JustPearlyThings - Andrew Wilson Destroys Another Piers Morgan Panel ｜ Pearl Daily

00:00:00.000 Quickly, no, because men are useless. 0.97

00:00:04.460 This headline from The Hill, it caught my eye.

00:00:07.320 Most young men are single, most young women are not.

00:00:10.340 Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America over the last 40 years.

00:00:15.060 It's a different world now, like we don't need men the way that they used to.

00:00:18.100 Nobody needs men! 1.00

00:00:19.340 The future is female. 1.00

00:00:22.360 Men and women are drifting further apart and society is crumbling because of it. 0.99

00:00:28.240 A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.

00:00:32.220 You've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.

00:00:34.920 This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.

00:00:38.540 You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.

00:00:42.640 Marriage is a bond and it's a sacred bond.

00:00:45.100 It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.

00:00:48.300 Now many of the red pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.

00:00:53.140 Hannah Pearl Davis or just pearly things. 0.79

00:00:56.560 One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.

00:01:00.500 She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.

00:01:03.340 Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.

00:01:08.520 Gee, what could go wrong there?

00:01:10.640 74% or something of divorces are initiated by women. 0.53

00:01:14.260 Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children. 0.81

00:01:17.140 Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws. 0.73

00:01:19.820 I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.

00:01:24.700 Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.

00:01:28.020 You need no evidence.

00:01:29.160 When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.

00:01:32.880 And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.

00:01:36.200 I interviewed them on the other side.

00:01:38.480 I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.

00:01:41.160 How much did you spend trying to get him back?

00:01:43.180 The legal fees alone was about $200,000.

00:01:45.540 Before you know it, you're homeless.

00:01:46.980 You're literally just thrown out onto the street.

00:01:48.860 We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women. 1.00

00:01:51.060 Wives are taught to leave their husbands, and then daughters grow up without their fathers.

00:01:55.600 Family is the foundation of society.

00:01:57.320 Every problem in society comes from single mother homes. 1.00

00:02:00.460 A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness. 1.00

00:02:04.720 Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women. 1.00

00:02:06.740 We tell women to date as many guys as possible.

00:02:08.560 We tell them to put off family into marriage. 0.99

00:02:10.340 You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.

00:02:13.080 You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.

00:02:17.520 Oh, freeze your ex, have an abortion. 1.00

00:02:19.340 What?

00:02:19.760 You're evil.

00:02:20.420 I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.

00:02:24.400 Right.

00:02:24.680 Like, if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,

00:02:28.580 naturally, the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.

00:02:31.280 It's self-sabotage.

00:02:32.180 And that's the thing.

00:02:32.740 Like, women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy. 1.00

00:02:35.940 This is not about happiness.

00:02:37.740 The most important thing is the children.

00:02:39.960 And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings,

00:02:44.520 leave when I feel like it, instead of doing what's best for the kids.

00:02:47.640 This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?

00:02:52.460 They think, well, men have all the rights. 0.95

00:02:53.960 They have all the power.

00:02:55.260 Privilege, patriarchal system that we have.

00:02:57.520 Why doesn't our society care about men's rights? 0.99

00:03:00.100 I have no friends.

00:03:01.420 No wife. 0.97

00:03:02.200 And no social life.

00:03:03.340 Men are alone in this situation.

00:03:05.260 Men are homeless.

00:03:06.240 Men are thinking about eating guns.

00:03:07.620 I have seen so many men on the brink of suicide, and they didn't do anything wrong.

00:03:12.500 How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?

00:03:17.880 The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.

00:03:21.720 Women are helplessly dependent upon men. 0.99

00:03:24.380 The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose, to alcohol,

00:03:28.360 three times higher among men than among women.

00:03:31.440 Culture is telling men, you are no good.

00:03:33.280 You've got to get your act together.

00:03:34.500 I think men have failed themselves.

00:03:35.900 What kind of a man are you?

00:03:37.400 What kind of a woman are you going to attract? 1.00

00:03:39.340 If men are in trouble, so are women. 0.66

00:03:41.980 Everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it.

00:03:45.660 Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man to get... 1.00

00:03:47.900 500K.

00:03:48.580 500K.

00:03:49.200 300K.

00:03:49.520 300K.

00:03:49.960 200K.

00:03:50.400 Am I crazy?

00:03:51.120 Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man.

00:03:53.380 If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them. 1.00

00:03:56.980 So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?

00:04:00.840 Women. 0.81

00:04:02.320 I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.

00:04:04.360 I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.

00:04:06.780 I'm over it.

00:04:07.920 When is it going to be my turn?

00:04:09.220 Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?

00:04:10.980 I can't keep having these same conversations.

00:04:13.780 The only simp here is you, Pearl.

00:04:15.040 You simp for men. 0.99

00:04:15.640 No, I think you simp for women. 1.00

00:04:17.080 She's a provocateur. 1.00

00:04:18.040 She says stupid stuff.

00:04:19.220 But Pearl is right about this.

00:04:20.480 It's already happening.

00:04:21.640 It's just not out in the open yet.

00:04:23.140 Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairy tale ending because men don't want 0.99

00:04:26.720 a wife and women can't find a husband. 1.00

00:04:28.540 The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.

00:04:33.040 We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.

00:04:36.900 Civilization will crumble.

00:04:38.680 The American story does not end well.

00:04:41.240 This is an existential crisis failing young men.

00:04:44.220 What's going on, guys?

00:04:53.440 Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.

00:04:57.760 Today, we are going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson on Pierce Morgan, which is kind of a

00:05:02.860 fun, it's a fun, chill Sunday.

00:05:05.140 But before we do, I wanted to thank the people that have donated to the GoFundMe.

00:05:11.660 So as you guys know, we are trying to raise $100,000 to put together this divorce documentary.

00:05:17.880 And we just hit the $37,000 mark.

00:05:22.100 Yes, guys, $50 15 hours ago from Juan Ignacio, $10, Anonymous, $10.

00:05:32.100 So thank you guys for getting it to the $37,000 mark.

00:05:35.120 Now we're almost to $40,000, which is pretty cool.

00:05:37.360 So all Super Chats also go to the Divorce documentary.

00:05:42.120 So today we're going to be reacting to Andrew Wilson.

00:05:45.420 I'm talking about the Sidney Sweeney debate.

00:05:49.960 Andrew Wilson, Sidney Sweeney.

00:05:52.220 And so basically, there was a tweet that was put out there saying that Sidney Sweeney is somehow

00:06:02.960 involved in racist campaigns.

00:06:07.820 And it's just amazing how much society does not like when a pretty blonde girl, how much 1.00

00:06:17.280 they hate pretty blonde women. 1.00

00:06:18.820 I do not know why.

00:06:19.780 I do not get it.

00:06:20.560 Um, all right, let's see.

00:06:25.020 So apparently there's like white supremacy over an ad.

00:06:29.820 So let's, let's watch this.

00:06:32.200 Sidney Sweeney, Casper King.

00:06:34.360 I was frankly angered.

00:06:35.820 The ad is racist and you get exposed.

00:06:38.660 Oh my gosh.

00:06:40.580 Okay.

00:06:42.400 Well, everything Nazism, say everybody's a Nazi, except for the actual Nazis.

00:06:46.840 Historically, we have only normalized white people.

00:06:50.360 And so we've made white women's, white women's bodies the norm. 1.00

00:06:53.580 Why can't you have good genes, Mark?

00:06:55.300 Sidney Sweeney is a sex symbol.

00:06:57.340 She is a young, hot woman. 1.00

00:06:59.180 That is all this ad is about.

00:07:00.900 American Eagle's Sidney Sweeney has great genes campaign has unleashed a Hitlerian hysteria not 0.90

00:07:08.360 seen since the U.S.

00:07:09.320 election.

00:07:10.040 In case you'd be living under a rock this week, this is what the fuss is about.

00:07:13.080 Genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality,

00:07:20.980 and even eye color.

00:07:24.320 My genes are blue.

00:07:26.140 Sidney Sweeney, Casper King.

00:07:32.760 She's got a banging body. 1.00

00:07:34.880 She's got a great body. 1.00

00:07:35.720 Well, half of the adverse viewers see a cheeky ad with an attractive actress flogging genes.

00:07:53.520 The other half apparently see a subliminal propaganda campaign for eugenics, fascism.

00:08:00.520 Eugenics? 0.95

00:08:02.680 You have got to be kidding me.

00:08:04.540 And white supremacy with a dash of Nazis thrown in for the mix.

00:08:08.560 Those Sidney Sweeney American Eagle ads are weird, like fascist weird.

00:08:13.860 Did American Eagle just run an ad for eugenics?

00:08:16.720 The attractive white woman with blonde hair, blue eyes, is talking about just the gene she 0.65

00:08:21.860 gets from American Eagle.

00:08:22.700 You see a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white woman and think that is an all-American woman? 1.00

00:08:27.720 That is the exact problem with this advertisement.

00:08:30.640 Hey, American Eagle, now do black and brown women. 1.00

00:08:33.500 Hey, you want...

