JustPearlyThings - Andrew Wilson Returns to Pearl Daily ｜ Amouranth's Husband Calls in

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00:04:00.000 We're kind of going back about the question.

00:04:02.000 What the heck?

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00:04:06.000 What's in it for men?

00:04:08.000 So let me show you guys the documentary trailer.

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00:05:06.000 Now let's watch the trailer together.

00:05:08.000 This clip going viral online of a dozen women being asked the following question.

00:05:22.000 Do we need men?

00:05:24.000 Most answered very quickly.

00:05:26.000 No, because men are useless.

00:05:28.000 This headline from the hill, it caught my eye.

00:05:30.000 Most young men are single.

00:05:32.000 Most young women are not.

00:05:34.000 I have fallen faster than any demographic in America over the last 40 years.

00:05:38.000 It's a different world now.

00:05:39.000 Like we don't need men the way that they used to.

00:05:41.000 Nobody needs men.

00:05:42.000 The future is female.

00:05:45.000 Men and women are drifting further apart and society is crumbling because of it.

00:05:52.000 A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of merit.

00:05:55.000 You've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.

00:05:58.000 This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.

00:06:01.000 You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.

00:06:05.000 Marriage is a bond and it's a sacred bond.

00:06:08.000 It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.

00:06:11.000 Now many of the red pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.

00:06:16.000 Hannah Pearl Davis or just pearly things.

00:06:19.000 One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.

00:06:23.000 She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.

00:06:26.000 Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.

00:06:31.000 Gee, what could go wrong there?

00:06:33.000 Seventy-four percent or something of divorces are initiated by women.

00:06:37.000 Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.

00:06:40.000 Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.

00:06:42.000 I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.

00:06:47.000 Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse. You need no evidence.

00:06:52.000 When you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.

00:06:56.000 And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.

00:06:59.000 I interviewed them on the other side.

00:07:01.000 I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.

00:07:04.000 How much did you spend trying to get him back?

00:07:06.000 The legal fees alone was about $200,000.

00:07:08.000 Before you know it, you're homeless. You're literally just thrown out onto the street.

00:07:12.000 We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.

00:07:14.000 Wives are taught to leave their husbands.

00:07:16.000 And then daughters grow up without their fathers.

00:07:18.000 Family is the foundation of society.

00:07:20.000 Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.

00:07:23.000 A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.

00:07:27.000 Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women.

00:07:29.000 We tell women to date as many guys as possible.

00:07:31.000 We tell them to put off family into marriage.

00:07:33.000 You are allowed to leave your perfect husband.

00:07:36.000 You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.

00:07:40.000 Oh, freeze your eggs. Have an abortion.

00:07:42.000 What? You're evil.

00:07:43.000 I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.

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00:07:48.000 Like, if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic,

00:07:51.000 naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.

00:07:54.000 It's self-sabotage.

00:07:55.000 And that's the thing.

00:07:56.000 Like, women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.

00:07:59.000 This is not about happiness.

00:08:01.000 The most important thing is the children.

00:08:03.000 And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings.

00:08:07.000 Leave when I feel like it instead of doing what's best for the kids.

00:08:11.000 This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?

00:08:15.000 They think, well, men have all the rights. They have all the power.

00:08:18.000 Privileged patriarchal system that we have.

00:08:20.000 Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?

00:08:23.000 I have no friends, no wife, and no social life.

00:08:26.000 Men are alone in this situation. Men are homeless. Men are thinking about eating guns.

00:08:30.000 I've seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.

00:08:35.000 How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?

00:08:40.000 The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.

00:08:44.000 Women are helplessly dependent upon men.

00:08:47.000 The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose to alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.

00:08:54.000 Culture is telling men, you are no good. You've got to get your act together.

00:08:57.000 I think men have failed themselves.

00:08:59.000 What kind of a man are you? What kind of a woman are you going to attract?

00:09:02.000 If men are in trouble, so are women.

00:09:05.000 Everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it.

00:09:08.000 Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man for a kid.

00:09:11.000 500k, 300k, 200k.

00:09:13.000 Am I crazy?

00:09:14.000 Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man.

00:09:16.000 If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.

00:09:20.000 So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men? Women.

00:09:25.000 I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.

00:09:27.000 I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.

00:09:29.000 I'm over it.

00:09:30.000 When is it going to be my turn?

00:09:32.000 Where are we meeting the men that don't stop?

00:09:34.000 I can't keep having these same conversations.

00:09:36.000 The only simp here is you, Pearl. You simp for men.

00:09:38.000 No, I think you simp for women.

00:09:40.000 She's a provocateur. She says stupid stuff.

00:09:42.000 But Pearl is right about this.

00:09:43.000 It's already happening. It's just not out in the open yet.

00:09:46.000 Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairytale ending because men don't want a wife and women can't find a husband.

00:09:52.000 The future, if everybody follows your path, is there is no future.

00:09:56.000 We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.

00:09:59.000 Civilization will crumble.

00:10:01.000 The American story does not end well.

00:10:04.000 This is an existential crisis failing young men.

00:10:11.000 So the whole idea, the whole question of this documentary is really, you know, all these commentators.

00:10:17.000 And this is kind of what inspired the question I asked Andrew this weekend.

00:10:21.000 We had a debate where I just kept asking him the question, what do men get out of marriage?

00:10:27.000 And I kept seeing all these like the smartest people way smarter than me.

00:10:32.000 Right. And they're like, why is the birth rate falling?

00:10:35.000 Why is why are men dropping out of the workforce?

00:10:40.000 Why are men not going to school?

00:10:42.000 Why aren't they making as much money?

00:10:44.000 Like and these would be people that were so much smarter than me.

00:10:48.000 And I just keep asking the question, what does he get?

00:10:52.000 And until conservatives, the right, the left, whoever can answer that question, men naturally do a cost benefit analysis.

00:11:03.000 And the trends are just going to keep going the way they're going until they can answer this question and have a good answer.

00:11:09.000 Now, I really want to finish this documentary.

00:11:13.000 We've put together a lot of the footage the past few years.

00:11:20.000 The challenge was when we started, when we collected all this footage, we didn't really know what we were doing.

00:11:25.000 And if you go through this, a lot of this kind of looks like low budget.

00:11:29.000 And my goal is I really want to refilm this.

00:11:33.000 A lot of the interviews of guys we already had in and they'd be willing to come back, but just like a higher quality, a little bit more professional.

00:11:41.000 So it looks like a Netflix level, like a Netflix grade documentary.

00:11:47.000 The challenge is that's very, very expensive.

00:11:50.000 The quotes I've been given are half a million to a million dollars.

00:11:55.000 Now, we've we're considering doing it in house.

00:11:59.000 But again, you got to hire someone full time to do that in house.

00:12:04.000 And when we were demonetized a year and a half, to be honest, guys, it just really like it just really sucked.

00:12:11.000 Like we really had to put this on pause for like a year and a half.

00:12:14.000 And we put in so much work and do it was the unfortunate thing.

00:12:19.000 But so if you guys want to donate to this, it's the link.

00:12:25.000 The GoFundMe is in the description.

00:12:26.000 If you have a big donation that you want to make, you can email me just pearly things at gmail dot com.

00:12:32.000 Right now we're distributing directly.

00:12:34.000 We're in talks with some people to distribute through other platforms.

00:12:38.000 But right now we're just going to do it on our app, the Audacity Network.

00:12:42.000 We're open to other opportunities.

00:12:45.000 That's fine.

00:12:46.000 But a lot of people that have asked me have been asking about distribution.

00:12:51.000 But, yeah, if we want to get it done, that's really what it's going to cost.

00:12:56.000 I think maybe for 100 to like 200, we could finish like because we need to get a full time person on this.

00:13:05.000 And a lot of the good people are just expensive.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, so that's really that's really what we're doing with the documentary.

00:13:16.000 The I think right now we're at like 15000 and we had a decent donation.

00:13:22.000 Someone donated directly.

00:13:24.000 So anyways, the link to that's in the description if you want to donate.

00:13:28.000 All right.

00:13:29.000 Now we're going to talk to Andrew Wilson, the 304 Destroyer.

00:13:34.000 How's it going, Andrew?

00:13:36.000 Good.

00:13:37.000 Can you hear me OK?

00:13:38.000 I can hear you perfect.

00:13:39.000 How are you?

00:13:40.000 Good.

00:13:41.000 I'm doing really well.

00:13:42.000 Thanks for having me back.

00:13:43.000 I wanted to revisit the conversation we'd had.

00:13:46.000 Sure.

00:13:47.000 When I went out there in person, I thought we had kind of a bit of a spirited back and forth.

00:13:52.000 I know that we agree on a lot of descriptors, but some of the prescriptors I thought we could we could get into again after I was thinking about some of your points, especially.

00:14:02.000 So moving back, I wanted to start with this.

00:14:06.000 Do you agree with me that promiscuity in women is generally bad?

00:14:13.000 Sure.

00:14:14.000 You don't think that that's a good thing?

00:14:17.000 I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole because good and bad doesn't matter.

00:14:23.000 I'm in the business of predicting.

00:14:25.000 OK, OK.

00:14:26.000 So if I had to predict where it's going to go, women are going to keep getting promiscuous.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:14:32.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 So you're a predictive model.

00:14:34.000 I agree.

00:14:35.000 I get into like morals or ethics with you.

00:14:37.000 That's not what I mean by good or bad, like moral or immoral.

00:14:39.000 Right.

00:14:40.000 But like, is it bad for women generally to be promiscuous?

00:14:44.000 Like, does it lower their value structure?

00:14:47.000 Um, you could say that.

00:14:50.000 Yeah.

00:14:51.000 But I don't really always see promiscuous women have bad outcomes in real life, unfortunately.

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 Well, the thing is, is like, because if it is the case that you think that men are going to check out of society, they're going to, well, they're going to check out and become promiscuous because marriage is a raw deal.

00:15:09.000 Right.

00:15:10.000 Then you're actually assigning.

00:15:11.000 Well, some men don't care enough to even like, like some men are just going to check out.

00:15:16.000 They're not even going to try to get sex.

00:15:17.000 Yeah.

00:15:18.000 I agree.

00:15:19.000 I agree with that.

00:15:20.000 So, but wouldn't you be assigning these promiscuous women value then?

00:15:23.000 Wouldn't they actually be a valuable asset to society if it is the case that if men can't get married and can just play the field and have sex with tons of women?

00:15:31.000 Wouldn't they actually be very valuable to men then?

00:15:34.000 Why would they be valuable to men?

00:15:36.000 Well, because obviously men want to fuck them, right?

00:15:38.000 And if they're, if they're loose and willing to.

00:15:40.000 Well, men need sex, right?

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:42.000 That is a need for a guy.

00:15:43.000 So then these women would be valuable, right?

00:15:45.000 Well, I think if they were valuable, they'd marry them, wouldn't they?

00:15:49.000 Well, so yeah.

00:15:50.000 This is a fundamental question though.

00:15:52.000 If you're not going to marry.

00:15:53.000 That's the whole point.

00:15:54.000 If you're not going to marry them and you're just going to have sex with them, then the value is in the sex itself.

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:16:00.000 I mean, men do want to have sex.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 Yeah.

00:16:04.000 So then that would be what would make women valuable is that they were essentially, that they were hoes essentially would make them valuable.

00:16:10.000 I mean, they bring more value than the wives that are married and they don't sleep with their husbands.

00:16:15.000 You think hoes bring more value than wives?

00:16:18.000 Than ones that don't sleep with their husbands, which is really common.

00:16:22.000 Yeah.

00:16:23.000 Well, I went through and pulled a bunch of the stats, right?

00:16:27.000 So when it, especially when it comes to sexless marriages, that usually happens years into the marriage, over a decade, in fact, before that starts.

00:16:37.000 After the youngest kid goes to preschool.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 Yeah.

00:16:41.000 Yeah.

00:16:42.000 That's often, often the case.

00:16:43.000 And often those are only for limited amounts of time.

00:16:45.000 Right.

00:16:46.000 Though not always.

00:16:47.000 Right.

00:16:48.000 But it's actually a more isolated case.

00:16:49.000 When I look at the, this is from Petrelle, I'm sorry, Petrelli Prevatera LLC, they pulled up a, they made a study on this.

00:16:58.000 You're talking about Christian marriage because you're asking, what's the incentive for men to get married?

00:17:02.000 Well, from a secular standpoint, I think I agree with you that secularist men probably shouldn't.

00:17:07.000 It looks like it doesn't look very good for them.

00:17:09.000 Well, we're in a secular society, Andrew.

00:17:12.000 Not yet.

00:17:13.000 We're getting there, but we're not there yet.

00:17:15.000 I mean, you don't think it's pretty secular now?

00:17:17.000 Not yet.

00:17:18.000 Like what, like what percent of people even attend church weekly?

00:17:22.000 Well, that's true, but 70% of the population does consider themselves to be at least identify, self-identifies as Christian.

00:17:29.000 But like, don't you need actions to match that?

00:17:32.000 Yeah, you do.

00:17:33.000 But interestingly enough, there must be because it's only 20, 25% of Christian marriages which end in divorce at all.

00:17:40.000 I mean, that's, again, what you guys say, right?

00:17:44.000 I mean, that's what the stats show.

00:17:46.000 Okay.

00:17:47.000 Yeah, 20 to 25%.

00:17:49.000 But Gen Z, you don't know what Gen Z is going to be.

00:17:53.000 And that's the whole point.

00:17:54.000 I mean, wouldn't they follow the same trends, roughly?

00:17:58.000 I would guess it would be worse.

00:18:02.000 Why?

00:18:03.000 Because Gen Z women are the first women that are on social media.

00:18:08.000 Plus, divorce keeps going up over time.

00:18:13.000 Well, divorce is lower now than it has been ever.

00:18:17.000 Right, because people aren't getting married.

00:18:19.000 Correct.

00:18:20.000 Because you're kind of trying to divert.

00:18:21.000 The divorce isn't going up, right?

00:18:22.000 Because the thing is, you're trying to divert from the question.

00:18:24.000 Okay.

00:18:25.000 If you want marriage to increase, you have to give a good answer to the question.

00:18:28.000 Because it's the only way that you can have children without single motherhood.

00:18:33.000 What do children get out of marriage?

00:18:36.000 Well, if mommy and daddy aren't married, right?

00:18:40.000 Then the children have very, very bad outcomes.

00:18:43.000 Single mother homes have terrible outcomes.

00:18:45.000 And single father homes aren't tenable, generally speaking, because they're the working parent.

00:18:50.000 Right?

00:18:51.000 So the only way for men to have families is through marriage.

00:18:53.000 I agree.

00:18:54.000 So what do women get out of marriage?

00:18:56.000 They generally get resources.

00:18:58.000 They generally get resources and they get access to status, social status, security, things like this.

00:19:04.000 And what do men get out of marriage?

00:19:06.000 They get children out of marriage.

00:19:09.000 Okay.

00:19:10.000 And what do they get out of marriage that they couldn't get from just a live-in girlfriend?

00:19:15.000 Mothers.

00:19:16.000 So here's, well, an intact family, in other words.

00:19:20.000 Okay, they can't.

00:19:21.000 Here's the thing.

00:19:22.000 If the woman lives with him, what's the difference?

00:19:25.000 Well, the thing is, is when we look at the social.

00:19:28.000 And the other question.

00:19:29.000 Hang on, hang on.

00:19:30.000 Well, let me respond to it.

00:19:31.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:19:32.000 If we look at the social data for what you're talking about, this happens all the time.

00:19:35.000 That's called a single mom, right?

00:19:37.000 I mean, you live with the chick, you impregnate the chick, you're not married to the chick.

00:19:41.000 But Crowder's in the same position.

00:19:44.000 So are a lot of like public.

00:19:46.000 He doesn't have children with some.

00:19:48.000 No, he doesn't.

00:19:49.000 He doesn't have children with some live-in girlfriend, right?

00:19:52.000 Right.

00:19:53.000 But he's not with the mother of his kids now.

00:19:54.000 He had a really public divorce.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, but there's a different.

00:19:57.000 I know.

00:19:58.000 But my point is, you can say data, data, data all you want.

00:20:01.000 And we're like, people are witnessing conservative people that pushed a lot of this stuff getting

00:20:07.000 divorced.

00:20:08.000 Like men are going to naturally do a cost benefit analysis and realize there's no difference.

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:14.000 So here's the cost benefit.

00:20:15.000 Here's a cost benefit analysis.

00:20:17.000 And if you say, if you say it may.

00:20:19.000 My other question too would be, who do the kids belong to?

00:20:22.000 Do they belong to him or do they belong to her?

00:20:25.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 So I believe in a patrilineal society.

00:20:28.000 I think that children belong to their fathers.

00:20:30.000 Right.

00:20:31.000 And always have thought so.

00:20:32.000 And that would be a form of reform inside of the court.

00:20:35.000 And by the way, traditionally this was always the way it happened.

00:20:37.000 But in society today, where women get custody 90% of the time, who do the kids belong to?

00:20:43.000 Do they belong to her?

00:20:44.000 That's not the case anymore.

00:20:45.000 They don't get it 90% of the time now.

00:20:47.000 Do they belong to her or do they belong to him?

00:20:50.000 Well, they belong to the court system.

00:20:51.000 They're the ones who are making the allocation.

00:20:53.000 They're the majority of the time who gets custody.

00:20:56.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 That's generally speaking women.

00:20:58.000 I agree.

00:20:59.000 So what do men get out of marriage?

00:21:01.000 If the majority of the time the kids belong to her and not him.

00:21:05.000 Okay.

00:21:06.000 But here's the thing.

00:21:07.000 You got to let me actually answer.

00:21:08.000 Okay.

00:21:09.000 So I'll try to answer this question, but it's comprehensive.

00:21:11.000 So the step one, you have to reform the system, the court system.

00:21:16.000 Men have to move towards the reformation of the court system.

00:21:19.000 Um, that is that challenging?

00:21:22.000 Yes.

00:21:23.000 But prenuptial agreements as cited, I went and looked at the data again.

00:21:26.000 They are mostly enforced.

00:21:28.000 That is the case.

00:21:29.000 Right.

00:21:30.000 When it comes to when they're contested.

00:21:31.000 Hang on.

00:21:32.000 Hang on.

00:21:33.000 Let me finish.

00:21:34.000 When they're contested, you know, because when they're contested, you're still going to

00:21:38.000 I'm not allowed to make a point.

00:21:39.000 Only you're allowed to make points.

00:21:40.000 You're still going to get dragged to court.

00:21:43.000 That's the problem.

00:21:44.000 So a lot of guys, if the prenup is contested.

00:21:46.000 No, you're not going to get dragged to court.

00:21:48.000 This is the issue, right?

00:21:49.000 Okay.

00:21:50.000 Like this is a performative contradiction.

00:21:51.000 Here's how.

00:21:52.000 Okay.

00:21:53.000 Because you say that women are reliant upon these men for resources.

00:21:56.000 That's what women are getting out of it.

00:21:58.000 So why is it?

00:21:59.000 If you had a prenup, they're not going to get resources.

00:22:00.000 Why would they drag them to court?

00:22:03.000 Why?

00:22:04.000 Because they're spiteful.

00:22:05.000 Why did, why did Crowder's wife.

00:22:07.000 But they would be.

00:22:08.000 Why did Crowder's wife.

00:22:09.000 She got a bunch of money.

00:22:10.000 I know.

00:22:11.000 But why did Crowder's wife leak footage to the press?

00:22:14.000 She didn't have to do that.

00:22:15.000 She'd probably.

00:22:16.000 Because she thought it would help her case for resources.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:19.000 But the, the problem is in the court of public opinion.

00:22:23.000 Women are spiteful.

00:22:24.000 It's not always about money.

00:22:26.000 Ashley St. Clair was offered a ton of money just to shut up.

00:22:29.000 Right.

00:22:30.000 She didn't shut up.

00:22:31.000 Yeah.

00:22:32.000 But here's the thing.

00:22:33.000 Right.

00:22:34.000 Ashley St. Clair is going to get the money either way.

00:22:36.000 Right.

00:22:37.000 She has the kid in the arrangement.

00:22:38.000 That was not a marriage.

00:22:39.000 Inside of a marriage.

00:22:40.000 If Crowder had signed a prenup, I bet you things would have been completely different across

00:22:44.000 the board.

00:22:45.000 Same thing with most men who are wealthy, who signed prenuptial agreements.

00:22:48.000 They end up women.

00:22:50.000 Women want the resources.

00:22:51.000 That's the whole game.

00:22:52.000 Right.

00:22:53.000 Resources.

00:22:54.000 If they can't get the resources, it's an incentive for the behavior.

00:22:57.000 Not only that, but here's the other thing.

00:23:00.000 Um, if, if you promote against marriage, against the idea of marriage, and I'm not saying that

00:23:05.000 you like this idea that I'm Michael Knowles or something, I'm telling men, just take the

00:23:09.000 plunge and take the risks.

00:23:11.000 No, we're both doing risk mitigation.

00:23:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:14.000 Pearl's doing risk mitigation.

00:23:15.000 I'm doing risk mitigation.

00:23:16.000 What I'm saying with, with Pearl saying with risk mitigation is for no man, is it ever

00:23:20.000 worth it?

00:23:21.000 So just play the field.

00:23:22.000 I did not say that.

00:23:23.000 I did not.

00:23:24.000 I don't tell men what to do.

00:23:25.000 Okay.

00:23:26.000 Okay.

00:23:27.000 I don't, I don't think it's my advice.

00:23:28.000 I think it ultimately reduces to that though.

00:23:30.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:31.000 So the thing is, is that my position is just this risk for risk mitigation.

00:23:35.000 If you want to have children in a family, the best outcome for the kids are, it's going

00:23:39.000 to be marriage.

00:23:40.000 Like no matter what, it's going to be marriage.

00:23:42.000 Right.

00:23:43.000 But you have to do risk mitigation.

00:23:44.000 That's what's in it for the kids.

00:23:46.000 And for the man.

00:23:47.000 Not for the man, because when you get married, you're just adding on another layer.

00:23:52.000 Of what?

00:23:53.000 Of now she can go for alimony.

00:23:56.000 Because a lot of times it's not about the money, Andrew.

00:23:59.000 I mean, yeah, like sometimes it is the money, but it's like, men want to stop dealing with

00:24:04.000 crazy women.

00:24:05.000 Like the, the amount of money men will pay to get a wife to stop nagging him.

00:24:09.000 And now she can contest, she can, if she chooses, contest the prenup and drag him to court.

00:24:14.000 He could agree with the terms that she like asks for whatever, just to get it over with.

00:24:19.000 But it's like the spitefulness of women.

00:24:22.000 It's not necessarily always the money.

00:24:25.000 And so again, you're going back to, well, it's best for the kids, right?

00:24:29.000 But you don't answer the question, what's best for him?

00:24:32.000 What does he-

00:24:33.000 Having a family is what's best for him.

00:24:34.000 Right.

00:24:35.000 By every single conceivable metric, having a family is what's best for men.

00:24:38.000 It lowers the rates of STDs.

00:24:40.000 It earns, the earning income goes up.

00:24:43.000 Their general welfare and happiness in a happy marriage goes way up.

00:24:47.000 We can tell because we can look at the suicidality of men who have gone through terrific divorces

00:24:52.000 or who stay single, right?

00:24:54.000 And their depression rates are sky high.

00:24:56.000 All of these things are sky high.

00:24:58.000 Why do you think they make more money in marriage?

00:25:00.000 Well, that would be the incentive for their kids.

00:25:03.000 Well, right.

00:25:04.000 To keep up with-

00:25:05.000 Kids are cheap.

00:25:06.000 It's women's spending habits that are expensive.

00:25:09.000 Right?

00:25:10.000 The Botox, the clothes.

00:25:12.000 I mean, we had your wife on and she was going through the costs of kids.

00:25:18.000 It's not as expensive, seemingly, as what people say.

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 So just real quick though, 90%, it's up to 90%, the vast overwhelming majority of prenuptial

00:25:29.000 agreements are not successfully contested in court.

00:25:32.000 It seems like a massive incentive for women if they want to hold their resources, even

00:25:37.000 from a secular side to do this.

00:25:39.000 But if you combine this with the Christian side, the Christian ethics side of very religious

00:25:43.000 women, the divorce rate goes down to damn near nil.

00:25:46.000 Okay.

00:25:47.000 Well, are most women religious in this society?

00:25:50.000 No.

00:25:51.000 Okay.

00:25:52.000 But neither are most men.

00:25:53.000 Okay.

00:25:54.000 Right.

00:25:55.000 But so now you're going into selling your religion, right?

00:25:58.000 Well, only if you want to have a family.

00:26:00.000 If you want to have the most successful family, yeah.

00:26:02.000 Right.

00:26:03.000 But I mean, Orthodox is 1% of the population.

00:26:05.000 I'm not a religious show.

00:26:06.000 It's not just for Orthodox.

00:26:08.000 I'm, what I'm, what I'm talking about is, and again, you're not really answering the

00:26:13.000 question.

00:26:14.000 You're saying you might get your kids.

00:26:16.000 No.

00:26:17.000 What I'm saying is that by every single conceivable metric, which is available for men, men's the,

00:26:23.000 what is considered the loneliness epidemic or the number one reported mental health issue

00:26:28.000 for men is that they're lonely.

00:26:30.000 They feel lonely.

00:26:31.000 If the, if that is the case and loneliness goes away when they get married, then it seems

00:26:37.000 like what would be really good for men would be to get married in a good, stable relationship.

00:26:42.000 Your counter is, but there's not that many marriage with that.

00:26:45.000 Right.

00:26:46.000 So most men aren't getting a marriageable woman.

00:26:48.000 Most men never got one.

00:26:50.000 Right.

00:26:51.000 So most men, it's not marriage isn't for them.

00:26:53.000 Yeah.

00:26:54.000 But you can't create the conditionals.

00:26:55.000 Most men, like if like out of two men or 10 men over six, aren't going to get a good

00:27:02.000 deal.

00:27:03.000 Right.

00:27:04.000 But they never did.

00:27:05.000 Which correlates.

00:27:06.000 They never got a good deal.

00:27:07.000 So are you telling them to take a bad deal?

00:27:09.000 No.

00:27:10.000 What I'm telling them specifically is very simple.

00:27:12.000 That the historic fact of the matter is, is that most men never got to reproduce at

00:27:17.000 all.

00:27:18.000 Right.

00:27:19.000 Your chances of reproduction now are way higher than ever.

00:27:21.000 And the reason the sex drive is so high for men is because it's a biological imperative

00:27:25.000 for reproduction.

00:27:26.000 You wouldn't get a boner and want to go have sex.

00:27:27.000 Right.

00:27:28.000 Especially not with a good looking younger looking women.

00:27:31.000 That's the whole point of it.

00:27:33.000 If you, if you want a stability in society, which is good for men, you want stability against

00:27:39.000 degeneracy, which is also very good for men.

00:27:42.000 Then you want stable marriages for men.

00:27:45.000 What does society give men in return for producing a stable society?

00:27:51.000 What do they give men in return?

00:27:53.000 Well, society never gave men anything for the production of stable societies.

00:27:57.000 Fine.

00:27:58.000 But I'm asking today, what do they give them in return?

00:28:01.000 Yeah.

00:28:02.000 I mean, what men get in exchange for having a stable society is they get a stable society.

00:28:10.000 That's the exchange.

00:28:11.000 That's always been the exchange.

00:28:12.000 Mm-hmm.

00:28:13.000 Like historically, men have always been fodder.

00:28:15.000 They've always been war fodder.

00:28:16.000 They've always been basically treated poorly.

00:28:18.000 But the idea here that we have to make perfect conditionals for marriage absent any risk or

00:28:25.000 mitigating risk is silly.

00:28:26.000 That's impossible no matter what.

00:28:27.000 Well, if men keep getting married, what is the incentive for the laws to change?

00:28:32.000 Where is the incentive?

00:28:33.000 Well, they're not.

00:28:34.000 Well, hang on.

00:28:35.000 They can still get married absent the state and that would still create conditionals for

00:28:39.000 the laws to change.

00:28:40.000 If men keep having children, what is the incentive for society to give them fairer laws?

00:28:46.000 Well, what do you mean?

00:28:48.000 If they have children and there's prenuptial agreements in place, women now have incentive

00:28:53.000 to not destroy their own financial security for the future.

00:28:56.000 Right.

00:28:57.000 But again, so you're saying, well, she won't completely ruin your life, right?

00:29:00.000 You're not saying a reward.

00:29:01.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 But like you get enthusiastic sex with a hot, a hot wife.

00:29:07.000 But there's a lot of marriages.

00:29:08.000 You missed the point though that there's a lot of marriages that work.

00:29:10.000 Statistically, that's not true.

00:29:11.000 What about the fact that there's so many marriages that work?

00:29:13.000 Statistically, that's just not true.

00:29:15.000 Well, okay.

00:29:16.000 Let's look at the statistics since you want to bring them up.

00:29:18.000 You want to bring them up.

00:29:19.000 Go ahead.

00:29:20.000 You're looking at an estimate of 40%.

00:29:22.000 40% of the marriages are failing.

00:29:24.000 Okay.

00:29:25.000 The vast majority of them are still not.

00:29:27.000 And as less people get married, those marriages are actually working out longer.

00:29:30.000 What is the obesity rate in America?

00:29:33.000 Oh, it's overwhelming for men and women.

00:29:35.000 Okay.

00:29:36.000 Are most men ecstatic to take on this enormous risk and responsibility for a fat wife?

00:29:41.000 No.

00:29:42.000 Okay.

00:29:43.000 So again, you have to answer the question, what's in it for guys?

00:29:45.000 I'm answering the question.

00:29:46.000 So what's in it for men is the only thing that's ever been in it for men.

00:29:50.000 Yeah.

00:29:51.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 And I don't think it's going to be a good enough answer.

00:29:54.000 Why?

00:29:55.000 If you're right, then men are going to sign up to get married.

00:29:58.000 You don't have to convince me.

00:30:00.000 Yeah.

00:30:01.000 But what about like the qualifiers of men have to live in this world.

00:30:07.000 Right.

00:30:08.000 We have to live in this world.

00:30:09.000 We live in a world full of degeneracy and basically horrifying things because of the instability

00:30:15.000 of society.

