 But when you're like, so the average woman loses her virginity at 16. 0.99

00:59:36.600 The average age of first marriage is like 28.

00:59:39.180 So when you're looking at probabilities, right?

00:59:41.740 This is what your your big thing is like.

00:59:43.780 Let's look at the average and the inks of probability.

00:59:46.820 No, I'm just I just wanted to answer the question.

00:59:49.300 What's in it for the guy?

00:59:50.600 Like, not not do it despite this.

00:59:52.800 That's what would be in it for the guy would be a virtuous woman that would give them children 1.00

00:59:56.740 and be a good mother to them.

00:59:57.960 That's that's that's what they would be moving towards.

01:00:01.200 Right.

01:00:01.800 But on average, they're probably not going to get that.

01:00:04.900 Yeah.

01:00:05.000 There's going to be less of them.

01:00:06.700 Yeah.

01:00:06.800 So there's there's all sorts of mitigation strategies.

01:00:09.320 One thing is a mitigation strategy is they get brides from elsewhere. 1.00

01:00:12.980 That seems to work out for some.

01:00:14.560 Oh, no.

01:00:15.380 Oh, no, no, no.

01:00:16.480 You can't do that.

01:00:17.640 No, you don't.

01:00:18.020 You don't like the passport bros?

01:00:19.540 No.

01:00:19.980 Do you know if you bring them back here that one of the worst.

01:00:22.980 No, no, you stay there.

01:00:24.000 You stay there.

01:00:24.520 Yeah.

01:00:24.620 But no guy wants to move to like in general, like women are 85 percent of travelers. 1.00

01:00:30.520 So men in general, they don't like to travel like most guys don't like if I had to sell

01:00:34.700 my brothers on move to another country to find a good woman.

01:00:37.940 OK, so let me get this.

01:00:38.720 Most people don't want to like uproot their whole life.

01:00:40.820 So let me get this right.

01:00:41.640 So then if I were to follow this, if I were to follow Pearl Davis is like the entire viewpoint

01:00:46.560 here, I just want to make sure I get it right.

01:00:48.180 I'll steal man it.

01:00:48.820 I'm going to steal man it.

01:00:49.660 Go on.

01:00:50.440 There's no virtuous women. 1.00

01:00:52.120 Right.

01:00:52.760 Basically any.

01:00:53.820 They didn't say none.

01:00:54.400 Well, OK.

01:00:55.080 Basically any.

01:00:55.900 There's very few virtuous women. 1.00

01:00:58.580 And you'd agree that's true.

01:01:00.180 I would agree that there's.

01:01:01.260 That's true.

01:01:02.220 That's like objectively there's not many.

01:01:04.660 Yeah.

01:01:04.860 I would agree that there's less than 50 percent.

01:01:07.400 Yes.

01:01:07.560 OK.

01:01:07.880 For sure.

01:01:08.200 OK.

01:01:08.500 OK.

01:01:08.740 So we're on the same.

01:01:09.840 We agree.

01:01:10.240 So because of that, men, right, aren't they're not going to be left with the choice of getting

01:01:15.680 virtuous women. 0.99

01:01:16.500 So they just kind of fuck whoever they feel like it because that's what's left to them. 1.00

01:01:21.760 I'm saying that's already what's happening. 0.99

01:01:24.920 Yeah, I know.

01:01:25.460 And I'm saying I'm saying if we want to.

01:01:27.380 But what should happen, though?

01:01:29.020 Well, I don't say what should happen.

01:01:30.760 Yeah, but I'm asking you.

01:01:31.440 I say what is.

01:01:33.100 Yeah.

01:01:33.320 So I say I can't.

01:01:35.460 I.

01:01:35.740 What do we do about that, though?

01:01:37.120 How does that how is that helpful?

01:01:38.280 But my question is, it is burning.

01:01:40.320 It's like, well, how do we put it out?

01:01:41.540 But it is burning.

01:01:42.580 But but the way you're like, you're acting as if I have any control over what the world

01:01:47.700 does.

01:01:48.220 I can't control that.

01:01:50.340 I can't.

01:01:51.080 I didn't make this society.

01:01:52.420 I can't control how the world is.

01:01:54.500 Right.

01:01:54.900 I get it.

01:01:55.460 So what I'm I just keep asking the question, what's in it for the man?

01:02:00.740 That would be what would be in it for men. 0.98

01:02:02.400 And I don't think I don't.

01:02:04.300 Right.

01:02:04.520 But I don't think there are enough virtuous women that that's going to be a good 1.00

01:02:08.100 selling point because it can't be verified for one.

01:02:11.900 And probability wise, it's less than 50 percent.

01:02:15.140 Well, what's the alternative to it, though?

01:02:17.480 Well, it's already what's happening.

01:02:18.720 It's why men are like bowing out. 0.90

01:02:20.120 The sexes are going apart. 0.90

01:02:21.480 They don't seem like they're happier because they're bowing out.

01:02:24.680 They seem like they're happier when they find these verses.

01:02:26.700 So let's just say I don't know.

01:02:27.640 I've met.

01:02:27.960 Let me just say it's.

01:02:28.600 I've met some older players.

01:02:30.160 Because they they really are not in a bad.

01:02:33.560 Yeah.

01:02:33.660 Most of the guys I talk to play the field when I talk to them privately.

01:02:36.580 They're like, I wish I.

01:02:38.280 Yeah, I get a different story.

01:02:39.420 But let's just assume I'm just going to assume the world.

01:02:41.720 Right.