00:08:34.480 There's so many.

00:08:36.140 It's like, how many ads do you guys want?

00:08:41.740 There's so many ads with black and brown women, you know, I don't even like... 1.00

00:08:47.420 Do you know what I mean?

00:08:48.640 It's like, how many...

00:08:50.220 Let me put a blonde girl and they're getting mad. 1.00

00:08:55.220 Go to American Eagle?

00:08:57.000 Oh, I can't go in there because I'm black.

00:09:00.500 All right, that's a bit of an exaggeration.

00:09:02.620 I think we should just start shaming them instead.

00:09:05.280 You are an embarrassment, Sidney Sweeney.

00:09:07.260 It's all just excitable people on social media who are losing their minds on this one.

00:09:11.940 Even Good Morning America is wondering whether Sidney's great genes may herald the onset of

00:09:17.780 a new fourth rank.

00:09:18.960 We begin with the backlash over a new ad campaign featuring actress Sidney Sweeney.

00:09:22.820 Yeah, the ads are for American Eagle and the tagline is, Sidney Sweeney has great genes.

00:09:27.640 Now, in one ad, the blonde-haired, blue-eyed actress talks about genes as in DNA being passed

00:09:32.680 down from her parents.

00:09:33.740 Okay, she's hot, though. 1.00

00:09:35.860 I mean, you could say that about Beyonce or something, you know?

00:09:42.540 I mean, it's just...

00:09:43.180 On words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.

00:09:49.900 So is Sidney Sweeney the new poster girl for white supremacy, or is it all, as one commentator

00:09:55.480 put it, just ugly girl jealousy?

00:09:58.500 Well, turning to my panel now, I'm away from my usual studio, working on a slight delay,

00:10:03.180 so I'll begin with a polite request for everyone to take it in turns and allow the audience

00:10:08.000 to enjoy all of your insights.

00:10:10.260 I'm joined by Jedidiah Beeler, the host of the Jedidiah Beeler Show, by the conservative

00:10:17.300 influencer, Deborah Lee, academic and host of BET News, Mark Lamont-Hill, and the author

00:10:23.940 of Cultural Intelligence for Marketers, Dr. Anastasia Gabrielle.

00:10:29.080 Well, welcome to all of you.

00:10:30.420 Okay, let me start with you, Dr. Anastasia.

00:10:34.640 What's your problem with this ad?

00:10:36.120 I mean, I just saw Sidney Sweeney, looking hot, selling jeans.

00:10:40.800 What memo didn't I get?

00:10:43.080 I would love to live in a world where more people would have the privilege to look at

00:10:47.500 this ad and simply see an ad for great jeans, but that's not the world that we live in,

00:10:53.160 and we live in a world that is marked with a lot of cultural baggage.

00:10:56.220 So when I saw this ad as a marketer, as somebody who works with agencies and brands on issues

00:11:02.140 of culture and cultural relevance, I was frankly angered.

00:11:05.360 And the reason for that is that the ad is racist and eugenics coded. 0.66

00:11:11.180 And I have to be clear that when I say that, I don't mean to talk about the intent of the

00:11:16.540 creators behind this ad, but rather the impact that it has on audiences and particularly on

00:11:21.100 younger audiences.

00:11:22.040 And here we need to remember that the target audience of American Eagle is the most racially

00:11:27.920 and ethnically diverse consumer group in the history of the United States.

00:11:33.380 And somebody who has spent a lot of time studying semiotics and the way that meaning is encoded in

00:11:39.880 various forms of media and cultural artifacts, it becomes very clear to me that when we take apart

00:11:45.500 this particular ad campaign, it marries certain concepts and certain words that carry cultural

00:11:53.360 baggage for people.

00:11:54.380 And if that wasn't enough, we can go back and look to the source material for this particular

00:12:00.140 campaign, which is a Calvin Klein ad from 1980 that uses very explicitly the same kind of rhetoric

00:12:08.060 of, and even more so rather, dramatically natural selection, survival of the fittest, selective

00:12:15.080 mating, the superiority of dominant groups, et cetera.

00:12:20.460 And from a perspective of media and cultural studies, when we look at this particular campaign,

00:12:25.860 we can see how meaning travels from the source of inspiration to this particular narrative structure

00:12:32.220 that we see in this ad.

00:12:33.680 And so it is no surprise to me that it was picked up by audiences that reacted in the way that

00:12:39.780 they did.

00:12:40.780 And research shows, even though obviously Gen Z are in themselves a diverse group, they're

00:12:46.480 also generally on average, more progressive leaning and of course, chronically online.

00:12:51.780 Crazy.

00:12:52.780 Do you mean crazy?

00:12:53.780 Anastasia?

00:12:54.780 Anastasia, we haven't had you on, we haven't had you on a sensor before.

00:12:59.980 I didn't really understand a word of what you've just said.

00:13:02.980 Are you, are you this much fun at parties or do you have a different persona there?

00:13:07.580 I would love it if you weren't disrespectful to me.

00:13:10.080 It's a pleasure to join you today.

00:13:12.080 Gaslighting.

00:13:13.080 That's what we do.

00:13:14.080 It's like our default.

00:13:16.080 Our default is gaslighting.

00:13:19.080 Yeah.

00:13:20.080 And I look forward to exchanging opinions.

00:13:22.080 Oh, wait.

00:13:23.080 Where's Andrew Wilson isn't in this one.

00:13:25.080 Am I in the wrong one?

00:13:26.080 Um, okay.

00:13:27.180 Andrew Wilson, Sydney Sweeney.

00:13:30.180 I am so sorry.

00:13:31.180 Uh, okay.

00:13:32.180 I thought it was.

00:13:33.180 Oh, it's this.

00:13:34.180 My bad.

00:13:35.180 My bad guys.

00:13:36.180 I don't know.

00:13:37.180 Woman and me. 0.80

00:13:38.180 You want these people to destroy your theology.

00:13:39.180 If you're Catholic, sir, they're going out. 1.00

00:13:40.180 I don't want theology.

00:13:41.180 What am I?

00:13:42.180 What am I missing?

00:13:43.180 Um, Andrew Wilson, Sydney Sweeney on Pierce Morgan.

00:13:47.180 Okay.

00:13:48.180 Hold on.

00:13:49.180 Wait, take my screen off for a second.

00:13:50.180 Cause I think it was texted to me earlier.

00:13:51.180 So just, I don't want another.

00:13:52.180 Wait here.

00:13:53.180 Get a life.

00:13:54.180 Oh, my God.

00:13:55.180 Oh, my God.

00:13:56.180 Guys.

00:13:57.180 I don't know.

00:13:58.180 I don't know.

00:13:59.180 Woman and me. 0.80

00:14:00.180 I don't know.

00:14:01.180 You want these people to destroy your theology.

00:14:02.180 If you're Catholic, sir, they're going out. 1.00

00:14:03.180 I don't want theology.

00:14:04.180 What am I?

00:14:05.180 What am I?

00:14:06.180 What am I missing?

00:14:07.180 Um, Andrew Wilson, Sydney Sweeney on Pierce Morgan.

00:14:11.180 Okay.

00:14:12.180 Hold on.

00:14:13.180 Wait, take my screen off for a second.

00:14:15.180 Get a life.

00:14:17.180 Oh, no, that's not it.

00:14:23.180 Mmm.

00:14:24.180 I wanted to see one with Andrew today.

00:14:26.180 Okay, guys.

00:14:27.180 You, you vote.

00:14:28.180 Uh, I guess, I thought Andrew was in this.

00:14:31.180 I guess he's not.

00:14:32.180 My jeans are blue.

00:14:33.180 Sydney Sweeney.

00:14:34.180 I was frankly angered.

00:14:37.180 The natural selection, survival of the fittest, selective mating, the superiority of

00:14:44.180 I think TV just picks stupid people.

00:14:49.180 So it's more entertaining.

00:14:51.180 Oh my God.

00:14:53.180 Okay.

00:14:54.180 Uh, Marla Monhill.

00:14:55.180 Let's go.

00:14:56.180 Let's look at an earlier American Eagle ad, which was in the middle of the whole Me Too campaign

00:15:05.180 and stuff.

00:15:06.180 Um, do you have any problem with the lady on the left there? 1.00

00:15:10.180 Do I have a problem with her?

00:15:13.180 No, I don't have a problem with her.

00:15:14.180 Yeah.

00:15:15.180 I don't have a problem with the woman on the right. 1.00

00:15:16.180 You're not offended by that image.

00:15:18.180 I'm not offended.

00:15:19.180 Ah, fascinating.

00:15:20.180 No, no, no.

00:15:21.180 You do have a problem with the woman on the right. 0.94

00:15:23.180 No, no, no, no, no.

00:15:24.180 Hold on.

00:15:25.180 Two things.

00:15:26.180 One, you specifically said, let's not interrupt each other.

00:15:28.180 And I haven't been able to articulate one sentence yet.

00:15:30.180 And I've been interrupted twice.

00:15:31.180 So let's follow your own rules.