00:30:16.000 And you almost disempower them in a way because you're saying they don't have the power to

00:30:20.000 change the nature of law.

00:30:21.000 I just want them to make an informed decision.

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:25.000 That's it.

00:30:26.000 But I mean the informed decision towards what?

00:30:27.000 Their happiness?

00:30:28.000 Whatever they want to do.

00:30:30.000 It's not my place to tell men.

00:30:31.000 Well, do you think they want to be happy?

00:30:33.000 It's not my place to tell men how to live.

00:30:35.000 Well, do you think they want to be happy though?

00:30:37.000 Well, I think that happiness is a feeling that comes and goes.

00:30:40.000 So I don't really...

00:30:42.000 So you don't want them to be happy?

00:30:43.000 I think it's...

00:30:44.000 Do you want to do what they want?

00:30:45.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:30:47.000 I said it's a feeling that comes and goes.

00:30:49.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:30:50.000 So I don't think studies on...

00:30:51.000 I think ultimately you would want men happy, right?

00:30:55.000 I want them to do what they want to do.

00:30:58.000 Okay.

00:30:59.000 Well, do you think that most men want to be happy?

00:31:01.000 I'm not a preacher channel, right?

00:31:03.000 I'm not here to tell you how to live.

00:31:04.000 I'm not saying that you're a preacher.

00:31:05.000 I'm not preaching.

00:31:06.000 Right now I'm just talking about the facts.

00:31:07.000 The facts of the matter are, don't you think men want to be happy?

00:31:11.000 Well, if marriage makes them happy, then I'm sure they'll sign up.

00:31:15.000 I'm sure the marriage rates will go up.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, that's not an answer to the question I asked.

00:31:20.000 The question I asked specifically is, do you think men want to be happy?

00:31:25.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 Okay.

00:31:28.000 So if you think that men want to be happy, and if we look at all of the data that we

00:31:32.000 can possibly find on male promiscuity and happiness, it doesn't look very good for them.

00:31:36.000 Okay.

00:31:37.000 So even if it were the case that you were advocating against marriage, which is fair,

00:31:40.000 especially secondary marriage, which is even more fair.

00:31:41.000 I don't advocate against marriage.

00:31:43.000 Okay.

00:31:44.000 I see it disappearing from the middle class completely.

00:31:49.000 I see it just becoming something that the rich do.

00:31:54.000 And I see the birth rates continuing to decline, and I see marriage going away.

00:31:59.000 That's true.

00:32:00.000 Because people like you can't give men good answers on why they get married.

00:32:05.000 Okay.

00:32:06.000 Wait, wait, a hundred years ago.

00:32:08.000 He cares about the decisions he has to make today.

00:32:10.000 Yeah, I know.

00:32:11.000 And he has to use the facts today.

00:32:13.000 You're like a question-avoiding machine.

00:32:14.000 No, you want me to do what you do, which is prescribe.

00:32:17.000 I don't prescribe.

00:32:18.000 I'm not even asking for prescriptions.

00:32:19.000 Okay.

00:32:20.000 I'm asking right now for a description.

00:32:21.000 What did men ever get out of marriage?

00:32:23.000 What?

00:32:24.000 Well, I can think it's a stupid question.

00:32:26.000 So, like, I don't think it matters.

00:32:29.000 What did they ever get out of it?

00:32:31.000 Ever?

00:32:32.000 I don't know.

00:32:33.000 Tell me.

00:32:34.000 You don't know.

00:32:35.000 No, go ahead.

00:32:36.000 No, tell me.

00:32:37.000 Tell me.

00:32:38.000 They got the same thing I'm prescribing, which is a family.

00:32:39.000 What else would the incentive ever be?

00:32:40.000 Right, right.

00:32:41.000 And again, if that's so great, then men will sign up.

00:32:46.000 If that's so great.

00:32:48.000 Like, if a product's good, there's a big demand, right?

00:32:52.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:53.000 There is a big demand.

00:32:54.000 Men want to get married.

00:32:55.000 Sure.

00:32:56.000 Then if they wanted to, they would, right?

00:32:58.000 We walk past each other as, like, if you describe all the issues, that's fair, right?

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 But the description of the issue is supposed to be for the purpose of what men do best,

00:33:06.000 which is solving the issue.

00:33:07.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:08.000 I don't mind you giving all the descriptors and think that's great.

00:33:10.000 Okay.

00:33:11.000 But the idea of, like, Andrew, what do men get right now?

00:33:13.000 That's not a good enough reason.

00:33:14.000 What did men ever get out of it?

00:33:15.000 It's the same reason.

00:33:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:17.000 It must be the best reason.

00:33:18.000 Then run for office.

00:33:19.000 Run.

00:33:20.000 Run.

00:33:21.000 I mean, I would much rather run NGOs so that I could get people in key positions to change

00:33:25.000 law, but the same principle.

00:33:27.000 Go do it.

00:33:28.000 But what I'm saying to you is, like, from a descriptive standpoint, I am doing it.

00:33:31.000 But that's the point.

00:33:32.000 I have been doing it.

00:33:33.000 Okay.

00:33:34.000 That I'm sure there'll be great change in the next 10 years.

00:33:36.000 Well, we're going to try, right?

00:33:37.000 And I'll be completely wrong.

00:33:39.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 But, I mean, the trends can continue to nosedive, but let's assume for a second that, like,

00:33:44.000 it all nosedives.

00:33:45.000 Mm-hmm.

00:33:46.000 What does the future look like, then?

00:33:48.000 Well, I don't think there'll be change until my prediction is we'll only see change when

00:33:54.000 society crumbles enough for women to face the consequences of their decisions.

00:33:59.000 Unfortunately.

00:34:00.000 And what happens then?

00:34:01.000 Then there might be change.

00:34:03.000 That's what I would predict.

00:34:04.000 Okay, but what happens?

00:34:05.000 I would predict that things go down until things are falling apart enough, and then maybe

00:34:11.000 there'll be a policy change.

00:34:13.000 Maybe.

00:34:14.000 Probably not.

00:34:15.000 Probably not.

00:34:16.000 To fix the problems, right?

00:34:17.000 Not anytime soon.

00:34:19.000 No, no, but when we reach this, like, plateau.

00:34:21.000 Sure.

00:34:22.000 Potentially.

00:34:23.000 So then wouldn't it logically follow, then, that we should accelerate the decline as quickly

00:34:28.000 as possible to reach that plateau to fix these things?

00:34:31.000 Sure.

00:34:32.000 If that's right.

00:34:33.000 Sure.

00:34:34.000 So then that's an accelerationist mindset, right?

00:34:37.000 I'm not saying one way or the other.

00:34:39.000 I'm saying I don't see them changing anytime soon.

00:34:42.000 That's it.

00:34:43.000 I don't.

00:34:44.000 Yeah.

00:34:45.000 Yeah.

00:34:46.000 I don't think in my lifetime there'll be major policy changes.

00:34:48.000 But ultimately, do you want to see them change?

00:34:50.000 It would be nice.

00:34:51.000 Yeah.

00:34:52.000 So then if that's the case, I'll just assume the position for a moment, your position,

00:34:57.000 just descriptors, here's where we're going.

00:34:59.000 Mm-hmm.

00:35:00.000 It would still be really wise to have men's rights advocacy groups and things like this

00:35:05.000 in place for this inevitable decline so that those types of policies can then be pushed

00:35:10.000 so that we're, like, ready for them, right?

00:35:11.000 Sure.

00:35:12.000 But the first one was in 1910.

00:35:15.000 So I don't...

00:35:16.000 If we're where we are today and the first one was over a hundred years ago...

00:35:21.000 The first what?

00:35:22.000 Policy?

00:35:23.000 No.

00:35:24.000 The first men's right to advocate...

00:35:25.000 I think it was around 1910.

00:35:26.000 I don't know the exact...

00:35:27.000 Yeah.

00:35:28.000 But they were advocating for completely different things, right?

00:35:30.000 I mean, I saw ones about divorce law early in the 1900s off the top of my head.

00:35:36.000 I don't know.

00:35:37.000 But...

00:35:38.000 Yeah.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:40.000 We had coverture laws.

00:35:41.000 I mean, coverture laws basically...

00:35:43.000 In that case, you had to have show cause in order to get divorce under coverture laws,

00:35:48.000 things like that.

00:35:49.000 It was most of the early 1900s, I believe.

00:35:51.000 So the thing that's interesting, though, is like...

00:35:54.000 I don't...

00:35:55.000 As I look at this...

00:35:56.000 My point is I just don't see it being effective because the last hundred years,

00:36:00.000 it's gotten worse, not better.

00:36:01.000 So why would I think...

00:36:02.000 Give it up.

00:36:03.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:05.000 But I mean, ever...

00:36:06.000 So the thing is, it's like things have gotten better.

00:36:08.000 Abortion laws have been rolled back, right?

00:36:10.000 But Plan B's advocacy...

00:36:11.000 Plan B's gone up.

00:36:12.000 True.

00:36:13.000 Only in some states, though.

00:36:14.000 I went and checked the stats on that as well.

00:36:16.000 Sex work has gone up, too.

00:36:18.000 But you know what else is going down is female promiscuity and male promiscuity over time.

00:36:23.000 Right.

00:36:24.000 And what's interesting...

00:36:25.000 But STD rates are up.

00:36:26.000 So how do you explain that?

00:36:27.000 Because sex work is up.

00:36:29.000 Okay, well, if that's what you...

00:36:31.000 If that's not what the guys dating are saying, but okay.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, because they're dating women who have only...

00:36:36.000 Sure.

00:36:37.000 I mean, you're talking about like one in 10 or one in 20 now can have an OnlyFans.

00:36:40.000 Sure.

00:36:41.000 The sex work epidemic has exploded STDs.

00:36:43.000 I mean, we can look at this objectively.

00:36:45.000 But when's the last time you dated?

00:36:47.000 Like, when's the last time you actually dated?

00:36:49.000 Oh, it's been fucking, I don't know, like, what, 17 years or some shit?

00:36:54.000 So how do you think you know better than the guys dating?

00:36:56.000 Like, what's out there?

00:36:57.000 I mean, when's the last time you dated?

00:36:59.000 Like, a year ago, a year and a half ago.

00:37:02.000 Okay, so from your sample size, you think that in 17 years the marketplace for dating

00:37:08.000 has changed so much that I'm not allowed to have any input in it?

00:37:11.000 Oh, no.

00:37:12.000 I just don't think you really know what's on the ground if you haven't done it in 17 years.

00:37:16.000 Because the advent of social media has changed the dating marketplace a lot.

00:37:21.000 Like, a lot.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 Why do you think...

00:37:25.000 Wait a second.

00:37:26.000 Back up.

00:37:27.000 I don't understand why you think that you couldn't have input and research the stats.

00:37:31.000 I'm using the same stats you're using.

00:37:33.000 Like, it's not...

00:37:34.000 And I have the same conversations with thousands of people you have, men and women both, the

00:37:40.000 same amount of anecdotal evidence and statistics, right?

00:37:43.000 Sorry.

00:37:44.000 What I could say, maybe a better way to say it, is I think it's like an oversimplification

00:37:48.000 of the problem when you're saying, oh, it's just like bad women that these guys are dating.

00:37:54.000 Like, I don't really think it's that simple.

00:37:56.000 No, that's not what I said at all.

00:37:58.000 Or it's just...

00:37:59.000 What I said is that the conditionals...

00:38:00.000 It's just sex worker women that these guys are dating, right?

00:38:03.000 Right?

00:38:04.000 No.

00:38:05.000 That would account for one thing, STDs.

00:38:06.000 Okay.

00:38:07.000 Correct me.

00:38:08.000 What did you...

00:38:09.000 Yeah, okay.

00:38:10.000 Yeah.

00:38:11.000 So, what I said gave you was the answer that you're always looking for.

00:38:14.000 The men get out of marriage, same thing, they always got out of it.

00:38:17.000 A family.

00:38:18.000 And why is it that men are always gravitating towards family?

00:38:21.000 Well, it seems to be biologically hardwired in them because they've always done that.

00:38:24.000 It is.

00:38:25.000 It is.

00:38:26.000 So, if that's the case, their happiness level's intrinsically tied to that.

00:38:30.000 It seems that if you wanted to advocate for men, then you would be advocating the most

00:38:35.000 for the idea of keeping marriage sacrosanct and also making sure that these things got

00:38:41.000 reformed as quick as possible.

00:38:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:44.000 Okay.

00:38:45.000 If someone took your prescription...

00:38:47.000 What is your...

00:38:48.000 Can you give me, like, step-by-step your prescription for how men...

00:38:51.000 Yes.

00:38:52.000 To get married, stay married, what's your prescription?

00:38:54.000 How should...

00:38:55.000 Well, first of all, I wouldn't say...

00:38:56.000 You keep on framing this as though I'm saying take a plunge.

00:38:59.000 What I'm not saying take a plunge.

00:39:00.000 No, it's totally fine.

00:39:01.000 Tell me what's beginning to end.

00:39:02.000 So, where should they source...

00:39:04.000 First of all, I would look at these stats.

00:39:06.000 No, not the stats.

00:39:07.000 Where should they source the women from?

00:39:09.000 Like, what state should they go to?

00:39:11.000 What church?

00:39:12.000 I'm guessing you're going to say Orthodox.

00:39:14.000 Okay.

00:39:15.000 So, I'll answer your question, right?

00:39:17.000 Yeah.

00:39:18.000 You're not going to find huge variances state by state.

00:39:21.000 Okay.

00:39:22.000 Okay.

00:39:23.000 But you can definitely upgrade the chances of you finding a woman who's not going to have

00:39:29.000 these behaviors, which you and I would both consider non-optimal.

00:39:32.000 Okay.

00:39:33.000 So, it wouldn't just be the Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, and even Protestants,

00:39:37.000 as long as the worship is more than one time per week, right?

00:39:42.000 Their marriage rates significantly go down.

00:39:44.000 If you get married as a virgin, you almost never get a divorce because your sample size

00:39:48.000 is super low.

00:39:49.000 So, are you saying they should find a virgin?

00:39:53.000 Or do you expect...

00:39:54.000 Do you think that's realistic nowadays to find a virgin woman?

00:39:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:59.000 No, no, no.

00:40:00.000 I'm giving you a step-by-step prescription of all the things you can do to mitigate risk.

00:40:03.000 Right.

00:40:04.000 No, but I'm not saying mitigate risk.

00:40:05.000 I'm saying, do they download a dating app?

00:40:07.000 Are they going to go on Instagram?

00:40:09.000 How are they going to do it?

00:40:10.000 Okay.

00:40:11.000 So, if you look...

00:40:12.000 Go to church.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:14.000 So, I'll walk through it, right?

00:40:15.000 Okay.

00:40:16.000 What we're talking about is risk mitigation.

00:40:18.000 So, let's start with risk mitigation.

00:40:20.000 Your chances are...

00:40:21.000 No, but I want the dating process from beginning to end.

00:40:24.000 Oh, okay.

00:40:25.000 We'll give...

00:40:26.000 Go ahead.

00:40:27.000 What?

00:40:28.000 You want me to give a dating process from beginning to end for every individual man on

00:40:31.000 planet Earth?

00:40:32.000 Because I...

00:40:33.000 Well, okay.

00:40:34.000 If a guy wants to go on your prescription...

00:40:35.000 No.

00:40:36.000 The dating process is going to be very varied...

00:40:37.000 How is he going to source women?

00:40:38.000 ...on region.

00:40:39.000 It's going to be varied on man.

00:40:41.000 It's going to be varied on what options are available.

00:40:43.000 But what you can look at is all the signs of the universals which mitigate risk.

00:40:46.000 Okay.

00:40:47.000 What you're asking is for an absurdity.

00:40:48.000 It's like me asking...

00:40:49.000 It's me asking...

00:40:50.000 Tell me step by...

00:40:51.000 Well, tell me step by step, Pearl, how do I become a successful podcaster?

00:40:54.000 Oh, I could...

00:40:55.000 Every man, every woman on Earth, how do you become a successful podcaster?

00:40:58.000 I could do that pretty...

00:40:59.000 I could do that pretty easily.

00:41:00.000 Do it.

00:41:01.000 I could do...

00:41:02.000 No, but I asked you first.

00:41:03.000 Okay.

00:41:04.000 And you don't have an answer because you don't have a...

00:41:05.000 Because it's an impossible question.

00:41:06.000 It's not even pragmatic because if you have a real...

00:41:08.000 It's not even pragmatic.

00:41:09.000 It's impossible.

00:41:10.000 If you have a real plan for men, you have to have a step by step.

00:41:14.000 Like what's step one?

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 So step one would be looking at the mitigation for risk.

00:41:20.000 That would be step one.

00:41:21.000 But you have to get a girl on a date first before you even get there.

00:41:24.000 No, you don't have to get a girl on a date to mitigate risk, Pearl.

00:41:27.000 Okay.

00:41:28.000 Well, I guess there's no risk if you never get on the date, right?

00:41:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:41:31.000 So walk away.

00:41:32.000 So walk away.

00:41:33.000 If we're talking about mitigation of risk, you're asking for a step.

00:41:37.000 Stop cutting me off.

00:41:39.000 I need you...

00:41:40.000 If you're asking a question, you've got to let me answer the fucking question.

00:41:43.000 But you're not answering the question.

00:41:44.000 What's the question?

00:41:45.000 But then you have to not talk while I answer it.

00:41:47.000 Okay.

00:41:48.000 I'll try.

00:41:49.000 I'm a woman, so it's kind of tough.

00:41:50.000 Okay.

00:41:51.000 Go ahead.

00:41:52.000 Step-by-step process.

00:41:53.000 How does he get a girl on a date?

00:41:54.000 Where should you meet them?

00:41:55.000 Oh, get a girl on a date.

00:41:56.000 You would go online.

00:41:57.000 You'd have conversations with women everywhere that you went.

00:42:00.000 There's things that we've always done to get women on dates.

00:42:02.000 Okay.

00:42:03.000 So you go on the dating apps and get women on dates.

00:42:05.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:42:06.000 What did I say?

00:42:07.000 Repeat back what I said.

00:42:08.000 You said go online.

00:42:09.000 I assumed you had dating apps and talk to women.

00:42:12.000 And?

00:42:13.000 And talk to women.

00:42:14.000 Totally fine.

00:42:15.000 And do the things that we've done.

00:42:16.000 Are you ever going to get a woman on a date, Pearl, if you don't talk to any of them?

00:42:20.000 Okay.

00:42:21.000 So you talk to women and...

00:42:22.000 Are you ever going to get a woman on a date if you don't talk to them?

00:42:24.000 Totally fine.

00:42:25.000 Okay.

00:42:26.000 So I want to keep going through the process.

00:42:27.000 No.

00:42:28.000 Keep going through the process.

00:42:29.000 So you meet them on a dating app.

00:42:31.000 Okay.

00:42:32.000 Or you meet them at where?

00:42:33.000 I didn't say meet them on a dating app.

00:42:34.000 Okay.

00:42:35.000 Then can you tell me where?

00:42:36.000 Yeah.

00:42:37.000 All you have to do to begin the initial process of dating women is use whatever connections,

00:42:44.000 resources you have to start connecting with various women.

00:42:47.000 You can use dating apps, sure.

00:42:48.000 That seems to be one of the most common ways that you do it.

00:42:51.000 But you can also use friends of friends.

00:42:53.000 Okay.

00:42:54.000 You can use your family members.

00:42:55.000 You can use all sorts of different ways to connect with women the same way that men

00:42:59.000 and women have been connecting forever.

00:43:00.000 Sure.

00:43:01.000 Except now you have also the online component.

00:43:03.000 Sure.

00:43:04.000 Totally fine.

00:43:05.000 So then what's next?

00:43:06.000 Do you take her on a date?

00:43:07.000 You can.

00:43:08.000 You can take her on a date.

00:43:09.000 But usually the second step would be to be in the talking phase.

00:43:11.000 And inside the talking phase, you're able to actually identify many of these risk mitigating

00:43:16.000 factors which become immediately apparent in 90% of the conversations.

00:43:21.000 Sure.

00:43:22.000 They become very apparent, the red flags or the risk mitigation.

00:43:26.000 I wouldn't take a woman on a date.

00:43:27.000 I would be in the talking phase with multiple women for an elongated period of time before

00:43:32.000 I ever took one out on a date.

00:43:33.000 Okay.

00:43:34.000 Fine.

00:43:35.000 So how long should they talk before they get to the date?

00:43:37.000 Well, it's going to vary from person to person.

00:43:40.000 Okay.

00:43:41.000 But what would you suggest?

00:43:42.000 I would suggest that you talk to them until you feel like you've gathered enough information

00:43:46.000 and intel on the mitigation of these red flags.

00:43:49.000 And then I would take them.

00:43:50.000 Sure.

00:43:51.000 You could take them on a date then.

00:43:52.000 Okay.

00:43:53.000 And what information are you trying to get from them?

00:43:54.000 What are the red flags?

00:43:55.000 Well, that's great.

00:43:56.000 Glad that you asked that question for risk mitigation.

00:43:58.000 Sure.

00:43:59.000 I'd be looking for things like were you raised by a single mom?

00:44:01.000 Right?

00:44:02.000 What are your goals?

00:44:03.000 What are the structure in life that you're after?

00:44:05.000 Whether or not it is the case that you have a present father in your life.

00:44:08.000 How many tattoos do you have?

00:44:09.000 That would be another good one.

00:44:10.000 Your promiscuity level.

00:44:11.000 I'd do a little intel maybe around their Facebook.

00:44:14.000 Things like this.

00:44:15.000 How many male friends they have?

00:44:16.000 There's tons and tons.

00:44:17.000 Okay.

00:44:18.000 The same things you know that women do.

00:44:19.000 Yeah.

00:44:20.000 Totally fine.

00:44:21.000 So now you get her on the date.

00:44:22.000 Are you trying to sleep with her?

00:44:23.000 No.

00:44:24.000 Are you waiting till...

00:44:25.000 You're suggesting they wait till marriage?

00:44:27.000 Is that what you're...

00:44:28.000 Well, yeah.

00:44:29.000 Only if they want the best outcomes.

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:31.000 And they don't want to create single moms that they have to take care of their children.

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:34.000 That seems like a good idea.

00:44:35.000 So if she's not a virgin, are you telling them they should still wait till marriage?

00:44:39.000 Yeah.

00:44:40.000 I still would.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:42.000 Okay.

00:44:43.000 So...

00:44:44.000 If you're interested in a woman who's not a virgin, right?

00:44:45.000 Well, that's...

00:44:46.000 That's 90...

00:44:47.000 85%, right?

00:44:48.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 And most of the men aren't going to be virgins who are taking those women out either.

00:44:52.000 Okay.

00:44:53.000 That's the case.

00:44:54.000 Yes.

00:44:55.000 Factually.

00:44:56.000 That is the dating market.

00:44:57.000 So you want men to pay a higher price for what other men got for free?

00:44:59.000 Oh, so...

00:45:00.000 Okay.

00:45:01.000 Well, let's just grant this.

00:45:02.000 Let's say they don't, right?

00:45:04.000 You want men to sleep with a woman on the first date?

00:45:06.000 Can you answer my question and I'll answer yours?

00:45:08.000 I did.

00:45:09.000 Okay.

00:45:10.000 So the answer's in the answer.

00:45:11.000 I'll explain it.

00:45:12.000 No.

00:45:13.000 So the thing is just like...

00:45:14.000 You don't like the answer to the question.

00:45:15.000 You don't have to sleep with this woman to get to know her if you think that she's worth

00:45:20.000 the risk and you think that she's worth it to, you know, stick around to sleep with later

00:45:25.000 or to, you know, date long term.

00:45:27.000 Sure.

00:45:28.000 The problem that you have here is that if we operate...

00:45:30.000 So what if...

00:45:31.000 No, no, no.

00:45:32.000 My turn.

00:45:33.000 If we operate off of your logic, right?

00:45:35.000 Should they...

00:45:36.000 If a woman has ever slept with a man ever, should no man ever wait to sleep with that woman?

00:45:43.000 I think that's a tough...

00:45:44.000 Or should it be immediate?

00:45:45.000 That's a tough sell.

00:45:46.000 What's that?

00:45:47.000 You can sell that.

00:45:48.000 It's a tough sell.

00:45:49.000 So then you think that the woman, if you've ever had sex as a woman, you should just give

00:45:54.000 it up?

00:45:55.000 Okay.

00:45:56.000 So you want guys to marry...

00:45:59.000 Like answer the question.

00:46:00.000 Answer the question.

00:46:01.000 I will answer that question.

00:46:02.000 No, you're not answering the question.

00:46:03.000 You're avoiding it.

00:46:04.000 I will answer that question.

00:46:05.000 If a woman's ever had sex, every man she dates, should she fuck him?

00:46:08.000 Fuck him.

00:46:09.000 No, I don't think so.

00:46:10.000 No.

00:46:11.000 Okay.

00:46:12.000 So then you're saying that she should make him wait.

00:46:14.000 I think there's certain men you can treat special though.

00:46:17.000 And I think most men want to be treated special and not like other men.

00:46:21.000 So is every man you've ever gone on a date with, have you slept with him immediately?

00:46:26.000 No.

00:46:27.000 How about you?

00:46:28.000 How about you?

00:46:29.000 No, I don't sleep with any men.

00:46:31.000 No.

00:46:32.000 What was your dating experience like?

00:46:34.000 Did you wait?

00:46:35.000 Do you want to go person?

00:46:36.000 Of course.

00:46:37.000 I like to get to know people, things like this, of course.

00:46:40.000 But the thing is, that's my point.

00:46:42.000 I don't want to go personal, but if you're good, you know what I mean?

00:46:45.000 No, I'm not trying to be personal.

00:46:46.000 I'm trying to demonstrate a point.

00:46:47.000 Of course, you don't sleep with every man immediately.

00:46:49.000 That would be absurd.

00:46:50.000 Right.

00:46:51.000 That's not a personal attack.

00:46:52.000 Right.

00:46:53.000 But women do sleep with men faster that they like.

00:46:56.000 Generally speaking, I think the same thing with men.

00:46:59.000 They generally sleep with women faster if they like them.

00:47:01.000 How would a guy know the difference between a girl that's using him for resources or just

00:47:09.000 trying to use him for the lifelong provisioning or that actually likes him?

00:47:14.000 Well, every woman is going to be utilizing men to some degree for resources and historically

00:47:19.000 always has.

00:47:20.000 The idea, though, that you can't mitigate these risks by taking a look at the entirety of their

00:47:24.000 social media, doing a little social stalking, which is you're just looking around at their

00:47:29.000 connections and things like this in order to see what the general trend is.

00:47:33.000 You can basically determine this fairly quickly.

00:47:36.000 In fact, men have become so savvy to this in the dating market, they're beginning the

00:47:40.000 high rates of rejection now where they're like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

00:47:43.000 So there's no women that at all could mitigate any of this.

00:47:48.000 I mean, the biggest hoes that I knew in school had pretty much no digital footprint, no social

00:47:53.000 media.

00:47:55.000 None.

00:47:56.000 Well, I mean, that's anecdotal, though.

00:47:58.000 No, because it's like a strategy, actually, because they want to get around.

00:48:04.000 Well, it's really difficult now.

00:48:06.000 Well, then, even if that was the case, I would just put that as another red flag.

00:48:10.000 Like, oh, you have no social media presence that maybe that's another red flag.

00:48:14.000 But wouldn't you say that women are developing new strategies every year to get around some

00:48:20.000 totally.

00:48:21.000 But don't you think that some of the men that you're suggesting this to are going to get

00:48:25.000 got just balance of probabilities?

00:48:27.000 But no matter what conditionals we make in society, some men are going to get got.

00:48:30.000 There's nothing you can do about that ever.

00:48:32.000 Doesn't matter if you had the perfect utopia.

00:48:34.000 Some men are going to get got.

00:48:36.000 Right.

00:48:37.000 So what percent, going through all these strategies, what percent of men do you think will get

00:48:40.000 got?

00:48:41.000 I think that you can lower the risk.

00:48:43.000 You think it's zero percent?

00:48:44.000 I think you can lower the risk mitigation down to somewhere around 15 to 20 percent,

00:48:47.000 which is what we see in these types of elongated Christian marriages.

00:48:50.000 So you think about 20 percent of men will get got?

00:48:53.000 I think that 20 percent of men have always gotten got.

00:48:56.000 Right.

00:48:57.000 But why would a man take that deal?

00:49:00.000 Because they want to have a family like they've always wanted to.

00:49:03.000 Right.

00:49:04.000 But and do you think that if people stay married, that's automatically a successful marriage

00:49:10.000 if they just don't divorce?

00:49:12.000 No, that wouldn't always meet the criteria for a successful marriage.

00:49:16.000 So.

00:49:17.000 Right.

00:49:18.000 But but hang on by the same logic, you would have to agree then that not every time women

00:49:22.000 want to get divorced, it's unjustified.

00:49:23.000 True.

00:49:24.000 I agree.

00:49:25.000 So if that's if that's the case, then you have an equal wash there.

00:49:28.000 So the idea here is what do we want for a stabilized society?

00:49:32.000 Which makes sense.

00:49:33.000 Right.

00:49:34.000 For men to have maximum happiness.

00:49:36.000 It seems to be marriage.

00:49:37.000 Right.

00:49:38.000 But you're you're switching it back to what's in it for society.

00:49:40.000 And I keep trying to stick to what's in it for the men are society.

00:49:44.000 Right.

00:49:45.000 Run society.

00:49:46.000 Do you really think that a 20 percent failure rate where a woman could potentially really ruin

00:49:52.000 his life for 18 years?

00:49:54.000 Like, I mean, I've I've talked to like a good person.

00:49:57.000 What what failure rates acceptable?

00:49:59.000 What one percent?

00:50:01.000 I think one is too many.

00:50:02.000 When you have a quarter of you have a quarter of when you have a quarter of when you have

00:50:05.000 a quarter of men raising kids that aren't theirs.

00:50:07.000 I think I think I think one time that happens is too many.

00:50:11.000 That's utopian.

00:50:12.000 That's literally utopian thinking.

00:50:13.000 So if there's ever a case that a man can get got, then you would just recommend it.

00:50:18.000 It's so silly.

00:50:19.000 That's utopianism.

