304 Destroyer, ANDREW WILSON, Joins THE SITDOWN!
Episode Stats
Length
1 hour and 27 minutes
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195.3898
Hate Speech Sentences
157
Summary
In this episode of The Sit Down, I have a special guest, Andrew Wilson, talk about how he got his start in the YouTube space and how he ended up being a full time entertainer. He also talks about what it's like being a woman in a male dominated industry.
Transcript
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And today, I have a special guest, 304 Destroyer, Andrew Wilson.
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I'm not sure about this jarred water, I'm not sure about this jarred water, though.
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Well, we like to be, like, environmentally friendly.
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I mean, it's such, like, a beautiful studio and this and that.
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I'm like, why am I drinking out of a mason jar?
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So, how did you get into this space of YouTube?
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So, were you just, like, a normal guy working, like...
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Well, I mean, I did robotics repair and industrial robotics maintenance.
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And, yeah, essentially, when COVID happened, they shut down the types of plants.
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And I started going on and wrecking people in various...
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So, I kept going back and wrecking more of them.
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So, because I've always wondered, you're so normal.
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You and Rachel both are just, like, the most normal people.
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And I find that people that didn't have real jobs before just go kind of nuts.
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Because they never have to deal with, like, being told no, ever.
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Like, I didn't know I'd be a great entertainer.
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And I think when it happens to people like me, you know, I was already in my late 30s.
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You know, working 40, 60, 70, 80-hour weeks, depending.
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And, yes, this industry is completely filled to the brim with absolute fucking lunatics all over the place.
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Like, if a woman said something stupid at your job, would you say it?
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Well, first of all, it's a very male-oriented industry that I'm in.
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But I just got to tell you, like, men in trades are all like me.
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Because they're on the internet, and they're like, real men wouldn't do...
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I'm like, look, every electrician, every, you know, every guy who's doing HVAC, every guy who's underneath, you know, a Chrysler with a wrench in his hand today, they're all like that.
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I'm just saying, like, most of the time, no, they just don't put up with it.
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Because I had a hard time in volleyball, because, like, I couldn't really be super vocal with my opinions, and when I was, it's like...
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You know, I played in a tournament with trans people once?
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And this is why I don't feel bad at all for women that play with trans people, because I was the one who said something.
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So now they steal all your little medals, and they beat you in all your little events.
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Because, like, when's the opposite ever going to happen?
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It's never going to be a female to male who's going to go out there and clear the football team.
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But women, they're the ones who got to worry about it.
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And it's like, well, if you voted in, you voted in.
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For every one Riley Gaines, there's like 10 women fighting to be beat up by dudes.
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So you're like one of the most based conservatives, I would say.
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Like, you're one of the only ones that call out, like, conservative feminism.
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Did you notice that from the time you were, like, young?
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Or is that something you kind of woke up to in the last few years?
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I mean, even my very early debates with women who were supposed conservatives, it was like
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that, where we were going back and forth and be like, you sound a lot more like a feminist
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than you do a right-wing Christian conservative, or even a right-winger at all.
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So, I mean, all the way back in the early days of the Crucible, we were basically doing
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And where, like, where were you at in the beginning?
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It's because I used to work with another group, right?
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And I just don't want to give them any clout because it pisses them off, right?
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I just don't want to give them any clout because it pisses them off.
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But you were killing Destiny even in the early days.
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I mean, I don't know how many debates I've had with that guy.
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And he is one of my favorite ones to tangle with on the left because he's not a complete,
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I mean, and we'll tangle up, I'm sure, in the future, too.
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Like, post the divorce, post, like, getting a sexual...
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But you have to understand, like, look at it from his perspective.
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Like, those guys, if people are going to pork your chick and you're okay with it, like,
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Can you imagine, like, you go over to your friend's house and he's like, hey, come on
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And you sit down and you're like, how's it going?
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And you just, like, you're hearing sex noise from the other room.
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Oh, you know, Fred, he's over here fucking my wife.
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It's like, if you don't feel shame by that, like, you're not going to shame a person like
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Well, I almost think they're kind of pragmatic because I talked to someone I know who's
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like, he does the open relationships and stuff.
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And the way he sees it is the conservative guys are getting cheated on anyways.
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So he's like, I might as well get to do it too.
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If a conservative guy gets cheated on, um, but he's loyal, who's more of a cuck?
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Who's banged like half of conservative commentators?
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Like, cuckoldry would require the, like, the requisite.
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And the idea is that the, the kid is unknowingly, you're unknowingly raising the child because
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The same thing would be, you knew that your chick was banging somebody else.
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Otherwise, if you're just getting cheated on, like, that's just fucked up.
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No, I, I'm not saying, like, I wouldn't, like, I wouldn't want to do that type of thing.
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But like, the way they view it is some of them that I've spoken to in depth is like,
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Like, like the way they're going to view it is you guys are doing the same thing.
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Like, I mean, his roster is kind of impressive.
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I mean, these are a lot of, a lot of these types of women have like spent their whole
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I just think most guys that find them like attractive.
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I'm not, I'm not saying like it's good, whatever, but I'm saying like the guy who's getting
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Here's what I've noticed though, from doing so many, especially live whatevers.
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Uh, so you'll, I'll ask women like who's, who's the more attractive sex men or women?
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I'd be like, now let's say you couldn't get a boob job.
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You couldn't wear any sort of cosmetic surgery done.
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So I'm like, so basically if men just went, okay, we're just going to get a ton of cosmetic
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surgery then and wear makeup all day, we would actually probably be the more attractive sex.
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Because I mean, you see it a little bit in Hollywood.
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The men get Botox, veneers, they get hair transplant and it does transform the way they
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I mean, there's a reason women do it as much as we make fun of it.
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But basically, I'm like, so basically you're all augmented and you're like, that makes us
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And I'm like, what about without all those augmentations?
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They look like those chicks in those old women's voting or the alcohol prohibition posters.
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Where they're like, lips like yours will not touch my, you know, lips who drink a beer
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You look at those women and you're like, why would anybody's lips want to touch?
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Like, you'd have to be drunk to want to touch those women.
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But that's more akin to what they would actually look like.
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So, yeah, I don't even believe the fair sex thing.
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Like, basically, every single lie I'd always been told about women has over the years just
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Until like 25, I would say women are more attractive.
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I think if it was the same augmentation, you know what I mean?
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I mean, these women are getting boom jobs at 22.
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That really changes guys like physique when they go on like, yeah, I mean, yeah, they
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like punch walls, but yeah, women cry when they're on there.
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And, you know, they go fucking ballistic crazy, too.
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Have you ever seen what it's like when a woman's dieting?