00:15:33.180 I'm not offended by the woman on the left.

00:15:36.180 Let me complete the sentence.

00:15:38.180 I am not offended by the woman on the left, nor am I offended by the woman on the right.

00:15:42.180 The a-ha that you're going for isn't there because I'm saying I am not offended by either 1.00

00:15:46.180 the woman.

00:15:47.180 Got it.

00:15:48.180 Please, I'm asking respectfully.

00:15:49.180 Allow me to finish a thought.

00:15:50.180 Two people have spoken uninterrupted for three minutes.

00:15:52.180 I haven't gotten 10 seconds out.

00:15:54.180 What I'm saying is the problem is not either woman. 0.85

00:15:58.180 The problem is how we're narrating the commercial.

00:16:02.180 That's what people are concerned about.

00:16:04.180 Several things have been said that I'd like to respond to in direct response to what you're

00:16:07.180 asking me, Piers.

00:16:08.180 The first thing, and I'm glad the last woman who spoke mentioned that she's Jewish because

00:16:11.180 I think that's really important.

00:16:13.180 Historically, there have been lots of anti-Semitic images, narratives, tropes that are used that

00:16:21.180 non-Jews don't. 0.98

00:16:22.180 How could you let an ad affect your life?

00:16:32.180 I don't understand it.

00:16:34.180 I don't.

00:16:35.180 See, and many times someone will say, oh, wait a minute.

00:16:38.180 They showed that person playing into the cabal narrative.

00:16:41.180 They showed this person as a rodent, or they showed this person with changing their name

00:16:46.180 to this or that.

00:16:47.180 And the average person may not intend to be anti-Semitic, although some people are anti-Semitic.

00:16:51.180 But it's still there, and Jews recognize it. 0.98

00:16:53.180 So I don't want to presume that because a white person doesn't see it, that that means

00:16:58.180 that it can't be racist.

00:17:00.180 Or if a black person doesn't see it—you know what I'm saying? 0.87

00:17:03.180 We have to think about this on all levels from multiple audiences.

00:17:06.180 You used the word normal and talked about it in the context of this white woman. 0.89

00:17:10.180 White women are normal, but so are other people. 1.00

00:17:13.180 The problem is, historically, we have only normalized white people.

00:17:17.180 And so we've made white women's bodies, white male bodies, the norm. 1.00

00:17:21.180 And we've made everything else less human, less beautiful, less real.

00:17:25.180 And so when we say good genes are the ones that—

00:17:27.180 What a load of crap.

00:17:29.180 Honestly, I'm sorry about it.

00:17:31.180 If I may jump in on my own show.

00:17:34.180 What a load of crap.

00:17:36.180 I saw Beyonce do a jeans ad.

00:17:38.180 Everybody drooled over it.

00:17:40.180 That's what I mean.

00:17:41.180 Why do you—

00:17:50.180 There's some people that just shouldn't have microphones.

00:17:55.180 I loved it.

00:17:56.180 Thought she looked hot, but she did. 1.00

00:17:58.180 Right?

00:17:59.180 I mean, what are you talking about, man?

00:18:00.180 This is—

00:18:01.180 Can you imagine?

00:18:02.180 He's employed for his opinions.

00:18:04.180 He's paid.

00:18:05.180 Piers Morgan pays.

00:18:06.180 He's paid for this.

00:18:08.180 And there's people that are subject matter experts and like academics.

00:18:12.180 And on Piers Morgan, they have like a—

00:18:17.180 This guy.

00:18:18.180 And then a bunch of blonde e-girls. 1.00

00:18:22.180 And then some Jewish lady that can't do a coherent thought. 1.00

00:18:28.180 It's like, all right.

00:18:29.180 Ask a straight question.

00:18:30.180 Let me ask you a straight question.

00:18:31.180 Does Sydney Sweeney—

00:18:33.180 Does Sydney Sweeney have bad genes? 1.00

00:18:36.180 Yes or no?

00:18:37.180 No.

00:18:38.180 I don't think she has bad genes.

00:18:40.180 Does she have good genes? 0.99

00:18:41.180 Does she have good genes? 0.99

00:18:43.180 No.

00:18:44.180 No.

00:18:45.180 Again, you're trying for these gotchas if you just listen. 1.00

00:18:47.180 So she doesn't have good or bad genes?

00:18:49.180 The whole point is to argue that good and bad genes itself is a bad idea.

00:18:53.180 It's a racist idea.

00:18:54.180 Why can't you have good genes, Mark?

00:18:56.180 Why is it racist?

00:18:58.180 Why can't you?

00:18:59.180 They just pay him to argue with them.

00:19:04.180 Sometimes they just put like dumb people on shows just to argue with them.

00:19:09.180 Why can't you have good genes?

00:19:13.180 I'm going to respond and I'm going to hope that you don't interrupt me as I answer.

00:19:18.180 Okay?

00:19:19.180 Because again, no one else has been interrupted except the people who disagree with you.

00:19:21.180 What I'm saying is—

00:19:22.180 Don't be so precious, please.

00:19:23.180 The word—

00:19:24.180 Listen, listen, listen.

00:19:25.180 The word eugenics literally means good genes.

00:19:28.180 It literally means that etymologically.

00:19:30.180 The point here is to judge human beings based on their genes that you decide that you have

00:19:34.180 good genes and you have bad genes isn't in and of itself a racist project.

00:19:38.180 That's the point.

00:19:39.180 So no, it's not that I think that I have good genes and you can't say anyone else has

00:19:42.180 good genes.

00:19:43.180 I'm saying let's get rid of the good genes narrative, particularly when it's based on

00:19:46.180 hair and eyes and body type.

00:19:48.180 Why?

00:19:49.180 Because those things are racially coded.

00:19:52.180 In other words, if I say that straight hair is good genes or blonde hair is good genes—and

00:19:56.180 I'm not after watching an ad Googling someone to figure out their natural roots.

00:19:59.180 You'd be shocked to know how many people don't do that.

00:20:01.180 If I'm doing these things and I see blue—your eye color and your hair as a sign of your good

00:20:06.180 genes, then that means someone who has a different hair or eye color doesn't have good genes.

00:20:09.180 And if you—the last thing I'll say is if you look historically at ads—

00:20:13.180 It doesn't though, does it?

00:20:15.180 Calm down.

00:20:16.180 Calm down.

00:20:17.180 It doesn't actually mean that.

00:20:18.180 No, no, no.

00:20:19.180 Hang on.

00:20:20.180 No, no.

00:20:21.180 I will speak on my own show.

00:20:22.180 So just calm down.

00:20:23.180 I'm asking you to speak.

00:20:24.180 I'm asking you not to be condescending.

00:20:25.180 Stop being so precious.

00:20:26.180 My instruction about shouting was between the three or four of you.

00:20:30.180 Not me.

00:20:31.180 It's my show.

00:20:32.180 I do what I like.

00:20:33.180 My point is this.

00:20:34.180 If you interrupt me in the first minute, it's bad form.

00:20:37.180 I'm saying that if you let the guests who agreed with you talk for three minutes,

00:20:40.180 then don't allow me to talk for more than one second.

00:20:42.180 You literally didn't let me finish the first second.

00:20:44.180 He's crashing out.

00:20:46.180 He is crashing out.

00:20:49.180 When you're in these environments, it's such a weird setting.

00:20:54.180 I kind of hate—so I don't really take these panels anymore because I just hate talking

00:21:01.180 like that.

00:21:02.180 I want to talk to you like a normal person.

00:21:04.180 I don't want to talk to you like this scripted monologues.

00:21:08.180 I want to have a back and forth and understand where you're coming from.

00:21:12.180 Literally, you have literally done more talking than all three other guests put together multiple

00:21:19.180 by two or three.

00:21:20.180 That is not true.

00:21:21.180 So, call your precious chest.

00:21:22.180 That's not true, but my issue with you interrupting was not—

00:21:23.180 Call your precious chest.

00:21:24.180 At this point, it was at the first 10 seconds.

00:21:26.180 My point was just to interrupt me in the first 10 seconds.

00:21:28.180 Why?

00:21:29.180 Can you calm down?

00:21:30.180 I'm not angry.

00:21:33.180 I'm not angry.

00:21:34.180 I'm talking over you.

00:21:35.180 I have blue eyes, right?

00:21:39.180 I also have good genes, particularly on my mother's side because my skin is surprisingly 0.74

00:21:44.180 good for a personal age because my mother's side all had good skin. 1.00

00:21:48.180 You got a problem with that?

00:21:53.180 Mom?

00:21:54.180 Is that for me?

00:21:55.180 You got a problem with that?

00:21:56.180 Yes.

00:21:57.180 If I say I've got good genes from my mother because I have good skin and I've got blue eyes,

00:22:01.180 so what?

00:22:02.180 So what color eyes are bad genes?

00:22:06.180 If someone has bad genes, what would their hair or skin look like?

00:22:08.180 I don't think any are bad.

00:22:10.180 I didn't see anybody from American Eagle saying that anybody else—

00:22:13.180 Why do you always need to assume the negative?