00:50:20.000 It's utopianism.

00:50:21.000 That's impossible.

00:50:22.000 It's like saying no man should ever drive cars because they might get in a wreck.

00:50:25.000 It's like it's going to happen.

00:50:26.000 I wouldn't say that's the same because I would say a car wreck.

00:50:31.000 It is not likely that you're going to be enslaved to that car for 18 years.

00:50:37.000 And I think maybe I just have a different point of view because I've I've seen men on

00:50:43.000 the brink of suicide, Andrew, and I've seen men like like I one of the worst I've told

00:50:48.000 you this story before.

00:50:49.000 One of the worst marriage divorce stories I ever saw was a guy that took pretty much

00:50:53.000 your advice.

00:50:54.000 Okay.

00:50:55.000 Which was what?

00:50:56.000 What's my advice?

00:50:57.000 What you say?

00:50:59.000 He waited till marriage.

00:51:00.000 He met a girl in a Latin Catholic mass church.

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:04.000 He had the temperament.

00:51:05.000 He thought she was the right person.

00:51:07.000 Um, and she, it was actually really difficult.

00:51:12.000 She took his kid.

00:51:13.000 She was actually Eastern European.

00:51:15.000 So she was, um, Eastern Europe.

00:51:16.000 So she was actually raised to be a wife and she came to the U S he met her in California.

00:51:20.000 Um, and she stole the kid and took him back.

00:51:24.000 She won custody.

00:51:25.000 She took him back.

00:51:26.000 Um, and he spent $300,000 trying to get her back.

00:51:29.000 He went into a war zone trying to get his kid.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 Um, he, now the kid is like six.

00:51:35.000 He hasn't seen him in years.

00:51:37.000 The kid doesn't recognize him and he speaks Russian.

00:51:40.000 How is, is he happy?

00:51:42.000 You'll.

00:51:43.000 I know.

00:51:44.000 And it's easy.

00:51:45.000 I think it's easy maybe for you to like wave it away and just say, well, I'm not

00:51:48.000 waving it away.

00:51:49.000 That's horrible.

00:51:50.000 It's absolutely horrible.

00:51:51.000 Men, it doesn't matter.

00:51:52.000 Like, don't even think about that risk.

00:51:54.000 But what I've seen.

00:51:55.000 No, think about that risk.

00:51:56.000 Right.

00:51:57.000 But, but you're saying, but do it anyway.

00:51:59.000 And I'm, I'm saying, I can't tell you what to do because that is an astronomical risk

00:52:05.000 that I understand is if you, as a man don't want to take that, I like, I completely understand

00:52:11.000 another.

00:52:12.000 So here's the alternative.

00:52:13.000 Another, can you let me finish?

00:52:14.000 So another issue too, is like the waiting, waiting till marriage.

00:52:17.000 I mean, you go on monologues to a lot too.

00:52:20.000 Not long because the other, the other, the other thing, um, is one out of three women

00:52:25.000 have STDs.

00:52:26.000 So you could like, um, no, not necessarily.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 We can look at the height of the promiscuity.

00:52:34.000 The sexual revolution wasn't even close.

00:52:36.000 Wasn't even close.

00:52:37.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 But a lot of normal women have STDs too.

00:52:40.000 They do.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 And they always have.

00:52:43.000 Yeah.

00:52:44.000 True.

00:52:45.000 They usually get it from men during promiscuous sex as well.

00:52:48.000 Right.

00:52:49.000 But that's back to the, what about the men though?

00:52:50.000 We're talking about.

00:52:51.000 What about the men?

00:52:52.000 We're giving an accounting for this or how this works STDs.

00:52:55.000 So STDs would be a good idea for not having promiscuity or promiscuous sex.

00:53:00.000 But if the idea is like, because some men are going to have catastrophic results and

00:53:04.000 we can never mitigate that.

00:53:06.000 I don't care what society you're in ever.

00:53:08.000 You're not going to be able to mitigate that.

00:53:09.000 Some men are going to have catastrophic results that instead they should use women,

00:53:13.000 basically hang on and women, them for purely sexual hedonistic needs.

00:53:18.000 If that's the case, then the very ideology of like, look at all these STDs that explodes

00:53:23.000 under that same ideology.

00:53:25.000 That's like silly.

00:53:26.000 It's counterproductive.

00:53:27.000 Well, under your strategy, they could marry a woman with herpes.

00:53:31.000 Yeah.

00:53:32.000 Under your strategy, they're going to get herpes anyway.

00:53:34.000 Not really.

00:53:35.000 Because if you wear a condom, it's less than 1% of men.

00:53:38.000 Then why are they exploding?

00:53:40.000 They're getting, they're exploding because men are, men and women aren't wearing condoms.

00:53:44.000 But if you wear a condom, it's not the rate, the likelihood of you getting something,

00:53:49.000 especially as a guy is pretty low.

00:53:51.000 So men are just stupid, don't know how to wear condoms or?

00:53:54.000 I mean, some men, they really, yeah, they really should.

00:53:58.000 Yeah.

00:53:59.000 No, I don't think so.

00:54:00.000 To be honest.

00:54:01.000 I mean, a lot of guys, they don't want to wear that.

00:54:02.000 What's happened is promiscuity, especially in the sex industry, where STDs are 10 times

00:54:07.000 higher, has now been gravitating towards women's bedrooms on OnlyFans and things like this.

00:54:13.000 They have a continuous chain of men who come in they're promiscuous with, and this has

00:54:17.000 exploded the STD rate.

00:54:18.000 And by the way, I can prove this because in home, you see these explosive rates generally

00:54:23.000 in the areas where there's a, what?

00:54:24.000 The most amount of sex workers that gravitates out.

00:54:26.000 You think it's all sex work?

00:54:28.000 It's not the women in college?

00:54:29.000 No, there's always been STDs, of course, that have been in the general public.

00:54:33.000 I'm talking about the accounting for the explosion in them.

00:54:36.000 Right.

00:54:37.000 But you don't think it's common on, say, college campuses for STDs to go around?

00:54:42.000 Of course, but that's always been the case on college campuses.

00:54:45.000 Right, right.

00:54:46.000 But saying that's always, I'm trying to operate in today, not the past, right?

00:54:50.000 Yeah, but I'm trying to give you a prism so that, because you're acting like this stuff

00:54:54.000 is new, or that risk mitigation is somehow new.

00:54:58.000 This has always been the case that men had to mitigate risk when it came to marriage.

00:55:03.000 You're only talking about the selection of, well, you could get really fucked by the courts,

00:55:07.000 which is true, and that the courts are biased towards women, which is true.

00:55:11.000 I'm giving prescriptors for how we begin the process of changing those things.

00:55:15.000 What you do is you act as though these are brand new societal issues when they're actually

00:55:21.000 not brand new societal issues.

00:55:22.000 No, I operate in today, so I try to focus on what's going on now.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, but can't you look to the past for prescriptors?

00:55:29.000 Right, right.

00:55:30.000 But why, not if the past, not if it doesn't matter.

00:55:34.000 It matters.

00:55:35.000 Okay, well.

00:55:36.000 Or we can't get prescriptors.

00:55:37.000 We can't get prescriptors in the future unless we look at societies which worked.

00:55:40.000 Right, but societies that don't exist today, that are different than today.

00:55:44.000 I have to operate in the, I have to operate, I'm not a lawmaker, so I have to operate in

00:55:50.000 the society we have today.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, you're not a lawmaker, you're an influencer.

00:55:54.000 You need to influence people into lawmaking, or influence people towards laws, or you need

00:55:58.000 to influence them towards better behaviors, or things like that.

00:56:01.000 I think influencers that think they have that kind of sway and power are just as delusional

00:56:06.000 as the women that think that they're going to get a man that makes like five million dollars

00:56:11.000 a year.

00:56:12.000 That's my belief.

00:56:13.000 Yeah.

00:56:14.000 You may think different.

00:56:15.000 That's just what I think.

00:56:16.000 Go ahead.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:18.000 So, well, I mean the Democratic Party and the Republican Party seem to disagree.

00:56:21.000 They're buying up influencers left and right all over the country, and it seems to be swaying

00:56:25.000 a lot of localized elections.

00:56:27.000 So I think influencers must have some kind of, I don't know, influence, right?

00:56:31.000 Otherwise, why is it that the political arms of the various parties are doing everything

00:56:35.000 they can to get them under their wig?

00:56:37.000 So, ultimately, I think when we're talking about your kind of descriptive world, again,

00:56:43.000 I don't even disagree with a lot of these descriptions.

00:56:46.000 But if we apply Pearl Davis's descriptions, which do sound more prescriptive, why should

00:56:52.000 men do X, right?

00:56:54.000 Well, it's like, okay, well, here's why.

00:56:55.000 And then you say, but here's the risk for that.

00:56:58.000 Okay, I agree.

00:56:59.000 There's a risk for that.

00:57:00.000 Well, now what?

00:57:01.000 I don't know.

00:57:02.000 Is that it?

00:57:03.000 Just like, I don't know.

00:57:04.000 If the product is good, then people are lining up to buy it.

00:57:08.000 And so what you're doing is you're saying, no, no, there's no risk.

00:57:12.000 Men are lining up to buy this.

00:57:14.000 But the stats just don't say that.

00:57:17.000 They don't.

00:57:18.000 So if you're right, then...

00:57:19.000 Well, first of all, I reject your scripts.

00:57:21.000 If you're right, then the marriage rate will go up and traditionalism will return.

00:57:28.000 I hope you're right.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, but don't you understand that the positive of your framing is completely rejected by me.

00:57:37.000 I'm not one of these guys who's making these crazy advocations for, hey, bro, just take

00:57:42.000 the plunge, bro, and hopefully things will work out, bro.

00:57:45.000 That's the con ink guys who are saying, oh, this is all men's fault, this and that.

00:57:51.000 I'm talking about prescriptive mitigations to try to fix the issues in marriage.

00:57:56.000 The very thing men are screaming that they want more than anything.

00:58:00.000 And you just say, well, kind of just do what you want.

00:58:03.000 Here's the information.

00:58:04.000 Good luck.

00:58:05.000 It's like, okay, you can do that.

00:58:06.000 But then in what account can you ever criticize any of those guys in the con ink party who give

00:58:14.000 prescriptions?

00:58:15.000 How can you ever do that if you don't give a counter prescription?

00:58:17.000 If prescriptions are leading men to their death and men are nine times more likely to

00:58:21.000 commit suicide because they don't warn them, I can criticize them.

00:58:25.000 Then what should they do instead, Pearl?

00:58:27.000 Then what should they do instead, Pearl?

00:58:29.000 I think they should make an informed decision.

00:58:32.000 Oh, same thing I think.

00:58:33.000 I think they should make an informed decision.

00:58:36.000 Why is a man immoral if he doesn't choose to get married?

00:58:40.000 That's not immoral.

00:58:41.000 Okay, so then why are you arguing with me?

00:58:44.000 Well, the argument here is about men's happiness and what they get, right?

00:58:48.000 Not about whether or not it's moral if they get married or not.

00:58:50.000 I'm not saying it's immoral for men to not get married.

00:58:52.000 I could be, okay, then what's the disagreement?

00:58:54.000 Then why do you care?

00:58:55.000 The disagreement is on the prescription of why it is that-

00:58:57.000 But I didn't give a prescription.

00:58:59.000 That marriage, well, here's the disagreement.

00:59:01.000 I'm trying to explain it to you.

00:59:02.000 Well, I'm not saying that it's immoral for men to not get married.

00:59:05.000 I am interested in the happiness and longevity of men and their overall wellness, well-being,

00:59:12.000 and health in the society I have to live in because I count on them to provide the security.

00:59:17.000 I count on them to provide all luxury.

00:59:20.000 I count on them to build all infrastructure.

00:59:22.000 And so if men aren't doing well, none of us are doing well.

00:59:26.000 And so if we're going to associate these problems and Con Inc. says,

00:59:30.000 we'll just take the plunge because society continues to go.

00:59:33.000 And Pearl Davis says, men can just do whatever the fuck they want.

00:59:36.000 Then it's like, well, then how do you criticize anything prescriptively?

00:59:41.000 How do we get anywhere prescriptively?

00:59:42.000 It makes no sense to me.

00:59:43.000 Do you think men should do what you want?

00:59:45.000 I think that if prescriptively you move towards the type of society I advocate for,

00:59:51.000 I think, yes, the wellness of men would do way better.

00:59:53.000 So men should do what you want and not what they want.

00:59:55.000 No, they should do prescriptively what's best for men.

00:59:58.000 Okay.

00:59:59.000 Now, that is true that I'm aligned with that, but that's not doing what I want.

01:00:03.000 That's doing what's in their best interest.

01:00:05.000 Okay.

01:00:06.000 So men should listen to you and not what they want for their life,

01:00:11.000 but what you want for their life.

01:00:12.000 Well, what did I just say?

01:00:14.000 I just said that according to what they want for their life is happiness.

01:00:17.000 And if I want for my life happiness also,

01:00:20.000 and if we're, we have a combined belief on the prescriptive things that would make us happy,

01:00:24.000 then that's what men, including me, should move towards.

01:00:26.000 So you're saying I read these stats.

01:00:28.000 I read these studies.

01:00:29.000 Um, now do what I say because I read these studies.

01:00:32.000 Go on.

01:00:33.000 And Pearl Davis is doing the same thing.

01:00:34.000 I read these stats and studies and everything's really bad for men.

01:00:37.000 So, I mean, if you'd want to give, you know, if you want to take the plunge of 20%,

01:00:41.000 you might get fucked here and it isn't really worth it.

01:00:44.000 I'm not sure it's worth it.

01:00:45.000 I say you're, you're a man.

01:00:46.000 It's your house.

01:00:47.000 You get to do what you want in your house.

01:00:49.000 That's out of order.

01:00:50.000 I'm not going to tell a man how, what to do.

01:00:52.000 Well, you're not telling them what to do, but you can still, you, isn't it true that you can offer up prescriptions in society,

01:00:59.000 which are good for society, good for men without telling men that they need to ought to do those prescriptions.

01:01:05.000 Like, Hey, prescriptively, if we did X, that might be really good for men.

01:01:08.000 That doesn't mean you're telling men what to do.

01:01:12.000 I can give my opinion if somebody asks, but that's not my job.

01:01:18.000 I'm, I'm here.

01:01:19.000 Did you lower the volume a little bit?

01:01:21.000 A little bit.

01:01:22.000 I don't know why I like can hear him less now.

01:01:24.000 No.

01:01:25.000 Could you talk again?

01:01:26.000 Uh, testing, testing, testing.

01:01:28.000 Could you turn up my mic or like my headphones just like a little bit?

01:01:31.000 Sorry.

01:01:33.000 Um, you, but then you would say, you wouldn't say you should do it.

01:01:38.000 You would say you could, but once you get into should, you're saying this is what you should do.

01:01:43.000 I would say any prescription, which is going to be good for the overall health of men, they should be moving towards that.

01:01:51.000 Yes.

01:01:53.000 Right.

01:01:54.000 And so if it was moving towards the overall health of men, it would be an easy sell and men would do it.

01:02:00.000 And that, well, no, not necessarily.

01:02:02.000 Men have gone along with lots of different things, which were, and they get drafted and that has been an easy sell, but it definitely was not good for men.

01:02:11.000 What is this?

01:02:12.000 What is this?

01:02:13.000 I think it might be here.

01:02:14.000 Sorry.

01:02:15.000 It's like buzzing now a little bit.

01:02:18.000 Hmm.

01:02:19.000 Okay.

01:02:20.000 Sorry.

01:02:21.000 So you're saying that men, well, yeah, but men in reward for protecting the country, they got a family that actually stayed together.

01:02:27.000 But today that's not the norm.

01:02:29.000 No, they didn't in the Vietnam war.

01:02:30.000 They didn't get that.

01:02:31.000 That's not the case.

01:02:32.000 They'd got that maybe post world war two.

01:02:34.000 They weren't getting it after Korea.

01:02:35.000 They weren't getting it after Vietnam.

01:02:36.000 They're drafted for both wars.

01:02:37.000 They weren't coming home to a family or coming home and getting spit on literally spit on.

01:02:41.000 And the thing is, is like, yes, men can be tricked collectively into doing things that are really bad for men's health.

01:02:47.000 But the idea here that we should not be prescriptively trying.

01:02:50.000 Do you think they did it because it was like an adventure?

01:02:52.000 That's probably why.

01:02:53.000 Right.

01:02:54.000 Like, no, they didn't just want to go on an adventure.

01:02:56.000 They did it for honor.

01:02:57.000 They did it for honor.

01:02:58.000 Yeah.

01:02:59.000 I mean, and I would, but I would say at one point society rewarded them for it.

01:03:03.000 Like now white men are the least likely to be in the military or it's like the lowest numbers in years.

01:03:08.000 Like men are dropping out of the military because they don't see what's in it for them anymore.

01:03:13.000 And you know, it's, it's interesting.

01:03:15.000 I think this like.

01:03:16.000 Yeah.

01:03:17.000 Well, that's because there's no honor.

01:03:18.000 I think, I think it's an interesting like sell on what you're trying to do.

01:03:21.000 Meet the women, wait for a not wait till marriage for a woman.

01:03:25.000 That's not pay a higher price than a previous guy and you'll be married for life.

01:03:30.000 I hope men, if you want to, I mean, that's not, so this is again, this is very, if you

01:03:35.000 guys want to, if you guys, if you guys want to do that, Pearl framing, if you want to do

01:03:39.400 not actually what I said, I'm not, I'm offering an only an alternative to black pill.

01:03:44.000 And what am I saying?

01:03:45.000 Okay.

01:03:46.000 The same thing.

01:03:47.000 You are men should be gravitating towards things which are good and healthy for men.

01:03:51.000 Men are gravitating towards families because they want them, but they didn't want them.

01:03:55.000 They wouldn't be having them.

01:03:56.000 Who has more information on what makes a man happy, you or him?

01:04:01.000 Like an individual man watching your stream.

01:04:03.000 Well, this will be trivially true about any human being on earth.

01:04:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:07.000 So the, each man has more information to make decisions in his life than you do, right?

01:04:12.000 Well, no, that's not always the case, but I would say generally speaking, people tend

01:04:17.000 to think or know what makes them happier than, you know, some guy they don't know.

01:04:21.000 Sure.

01:04:22.000 Can I, I don't know if I want to, can I use you as an example, but not say your name?

01:04:27.000 Can I use you?

01:04:28.000 Yeah, I can.

01:04:29.000 Okay.

01:04:30.000 So my, my producer's watching now, right?

01:04:32.000 Yeah.

01:04:33.000 He's, he's listened to me talk.

01:04:34.000 Now he's listening to you for the first time and he's hearing your strategies for marriage,

01:04:38.000 right?

01:04:39.000 Who has more information on how he should make a decision moving forward in his relationships?

01:04:45.000 You or him?

01:04:46.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 So obviously him, but I'll also have more information probably on what's better for his relationships

01:04:50.000 than you because I'm a man.

01:04:52.000 Totally, totally fine.

01:04:53.000 Totally fine.

01:04:54.000 Yeah.

01:04:55.000 But so who should make the decision?

01:04:56.000 Should he listen to your advice or should he listen to himself?

01:05:00.000 What he thinks is best?

01:05:01.000 Well, so I would say that you also have to take into account that there's social responsibilities

01:05:08.000 and honor that men have duties that they're supposed to gravitate towards.

01:05:12.000 There are actual duties men have to gravitate towards.

01:05:15.000 Now this is just like nagging through the duty.

01:05:17.000 Okay.

01:05:18.000 Well, what does he get?

01:05:19.000 You don't think men don't have duties?

01:05:20.000 What does he, I mean, why, why would you do something?

01:05:23.000 Like men should just do nothing or what?

01:05:26.000 Well, why, why should they, why should they work hard for a society that doesn't reward them?

01:05:31.000 I have no problem.

01:05:32.000 I think that society should reward men for hard work.

01:05:35.000 Should, right?

01:05:36.000 Yeah.

01:05:37.000 But it does.

01:05:38.000 It does actually reward men for hard work.

01:05:39.000 It doesn't always reward men for hard work with a family though.

01:05:43.000 That's not the reward societies have ever given men.

01:05:46.000 Men have to procure their own stake for families.

01:05:48.000 Men have rewarded military members the last 50 years?

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:52.000 Yes.

01:05:53.000 Sure.

01:05:54.000 Then I'm sure.

01:05:55.000 Society has rewarded military members over the last 50 years.

01:05:57.000 Yes.

01:05:58.000 There's more.

01:05:59.000 During the Iraq war for instance, there was a lot of honor that came back to the uniform

01:06:02.000 and then post that now there's less.

01:06:04.000 More men have committed suicide than all of the last, but sorry, more soldiers have committed

01:06:09.000 suicide in the last 50 years than all of the world wars combined.

01:06:13.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.000 So society rewarded them.

01:06:16.000 No, that's not as a, that's not a social societal issue of society trying to punish them.

01:06:22.000 Iraqi war veterans.

01:06:23.000 We're not getting spit on like Vietnam war veterans.

01:06:25.000 Some of them maybe, but it wasn't the same type of contextual information.

01:06:28.000 I guess if society isn't spit on them.

01:06:30.000 Here's why this happened.

01:06:31.000 This happened because of the tour.

01:06:33.000 So it used to be that soldiers were cycled out after one tour.

01:06:37.000 What happened during the Iraq war and Afghanistan wars, they were going back for four, five, six tours.

01:06:42.000 They, they were completely broken.

01:06:44.000 This was something the military has recognized multiple times.

01:06:47.000 Society itself though, demanded that these wars be stopped.

01:06:51.000 Ultimately they demanded it.

01:06:52.000 That's why they put Trump in.

01:06:53.000 When you're talking about the social duties and responsibilities of men, it is a fact of the matter.

01:06:58.000 They do have them.

01:06:59.000 The idea here though, that this means that society rewards men with a family.

01:07:03.000 The monologue is going to end.

01:07:04.000 Is it going to end?

01:07:05.000 Is it going to end?

01:07:06.000 Okay.

01:07:07.000 I just, you're doing that to me.

01:07:08.000 So I got to, you know.

01:07:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:10.000 Fair enough.

01:07:11.000 So do you think that men have been respected the last 50 years and honored in society?

01:07:16.000 No, that's not, I didn't say that.

01:07:18.000 Okay.

01:07:19.000 We're talking about the military, a specific example.

01:07:21.000 Okay.

01:07:22.000 But in general have, do men get respect in society?

01:07:24.000 No, I think that men have been completely and totally disrespected as a bygone pieces of garbage.

01:07:29.000 Right.

01:07:30.000 The entire idea here is to try to change that.

01:07:33.000 Right.

01:07:34.000 But you would, you would, you would understand the rationale for a guy that just says, fuck it.

01:07:38.000 Right.

01:07:39.000 Because society doesn't reward him.

01:07:41.000 I under, so here we can maybe come to some agreement.

01:07:44.000 Do I understand the rationale?

01:07:46.000 Yes.

01:07:47.000 Oh yes.

01:07:48.000 I understand the rationale completely.

01:07:49.000 Does that mean that that's good for men though?

01:07:51.000 No, no.

01:07:52.000 Okay.

01:07:53.000 And clearly it can't be because you say, it can't be by your own logic.

01:07:58.000 Do you know what's best for an individual?

01:08:00.000 No, no, no.

01:08:01.000 You just, you actually just gave the prescription.

01:08:02.000 It's pretty great.

01:08:03.000 You just said, well, so society is shitting all over men and that's really bad for men.

01:08:07.000 Right, Andrew?

01:08:08.000 Yeah.

01:08:09.000 I want to change that.

01:08:10.000 And you go, but wait a second.

01:08:12.000 So you think, you know, what's best for men?

01:08:13.000 It's like, well, if we both agree that society shitting on men is bad, then it appears we both

01:08:17.000 think we know what's best for men.

01:08:19.000 That society shouldn't shit on them.

01:08:21.000 They wouldn't like that.

01:08:22.000 Right.

01:08:23.000 I don't predict it'll stop.

01:08:24.000 I wouldn't predict that it would change.

01:08:26.000 Well, I can predict it'll never stop if we don't try to do anything about it.

01:08:30.000 I can make a 100% prediction it'll never stop if we don't try to do anything about it.

01:08:34.000 Then run for office, right?

01:08:35.000 Go ahead.

01:08:36.000 Well, you don't just need to run for office.

01:08:38.000 What you need to do is influence people who are in office.

01:08:41.000 That's the main thing.

01:08:42.000 People forget.

01:08:43.000 See, NGOs and it's the lobbyists who ultimately are going to be able to make these influences

01:08:47.000 for change.

01:08:48.000 All right.

01:08:49.000 In the next year, what changes can I expect policy wise?

01:08:52.000 Probably not much.

01:08:53.000 Okay.

01:08:54.000 So my producer has to make a decision in the next year.

01:08:58.000 What's he going to do?

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 Should he look at the history?

01:09:02.000 Should he look at what might happen in the future?

01:09:04.000 Yeah.

01:09:05.000 So if your producer is going to make a decision on marriage in the next year, I'd give him

01:09:07.000 the same advice any rational human being would ever have.

01:09:10.000 Great.

01:09:11.000 You want to get married?

01:09:12.000 Make sure all of your risks are as mitigated as you can possibly make them so that you

01:09:16.000 can move towards family like men have always historically done and are now getting much better

01:09:20.000 at.

01:09:21.000 And then on top of that, Mr. Producer, you can expect within the next few years that you're

01:09:26.000 going to start seeing even more changes in the marriage court.

01:09:29.000 And here's my proof.

01:09:30.000 The number of kids living with their fathers has quadrupled from 68 to 2020 due to men's

01:09:35.000 rights advocacy groups.

01:09:37.000 That seems to be good for men.

01:09:38.000 They can get access to their kids quadrupled.

01:09:41.000 What do you think is going to affect my producer or someone similar to him more?

01:09:46.000 Do you think you saying like these stats or do you think what he's seen in real life

01:09:52.000 is going to affect his decision making and what he thinks more?

01:09:56.000 People generally, I think, intuitively go off of experience first and then they mitigate,

01:10:02.000 but they often mitigate experience when they start looking for answers for why things they've

01:10:07.000 sucked.

01:10:08.000 Right.

01:10:09.000 So like bad thing happens and I hate it.

01:10:12.000 And so intuitively, I don't want anything to do with this again.

01:10:14.000 But then you start looking for answers for why bad thing happened.

01:10:17.000 You listing stats and shaming men is not going to make.

01:10:22.000 You're shaming men.

01:10:23.000 I'm not.

01:10:24.000 I'm not.

01:10:25.000 That's a shaming tactic.

01:10:26.000 I'm telling you.

01:10:27.000 You and is not going to make men want to get married and it's not going to make them

01:10:31.000 not believe what they have seen.

01:10:33.000 How is it shaming men to tell men I care a lot about men's health more than anything

01:10:39.000 else and would really like to see influencers start moving towards prescriptions so that

01:10:43.000 they live happier lives?

01:10:45.000 How in the fucking world could you ever say in a million years that that's a shaming tactic?

01:10:49.000 Okay.

01:10:50.000 Sure.

01:10:51.000 You're not.

01:10:52.000 Sure.

01:10:53.000 I mean, how?

01:10:54.000 Like, how do you make that step?

01:10:55.000 Now, I would say, on the other hand, it's impossible, guys.

01:10:57.000 You're shaming men for sleeping around.

01:10:59.000 It's impossible, guys.

01:11:00.000 You're way too fucking stupid to understand the system.

01:11:03.000 You shame men for not living the way that you want them to live.

01:11:06.000 No, I'm not shaming them.

01:11:07.000 You do.

01:11:08.000 I'm not telling men they have to live how I want to live.

01:11:10.000 You call them degenerates.

01:11:11.000 You call them degenerates.

01:11:12.000 Well, yeah.

01:11:13.000 If they're gays, they're degenerate.

01:11:14.000 Aren't they, Pearl?

01:11:15.000 Okay.

01:11:16.000 Well, no.

01:11:17.000 You call them degenerates if they sleep around.

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:20.000 If they're highly promiscuous, I consider that to be degeneracy.

01:11:22.000 Okay.

01:11:23.000 But I still, even for those degenerate men, want the best for health and resources for those

01:11:28.000 men too.

01:11:29.000 So what about men that just want to live with a woman for 10 years and have sex first?

01:11:32.000 Are they...

01:11:33.000 Terrible idea.

01:11:34.000 Horrible idea by every single metric.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, totally.

01:11:38.000 Totally degenerate.

01:11:39.000 And it's a terrible idea.

01:11:40.000 Sure.

01:11:41.000 But a better idea is to wait till marriage and give a woman the ultimate honor that you

01:11:47.000 could ever give a woman.

01:11:49.000 Mm-hmm.

01:11:50.000 And she doesn't even...

01:11:51.000 In the comparison of those two situations?

01:11:53.000 Yeah.

01:11:54.000 You have sex with you to get it.

01:11:55.000 They don't have to have sex with you if you live with them either.

01:11:58.000 What's your point?

01:11:59.000 The fact that living with a woman long term without marrying her, you end up anyway with

01:12:03.000 these ideas of like common law marriage.

01:12:06.000 You can still get taken to the ringer on that.

01:12:08.000 The other alternative there is that the children are generally going to have terrible outcomes.

01:12:12.000 Between those two choices, absolutely I would prescribe that marriage is better than

01:12:16.000 those.

01:12:17.000 Even bad marriage would be better than those.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 So, again, that's a tough sell.

01:12:22.000 I hope...

01:12:23.000 I mean, maybe the men in the audience will buy it, right?

01:12:26.000 No, I think that mine was the good sell.

01:12:28.000 So, I think the shaming tactic comes from the idea of you saying...

01:12:31.000 But you're the one telling...

01:12:32.000 Because this is how I hear it.

01:12:33.000 What I hear is men are so fucking stupid they can't mitigate their own risks, so just

01:12:37.000 check out, guys.

01:12:38.000 You're too fucking dumb.

01:12:39.000 And I think the opposite.

01:12:40.000 I think men are super fucking smart and we can definitely do something inside of the societal

01:12:44.000 social field to change the conditionals for men.

01:12:47.000 Who's more legal power, men or women?