01:02:41.960 But it's not like the guys married are in a better place overall.

01:02:47.300 I mean, so many men are like.

01:02:49.340 Like, why do you think we have phrases like happy wife, happy life?

01:02:52.420 Well, because of sitcoms.

01:02:53.280 Like if.

01:02:54.220 Because of sitcoms.

01:02:56.360 Right.

01:02:56.820 But again, if if the results were so much better, it would be an easy sell.

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.120 But let's just let's just say it's 15 percent, though.

01:03:03.220 Let's just say it's only 15 percent of women are virtuous. 1.00

01:03:06.040 OK.

01:03:06.560 OK.

01:03:06.960 Actually, let's just do 10.

01:03:08.340 Only 10 percent of women are virtuous. 1.00

01:03:10.660 You'd still recommend that women who wanted virtuous men marry those women. 0.93

01:03:14.740 Right.

01:03:16.660 Sure.

01:03:17.400 Yeah.

01:03:17.860 I mean, sure.

01:03:18.480 Yeah.

01:03:19.040 So you would still want them.

01:03:20.240 But why would you think that they should marry those women? 0.99

01:03:23.920 Well, it depends what they want.

01:03:25.400 Right.

01:03:26.340 I don't tell men how to live.

01:03:28.280 Right.

01:03:28.420 Right.

01:03:28.560 That's not my place.

01:03:29.500 Like if you as a man want to go off and be by yourself to your 50, I'm not going to tell

01:03:33.880 you that's wrong.

01:03:34.780 Why not?

01:03:35.420 What if it is?

01:03:37.060 Because I don't think it is.

01:03:38.660 Right.

01:03:39.140 So now I don't I don't I don't think it's wrong if like for a man to live life.

01:03:43.740 If he lives.

01:03:45.100 You're a feminist, Pearl. 1.00

01:03:46.640 Sure.

01:03:47.220 Wait, you're a feminist. 1.00

01:03:48.500 You're do as thou wilt, feminist Pearl. 1.00

01:03:50.520 Right.

01:03:50.880 But why?

01:03:51.620 Like, why am I to tell a man how to live? 1.00

01:03:53.680 Well, you know, I think I think I think how to live.

01:03:55.360 I think I think that's out of I think that's out of.

01:03:57.760 Yeah, I agree.

01:03:58.240 You tell the women how to live. 1.00

01:03:59.560 You tell those virtuous women they need to marry virtuous men. 0.99

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.200 And you think they'll listen.

01:04:03.360 Good luck.

01:04:04.060 Well, I mean, I think that they're more inclined to listen to women than men.

01:04:07.820 I don't think so.

01:04:09.020 I think so.

01:04:09.520 I don't I've I've watched women watch like abortion videos and not care. 1.00

01:04:13.980 But I mean, do and still get one after.

01:04:16.000 But do like do is thou wilt.

01:04:18.260 Right.

01:04:18.760 Is that's brutally like when you say I don't well, I don't care ultimately.

01:04:22.680 Right.

01:04:23.060 I don't I don't really care.

01:04:24.600 I'm like, you should care, though, because ultimately, no, I say you say those.

01:04:29.100 I said it's it's out of order for me to tell a guy how to live.

01:04:32.900 Right.

01:04:33.440 I think that's out of order.

01:04:34.640 Like, I don't think that's my place.

01:04:36.320 OK, but here's what I'm trying to explain.

01:04:37.980 Yeah.

01:04:38.260 If you think those 10 percent of women who are virtuous should marry like the 10 percent 1.00

01:04:42.880 or you should get married.

01:04:44.880 I said if they want to the women, if they I mean, they could be nuns if they want. 0.78

01:04:51.100 It's not my place.

01:04:52.260 Forget the nunnery. 1.00

01:04:53.340 But if they want to get married, they shouldn't marry shitbags. 1.00

01:04:55.940 They should marry virtuous men. 0.99

01:04:57.100 Right.

01:04:57.280 If that's what they want.

01:04:59.140 If that's what they want.

01:04:59.880 Yeah.

01:05:00.080 OK.

01:05:00.620 Yeah.

01:05:00.760 OK.

01:05:01.060 So, I mean, so if you're just diving into even if they're virtuous, you're not sure.

01:05:07.500 I'm like, even if they're virtuous, I'm not sure what they should do.

01:05:10.140 That's where I'm like, well, my again, it's not my place.

01:05:14.440 Like you have to live with the consequences of your actions.

01:05:17.640 And I just think a lot of YouTubers get like a God complex where they want to tell everyone

01:05:21.700 how to live.

01:05:22.920 And it's not my place.

01:05:24.620 It's your life.

01:05:26.600 Yeah.

01:05:26.700 But I mean, like it's if you you get to live life on your own terms.

01:05:30.240 Well, would you tell men like not to become trannies? 1.00

01:05:34.200 I mean, if they want to do that, I'd rather they didn't.

01:05:37.580 See, OK, there we go.

01:05:38.660 I'd rather not.

01:05:39.620 They didn't.

01:05:40.420 I'd rather not.

01:05:41.680 I don't really want to look at them.

01:05:43.040 But let's keep that combo.

01:05:45.360 OK, yeah, yeah.

01:05:46.300 Would you tell would you tell would you tell men like so you wouldn't make any recommendations 0.87

01:05:52.120 like what if a man was like, I want to be a homosexual and have 20 gay lovers?

01:05:56.720 Well, I I could give what I think is right and wrong.

01:06:01.620 And that's my personal opinion.