00:22:14.180 No one said anything but bad.

00:22:15.180 Can I jump in here?

00:22:16.180 Just to be clear, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:22:19.180 He's rewarded for being an emotional man.

00:22:23.180 It's unfortunate.

00:22:24.180 Nobody from American Eagle was making any comparison.

00:22:28.180 Nobody said somebody else's eye color or skin color was wrong or bad or anything negative.

00:22:36.180 All they said in an amusing pun is that Sidney Sweeney has good genes and is wearing great

00:22:44.180 genes.

00:22:45.180 That's it.

00:22:46.180 There was no negative about anybody else.

00:22:48.180 And here's why I disagree with that.

00:22:50.180 Because if I were to stand on here and say, oh, she's from a good background.

00:22:53.180 She's Gentile. 1.00

00:22:54.180 Then we would all say, well, wait a minute.

00:22:56.180 I didn't compare to anybody else.

00:22:57.180 No, by saying that Gentiles, the good background, I would be implicitly saying that the others 1.00

00:23:01.180 are not.

00:23:02.180 If I say I have a good body, I'm skinny, then I'm saying the other bodies are not good.

00:23:06.180 It's an implicit comparison, but it's not out of context.

00:23:09.180 Historically in this country and in the West, we've always said that white bodies are more 0.99

00:23:13.180 beautiful.

00:23:14.180 So it's not like we're coming out of nowhere.

00:23:15.180 This is not a Zeus's head.

00:23:16.180 We're starting from a place where we've already presumed white.

00:23:19.180 I actually think black women have the best bodies. 1.00

00:23:22.180 I really do.

00:23:23.180 They just that that waist to hip ratio. 0.89

00:23:26.180 I do think blonde women have the best like features here. 1.00

00:23:31.180 Sometimes blonde women, a lot of blonde women have nose jobs. 1.00

00:23:35.180 So I don't think they normally like they kind of have the crooked.

00:23:39.180 Like nowadays, most women, it's so common to get nose jobs. 1.00

00:23:43.180 I like Latina.

00:23:45.180 Do you see what I mean?

00:23:46.180 I feel like there's different things that each race has that look really good.

00:23:51.180 I've heard Jewish women are really pretty. 1.00

00:23:53.180 I've never, I've never, I only know one or two, but I've heard there.

00:23:58.180 I've heard the girls in Israel are like beautiful. 1.00

00:24:00.180 I've spent the last 10 years, the last 10 years.

00:24:05.180 If you look at all of the marketing campaigns, all of we, we have done how many segments

00:24:10.180 on television about the elevation of obesity.

00:24:12.180 You see people who are massive that you now we're saying it's a good thing, right?

00:24:16.180 It's great.

00:24:17.180 Let's celebrate everyone who's unhealthy and obese.

00:24:19.180 If, if this ad was an African American, if this ad was a Hispanic girl, no one would 1.00

00:24:25.180 be saying a peep.

00:24:26.180 Frankly, I think if this ad was a white girl like me with brown hair, brown eyes, I got

00:24:31.180 a little Spanish in me.

00:24:32.180 I got a little Italian in me.

00:24:33.180 I'm Sicilian.

00:24:34.180 I got some African in me.

00:24:35.180 I don't think anyone would be saying anything either.

00:24:37.180 This is utterly ridiculous.

00:24:38.180 The only people who are offended by this ad are people who choose to be offended by everything.

00:24:44.180 Either you choose to see racism in everything, or you choose to see sexism or misogyny.

00:24:49.180 I noticed that a whole lot of women online were mad about this ad because they were jealous. 1.00

00:24:53.180 It was so obvious.

00:24:54.180 Now, now they're saying that this woman is against the body positivity campaign because 1.00

00:24:59.180 she's skinny. 1.00

00:25:00.180 So let's just say the truth.

00:25:01.180 Sydney Sweeney is a sex symbol.

00:25:03.180 She is a young, hot woman. 1.00

00:25:05.180 She is objectively attractive.

00:25:07.180 That is all this ad was about.

00:25:09.180 Now, why has the stock skyrocketed for this company?

00:25:13.180 The reason this ad has done so well is yes, because it creates controversy and we all

00:25:16.180 talk about it and we debate.

00:25:17.180 And American Eagle is very smart and they knew that.

00:25:19.180 But also because there is a growing segment of the population just like me that is saying

00:25:24.180 that is so tired of walking on eggshells to cater to people like Mark's sensitivities.

00:25:29.180 Frankly, I don't care if you're offended.

00:25:31.180 You can put an ad out and offend this person over here or that person over there.

00:25:34.180 Everyone is always going to get offended by something.

00:25:37.180 Who cares?

00:25:38.180 Here's the bottom line.

00:25:39.180 Stop getting so offended.

00:25:40.180 If you see everything through the lens of race, that's your problem.

00:25:43.180 That's not Sydney Sweeney's problem. 0.82

00:25:45.180 I agree with Jedediah.

00:25:48.180 Getting offended, the way I think, even if somebody's insulting you in your face and yelling

00:25:55.180 at you and screaming, getting offended says more about you than them because their anger

00:26:03.180 is their problem, but your anger is also your problem.

00:26:06.180 That's not American Eagle's problem.

00:26:08.180 If you see everything through the lens of misogyny, it's the same conversation over and

00:26:12.180 over again.

00:26:13.180 You know what?

00:26:14.180 You know what?

00:26:15.180 Can I ask a question?

00:26:16.180 Hang on.

00:26:17.180 Don't all talk at once.

00:26:18.180 Don't all talk at once.

00:26:19.180 No, I'm going to come to Anastasia. 0.59

00:26:21.180 Anastasia, here's the problem.

00:26:22.180 The Democrats have just polled at record loads, right?

00:26:26.180 They are incredibly unpopular.

00:26:28.180 And I can tell you one of the reasons why.

00:26:31.180 It's things like this.

00:26:32.180 The reason Donald Trump got re-elected is partly the economy, partly immigration, but

00:26:39.180 also partly the culture wars, which the liberal left, the woke left, tried so dementedly to

00:26:46.180 fuel and fire for so many years, behaving like a bunch of insane fascists.

00:26:52.180 And it comes down to stuff like this, where most people watch this ad and see it for what

00:26:57.180 it is, a harmless ad with a hot actress selling jeans. 0.98

00:27:01.180 But in the prism of the woke left, which I assume you would identify as, but correct me

00:27:06.180 if I'm wrong, you look at it and see it as an obvious example of Nazism, eugenics, white

00:27:13.180 supremacy, and you hate it and despise it.

00:27:16.180 And anyone who likes it must be cancelled.

00:27:19.180 And that's the problem with the woke left.

00:27:23.180 That's why nobody wants to vote for anyone who identifies with the woke left.

00:27:27.180 That's why Trump won.

00:27:28.180 And no one on the left in the woke left seems to understand that it's exactly this kind of

00:27:34.180 thing that is the reason that nobody wants to vote for it.

00:27:38.180 Over to you.

00:27:40.180 Yeah, I hear where you're coming from.

00:27:42.180 And I think that kind of strong narratives between, you know, woke left kind of hijacking

00:27:48.180 everything is part of a narrative of labeling people and not allowing nuance and context of

00:27:54.180 what is actually happening here.

00:27:55.180 So I'm not really interested in being inflammatory around the subject.

00:27:59.180 Neither do I think that this particular campaign is a propaganda campaign for eugenics.

00:28:04.180 But I am interested in thinking about the power of media and representation in our culture

00:28:09.180 and what it means for somebody who engages with this ad who doesn't look like me.

00:28:14.180 And as a marketer, I know that actually it is American Eagle's problem that that is a reaction of their customer base,

00:28:22.180 which is younger people and particularly younger girls.

00:28:26.180 And as a marketer, I know it's a responsibility of the brand to understand their audience,

00:28:31.180 to understand their worldview, the way that they form their associations and connect with them.

00:28:36.180 Women just say a lot of words, but say nothing, nothing at all. 1.00

00:28:40.180 Speak to them in a way that resonates.

00:28:43.180 So it's absolutely-

00:28:44.180 Well, let me respond to that.

00:28:46.180 Today's show is brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and found out

00:28:51.180 one model was pictured wearing a colostomy bag, another was photographed with her arm in crutches,

00:28:56.180 one woman posed in her wheelchair, and it did nothing for sales.

00:29:00.180 So from a marketing point of view, it didn't work.

00:29:03.180 Now you have a hot woman who is none of those things, who is just a hot woman, 1.00

00:29:10.180 like the old advertising used to use all the time, along with hot men.

00:29:14.180 I remember the Calvin Klein gene ads with men.

00:29:17.180 Yeah.

00:29:18.180 You know, I want to go to a movie or a sea of models and I want them to make me feel bad

00:29:24.180 about myself.

00:29:25.180 I want to look at them and say, wow, I am not shit.

00:29:27.180 And that's how I used to feel as a kid.

00:29:29.180 But nowadays, I guess it's kind of nice.