01:12:50.000 In which context?

01:12:53.000 At the mercy of the system or at the mercy of changing the system?

01:12:56.000 All right.

01:12:57.000 Who do politicians cater to, men or women?

01:13:01.000 They generally cater toward women and children's needs first, yes.

01:13:05.000 Who does the legal system cater to, men or women?

01:13:09.000 Generally speaking, it's going to cater to the weaker sex and children, yes.

01:13:13.000 Who does the media cater to, men or women?

01:13:15.000 Yeah, same.

01:13:16.000 I can just answer yes to all the institutions doing this.

01:13:18.000 Okay.

01:13:19.000 So how...

01:13:20.000 So if an individual man is going to outsmart this billion dollar system...

01:13:25.000 Mm-hmm.

01:13:26.000 So they're too dumb to do it?

01:13:28.000 I would say they don't have power.

01:13:30.000 I wouldn't say dumb, but I don't think that...

01:13:32.000 But don't men collectively have powers to overthrow entire systems via force doctrine?

01:13:36.000 Okay.

01:13:37.000 But I mean, when you're talking in the abstract, that's like easy.

01:13:39.000 No, I'm talking in the abstract.

01:13:41.000 I want to go specific.

01:13:42.000 So my producer, he's listening, right?

01:13:44.000 So he's going to make a decision in the next five years about what he wants to do with

01:13:48.000 his life, right?

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:13:50.000 And so he's listening.

01:13:51.000 Now, what power does he have if a woman throws an abuse claim at him?

01:13:56.000 What can he really do?

01:13:57.000 Yeah.

01:13:58.000 So he can do the same thing that men have always done during any sort of claim for abuse.

01:14:05.000 He can mitigate risk.

01:14:06.000 You can do this via security cameras.

01:14:08.000 You can do this via the Pence rule.

01:14:10.000 You can do this via all sorts of various rules that men have instituted to protect themselves

01:14:14.000 from false allegations of abuse.

01:14:16.000 He's talking about inside of long-term relationships.

01:14:19.000 That's really hard for women to prove.

01:14:21.000 Really hard for women to prove.

01:14:22.000 Even marital rape is hard for women to prove.

01:14:24.000 Those are not the things which men are getting tossed into jail for.

01:14:27.000 They're getting tossed into jail, getting their lives ruined for false allegations generally

01:14:30.000 from strangers, not from women they're with long-term.

01:14:33.000 That's just simply not true.

01:14:35.000 Really?

01:14:36.000 Because abuse allegations are brought up all the time in family court because it's based

01:14:40.000 on a preponderous...

01:14:41.000 That's true?

01:14:42.000 It's not...

01:14:43.000 You don't need evidence.

01:14:44.000 So they can just say things.

01:14:45.000 I mean, I worked on one case where she threw a rape allegation from the first night they

01:14:50.000 met and then 10 years later, she said that he raped her.

01:14:53.000 The court took it and she won custody.

01:14:56.000 Listen, it is the case inside a family court that women will make up all sorts of shit

01:15:02.000 for the custody of children.

01:15:04.000 Nobody's disputing that.

01:15:05.000 What I'm talking about specifically is the charges of abuse which generally happens.

01:15:10.000 So in family court, what happens is most women are filing for divorce not under an abuse

01:15:16.000 claim but under irreconcilable differences.

01:15:18.000 And the amount of them who are reporting abuse in the relationships actually is not nearly

01:15:22.000 as high as you're presenting.

01:15:23.000 The amount of men who are high status who get their lives completely fucking destroyed

01:15:27.000 by false allegations from strange women is extremely high though.

01:15:32.000 Usually in the workplace if they're in any way connected in the workplace or if it is

01:15:37.000 the case that they're a high status man who goes on a date with a woman, that's when

01:15:41.000 you start to see those accusations completely level men.

01:15:44.000 I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the family court.

01:15:47.000 Of course it does.

01:15:48.000 It does happen in family court.

01:15:49.000 Correct?

01:15:50.000 Yeah.

01:15:51.000 So women can throw abuse.

01:15:53.000 And what can he do if he gets a very feminist judge?

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 He's going to get fucked.

01:15:58.000 Yeah.

01:15:59.000 I agree.

01:16:00.000 If he makes him stupid, if he gets fucked, like he's automatically stupid.

01:16:03.000 No, I think, I think that the, yeah.

01:16:05.000 So, but what's the prescription?

01:16:07.000 What's the prescription would be to begin the process of changing family courts.

01:16:11.000 Okay.

01:16:12.000 So that you don't have the feminist judges that still operate under the, uh,

01:16:16.000 under the old rules of immediately goes to.

01:16:19.000 Tick, tick, tick.

01:16:20.000 My producer, he's got to make a decision this year.

01:16:22.000 He's got it.

01:16:23.000 What's he going to do this?

01:16:24.000 He's going to do now.

01:16:25.000 Should he, should he bet that Andrew Wilson's going to fix the laws for him?

01:16:29.000 Should he stay alone for the rest of his life?

01:16:31.000 Because if he ever gets married, the woman's for sure going to give him an abuse claim

01:16:34.000 and throw him in prison.

01:16:35.000 I didn't say that.

01:16:36.000 Is that going to be good for his happiness?

01:16:38.000 There's a lot of, there's, I didn't say that.

01:16:39.000 I mean, that sounds like a terrible prescription.

01:16:41.000 Yeah.

01:16:42.000 If you listen to me.

01:16:43.000 I didn't say that, but the way.

01:16:45.000 So let's compare it.

01:16:46.000 Let's compare it.

01:16:47.000 Andrew Wilson, mitigate all risks possible.

01:16:50.000 Okay.

01:16:51.000 And then Pearl Davis, good luck.

01:16:52.000 You're fucked.

01:16:53.000 I mean, that's the distinction.

01:16:54.000 But you see what you're doing is you're making it seem like men have two options,

01:16:58.000 which is sleep around or be married.

01:17:00.000 Right.

01:17:01.000 That's kind of the, I don't know if that's what you mean, but that's what you're making

01:17:04.000 it seem like.

01:17:05.000 No, but there's a lot of people that are in like two year relationships with a woman.

01:17:09.000 There's a lot of people that date casually, right?

01:17:12.000 They just go on dates.

01:17:13.000 They might sleep with one or two, maybe more than that women.

01:17:16.000 Well, that sounds like casual sex to me.

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:20.000 But then they pick their favorite and they get into a relationship and then eventually

01:17:23.000 get married.

01:17:24.000 I mean, I'm sure, and I'm not trying to go personal, but I'm sure, you know, most people

01:17:29.000 dated before like they met their previous like partners, their wife, right?

01:17:33.000 Sure.

01:17:34.000 Yeah.

01:17:35.000 And so it's not really one or the other.

01:17:38.000 Right.

01:17:39.000 It's not like degenerates and not.

01:17:40.000 So when does someone become a degenerate?

01:17:43.000 Like when does that line, like when are they beyond the point of return?

01:17:47.000 Yeah.

01:17:48.000 So when you hit this idea of like, is it like the fallacious?

01:17:52.000 Any sex outside of marriage?

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:54.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 When do you hit a fallacious threshold fallacy?

01:17:56.000 Like when does a thing become the thing?

01:17:59.000 Right.

01:18:00.000 We know that there's degenerates.

01:18:01.000 Can I give you the exact number of dicks a guy has to suck before he's going?

01:18:05.000 Well, that would be just one, I guess.

01:18:06.000 Do I have to give you the exact number of chicks a dude fucks before he's considered

01:18:11.000 societally a degenerate?

01:18:12.000 I don't think I need to.

01:18:13.000 I think that's pretty intuitive.

01:18:14.000 We know what degeneracy looks like.

01:18:16.000 You don't think so?

01:18:17.000 I mean, I know.

01:18:19.000 Okay.

01:18:20.000 So here, here, I'll just, I'll just pose it to you if you don't think so.

01:18:22.000 I mean, there's a lot of guys.

01:18:23.000 A guy is in a gang bang.

01:18:24.000 He's in a gang bang.

01:18:25.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:26.000 Right?

01:18:27.000 With, uh, it's him and three of his friends and they're all fucking one chick.

01:18:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:31.000 Is he a degenerate?

01:18:32.000 Uh, I mean, what is he, is he doing those every week the rest of his life?

01:18:36.000 No, just, he's just, he just-

01:18:37.000 I personally-

01:18:38.000 He just decided to go in and do it, right?

01:18:39.000 I personally, I don't tell men what to do in the bedroom.

01:18:42.000 I, I think, I, I prefer the don't ask, don't tell.

01:18:45.000 Like, I just don't, you can do what you want.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I prefer not to have STDs floating out in society because people are

01:18:53.000 getting in gang bangs and they're, they receive their home and the libertarian idea of like,

01:18:57.000 we're not going to govern it is bullshit.

01:18:58.000 But that doesn't, that doesn't affect you.

01:19:00.000 How does that affect you?

01:19:01.000 Yeah, it affects me.

01:19:02.000 How does that affect you?

01:19:03.000 How does that affect you?

01:19:04.000 You don't have an STD, right?

01:19:06.000 I have children.

01:19:07.000 I have cousins.

01:19:08.000 Correct, there we go.

01:19:09.000 I have family.

01:19:10.000 I have all sorts of people.

01:19:11.000 And that's actually what I was trying to get at is conservatives want men to save society

01:19:15.000 for their children.

01:19:17.000 And that's the point.

01:19:18.000 You don't ask what's in it for them.

01:19:19.000 Wait, wait, wait a second.

01:19:20.000 I'm sorry.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, and that's the point.

01:19:22.000 Don't you want us to save society for men?

01:19:25.000 I think people need to make decisions based on the information they have about their own life.

01:19:31.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 I am not, I am not.

01:19:33.000 I'm going to finish and then you can go.

01:19:34.000 Go ahead.

01:19:35.000 I am realistic.

01:19:36.000 And I think it's better to be prepared than be blindly optimistic.

01:19:41.000 So things I would personally prepare for your kids are probably going to like,

01:19:47.000 um, your kids will probably go to school with women that do only fans.

01:19:51.000 That is probably going to happen.

01:19:53.000 Yep.

01:19:54.000 I agree.

01:19:55.000 It's better to prepare and have a plan than it is.

01:19:57.000 Than to try to stop it.

01:19:59.000 Um, I don't think it's effective to stop it.

01:20:02.000 Oh, okay.

01:20:03.000 I don't think it's effective.

01:20:04.000 Well, I think it is effective to stop it.

01:20:05.000 Not only that, again, the framing is incorrect.

01:20:07.000 Cause Inala.

01:20:08.000 Cause Inala.

01:20:09.000 Cause Inala.

01:20:10.000 Cause Inala.

01:20:11.000 Conservatives are not trying to save, uh, I mean, maybe the TPUSA conservatives

01:20:17.000 are trying to save society for the sake of their children.

01:20:20.000 But even if that was the case, like good, that's good.

01:20:23.000 That aside.

01:20:24.000 Um, no, what I'm trying to do is save men in society.

01:20:29.000 Men.

01:20:30.000 I think men, the patriarchy is the most necessary component to society's functioning.

01:20:35.000 And so if you want to have men who are in a patriarchal role, who are governing society,

01:20:41.000 then you're going to have to prescriptively move men towards that.

01:20:44.000 That's the only way to do it.

01:20:46.000 Can a man.

01:20:47.000 Like social bastardization of this whole thing, your framing continuously goes back to, well,

01:20:52.000 conservative men want to save society for their children.

01:20:55.000 Yeah.

01:20:56.000 Right.

01:20:57.000 Right.

01:20:58.000 But what does the average man get out of that?

01:21:01.000 And that's the point.

01:21:02.000 They get a society to live in.

01:21:04.000 Right.

01:21:05.000 So I just want to know when these changes are going to happen.

01:21:08.000 Do you think men live in like bubbles in a forest?

01:21:10.000 Or do you think that they live in, in societies which are governed by social relationships?

01:21:14.000 Okay.

01:21:15.000 So when are these changes going to happen?

01:21:17.000 Like when can my producer.

01:21:18.000 Yeah.

01:21:19.000 But answer my question first.

01:21:20.000 Do you think that men live in isolated bubbles or they live in a social dynamic society filled

01:21:24.000 with interpersonal relationships?

01:21:26.000 Well, the average man doesn't have many friends.

01:21:28.000 He's like three or less, I think.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:30.000 But they have friends and they have family members and they still have to engage in society.

01:21:33.000 You have to go buy a fucking cheeseburger, right?

01:21:35.000 They got to go buy a cheeseburger and not get pickles on it.

01:21:37.000 Right.

01:21:38.000 But every, every stat shows that men are actually checking out a society.

01:21:42.000 So.

01:21:43.000 It's bad though.

01:21:44.000 Right.

01:21:45.000 That's not good.

01:21:46.000 Like we, we want to change that.

01:21:47.000 Right.

01:21:48.000 But I, I, I would say it's pragmatic because they're realizing there's no.

01:21:52.000 Pragmatism is bad.

01:21:53.000 Uh, okay.

01:21:54.000 Well, I, I hope isn't a strategy.

01:21:56.000 And what I, I think you're kind of trying to do is sell hope.

01:21:59.000 And I think it's better.

01:22:00.000 The pragmatic argument that you're making right now is like, guess what?

01:22:04.000 No men would ever be in pain ever again if they all shot themselves in the head either,

01:22:07.000 would they Pearl?

01:22:08.000 That would be the ultimate form of pragmatism.

01:22:10.000 I don't really think that's the same, but Hey, you know.

01:22:12.000 No, no, no.

01:22:13.000 That's just pragmatism taken to its logical conclusion.

01:22:16.000 If you want to stop all suffering of men, they all go, they all go bye-bye.

01:22:19.000 They all, they're all dead.

01:22:20.000 Now there's no more suffering of men.

01:22:21.000 That's just silly.

01:22:22.000 I said, I said, men, look at the facts and make a decision and you can make a decision

01:22:27.000 for yourself.

01:22:28.000 I'm here to report the facts.

01:22:29.000 And that's the same as shoot yourself.

01:22:31.000 Okay.

01:22:32.000 I mean, no, that's not, no, no, no.

01:22:33.000 You're making a complation.

01:22:34.000 Totally fine.

01:22:35.000 I mean, hey.

01:22:36.000 Wait for the born again virgin guys.

01:22:38.000 That's totally, that's totally going to get you.

01:22:40.000 That's the best way for, that's what you said earlier.

01:22:43.000 You're just lying now.

01:22:44.000 It's just reframing.

01:22:45.000 Reframing and total bullshit.

01:22:46.000 Never said guys, wait for the born again virgin.

01:22:49.000 In fact, I'm the one wrecking those fucking broads.

01:22:51.000 What are you talking about?

01:22:52.000 Okay.

01:22:53.000 The thing I've never made any such prescription.

01:22:55.000 It's always reframing.

01:22:56.000 Can I edit it here?

01:22:57.000 Because the thing is, can I edit it where I asked you or I'm going to edit it earlier

01:23:01.000 because you did say that you, the way you would suggest men dated was to wait till marriage.

01:23:06.000 Even if the woman wasn't a virgin, you did say that.

01:23:09.000 Yeah.

01:23:10.000 That's not, it has nothing to do with born again virgins.

01:23:12.000 It's just, that's your pragmatism of a social mitigation for bad thing happening.

01:23:17.000 That's it.

01:23:18.000 It's all a matter of mitigation of risk.

01:23:20.000 The idea that I said that you need to wait for a born again virgin, fucking absurd.

01:23:23.000 Never said it.

01:23:24.000 The reason you have to reframe this is because I'm advocating for men's happiness, men's

01:23:35.000 rights, men's health.

01:23:36.000 And the only thing you can think of to do is to consistently attempt to reframe it into

01:23:42.000 somehow I'm telling men to take some plunge with some fucking skank born again virgin.

01:23:47.000 Fuck that.

01:23:48.000 I'm talking about the mass mitigation of risk and the change to a system.

01:23:51.000 All right, guys.

01:23:52.000 I know she slept with your ex-boyfriend.

01:23:54.000 Okay.

01:23:55.000 I know she slept with her ex-boyfriend.

01:23:56.000 Here comes the straw man.

01:23:57.000 I know.

01:23:58.000 I know she.

01:23:59.000 Okay.

01:24:00.000 Okay.

01:24:01.000 Should men wait till marriage?

01:24:02.000 You said yes.

01:24:03.000 Right?

01:24:04.000 Yeah.

01:24:05.000 Yeah.

01:24:06.000 Generally.

01:24:07.000 Yes.

01:24:08.000 If they, if it is the case that you want men to do whatever they want.

01:24:12.000 Okay.

01:24:13.000 If the man really likes the woman.

01:24:15.000 Don't do whatever you want.

01:24:16.000 If the man really likes the woman.

01:24:17.000 Do what Andrew.

01:24:18.000 Do what Andrew says.

01:24:19.000 Do it.

01:24:20.000 No, no.

01:24:21.000 He's taking notes now.

01:24:22.000 He's going to follow your plan.

01:24:24.000 Yeah.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:26.000 If the man really likes the woman.

01:24:27.000 Okay.

01:24:28.000 And men should do whatever it is that they want.

01:24:30.000 Right?

01:24:31.000 Then under, then under your feasible system, a man should just fuck a chick cause he feels

01:24:36.000 like it.

01:24:37.000 Right?

01:24:38.000 It's like, that's untenable one.

01:24:39.000 And two.

01:24:40.000 Yes.

01:24:41.000 Is it okay for a man to hold his own integrity intact and still be in love with a woman who

01:24:46.000 slept with a man before and have good outcomes?

01:24:48.000 Yes.

01:24:49.000 Of course it is.

01:24:50.000 Of course it is.

01:24:51.000 For wanting to sleep with women outside of me.

01:24:53.000 And that's what I said.

01:24:54.000 You're the one shaming men.

01:24:55.000 Cause you're the one saying that they're degenerates.

01:24:57.000 If they, even though, even though statistically, even though outcomes for men who maintain virginity

01:25:03.000 and marry women with low body counts or virgins have really good outcomes.

01:25:07.000 I am super, you know what?

01:25:09.000 You'd have to show me the study.

01:25:11.000 I am super, I am super sure that when the woman is not a virgin and the man is, that is

01:25:17.000 a recipe for disaster.

01:25:19.000 I am.

01:25:20.000 It, it, listen, you're right that the risk increases, but it's still, but it's still

01:25:25.000 mitigated.

01:25:26.000 It's still, hang on, but it's still mitigated by the fact that if they have a lower body

01:25:31.000 count, right within the threshold of one to three, right?

01:25:34.000 It does mitigate risk significantly.

01:25:36.000 Is it always best to have a virgin?

01:25:38.000 Sure.

01:25:39.000 But guess what?

01:25:40.000 Unfortunately in the world that we live in, that's probably not what you're going to get.

01:25:44.000 You're probably not going to get a virgin who's a man either, but you can still

01:25:47.000 mitigate all kinds of risk.

01:25:48.000 What does he get?

01:25:49.000 I don't understand.

01:25:50.000 Why do you think you can't mitigate risk?

01:25:51.000 What does he get?

01:25:52.000 What does he get?

01:25:53.000 What does he get?

01:25:54.000 He gets.

01:25:55.000 What does men get out of this?

01:25:56.000 Even though you keep asking the question, I answer it.

01:25:58.000 They get what they've always gotten.

01:25:59.000 Because you're sure you have such bad answers.

01:26:01.000 Oh, okay.

01:26:02.000 I have bad answers.

01:26:03.000 You're like, here's a bad deal, guys.

01:26:04.000 You got a bad deal before.

01:26:05.000 Here's another bad deal.

01:26:06.000 Yeah, no, you're giving it a bad deal.

01:26:07.000 Not only that.

01:26:08.000 Here, let me ask you this.

01:26:09.000 What have men ever gotten?

01:26:10.000 Ever.

01:26:11.000 Men, you've always gotten.

01:26:12.000 One thing men have ever gotten.

01:26:14.000 Men, you've always gotten it bad, so you should continue to accept it bad.

01:26:17.000 Answer the question, Pearl.

01:26:18.000 Don't dodge, Pearl.

01:26:19.000 What have men ever gotten, Pearl?

01:26:20.000 Men, translation, men.

01:26:22.000 Not answering.

01:26:23.000 Notice audience, she's not answering.

01:26:24.000 Notice audience, she's not answering.

01:26:26.000 Notice audience, she's not answering.

01:26:27.000 Notice he's not answering either.

01:26:28.000 I did answer.

01:26:29.000 I answered 15 times.

01:26:30.000 Now, here's my question to you after I gave you the answer.

01:26:32.000 Okay.

01:26:33.000 What have men ever gotten?

01:26:34.000 Okay, a hundred years ago, average six to eight children.

01:26:39.000 I believe this is off the top of my head.

01:26:42.000 So you only care about, that's caring about children, not about men.

01:26:46.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:26:47.000 I'm not done.

01:26:48.000 I'm not done.

01:26:49.000 That's caring about children, not about men, Pearl.

01:26:50.000 He got, well, I'll finish.

01:26:52.000 Okay, go ahead.

01:26:53.000 He got a virgin wife who had been with nobody else who stayed with him for a lifetime.

01:26:57.000 No, not that.

01:26:58.000 Wait, I thought that women's behavior was ingrained,

01:27:01.000 and that they were always fucking men, according to you,

01:27:04.000 and that the men just didn't know it.

01:27:06.000 They might have been.

01:27:07.000 They might have been.

01:27:08.000 I don't know.

01:27:09.000 It sounds like a contradiction in terms.

01:27:10.000 You know, if women did at the time, it was not as widely known as it is today.

01:27:16.000 If women did.

01:27:17.000 They may not have.

01:27:18.000 I wasn't there.

01:27:19.000 I'm not going to speak up something.

01:27:20.000 I know, but that's what you said last time.

01:27:22.000 You said, no, they were still screwing around even then.

01:27:24.000 It's just behind the backs and nobody knew.

01:27:26.000 Well, I mean, there's genealogy records that show that women did step out.

01:27:32.000 Like there's people that have done like genealogy records and like a lot of times it was the

01:27:36.000 neighbor or something like that.

01:27:38.000 I'm not going to go back and forth about 100 years ago because I live in.

01:27:41.000 So what did men ever get, Pearl?

01:27:43.000 What did they ever get?

01:27:44.000 But that doesn't matter.

01:27:45.000 And that's the whole point.

01:27:46.000 Yeah, right.

01:27:47.000 So you keep going.

01:27:48.000 You keep going back into.

01:27:49.000 You keep going back to 100 years ago.

01:27:51.000 I live in the now.

01:27:52.000 I don't care.

01:27:53.000 Yeah, I know.

01:27:54.000 But you just asked me this question.

01:27:55.000 I don't.

01:27:56.000 I don't care.

01:27:57.000 I know.

01:27:58.000 But you keep.

01:27:59.000 And I say this.

01:28:00.000 I say, here's what men get.

01:28:01.000 But you keep deflecting and bringing up the past.

01:28:03.000 I'm not deflecting.

01:28:04.000 You're like a woman bringing up the past.

01:28:05.000 I'm just making you answer the same question that I'm answering.

01:28:07.000 Who cares?

01:28:08.000 Who cares about 100 years ago?

01:28:09.000 You say, Andrew, you're not giving me any answers.

01:28:11.000 Here's my answer.

01:28:12.000 Give me one, Pearl.

01:28:13.000 What did they get?

01:28:14.000 What did they ever get?

01:28:15.000 Right.

01:28:16.000 I don't care about 100 years ago.

01:28:18.000 That's right.

01:28:19.000 You got nothing.

01:28:20.000 I care because you're talking about the past.

01:28:22.000 What do they get today, Andrew?

01:28:23.000 What do they get?

01:28:24.000 They get the same thing they've always gotten, which is a family.

01:28:27.000 The thing that seems to make men the most is happy.

01:28:30.000 Unless you can name something else that men were getting before that.

01:28:32.000 And I'm all ears.

01:28:34.000 Do women stay today?

01:28:36.000 Do women stay today?

01:28:38.000 On average, do women stay today?

01:28:40.000 At lesser rates than they used to.

01:28:42.000 Okay.

01:28:43.000 For sure.

01:28:44.000 They do.

01:28:45.000 Okay.

01:28:46.000 Do women.

01:28:47.000 Do women.

01:28:48.000 Do women.

01:28:49.000 But they don't.

01:28:50.000 But they don't get it.

01:28:51.000 They don't get it.

01:28:52.000 A lot of men do get it.

01:28:53.000 That's a lie.

01:28:54.000 They do get it.

01:28:55.000 No, they don't.

01:28:56.000 A lot of men do.

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 I just gave you those stats.

01:29:00.000 And by the way, if you're talking about, again, even when it comes to guardianship, it's quadrupled.

01:29:04.000 If you're talking about marriage in a Christian sense, 25% divorce, low body counts, even less.

01:29:09.000 A lot of men do get it.

01:29:10.000 Are more people getting married today or less?

01:29:13.000 Less.

01:29:14.000 Okay.

01:29:15.000 I'm glad.

01:29:16.000 Less secularists are getting married.

01:29:17.000 Good.

01:29:18.000 Fuck them.

01:29:19.000 Okay.

01:29:20.000 Fuck them.

01:29:21.000 I don't care if they get married or not.

01:29:22.000 Right.

01:29:23.000 But this isn't a religious channel, right?

01:29:24.000 Because you're trying to peddle.

01:29:25.000 I'm not saying it's a religious channel.

01:29:26.000 I'm just talking about outcomes.

01:29:27.000 No, I'm trying to peddle outcomes.

01:29:29.000 Right.

01:29:30.000 Why do I care if secularist men who are hedonistic want to get married or not?

01:29:34.000 It's irrelevant.

01:29:35.000 Right.

01:29:36.000 The future belongs to those who reproduce.

01:29:37.000 Right.

01:29:38.000 And it's not going to be those who don't get married because they go, well, the thing

01:29:41.000 is, is that I don't feel like I'm getting anything that men haven't always gotten for

01:29:47.000 this.

01:29:48.000 And the one thing you could name, same thing I could name, they get children.

01:29:51.000 When I said it, you said, well, Andrew, that's you promoting good for kids.

01:29:54.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:29:56.000 Stop, Pearl.

01:29:57.000 My turn.

01:29:58.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:29:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:00.000 My turn.

01:30:01.000 You don't like the answer.

01:30:02.000 It's my turn.

01:30:03.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:30:04.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:30:05.000 It's a one word answer.

01:30:06.000 It's a one word answer.

01:30:07.000 It's a one word answer.

01:30:08.000 Let me finish the point.

01:30:09.000 It's a one word answer.

01:30:10.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:30:11.000 I wasn't done talking before you interjected with your dumb opinion.

01:30:15.000 Who do the kids belong to?

01:30:16.000 Yeah, Pearl.

01:30:17.000 Pearl, one more time.

01:30:18.000 Can you answer?

01:30:19.000 Can you do it?

01:30:20.000 Can you do it?

01:30:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:22.000 Go ahead.

01:30:23.000 Right now the children belong to the state.

01:30:24.000 Yeah, that's terrible.

01:30:25.000 That sucks.

01:30:26.000 By the way, the children belong to the state before they belong to the king.

01:30:30.000 It's like a spurg.

01:30:31.000 They belong to the king.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, you say it's a spurg because you cut me off every five seconds.

01:30:36.000 What?

01:30:37.000 Yeah, because you don't have a good answer.

01:30:38.000 They don't get anything out of it.

01:30:39.000 Yeah, I gave you the same answer you gave me, which is hilarious, by the way.

01:30:43.000 Same answer.

01:30:44.000 But they don't get a family because women divorce.

01:30:46.000 Pearl, Pearl, can you answer my question?

01:30:47.000 Don't spurg.

01:30:49.000 What's your question?

01:30:50.000 Okay.

01:30:51.000 What have men ever gotten?

01:30:52.000 Can you not bring up history?

01:30:53.000 Pearl, Pearl, can you answer my question?

01:30:54.000 Oh, spurg.

01:30:55.000 Pearl, Pearl.

01:30:56.000 Stop spurging.

01:30:57.000 Stop spurging.

01:30:58.000 I'm just going to answer the question.

01:30:59.000 Let me ask it before you start spurging.

01:31:01.000 What have men ever gotten, Pearl?

01:31:03.000 Ever.

01:31:04.000 I don't care.

01:31:05.000 I don't care about history.

01:31:06.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 I don't care.

01:31:08.000 Yeah.

01:31:09.000 Men today have to make decisions off of the information today, Andrew.

01:31:13.000 It doesn't matter what they got.

01:31:14.000 It's like, what do they get today?

01:31:16.000 Yeah, they get what they've always gotten.

01:31:18.000 Okay.

01:31:19.000 Well, if you want to keep convincing men to wait for born again virgins, totally fine.

01:31:24.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:25.000 I hope.

01:31:26.000 I'm sure.

01:31:27.000 Can you ever tell me where I told any man ever to wait for a born again virgin?

01:31:31.000 Okay.

01:31:32.000 Why do you keep making that shit up?

01:31:35.000 Like, why?

01:31:36.000 You don't even have to strong men.

01:31:38.000 You don't even have to strong men.

01:31:39.000 Okay.

01:31:40.000 You want men to wait for non-virgin women, correct?

01:31:42.000 No.

01:31:43.000 I never said that either.

01:31:44.000 You said that twice.

01:31:45.000 I'm talking about the mitigation of risk.

01:31:46.000 You said that twice.

01:31:47.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:48.000 You said that twice.

01:31:49.000 And here's the thing.

01:31:50.000 You can clip it, right?

01:31:51.000 But I'll counter clip.

01:31:52.000 You won't like what you see because I didn't say that.

01:31:54.000 I'm talking about the mitigation of risk.

01:31:57.000 And when you're talking about the mitigation of risk, it still is actually less risky.

01:32:00.000 Yes.

01:32:01.000 Right.

01:32:02.000 Does that mean it's optimal?

01:32:03.000 No.

01:32:04.000 Do you understand?

01:32:05.000 Hang on.

01:32:06.000 Do you understand the difference between optimal and risk?

01:32:08.000 Do you understand, like, risk mitigation versus optimal?

01:32:11.000 So you want men to find women with below, what, a three body count?