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And then the men and the men are like, well, what about prostate cancer?
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But here's a boner pill for those augmented women.
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Yeah, we get old and our husbands don't want to screw us anymore.
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So but I mean, all of it, it all starts to collapse actually very quickly.
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Like even even in studio when you see these women with your eyes, your camera eyes versus
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how they are, how they how they appear, I'm always telling guys, I'm like, listen, they
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Even the outfits are designed specifically like pinch here, cinch there, take a little
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bit off of there, makes me look a little thinner here.
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And it's like so yeah, just like basically all illusions that I might have ever had are completely
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There's some major publication that I was in and I was like on it went so viral.
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They got so mad all because I said that you don't look like your pictures.
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You spend a little time before you go into work working on what you look like before you
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If your beauty is a full time job, you might just not look like that.
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Like, is there a debate that because you recently my favorite.
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This guy, this OnlyFans chick was there with her boyfriend Bevo, who's like a famous TikToker
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And his whole claim to fame was that he swallowed food whole.
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And he came in and he was like, yeah, this is my OnlyFans girl.
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I was like, you let your chick get stuffed by other dudes and you're just like, you know,
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No, you ain't going to care when I live in my mansion in this.
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But the next day he came out with this cope video where he was like, okay, so the whole
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thing was a LARP and I'm not really a cuck, guys.
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I don't, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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He's like, my dad called me and said, hey, you can't be letting your chick, you know,
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Well, and if you're going to, okay, if you're going to be a cuck, like own it, at
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I mean, like he's not going to do an apology video.
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You know, and feminism works out really well for leftists, honestly.
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I mean, leftist men love it better than anybody.
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Sexual liberation from, they wouldn't get laid without it.
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Like imagine there was the enforceability of what we had in the early 1900s where women
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were just socially compelled to remain chaste until they were, until they were married.
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Leftist men, have you ever seen what they look like?
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So sexual liberation is like, they love it because it's the one way where they can be
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They could be that woman's next mistake, you know?
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And you called him out for the Lauren Southern stuff before that came out.
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Long before it ever came out on you that that was going on.
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And then like his friend comes out, 40 minute video, that happened.
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And she's also, you know, very deep voice on Tommy Lauren, right?
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But also, like many of these conservative commentators, I really don't understand the female conservative
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commentator sphere because they're really, really fucking stupid.
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And I'm like, how is it that you keep getting brought on TV and then you realize, oh, I see.
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It's because they think that men want to have sex with you.
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And so they present you as, you know, a package where you say right wing thing plus man want
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So once you realize that that's what the formula is, it's like, okay, that makes more sense
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And it's like, it's no wonder you don't see female conservatives in the debate sphere with
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feminists because they would just get destroyed.
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Feminists would just mangle them because they're so fucking stupid.
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Yeah, I think there was a point in that debate where you said, I can't remember what you said.
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And it was just like, she had duties women have.
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I was like, what are duties that women have towards men?
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And she was like, well, I just think that men naturally want to provide for women.
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So you think that I want to get you nice shit just to watch you have it?
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And then if you say that to them, I'm like, well, you're not a real man.
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A real man will buy me nice shit and then just watch how happy I am when I get it.
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These women are wild and out, especially on the conservative side.
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You know, in fact, a lot of the feminists, the outright outspoken feminists act more conservative
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in their relationships with men than the conservative women do.
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Significantly more submissive than the conservative counterparts, which is just insane to me.
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I know I saw you on whatever and you're one of the few people that say that there's no
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difference between conservative and liberal women.
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Like you hear Charlie Kirk and he'll say like, you know, a woman's political opinions matter.
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And I don't know what you found on whatever, but when I was doing interviews, I didn't really
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I was like, you can just reprogram her after you.
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Well, I mean, there's always going to be individuals who have good political takes who are women.
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But you generally speaking, it's like a general statement.
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It is true that you can't put a piece of paper between conservative female commentators
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And when I'm debating them, they always use the same talking points.
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And instantly, you know, it's really fun to watch.
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If you get two conservative females on a panel and there's like four liberal females and you
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start tangling up with both sides and you watch the sisterhood form instantly, right?
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Suddenly, they're not conservatives or women or liberals, right?
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And you're an evil, oppressive, patriarchal, lunatic man, right?
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All of the, oh my gosh, Michael, have you debated him yet?
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I've asked multiple times, requested multiple times live.
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And I know that Brian or whatever has requested it multiple times.
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You know, it's really funny for the guy who always gets a lot of shit.
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I'm like, if the roster of men that I've debated is massive, right?
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Like, the roster of men, most of my critics has debate zero, zero.
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I don't care if you're a fucking idiot who's a guy or a girl, right?
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So with Knowles, though, yeah, I would be happy to.
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Him, all of those guys on the Daily Wire, I was always happy to Tango, especially Klavan.
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After I saw the Klavan interview you did, I was like, oh man, I want to tear into Klavan so bad on this.
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If I were to take like the Daily Wire and TPUSA and all of them?
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If you were going to do you versus like 10 of them, what would be like the points you brought up?
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Well, the first thing I would do is I would say, like, you guys publicly lie a lot about the idea of women in your organizations.
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Because when I talk to the TPUSA people on the ground privately who are at universities, organizers, things like that, they're like, Andrew, I totally agree with everything you're saying.
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They're a big problem to have in our organization.
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It's because they want a groundswell of support from conservative women.
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The problem is they're not actually speaking to real conservative women's issues.
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And real conservative women's issues are not...
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It's not about the stupid idea of baking bread and wearing a fucking sundress.
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So, you know, the first thing I would dive into is, like, well, what are the women's issues between the left and the right, right, that you find makes the woman a right-winger or a left-winger?
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I don't think they could actually give me an answer.
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I think that they would end up saying a bunch of social issues that were all left-wing-based.
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And conservatives are even trying to fund IVF now.
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I'll see Candace Owens tweeting about how, like, the Gardasil shot is making women infertile.
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I think it might just be women having kids older.
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And also getting too many STDs also makes you...
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I'm like, when one out of three women had an STD, like...
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If we're admitting to one out of three, it's half.
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Why would conservative men advocate that women go to college knowing that it's, like, the most degenerate institute they could ever send women?
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A bunch of conservative stuff or a bunch of having sex, drinking, drugs, promiscuity?
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It's not famous for rolling out highly educated women, that's for sure.
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It's definitely famous for rolling out progressive women who had very highly promiscuous histories in college.
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It's like, why would conservatives be advocating for that?
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Send all of our reproducing age women to a den of literal degeneracy.
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And I've never heard any of them get put to that question ever once.