01:06:03.400 But that's that's not what I'm here to do.

01:06:05.360 I'm here to stick to the fact.

01:06:07.280 Got it.

01:06:07.660 Yeah.

01:06:07.960 But this is great.

01:06:08.740 Yeah.

01:06:09.100 Right.

01:06:09.260 So it's not a God complex.

01:06:10.680 So if you're saying I know what's right and I know what's wrong.

01:06:15.160 But according to my worldview.

01:06:17.400 Yeah.

01:06:17.640 So you would tailor that worldview, though, to the outcomes you wanted to see in society.

01:06:20.960 That's not a God complex.

01:06:22.560 That's just like picking your neighbors.

01:06:24.300 Right.

01:06:24.980 Right.

01:06:25.440 But I don't agree because, again, I think that every man has a right to live life on 0.88

01:06:31.160 his own terms.

01:06:32.020 And you're kind of dodging the question, which is what's in it for the men.

01:06:38.140 Yeah.

01:06:38.360 What's what is in it for him?

01:06:40.760 So I'll repeat it again.

01:06:42.840 What does a man get out of a out of which thing?

01:06:45.420 A marriage?

01:06:46.100 Yeah.

01:06:46.560 Yeah.

01:06:46.840 What he would get or what he'd be seeking for marriage would be a virtuous, non-vexing

01:06:51.420 wife who gave him children was a good mother. 0.99

01:06:53.360 But we agree that most men aren't going to get that.

01:06:56.200 Correct.

01:06:56.880 We would agree.

01:06:57.620 Because that's less than 50 percent.

01:06:59.660 Yes.

01:06:59.920 We would agree that that is the case.

01:07:01.580 And until conservatives can answer that question for men, it's going to keep going down.

01:07:06.600 I'm not saying it's good.

01:07:08.280 Didn't I just answer the question?

01:07:09.480 Oh, what?

01:07:10.820 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 So what what what is it that they're getting out of marriage or what is it that they should

01:07:15.140 be wanting and getting out of marriage?

01:07:16.220 Not should.

01:07:17.000 I said what.

01:07:17.660 But what are they getting now?

01:07:19.100 Oh, descriptively.

01:07:20.080 Yeah.

01:07:20.240 Yeah.

01:07:20.760 And that's my that's what I'm getting at.

01:07:23.060 Yeah.

01:07:23.200 But we already agree descriptively.

01:07:25.860 That's the case. 0.97

01:07:26.860 What I'm after is the next part where we're like, OK, so what the fuck are we going to 1.00

01:07:30.260 do about this shit? 1.00

01:07:31.760 That's what I'm at. 1.00

01:07:33.180 Well, you maybe you can start and change the laws and whatever.

01:07:37.420 I just don't see it happening in my lifetime.

01:07:40.720 Really?

01:07:41.240 You don't think so?

01:07:42.020 You don't think there's any possibility that people people can run a social movement to

01:07:46.240 change any of this stuff?

01:07:48.580 I don't see any evidence that it's going to happen.

01:07:51.600 Yeah.

01:07:52.020 I mean, the whole economy is run on the female dollar. 1.00

01:07:56.700 Women make it. 1.00

01:07:57.300 Like, I always look at it as women, you make eight dollars off of women and two dollars 1.00

01:08:01.320 off of men.

01:08:02.140 Yeah.

01:08:02.420 For like the pink tax?

01:08:04.240 The pink tax? 0.54

01:08:05.320 No, no.

01:08:05.800 Women make 80 percent of consumer buying decisions. 1.00

01:08:09.300 So there's so many industries that just depend off of women working. 1.00

01:08:12.660 Sure.

01:08:13.040 And women spending money. 1.00

01:08:14.720 And I just don't see it changing.

01:08:16.620 I hope, you know, I hope you're right.

01:08:18.400 It changed.

01:08:19.080 Well, I mean, I hope you're right.

01:08:20.700 How does the propaganda work, though, that gets all the women in the workforce against their 1.00

01:08:24.480 will?

01:08:25.040 All the propaganda can't work to get them out of the workforce?

01:08:27.060 Well, but I don't think it's propaganda like that.

01:08:29.720 I think it's what women want to do. 1.00

01:08:32.060 Women want to do what? 1.00

01:08:33.820 Women wanted to work. 1.00

01:08:35.120 Women didn't want to have kids. 1.00

01:08:36.260 No, they didn't want to work.

01:08:36.740 Definitely not.

01:08:37.560 And they definitely.

01:08:39.640 It seems like when I look at the regrets that I hear from women more than anything, 1.00

01:08:44.680 by the time they hit their 40s was that they did that shit and that they feel like 0.99

01:08:48.320 they were completely lied to about it. 0.99

01:08:49.920 Yeah, that's what they say.

01:08:51.400 But that's kind of like a fat person, like saying they want to lose weight, but they don't

01:08:55.600 take any steps to like make it happen.

01:08:57.780 They don't really want to lose weight.

01:08:58.700 I mean, that's common.

01:08:59.540 Like if women, you know, if women have like we get thousands of options on a dating app. 1.00

01:09:03.980 Yeah.

01:09:04.260 Right.

01:09:04.680 Yeah.

01:09:05.200 So it's like if you wanted to, you would.

01:09:07.560 But we don't.

01:09:08.540 So what does that tell you?

01:09:09.480 It's not what we want to do.

01:09:10.680 Well, sorry.

01:09:11.060 Wait.

01:09:11.620 Okay.

01:09:12.740 That doesn't follow either.