01:32:15.000 Is that what you're suggesting?

01:32:17.000 No.

01:32:18.000 Just less bodies, better.

01:32:19.000 Okay.

01:32:20.000 So what would you say should be the cap?

01:32:22.000 I mean, yeah, again, we're talking about risk mitigation.

01:32:25.000 Okay.

01:32:26.000 Sure.

01:32:27.000 There's something which is a specificity, right?

01:32:28.000 Okay.

01:32:29.000 Okay.

01:32:30.000 So how many, for instance, if I ask this question to you, how many women are, or should you ever

01:32:38.000 sleep with a woman who's fucked 100 men?

01:32:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:41.000 Should a man ever do that?

01:32:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:43.000 Could you answer the question?

01:32:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:45.000 But it's actually answering by showing you how fallacious the actual question is.

01:32:48.000 Okay.

01:32:49.000 So the fallacious, what you're saying is, Andrew, give me a threshold.

01:32:53.000 I'm not here to give you a threshold.

01:32:54.000 I'm here to tell you about the mitigation of risk.

01:32:56.000 The less bodies, the better.

01:32:57.000 Yes.

01:32:58.000 How would a man-

01:32:59.000 Does that mean, though, that if you have a high body count woman, it can't work out?

01:33:01.000 No.

01:33:02.000 Okay.

01:33:03.000 But the risk is way higher.

01:33:04.000 How would men verify that?

01:33:06.000 How would, well, here's the thing.

01:33:08.000 You asked me this last time.

01:33:09.000 It was kind of funny, right?

01:33:10.000 Mm-hmm.

01:33:11.000 So they would verify it the same way they always verified it.

01:33:14.000 They would look at reputation.

01:33:15.000 Mm-hmm.

01:33:16.000 They would look at past history.

01:33:18.000 They would talk with friends.

01:33:19.000 And you know what's really interesting?

01:33:21.000 I went back and I took a look at this.

01:33:23.000 And it turns out that when men investigate these things and poignantly ask these questions,

01:33:27.000 they actually do get a lot of these answers very quickly.

01:33:29.000 You can't actually verify this based on reputation.

01:33:32.000 Okay.

01:33:33.000 So if a woman had a past in a different city, how would the man know?

01:33:38.000 Or she does something-

01:33:40.000 Especially with-

01:33:41.000 She does something on-

01:33:42.000 Social media, families, big mouth sisters, big mouth friends,

01:33:45.000 all the other ways that she would always verify these things.

01:33:47.000 But if she downloads a dating app, how would the guy know?

01:33:50.000 How would the guy know?

01:33:51.000 Yeah, I know, but you can endlessly reduce this hypothetical to the point where you can

01:33:57.000 just continuously add variables.

01:33:59.000 Like what if a woman was in a forest and her plane went down, she was on a desert island

01:34:03.000 for three days and the news never broadcast it.

01:34:06.000 Could she have slept with a man then?

01:34:07.000 Yeah.

01:34:08.000 But I'm saying that again, when it comes to risk and mitigation, you can do investigation

01:34:13.000 the same way women do with men, by the way, to find out their body count.

01:34:16.000 And you can, in fact, suss out fairly quickly if they have a high one or not.

01:34:20.000 Does that mean always?

01:34:21.000 No.

01:34:22.000 But it's all about risk mitigation.

01:34:23.000 So you think most men can figure it out pretty easy.

01:34:26.000 How many people she slept with?

01:34:28.000 Not how many precisely, but whether or not she slept with more than he's comfortable with

01:34:33.000 or has a reputation of lying about sleeping around, which would be red flags, right?

01:34:37.000 Okay.

01:34:38.000 So you think that's pretty easy.

01:34:39.000 So you can just ask around and then men will tell them.

01:34:43.000 No.

01:34:44.000 Well, here's the thing about women that's great, right?

01:34:46.000 They never shut the fuck up.

01:34:47.000 So the greatest thing about them is they like to narrate their lives and they like to do

01:34:50.000 that especially with their friends.

01:34:52.000 Right.

01:34:53.000 And women also, like their friends, like to cause trouble.

01:34:56.000 If you start poking around inside of a woman's female circle, they start blabbing about all

01:35:00.000 kinds of shit.

01:35:01.000 About exes, where they've been, where they haven't been.

01:35:03.000 They do this constantly.

01:35:04.000 Okay.

01:35:05.000 So I want to get back to, because we never finish the step-by-step, so I'd really like

01:35:10.000 to finish that.

01:35:11.000 So you want men to wait for the non-virgin women, correct?

01:35:16.000 No, I don't.

01:35:17.000 No.

01:35:18.000 So you want them to sleep together a month in?

01:35:20.000 Not my position.

01:35:21.000 What's my position?

01:35:22.000 Tell me what my position is.

01:35:23.000 You said that you wanted men to wait till marriage.

01:35:26.000 I said that would be more optimal for men's health to do X thing is not a prescription

01:35:33.000 that they should do X thing.

01:35:35.000 So just because it mitigates risk for you as a man to, if you fall in love with a woman,

01:35:42.000 right, for her to have a low body count, that still mitigates your risk.

01:35:45.000 It's not me prescribing that you go find a woman who's not a virgin and marry her.

01:35:49.000 That's absurd.

01:35:50.000 We're talking about the outcomes here, the pragmatic approach.

01:35:53.000 Okay.

01:35:54.000 But practically, what percent of women do you think are marriageable?

01:35:58.000 What percent?

01:36:00.000 That's hard to say.

01:36:01.000 I don't know.

01:36:02.000 Really?

01:36:03.000 As a practicality.

01:36:04.000 This whole debate?

01:36:05.000 And you didn't even think about this question at all?

01:36:08.000 No, I thought about the question.

01:36:09.000 Okay.

01:36:10.000 It's a very difficult question to notate.

01:36:12.000 How many exactly?

01:36:13.000 Okay.

01:36:14.000 How many women have red hair?

01:36:15.000 I don't know.

01:36:16.000 How many women, you know, have red?

01:36:18.000 I don't know the actual answer to this.

01:36:20.000 You've interviewed so many.

01:36:21.000 I still think that somewhere around at least 20, 25 percent of eligible marriageable women

01:36:28.000 within the element of marriageable men is a good distinct possibility they work out,

01:36:34.000 because that's what the stats show me, that almost 60 percent of these marriages actually

01:36:38.000 do work out long term if they're under the right conditionals.

01:36:42.000 Well, if they're religious, right?

01:36:44.000 No, no, no.

01:36:45.000 That significantly increases it from 60 percent.

01:36:48.000 Okay.

01:36:49.000 Okay.

01:36:50.000 So you want men to find these 20.

01:36:51.000 So the majority of women are not going to work, right?

01:36:54.000 So you're saying to men, you get, you might find out of one out of four women, you might

01:37:00.000 get a wife.

01:37:01.000 No, no, no.

01:37:02.000 I was talking about the totality of the population.

01:37:04.000 Okay, fine.

01:37:05.000 But if you insert risk mitigation for marriageable women, right?

01:37:09.000 Then your, your odds actually drastically increase.

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:13.000 You think one out of four women have a body count under 10?

01:37:16.000 No, I didn't say that either.

01:37:18.000 But you said marriage.

01:37:19.000 But I mean, I think, you think men should accept, do you think men should accept more

01:37:23.000 than 10?

01:37:24.000 Well, here, let's just pull up the stats and see how many women have less than a three

01:37:28.000 body count.

01:37:29.000 Yeah, but I don't, I don't trust stats that women report their body counts.

01:37:32.000 Oh, okay.

01:37:33.000 So now, so now, so now whatever the data says it's wrong too.

01:37:35.000 I mean, if women say it, yeah, come on.

01:37:38.000 If we're asking women about body count, come on, Andrew, you gotta like, be realistic

01:37:43.000 here.

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:45.000 It looks like it's somewhere.

01:37:47.000 The average of it is about 50% of women by the time they're marriageable age have less

01:37:52.000 than a five body count.

01:37:53.000 Yes.

01:37:54.000 That's what I'm looking at.

01:37:55.000 You have been out of the dating market too long, Andrew.

01:37:57.000 This is the stats I'm looking at.

01:37:59.000 All right, guys.

01:38:01.000 Yeah.

01:38:02.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 And now we're looking at marriageable age, which is going to be between the age of 19

01:38:08.000 and 29.

01:38:09.000 Right.

01:38:10.000 So we're looking at marriageable age for children.

01:38:11.000 Okay.

01:38:12.000 Now, is that the case?

01:38:13.000 I don't know if that's the case.

01:38:14.000 Okay.

01:38:15.000 Ultimately, who cares ultimately anyway?

01:38:17.000 Okay.

01:38:18.000 The truth of the matter is that even if it's damaged, no, no.

01:38:20.000 Who cares about body count?

01:38:21.000 That's not what I said.

01:38:22.000 Men should just accept that?

01:38:23.000 Who cares anyway about the topic at, no, no.

01:38:25.000 The topic at hand.

01:38:26.000 The case of the matter is that even if none of them right now were marriageable and they

01:38:30.000 were all fucking skanks and they all had dozens of bodies, we would still be trying to move

01:38:35.000 society towards a reform of such a system and not try to black pill and nihilism all.

01:38:40.000 That would be stupid.

01:38:42.000 Ultimately, when we look at men's happiness, they want to get married.

01:38:46.000 I want to.

01:38:47.000 Okay.

01:38:48.000 Okay.

01:38:49.000 Fine.

01:38:50.000 I want to get back to the step by step.

01:38:51.000 You're happily married.

01:38:52.000 Let's, let's, let's get to the step by step.

01:38:55.000 For what?

01:38:56.000 We're, we're getting stuck at the, the waiting.

01:38:59.000 So what's after that?

01:39:01.000 So then you marry her.

01:39:02.000 I don't understand.

01:39:03.000 What is the question you're asking me?

01:39:05.000 If you're giving a prescription, I want a detailed how to do it.

01:39:11.000 So.

01:39:12.000 Well, what you do is you get a club and you walk over to a chick and you bash her in the

01:39:16.000 fucking head and you take her back to your house and you bang her, right?

01:39:19.000 That's a detailed step by step plan.

01:39:21.000 Or did you maybe want to talk about viable prescriptions rather than viable Andrew gives

01:39:26.000 dating advice, which has nothing at all to do with the conversation, moving men towards

01:39:30.000 marriage ability.

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 But you're okay.

01:39:33.000 So if you want men to get married, you can't tell them how to get there.

01:39:36.000 Really?

01:39:37.000 That's really, that's fucking stupid.

01:39:40.000 What are you talking?

01:39:41.000 Why would, why would I need to be a determining factor for every individual man on earth for

01:39:46.000 a step-by-step guide of how they get married?

01:39:48.000 That's fucking retarded.

01:39:49.000 Okay.

01:39:50.000 Well, like that's literally retarded.

01:39:52.000 Why would my producers on the market?

01:39:54.000 40 year old guy in the Midwest?

01:39:55.000 What should he do?

01:39:56.000 There you go.

01:39:57.000 Lose weight.

01:39:58.000 Okay.

01:39:59.000 Then what?

01:40:00.000 I would start with that.

01:40:01.000 I'm kidding.

01:40:02.000 Mr.

01:40:03.000 Look, I took a cheap shot because it was funny.

01:40:04.000 I like the guy.

01:40:05.000 I thought it was funny.

01:40:06.000 I thought it was funny.

01:40:07.000 Yeah.

01:40:08.000 It was a look, he's, he's getting rid of me.

01:40:10.000 I'm just joking with the guy.

01:40:11.000 I was kidding.

01:40:12.000 Okay.

01:40:13.000 Right.

01:40:14.000 I don't know.

01:40:15.000 I don't know what the intricacies of his life are.

01:40:17.000 Every, every single individual is going to have a completely different.

01:40:20.000 So he should make, he should make the decision and not you.

01:40:23.000 Right?

01:40:24.000 No.

01:40:25.000 Based on where people are in the distinctions of their life.

01:40:27.000 Well, yeah.

01:40:28.000 I mean, ultimately everyone's going to make their own decision, but, but hang on, stop.

01:40:31.000 I'm going to answer your fucking question.

01:40:33.000 Right.

01:40:34.000 Each individual person on planet earth is going to have a unique set of circumstances, which

01:40:40.000 because I'm not an omnipotent God door psychic have no ability at all.

01:40:45.000 So I understand in a comprehensive way, but I can still, even though I know that, that

01:40:50.000 I'm not going to be able to tell how everybody on the road drives.

01:40:53.000 I can still tell you that a stop sign fucking works.

01:40:55.000 Right?

01:40:56.000 So if, if that's true, why do you talk like one?

01:40:59.000 Like what?

01:41:00.000 Like you talk like you're the God that knows like the best way for people to live.

01:41:04.000 I've never done that one.

01:41:05.000 In fact, I just told you that I would not sit here and Google out prescriptions for dating.

01:41:10.000 You call people degenerates if they don't live exactly how you live.

01:41:13.000 No, I'm not asking them to live exactly how I live.

01:41:16.000 That's ridiculous.

01:41:17.000 Mm hmm.

01:41:18.000 Yeah.

01:41:19.000 I mean, I mean, yes, if you're, if you're a home, I just think people are tired.

01:41:23.000 I just think people are tired of getting preached at Andrew.

01:41:25.000 Yeah.

01:41:26.000 I mean, I think that people are tired of you enabling the degeneracy of homosexuality.

01:41:29.000 Cause you won't give a prescription, right?

01:41:31.000 Like what power do I have to stop them?

01:41:34.000 You have the power of the vote, the power of influence.

01:41:36.000 And not only that, here's the other thing that's so funny about this, right?

01:41:39.000 It's like, what power do asking for, and when you ask for, hang on real quick, before

01:41:43.000 we get to that, when he asked for these like detailed, give me a step-by-step guide,

01:41:47.000 Pearl, you have a job, you're a podcaster, right?

01:41:50.000 Give me a step-by-step guide for how everybody on planet earth gets to work.

01:41:54.000 As a podcaster?

01:41:55.000 No, just as anything.

01:41:57.000 Well, I don't know how to do anything.

01:42:00.000 I know how to do, do podcasts.

01:42:01.000 No, no.

01:42:02.000 Just how do people, how does every person on planet earth get to work?

01:42:06.000 Every one of them.

01:42:07.000 As a pod, I could tell you how to do a podcaster.

01:42:09.000 No, just ever.

01:42:10.000 Just ever.

01:42:11.000 Anywhere, at any circumstance, at any time.

01:42:13.000 I wouldn't say that's really the same, but okay.

01:42:15.000 It's the same.

01:42:16.000 To write a prescription for every single individualistic circumstance on earth for every man.

01:42:20.000 That's insane.

01:42:21.000 Well, I know, but I gave you like, what more information?

01:42:23.000 You could ask more questions and I could give you specific answers.

01:42:26.000 I don't even have to use my producer.

01:42:28.000 I mean, why would you?

01:42:29.000 First of all, I'm not a dating coach.

01:42:31.000 That's not what I'm here to do.

01:42:32.000 If I was going to give a quote, like if I was going to do the podcasting one, like

01:42:36.000 I would have a set of questions that I could easily give you a step-by-step for what

01:42:39.000 you want to do.

01:42:40.000 Oh, so you can't tell based on general circumstance, but you need to have individual experiences.

01:42:45.000 Right.

01:42:46.000 So ask me, ask me a few questions and then I can give you an example of a guy.

01:42:49.000 Yeah, right.

01:42:50.000 Exactly.

01:42:51.000 That's my whole point.

01:42:52.000 So when you ask me for a prescription for every man on earth, I would need to individually

01:42:55.000 ask each of them a bunch of questions.

01:42:57.000 I didn't say every man on earth, but we can do a hypothetical.

01:43:00.000 We could do a hypothetical guy.

01:43:01.000 Yes, you did.

01:43:02.000 Then why don't, why don't we do a hypothetical?

01:43:03.000 It should be easy.

01:43:04.000 Give me, ask me a few questions.

01:43:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:07.000 So here's the thing.

01:43:08.000 I'm not, I'm not.

01:43:09.000 Okay.

01:43:10.000 So I'm trying to answer.

01:43:11.000 You're not, I'm not a dating coach.

01:43:12.000 I never said that I was a dating coach, but the thing is I don't build highways either,

01:43:16.000 but I sure know when the highways fucked up Pearl.

01:43:19.000 Okay.

01:43:20.000 So you don't have any, no, I I've answered every single question.

01:43:24.000 You don't understand how fallacious the, even, even the arguments you're making are,

01:43:28.000 but how absurd the questions become.

01:43:29.000 It's absurd for me to, if you're giving a prescription, which I'm not, but you are,

01:43:34.000 it's absurd for me to ask questions of how to get there.

01:43:36.000 No, you can ask whatever question you want, but just understand that when I equate it

01:43:40.000 to you're trying to get, you get me to give a prescription of every man on earth, which

01:43:43.000 is stated multiple times and you're, then you change it to, well, this one individual

01:43:47.000 man based on his unique set of circumstances, it's going to change and vary from person to

01:43:52.000 person to person to person.

01:43:53.000 It's like asking me what kind of car should a man drive based on his unique set of circumstance.

01:43:57.000 I don't fucking know.

01:43:58.000 Did you, I mean, okay.

01:43:59.000 So did you meet my like dad when you were here?

01:44:01.000 Did you meet him?

01:44:02.000 I don't know if you did.

01:44:03.000 I don't know.

01:44:04.000 So my dad, he's worked in, okay, you might've maybe didn't.

01:44:07.000 He's worked in software for like 30 years.

01:44:09.000 He's a really pragmatic guy, right?

01:44:11.000 Yeah.

01:44:12.000 And the equivalent of what you're saying is like, if you had an opinion on his software

01:44:16.000 breaking, I mean, it's cool.

01:44:19.000 And then you say, oh, well, this is what you should do with the software.

01:44:22.000 And he would say, okay, well, how do I do it?

01:44:24.000 And then you say, well, I can't give you an answer, you know, and that like, he would

01:44:29.000 just think you're an idiot.

01:44:30.000 Oh, really?

01:44:31.000 And it's the same.

01:44:32.000 It's the same.

01:44:33.000 So like, if a person was on YouTube and was like, hey, you should really have a live chat.

01:44:37.000 I know, I know, I know, I know what you're going to like.

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 I know what you're going to, you're going to try to equate it.

01:44:42.000 Um, so, and that's kind of what you're doing.

01:44:44.000 You're saying that.

01:44:45.000 YouTube should have a live chat.

01:44:46.000 And you're saying.

01:44:47.000 Yeah.

01:44:48.000 Do you know how to put one in?

01:44:49.000 No.

01:44:50.000 I just, I just, in my, my opinion, and I'll just, I'll just, my opinion is you've just

01:44:55.000 kind of been out of the dating game too long.

01:44:58.000 Maybe.

01:44:59.000 And I, I think you would get eaten alive.

01:45:00.000 Like, I think if you believe that half of women have three bodies, I don't know how you

01:45:05.000 believe that for doing like, whatever.

01:45:06.000 That's not what I said.

01:45:07.000 I know, but you're deciding.

01:45:08.000 That's literally not what I said.

01:45:10.000 Okay.

01:45:11.000 Okay.

01:45:12.000 Fine, fine, fine.

01:45:13.000 The body count stats that you cited would be so to rate ridiculous to any guy actually.

01:45:18.000 They may be, listen, they may be, but I literally said just based on what a cursory glance.

01:45:23.000 I know, I know, I know.

01:45:24.000 But I don't even know how you believe them with like being on whatever all the time.

01:45:28.000 I didn't say I believed them.

01:45:29.000 Okay.

01:45:30.000 Like I've never said any of this.

01:45:32.000 I don't know if the best approach is going to, I don't know if your prescription is working

01:45:40.000 in the modern world.

01:45:41.000 I think it's going to leave a lot of guys frustrated.

01:45:43.000 That's great.

01:45:44.000 Do you, Pearl, do you have any prescription?

01:45:46.000 However, I do.

01:45:47.000 Do you have any prescription at all?

01:45:49.000 As I've said, I don't tell men how to live.

01:45:51.000 No.

01:45:52.000 No, you have none.

01:45:53.000 I don't.

01:45:54.000 How do you criticize anybody for anything?

01:45:55.000 You have nothing.

01:45:56.000 You have nothing to offer anybody.

01:45:57.000 I don't.

01:45:58.000 Well, what I do is I do report on the facts and the trends and where I see things going.

01:46:02.000 I'm in the business of prediction.

01:46:03.000 Yeah.

01:46:04.000 That's fine to be a newscaster.

01:46:05.000 You keep, that's what I do.

01:46:07.000 Right?

01:46:08.000 Yeah.

01:46:09.000 You can be a newscaster.

01:46:10.000 I do that.

01:46:11.000 But then how can you criticize anybody's odds though?

01:46:12.000 Call in shows.

01:46:13.000 Yeah.

01:46:14.000 Well, I don't criticize if you say this is a way you can do it or you could do it that

01:46:19.000 way.

01:46:20.000 You mean all the things that I just said for risk mitigation?

01:46:21.000 But when you're saying if you don't live how I live, you're a degenerate.

01:46:24.000 Never happens.

01:46:25.000 And you, that's what you insinuate.

01:46:28.000 You can keep saying.

01:46:29.000 No, no.

01:46:30.000 I will specifically say like homosexuality is degenerate.

01:46:32.000 Right.

01:46:33.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:46:34.000 If a guy chooses to live life on his own terms and not your terms, you insinuate that

01:46:40.000 there's something wrong with them.

01:46:41.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.000 If a man decides to live a life of promiscuity and drugs, I think he's degenerate.

01:46:45.000 Right.

01:46:46.000 Yes, that's correct.

01:46:47.000 Yes.

01:46:48.000 Right.

01:46:49.000 But I mean, this is all kind of like, I mean, come on.

01:46:50.000 Were you a virgin on your wedding day?

01:46:52.000 Like, come on.

01:46:53.000 Never said I was.

01:46:54.000 I was also deeply steeped myself in the degeneracy of promiscuity.

01:46:59.000 No secret.

01:47:00.000 But so the way it comes across to a lot of people is I had my fun, but you can't.

01:47:04.000 And that's how, that's how it, that's how it's going to come off to people.

01:47:08.000 Oh, I see.

01:47:09.000 I see.

01:47:10.000 And I like, I am somehow, and I am somehow morally superior because-

01:47:14.000 You've ever done anything wrong.

01:47:16.000 Right.

01:47:17.000 So I also smoke and tell my kids not to smoke.

01:47:18.000 What a scumbag.

01:47:19.000 I just, I can't believe it.

01:47:20.000 Why would I do that?

01:47:21.000 Why would I smoke and also tell my kids not to smoke?

01:47:24.000 I also tell your kids not to smoke.

01:47:26.000 It's totally fine with children.

01:47:27.000 I would tell your kids not to smoke too.

01:47:28.000 But these are, these are adult men.

01:47:30.000 Like they don't need to be nagged.

01:47:31.000 Right.

01:47:32.000 You're, you're like turning into a woman where you're nagging them.

01:47:34.000 Nobody's nagging.

01:47:35.000 The only one who's nagging them is you because you're trying to knock down every single societal

01:47:39.000 prescriptor possible to help them.

01:47:41.000 That's not what I said.

01:47:42.000 I said, if men want to try, if men want to try your way, I have no problem with that.

01:47:48.000 You can try it.

01:47:49.000 I don't think it's pragmatic in the modern world based on what I've seen.

01:47:54.000 But who am I to tell a guy how to date?

01:47:57.000 What is pragmatic in the modern world?

01:47:59.000 Can you tell me that?

01:48:00.000 I think it's tough.

01:48:02.000 Um, I don't.

01:48:03.000 That's not a fucking answer.

01:48:04.000 It's not pragmatic.

01:48:05.000 Well, what's pragmatic?

01:48:06.000 I don't know.

01:48:07.000 I think that, I think most men can come up with their own solutions better than me,

01:48:11.000 a YouTuber.

01:48:12.000 If you make a claim that anything I say is not pragmatic, when I say, well, then what

01:48:16.000 is pragmatic?

01:48:17.000 And you say, I don't know.

01:48:18.000 I wouldn't predict that it would work.

01:48:20.000 I could give my opinion, right?

01:48:22.000 Okay, so what is that?

01:48:23.000 But what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to label adult men as degenerate if they

01:48:28.000 don't live according to my personal morality.

01:48:29.000 Okay, great.

01:48:30.000 So what is the most pragmatic thing men can do?

01:48:32.000 What is it?

01:48:33.000 I think the most pragmatic thing that men can do is look at the facts and make a decision

01:48:38.000 based on the information he has about his own life.

01:48:40.000 I think if, but I don't think, I don't.

01:48:43.000 You mean exactly what I have been saying the entire time?

01:48:46.000 No, but you say that you have the answers and I don't think you do.

01:48:49.000 Because I think that.

01:48:50.000 I didn't.

01:48:51.000 What answers did I say I had?

01:48:52.000 I think that the prescription you gave of a step-by-step of how to get to marriage

01:48:57.000 would not work in the modern day.

01:48:58.000 What prescriptions did I get for that?

01:49:00.000 You gave a prescription on waiting for a woman that does not wait.

01:49:06.000 No.

01:49:07.000 No, I didn't give that as a prescription.

01:49:09.000 I only gave it as a contrast of outcome for men who go and hook up with those women

01:49:15.000 and don't get married having worse outcomes.

01:49:17.000 Yeah.

01:49:18.000 That is not a prescription that you should do the thing, Pearl, for the 30th time.

01:49:22.000 Okay, well.

01:49:23.000 It's just both things bad, one thing worse.

01:49:25.000 Right.

01:49:26.000 That's it.

01:49:27.000 But the way you're talking, it's like you're the ultimate morality police of what's good

01:49:31.000 and bad.

01:49:32.000 Great.

01:49:33.000 Yes or no would be great.

01:49:34.000 I gave you an answer.

01:49:36.000 Is it yes or no?

01:49:37.000 Is there anything men can do sexually with people that you find degenerate?

01:49:42.000 Men are responding to the rules that women made.

01:49:48.000 So if a man fucks a dog, can we call him degenerate?

01:49:53.000 That's just gross.

01:49:55.000 Okay.

01:49:56.000 Can we call it?

01:49:57.000 Can we at least say that's degenerate?

01:50:00.000 I mean, I would just say it's disgusting.

01:50:02.000 Like that's nasty.

01:50:03.000 But not degenerate.

01:50:04.000 You're still not willing to call that degenerate?

01:50:06.000 I mean, if you want to like be the moral police.

01:50:08.000 If a man grabs another man and fucks him up the hairy ass, that's not degenerate?

01:50:11.000 If you want to essentially like act as a preacher, it's totally fine.

01:50:15.000 I just think people are tired of it.

01:50:16.000 What's the preaching?

01:50:17.000 There's no preaching.

01:50:18.000 I just asked you a question.

01:50:19.000 I've never preached on this channel ever.

01:50:21.000 I'm still not preaching.

01:50:22.000 I'm just offering real world solutions.

01:50:24.000 Sure.

01:50:25.000 Under the same very idea of privatism.

01:50:26.000 I'm totally.

01:50:27.000 So my question.

01:50:28.000 Yeah, men are going to totally watch this and see.

01:50:30.000 Can you say that a man who fucks a dog is a degenerate?

01:50:34.000 Um, that's disgusting.

01:50:35.000 I'll call that a degenerate.

01:50:36.000 Fine.

01:50:37.000 Okay.

01:50:38.000 Fucking finally.

01:50:39.000 A dog.

01:50:40.000 But a man who fucks another man up his hairy asshole is not.

01:50:43.000 Um, I mean, I just don't care if he does that.

01:50:46.000 Is that a degenerate or not?

01:50:48.000 I mean, that's gross, but.

01:50:50.000 You don't know.

01:50:51.000 You don't know if that's degenerate.

01:50:52.000 I'm just not here.

01:50:53.000 I'm not here to tell men what to do in their sex lives.

01:50:56.000 I think people are tired of getting policed.

01:50:58.000 And like men from the time they're really young.

01:51:00.000 I'm sorry that some men who fuck dogs are tired of getting policed.

01:51:02.000 Men.

01:51:03.000 Men.

01:51:04.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:51:05.000 Like men from a young age are shamed for their sexuality.

01:51:08.000 They're shamed from a super young age.

01:51:10.000 They're told they're, they're not like they're wrong for watching corn.

01:51:13.000 They're told they're wrong for wanting to have sex with women.

01:51:15.000 They're told they're wrong for approaching.

01:51:17.000 I don't think we need another person telling them they're wrong.

01:51:20.000 Yeah, this is great.

01:51:21.000 They're wrong.

01:51:22.000 They're wrong.

01:51:23.000 They're wrong.

01:51:24.000 They're wrong.

01:51:25.000 Stop interrupting me.

01:51:26.000 Stop.

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:28.000 What do you think have bad outcomes for men?

01:51:30.000 We should still promote.

01:51:31.000 Andrew, like I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be nice, but like you're on my show.

01:51:34.000 Can you stop interrupting me, please?

01:51:35.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 You interrupt as much as I do.

01:51:37.000 Okay.

01:51:38.000 I don't think that's true, but it's okay.

01:51:39.000 And by the way, who's on whose show right now?

01:51:41.000 Really?

01:51:42.000 You're right.

01:51:43.000 You are a very big YouTuber.

01:51:44.000 Okay.

01:51:45.000 You're very big.

01:51:46.000 You're very famous.

01:51:47.000 Okay.

01:51:48.000 So, um, but I just think men from a young age have been shamed for their sexuality.

01:51:52.000 I don't think they really need someone else doing it.

01:51:54.000 And it just comes off as like a holier than thou when you're constantly calling them degenerates

01:51:59.000 for responding to the environment that women made.

01:52:03.000 I don't think it's pragmatic for most men to wait until they're 30 to have sex.

01:52:08.000 I don't think that.

01:52:09.000 And most women don't select most men until they're in their late twenties, early thirties.

01:52:13.000 Go ahead.

01:52:14.000 So let me get this right.

01:52:15.000 Just to make sure that I have this correct.

01:52:17.000 Uh, I don't, me, Pearl Davis don't want to govern the behavior of men.