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It's just like when Lauren Chen was advocating for...
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I'm like, why would you advocate for secular marriage?
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She was like, actually, now that I think about it, I don't really know what the point of that is.
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What I noticed is that all those people who went after Crowder on the divorce thing...
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Like, within a year of that, they all started just one by one taking themselves out.
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And so, I'm like, kind of waiting for the Candace fall, too, because she went pretty hard.
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People in my chat ask me all the time, like, do you support Candace?
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And I was like, when this guy was getting divorced, we all knew he was under gag order.
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It was like the worst cowardly, weaselly way to attack.
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And then, oh, he talked to his wife in a bad way.
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Bitch, are you going to tell your husband how he's allowed to talk to you?
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Well, and you don't know what critical context is behind that.
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Like, what if she had been a bitch for 36 hours before and he finally lost his mind for five seconds,
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They were looking to bump him off and kind of jockey themselves into a little position there is what they were looking for.
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I really used to be a fan of her, but I'm like, she's the same.
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Like, the Crowder thing was so disappointing for me because I watched all of...
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Because I feel like I came at this from a viewer and I just watched all the conservatives that I thought I really liked just pile on top of this guy who...
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Like, none of you have raised your voices in your own home ever.
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And I'm like, if you really meant the Catholicism stuff, like, you would have a retraction, an apology, and you wouldn't be telling a guy how to run his house.
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Like, the guy would probably be like, you know what?
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And it's like, well, you know, Candace, all goodwill I might have had towards her the second that happened, right?
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A chick like that connection, who knows what she did behind the scenes?
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You know, conniving, evil, backstabbing lunatics.
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The first point would be to ask what the distinctions, what they would consider the actual distinctions between the behaviors of conservative and liberal progressive women.
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The second would be to ask why they send them to these dens of inequity when they know that that's a terrible idea.
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And the third is why it is that they refuse to engage in any of the points of the red pill in order to either, A, refute them, right, or B, adopt them but give a Christian prescription correct for what it is.
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Or, you know, see, just like blow them all out, right?
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You have to either offer the refutation at some point or you're going to get dominated by the ideology.
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These are supposed to be Christian conservative commentators.
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The only one I've ever seen in the red pill doing battle with these guys is fucking me.
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And the thing that's so funny is even though I fight with red pill guys constantly, I'm constantly debating with them, I get associated with the red pill because I won't take any shit from these feminist women.
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I think that descriptors from red pillers are often fine.
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I think that most of the time they come out with prescriptors, they're terrible and stupid and kind of retarded.
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So like when guys are saying, you know, sleep with multitudes of women to like experience a level up, I think that that's dumb.
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Like this teeny tiny percentage of men, how's that going to help men in general?
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Like if they're trying it and coming back and saying that this helped them in their life, like you can't really argue with that.
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But I mean, you can say the same thing with heroin.
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You can say the same thing with crack, cocaine, whatever you wanted.
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It's like I still wouldn't give it as a prescription for people to do.
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When I was really down and out after a breakup, I would drink way too much.
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That doesn't mean I would give that out as a prescription that men drink way too much after a breakup.
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But I don't really see it as like they're telling men what to do.
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I just think it's more like if you want to do this, this is how to do it.
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But that would, again, be a descriptor instead of a prescriptor.
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The guys who give it as a prescription or the pickup dating, dating artist community does this a lot.
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Here's the various prescriptions or what society should be doing or things like this.
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But a lot and you got to take some of it, some of the descriptors with a grain of salt too.
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There's lots of stuff you got to be careful about.
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I just think like anecdotally though, I think most men, like women just tend to abuse men
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when they know that they're their only source of sex and that's where the problem comes in.
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Like women just have a tendency to not, like, I don't know.
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I see so many men where they're married and the wife knows that he doesn't cheat and she
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And I see women where they think that the husband either could cheat or would cheat and they
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And I think that's like, that's what I was saying where as much as you don't like it,
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But can there be that luminous, implicit threat without it ever even being stated?
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And I think that those guys, a lot of those guys who can do that, they don't even bother
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There's such a small select few guys who can do that, who have.
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So I don't know if it's like from what I've seen, the P ways, I don't think they're always
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Like that guy, that guy, John Anthony Lifestyle, total fucking con artist, just made it all
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And then the guy tells me, he's like, I've never met a pickup artist in the world who
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He's like, yeah, I've never met one who hasn't.
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So the thing is, is like a lot of those guys are full of shit about their belt mark.
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And a lot of times it's really not, it's not always the best looking guys.
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Like I don't, I've remained skeptical in this regard.
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Like one of the PUA's I met in like Vega, I mean, he was not attractive at all.
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Like a lot of, like a good amount are, but there's enough that aren't good looking that
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like you would, I'm surprised you would like, you would be surprised just from what I've
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I mean, I'm sure that there's, again, there's going to be men who are, you know, are exceptions
00:38:01.460
But I don't think for the most part, um, it's available to most men to be, just be able
00:38:05.960
to go sleep with whatever type of woman they want.
00:38:08.580
It's just the challenge is there's just no incentive for men to be loyal today.
00:38:22.500
But, but again, and like, there's no incentive.
00:38:28.540
But there's also wives that don't cheat at all.
00:38:35.280
You don't think every single wife cheats, do you?
00:38:38.220
I don't think every single wife cheats, but like my point is if she does, there's a lot
00:38:48.280
But I guess the point is, is like, I guess it is, it is true if we average all of the
00:38:54.460
It averages out to, you know, less than two per woman.
00:38:58.380
That doesn't mean women are only having one kid.
00:39:01.320
You know, it just means that fewer women are having multiple kids and other women are
00:39:07.120
So it's like, yeah, there's still men who I want to see them have a family, have multiple
00:39:19.420
I just talking to young guys, I don't think, I think a lot of them don't really see that
00:39:25.740
Well, I think a lot of times they're like, every trend is predicting it's not going to
00:39:33.700
And so it's like, they could hope for that, but that's not a strategy, you know?
00:39:37.900
Well, it is a strategy though, when you start looking for what virtues are.
00:39:41.100
Like once men re reallocate their idea of feminine virtue or female virtue, what I've
00:39:48.220
noticed is that, you know, I get contacted by thousands of men all over the world.
00:39:52.560
Like once I reoriented for what I consider feminine virtues to be, I started being very
00:39:57.020
much more successful towards women who have held those virtues.
00:40:01.940
I mean, you don't know how it's going to play out in 10 years and 20.
00:40:04.520
A lot of women are virtuous for a period of time, you know, you just know it's tough.