01:09:14.460 It is the case that I want to draw that I wish I was good at art.

01:09:18.660 Right.

01:09:19.340 But I don't really take any steps to get better at art.

01:09:21.960 But I still wish I was better at art.

01:09:24.240 But if you really wanted to be good at it, you'd take steps to do it.

01:09:28.200 Yeah.

01:09:28.480 Not necessarily.

01:09:29.540 Like that doesn't follow for everything.

01:09:31.380 You know what I mean?

01:09:31.760 Like people can envision that they would want a thing or regret not having the thing.

01:09:35.660 Right.

01:09:35.960 And then at the time not work towards it.

01:09:36.780 But how can you tell what people actually want to do and if they mean something?

01:09:41.740 They do it.

01:09:42.440 Right.

01:09:42.800 Like if someone really wants to lose weight, they take the steps to do it.

01:09:47.380 They hire a personal trainer, whatever they got to do.

01:09:50.160 People can say things.

01:09:51.560 Right.

01:09:51.880 But I watch what they do.

01:09:53.380 But hang on.

01:09:53.960 Putting something into action doesn't mean it's not a thing you don't want.

01:09:56.860 Like there's lots of people I know who wish that they were millionaires.

01:10:00.260 They're not taking actions to become millionaires, but they still wish they had a million bucks for sure.

01:10:04.860 And I don't disbelieve that they really wish they had a million bucks because they're not taking actual steps to get it.

01:10:11.640 Like that to me doesn't follow.

01:10:13.320 I do.

01:10:14.340 You just instantly think that they're just.

01:10:16.480 Yeah.

01:10:16.760 If you wanted to, you would.

01:10:18.120 If you wanted to, you would.

01:10:18.940 Yeah.

01:10:19.060 If you wanted to.

01:10:20.180 So that's that's how I view it.

01:10:21.940 I don't know.

01:10:22.340 I don't. 0.72

01:10:23.020 I'm not as black pulled and jaded.

01:10:25.020 I don't know.

01:10:25.620 I'm not jaded, but I just look at the way the trends are going.

01:10:28.680 And I don't I don't want to, like, lie or, you know, and I'm not I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying, like, to me, it would be lying if I said that I don't predict it's going to go this way.

01:10:40.980 It's going to get worse.

01:10:41.840 Yeah.

01:10:42.340 Yeah.

01:10:42.920 But but but I would look at a series of lots is like, again.

01:10:47.180 And so when I answer the question, I say, well, I agree with you.

01:10:50.020 Descriptively, you're correct.

01:10:51.040 This is bad.

01:10:51.900 This is the part of the red pill I agree with.

01:10:53.500 Descriptively, this is bad.

01:10:54.640 But then I get to the part where I'm like, yeah, I see the fire.

01:10:57.440 Look at that big tower.

01:10:58.280 It's on fire.

01:10:58.640 Yeah, I see it, too.

01:10:59.640 So anyway, hey, guys, you want to, like, help me put this out?

01:11:01.800 They're like, no, that's you can't just you can't just put out a fire, Andrew.

01:11:07.260 Right.

01:11:07.580 But would you help put it out if you knew you were going to die in the process?

01:11:11.400 And I think that's what a lot of conservative like, you know, men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce.

01:11:16.860 And the worst, the worst men that I saw actually had housewives. 0.94

01:11:20.760 Why didn't you tell them to gamble on non-virtuous women? 1.00

01:11:23.680 Right.

01:11:24.040 But you don't, women like virtuous right now. 1.00

01:11:26.920 You don't know what they're going to do in 10 years.

01:11:28.420 You don't know.

01:11:28.780 Like, I, one of my biggest donors for the documentary.

01:11:30.940 So I mean, just don't buy a new car because it could break down.

01:11:33.060 One of my biggest donors for the documentary, you know, he had a 30-year marriage.

01:11:37.600 Yeah.

01:11:37.900 And now he's going to work till he's dead because she decided she was virtuous.

01:11:41.540 She didn't cheat the whole time. 1.00

01:11:42.520 That's stupid. 1.00

01:11:43.160 It's like saying don't buy a car because it might break down. 1.00

01:11:45.160 I wouldn't say it's the same because if, if a car breaks down, like you can fix it, you can buy a new car, but you're not enslaved to the car for 18 years.

01:11:57.220 Well, you are.

01:11:57.720 If you bought it with debt, right?

01:12:00.220 You bought it with debt, you're still enslaved to it for X amount of time.

01:12:03.000 But the thing is, is like, look, if you're taking a look at risk mitigation, you're supposed to be looking at all these things.

01:12:09.620 You buy the new car, not knowing that it won't break down because it could, but you have enough assured factors that it's so likely won't that you feel okay doing it.

01:12:20.320 So like trying to create this guarantee of, well, you don't really know if they're faking virtue right at this moment.

01:12:25.260 It's like they could be, but you're supposed to take all the evidence into consideration and make a better choice on that.

01:12:30.720 But two kids is 40% of your income for 18 years.

01:12:33.760 I mean, that's a lot.

01:12:35.600 I mean, that, I mean, I, again, like nobody's answering the question, what's in it for the guy to take that risk?

01:12:41.940 Because if she, if she, she might be virtuous now.

01:12:44.840 But what risk?

01:12:45.640 Just the risk of marriage itself?

01:12:47.540 That's it?

01:12:47.900 Well, I, what I'm saying is the conservatives in general, they're not going to sell marriage to men, even with so-called like virtuous women, because they're not answering, they're not giving men enough of an incentive.