01:52:21.000 How dare you call men who engage in sexual promiscuity degenerates, even though that

01:52:25.000 would be, you know, you governing the behavior of me, man, right?

01:52:28.000 Pure hypocrisy on display.

01:52:30.000 Yes.

01:52:31.000 Well, I can't control it.

01:52:32.000 I mean, I can't control anything they do.

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 But so somehow you can give a prescription that I shouldn't be doing that, but I can't give

01:52:38.000 a prescription for what other people should be doing.

01:52:39.000 Well, you can.

01:52:40.000 You totally can.

01:52:41.000 But you just think people are tired of it.

01:52:44.000 They're tired of men saying this is really bad for men to do for their own health.

01:52:49.000 I would say that men are pretty tired of being nagged for their sexuality in general.

01:52:54.000 Oh, well, I think that men though, by and large are going to agree with me on this, that

01:53:00.000 degenerate behavior and honorifics in men is something which men generally tend to steer

01:53:05.000 clear of, especially on honor cultures, which is the culture that we come from.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I don't think that that has anything to do with religion at all.

01:53:14.000 I just, I don't think what you're selling is a good sell.

01:53:17.000 So.

01:53:18.000 Okay.

01:53:19.000 Well, I mean, I'm selling something at least, right?

01:53:21.000 You're not selling anything.

01:53:22.000 Just descriptors.

01:53:23.000 Totally fine.

01:53:24.000 Totally.

01:53:25.000 Like the red pill news broadcast.

01:53:26.000 I do.

01:53:27.000 I do the news, you know, it's fine.

01:53:28.000 All right.

01:53:29.000 I don't think men are going to really watch this and think this is a great thing.

01:53:33.000 I'm getting a ton out of this because I just, there's no selling point.

01:53:38.000 You get a ex hoe.

01:53:39.000 That's like pretty much what you're saying.

01:53:41.000 Or maybe a girl that's fucked two other dudes.

01:53:43.000 Literally not saying any of that.

01:53:44.000 In fact, the opposite.

01:53:46.000 In fact, I'm trying to initiate inside any sort of reform so that we can get away from

01:53:50.000 that, but the second I do, you call it, you say, how dare you preach about degeneracy?

01:53:54.000 Okay.

01:53:55.000 And it's like, well, wait, you can't have high body counts if they're not fucking on Pearl.

01:53:58.000 Right.

01:53:59.000 And they can't have high body counts if they're not fucking.

01:54:01.000 One thing called social shame, which leads to degeneracy, is that.

01:54:04.000 I don't think anything you're saying is very realistic.

01:54:07.000 I think it like kind of sounds like.

01:54:09.000 You just switch between these two arguments.

01:54:11.000 Is it that I call it degenerates or that you think it's not realistic?

01:54:13.000 Well, I think there, yeah, I think there's two parts to it.

01:54:16.000 One is that you're shaming men for their behavior and their sexuality.

01:54:20.000 And two is that I think that none of the changes that you're talking about really are realistic

01:54:29.000 anytime soon.

01:54:30.000 And so men have to make decisions on marriage today.

01:54:34.000 And unfortunately, the value prop you're saying just isn't great.

01:54:37.000 Because at the end of the day, men's kids don't belong to them.

01:54:41.000 Women have more power in the media, in the state, and in society in general.

01:54:48.000 And so I don't really see this that men rushing to sign up to get married.

01:54:53.000 Great.

01:54:54.000 So tell me again, what's the most pragmatic thing men can do right now then?

01:54:57.000 Um, it depends on the guy.

01:55:01.000 I can't speak about men as a collection.

01:55:04.000 Okay.

01:55:05.000 Yeah.

01:55:06.000 The most pragmatic thing that men can do, I don't know.

01:55:09.000 It depends on the guy.

01:55:10.000 Andrew, walk me through dating.

01:55:11.000 Well, I don't know.

01:55:12.000 It depends on the guy.

01:55:13.000 No, that's not good enough.

01:55:14.000 Because you were giving a prescription.

01:55:15.000 But it's okay.

01:55:16.000 Not only that.

01:55:17.000 It's okay.

01:55:18.000 One last thing.

01:55:19.000 I do have another guest coming, so I do have to go.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:22.000 But I got one last thing, just real quick.

01:55:23.000 Okay.

01:55:24.000 To summarize this.

01:55:25.000 I'm gonna send it.

01:55:26.000 I'm listening.

01:55:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:28.000 My interest is in men's health, in men's welfare, in men's well-being, ultimately.

01:55:33.000 I've given nothing but great prescriptions towards that.

01:55:36.000 You've given nothing towards that.

01:55:38.000 Okay.

01:55:39.000 Instead, you just offer epistemic nihilism over and over and over again.

01:55:41.000 And you can't actually refute any of the points without telling me what I should be doing.

01:55:45.000 It's like a performative contradiction on its face.

01:55:47.000 Okay.

01:55:48.000 Now, listen.

01:55:49.000 Here's the thing that's funny about this.

01:55:50.000 Okay.

01:55:51.000 I won't go on a monologue for a closer here.

01:55:53.000 I did enjoy the conversation, ultimately, and I know as heated as this got, I want my

01:55:57.000 entire chat to know, and yours too, I don't have any problems with Hannah.

01:56:01.000 Never will.

01:56:02.000 I don't have any problems with Pearl Davis, right?

01:56:04.000 I've always respected the work that she does, but sometimes this kind of like in-house

01:56:08.000 slugfest is necessary and good for all sides.

01:56:12.000 And I still consider her to be a friend.

01:56:14.000 I know that this was a very heated debate, ultimately, but I don't have any bad blood towards

01:56:19.000 you.

01:56:20.000 I just want to let you know that.

01:56:21.000 I don't have any bad blood towards you.

01:56:22.000 I'm never talking to you again.

01:56:24.000 That's fair.

01:56:25.000 I'm just kidding.

01:56:26.000 That's fair.

01:56:27.000 Anyway.

01:56:28.000 Hold on.

01:56:29.000 I think that this sort of thing is good, ultimately.

01:56:30.000 Yeah.

01:56:31.000 Have you debated, like, who have you debated in the red pill space?

01:56:36.000 I don't know.

01:56:37.000 A lot of them.

01:56:38.000 I was just curious.

01:56:39.000 Okay.

01:56:40.000 Well, thanks for coming on.

01:56:41.000 We have Amorous Husbands on next.

01:56:43.000 Do you know who that is?

01:56:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:45.000 Oh, that's going to be wild.

01:56:47.000 I'll do a raid over to your channel, too.

01:56:49.000 Okay.

01:56:50.000 Because that's going to be a fucking wild one.

01:56:51.000 But look, really, there's no bad blood.

01:56:53.000 I know that my job is to debate my world to be the best I possibly can.

01:56:56.000 Sometimes that has created conflict with people like you, who are friends of mine in the past.

01:57:01.000 I definitely don't want that.

01:57:03.000 And I am very much a supporter of the types of work that you do with the descriptors that you put out.

01:57:08.000 I think that they're golden, many of them.

01:57:09.000 I've used many of those stats myself.

01:57:11.000 So there's no bad blood here.

01:57:13.000 Never think for a second there is.

01:57:14.000 Okay.

01:57:15.000 All right.

01:57:16.000 Thanks for coming.

01:57:17.000 You know what?

01:57:18.000 The funny thing is, I always am hesitant to use your first name because I forget yours is public.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, no.

01:57:25.000 Andrew's fine, yeah.

01:57:26.000 Because so many people in this space are not public, so I always have to think about it first.

01:57:30.000 I'm like, wait, no.

01:57:31.000 I don't have to call you the crucible.

01:57:33.000 Thanks for coming, Andrew.

01:57:35.000 All right.

01:57:36.000 Thank you, Pearl.

01:57:37.000 Have a good day.

01:57:38.000 Okay.

01:57:39.000 Bye.

01:57:40.000 All right, guys.

01:57:41.000 So next we got Amareth.

01:57:42.000 And then I'm going to read Super Chats.

01:57:45.000 Okay.

01:57:46.000 We got over a thousand people.

01:57:49.000 Do you want to actually, Doug MPA, can you send him the link?

01:57:52.000 Yeah, because I want to see if he has any thoughts on the conversation.

01:57:55.000 Actually, it would have been interesting.

01:57:57.000 I should have brought both of them up.

01:57:58.000 I feel like Doug MPA would have loved this.

01:58:01.000 Okay.

01:58:03.000 So let's do supers.

01:58:09.000 All right.

01:58:11.000 Andrew is completely out of line.

01:58:12.000 Most things, he says, are usually on point, but his homophobia is on full display at this time.

01:58:17.000 Well, again, I'm kind of homophobic, too.

01:58:20.000 I just, like, I just don't care.

01:58:23.000 Andrew's stepdad are men that women wouldn't date if they have kids.

01:58:26.000 Andrew.

01:58:27.000 Andrew's a stepdad.

01:58:28.000 Pearl, your value, pragmatism, and happiness above any other outcome.

01:58:31.000 Zero moral ground, the same as your liberal and feminist followers.

01:58:35.000 Pearl sounding like a modern 304, I guess so.

01:58:38.000 Pearl versus pale man from Pan's Labyrinth.

01:58:41.000 Oh, my gosh, Peter.

01:58:43.000 I made love to my first wife.

01:58:45.000 She passed away.

01:58:46.000 I married again and made love to her.

01:58:47.000 What does that make me?

01:58:48.000 A degenerate, obviously.

01:58:51.000 Yes.

01:58:52.000 And this is my point.

01:58:53.000 They peddle religion.

01:58:54.000 So, like, you just, every time someone's trying to sell you something, they're always going to, like, push things, like, towards their worldview.

01:59:03.000 And that's the problem.

01:59:04.000 Yes, we are peddling religion.

01:59:06.000 If you don't believe in any higher purpose, then there's no reason to get married or have a family or do anything except party.

01:59:12.000 Yeah.

01:59:13.000 And I think that's the other point.

01:59:14.000 Most people aren't that religious.

01:59:16.000 Marriage is a sacrament of the church and not a piece of paper.

01:59:19.000 Also, I forgot he met you, so I'm sorry you got dragged into this.

01:59:23.000 I forgot he met you in person.

01:59:26.000 You were this, like, fantasy, like, guy.

01:59:29.000 I was like, no, don't roast my producer.

01:59:32.000 Don't do that.

01:59:34.000 He's innocent in this.

01:59:37.000 History, they got a real possibility of family.

01:59:40.000 Democracy's design has been failing as we've reached it.

01:59:43.000 You can't stop what people believe in, good or bad.

01:59:46.000 Collapse is likely the only option left.

01:59:48.000 You guys are talking past each other.

01:59:51.000 Andrew cares about higher meaning and purpose in his worldview, one of the Christian ethics.

01:59:56.000 Pearl is strictly sticking to the material in here and now.

02:00:01.000 The parasocial weirdo Gen X fans.

02:00:05.000 Only subscribers are mad they're daddies.

02:00:07.000 They live vicariously through getting wrecked to get a surrogate.

02:00:13.000 Men's reward is further out of reach than in history.

02:00:15.000 This is the point.

02:00:17.000 The non-set, if the product is good, people will buy, will line up, is historically and evidently not true at all.

02:00:24.000 It's called getting a surrogate.

02:00:25.000 Destroys his argument.

02:00:26.000 Kids raised by a single father do just as well as a two-parent household.

02:00:30.000 Don't need real marriage.

02:00:31.000 Ask if things have gotten worse.

02:00:33.000 Oh, I should have asked that.

02:00:34.000 Good question.

02:00:35.000 He can't acknowledge it's gotten worse.

02:00:37.000 What men get in family and children in a lifetime commitment, being a father and raising children with a mother is its own reward.

02:00:45.000 It fills a base.

02:00:47.000 Women either ignore NIST or deny it exists.

02:00:51.000 Women could fix all of this if they wanted to.

02:00:53.000 They created the system.

02:00:54.000 They have votes.

02:00:55.000 Men didn't break the social contract.

02:00:57.000 Women did.

02:00:58.000 And since they're so smart, why don't they fix this?

02:01:00.000 Urban families are non-existent.

02:01:03.000 People don't communicate anymore just looking for that money.

02:01:06.000 Yes, men get what they always got for marriage and kids, but the risks and costs for the gambler weigh up.

02:01:12.000 A thousand times in the past years, Andrew, you're arguing against the rational analysis of billions of men.

02:01:17.000 Men get a family which gets destroyed.

02:01:20.000 It's easy to make silly OF girls look bad.

02:01:22.000 But when Andrew is over his head dealing with Pearl, men garnered authority and respect from their wives.

02:01:27.000 That was their benefit.

02:01:28.000 Egalitarians will never allow male authority.

02:01:31.000 The allure in history of the possibility of getting a family was much higher and reasonable.

02:01:35.000 He can't acknowledge it's getting worse from history.

02:01:38.000 Oh my gosh, there's so many.

02:01:41.000 Um,

02:01:42.000 Shuts up everyone.

02:01:44.000 I really enjoyed seeing Andrew and louder with Crowder for me personally seeing Andrew getting on bigger outlets.

02:01:48.000 I'm predicting eventually a collision course with at Andrew and Matt Walsh.

02:01:54.000 Prescription isn't the problem getting there is OMG from the cave.

02:01:57.000 The dude reminds me of an apocalypse giving the gospel.

02:01:59.000 I'm going to have to change my day of evening plans.

02:02:02.000 Now, women's influential control politics,

02:02:04.000 AKA government and companies for advertisement.

02:02:07.000 They have the power over propaganda and try convincing power to give up power.

02:02:10.000 Great prescription, but you can't make it.

02:02:13.000 Um, look at the support we are.

02:02:15.000 Oh wait, I read this one.

02:02:16.000 Okay.

02:02:17.000 Let me refresh.

02:02:18.000 And then Doug MPA can give his points.

02:02:21.000 Um,

02:02:23.000 Okay.

02:02:24.000 Doug MPA.

02:02:25.000 How you doing?

02:02:26.000 Hey,

02:02:27.000 bro.

02:02:28.000 How are you doing?

02:02:29.000 How are you doing?

02:02:30.000 I'm good.

02:02:31.000 What's going on?

02:02:32.000 Um,

02:02:33.000 so I like Andrew Wilson.

02:02:36.000 Uh,

02:02:37.000 I'll be team pro cause I've been supporting you since before you got famous.

02:02:47.000 Um,

02:02:48.000 my biggest thing with Andrew is he keeps doing the whole men.

02:02:55.000 Oh, society.

02:02:57.000 And one of the best quotes I've ever heard is women change the social rules to the 20th century and the 20th and the 20th century and the 21st century is going to be men responding to it.

02:03:10.000 And men like Andrew does not, they do not.

02:03:13.000 Men like Andrew don't like how men are responding to the, how women rewrote society.

02:03:19.000 And he makes a false dichotomy between you either virtuous and you're a man in a marriage or you're being a bunch of horse.

02:03:26.000 And that's not true.

02:03:27.000 The red pill never says just being a bunch of horse guys.

02:03:30.000 You don't have to be a pack fuel for some woman.

02:03:33.000 You just don't.

02:03:34.000 And men don't get anything out of me.

02:03:38.000 The average man doesn't get anything out of marriage.

02:03:40.000 I'm sorry.

02:03:41.000 And also with religious prescriptions, we all know that religious women can be as big of horse, if not bigger horse than secular women.

02:03:51.000 There is a social infrastructure in place to reward women being, um, uh, not having virtue and not being virtuous.

02:04:01.000 So Andrew says look for virtuous women.

02:04:03.000 Okay.

02:04:04.000 What incentive do women have?

02:04:07.000 Okay.

02:04:08.000 For a woman to be virtuous, she has to act in a virtuous way, right?

02:04:14.000 Like Christians, you have to choose to be a Christian.

02:04:19.000 You labor yourself, you labor yourself as one and you choose to live that lifestyle.

02:04:23.000 If a woman is to be virtuous, she has to, to exist in a virtuous way.

02:04:27.000 In modern society, women aren't virtuous and they are celebrated for not being virtuous.

02:04:34.000 So there's no point in men getting married if they don't get anything.

02:04:39.000 Women will divorce you.

02:04:40.000 They'll take your kids.

02:04:42.000 And here's the thing.

02:04:43.000 The only thing worse than being lonely and men being lonely and being unhappy is getting your family ripped away from you paying alimony and child support while your wife bangs her personal trainer on your dime.

02:04:55.000 And the red pill, the worst thing that could happen is usually that.

02:05:02.000 So I'd rather be lonely by myself than be a guy that bought the bought a bad deal.

02:05:09.000 And now his wife gets the benefit, his ex-wife gets the benefit for the rest of his life while he's in poverty.

02:05:16.000 And so I like the fact that Andrew is so hopeful and so optimistic.

02:05:21.000 But you got to live.

02:05:24.000 Now, guys, your emotional, mental, spiritual and monetary health is at stake.

02:05:31.000 And no one is going to care about you unless you care about yourself.

02:05:35.000 And here's the thing.

02:05:37.000 What a lot of these trad cons don't realize is that us red pill people, we can say, don't get married all you want.

02:05:44.000 Don't get kids.

02:05:45.000 Don't have kids all you want.

02:05:46.000 But men are going to keep doing men are going to keep making decisions because that's what men do.

02:05:51.000 We're cost benefit calculators.

02:05:52.000 We make decisions.

02:05:53.000 The red pill is just about awareness.

02:05:55.000 We want men to make the best decision possible because no matter the decision, whatever the outcome is, it's your fault.

02:06:03.000 You have to take responsibility for it.

02:06:06.000 And there's been 40, 50 years of unadulterated, unfiltered, unchallenged misandry in this country.

02:06:14.000 And also, one last thing.

02:06:16.000 Anything that's taken for granted, take it away from the person and see what happens.

02:06:23.000 That's what men are doing right now.

02:06:25.000 Men have been taken for granted for the past 50 years.

02:06:29.000 Men have been women's little, you know, little golden shiny toy that they've been, you know, tossing around and kicking around and throwing in the mud and stuff.

02:06:42.000 They've been taking their shiny little toy for granted.

02:06:45.000 Men are saying, if you think you're so strong, independent, go right ahead and see what happens.

02:06:50.000 And so I'm all for men unplugging, minding your own business.

02:06:57.000 Don't get married.

02:06:59.000 Don't have kids.

02:07:00.000 Men, most of the people alone throughout history have been men.

02:07:05.000 Now we can see what happens when it's women.

02:07:09.000 Women think they want the smoke of being a man.

02:07:12.000 But they don't know what that entails.

02:07:15.000 Being a man is a long, hard road.

02:07:18.000 It's not fun.

02:07:20.000 But it's also the greatest responsibility and the greatest gift that you could possibly have is the journey of a man.

02:07:28.000 Women think they want the smoke.

02:07:31.000 So let them find out.

02:07:33.000 Live life on your own terms.

02:07:35.000 As long as you're not being a terrible person, you're not harming others.

02:07:40.000 So I just don't like, especially with religious people.

02:07:43.000 I'm not religious, but these religious prescriptors.

02:07:47.000 Pearl tries to make her content relatable to all men.

02:07:54.000 Not just Christians, Muslims, or whatever.

02:07:57.000 Because all men can get God.

02:07:59.000 All of them can.

02:08:01.000 So Pearl is trying to appeal to as many men as possible.

02:08:08.000 And so anyway, so I just, I like Andrew.

02:08:13.000 He's my favorite debater right now.

02:08:16.000 I like watching him cook these hoes.

02:08:19.000 But when it comes to modern dating and what men have to go through, it's rough out here, man.

02:08:26.000 It's rough out here.

02:08:28.000 I'm going to read from the website.

02:08:30.000 If you guys have anything on the website, you do get unlimited super chats on the audacitynetwork.com.

02:08:35.000 The link is in the description.

02:08:36.000 We are on both app stores.

02:08:38.000 It was a good heated debate.

02:08:39.000 It got very heated, but I enjoyed it.

02:08:41.000 I think you should continue this with him, but maybe have Rachel on at the same time.

02:08:45.000 Okay.

02:08:46.000 Yeah, probably.

02:08:47.000 We could do it again.

02:08:49.000 Um, okay.

02:08:52.000 The, I didn't see Andrew was talking about, what do you think about the argument, Doug,

02:08:57.000 that he was saying how like, it's best for men to get married.

02:09:00.000 And he just wants, he just does what's best for men.

02:09:03.000 Um, so you, the biggest, I don't have any children.

02:09:08.000 Right.

02:09:09.000 And my, my parents say, Oh, why do you have any children?

02:09:11.000 I say, because I'd have to have a children.

02:09:13.000 I'd have to have a child with one of these modern women.

02:09:16.000 Modern women have no duty to anything.

02:09:21.000 They, what is more important to women and what can get women to care more about anything

02:09:28.000 except their own selfish desires?

02:09:31.000 What?

02:09:34.000 What?

02:09:35.000 Nothing.

02:09:36.000 How can you, I think that men in their DNA still have, um, they still strive for what's

02:09:42.000 best for society, God, country, family, but women don't have that same responsibility

02:09:48.000 and that same duty.

02:09:49.000 You always say on your channel, Pearl, there's people who have this misnomer and this make

02:09:54.000 the mistake that women are the more nurturing gender.

02:09:57.000 And in 2025, they're not, they're simply not men are more nurturing than women.

02:10:02.000 I mean, I'm lying.

02:10:03.000 Women put there.

02:10:04.000 And I think that the, one of the main, uh, motivations and tactics of modern women is they

02:10:11.000 want to take a successful, ambitious, God-fearing man.

02:10:16.000 And when they get married, have that man set aside his ambition, his desires for her selfish

02:10:22.000 desires.

02:10:23.000 A woman could have a husband, have a family and still be thinking about herself.

02:10:29.000 The man is planning for the wife and the children and the woman is planning for herself.

02:10:34.000 Nothing in 2025 is more important to women than their own selfish desires.

02:10:41.000 And that's what guys like Andrew don't put into the equation.

02:10:46.000 You give him prescriptions for men, but they still have to deal with these women.

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 I just would never, like if someone took his prescription and ended up committing suicide,

02:10:57.000 would he feel responsible?

02:10:58.000 Well, I mean, that's, and I'm not trying to like be a doom and gloomer, but it's like,

02:11:02.000 I would feel responsible if someone took my advice and they went like, that's why,

02:11:07.000 you know, you have to make the decision because the responsibility for it's on you.

02:11:11.000 It's not on me.

02:11:12.000 Like, I don't have to deal.

02:11:13.000 It's easy for an influencer to say what you should do with your life.

02:11:16.000 And like, why did he keep saying that I didn't, that he didn't say to wait for a

02:11:20.000 non-virgin woman?

02:11:21.000 Like, did I miss something?

02:11:23.000 He did say that.

02:11:24.000 Did he not?

02:11:25.000 Well, I mean, there needs to be another term besides a born again.

02:11:30.000 Oh, he just didn't like the term.

02:11:32.000 I'm like, what else are you going to call it?

02:11:34.000 Like, yeah, it's like a woman.

02:11:36.000 That's not a virgin getting virgin benefits.

02:11:38.000 Like what else are you guys?

02:11:39.000 And to people that are from Andrew's channel on here.

02:11:44.000 Um, you want to be the guy that the woman sleeps with on the first date.

02:11:49.000 Cause most nights it's a 90% of women have slept with a guy on the first date.

02:11:53.000 You want to be that guy.

02:11:55.000 You don't want to be the guy that she makes weight.

02:11:57.000 Cause then, I mean, come on now.

02:12:00.000 All right.

02:12:01.000 So that, that channels in, then you become this guy.

02:12:04.000 All right.

02:12:05.000 Have you seen the Amaranth beef yet?

02:12:07.000 Uh-uh.

02:12:08.000 Okay.

02:12:09.000 I want to show you.

02:12:10.000 So this guy's coming on.

02:12:11.000 So Amaranth is like a big OnlyFans model.

02:12:14.000 Yeah.

02:12:15.000 Yeah.

02:12:16.000 I know who Amaranth is.

02:12:17.000 Okay.

02:12:18.000 And, um, she's going viral right now.

02:12:19.000 Cause she was arguing with her husband for 12 hours on stream.

02:12:25.000 Oh my God.

02:12:26.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:12:27.000 When you, um, and allegedly he's coming on today, but this guy is summarizing the beef.

02:12:32.000 Do you want to, do you have any other final thoughts on the debate?

02:12:34.000 Cause the guy's going to come on soon.

02:12:36.000 Go ahead.

02:12:37.000 I respect Andrew Wilson.

02:12:38.000 I think he's great.

02:12:39.000 If I were to ever, I'm an agnostic.

02:12:42.000 If I were to ever, you know, look into Christianity, I would literally hit him up.

02:12:46.000 I like the way that he navigates his religious beliefs and all that stuff.

02:12:51.000 But I mean, it's, it's really good to say certain things, but he, he's not out here, man.

02:12:56.000 He's not out here.

02:12:57.000 He doesn't know he'd get, he'd get eaten alive.

02:13:00.000 What a bit, what guys I can basically say is, um, take the risk.

02:13:07.000 Cause it could work out for you, but the stakes are so high.

02:13:12.000 Now, like the L that she can take from marriage is worse than it's ever been.

02:13:18.000 And it's only getting worse each year.

02:13:20.000 And they're saying in the chat, they're like, she's scared to give prescriptions.

02:13:23.000 Shouldn't you be scared that a guy could potentially commit suicide?

02:13:26.000 Like, this is a real thing.

02:13:28.000 Like, it's not like you've always said that women, this is not like some of these women

02:13:33.000 do evil things to these guys.

02:13:35.000 And it's really easy to say, like, you know, you can, she can just pray, but you know,

02:13:40.000 any women that try to tell men what to do are feminists automatically.

02:13:45.000 Yeah.

02:13:46.000 That's what liberal and feminist women do.

02:13:49.000 And I like the fact that you avoid doing that.

02:13:52.000 Now, um, I think we're in a climate where we're so used to women, especially

02:13:57.000 on the conservative side, like the Tommy Lawrence saying, you need to be real men.

02:14:02.000 That when a woman doesn't want to do it, they're like, what's going on?

02:14:05.000 She's weak.

02:14:06.000 And she's not.

02:14:07.000 No, like the Tommy Lawrence should be keeping their mouth shut and not Pearl talking more.

02:14:12.000 I understand.

02:14:13.000 I'm saying.

02:14:14.000 Yeah.

02:14:15.000 Um, so Amaranth basically, um, is accusing her husband of abuse and this guy's going

02:14:20.000 to summarize it.

02:14:21.000 Are you want to react with me?

02:14:23.000 Sure.

02:14:24.000 Okay.

02:14:25.000 Glenn Lawrence says, let me call in.

02:14:27.000 Um, yeah, make it quick, but we, you can call in.

02:14:31.000 I'm going to play this video to give people a summary of the, um, stream.

02:14:36.000 Amaranth has been fighting with her husband live on air for over 24 hours straight.

02:14:40.000 What started as a dispute between how to.

02:14:42.000 I'm going to say one last thing.

02:14:44.000 So some of the best advice I ever got in my life is if you're thinking about the, if

02:14:49.000 you don't like your job or you're in a tumultuous relationship, the, the best question you can

02:14:57.000 ask yourself is, is this working?

02:15:00.000 And you have to answer yes or no.

02:15:03.000 If you're sitting at your job and you're hating life, you know, if you're with some woman

02:15:07.000 who's freaking getting up your ass and stuff, ask yourself, is this working?

02:15:11.000 The answer needs to be yes or no.

02:15:13.000 If the answer is no, all the rest of it.

02:15:15.000 Easy.

02:15:16.000 You have to make a change.

02:15:17.000 Men have been looking at the last 40, 50 years and they, and they're asking themselves

02:15:21.000 this question.

02:15:22.000 Is this working?

02:15:23.000 And the answer is no.

02:15:26.000 Guys.

02:15:27.000 I want to play the good before Nick.

02:15:30.000 How's it going?

02:15:31.000 Hey, how's it going?

02:15:33.000 Good.

02:15:34.000 How are you?

02:15:35.000 I'm pretty good.

02:15:36.000 We're having, we're having a little, uh, tech issue.

02:15:39.000 I guess.

02:15:40.000 I was about to play your live stream fight first.

02:15:43.000 Um, is that okay?

02:15:45.000 Can I do that first?

02:15:46.000 Just so the audience knows what we're like talking about.

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:50.000 Okay.

02:15:51.000 So I'm going to play this real quick.

02:15:53.000 So this is obviously like a leftist like YouTuber, but let me, let me play this.

02:15:57.000 Amaranth has been fighting with her husband live on air for over 24 hours.

02:16:02.000 Oh my gosh.

02:16:03.000 No, it's the, sometimes my computer does this.

02:16:06.000 Hold on guys.

02:16:08.000 Has been live on air for over 24 hours straight.

02:16:11.000 What started as a dispute between how to take care of their seven dogs has escalated into

02:16:16.000 a multi day long argument with at one point her husband bringing up how she kisses black

02:16:21.000 men while they're dating.

02:16:23.000 Of course, naturally people think this is fake given that there was the whole drama with her

02:16:27.000 husband a couple of years back.

02:16:28.000 The same one that she originally accused of forcing her to do things like OF, etc.

02:16:33.000 Regardless, the fight is insane to watch and you don't have to be a fly on the wall

02:16:37.000 because the whole thing is live streamed for us.

02:16:40.000 While it hurts when Yee tweets out this clip with a caption, Amaranth and her husband,

02:16:44.000 Nick, have been fighting for hours on kick.

02:16:46.000 Still happening now if you're interested.

02:16:48.000 No, I'm an insane one, Nick, and you are an insane mindset.

02:16:51.000 No, you're just, something is mentally unhinged for you right now because normally-

02:16:55.000 No, it's literally you!

02:16:57.000 You are unhinged!

02:16:59.000 She's hilarious.

02:17:00.000 Normally, when you know that we're being swatted, you're at least concerned for the dogs

02:17:06.000 and you're almost-

02:17:07.000 I was not concerned in this case because one, the dog-

02:17:10.000 I know that the dogs aren't in here, so there's nothing for me to be concerned

02:17:14.000 and I know that they are-

02:17:15.000 Yeah, they're like on the patio and then Trump-

02:17:18.000 They're on the patio concealed!