00:40:10.600
I think interviewing the men that were divorced kind of blackpilled me because, um, I would
00:40:18.540
just see women that in every, like on paper were better than me in every way.
00:40:22.820
They married younger, they were like more religious, you know, and I'm like, like, you
00:40:27.720
know, they married at 20 or whatever, um, Orthodox Catholic, whatever, whatever it is.
00:40:34.820
And they did like terrible, terrible things, like awful things.
00:40:38.780
And I'm like, wow, there's like, no, there's also a heavy societal influence telling them
00:40:43.920
that it's perfectly acceptable for them to do those things.
00:40:48.660
We can look to where the incentives were the opposite, where if you did those things,
00:40:52.580
there was, uh, very much social punishments, which would come with them.
00:40:56.520
You know, single motherhood was considered, you were considered a pariah, you know, things
00:41:04.520
If you think that we could not propagandize from top down again for social enforcement
00:41:11.480
Every single war, every single thing that people believe right now all comes from top
00:41:16.380
And it's like, you could do the same thing when it came to the dynamics of family relationship,
00:41:21.120
but women would have to do social enforcement towards pariahs like they used to.
00:41:28.800
You know, there's countries that it does work and is working.
00:41:34.100
They've been promoting not only birth rates through tax incentives, but also the family
00:41:39.980
Younger men are reporting much happier levels when it comes to the marriages they're having
00:41:45.060
And women are acting in a more virtuous way, way less single moms.
00:41:48.100
There's a lot of good stuff coming out of that.
00:41:50.280
And maybe like you could argue that, but just, I don't think that the women on whatever are
00:42:00.640
Well, not all the women, first of all, not all the women are whatever are bad.
00:42:07.040
Like there's a case selection of many who are right.
00:42:10.420
But a lot of them, there, there's actually a good amount of women who've gone through whatever
00:42:14.700
who are kind of based and kind of with it and understand that there's serious and significant
00:42:21.960
But there's just also the ones who you don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole and who are
00:42:31.860
Like you have a more black pilled kind of idea than I do where you're just like, this
00:42:39.760
Well, I just don't think we have as much as an impact as you might think.
00:42:44.040
Like, I don't think commentators can change trends.
00:42:59.380
I think some commentators are able to kind of shift.
00:43:05.000
I've seen a single meme change the way people view a problem.
00:43:12.160
But when you're, when you're talking about changing the entire social trend of a country
00:43:17.400
which has been indoctrinated with feminine, feminism and communism for a hundred years and
00:43:21.660
has been indoctrinated with ideology, which is around women's liberation.
00:43:33.220
Like if we're under replacement rate, aren't they all going to die out anyway?
00:43:38.800
Like I've seen very Christian parents give birth to liberal kids.
00:43:45.460
When it comes to the women, I don't really see a difference.
00:43:48.040
If we look at the body count between, between kids who are raised in a Christian household
00:44:02.540
Like, you know, I don't really trust any, I don't trust any study that says like women
00:44:11.380
But in this, but in the social paradigm, they both have the incentive to lie.
00:44:14.380
Like, no, because liberal women are still judged for being sluts, even if they're liberals.
00:44:22.600
So conservative women, I mean, they'll do it on camera too.
00:44:29.920
I think they're both would have the same incentive there because, uh, the idea of you
00:44:34.580
being the social pariah because you have a high body count affects them both.
00:44:41.560
They'll blow and they won't count it as a body.
00:44:44.320
Progressive do progressive women do the same shit.
00:44:46.280
I've questioned both ends of that ideology, both on both sides, like progressive women
00:44:54.920
Progressive women also do not want you to know, you know, X, Y, Z, same as the conservatives,
00:44:59.820
that social pariah aspect still very much there.
00:45:02.820
And here's why those progressive women, they still want conservative guys.
00:45:08.160
I would just, from my experience, balance of probabilities, the conservative women lie
00:45:13.640
more because there's more incentive to, I would say they're more, I would say they're
00:45:18.500
more dishonest where the liberal women will say, yup, I'm a whore slut march.
00:45:23.500
And the conservative women put on a dress and say they're not, but they, you know, blow
00:45:31.580
I just think that they both have an incentive to not tell the truth about the body count.
00:45:36.660
And by the way, you can adjust for that in studies too.
00:45:38.660
You can actually make adjustments for that by asking questions in different ways.
00:45:43.480
And then if you have different sorts of answers, you can make comparisons on that and go, well,
00:45:48.400
So one still has to be more truthful than the other.
00:45:50.780
I just wouldn't take any study on body count seriously.
00:45:57.500
So why do, like, why am I going to take their word for anything?
00:46:01.360
But I mean, like what I would prefer is age of first marriage number of kids I think
00:46:13.620
Like if you include boomer women in Gen X, yeah.
00:46:20.920
And that might be the most based, the most based ever generation that has ever lived.
00:46:30.920
I mean, they were saying Gen X were going to be the worst degenerates ever.
00:46:33.680
And they're actually less degenerate than Gen Z.
00:46:39.360
They became much more socially conservative than people thought.
00:46:42.540
Gen Z, on the other hand, and millennials especially, millennials became a bunch of leftist
00:46:47.460
But Gen Z, moving the paradigm back a little bit, it's very possible that Generation Alpha
00:46:52.280
is finally the first generation of actual alphas.
00:46:57.480
I mean, I just see the sexes going further and further apart.
00:47:08.040
But the idea of the sexes being far apart is saying that we both have gender roles.
00:47:13.060
And those gender roles, I'm not going to settle for less than that gender role.
00:47:17.700
And it's like, so one's going to have to break and it's going to be women first because
00:47:26.220
And you're already seeing that with all the OnlyFans models that you've debated, right?
00:47:37.360
But if I had to, like, guess what's going to happen in...
00:47:40.040
Like, do you really think in 10 years it's going to be any more conservative?
00:47:47.500
I mean, I wouldn't have expected Trump to have gotten elected the second time either,
00:47:51.580
Not on the heels of all the propaganda which had happened against him.
00:47:55.080
But, you know, the truth is, is like the pendulum, when it swings back right, is swinging
00:48:01.840
So it used to be a little bit more like kind of even.
00:48:04.500
It would go to the left, then it would come back to the right, then it would go back to
00:48:08.380
Now it's ticking left and then it swings harder.
00:48:10.800
Then it goes back to the left and then it swings harder to the right.
00:48:16.860
If we look at states, states are beginning the process of outlawing coronography, right?
00:48:25.680
And I think that that trend is going to be moving more and more and more towards that
00:48:29.740
until you get to a place it's like, eventually, people get sick of it.
00:48:34.400
They'll ban like porn, but they won't ban OnlyFans.