00:29:32.180 Women complain so much that they're putting ugly people as models. 1.00

00:29:37.180 What a time.

00:29:38.180 Topless selling buckets of jeans.

00:29:40.180 And guess what?

00:29:41.180 Sales are up 30%.

00:29:43.180 So you as a marketer should say, well done, American Eagle.

00:29:47.180 You've stopped being ridiculously woke, you know, trying to sell to very small groups of

00:29:52.180 people and ignoring the mass majority who are going to buy your jeans.

00:29:56.180 And now you've gone route one using sex and femininity to sell jeans. 1.00

00:30:02.180 And by the way, they don't care if she's white or black or anything else.

00:30:07.180 They just care that she's hot. 1.00

00:30:09.180 And Beyonce sold jeans.

00:30:11.180 That was a great campaign.

00:30:12.180 That worked really well because she's a hot black woman. 1.00

00:30:15.180 And the moment you try and read in all this other stuff.

00:30:18.180 I mean, you say you don't want to be inflammatory.

00:30:20.180 You literally said it was one of the most outrageously racist marketing campaigns ever.

00:30:26.180 What could be more inflammatory than that?

00:30:28.180 Well, let me correct you, Pierce.

00:30:29.180 I feel like this is just like a Twitter space argument in real life.

00:30:35.180 It's like people arguing over nothing.

00:30:38.180 I said that I've seen in recent years, I'm very careful with my words.

00:30:41.180 So I did not paint this picture of this being a racist ad, you know, ever.

00:30:46.180 But I do think and I think I've explained the way that representation works and the way that I see it working within this ad.

00:30:52.180 Now, I would love to see the evidence for the 30% sales spike.

00:30:56.180 I personally have not seen it.

00:30:57.180 Neither I have seen, you know, anyone in the marketing community share it.

00:31:00.180 So I would love to see it and the source for that.

00:31:04.180 However, there is a question of ethics and there is a question of ethical guardrails in marketing.

00:31:11.180 I understand that in 2020 or whenever brands were responding to the cultural moment of post 2020 impulse to increase representation, diversity, etc.

00:31:22.180 And perhaps those campaigns were not commercially successful.

00:31:26.180 Now, do I think that commercial outcomes justify any kind of campaign that implies anything out there just because it drives sales?

00:31:35.180 Well, no, as a marketer, I am interested in driving business results.

00:31:39.180 Can you imagine?

00:31:41.180 There's people starving right now.

00:31:43.180 Watching people complain about an ad.

00:31:47.180 People like dying in other countries.

00:31:50.180 They're like in war zones.

00:31:52.180 And what gets airtime is an ad.

00:31:54.180 On top of this, this is a low cut top for TV.

00:31:57.180 Women just have the audacity. 1.00

00:32:01.180 She's beautiful, to be honest.

00:32:03.180 She's a very pretty woman.

00:32:04.180 I see why she's there.

00:32:06.180 She's barely talked.

00:32:07.180 She doesn't have to, right?

00:32:10.180 That's an upper tier e-girl in terms of looks. 1.00

00:32:13.180 I would put her as like whoever this is.

00:32:16.180 That's I deem her the new hottest e-girl on the right. 1.00

00:32:19.180 I deem her.

00:32:20.180 But also thinking about the ethics of representation and what kind of messages are young girls and children, frankly, consuming when they log on to their Instagram or TikTok and keep swiping.

00:32:32.180 And again, I said I take more balanced approach to this.

00:32:35.180 I do not think it was intentional propaganda, as I have already said.

00:32:39.180 But I do think that there are some codes within this marketing media communications, which is a unit of media that are concerning in the way that they are implying that good grade genes are represented by someone like Sweeney.

00:32:56.180 Now, other co-panelists mentioned, if another particular model of other kind of background or maybe multiple models were featured, there's likely would not be an uproar.

00:33:08.180 And that is because that kind of messaging carries cultural baggage, as I've mentioned.

00:33:14.180 What is cultural baggage?

00:33:17.180 I'm German and Irish.

00:33:19.180 What would be my cultural baggage?

00:33:22.180 Is reflective of the history of racism in this country.

00:33:26.180 No, that's not why.

00:33:27.180 And the way that people...

00:33:28.180 Because she's... 1.00

00:33:29.180 Hang on.

00:33:30.180 Hang on.

00:33:31.180 Hang on.

00:33:32.180 Hang on.

00:33:33.180 Because she's white and got blue eyes. 1.00

00:33:35.180 Is that why?

00:33:37.180 Because the verbal cues surrounding this terminology that carries a lot of cultural weight, such as offspring, gray genes, are paired with these other signifiers that are very specific.

00:33:50.180 blue, blue eyes, blonde skin, et cetera.

00:33:54.180 And you have to understand that this is just a reality of how our brains work.

00:33:58.180 We move for life and we develop these conceptional and mental maps based in the media.

00:34:02.180 So you don't like it because she's white and got blue eyes. 1.00

00:34:04.180 All right.

00:34:05.180 That's not why, though.

00:34:06.180 Debra Lee, hang on.

00:34:07.180 Hang on.

00:34:08.180 Hang on.

00:34:09.180 Hang on.

00:34:10.180 Because if it was a black girl, they wouldn't care. 1.00

00:34:11.180 They'd be like, yes, queen.

00:34:12.180 Especially if she was fat. 1.00

00:34:13.180 If she was fat, she would be on the cover of a magazine. 1.00

00:34:17.180 Well, hang on.

00:34:20.180 Hang on.

00:34:21.180 We're going to go in the right order.

00:34:22.180 I'm going to ask Debra Lee.

00:34:23.180 Debra Lee, I mean, ultimately, we got to the real problem.

00:34:26.180 She's white and got blue eyes. 1.00

00:34:28.180 Since when was that a crime to use a white, blue eyed woman who's hot and an actress to sell products? 1.00

00:34:35.180 Happens all the time, as it does with black actresses all the time. 1.00

00:34:40.180 I'd say somewhere in the last five to six years, the oldest marketing ploy from the beginning of time is sex sells.

00:34:48.180 Every single person knows that.

00:34:49.180 And the problem with the left and everybody who's offended by this is they extrapolate.

00:34:53.180 It's not just this situation.

00:34:54.180 They hear somebody say, I love being thin.

00:34:57.180 And they go, oh, so you hate fat people?

00:34:59.180 Sydney Sweeney saying she has good genes, which there's a lot that goes into having good genes we don't know about.

00:35:04.180 Maybe she doesn't have any history of family illness.

00:35:06.180 She has very low visceral fat. Like you said, Pierce, great skin, didn't need braces. 0.99

00:35:10.180 It's much more than just having blonde hair and blue eyes.

00:35:13.180 OK, but to say that Sydney Sweeney has good genes means now we're saying that all these other people don't have good genes.

00:35:18.180 Relax. Why do you have to always get offended by every single thing?

00:35:21.180 Nobody's saying that.

00:35:22.180 And let's just go back to what was it?

00:35:24.180 Abercrombie that had the shirtless models outside of all of their offices.

00:35:28.180 It's the same people that are offended by the Sydney Sweeney ad that were dreaming and praying to end up with one of those shirtless models.

00:35:34.180 Society has progressed too far in the sense where now every single person needs to be put on everything to find value.

00:35:41.180 OK, Marta Monhill, I remember a model called Tess Holliday being the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine. 0.98

00:35:48.180 She was three hundred and five pounds and five foot two. 0.98

00:35:52.180 And the whole piece was about how incredibly empowering this was and what an example of body positivity it was.

00:36:00.180 But in fact, it was unbelievably dangerous promotion of morbid obesity.

00:36:06.180 That's what it was.

00:36:07.180 Because if you're three hundred and five pounds at five foot two, you are dangerously fat and you are more likely than not to die from the repercussions of being that size.

00:36:17.180 And yet the woke left went, look at this.

00:36:20.180 Isn't this fantastic?

00:36:21.180 And yet here you have a model who's not super slim, Sydney Sweeney.

00:36:27.180 She's got a very rounded, normal body. 0.59

00:36:31.180 Right. She's not like a stick insect supermodel. 1.00

00:36:34.180 And she looks hot and she's wearing jeans and she happens to be white and happens to have blue eyes. 1.00

00:36:41.180 To try and turn this into a racial thing or to compare it to the Nazis, even by woke standards, seems to me ridiculous.

00:36:51.180 OK, first, just for clarity, Sydney Sweeney is a size zero.

00:36:56.180 So even when we say that someone is a normal size, that suggests that the.

00:37:03.180 Yeah, but what's wrong with being a size zero?

00:37:05.180 It's better than being a size 14, which is like the average dress size of American women. 1.00

00:37:10.180 Average person is a size zero.

00:37:12.180 The average person, the average woman in this country is not.

00:37:14.180 So at all moments when we make these observations that seem neutral, we're actually assigning a value.

00:37:20.180 So if I am a size eight as a woman and you just said on national TV is the most important, coolest, most handsome host in the history of television.