01:13:01.120 And it's easy to say like, we ought to do this.

01:13:03.420 I think you could maybe say that like, in your, like. 0.96

01:13:05.800 Well, I would just mitigate the shit out of everything. 0.74

01:13:07.420 So you can get a prenuptial agreement. 0.98

01:13:09.380 You can look for virtuous women. 1.00

01:13:10.760 But those can be thrown out.

01:13:11.860 You can hyper-focus on these things.

01:13:12.100 But those can be like thrown out.

01:13:13.220 And they rarely are.

01:13:14.140 And I talked to James Sexton live about it.

01:13:16.100 And he told me they rarely are.

01:13:17.440 Do the divorce lawyers have an incentive to be honest about that or to lie?

01:13:21.280 I don't think James Sexton was lying to me about it.

01:13:22.880 I really like James.

01:13:23.880 I have nothing against him.

01:13:24.320 Don't think he was lying to me about it.

01:13:24.780 I have nothing against him.

01:13:26.880 But with lawyers, I just am a bit skeptical.

01:13:30.940 And the reason being, they're mostly enforced.

01:13:34.680 Like I checked it out.

01:13:35.680 They're mostly enforced.

01:13:36.820 Prenuptial agreements are mostly enforced.

01:13:38.800 I mean, that's what they say, right?

01:13:41.640 But I just think there's a lot of incentive for divorce lawyers to not be overly honest

01:13:46.760 about that.

01:13:47.660 And the other thing that lawyers will tell you is once you have a kid, that's really

01:13:51.820 when it switches.

01:13:52.460 So you might be okay if you don't have a child.

01:13:55.880 But if you have a...

01:13:56.660 But now you're moving away from the descriptive truth into like Pearl's truth.

01:14:00.380 The descriptive truth and the facts on this one are not on your side.

01:14:04.220 Well, not when it comes to kids.

01:14:07.280 Because once you have a kid...

01:14:08.200 No, but when it comes to prenups...

01:14:09.200 Like prenups definitely work.

01:14:11.680 Right.

01:14:11.900 No, but you might say they're enforced.

01:14:13.760 But a lot of times the terms are changed.

01:14:15.880 That's not uncommon.

01:14:17.040 Sometimes the terms are changed.

01:14:18.300 That's true.

01:14:18.780 But most of the time, prenups are enforced and women who sign prenups are way less likely 1.00

01:14:24.780 to violate their duties in the marriage because they don't want to lose whatever the thing

01:14:28.820 is.

01:14:29.180 Right.

01:14:29.320 But you don't know how the women are going to be in the future, right? 1.00

01:14:33.000 So like there might be...

01:14:35.280 Like we're talking about Gen Z women, I would say young millennials that are really on the 0.97

01:14:39.420 market.

01:14:40.220 And you have no...

01:14:40.960 Like you can't say that they're less likely to...

01:14:43.220 Yeah, it would be millennials.

01:14:44.260 This is the first group of women that grew up on social media. 0.87

01:14:47.960 So if I had to predict it, I would guess that they would be worse because I don't think

01:14:53.940 social media has made relationships better.

01:14:55.620 Well, they're going to get married less.

01:14:58.160 Like altogether, marriage is decreasing.

01:15:00.360 Right.

01:15:00.620 But even the ones that do get married, they can download a dating app.

01:15:03.660 They can cheat on Instagram.

01:15:05.180 Sure.

01:15:06.140 So...

01:15:06.740 And I'm not saying if a man wants to get married, I would never talk him out of it.

01:15:09.780 Look, I think all of the incentives against secular marriage are in your favor. 1.00

01:15:13.400 Like I'm not disputing, descriptively, all of the ideas for secular marriage are definitely

01:15:21.300 in your favor, but they're not in your favor when it comes to religious marriage.

01:15:25.320 They're not in your favor if it is the case you keep the state out of it, got married by

01:15:28.500 the church, had a prenuptial agreement.

01:15:30.260 You can really protect yourself pretty well from most of these mitigating factors and get

01:15:35.100 that virtuous woman you're after.

01:15:36.460 Right.

01:15:36.640 But there's no God in divorce court.

01:15:38.320 And so the worst divorce that I saw was from an orthodot.

01:15:41.100 There's prenups in divorce court. 0.95

01:15:42.660 No, the worst divorce that I...

01:15:44.480 No, second...

01:15:45.440 No, they were both religious, actually.

01:15:48.680 One was...

01:15:49.640 The two worst divorce I saw, one was from the same church that Michael Knowles goes to.

01:15:53.420 How were they getting a divorce, though, if they got married through a party other than

01:15:57.740 the state?

01:15:58.280 They couldn't have gotten divorced.

01:15:59.400 Right.

01:15:59.640 But once you have a kid, you're entered into the...

01:16:01.960 Like once you have a child, you're entered into the state regardless.

01:16:06.720 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:07.060 So for custody, though.

01:16:08.540 Yeah.

01:16:08.960 And then for child support.

01:16:10.100 Correct.

01:16:10.500 But here's the thing that's interesting there.

01:16:12.820 You can still, right, mitigation for that in a prenuptial agreement, even when it comes

01:16:17.800 to child support.

01:16:18.520 And they're mostly enforced.

01:16:19.720 Right.

01:16:20.120 You can.

01:16:21.380 But again, what's the incentive?