00:48:37.020
No, some of them are moving towards banning off.
00:48:41.560
Women are going to die on the hill of like, yeah, come on.
00:48:44.800
Okay, but I will challenge this by saying this.
00:48:47.580
A few years ago, we had this conversation on abortion.
00:48:50.140
And you're like, man, that's never going to happen.
00:48:51.940
And women will never allow the, you know, for abortion to go, well.
00:48:59.140
But plan B, like, don't you consider plan B abortion?
00:49:04.880
Like, if you look, if you could say maybe abortions have gone down a little bit,
00:49:10.640
Yeah, but it was still the first step in the mitigation process.
00:49:13.280
So it just starts, so all of this, politics, big, slow-moving machine.
00:49:22.200
Like, you think marriage is really going to go up?
00:49:27.880
The trend is population's going to go, still increase a little bit.
00:49:32.620
And then the nosedive that we have in the years of pain that'll come from having an
00:49:36.340
elderly population that doesn't have enough young people to care for them is going to
00:49:40.840
But I do think that necessarily, just like we've seen, you know, time and time again,
00:49:45.880
we even saw it in Soviet Russia, but the propaganda has to start or you don't have a society.
00:49:49.740
But I guess because my question would be, like, what incentive do the men, if we have
00:49:54.520
to go through, like, 20 years of bullshit to get a wife, like, what incentive do the men
00:50:00.560
Well, I mean, in the current society, the only thing that would prevent them from that
00:50:07.740
Like, from a practical standpoint, if I'm looking at your view here, from the practical
00:50:15.320
I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think, like, they come to that conclusion because
00:50:22.880
It's very difficult to make a normative claim like, well, the normative claim, the moral
00:50:29.420
But it's hard to make a more normalized claim, let's say, not normative, but normalized claim
00:50:34.100
of, well, you just really shouldn't sleep with a bunch of chicks because it'll have
00:50:39.360
It's like, yeah, that's, like, yeah, that's a harder, like, that's a harder line to tell.
00:50:47.700
It's like the married guys who did, like, the crowders of the world.
00:50:50.400
But I do think that you can make the great case, though, that it will ultimately have
00:50:58.260
That ultimately, it'll have a worse outcome on you as an individual.
00:51:01.420
It'll have a worse outcome on you as a man to not have children.
00:51:04.340
It'll have a worse outcome for you, ultimately.
00:51:10.720
But I'm with you in the idea of, like, you know, yeah, trying to tell a bunch of 25-year-old
00:51:15.640
men not to go fuck everything that moves when it's willing to have sex with.
00:51:23.660
I don't think for practical purposes, ultimately, that the red pill is right on that.
00:51:29.640
I think that the Christian right is more correct on that, that the outcomes for most men would
00:51:33.760
be better, ultimately served, and in the short term for society, ultimately served by trying
00:51:42.060
But if you take, like, society out of it and go on, like, an individual basis, like,
00:51:47.040
if the men that are loyal aren't really getting loyalty back and they're getting divorced,
00:52:14.860
And I don't need you guys after me, so please don't come after me, but I'm not going to
00:52:23.760
So you think women in Afghanistan are cheating as much as women in Los Angeles?
00:52:32.780
But I have heard many stories from men that have visited those countries, and a lot of
00:52:45.200
I would say that this on your part is pure cope, because the truth is, is they're not...
00:52:54.880
And the fact that you have to have chaperones even for women to walk around.
00:52:58.360
They have to have male chaperones to walk them through A to B.
00:53:03.120
But even in the ones that are more progressive, they're not cheating as much.
00:53:06.660
So it's giving a demonstration of like, well, wait, if there is social outcomes...
00:53:10.000
So there are ways to govern nations where there's social outcomes for these behaviors.
00:53:16.820
You don't even need to make it where they, you know, you have to wear a shoe fud, can't
00:53:24.860
But like, we're operating in the country we have now.
00:53:28.840
And I just don't think there's any incentive with what we have now.
00:53:32.260
And not like what could be or what like, you know...
00:53:34.880
Yeah, but you know what the problem with that argument is, is like, Rome was full of a bunch
00:53:39.200
of pedestry and homosexuality and all sorts of gross things, right?
00:53:47.460
But yeah, like the virtues have to necessarily switch.
00:53:55.560
1800s America looks real, real straight-laced in comparison to Rome, right?
00:54:02.000
So it's like this idea of, oh, you can't put it back in the...
00:54:09.200
I'm saying I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon.
00:54:15.360
And so we have to live in the laws that are governed now.
00:54:19.460
And like, I think a lot of times what conservatives miss when they say like men shouldn't sleep
00:54:23.860
around, I'm like, well, you have to give them something for it.
00:54:26.460
And right now they're saying like, do this for nothing.
00:54:31.720
Do this in hopes that one day we have Afghan laws.
00:54:37.060
I'm not saying that hopefully one day we have Afghan laws.
00:54:40.120
I'm just pointing out that obviously we can look at the social conditions of nations and
00:54:45.420
the social conditions of societies to see where women are doing these things or not doing
00:54:50.140
The Western nations is where they're mostly being done.
00:54:52.440
That's the primary areas where sexual liberation is there.
00:54:58.500
So I would just say this, just like it took 80 years for us to get here, right?
00:55:04.820
It might take just as long to make the gradual transition the other direction.
00:55:11.600
But yeah, you're telling like in 80 years you'll get a wife.
00:55:14.560
No, no, I'm not saying in 80 years you'll get a wife.
00:55:17.600
It's like if we follow your prescription, let's just say...
00:55:22.640
But I'm saying all I'm asking is the question is what's in it for the guy.
00:55:26.300
Like if you're going to sell something, if you're going to sell a prescription, which
00:55:31.800
But I'm saying like you have to answer the question, what does he get?
00:55:34.880
I think that there are virtuous women that men can still get and that they can practically
00:55:39.920
get them and that they exist all over the place and there's millions of them.
00:55:56.800
And his numbers are not saying 1% are marriageable.
00:55:59.840
And what he's giving is he's giving a spectrum, right?
00:56:03.220
He's saying, look, if you're willing to put up with X, there's going to be 50% of women
00:56:08.760
If you're willing to put up with Y, there's 30%, right?
00:56:12.040
But if you want a chaste virgin, no tattoo, no trauma, it's a very small.
00:56:20.500
It's probably always been the case in sexual liberation that if you wanted a chaste virgin
00:56:25.700
women, no tattoos, no trauma, that it's going to be a small percentage.
00:56:28.660
How much of the obscurity was even calculated in the study?