00:37:29.180 If you say that it's normal to be a size zero, then yeah, when I'm a size eight now, I feel like something's wrong with my body.

00:37:35.180 Similarly, similarly.

00:37:36.180 So she doesn't.

00:37:37.180 She doesn't look normal to you, Sydney Sweeney.

00:37:40.180 She looks normal.

00:37:42.180 30 seconds, by the way, for interruption.

00:37:44.180 Great.

00:37:45.180 You're on a new record.

00:37:46.180 I think she looks normal.

00:37:48.180 Wow, you're really touchy today.

00:37:50.180 I think.

00:37:51.180 OK, Pearson's kind of gaslighting this guy.

00:37:54.180 I hate it.

00:37:55.180 I've gone on the opposite panels.

00:37:56.180 They don't let you talk.

00:37:58.180 I've had, you know, similar experiences.

00:38:00.180 I'm teasing you, Piers.

00:38:01.180 I'm just very, very upset about the world, you know, and I need a hug from you and you're

00:38:07.180 not in the studio with me.

00:38:08.180 Well, there are more important things to be worried about than Sydney bloody Sweeney.

00:38:12.180 Trust me.

00:38:13.180 Honestly.

00:38:14.180 I agree.

00:38:15.180 There is literally war.

00:38:16.180 There is war raging around the world.

00:38:17.180 There is famine.

00:38:18.180 I agree.

00:38:19.180 Right?

00:38:20.180 I agree.

00:38:21.180 And you're getting your knickers in a massive twist about Sydney Sweeney.

00:38:24.180 That's actually where I'm going.

00:38:25.180 Piers, that's actually where I'm going, right?

00:38:27.180 I mean, this conversation started with.

00:38:28.180 How did you know her dress size and not her hair color?

00:38:32.180 Because I just Googled it when he said it and it comes up because I just typed Sydney

00:38:36.180 Sweeney dress size and it says Sydney Sweeney typically wears a size 23, which is equivalent

00:38:39.180 to US size zero.

00:38:40.180 I looked it up to make an argument while he was talking.

00:38:43.180 Google is amazing in that way.

00:38:44.180 I had no desire to do it with the ad because it wasn't my point.

00:38:47.180 As a scholar, my point was to see how the audience receives something, not how I, at a meta level,

00:38:52.180 can look at it.

00:38:53.180 She's not a size zero, by the way. 0.97

00:38:54.180 I, as an admiral of the female form, she is not a size zero.

00:38:59.180 Yeah.

00:39:00.180 I would have guessed like a four.

00:39:02.180 You're right.

00:39:03.180 No, you know what?

00:39:04.180 She might be because they've been making the sizes bigger for fat women because fat women 1.00

00:39:09.180 can't cope.

00:39:10.180 They keep getting fatter.

00:39:11.180 And so instead of losing weight, they make the sizes.

00:39:14.180 They like inflate the sizes.

00:39:16.180 So now I'd like to respond to the actual point.

00:39:19.180 That's just no way.

00:39:20.180 I concede.

00:39:21.180 Whatever size she is, my point is to say any woman has a normal size. 1.00

00:39:25.180 It assigns a value.

00:39:26.180 And I'm not saying-

00:39:27.180 White guilt is millennial BS.

00:39:29.180 ...wrong about your value.

00:39:32.180 I'm saying we're always articulating values when we say things.

00:39:35.180 Putting a 300 pound woman on a cover is not in and of itself a problem. 1.00

00:39:40.180 If I put a 300 pound woman on a cover and say, that's the healthy body, I'm implicitly saying 0.96

00:39:45.180 that other bodies are not.

00:39:46.180 And to your point, I think that might be problematic.

00:39:48.180 At the beginning of this conversation, Debra, I think your name is Debra.

00:39:51.180 Forgive me if I got your name wrong.

00:39:53.180 I think you-

00:39:54.180 He's even polite to the hottie.

00:39:56.180 He would bitch out Jedediah, but the hot girl, like, look at her. 1.00

00:40:01.180 Look at her.

00:40:02.180 She's so pretty.

00:40:03.180 He's, he's, the men are charmed.

00:40:06.180 That's why we start to hate these young broads. 1.00

00:40:14.180 I mean, I hate her.

00:40:15.180 You know what I mean?

00:40:17.180 Cause I gotta go through all this work of being nice and like, you know, learning to

00:40:27.180 debate and all this stuff.

00:40:28.180 Look at her.

00:40:29.180 Look at that smile.

00:40:30.180 Look at it.

00:40:31.180 I mean, she looks beautiful.

00:40:32.180 It's like, yeah, screw you.

00:40:35.180 The river to the sea, right?

00:40:38.180 The river to the sea is not in and of itself.

00:40:41.180 Those words to me are not genocidal.

00:40:43.180 I know they're not genocidal, but for you, to you, you hear it differently.

00:40:47.180 Why?

00:40:48.180 Because you're looking at history.

00:40:49.180 You're looking at context.

00:40:50.180 You're looking at intent.

00:40:52.180 You're looking at action and you're making a different judgment.

00:40:55.180 Your judgment's wrong.

00:40:56.180 That statement is absolutely not Gaza needs to be free.

00:40:59.180 No, it's not.

00:41:00.180 It comes from the literal charter, from the river to the sea, we must genocide all Jews. 1.00

00:41:04.180 So no, I'm not looking at context.

00:41:06.180 I'm looking at the literal Hamas charter and what these people believe.

00:41:09.180 That would be context.

00:41:10.180 Never.

00:41:11.180 Okay.

00:41:12.180 Again, allow me to finish.

00:41:13.180 I never interrupted you.

00:41:14.180 The Hamas charter would be context.

00:41:15.180 That's my point.

00:41:16.180 You're looking, you're not looking just at the words.

00:41:18.180 You're looking at other pieces of evidence.

00:41:19.180 That's called context.

00:41:20.180 You're literally making my point.

00:41:21.180 My point to you is—

00:41:22.180 Because words have meaning.

00:41:23.180 Words don't just mean nothing.

00:41:24.180 Yes.

00:41:25.180 And so do—

00:41:26.180 And so do—

00:41:28.180 Listen to me.

00:41:29.180 Words do have meaning.

00:41:31.180 And the meaning isn't just about literal decoding.

00:41:33.180 It's also about the meanings that are encoded into words.

00:41:36.180 It's about the history.

00:41:38.180 It's about other factors.

00:41:39.180 And I'm telling you, the same way you're telling me as a Jewish person, there are certain

00:41:43.180 words, certain images, certain tropes that impact you because of the history of anti-Semitism.

00:41:47.180 I'm telling you that the same history of anti-white supremacy that makes anti-Semitism so ugly

00:41:52.180 also makes anti-black racism so ugly.

00:41:54.180 I didn't tell you I was offended by this argument.

00:41:56.180 You keep saying—you said get a job and stop being offended.

00:41:58.180 I think we all have jobs here, and I don't think any of us are offended, per se.

00:42:01.180 I think the issue—

00:42:02.180 I wasn't speaking just to you.

00:42:03.180 I was speaking to the people offended by this.

00:42:05.180 If you have time to make TikTok videos complaining about a woman in an ad, you probably

00:42:10.180 don't have bigger things to care about.

00:42:11.180 I got you.

00:42:12.180 I got you.

00:42:13.180 I like that comment.

00:42:14.180 I like her.

00:42:15.180 She's spicy, too.

00:42:16.180 She's got a little sass. 1.00

00:42:18.180 There are much bigger problems.

00:42:20.180 I agree.

00:42:21.180 All right.

00:42:22.180 Let me bring in Jedediah for the final word on this.

00:42:25.180 Jedediah, it seems to me, honestly, if I was running a marketing campaign for a big

00:42:30.180 company now involved in, I don't know, leisure or beauty or fashion, whatever, I would just

00:42:35.180 be deliberately goading the woke left now in a smart, funny way.

00:42:40.180 I would just do it—

00:42:41.180 One hundred percent.

00:42:42.180 I would do it all the time.

00:42:43.180 I would let them throw all their toys out of a stroller and then just increase sales

00:42:48.180 and just laugh my head off.

00:42:49.180 Because this censorious, puritanical bullshit is over.

00:42:54.180 I've written a book called Woke is Dead, which is coming out in October.

00:42:59.180 I think it'll be a massive bestseller because you know what?

00:43:02.180 People are sick of it.

00:43:03.180 They are sick of being told what they can laugh at, what they can admire.

00:43:09.180 They're sick of being told they can't look at a beautiful white woman without being accused

00:43:13.180 of being a Nazi. 0.52

00:43:14.180 It's ridiculous.

00:43:15.180 You are one hundred percent correct.

00:43:17.180 And every company should do that because there is a group of woke leftists who are outraged

00:43:23.180 by just about everything that sit on the sidelines and they just wait.

00:43:26.180 They wait for an opportunity and then they jump and they go completely insane.

00:43:30.180 And the vast majority of the country does not feel that way.

00:43:33.180 The vast majority of the country does not see everything through a lens of how they can

00:43:37.180 be offended.