01:16:23.800 Well, the incentive that men would be receiving on the end is, I don't believe, as you do, that

01:16:30.100 you just can't get married to women because there's no virtuous women. 1.00

01:16:34.380 But assuming even there's a very small percentage, I would still recommend that men find virtuous

01:16:39.420 women, get married to them, and the incentive that they get is families and this and that. 1.00

01:16:43.140 Do I think you can't mitigate all those risks?

01:16:45.080 I think you can and should.

01:16:46.340 Well, I'm in the business of predicting, right?

01:16:48.580 I like to predict where things are going.

01:16:50.700 And so when I do that, I have to put myself in someone else's shoes.

01:16:54.320 Okay.

01:16:54.420 And that's what I'm trying to get at when I keep asking you this question is, what's

01:16:59.680 in it for men?

01:17:01.120 And I don't think until conservatives can, like, if I saw a difference, and we said earlier,

01:17:06.180 there's no difference between liberal and conservative women. 1.00

01:17:08.140 I guess maybe I just don't understand what you're asking, because I feel like I keep giving

01:17:11.780 you a great answer.

01:17:13.060 But then you just re-ask the question.

01:17:15.040 So what is the question you're asking?

01:17:18.140 What are men getting out of marriage that would move them towards marriage, right? 0.61

01:17:21.820 Well, I just, I was trying to, I thought you would agree with me on this, actually.

01:17:25.480 So I was kind of, it's kind of interesting rubbing it back and forth.

01:17:28.520 Well, I agree with you on secular marriage.

01:17:30.320 I think that that's generally speaking, I wouldn't tell people to go and get secular marriage.

01:17:35.120 I think that that's probably a recipe for disaster.

01:17:37.560 But when I look at, all the data I look at shows me this.

01:17:40.460 Because if you're heavily religious, and you move towards a woman who has virtues, and you

01:17:45.640 can associate the virtues with things like chastity, other things like this, and then

01:17:49.260 you mitigate it by A, keeping the state out of it, and then B, having some type of prenuptial

01:17:55.200 agreement, even a relationship agreement, right?

01:17:58.020 Which are also enforceable.

01:17:59.860 But if even if you got married through the state, and you had a prenup, you're pretty,

01:18:03.440 I mean, you're way ahead of the curve on this.

01:18:05.800 Like women are way more inclined to behave and everything else if that's in place. 1.00

01:18:09.340 I totally agree that they're ahead of the curve, and they're way better than a guy that didn't

01:18:13.480 predict that at all.

01:18:15.020 I also agree that that's probably the better route to go if they're going to go down that

01:18:20.440 route.

01:18:20.960 I just don't think... 1.00

01:18:23.060 What's their incentive to fuck a bunch of different hoes? 1.00

01:18:25.540 Just that it's fun? 1.00

01:18:26.660 Yeah.

01:18:27.120 Like, it's just fun?

01:18:28.120 Come on.

01:18:28.880 So, I mean, it seems like all the incentives are in my side. 0.98

01:18:32.780 No, what's the incentive to have sex with a bunch of different women? 1.00

01:18:36.600 Hoes. 1.00

01:18:37.140 Yeah, because men like hot women. 1.00

01:18:39.900 Yeah, but I mean...

01:18:40.840 Luck, luck, 5,000.

01:18:41.760 So, I mean, so you're just saying that the incentive is like funsies, mees, mees, mees,

01:18:46.060 mees, mees, more funsies.

01:18:46.980 Yeah, I would say that's the incentive.

01:18:48.560 Yeah, but that's a terrible message ultimately.

01:18:51.000 Right, but I'm not saying it's...

01:18:51.860 Again, I'm in the business of predicting.

01:18:53.460 Yeah, but even on the predictive message, by the time these men are in their 30s and 40s,

01:18:58.640 they're not after funsies hoes. 1.00

01:19:00.660 That's not what most men are at at that age.

01:19:02.700 They want to settle down, have wife and kids, usually 10 years younger.

01:19:06.140 Yeah.

01:19:06.320 They want them 10 years younger. 1.00

01:19:07.460 So, it would make sense for them to fuck her out until she graduates. 1.00

01:19:11.700 Yeah, but even if I were to grant that, to just like, oh, 20 years, 20 years go sow 1.00

01:19:16.160 your wild notes.

01:19:17.000 If ultimately you're going to get married, you're still going to be moving towards woman 0.96

01:19:20.400 of virtue, prenup, all of these different conditions.

01:19:21.920 No, no, totally, totally.

01:19:22.920 I totally agree.

01:19:24.040 But, like, I was just asking, like, what's the...

01:19:26.200 I think there's better incentive for men to get married than there is to play the field,

01:19:29.740 for sure.

01:19:30.280 Your STDs are a big problem, right?

01:19:32.640 Huge problem. 1.00

01:19:33.800 Other problem is women are fucking crazy. 1.00

01:19:35.720 They baby trap you. 1.00

01:19:36.860 They do all kinds of crazy ass shit to you. 1.00

01:19:38.620 Right, but when you have men like Crowder who get the virgin wife with a no... 1.00

01:19:42.160 And I mean, we know.

01:19:43.720 I love Crowder, but, like, he got the picture-perfect wife that, like, they were on the cover of magazines,

01:19:49.400 whatever.

01:19:49.800 Yeah.

01:19:50.300 And she ruined his life.

01:19:51.540 Men are going to look at that and you're going to say, well, what's the difference?

01:19:54.480 The difference is tactical mistakes which were made.

01:19:57.140 The idea of prenuptial agreements.

01:19:58.920 Like, let's say this.

01:20:00.720 But it wasn't the prenup.

01:20:01.700 It was the leaked footage to the press, right?