00:56:50.600
But so he said 1% when you just calculate debt, obesity, and...
00:56:58.180
Yeah, so yeah, okay, if you want to pay off a girl's debt, cool.
00:57:02.840
And then he didn't even include, like, sex work.
00:57:06.080
So, like, again, it's kind of asking the question, like, what's in it for the average
00:57:10.780
I think he did include chastity numbers, Clary did, in his book, now that I'm thinking
00:57:26.020
So when we're looking at those metrics, you're looking at the metrics for marriageable, it's
00:57:54.020
So I would say then that if those are the categories we're looking at, like body count's not even
00:58:01.240
When we're talking about debt, too, how much debt?
00:58:03.620
Like, if you come into a relationship with $10,000 in debt, I don't think Medicare.
00:58:12.700
Honestly, $25,000 worth of debt is not that bad.
00:58:14.220
Yeah, but the average guy makes like $40,000 a year.
00:58:17.260
And the average amount of time it takes off to pay off $25,000 of debt if you're hyper-focused
00:58:21.220
on it, even if you're making $60,000 a year, is not bad.
00:58:23.800
But you could say, but like, this isn't a great sell, right?
00:58:28.760
Now you're saying, well, you can get a wife, but now you can't, you know.
00:58:33.580
I'm saying, these things that you say are, you know, very high, like, don't do it because.
00:58:40.960
It's like, okay, so should I, let me ask you a question.
00:58:44.240
Should I pass on a woman, if she's, hang on, if she's very virtuous and she has, she'll
00:58:48.000
give me four children, she's super fertile because she has $20,000 in debt, should I pass
00:58:56.140
That's the thing about the red pill that gets me.
00:59:01.020
I'm saying we got to, I'm not saying do it or don't do it.
00:59:07.120
And I'm saying on a balance of probabilities, they can't get that and you can't prove it.
00:59:15.520
Yeah, but I mean, well, how do you know anything?
00:59:25.580
Like, there's like the same way that you can prove anything.
00:59:28.020
Women's sex drive starts at like 16 and that's, I mean, I'm not even going to go and, you
00:59:33.180
But when you're like, so the average woman loses her virginity at 16.
00:59:39.180
So when you're looking at probabilities, right?
00:59:43.780
Let's look at the average and the inks of probability.
00:59:46.820
No, I'm just I just wanted to answer the question.
00:59:52.800
That's what would be in it for the guy would be a virtuous woman that would give them children
00:59:57.960
That's that's that's what they would be moving towards.
01:00:01.800
But on average, they're probably not going to get that.
01:00:06.800
So there's there's all sorts of mitigation strategies.
01:00:09.320
One thing is a mitigation strategy is they get brides from elsewhere.
01:00:19.980
Do you know if you bring them back here that one of the worst.
01:00:24.620
But no guy wants to move to like in general, like women are 85 percent of travelers.
01:00:30.520
So men in general, they don't like to travel like most guys don't like if I had to sell
01:00:34.700
my brothers on move to another country to find a good woman.
01:00:38.720
Most people don't want to like uproot their whole life.
01:00:41.640
So then if I were to follow this, if I were to follow Pearl Davis is like the entire viewpoint
01:01:04.860
I would agree that there's less than 50 percent.
01:01:10.240
So because of that, men, right, aren't they're not going to be left with the choice of getting
01:01:16.500
So they just kind of fuck whoever they feel like it because that's what's left to them.
01:01:42.580
But but the way you're like, you're acting as if I have any control over what the world
01:01:55.460
So what I'm I just keep asking the question, what's in it for the man?
01:02:04.520
But I don't think there are enough virtuous women that that's going to be a good
01:02:08.100
selling point because it can't be verified for one.
01:02:11.900
And probability wise, it's less than 50 percent.
01:02:21.480
They don't seem like they're happier because they're bowing out.
01:02:24.680
They seem like they're happier when they find these verses.
01:02:33.660
Most of the guys I talk to play the field when I talk to them privately.
01:02:39.420
But let's just assume I'm just going to assume the world.
01:02:41.960
But it's not like the guys married are in a better place overall.
01:02:49.340
Like, why do you think we have phrases like happy wife, happy life?
01:02:56.820
But again, if if the results were so much better, it would be an easy sell.
01:03:01.120
But let's just let's just say it's 15 percent, though.
01:03:03.220
Let's just say it's only 15 percent of women are virtuous.
01:03:10.660
You'd still recommend that women who wanted virtuous men marry those women.
01:03:20.240
But why would you think that they should marry those women?
01:03:29.500
Like if you as a man want to go off and be by yourself to your 50, I'm not going to tell
01:03:39.140
So now I don't I don't I don't think it's wrong if like for a man to live life.
01:03:53.680
Well, you know, I think I think I think how to live.
01:03:55.360
I think I think that's out of I think that's out of.
01:03:59.560
You tell those virtuous women they need to marry virtuous men.
01:04:04.060
Well, I mean, I think that they're more inclined to listen to women than men.
01:04:09.520
I don't I've I've watched women watch like abortion videos and not care.
01:04:18.760
Is that's brutally like when you say I don't well, I don't care ultimately.
01:04:24.600
I'm like, you should care, though, because ultimately, no, I say you say those.
01:04:29.100
I said it's it's out of order for me to tell a guy how to live.
01:04:38.260
If you think those 10 percent of women who are virtuous should marry like the 10 percent
01:04:44.880
I said if they want to the women, if they I mean, they could be nuns if they want.
01:04:53.340
But if they want to get married, they shouldn't marry shitbags.
01:05:01.060
So, I mean, so if you're just diving into even if they're virtuous, you're not sure.
01:05:07.500
I'm like, even if they're virtuous, I'm not sure what they should do.
01:05:10.140
That's where I'm like, well, my again, it's not my place.
01:05:14.440
Like you have to live with the consequences of your actions.
01:05:17.640
And I just think a lot of YouTubers get like a God complex where they want to tell everyone
01:05:26.700
But I mean, like it's if you you get to live life on your own terms.
01:05:30.240
Well, would you tell men like not to become trannies?
01:05:34.200
I mean, if they want to do that, I'd rather they didn't.
01:05:46.300
Would you tell would you tell would you tell men like so you wouldn't make any recommendations
01:05:52.120
like what if a man was like, I want to be a homosexual and have 20 gay lovers?
01:05:56.720
Well, I I could give what I think is right and wrong.
01:06:10.680
So if you're saying I know what's right and I know what's wrong.
01:06:17.640
So you would tailor that worldview, though, to the outcomes you wanted to see in society.
01:06:25.440
But I don't agree because, again, I think that every man has a right to live life on
01:06:32.020
And you're kind of dodging the question, which is what's in it for the men.