00:43:38.180 They looked at the ad.

00:43:39.180 They saw a young hot girl. 0.99

00:43:40.180 They said, oh, she does have good genes. 1.00

00:43:41.180 They laughed about it.

00:43:42.180 They went and had a day.

00:43:43.180 They went and had a normal day.

00:43:45.180 They didn't get all rancid inside.

00:43:48.180 And the bottom line is, it's so interesting to me because these people think they're somehow

00:43:53.180 these woke leftists think they're winning.

00:43:54.180 They think that by getting all riled up, they are winning the game and they don't realize

00:43:58.180 that they're constantly-

00:43:59.180 Well, you know the irony.

00:44:00.180 You know the irony, Jedediah?

00:44:02.180 Here's the irony.

00:44:04.180 The irony is in their attempt to portray everybody as white supremacists.

00:44:10.180 The woke left have an inbuilt superiority complex.

00:44:14.180 They think they are better and superior to everybody else.

00:44:18.180 Right?

00:44:19.180 And it doesn't matter whether the woke left or white, black, whatever.

00:44:21.180 Not only that.

00:44:22.180 But they have an inbuilt superiority.

00:44:23.180 And now I'm afraid it doesn't work because we've now seen Donald Trump get reelected by

00:44:30.180 defying everything they stood for.

00:44:32.180 But not only that, Pierce, what's important to note is that the people who created this ad

00:44:37.180 were not creating a racist ad.

00:44:39.180 But the people who saw racism and eugenics and Nazism in this ad, maybe they should self-examine.

00:44:44.180 Why do they see everything through the lens of race?

00:44:47.180 Why are they outraged by this ad with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl?

00:44:51.180 But if you put, you know, a black girl, if you put a Spanish girl, there would be no outrage.

00:44:56.180 Why is everything that they see from the perspective of jumping into outrage?

00:45:02.180 No one in the history of the West has ever argued that black people have superior genes.

00:45:05.180 The Enlightenment era was built on the idea that white people have superior genes. 0.72

00:45:09.180 Mark, people have been saying for months—

00:45:11.180 The impression of aesthetics is built on the idea that white people have superior bodies.

00:45:13.180 Every piece of aesthetics, a philosophy, a systemology—

00:45:15.180 Mark, that is untrue.

00:45:16.180 What you're saying is untrue.

00:45:18.180 There has been a massive—hold on a second.

00:45:20.180 There has been a massive battle in this country about obesity for the longest time.

00:45:25.180 You now have the condemnation of thin people.

00:45:27.180 You have the elevation of obese people.

00:45:29.180 You have campaigns, Cosmopolitan Magazine, magazines across the country saying fat is healthy.

00:45:34.180 Fat is the new skinny.

00:45:36.180 All the time, no one says a peep.

00:45:39.180 People in your camp do not say a peep about that because it's not on the list of things that outrages them.

00:45:45.180 This annoys all the right people.

00:45:47.180 This is a thin woman. 1.00

00:45:49.180 It annoys the fat girl. 1.00

00:45:50.180 I'm not talking about skinny, ma'am, ma'am.

00:45:51.180 Just hear me out.

00:45:52.180 I'm not talking about skinny.

00:45:53.180 Same conversation, Mark.

00:45:55.180 No, it's not.

00:45:56.180 You just happen to be outraged about something different today.

00:45:58.180 Today, it's about race and eugenics.

00:46:00.180 Tomorrow, it's about obesity.

00:46:02.180 There's always something for the woke left to be outraged about because they're always offended.

00:46:06.180 They've always got their families in a bunch because they're so darn sensitive about everything.

00:46:10.180 They are not representative of the public.

00:46:12.180 Okay.

00:46:13.180 Last word to you, Mark.

00:46:14.180 I'm on hell.

00:46:15.180 Otherwise, you'll be reporting me.

00:46:16.180 Again, I'm not outraged.

00:46:17.180 I'm not outraged.

00:46:18.180 Number one.

00:46:19.180 And number two, I point out a history of white supremacist logics and cultures that show that white lives, white bodies, white experiences are better. 0.71

00:46:27.180 You pointed to the recent-

00:46:29.180 This is not about history.

00:46:30.180 Please let me finish.

00:46:31.180 You pointed to the influx of fat people on ads as a piece of counter evidence.

00:46:36.180 I'm not disputing your argument about fat people.

00:46:38.180 I'm not disputing your argument about skinny people.

00:46:40.180 All I'm saying is that-

00:46:41.180 I know what you're saying.

00:46:43.180 You said it.

00:46:44.180 I'm saying, now let me say it.

00:46:45.180 I'm saying that there's a history of white people being superior in terms of how we understand them in this country. 0.99

00:46:50.180 So you're only mad at Sidney's wife.

00:46:52.180 You don't care about the good G-line. 0.75

00:46:53.180 So let me ask you this question.

00:46:55.180 Let me ask you a question.

00:46:57.180 If a group of people had said, hey, I believe that this ad is antisemitic, would you have said similarly, get over yourself, stop fighting antisemitism everywhere?

00:47:05.180 Yes.

00:47:06.180 Would you have said that?

00:47:07.180 Yes.

00:47:08.180 I would have said get over yourself.

00:47:13.180 It's not antisemitic.

00:47:14.180 Would you say-

00:47:15.180 They're just cooking them.

00:47:17.180 They're just cooking.

00:47:18.180 This is the dumbest argument.

00:47:20.180 I hate that this stuff gets views.

00:47:22.180 There's some stuff as a YouTuber you have to cover and you just think, who cares?

00:47:27.180 Do you know what I mean?

00:47:28.180 You're like, all right, this is trending.

00:47:29.180 I got to do it.

00:47:31.180 But who cares?

00:47:34.180 If anything, I think Sidney Sweeney wasn't hot enough.

00:47:37.180 I think we need to get Megan Fox's back.

00:47:40.180 I would have done.

00:47:41.180 We've got to leave it there.

00:47:43.180 I think you're consistent and wrong on all these.

00:47:46.180 I think you're consistent.

00:47:47.180 You're wrong all the time, but you're consistent.

00:47:49.180 All right.

00:47:50.180 Let's see.

00:47:51.180 I think there's one more debate panel I wanted to see.

00:47:53.180 Let me see what the, let me go to his page and see the most popular clips.

00:47:58.180 Let's do this one.

00:47:59.180 Why do you want these people to destroy your theology if you're Catholic, sir?

00:48:08.180 They're going after your theology on the public stage.

00:48:11.180 What is wrong with you?

00:48:12.180 You're not a Catholic. 0.83

00:48:13.180 You're a pretender.

00:48:14.180 You're not a Catholic. 0.83

00:48:15.180 Give me a break.

00:48:16.180 What is wrong with you?

00:48:17.180 You're not a Catholic. 0.83

00:48:18.180 Give me a break.

00:48:19.180 What is wrong with you?

00:48:20.180 Sidney Sweeney left.

00:48:21.180 Ernest Owens off the charts woke.

00:48:23.180 Wow.

00:48:24.180 Okay.

00:48:25.180 That just made me laugh.

00:48:27.180 I shouldn't probably have read that out, but it was very funny.

00:48:30.180 Anyway, that's how you're all seen.

00:48:33.180 And it made me chuckle.

00:48:35.180 Let's start with you, Andrew Wilson.

00:48:37.180 So from a musical perspective, I've read a lot of reviews this morning about this.

00:48:42.180 Full disclosure, I'm good friends with Andrew Lloyd Webber.

00:48:45.180 I think he's a complete genius.

00:48:47.180 Jesus Christ Superstar when it came out in the 70s was deliberately designed to be very provocative, as we know,

00:48:53.180 but it's never been as provocative as this performance.

00:48:56.180 What is your response to it?

00:48:58.180 I mean, from a musical perspective, it's been heralded as a great triumph,

00:49:02.180 but obviously many feel it's crossed the line.

00:49:06.180 Oh, wait.

00:49:07.180 I've seen that play.

00:49:09.180 Oh my gosh.

00:49:10.180 My friend directed this play.

00:49:14.180 What do you think?

00:49:15.180 Oh, it's been heralded as a great triumph, has it?

00:49:17.180 When are they going to do Muhammad on ice? 0.98

00:49:19.180 So what they do is they're banking on the fact that there is a Christian pacifism 0.53

00:49:25.180 and that we won't give the sorts of violent pushback that they would get if they were mocking other religions.

00:49:30.180 So they kind of bank on that.

00:49:32.180 What this is, is this is homosexual infiltration, once again, of the church. 0.85

00:49:36.180 This is what they do.

00:49:37.180 This is all they do.

00:49:38.180 This is a glad award, Nosferatu looking chick. 1.00

00:49:41.180 And here's what they did.

00:49:43.180 They didn't just get everything wrong.

00:49:45.180 They didn't even include the resurrection, any of the Christian themes.

00:49:49.180 The whole thing is a total mockery.

00:49:52.180 And who cares?

00:49:53.180 It is kind of woke.

00:49:55.180 A friend of mine directed it.