01:20:03.720 That was probably the worst.

01:20:04.800 Like, the worst part about a divorce.

01:20:06.100 You can put in prenuptial agreements.

01:20:07.480 They can't release things to the press even.

01:20:09.160 Oh, yeah.

01:20:09.760 Like, that stopped...

01:20:10.800 It's not a joke.

01:20:12.120 You really can.

01:20:12.840 Ashley St. Clair was offered $10 million and she still couldn't shut up. 0.93

01:20:18.320 I bet you that it wasn't in the agreement.

01:20:20.500 I bet it wasn't in the agreement.

01:20:21.600 And if she violated it and Elon Musk enforced it, I bet you it would get enforced.

01:20:25.440 The thing is, it's like, high profile, high status men. 0.99

01:20:28.340 I've seen the types of agreements that they make with women and they are fucking insane. 1.00

01:20:32.900 They're 300 pages long, cover their whole empire, covers all sorts of things. 0.90

01:20:37.740 But even average guys can have a lawyer draft up a prenuptial agreement which will greatly

01:20:43.460 mitigate this damage which is done if a woman is faking virtue. 0.99

01:20:47.180 Can women fake virtue? 1.00

01:20:48.180 Of course, right?

01:20:49.640 Could they switch in 10 years? 1.00

01:20:50.980 Could they just like lose their shit, become lunatics? 1.00

01:20:52.920 All the time. 1.00

01:20:53.340 Yeah.

01:20:54.080 It's always a good idea to have that in.

01:20:56.060 And here's the thing I would ask you back.

01:20:58.120 Isn't it always better to have one than not?

01:21:00.680 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 It's like a gun, right?

01:21:01.960 No, as I said earlier, if they're going to go down that route, I totally think the

01:21:06.740 way...

01:21:07.100 But the men have every incentive to go down that route.

01:21:08.560 I think the way that you're describing, if they're going to go down that route...

01:21:13.300 They're going to go down that route.

01:21:14.520 I think if the incentives were there, more men would do it. 0.66

01:21:18.040 But I don't...

01:21:18.680 Well, men want kids. 1.00

01:21:20.520 So having kids with hoes is a recipe for disaster. 1.00

01:21:25.060 You know what I mean?

01:21:25.580 Having kids with a wife and having prenuptial agreements, these types of agreements in place,

01:21:31.840 the vetting for virtue in place, way better.

01:21:34.400 I mean, what are you going to do?

01:21:35.160 Just go impregnate some chick like Ashley St. Clair? 1.00

01:21:38.420 How'd that work?

01:21:39.120 It didn't work out good.

01:21:40.060 That was a terrible choice.

01:21:40.340 Terrible idea.

01:21:41.360 He has way too much money to not have a vetting process.

01:21:44.940 That's right.

01:21:46.480 I'm like, Elon, let me do it.

01:21:48.640 Exactly.

01:21:49.620 I'm like, I'll put the hoes right here. 1.00

01:21:51.720 And I'm like...

01:21:52.720 But I just don't think that the idea of like...

01:21:54.980 I'm not saying they should or they shouldn't.

01:21:56.720 I think if men want kids, they have a right to go do that. 1.00

01:21:59.840 And the way you're describing is great.

01:22:01.620 Yeah, but I think men do want kids, ultimately. 0.99

01:22:03.440 I think that if I had to predict where things are going to go, I think it's going to disappear.

01:22:09.440 Because especially from the middle class marriage, I think it's really just going to be for the elite and the rich.

01:22:14.600 Well, I'm going to do everything in my power in the interim time as the lowly YouTuber who I can't do much

01:22:20.760 to try to at least assist with the mitigation in the entire fall of the West, which I actually still love the West.

01:22:28.340 Yeah.

01:22:28.580 And I still love the country that I'm in.

01:22:31.020 Surprisingly, I still do.

01:22:32.400 Yeah.

01:22:32.600 And the people who are in it, I don't want to see men suffer horrid, you know, these kind of horrid fates which happen.

01:22:39.420 When there is actually a lot of mitigation they could do to take care of that.

01:22:42.620 And then when you say there's no selling point, it's like I hear the opposite.

01:22:45.980 When I see the guys who are like, oh, yeah, I spent my 20s and 30s doing drugs, getting high and banging chicks.

01:22:51.040 Every one of them ends up in front of that old rugged cross going, I wish I hadn't done that.

01:22:55.620 And I had instead focused on a family.

01:22:57.560 You say, oh, I've met some players who say the opposite.

01:23:00.100 Where are they?

01:23:00.840 I haven't met them.

01:23:01.640 They're not in my discourse.

01:23:03.040 Yeah, you have.

01:23:03.460 I mean, like Troy Francis.

01:23:05.680 He's a happy guy.

01:23:06.500 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:23:07.340 He's a nice guy.

01:23:07.900 He's an auto-sip femo.

01:23:09.260 He's a feminist. 1.00

01:23:10.460 He admitted to me live that he was absolutely a feminist. 0.95

01:23:14.900 It's like, yeah, I told you before, left-wing men, they're the primary beneficiaries of promiscuous women because they want that. 0.66

01:23:22.740 Well, I think that the only solution to feminism is more feminism. 1.00

01:23:25.460 When women start getting treated like men and having the consequences that men have, like that's when I think, and you might think otherwise, but I think that's the only way. 0.96

01:23:33.380 No, I agree with that.

01:23:34.260 Yeah.