02:17:20.000 Trumps can jump over things!

02:17:22.000 I can't- I don't have to be concerned if I didn't hear a shot go off!

02:17:25.000 What the fuck?

02:17:26.000 I'm saying-

02:17:27.000 Why are you retarded?

02:17:28.000 First of all, no, this is you being retarded because here's the thing, right?

02:17:31.000 You're being super flippant and you're not even making any sense.

02:17:34.000 You just said you're not concerned because no shots are fired, bro.

02:17:37.000 Hoodie replies,

02:17:38.000 I'mma be real, they both sound like shitty human beings after all this shit.

02:17:41.000 Nathan replies to the clip by saying,

02:17:43.000 Bro, she is like, fucking dumb.

02:17:45.000 Ben Dover says,

02:17:46.000 Y'all so dumb if you believe this is real.

02:17:48.000 All that these streamers do is content.

02:17:50.000 It's all scripted, everything is staged.

02:17:52.000 Iku replies,

02:17:53.000 Is this the same husband she had this nervous breakdown over one year ago and said that he

02:17:57.000 practically forced her to prostitute herself online, etc?

02:18:00.000 Are they back together?

02:18:01.000 What kind of sick shit is this?

02:18:03.000 And Anissa Enigma says,

02:18:04.000 Yes, it is.

02:18:05.000 They never separated.

02:18:06.000 This whole thing is a circus show.

02:18:08.000 Jake quotes the clip by saying,

02:18:10.000 Kids used to watch Nickelodeon.

02:18:12.000 Fear Buck tweets out,

02:18:13.000 Amaranth's husband impressed her about giving a HJ to Aaron Pogson,

02:18:17.000 a producer from Fresh and Fit in a parking lot,

02:18:20.000 and attaches this clip.

02:18:21.000 Can we talk about you kissing black men more?

02:18:24.000 That is not even true.

02:18:26.000 I was, oh my God.

02:18:28.000 Oh, we don't want to talk about that.

02:18:30.000 We can talk about that, sure.

02:18:32.000 Okay, let's talk about that.

02:18:33.000 You had me go on Tinder dates I didn't want to go on,

02:18:35.000 and then you started calling me while we were at the karaoke bar a lot.

02:18:38.000 And then you asked me if you could have an open relationship.

02:18:40.000 That is, no.

02:18:41.000 Oh, you didn't?

02:18:42.000 You were wanting an open relationship.

02:18:43.000 You didn't?

02:18:44.000 No, did you ask that,

02:18:45.000 okay, maybe I will sleep with Aaron.

02:18:47.000 Did we say that?

02:18:48.000 No.

02:18:49.000 That is not, no.

02:18:50.000 You never asked that?

02:18:51.000 No, I did not.

02:18:52.000 Oh, okay, we're going to lie to your chat now.

02:18:53.000 Okay.

02:18:54.000 We're literally not lying.

02:18:55.000 And you didn't give him a hand job in the parking lot?

02:18:57.000 I did not.

02:18:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:18:59.000 Correct.

02:19:00.000 I did not do that.

02:19:01.000 I didn't drive up on you guys together,

02:19:02.000 you giving him a hand job in the parking lot in Chinatown.

02:19:05.000 Dude.

02:19:06.000 These men can't even find p*** that would make us money

02:19:09.000 of such s*** acts that you are claiming right now,

02:19:11.000 yet you're saying I would do it off stream for no money?

02:19:14.000 Yes.

02:19:15.000 Yes.

02:19:16.000 You're a retarded.

02:19:17.000 Oh my god,

02:19:18.000 because p*** stores never have s*** all f***ing.

02:19:20.000 Action Man says,

02:19:21.000 I mean, a little HJ, no big deal.

02:19:23.000 But let's be honest though,

02:19:24.000 nobody is usually just giving an HJ.

02:19:26.000 It's possible, but unlikely.

02:19:28.000 Essence replies,

02:19:29.000 Poor guy.

02:19:30.000 He looks like a sweet husband,

02:19:31.000 but that's one of the cons when dating an OF bitch.

02:19:33.000 They're f***ing retarded.

02:19:34.000 Rello replies,

02:19:35.000 Well, clearly she wants a D from someone who's actually fresh and fit.

02:19:38.000 Because what the f*** is this?

02:19:40.000 Attaching this picture of her husband's shoes.

02:19:42.000 Mighty Keef quotes this clip by saying,

02:19:44.000 What am I hearing right now?

02:19:46.000 And Anastasia replies,

02:19:47.000 Dude is married to a cornstar and then gets mad she does cornstar stuff?

02:19:51.000 Bro.

02:19:52.000 Grow up.

02:19:53.000 Design tweets out this clip with the caption,

02:19:55.000 Amaranth is seemingly accusing her husband of wanting to have her killed after a 12 plus hour argument.

02:20:00.000 It all started when the husband complained about a dog chores

02:20:03.000 and quickly spiraled into a massive on stream airing out of all their dirty laundry that seemingly has no end.

02:20:09.000 When this fight started till now as today, you said you were-

02:20:13.000 His face, I'm sorry.

02:20:15.000 His face is so funny.

02:20:17.000 He's so dumb.

02:20:19.000 Every guy has made that face in his life.

02:20:21.000 And honestly, you may say,

02:20:23.000 Why is he live shooting all this?

02:20:25.000 You want to get all this stuff on camera, man.

02:20:28.000 Because this-

02:20:30.000 Anything you can't-

02:20:31.000 Anything she says or anything they say can be used.

02:20:35.000 Get as much of this stuff on camera as possible.

02:20:38.000 I'm going to play like a couple more minutes and then I'll cut it off.

02:20:42.000 Unhappy long before I ever said, you know what? I could see it if you didn't want me killed.

02:20:47.000 I could see that.

02:20:49.000 You-

02:20:50.000 Look at his face.

02:20:51.000 He's so dumb.

02:20:53.000 You were unhappy before, so-

02:20:54.000 No!

02:20:55.000 I say I'm unhappy and it means that have you plotted a kill?

02:20:58.000 No!

02:20:59.000 It's me thinking about all the shitty things you say to me.

02:21:01.000 Like the last-

02:21:02.000 Last time he argued, you said I wish I hadn't saved you so you wouldn't be attached to me.

02:21:12.000 Look no further than I actually saved your life.

02:21:14.000 But maybe I was actually plotting.

02:21:16.000 Yeah, so you're threatening to divorce the woman that you claimed to love so much that you saved me.

02:21:20.000 I was plotting I wouldn't divorce you because then I wouldn't get anything!

02:21:24.000 You're making no sense!

02:21:25.000 Well, you prefer a financial split though.

02:21:27.000 You want financial split or divorce.

02:21:28.000 Which means I definitely don't get anything!

02:21:30.000 Because it's outlined!

02:21:32.000 Look, right now, if we get a divorce and you die, your parents get your half.

02:21:38.000 If we're together and you die, I get it.

02:21:41.000 So then I would never say that if I was trying to have you killed!

02:21:44.000 They continue their threat by saying,

02:21:46.000 Here's the moment that started the whole 12 plus hour altercation between Amaranth and her husband.

02:21:51.000 Attaching this clip.

02:21:52.000 What?

02:21:53.000 What the fuck was that?

02:21:57.000 Oh, here we go again.

02:21:58.000 Oh.

02:22:05.000 Is our life just dog chores now or what?

02:22:10.000 No.

02:22:11.000 We haven't done any all day.

02:22:15.000 I know, but we gotta do like fucking seven in a row at night.

02:22:21.000 Well, we got to the fucking fence right now.

02:22:23.000 Otherwise they'd be out.

02:22:24.000 The things you gotta put up with for a nine.

02:22:26.000 Like a 9.5.

02:22:29.000 In their yard more because they're having this stuff freaking frustrating.

02:22:34.000 Why do you just complain?

02:22:37.000 You don't have to help me if you don't want to.

02:22:39.000 You can go smoke with them on your lounge and I'll deal with it.

02:22:42.000 I complain in order to make things better.

02:22:47.000 Well, we're already in the past making things better than we have to do this.

02:22:51.000 Terrence replies, fake.

02:22:53.000 She pulled this shit a year or two ago.

02:22:54.000 And design says, if anything, this proves-

02:22:56.000 Okay, they're saying she's not enough.

02:22:58.000 Then give your rating, guys.

02:23:00.000 Come on.

02:23:01.000 She's like the top.

02:23:02.000 She's at least an eight.

02:23:03.000 The drama from two years ago was real.

02:23:05.000 Who's posting the livestream fails subreddit.

02:23:07.000 Amarantha calls the police on her husband live.

02:23:09.000 Okay, fine.

02:23:10.000 We'll say eight.

02:23:11.000 Fine.

02:23:12.000 Fine.

02:23:13.000 Okay.

02:23:14.000 Okay.

02:23:15.000 I'm media relevancy.

02:23:16.000 She even has an wreck is beyond-

02:23:18.000 Oh my gosh.

02:23:19.000 It does this sometimes.

02:23:20.000 It's the-

02:23:21.000 Here we go.

02:23:22.000 Tough life living in Texas, man.

02:23:23.000 I am fligmatic replies from Dobby Free to calling the police live.

02:23:27.000 Some things never change, huh?

02:23:29.000 And they do says, they are very bad con artists.

02:23:32.000 And Miss Rising replies, but very good actors.

02:23:34.000 Because I don't think any of this shit is real.

02:23:36.000 Not from what I've read.

02:23:37.000 Key Appointment says, it's crazy how you can make this insane amount of money and still be so emotionally unstable, illogical, immature.

02:23:44.000 Like two adults who haven't developed illogical communication skills.

02:23:47.000 Imagine being so materialistically rich and still being bogged down by these silly problems.

02:23:52.000 And Fogotticus says, at this point, I'm heavily suspecting it's all for drama and clicks.

02:23:56.000 And Fresh Wealth says, seems like it worked.

02:23:58.000 We all clicked, didn't we?

02:23:59.000 Apollo Tiger Wolf replies, gonna need some context.

02:24:02.000 And Cookie Waffle 95 replies, her husband is saying she killed her brand by saying anti-trans slash Jewish stuff.

02:24:08.000 So they're having a painful convo about it on stream.

02:24:10.000 Doug, that's the same stuff you say to me.

02:24:13.000 Just stop saying.

02:24:14.000 Keep telling ya.

02:24:15.000 Stop.

02:24:16.000 And Theo Golf says, ah yes, seems like a very valid reason to call police and totally not a waste of their time.

02:24:22.000 Kick Clip tweets out, fool.

02:24:24.000 Amaranth calls the cops on her husband after he charged at her during a 20 hour stream argument.

02:24:29.000 And attaches this clip.

02:24:30.000 That's fine.

02:24:31.000 Regardless.

02:24:32.000 I'm not okay with, I'm not un-okay with being observed.

02:24:35.000 Okay, great.

02:24:36.000 I'm un-okay with you pointing the camera at me.

02:24:38.000 Well then leave.

02:24:39.000 I'm not gonna follow you.

02:24:40.000 So you're literally just gonna be super defiant, is that right?

02:24:43.000 Talk about problems.

02:24:44.000 Hey.

02:24:45.000 What the fuck is wrong with you, bro?

02:24:47.000 Leave.

02:24:48.000 You can move.

02:24:49.000 Is he trying to-

02:24:50.000 I think he's trying to end the stream.

02:24:51.000 I wasn't in camera view.

02:24:52.000 You moved the camera view to me.

02:24:54.000 What the fuck, bro?

02:24:56.000 What is wrong with you?

02:24:58.000 You got your-

02:24:59.000 Ma'am?

02:25:00.000 Is it different?

02:25:01.000 Maybe I'm partial to redheads.

02:25:02.000 I'd say eight.

02:25:03.000 Whatever.

02:25:04.000 Whatever.

02:25:05.000 Okay.

02:25:06.000 We'll do like another minute and then we'll-

02:25:07.000 Yeah, okay.

02:25:08.000 That's fine.

02:25:09.000 That's fine.

02:25:10.000 That's fine.

02:25:11.000 Oh, the police came.

02:25:12.000 I didn't see this part.

02:25:13.000 Oh, they actually came.

02:25:14.000 Yeah.

02:25:15.000 You wanted me to end the video.

02:25:16.000 Oh, man.

02:25:17.000 Oh, man.

02:25:18.000 They continued the thread by saying, moments before attaching this clip.

02:25:20.000 You-

02:25:21.000 Was it because he tried to went in front of her?

02:25:22.000 Women always over exaggerate the abuse.

02:25:23.000 It's like, really?

02:25:24.000 That was the-

02:25:25.000 So, Nick, over here, we have what's called the female-friendly version of the story.

02:25:27.000 And what that is, is we're-

02:25:28.000 Oh, man.

02:25:29.000 Oh, man.

02:25:30.000 They continued the thread by saying, moments before attaching this clip.

02:25:33.000 You-

02:25:34.000 Was it because he tried to went in front of her?

02:25:35.000 Women always over exaggerate the abuse.

02:25:38.000 It's like, really?

02:25:40.000 That was the-

02:25:41.000 So, Nick, over here, we have what's called the female-friendly version of the story.

02:25:47.000 And what that is, is the story where the woman is the hero and the victim in the story at the same time.

02:25:54.000 Huh.

02:25:55.000 And I think that you, from what I saw, you literally lived that out on stream for 12 hours.

02:26:01.000 Yeah, it's pretty rough.

02:26:02.000 It ended up being probably closer to 24 when all is said and done.

02:26:06.000 You guys can hear me, right?

02:26:07.000 Just making sure.

02:26:08.000 Yeah, I can hear you.

02:26:09.000 Yes.

02:26:10.000 Okay, cool, cool, cool.

02:26:11.000 I think we can end the-

02:26:12.000 I mean, you get the idea, guys, from the video.

02:26:15.000 So, hi, welcome to the show, first.

02:26:18.000 Hello.

02:26:19.000 I know it's been a rough-

02:26:21.000 When did this happen?

02:26:22.000 Was this, like, two-

02:26:23.000 Oh, this is super fresh.

02:26:25.000 I think it was, like, Saturday late night and then Sunday was, like, the cop thing.

02:26:30.000 Yeah.

02:26:31.000 Okay.

02:26:32.000 So, everyone's saying this is staged for, like-

02:26:35.000 Oh, absolutely not.

02:26:36.000 I know this is hard to believe, but we have never staged any drama.

02:26:39.000 Like, all the dysfunction is perfectly real.

02:26:41.000 Really?

02:26:42.000 I wish.

02:26:43.000 Honestly, yeah.

02:26:44.000 Like, so, I'm just gonna say this because, like, I've wanted to say it for a bit, I guess.

02:26:49.000 Like, it's like the 2022 drama, right?

02:26:52.000 Where she kind of had this thing and I was calling her, right?

02:26:56.000 Like, I mean, look, the words I was saying was absolutely true.

02:27:00.000 But I got kind of, like, surprised at, like, kind of how far she took it.

02:27:05.000 Like, I yell at her, she yells at me.

02:27:07.000 I always assumed that if you can't dish it, then, you know, you shouldn't do it either,

02:27:12.000 right?

02:27:13.000 Mm-hmm.

02:27:14.000 And, like, the biggest thing that used to get me was, like, she would play this game

02:27:17.000 where we'd be arguing at room temperature voices, right?

02:27:20.000 And then she would start raising her voice and then drowning me out.

02:27:23.000 And then I'd raise my voice and she'd raise her voice and I'd raise my voice, generally

02:27:26.000 to match.

02:27:27.000 And then at a certain decibel, she would say, why are you yelling at me?

02:27:30.000 Why are you yelling at me?

02:27:31.000 It got me every time.

02:27:34.000 And so, like, in that particular case, I was pretty sleep deprived.

02:27:37.000 It was, like, a tax snafu where she kind of, it was relatively a small amount, but, like,

02:27:43.000 a big enough amount that the IRS would care about.

02:27:45.000 So she had this, what was it, cash app, right?

02:27:49.000 And she was so big at that moment that, like, she just merely having a cash app meant people

02:27:55.000 were sending money, right?

02:27:56.000 I think that cash app was clearing $67,000 a year.

02:28:00.000 And you're not getting anything.

02:28:02.000 Like, it's just literally her cash tag is available on one of her social media platforms.

02:28:05.000 Oh, my God.

02:28:06.000 And then $60,000.

02:28:07.000 Now, my gripe of it was when I asked her, you know, because I need the tax.

02:28:10.000 Do you want to put my cash app in the stream?

02:28:17.000 Just post, do a community post or something.

02:28:21.000 I'm just kidding.

02:28:22.000 Sorry, keep going.

02:28:23.000 Yeah.

02:28:24.000 When I got around, like, so I asked her, like, hey, give me all the income sources that,

02:28:29.000 you know, you know of.

02:28:30.000 Obviously, I know of some.

02:28:31.000 And then, you know, I'll do the taxes.

02:28:32.000 And so she didn't tell me about that one because she was using it to buy, like, some

02:28:36.000 horse supplies on the side.

02:28:38.000 It was like a little slush fund for her, which I don't really care about.

02:28:41.000 Like the IRS sent me notices that were like, hey, you've reported income.

02:28:44.000 And I was like, what are they talking about?

02:28:46.000 And it was just like the $67,000.

02:28:48.000 And then I remember saying, like, well, I guess we forgot about it.

02:28:50.000 I know it sounds bad.

02:28:51.000 But like, and then they're like, well, you couldn't have forgotten because you're spending

02:28:54.000 it.

02:28:55.000 Like, because it's being spent down, too.

02:28:57.000 Right.

02:28:58.000 So, yeah, like, that's kind of the thing.

02:29:01.000 I'll just full point now just for brevity sake.

02:29:04.000 I've actually never asked her to wear skimpier clothing ever.

02:29:07.000 Like that whole Dobby is Dobby is free thing.

02:29:10.000 The Harry Potter reference that she says, because now she can wear shirts without cleavage.

02:29:14.000 The funniest part of that is I have never asked her to dress skimpier.

02:29:18.000 In fact, the only thing I've ever asked her to do is not dress a skimpy.

02:29:21.000 Like it was totally a the opposite of what reality was for that particular claim.

02:29:27.000 Right.

02:29:28.000 In fact, five years ago, she had a drama where she flashed her vagina on switch.

02:29:32.000 And like I everyone thought it was a stunt, but actually it was I was downstairs and she

02:29:36.000 was walking upstairs and look up and I said, hey, you need to wear something else because

02:29:39.000 I can see, you know, whatever.

02:29:41.000 And then she was like, no, no, I'm not.

02:29:43.000 This is fine.

02:29:44.000 And she goes on stream and then, you know, flashes.

02:29:47.000 Everyone instantly gets banned.

02:29:48.000 Um, and so that one surprised me a lot saying that I moderated her clothing choice.

02:29:53.000 Like I know nothing about women's clothing.

02:29:56.000 Like she wears what she wears and that's what it is.

02:29:58.000 And sometimes I say it's too much for Twitch.

02:30:00.000 I'm like pretty concerned about the moderation thing.

02:30:02.000 The other thing is that like I've never financially controlled her.

02:30:05.000 Um, like literally for the entire time we've been together, which is like 10 years, which

02:30:09.000 is kind of nuts.

02:30:10.000 Um, every bank account we have, she's either primary account holder or joint primary.

02:30:14.000 Um, I cannot, like if you went right now, like at this minute to the bank and, you know,

02:30:19.000 move $2 million.

02:30:20.000 I could not, they're not even going to call me.

02:30:23.000 Like I can't stop that.

02:30:24.000 And so the financial control thing was wild to me too, because like the thing I'm guilty

02:30:29.000 of is absolutely yelling.

02:30:30.000 Uh, but financial control and making her dress a certain way, making her do things on OnlyFans

02:30:35.000 that she didn't want to do.

02:30:36.000 That has never happened.

02:30:37.000 Um, I've never done that.

02:30:39.000 Like literally at that point in time, when she made that complaint, um, I was removed

02:30:43.000 from the entire OnlyFans side of the operation.

02:30:45.000 Uh, it was literally staffers who would draw up ideas, present her the ideas.

02:30:49.000 She would circle the ones that she was comfortable with.

02:30:52.000 And then they would film the ideas.

02:30:53.000 I'm, I wasn't part of the entire chain of making content whatsoever.

02:30:57.000 Um, and so that was also another thing.

02:30:59.000 And like my biggest gripe with her at the time was like, if, you know, you have such

02:31:04.000 a legitimate grievance, then why did you make up, you know, the three big ones that are

02:31:08.000 headlining?

02:31:09.000 Um, but like, I'm a pretty realistic person to a fault.

02:31:13.000 And so when that happened and I talked to her about it, um, you know, after she came down

02:31:16.000 a little bit, um, she'd already done two streams basically canceling me.

02:31:19.000 Right.

02:31:20.000 Um, she was like, well, I can do a third stream and correct the record.

02:31:22.000 And I was like, no, no, no, we're not going to do that.

02:31:24.000 Um, she was willing to at that moment.

02:31:26.000 Um, but I was like, we're not going to do that because right now you've killed my reputation.

02:31:29.000 And if you go and you backtrack, it's not coming back.

02:31:33.000 Right.

02:31:34.000 It'll just kill your reputation as well.

02:31:36.000 Um, little did I know, um, you know, people just started saying it's fake anyways.

02:31:40.000 Um, so that's all moot.

02:31:42.000 Uh, but sorry, uh, I'm sure you have like questions and stuff.

02:31:45.000 I'm kind of, well, I'm kind of curious.

02:31:48.000 Um, I don't follow the only fans, women too closely, the streaming stuff.

02:31:52.000 So some of this, I might, how did you guys meet?

02:31:55.000 Like, were you there before she did the only fans?

02:31:58.000 So you guys met in like college or something.

02:32:01.000 So ironically, uh, it was on Tinder.

02:32:03.000 I was kind of a fuck boy back then.

02:32:05.000 Um, and so I was on Tinder a bunch.

02:32:07.000 Um, and then one day I matched this girl and like, I remember when I matched her, I was

02:32:11.000 like, okay, well, great.

02:32:12.000 Like another fake profile.

02:32:13.000 Cause like, this is like 2014 or 15.

02:32:16.000 Right.

02:32:17.000 So it's early and Tinder was still like legit.

02:32:18.000 You could actually meet people on Tinder back then.

02:32:21.000 And so like all of her pictures were super professional model pictures or super professional

02:32:26.000 cosplay pictures with like photo editing.

02:32:28.000 And so I was like, this is not a real person because it's 10 photos like from the studio.

02:32:32.000 Right.

02:32:33.000 Um, they're, they're advertising something, but you know, as a guy, you know, you always,

02:32:36.000 you know, play the odds.

02:32:37.000 And so I messaged her and then like, uh, the thing that kind of piqued my attention was that

02:32:42.000 she would, how we met.

02:32:43.000 And, uh, I guess the genesis of our streaming career was that she had a business at the

02:32:46.000 time, um, that did party planning.

02:32:48.000 And, um, I was basically, uh, the one who kind of accidentally figured out that in those

02:32:55.000 days, 2014 and 2015, uh, Facebook, uh, advertising was such a good deal.

02:33:00.000 No one believed in Facebook advertising.

02:33:02.000 So to compete, you know, Zuckerberg lowered the price to such a low CPM that I remember

02:33:07.000 for a brief period in time, you could literally advertise your YouTube channel, get more from

02:33:12.000 ad revenues than you're spending on Facebook.

02:33:14.000 Right.

02:33:15.000 And so there was like this perpetual motion machine briefly, ever so briefly.

02:33:18.000 And so, uh, we use that to like make her party planning business, you know, go from like

02:33:22.000 a startup to six figures.

02:33:24.000 Um, and then I stopped and I said, wait a minute, like, I feel like we're taking too many steps

02:33:29.000 to do this thing because our only edge is we're good at social media.

02:33:33.000 So why are we running a party planning company?

02:33:35.000 Like, you know, we're able to market it very well, but we should probably do influencer stuff.

02:33:39.000 And, um, at the moment in time I had more followers than her on, uh, Instagram.

02:33:43.000 Right.

02:33:44.000 I don't even have that Instagram where I deactivated it.

02:33:46.000 And I remember thinking like, this is weird.

02:33:47.000 Like I'm a guy.

02:33:48.000 Right.

02:33:49.000 And she's a hot girl who does cosplay in 2014.

02:33:52.000 Like, how do I have more followers than her?

02:33:54.000 And I, you know, checked out her page and I was like, oh, she's doing all this wrong.

02:33:57.000 Like, like you gotta, you gotta like.

02:33:58.000 And that, so then I said, then we kind of, you know, we're newly married at the time.

02:34:01.000 And so we hatched this plan where, um, she thought I was going to be an influencer.

02:34:04.000 And I said, no, no, no, I don't want to do that.

02:34:06.000 I don't want to be in front of a camera.

02:34:07.000 I don't want to, you know, do all that.

02:34:08.000 How long were you guys together before you got married?

02:34:11.000 How many years?

02:34:12.000 One and a half.

02:34:15.000 Okay.

02:34:16.000 Okay.

02:34:17.000 Go ahead.

02:34:18.000 Continue.

02:34:19.000 Yeah.

02:34:20.000 Feel free to interrupt me anytime for questions.

02:34:21.000 Cause I can.

02:34:22.000 A little bit.

02:34:23.000 Um, yeah.

02:34:24.000 So, uh, you know, and then, you know, she started doing it and then, uh, you know,

02:34:27.000 like there were days like back then, like I had the, uh, Instagram algorithm kind of figured

02:34:31.000 out.

02:34:32.000 So T like there was all these like little growth hack tricks that you could do.

02:34:34.000 And so I remember there were days when she would grow 10,000 followers on Instagram and

02:34:38.000 like 2015.

02:34:39.000 And then she started streaming.

02:34:40.000 And then like, I, I remember like, um, partly it was my idea.

02:34:43.000 I was like, you should probably do YouTube or streaming, you know, like, uh, you know,

02:34:46.000 an additional kind of a tangent or, or a place that your viewers can come find you for

02:34:50.000 more engagement.

02:34:51.000 And then, uh, I had to buy her, you know, the laptop.

02:34:54.000 And at that point in time, I was a soul breadwinner.

02:34:56.000 Right.

02:34:57.000 I had a nice, uh, cushy white collar engineering job and, you know, I'd bought a house.

02:35:01.000 Um, and, and so she just lived at home, uh, you know, rent free obviously.

02:35:04.000 And, and then just kind of like, she could fill her day with whatever she wanted to.

02:35:08.000 And I went to work, you know, uh, roughly nine to 6 PM.

02:35:12.000 Um, so that was how it was back then.

02:35:14.000 And then, so I bought her a laptop, um, you know, and then bought her like the stuff she

02:35:17.000 needed for streaming.

02:35:18.000 Um, and then she started streaming.

02:35:19.000 I remember telling her like, you know, be understand this.

02:35:24.000 It's that like, if you turn it on, it's going to take a while.

02:35:28.000 You might be streaming to zero viewers for a bit.

02:35:30.000 Right.

02:35:31.000 Um, but as it actually turned out, um, she started out the gate with 30 viewers.

02:35:36.000 So, uh, it's kind of moved there too.

02:35:38.000 And then, you know, within a couple of months, it was like a hundred something.

02:35:41.000 So I'm kind of off the races.

02:35:43.000 Okay.

02:35:44.000 Okay.

02:35:45.000 So close my, uh, door.

02:35:47.000 So we don't get noise pollution.

02:35:48.000 Yeah, totally fine.

02:35:49.000 Yeah.

02:35:50.000 Go ahead.

02:35:51.000 Well, what do you always say that all these women have a man behind them?

02:35:55.000 Every single one.

02:35:56.000 I know everyone.

02:35:57.000 Every one of them.

02:35:58.000 Yeah.

02:35:59.000 And I know who Amaranth is, man.

02:36:01.000 You know, she's, she's in like the top zero, 1% of earners in all this.

02:36:06.000 And I knew that there was a man behind her.

02:36:09.000 I knew it.

02:36:10.000 I mean, I'm a casual, you know, I don't, I don't do Twitch.

02:36:14.000 I don't do anything like that.

02:36:16.000 But I always knew that as successful as she was, that there was a guy guiding her career.

02:36:22.000 Yeah.

02:36:23.000 Cause what do you always say about that?

02:36:25.000 Well, I just always say whenever there's a woman that's making a lot of money online,

02:36:29.000 there's always a guy behind them.

02:36:31.000 We just don't make money on our own.

02:36:32.000 We just like lose it or spend it or say something dumb.

02:36:35.000 That's why I was kind of joking with Doug MPA.

02:36:38.000 Cause the stuff you were telling her not to say is stuff he tells me not to say.

02:36:45.000 So wait, so when did it become like only fans?

02:36:48.000 Like, was that, you know, cause we always wonder like, and I'm just being honest here.

02:36:54.000 Like why would a guy put up with his girlfriend or wife like getting naked on it?

02:36:59.000 Was it just the money or what?

02:37:00.000 And also the perception is, you know, only fans is like a line that's crossed.

02:37:06.000 Understand what I'm saying?

02:37:07.000 Like once you start doing only fans, you know, the perception changes.

02:37:10.000 Does it change the dynamic?

02:37:12.000 Did it change?

02:37:13.000 Was it a lot?

02:37:14.000 Was it like a, a wall that you had to climb over?

02:37:17.000 And you guys, you understand what I'm saying?

02:37:19.000 Were the repercussions to starting only fans in you guys' relationship, you guys' lives?

02:37:24.000 Um, we started on Patreon before only fans.

02:37:27.000 And ironically, we were kind of late to the only fans game.

02:37:30.000 Uh, it wasn't until I think at the onset of COVID that we made an only fans.

02:37:34.000 Right. And that's a big mistake.

02:37:35.000 In fact, I remember years later, like in the heyday of 2021, 2022, when she was like making 2 million a month on only fans.

02:37:43.000 I remember searching only fans in the emails, looking for some email.

02:37:46.000 Right. And then I, I scrolled to the bottom just curiously.

02:37:49.000 And I saw that in 2019, they had offered, uh, if she made a profile that they would slice the rates in half perpetually.

02:37:58.000 And I remember sitting there thinking, holy shit, like the amount of money left on the table because we didn't click that link in 2019 is like insane.