00:49:57.180 So he's really cool.

00:49:59.180 But yeah, it's pretty woke.

00:50:01.180 A bunch of liberal, you know, a bunch of liberals write up.

00:50:05.180 Oh, this was great.

00:50:06.180 This was a musical masterpiece.

00:50:08.180 Of course they're going to say that.

00:50:10.180 That's what they do.

00:50:11.180 That's how propaganda works.

00:50:12.180 This entire thing was designed to attack Christianity. 0.99

00:50:16.180 And it's always that way.

00:50:17.180 That's the way it always is.

00:50:20.180 Ernest, I saw you perform one of the great eye rolls in Uncensored History just then.

00:50:25.180 But I do think Andrew has a point.

00:50:27.180 There's absolutely zero chance that Hollywood would have staged a musical like this, which openly mocked the tenets of Islam, for example.

00:50:37.180 I think that Jesus Christ Superstar and its creation, the whole title, the whole, have you ever seen it?

00:50:43.180 Have you actually seen it, Andrew?

00:50:45.180 Like, have you actually seen it?

00:50:46.180 Everything that you're saying would actually be argued that it's already been done.

00:50:52.180 Like, no children are watching this to learn about Christ.

00:50:56.180 The type of people that you're thinking of that would be offended by this would probably not even spend the kind of money to watch this show live

00:51:05.180 and would not have any interest to watch it just because they know that it is an adult themed musical

00:51:11.180 that is meant to be provocative since it was in its inception for decades.

00:51:15.180 It's meant to mock Christianity, right? 1.00

00:51:17.180 I mean, you can say that.

00:51:19.180 Isn't it?

00:51:20.180 I'd be satirical.

00:51:21.180 It's meant to mock Christianity. 0.99

00:51:23.180 Just be honest about it.

00:51:24.180 That's your opinion.

00:51:25.180 Just be honest and say, Andrew, it's meant to mock Christianity. 0.97

00:51:27.180 It's not for you Christians to watch. 1.00

00:51:29.180 We're mocking you.

00:51:30.180 That's what we're doing.

00:51:31.180 That's what the point is.

00:51:32.180 Well, I mean, if you have a taste of satire and humor.

00:51:37.180 I didn't think it was mocking when I saw it.

00:51:39.180 I can't remember being offended.

00:51:41.180 I just remember the music was really good.

00:51:44.180 Maybe it was a different one.

00:51:45.180 I don't know.

00:51:46.180 I appreciate that as a Christian.

00:51:48.180 I think a lot of people who know Cynthia Erivo, she sings gospel phenomenally well.

00:51:52.180 She's an incredible singer and she's done several different types of shows and she has a range of that.

00:51:57.180 And so for anybody who wants to take this seriously, make a culture war out of it.

00:52:01.180 I mean, is this the case for council culture?

00:52:03.180 I don't think the argument here is that Christians are allergic to humor.

00:52:07.180 I think the argument here is that it's clear.

00:52:09.180 It's clear that you would never do this with the Dalai Lama, for example, or with Muhammad. 0.89

00:52:15.180 And because you'd get killed.

00:52:19.180 There's one group I've pissed off a lot of groups in my day.

00:52:22.180 But if there's one group that I am not a fan of pissing off, that's I'm not even going to say their name because you guys scare me.

00:52:31.180 You do like religion.

00:52:33.180 They're like, we're the religion of peace.

00:52:34.180 And I'm like, then why am I scared?

00:52:37.180 Why am I getting death threats?

00:52:39.180 Why am I scared for the fun?

00:52:41.180 Thank you, Corey.

00:52:42.180 I appreciate the donation.

00:52:44.180 I appreciate you.

00:52:45.180 I think that's where people take issue with it.

00:52:48.180 And actually, the original Jesus Christ Superstar was quite consistent with what happened in the Bible in terms of the theology behind it.

00:52:57.180 This is just basically a bold black.

00:52:59.180 I mean, they could have at least put a wig on her. 1.00

00:53:01.180 It's so weird seeing her have the crown of thorns on her head.

00:53:04.180 And it's just basically this bold, shiny head.

00:53:06.180 They're clearly taking the mickey out of what actually happened.

00:53:09.180 And on the point about the homosexual infiltration, I'm sorry, I just thought, I think the Catholic priests beat this play there a few decades ago on that front.

00:53:18.180 Oh, did they?

00:53:19.180 Yeah, I did.

00:53:20.180 Did they beat it like the public schools beat it?

00:53:23.180 Who have hundreds of times the rate of sexual molestation of children? 1.00

00:53:28.180 So, I mean, when you talk about predators, for instance, guess what?

00:53:32.180 Predators go where their children are. 1.00

00:53:34.180 This is no exception for secular institutions like public schools.

00:53:37.180 So, I don't know why you people use this as a talking point.

00:53:39.180 It's a terrible one.

00:53:40.180 That was really funny.

00:53:47.180 True.

00:53:48.180 Mike Nellis.

00:53:49.180 Let me bring in Mike Nellis.

00:53:52.180 I'm going to say this, you know, as a...

00:53:55.180 They're claiming white people can't say great genes is exposing their inferiority complex.

00:54:01.180 YouTube won't let me put white plus guilt together.

00:54:06.180 Wow.

00:54:07.180 That's bullshit.

00:54:08.180 As a Christian, I'm a Catholic, right?

00:54:11.180 I do think one of the best things about my religion is that we can laugh at ourselves.

00:54:16.180 Right?

00:54:17.180 We can self-lampoon.

00:54:19.180 I often laugh at some of the absurdities of my own church, for example.

00:54:24.180 And the fact that Christians have a better tolerance level for mockery than other religions is something to be proud of, isn't it? 1.00

00:54:31.180 Well, I think all the comparisons to Islam are really silly stuff.

00:54:35.180 And I'm going to say this as a practicing Catholic, if your faith is so fragile that you're offended about a black woman playing Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ superstar, you've got bigger problems than what was going on in the culture war.

00:54:45.180 Second, we've heard a lot of, you know, frankly, some really weird comments about like homosexual infiltration of American society.

00:54:50.180 Like Andrew over there is complaining about people praying on children.

00:54:53.180 I haven't seen Andrew say anything about Donald Trump being in the Epstein files or releasing the Epstein files on here.

00:54:58.180 So I don't really think that's a red herring.

00:55:02.180 Why do you want these people to destroy your theology if you're Catholic, sir?

00:55:06.180 They're going after your theology on the public stage.

00:55:09.180 They're taking out the resurrection, a romantic relationship between Jesus and Mary.

00:55:13.180 What is wrong with you?

00:55:14.180 You're not a Catholic. 0.83

00:55:15.180 You're a pretender.

00:55:16.180 What is wrong with you?

00:55:17.180 Give me a break.

00:55:18.180 Give me a break.

00:55:19.180 What is wrong with you that your faith is so weak that a play in Hollywood, that's going to be sure.

00:55:25.180 You are commanded to defend your faith, sir, as a Catholic.

00:55:28.180 I'm defending my faith right now.

00:55:30.180 You're going to defend it by rolling over and letting them kick you while you're down, huh?

00:55:33.180 That's you.

00:55:34.180 That's you defending the faith of Christ.

00:55:36.180 My faith is in practice.

00:55:37.180 And my faith is not going online and complaining about musicals and making it.

00:55:41.180 You're online complaining.

00:55:42.180 You're online complaining.

00:55:43.180 I was like, what are you doing now?

00:55:45.180 No, I'm actually not complaining about it right now.

00:55:48.180 How dare Christians be offended?

00:55:50.180 What's wrong with you?

00:55:51.180 You're a Catholic.

00:55:52.180 God, Andrew, he can beat anybody in a debate.

00:55:57.180 You're supposed to defend the faith?

00:55:59.180 Defend it.

00:56:00.180 I'll defend my faith right now.

00:56:01.180 Andrew, Andrew, let me jump in.

00:56:03.180 Let me jump in.

00:56:04.180 Andrew, Andrew, did you?

00:56:05.180 Hang on, Mike.

00:56:06.180 I'll come back to you.

00:56:07.180 But just life of Brian, Andrew, Monty Python.

00:56:10.180 Did you find that funny?

00:56:12.180 Today's show is brought to you by-

00:56:14.180 Okay.

00:56:15.180 Um, I just thought we'd watch that for a little bit.

00:56:19.180 Um, but we got through the reaction kind of quick today.

00:56:22.180 Um, I wanted to think if I had any other updates.

00:56:26.180 Not really.

00:56:28.180 If you guys have any requests for stuff to react to this week,

00:56:33.180 we're going to go back to normal programming tomorrow.

00:56:35.180 So we'll do like a call-in show.

00:56:37.180 It'll be at seven.

00:56:38.180 Um, thanks to everybody that donated today to the divorce documentary.

00:56:42.180 We're trying to raise enough money.

00:56:43.180 Um, thanks for watching it.

JustPearlyThings - August 10, 2025

Andrew Wilson Destroys Another Piers Morgan Panel ｜ Pearl Daily

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