01:23:34.620 I don't think that's more feminism, though. 1.00

01:23:36.140 I think it's just, I think that the idea of female accountability went from they're a witch, burn them, or commit accountability, to now like they can do no wrong, right? 0.96

01:23:49.600 And I think accountability is great and necessary, and it's the only way to fix, ultimately, what this issue is, is allowing accountability to happen.

01:23:58.180 But I don't think that that has anything to do with feminism. 1.00

01:24:00.300 I think it has to do with patriarchy.

01:24:02.540 Good patriarchies allow for female accountability, and we've just gotten away from that because of the, what, sympocalypse, I call it, sympademic, you call it. 0.97

01:24:11.860 Yeah.

01:24:12.500 So what would you, if you were in charge, what would you?

01:24:15.880 Oh, I don't make prescriptive statements.

01:24:17.560 I just look at things that are burning and say, let it, you know, I mean, that's what I, you're the prescriptor.

01:24:23.680 Yeah, so back to prescriptions.

01:24:25.320 I'm the describer, you're the prescriptor.

01:24:26.880 What was the, what was the question?

01:24:27.720 You're a man, that's what you should be doing, right?

01:24:29.020 That's right, that's right, that's fair.

01:24:30.360 What's the, what's the question?

01:24:31.740 So like, if you were in charge, like, what would you do?

01:24:34.040 I would start a top-down propaganda campaign.

01:24:36.300 If I was the unilateral, like, dictator of the United States government, I would start a top-down propaganda campaign and spend about 10% of my GDP on it,

01:24:44.860 tearing down every single billboard and erecting ones all over the nation, tearing down every bit of LGBTQ, pro-feminist, you know, ideology, anywhere I could find it, 0.99

01:24:53.760 replace it with the family unit everywhere you looked.

01:24:57.180 Do a mass promotion of this, right?

01:24:59.760 Everywhere they were starting when they were in their school years, and I would do it, I'd run it for 30 years,

01:25:04.820 and I guarantee you, a lot of this problem would begin to shift very, very, very quickly.

01:25:11.800 So that's the very first thing that I would start with.

01:25:15.180 If you wanted, like, more prescriptions than that, I would get rid of gay marriage, I would get rid of no-fault divorce, I would get rid of, I mean, 1.00

01:25:21.100 the amount of things that I would get rid of unilaterally day one would be overwhelming.

01:25:25.740 Would you ever, sorry, would you ever run for office?

01:25:31.600 No.

01:25:32.080 Because you actually have, like, a real background, unlike most YouTubers.

01:25:36.180 Yeah, I would, I would, I would do.

01:25:37.660 I think people would actually vote for you, you wouldn't run? 0.99

01:25:40.040 I would get shot. 0.98

01:25:41.600 I think, I really believe that I would. 0.99

01:25:44.640 I think I would.

01:25:45.600 Well, the thing is, is, like, I would show up to these debates, right?

01:25:50.300 Yeah.

01:25:50.660 Oh my God.

01:25:51.620 Yeah.

01:25:52.280 I think I would get very.

01:25:53.200 Could you run for the entertainment?

01:25:54.400 Yeah, I think I would get very popular very quickly, but the thing is, is, like, I think

01:26:00.280 I would get shot.

01:26:01.380 Really? 0.98

01:26:01.920 Yeah.

01:26:03.280 Yeah, and I also think that what I do right now is in some ways more effective.

01:26:07.780 The Crucible acts as, like, a special forces.

01:26:10.320 We can get where people aren't and deliver those messages to, like, Tommy, Lauren, and

01:26:14.340 the rest of them, which I agree.

01:26:16.200 Look, here's the thing for the audience, because this kind of turned into a debate.

01:26:19.680 We descriptively agree on a lot.

01:26:21.620 Yeah.

01:26:22.140 We really do.

01:26:22.860 It's the prescriptions that we start to, that's where we really start to deviate, where

01:26:27.200 I'm like, look, I think we can do some stuff to start to put this out, and that men collectively

01:26:31.700 have way more power than you think.

01:26:33.080 I'm blackpilled, you're right.

01:26:33.980 I know.

01:26:34.360 You're just blackpilled.

01:26:35.640 But we got to try to, we got to try to bring it along.

01:26:37.560 I don't know how you're not.

01:26:38.460 I'm not.

01:26:39.960 Because when I hear the feedback from thousands, from the thousands and thousands of people

01:26:46.220 contacting me, it's the opposite.

01:26:47.300 They're like, look, when I shifted my priority to start looking for the things I consider

01:26:52.380 virtue to be, I started to see that there's a whole different arena of women who actually 1.00

01:26:56.820 are available.

01:26:57.820 I didn't know what, you know, what I was even, what I was even really trying for.

01:27:01.680 So I think you're right.

01:27:03.100 It's a matter of goals.

01:27:03.940 What's a goal one?

01:27:04.680 I think, I think men do want to have a family.

01:27:06.480 And I don't think that playing the, playing the field is not very satisfying for very

01:27:10.300 long.

01:27:10.960 Like, oh.

01:27:12.000 Well, yeah, it's exhausting.

01:27:13.160 Yeah.

01:27:13.360 Yeah.

01:27:13.920 For what?

01:27:14.620 One year, two years?

01:27:15.800 And then, okay, that's old.

01:27:17.540 You know what I mean?

01:27:18.560 So, yeah, they tend to want to gravitate towards success and family, ultimately.

01:27:22.820 And this is every one of these major red pillars.

JustPearlyThings - May 10, 2025

304 Destroyer, ANDREW WILSON, Joins THE SITDOWN!

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