01:06:42.840
What does a man get out of a out of which thing?
01:06:46.840
What he would get or what he'd be seeking for marriage would be a virtuous, non-vexing
01:06:53.360
But we agree that most men aren't going to get that.
01:07:01.580
And until conservatives can answer that question for men, it's going to keep going down.
01:07:11.000
So what what what is it that they're getting out of marriage or what is it that they should
01:07:26.860
What I'm after is the next part where we're like, OK, so what the fuck are we going to
01:07:33.180
Well, you maybe you can start and change the laws and whatever.
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You don't think there's any possibility that people people can run a social movement to
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I don't see any evidence that it's going to happen.
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I mean, the whole economy is run on the female dollar.
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Like, I always look at it as women, you make eight dollars off of women and two dollars
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Women make 80 percent of consumer buying decisions.
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So there's so many industries that just depend off of women working.
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How does the propaganda work, though, that gets all the women in the workforce against their
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All the propaganda can't work to get them out of the workforce?
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Well, but I don't think it's propaganda like that.
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It seems like when I look at the regrets that I hear from women more than anything,
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by the time they hit their 40s was that they did that shit and that they feel like
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But that's kind of like a fat person, like saying they want to lose weight, but they don't
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Like if women, you know, if women have like we get thousands of options on a dating app.
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It is the case that I want to draw that I wish I was good at art.
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But I don't really take any steps to get better at art.
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But if you really wanted to be good at it, you'd take steps to do it.
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Like people can envision that they would want a thing or regret not having the thing.
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But how can you tell what people actually want to do and if they mean something?
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Like if someone really wants to lose weight, they take the steps to do it.
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They hire a personal trainer, whatever they got to do.
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Putting something into action doesn't mean it's not a thing you don't want.
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Like there's lots of people I know who wish that they were millionaires.
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They're not taking actions to become millionaires, but they still wish they had a million bucks for sure.
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And I don't disbelieve that they really wish they had a million bucks because they're not taking actual steps to get it.
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I'm not jaded, but I just look at the way the trends are going.
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And I don't I don't want to, like, lie or, you know, and I'm not I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying, like, to me, it would be lying if I said that I don't predict it's going to go this way.
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But but but I would look at a series of lots is like, again.
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And so when I answer the question, I say, well, I agree with you.
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But then I get to the part where I'm like, yeah, I see the fire.
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So anyway, hey, guys, you want to, like, help me put this out?
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They're like, no, that's you can't just you can't just put out a fire, Andrew.
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But would you help put it out if you knew you were going to die in the process?
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And I think that's what a lot of conservative like, you know, men are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce.
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And the worst, the worst men that I saw actually had housewives.
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Why didn't you tell them to gamble on non-virtuous women?
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You don't know what they're going to do in 10 years.
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Like, I, one of my biggest donors for the documentary.
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So I mean, just don't buy a new car because it could break down.
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One of my biggest donors for the documentary, you know, he had a 30-year marriage.
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And now he's going to work till he's dead because she decided she was virtuous.
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It's like saying don't buy a car because it might break down.
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I wouldn't say it's the same because if, if a car breaks down, like you can fix it, you can buy a new car, but you're not enslaved to the car for 18 years.
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You bought it with debt, you're still enslaved to it for X amount of time.
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But the thing is, is like, look, if you're taking a look at risk mitigation, you're supposed to be looking at all these things.
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You buy the new car, not knowing that it won't break down because it could, but you have enough assured factors that it's so likely won't that you feel okay doing it.
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So like trying to create this guarantee of, well, you don't really know if they're faking virtue right at this moment.
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It's like they could be, but you're supposed to take all the evidence into consideration and make a better choice on that.
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But two kids is 40% of your income for 18 years.
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I mean, that, I mean, I, again, like nobody's answering the question, what's in it for the guy to take that risk?
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Because if she, if she, she might be virtuous now.
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Well, I, what I'm saying is the conservatives in general, they're not going to sell marriage to men, even with so-called like virtuous women, because they're not answering, they're not giving men enough of an incentive.
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And it's easy to say like, we ought to do this.
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I think you could maybe say that like, in your, like.
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Well, I would just mitigate the shit out of everything.
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Do the divorce lawyers have an incentive to be honest about that or to lie?
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I don't think James Sexton was lying to me about it.
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But I just think there's a lot of incentive for divorce lawyers to not be overly honest
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And the other thing that lawyers will tell you is once you have a kid, that's really
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So you might be okay if you don't have a child.
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But now you're moving away from the descriptive truth into like Pearl's truth.
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The descriptive truth and the facts on this one are not on your side.
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But most of the time, prenups are enforced and women who sign prenups are way less likely
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to violate their duties in the marriage because they don't want to lose whatever the thing
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But you don't know how the women are going to be in the future, right?
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Like we're talking about Gen Z women, I would say young millennials that are really on the
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Like you can't say that they're less likely to...
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This is the first group of women that grew up on social media.
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So if I had to predict it, I would guess that they would be worse because I don't think
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But even the ones that do get married, they can download a dating app.
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And I'm not saying if a man wants to get married, I would never talk him out of it.
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Look, I think all of the incentives against secular marriage are in your favor.
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Like I'm not disputing, descriptively, all of the ideas for secular marriage are definitely
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in your favor, but they're not in your favor when it comes to religious marriage.
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They're not in your favor if it is the case you keep the state out of it, got married by
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You can really protect yourself pretty well from most of these mitigating factors and get
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And so the worst divorce that I saw was from an orthodot.
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The two worst divorce I saw, one was from the same church that Michael Knowles goes to.
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How were they getting a divorce, though, if they got married through a party other than
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But once you have a kid, you're entered into the...
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Like once you have a child, you're entered into the state regardless.
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You can still, right, mitigation for that in a prenuptial agreement, even when it comes
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Well, the incentive that men would be receiving on the end is, I don't believe, as you do, that
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you just can't get married to women because there's no virtuous women.
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But assuming even there's a very small percentage, I would still recommend that men find virtuous
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women, get married to them, and the incentive that they get is families and this and that.
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Well, I'm in the business of predicting, right?
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And so when I do that, I have to put myself in someone else's shoes.
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And that's what I'm trying to get at when I keep asking you this question is, what's
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And I don't think until conservatives can, like, if I saw a difference, and we said earlier,
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there's no difference between liberal and conservative women.
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I guess maybe I just don't understand what you're asking, because I feel like I keep giving
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What are men getting out of marriage that would move them towards marriage, right?
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Well, I just, I was trying to, I thought you would agree with me on this, actually.
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So I was kind of, it's kind of interesting rubbing it back and forth.
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I think that that's generally speaking, I wouldn't tell people to go and get secular marriage.
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I think that that's probably a recipe for disaster.
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But when I look at, all the data I look at shows me this.
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Because if you're heavily religious, and you move towards a woman who has virtues, and you
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can associate the virtues with things like chastity, other things like this, and then
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you mitigate it by A, keeping the state out of it, and then B, having some type of prenuptial
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agreement, even a relationship agreement, right?
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But if even if you got married through the state, and you had a prenup, you're pretty,
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Like women are way more inclined to behave and everything else if that's in place.
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I totally agree that they're ahead of the curve, and they're way better than a guy that didn't
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I also agree that that's probably the better route to go if they're going to go down that
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What's their incentive to fuck a bunch of different hoes?
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So, I mean, it seems like all the incentives are in my side.
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No, what's the incentive to have sex with a bunch of different women?
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So, I mean, so you're just saying that the incentive is like funsies, mees, mees, mees,
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Yeah, but that's a terrible message ultimately.
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Yeah, but even on the predictive message, by the time these men are in their 30s and 40s,
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They want to settle down, have wife and kids, usually 10 years younger.
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So, it would make sense for them to fuck her out until she graduates.
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Yeah, but even if I were to grant that, to just like, oh, 20 years, 20 years go sow
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If ultimately you're going to get married, you're still going to be moving towards woman
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of virtue, prenup, all of these different conditions.
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But, like, I was just asking, like, what's the...
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I think there's better incentive for men to get married than there is to play the field,
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Right, but when you have men like Crowder who get the virgin wife with a no...
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I love Crowder, but, like, he got the picture-perfect wife that, like, they were on the cover of magazines,
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Men are going to look at that and you're going to say, well, what's the difference?
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The difference is tactical mistakes which were made.
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Ashley St. Clair was offered $10 million and she still couldn't shut up.
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And if she violated it and Elon Musk enforced it, I bet you it would get enforced.
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The thing is, it's like, high profile, high status men.
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I've seen the types of agreements that they make with women and they are fucking insane.
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They're 300 pages long, cover their whole empire, covers all sorts of things.
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But even average guys can have a lawyer draft up a prenuptial agreement which will greatly
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mitigate this damage which is done if a woman is faking virtue.
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Could they just like lose their shit, become lunatics?
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No, as I said earlier, if they're going to go down that route, I totally think the
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But the men have every incentive to go down that route.
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I think the way that you're describing, if they're going to go down that route...
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I think if the incentives were there, more men would do it.
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So having kids with hoes is a recipe for disaster.
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Having kids with a wife and having prenuptial agreements, these types of agreements in place,
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Just go impregnate some chick like Ashley St. Clair?
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He has way too much money to not have a vetting process.
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But I just don't think that the idea of like...
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I think if men want kids, they have a right to go do that.
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Yeah, but I think men do want kids, ultimately.
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I think that if I had to predict where things are going to go, I think it's going to disappear.
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Because especially from the middle class marriage, I think it's really just going to be for the elite and the rich.
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Well, I'm going to do everything in my power in the interim time as the lowly YouTuber who I can't do much
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to try to at least assist with the mitigation in the entire fall of the West, which I actually still love the West.
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And the people who are in it, I don't want to see men suffer horrid, you know, these kind of horrid fates which happen.
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When there is actually a lot of mitigation they could do to take care of that.
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And then when you say there's no selling point, it's like I hear the opposite.
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When I see the guys who are like, oh, yeah, I spent my 20s and 30s doing drugs, getting high and banging chicks.
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Every one of them ends up in front of that old rugged cross going, I wish I hadn't done that.
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You say, oh, I've met some players who say the opposite.
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He admitted to me live that he was absolutely a feminist.
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It's like, yeah, I told you before, left-wing men, they're the primary beneficiaries of promiscuous women because they want that.
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Well, I think that the only solution to feminism is more feminism.
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When women start getting treated like men and having the consequences that men have, like that's when I think, and you might think otherwise, but I think that's the only way.
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I think it's just, I think that the idea of female accountability went from they're a witch, burn them, or commit accountability, to now like they can do no wrong, right?
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And I think accountability is great and necessary, and it's the only way to fix, ultimately, what this issue is, is allowing accountability to happen.
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But I don't think that that has anything to do with feminism.
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Good patriarchies allow for female accountability, and we've just gotten away from that because of the, what, sympocalypse, I call it, sympademic, you call it.
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So what would you, if you were in charge, what would you?
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I just look at things that are burning and say, let it, you know, I mean, that's what I, you're the prescriptor.
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You're a man, that's what you should be doing, right?
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So like, if you were in charge, like, what would you do?
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If I was the unilateral, like, dictator of the United States government, I would start a top-down propaganda campaign and spend about 10% of my GDP on it,
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tearing down every single billboard and erecting ones all over the nation, tearing down every bit of LGBTQ, pro-feminist, you know, ideology, anywhere I could find it,
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replace it with the family unit everywhere you looked.
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Everywhere they were starting when they were in their school years, and I would do it, I'd run it for 30 years,
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and I guarantee you, a lot of this problem would begin to shift very, very, very quickly.
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So that's the very first thing that I would start with.
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If you wanted, like, more prescriptions than that, I would get rid of gay marriage, I would get rid of no-fault divorce, I would get rid of, I mean,
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the amount of things that I would get rid of unilaterally day one would be overwhelming.
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Would you ever, sorry, would you ever run for office?
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Because you actually have, like, a real background, unlike most YouTubers.
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I think people would actually vote for you, you wouldn't run?
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Well, the thing is, is, like, I would show up to these debates, right?
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Yeah, I think I would get very popular very quickly, but the thing is, is, like, I think
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Yeah, and I also think that what I do right now is in some ways more effective.
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We can get where people aren't and deliver those messages to, like, Tommy, Lauren, and
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Look, here's the thing for the audience, because this kind of turned into a debate.
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It's the prescriptions that we start to, that's where we really start to deviate, where
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I'm like, look, I think we can do some stuff to start to put this out, and that men collectively
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But we got to try to, we got to try to bring it along.
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Because when I hear the feedback from thousands, from the thousands and thousands of people
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They're like, look, when I shifted my priority to start looking for the things I consider
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virtue to be, I started to see that there's a whole different arena of women who actually
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I didn't know what, you know, what I was even, what I was even really trying for.
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And I don't think that playing the, playing the field is not very satisfying for very
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So, yeah, they tend to want to gravitate towards success and family, ultimately.
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And this is every one of these major red pillars.