02:38:05.000 Right. It's like, you know, almost $10 million on its own.

02:38:08.000 Um, and so, uh, once we started doing only fans is pretty tame stuff, pictures of bikinis and stuff like that.

02:38:15.000 Right. For me, um, I'm generally pretty self-assured.

02:38:20.000 And so, uh, like I have some rules and boundaries, but like, as long as those are followed, it's fine.

02:38:26.000 Um, and I don't know if y'all are probably not familiar, but like, uh, the perception of her is that, you know, she's this porn star and I won't necessarily disagree with that, but like, she has never had sex with another guy or, um, you know, anything like that.

02:38:41.000 Like her page is pretty tame. Um, in recent years, uh, there've been like very liberal uses of cartoon filters and AI.

02:38:50.000 Yeah. Yeah.

02:38:53.000 Like the closest she gets is like, it doesn't even show the action, but like implies there's action.

02:38:58.000 Does that make sense?

02:38:59.000 So are her like boobs on the internet though?

02:39:01.000 And like that, that is, yeah. Um, and that was mainly just because she's comfortable with that.

02:39:06.000 Um, you know, because like, even when she was modeling, you know, like models kind of do really artsy risque shots that are like naked.

02:39:13.000 Oh, but there's like paint or something dripping down or whatever.

02:39:16.000 It was like her like vagina. Is that on the internet too?

02:39:20.000 Um, ironically, uh, unintentionally from the, uh, leaked, uh, or the streams where I would tell her not to wear the thing.

02:39:26.000 Yeah.

02:39:27.000 I was just wondering like how, like what it didn't bother you at all that like other guys were jacking off to, you know, your girl's boobs or like, I mean,

02:39:35.000 it's okay if it didn't, I was just, you kind of wonder the psychology.

02:39:39.000 Cause you have to understand that the average person, this is like insane, you know?

02:39:44.000 Yeah.

02:39:45.000 And also just real quick.

02:39:46.000 So the future is going to be young boys in high school are going to have friends whose moms are on only fans.

02:39:55.000 Right.

02:39:56.000 And college guys are going to be in college with women that have done only fans.

02:40:02.000 So like what, well, you can answer pearls equally first, but I have one after that.

02:40:10.000 Let me go ahead and answer pearls equally first.

02:40:12.000 And then I'll follow up with what I want to say.

02:40:14.000 I apologize for interrupting.

02:40:15.000 Yeah.

02:40:16.000 So, uh, no, no, you're good.

02:40:17.000 Uh, basically, uh, you know, I was a fuck boy on Tinder kind of before.

02:40:21.000 And so like, there are all kinds of girls on there.

02:40:23.000 Right.

02:40:24.000 Like, um, I don't think I've ever, uh, you know, done like a, like a match with a porn star or anything like that.

02:40:29.000 Um, but like there, there are girls who were like in various stages of like, we didn't even know it at the time, but becoming influencer, I guess is what you call it.

02:40:35.000 Right.

02:40:36.000 Like, like no one knew what was going on at the time.

02:40:38.000 And just like, Oh, I have a lot of followers.

02:40:39.000 And so like, I was kind of used to a lot and then I kind of, uh, you know, fooled around with like party girls and stuff.

02:40:45.000 And like that, that was always kind of like crazy because like, I remember once getting invited to go to Vegas.

02:40:50.000 Right.

02:40:51.000 I have to pay my own flight and then we'd get a penthouse suite.

02:40:53.000 And it was like four girls who, who invited me to go on this trip.

02:40:56.000 And I remember like, it's in the wind.

02:40:58.000 And I was like, I was in the room and I was like, Holy fuck.

02:41:00.000 Like this room must cost like 10,000, uh, a night at least.

02:41:03.000 Right.

02:41:04.000 How are you guys paying for this?

02:41:05.000 And they're like, Oh yeah, this guy online, uh, paid for it.

02:41:08.000 And I was like, Oh, that's crazy.

02:41:09.000 And then she told me that I am not allowed to appear in any of the photos.

02:41:13.000 Um, but so I've seen a lot of that stuff.

02:41:16.000 And so by relative comparison, um, you know, Amaranth, Kate, um, people will never believe this.

02:41:21.000 Fresh and fit, you know, did not believe it when she was on there, but like, she was a virgin when I met her.

02:41:25.000 Right.

02:41:26.000 And she's only, you know, how old was she?

02:41:29.000 Uh, she's now 31.

02:41:31.000 No, no.

02:41:32.000 When you met her.

02:41:33.000 Oh, um, 20.

02:41:36.000 Wow.

02:41:37.000 That's kind of crazy to say.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 It's 20 and 25.

02:41:40.000 I believe.

02:41:41.000 Yeah.

02:41:42.000 Wow.

02:41:43.000 Yeah.

02:41:44.000 We were young and I never intended to get married, but like, you know, she kind of in that moment.

02:41:47.000 She didn't blow one other dude.

02:41:49.000 Not one.

02:41:50.000 Supposedly, you know, not like, I'm going by trust here, but you have to understand.

02:41:55.000 Okay.

02:41:56.000 Like the thing about her is like, no one will, again, no one will kind of understand her.

02:42:00.000 She had just started like, so you know, like, it's not that she was unattractive.

02:42:05.000 It's just that she didn't really lean into, uh, like being more feminine until like right

02:42:11.000 around time, right before I met her.

02:42:13.000 Oh, okay.

02:42:14.000 And you look at like her 2000 or like her 19 year old, 18 year old photos.

02:42:18.000 Ooh.

02:42:19.000 Like, you know, she's a, she's a cute girl, but like, it's almost like, it's like a cute

02:42:22.000 girl, like diamond in the rough type thing.

02:42:24.000 Right.

02:42:25.000 Yeah.

02:42:26.000 Was she one of those cosplaying nerdy kind of, because those are the best kind of women,

02:42:30.000 the ones that are attractive, but they don't know that they're attractive.

02:42:34.000 Cause I was like, why would you marry her after a year and a half?

02:42:37.000 But I can see the appeal behind that.

02:42:39.000 Yeah.

02:42:40.000 She's attractive and she does it.

02:42:41.000 Cause there are some women out there, especially in nerdy spaces where they have no idea how

02:42:47.000 attractive they are.

02:42:48.000 It exists.

02:42:49.000 I've seen it.

02:42:50.000 It's absolutely true.

02:42:51.000 And for her, she spent most of her adolescence being obsessed with portraying guy characters.

02:42:56.000 So cross playing is what they call it.

02:42:57.000 Right.

02:42:58.000 And, but it was like kind of feminine guy characters, but nonetheless, it's like Peter Pan, uh, you

02:43:02.000 know, uh, link from Zelda and she made great costumes, but it's like, I could believe it

02:43:07.000 because like, I took her for a word on it, but I believed it because it's like, well, you

02:43:11.000 know, every other convention, she's been a guy.

02:43:13.000 And so like, you know, it kind of, you know, to me hedged the chance that, you know, she

02:43:17.000 was lying and she was pretty socially awkward at the time.

02:43:20.000 Like kind of like how she just newly started looking really good in very recent years.

02:43:25.000 And so then she was like socially, uh, not very well adjusted.

02:43:28.000 And so a lot of that led to me believing.

02:43:31.000 Um, okay.

02:43:32.000 Yeah.

02:43:33.000 I mean, fair, fair enough.

02:43:34.000 Um, 20 isn't unbelievable.

02:43:36.000 When guys tell me 25, I'm like, yeah, okay.

02:43:39.000 20.

02:43:40.000 I mean, I kind of don't believe it, but it's, it's like a strict curfew and we're dating.

02:43:46.000 Yeah.

02:43:47.000 It was like nine.

02:43:48.000 Oh, she lived at home too.

02:43:49.000 Okay.

02:43:50.000 Yeah.

02:43:51.000 Yeah.

02:43:52.000 So like, it was believable to me.

02:43:53.000 And then like the boyfriends was like a guy who like, like, I think she had like one

02:43:57.000 or two real boyfriends, but like nothing happened.

02:44:00.000 And it was like a guy who wanted to be a professional league of legends player, but he was bronze

02:44:03.000 league.

02:44:05.000 Okay.

02:44:06.000 So the only fans, um, like at first it was just bikini photos and that sort of thing.

02:44:13.000 Yeah.

02:44:14.000 Bikini photos.

02:44:15.000 I wanted to ask, I wanted to ask, cause this is what I wanted to bring up earlier.

02:44:19.000 Once again, there are going to be young boys in high school who have, whose friends, moms

02:44:24.000 are on only fans.

02:44:25.000 You're going to go to college.

02:44:26.000 You have to factor in that you may be presented with an opportunity or you may be dating a

02:44:32.000 girl that you like, who's been on only fans or is doing it.

02:44:36.000 How would you recommend a guy like navigate that whole thing?

02:44:39.000 Because you wouldn't, you wouldn't, I would think that from your situation, you wouldn't

02:44:44.000 say that being on only fans would be a disqualifier if you have the right boundaries.

02:44:48.000 Correct.

02:44:49.000 So like if, if a guy were 27 years old, just graduated college to be like a engineer and

02:44:57.000 here to meet an attractive woman and she to be on only fans.

02:45:00.000 What would you say to that guy?

02:45:02.000 If you were to say, Nick, what do I do?

02:45:03.000 I'm not sure.

02:45:04.000 What would you say to him?

02:45:06.000 I love that question because like I've contemplated it just kind of as a hypothetical for so long.

02:45:12.000 Uh, I guess for starters, I would hate to be a young guy today in the dating scene.

02:45:15.000 Right.

02:45:16.000 Cause when I was there, it's like, okay, cool.

02:45:18.000 Like, you know, like everyone's in college, everyone's broke.

02:45:20.000 Like it's, it's fine.

02:45:21.000 Right.

02:45:22.000 Even footing.

02:45:23.000 I can't even imagine like, you know, trying to date a girl who's like, oh yeah, make $500,000

02:45:27.000 a month.

02:45:28.000 Like in college, like college age, I'd be like, I'd probably be like just super intimidated.

02:45:32.000 But, you know, and so like to touch on your question now, um, and this is going to sound

02:45:39.000 kind of like a hypocritical, but like, I don't think I could certainly not marry, uh, like

02:45:45.000 just, you know, the, the normal stereotypical, uh, only fans girl that you, uh, might, you

02:45:50.000 know, read about.

02:45:51.000 I think the line where I draw it is like, if you've had sex on camera with multiple different

02:45:57.000 people, um, that would be probably a no go for like a long-term relationship, uh, for

02:46:03.000 me.

02:46:04.000 Um, where it's like, if she had a boyfriend for a few years and then they did it, it's

02:46:07.000 a little less because it's like, yeah, I mean like most girls have boyfriends and they have

02:46:11.000 sex.

02:46:12.000 It's kind of like that.

02:46:13.000 Right.

02:46:14.000 And certainly nothing like crazy, like group sex or whatever.

02:46:16.000 That's kind of where I would draw the line.

02:46:18.000 Uh, the advice I would give to him, it's just, it's going to be very tough.

02:46:21.000 Like, uh, set the boundaries early.

02:46:22.000 And ideally you found, you find the girl when she's not particularly big on only fans.

02:46:26.000 Like it is, I can imagine, I mean, I've lived some of it, but I can imagine it would be

02:46:30.000 really, really, really hard to kind of rain, rain a person in who is like living kind of

02:46:36.000 at that level I experienced in my own life.

02:46:38.000 Cause she was dirt poor and broke.

02:46:41.000 Um, when I met her and then, uh, I moved her in and like, even now, um, there are moments

02:46:47.000 where it's like, she would not have talked to me like that.

02:46:50.000 Um, like, you know, nine years ago.

02:46:52.000 Right.

02:46:53.000 Like, it's not that I was a mean guy.

02:46:54.000 It was just that like, uh, like there's a lot of like little things like she now walks

02:46:58.000 away from every argument back then.

02:47:00.000 She wanted to finish every argument and resolve it.

02:47:02.000 Right.

02:47:03.000 Because she was living in my house and I, she was afraid to be kicked out, even though I

02:47:05.000 never threatened that.

02:47:06.000 And so it's, you see a lot of things where it's like, wait, this is not good enough for

02:47:10.000 you anymore.

02:47:11.000 Um, it used to be fine.

02:47:12.000 Right.

02:47:13.000 Um, and that's kind of the biggest challenge.

02:47:14.000 And if she's already making a lot of money and you weren't part of that journey in any way,

02:47:18.000 and you don't have something like kind of crazy going on, like you're, you're like a, you

02:47:21.000 know, sports star, uh, on the football team or something like that, it is going to be

02:47:25.000 really hard.

02:47:26.000 Obviously, you know, try it.

02:47:28.000 Um, but like, you're going to have to be very secure and you're going to have to be

02:47:33.000 somewhat unbothered.

02:47:34.000 Um, even with the caveat of set strong boundaries early, um, and kind of set the expectation.

02:47:41.000 So do you regret making her such a big star now, or maybe the money was worth it?

02:47:50.000 I don't know.

02:47:51.000 It's hard to say that.

02:47:52.000 Um, I've looked at it both ways.

02:47:56.000 Like I'm generally a person who kind of moves forward in life and I don't look back.

02:48:00.000 Yeah.

02:48:01.000 And so like, I don't think I would change, you know, like making her a star.

02:48:06.000 Um, I'll share a little bit of drama though.

02:48:09.000 Um, like me doing a little bit of streaming on my own has really angered her.

02:48:14.000 Um, in fact, when I went to go close the door, it was because she was trying to gain

02:48:18.000 injury.

02:48:19.000 Um, cause she did not want this conversation happening, which is crazy because I told her

02:48:24.000 I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say anything.

02:48:26.000 Um, right.

02:48:27.000 Like I'm not gonna say anything that's not true.

02:48:29.000 Um, but she's always afraid of, of, of that.

02:48:32.000 And it's like, it's funny because it's like, I'm not even as big as she was in her peak

02:48:36.000 by any means.

02:48:37.000 Right.

02:48:38.000 But like in her peak, like it's funny because she will do that power every day.

02:48:41.000 Right.

02:48:42.000 She could go on stream and cancel me to 10,000 people, which she did at one point with, you

02:48:46.000 know, things that were not true.

02:48:48.000 And, and now I have a tiny fraction of that power and like, it's a problem.

02:48:53.000 And she wanted to sit in like right here.

02:48:56.000 Yeah.

02:48:57.000 Yeah.

02:48:58.000 So she canceled you the first time.

02:49:01.000 Was it like a year ago?

02:49:02.000 I think I missed that call October.

02:49:05.000 Okay.

02:49:06.000 And what did she say on the call?

02:49:07.000 I think I heard about it.

02:49:09.000 Like they kind of framed you.

02:49:10.000 What I remember, it was like, they framed you as like making her do it or something.

02:49:15.000 Was that it?

02:49:16.000 Yeah.

02:49:17.000 Okay.

02:49:18.000 Well, because she implied it.

02:49:19.000 Right.

02:49:20.000 Um, that was so crazy for me because like in that entire scenario, right?

02:49:22.000 Like the only thing I was guilty of is the other man.

02:49:25.000 That's it.

02:49:26.000 Right.

02:49:27.000 Like, uh, in fact, uh, the news media focused in on this thing, but it was actually pretty

02:49:31.000 crazy.

02:49:32.000 It was like, she says he threatened to kill my dog.

02:49:34.000 Right.

02:49:35.000 Uh, I've never threatened to kill a dog ever.

02:49:37.000 Um, like the closest she, and she cites this as being threatening.

02:49:41.000 We used to have these, I don't know if you've seen them.

02:49:43.000 There's these like a vertical things that you put, uh, or like diagonal things you put against

02:49:47.000 your door to prevent a thief from being able to gain entry.

02:49:50.000 Have you seen those?

02:49:51.000 Like it's a doorstop.

02:49:52.000 Yeah.

02:49:53.000 Yeah.

02:49:54.000 We had one of those.

02:49:55.000 And like, what happened was she was threatening to run away from home.

02:49:57.000 And so I grabbed the doorstop thing, opened the door and said, go right ahead.

02:50:00.000 And then she's like, Oh my God, are you going to hit me or hit the dog?

02:50:03.000 I'm like, Oh, I was holding it up, you know, like, cause I moved it.

02:50:08.000 And that's the closest she can say to like, Oh, he is going to hit my dog.

02:50:11.000 I didn't touch the dog.

02:50:12.000 You know, it was just merely, I was standing there holding it.

02:50:15.000 And she was like, I don't know, 40 feet away.

02:50:17.000 Right.

02:50:18.000 With the dog.

02:50:19.000 Um, and so that's like the closest it got.

02:50:21.000 Um, I believe that night on the phone, she misheard what I was saying.

02:50:25.000 Um, and then like it kind of spiraled out of control.

02:50:27.000 And then like the, the additional charges tacked on were like, you know, obviously financially

02:50:32.000 controlling her, making her do, uh, sexy stuff and all that, which is like basically trafficking.

02:50:37.000 Like it was kind of nuts to me because I was like, you know, we have entire employees whose

02:50:40.000 job it is to actually ask you what you want to do.

02:50:42.000 And like, if I'm trafficking, it's going to look like, even though I had no oversight into

02:50:46.000 her own offense at that point, it's going to look like that.

02:50:49.000 Um, I told these people to do it.

02:50:51.000 And so you're going to have this problem.

02:50:53.000 And we did because a lot of people resigned, uh, you know, because they're like, okay, well,

02:50:58.000 we really can't be implicated here because they, they were the ones who actually asked

02:51:02.000 her what they wanted, she wanted to do.

02:51:04.000 And she was saying that I forced her to do it.

02:51:06.000 And then, so it's like that thing where it's like, they're kind of in the middle.

02:51:09.000 And so those people all left.

02:51:11.000 Are you, are you worried about potentially like being charged with something in the future?

02:51:15.000 Like you see, like, um, cause I think like Andrew Tate, right.

02:51:20.000 He's getting charges from girls, like cam girls.

02:51:22.000 He managed like 10 years ago, five years ago.

02:51:25.000 Does that worry you at all or no?

02:51:28.000 I don't think so.

02:51:29.000 Just because like, although I once did, uh, own an agency, I never really did any of the

02:51:36.000 direct work.

02:51:37.000 I was just mostly just strategic and advising.

02:51:41.000 Um, and in her case, I mean, anything could happen.

02:51:45.000 Uh, you know, cause she's obviously made stuff up before, but like, I don't know, we've

02:51:50.000 a, we have a post nump.

02:51:51.000 Um, and there's like stipulations in it that we have to be amicable to an extent.

02:51:55.000 And so I don't think there will be any additional things.

02:51:58.000 I, that's what I hope.

02:51:59.000 Right.

02:52:00.000 Um, but like, there's no evidence of me having done anything though, is the thing other than

02:52:03.000 her saying it on that stream.

02:52:05.000 Yeah.

02:52:06.000 Yeah.

02:52:07.000 Never underestimate the power of a spiteful woman.

02:52:10.000 Don't scare.

02:52:11.000 Don't scare.

02:52:12.000 Don't scare.

02:52:13.000 I'm just kidding.

02:52:14.000 I'm just kidding.

02:52:15.000 Doug.

02:52:16.000 Um, okay.

02:52:17.000 So then, so how did this fight start?

02:52:20.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

02:52:21.000 I was not going to watch 12 hours of streaming.

02:52:24.000 I just wasn't going to do it.

02:52:27.000 So like, it's really messy right now.

02:52:29.000 Cause, uh, I've kind of moved all my stuff up here now.

02:52:33.000 Are you in the same, you're in the same house as her now?

02:52:37.000 So with an asterisk, this is, there's two properties on this complex.

02:52:41.000 Okay.

02:52:42.000 And like, uh, this one that I'm in is like, uh, this house used to belong to a car collector.

02:52:47.000 And so downstairs it's like a multiple bay garage with, you know, a bunch of cars.

02:52:51.000 Her studio is downstairs in this building too.

02:52:53.000 And then obviously this used to be like an in-law suite or house, guest house.

02:52:57.000 Okay.

02:52:58.000 And so I turned it into a cigar lounge, plus just kept the bedroom the way it was basically.

02:53:01.000 And currently I've moved all my stuff from the closets in the house to here.

02:53:04.000 I don't know what's going to happen next, but I'm just kind of like, you know, so it's

02:53:07.000 super messy, but I was here smoking a cigar cause there's filtration and all that.

02:53:11.000 Um, and I just lit the cigar.

02:53:13.000 It's three acres.

02:53:14.000 It's like two 50 AM or something like that.

02:53:16.000 Right.

02:53:17.000 I'm lighting the cigar and then she comes up and then I should have picked up on it, but

02:53:21.000 she was in a clearly not a happy mood because she was like, Hey, can you help me with the

02:53:26.000 dogs?

02:53:27.000 And I was like, and I was like, no, fine, fine.

02:53:31.000 I was just kind of like, you know, like groaning and feigned, whatever.

02:53:34.000 Right.

02:53:35.000 And so then I'm walking with my cigar and I'm walking downstairs and she basically says, Hey,

02:53:39.000 you can't have that out there.

02:53:40.000 And I was like, why?

02:53:41.000 And she's like, you know, rider, one of the dogs might jump up, grab it from you and eat

02:53:47.000 it.

02:53:48.000 And I was like, he's never done that before.

02:53:50.000 And she goes, there's like a 10% chance.

02:53:52.000 And I was like, okay, I put it down.

02:53:54.000 We walk outside, we're outside, you know, we're doing the dog stuff.

02:53:57.000 We're doing the dog stuff.

02:53:58.000 Right.

02:53:59.000 You know, I'm helping when needed, but mainly she just has me there to hold the camera so

02:54:02.000 that, you know, her contract is like fulfilled and all that.

02:54:05.000 And then I entertain chat with like jokes and stuff like that.

02:54:07.000 Right.

02:54:08.000 Um, and then obviously like, you know, if she needs a hand with the dogs or if one's like,

02:54:12.000 you know, like, uh, I guess getting into a tussle with another one, I help separate and

02:54:17.000 all that too.

02:54:18.000 It's just kind of like an extra hand.

02:54:19.000 And so I'm there doing it, but like on this particular day, um, you know, which is like

02:54:24.000 technically Sunday already.

02:54:25.000 Um, but late she, uh, the first dog we let out was like the German shepherd.

02:54:30.000 Um, one of the guard dogs.

02:54:31.000 Um, and she was very hyper and this dog is like a six figure dog.

02:54:35.000 And so it should be immaculately trained.

02:54:37.000 And it was kind of like not responding to commands.

02:54:39.000 It was like super hyper, right.

02:54:40.000 Very friendly still like to us, but like just running all over the place, you know, jumping

02:54:44.000 over stuff.

02:54:45.000 Um, and like, that's a concerning thing because like this dog is friendly to us, but like,

02:54:49.000 you know, in the event that like, you know, someone else is here, like a construction person

02:54:53.000 or a contractor, like we don't want anything happening.

02:54:56.000 And so it being so high energy and able to jump over like the lower, lower gates was a

02:55:01.000 problem.

02:55:02.000 And I was like, what the heck's going on?

02:55:03.000 And then next few dogs also hyper energetic.

02:55:05.000 And, and like, I think almost getting into a fight at one point.

02:55:08.000 And so I'm like, it's like a lot more work than the typical dog thing.

02:55:11.000 And then I just kind of errantly mentioned, we have a full-time person who does animal

02:55:14.000 stuff.

02:55:15.000 Like, why are they so high energy?

02:55:16.000 Like, did he come today?

02:55:17.000 Did they get taken out?

02:55:18.000 And she was like, no, he came today.

02:55:19.000 And I was like, okay, well, do we need a second person?

02:55:21.000 You know?

02:55:22.000 Um, because like these dogs are super hyper.

02:55:25.000 It's like, they haven't been walked or whatever or something like that.

02:55:28.000 And then, then she suggested, no, let's just ask the first guy, the guy we've already

02:55:33.000 hired to come at the 3am shift.

02:55:35.000 I don't know why there needs to be a 3am shift.

02:55:37.000 That's kind of crazy to me.

02:55:38.000 The guy comes twice already a day, right?

02:55:40.000 Like 9am or 10am.

02:55:41.000 And then like in the late afternoon, and then she wanted a 3am shift for them.

02:55:45.000 Um, and then, you know, obviously she's, she's kind of an animal hoarder, but like, because

02:55:50.000 we have a full-time animal person and a lot of resources, they're all living quality lives,

02:55:54.000 but like, we don't even see them that much.

02:55:57.000 It's like 40 animals, uh, seven dogs.

02:56:00.000 Um, and I've allowed it, which I probably shouldn't have, uh, because like, I want her to be happy.

02:56:04.000 And like, it's like, if I can throw money at the problem, like, sure.

02:56:07.000 Why not?

02:56:08.000 Right.

02:56:09.000 Um, yeah.

02:56:10.000 Your first mistake is thinking women can be happy.

02:56:15.000 That was a mistake.

02:56:17.000 Keep going.

02:56:18.000 I'm sorry.

02:56:19.000 And so, um, at this point, like, uh, you know, like, so I say like, we got to hire another

02:56:24.000 person.

02:56:25.000 Cause if you get Chris to come at 3am, 9am and like 3 or 4pm, he's going to burn out.

02:56:29.000 And that's not just a speculation.

02:56:31.000 Our previous pet person who was really good, literally that exact thing.

02:56:35.000 She added the third shift, the third shift per day.

02:56:38.000 And we're talking seven days a week.

02:56:39.000 Like, like, and then the person just like fucking like basically broke and we paid good money.

02:56:44.000 Right.

02:56:45.000 Because that's why they, they voluntarily took that many shifts, uh, because they really

02:56:48.000 wanted to like, you know, up their income and like, but like coming three times a day,

02:56:51.000 seven days a week, like literally that person, you know, let go because they literally lost

02:56:55.000 one of the animals.

02:56:56.000 Um, and, and when I talked to them about it, I was like, Hey, we have to find it.

02:57:00.000 Like, you know, blah, blah, blah.

02:57:01.000 They were like, kind of like, I really don't want to.

02:57:04.000 And so it was kind of like, okay, they're done basically.

02:57:06.000 Right.

02:57:07.000 Like they're, they're just like mentally, like they can't keep doing it.

02:57:09.000 Um, they're, they don't even register that they lost one.

02:57:11.000 And so I didn't want that to happen to this, this current guy who's actually pretty good.

02:57:15.000 And so I said, we need to hire an additional person if we need a 3am shift, but also I don't

02:57:18.000 think we need that.

02:57:19.000 I think we can shift it to where like, I feel like most people don't have 3am shifts for

02:57:22.000 their dogs.

02:57:23.000 Right.

02:57:24.000 And we have seven of them.

02:57:25.000 So 3am shift is like an hour to 90 minutes.

02:57:27.000 Right.

02:57:28.000 Like it's like, it's like now it's like 4 30 AM, you know?

02:57:30.000 And so like, um, she's like, you're just complaining now.

02:57:33.000 And I was like, okay, you know, like, you know, I wouldn't be if like, you know, I could have

02:57:37.000 my cigar out here, you know, like I at least have something to do.

02:57:39.000 And then like, you know, de-stress.

02:57:41.000 And that was the fucking powder keg.

02:57:43.000 Like, I still don't understand it.

02:57:44.000 I'm still trying to get her to tell me like, can you explain like what exactly?

02:57:47.000 Like I was complaining and then I mentioned a cigar and the closest I can approximate

02:57:51.000 is this.

02:57:52.000 She actually says this, right?

02:57:53.000 She goes, um, because you're, you know, putting the dogs at risk of death.

02:57:56.000 And I was like, really?

02:57:58.000 Like how?

02:57:59.000 She goes, tobacco is very toxic.

02:58:01.000 I go, it was like one small cigar.

02:58:03.000 Right.

02:58:04.000 I was like, how much tobacco is toxic to dogs?

02:58:06.000 I looked it up.

02:58:07.000 Right.

02:58:08.000 A certain amount of milligram of nicotine is kind of the issue.

02:58:11.000 Um, it would take, I believe 16 cigars, him eating them at once.

02:58:15.000 Right.

02:58:16.000 For him to.

02:58:17.000 Yeah.

02:58:18.000 Nobody's going to, nobody's going to think you could have killed the dog from a cigar.

02:58:21.000 Just so you know.

02:58:22.000 Right.

02:58:23.000 We're saying over here.

02:58:24.000 Yeah.

02:58:25.000 And plus I'm putting it in my hands.

02:58:26.000 You don't have to.

02:58:27.000 You don't have to.

02:58:28.000 You can.

02:58:29.000 It's fine.

02:58:30.000 Yeah.

02:58:31.000 Okay.

02:58:32.000 And so is that what started the fight was she was nagging about like the cigar.

02:58:36.000 It's crazy because I didn't even take a cigar out.

02:58:38.000 I just said, I wish I could have a cigar.

02:58:39.000 And then it was just like, Oh my God, you want, you know, you want to kill dogs.

02:58:43.000 Oh, and that started it.

02:58:45.000 And I was like, Oh, no, like you, you hate them.

02:58:48.000 Don't you?

02:58:49.000 I was like, here's the crazy part.

02:58:50.000 Right.

02:58:51.000 I don't hate the dogs.

02:58:53.000 If she let me and we got a divorce, I would take some of the dogs, you know, one in particular.

02:58:58.000 Right.

02:58:59.000 And then in the past, and this is the craziest part to me.

02:59:01.000 Okay.

02:59:02.000 I spent nine months taking care of her dog that had cancer.

02:59:04.000 And then, you know, cooking a steak for every day, nine months straight until it passed away.

02:59:08.000 Right.

02:59:09.000 And because it was such a heavy dog, she couldn't lift it.

02:59:12.000 And so I took it to the vet and lifted it up into the Jeep.

02:59:14.000 And this is like, you know, before it got cancer, it was like 150 pounds off.

02:59:18.000 Right.

02:59:19.000 It became like a 110, 90 pound dog.

02:59:21.000 But like, you know, and doing all that for it.

02:59:24.000 Um, and so it's like, I've literally like, you know, sweat and blood, uh, for the animals

02:59:29.000 on her behalf.

02:59:30.000 And so to say that I hate the dogs because I suggested I would smoke a cigar is kind of

02:59:35.000 like, and so that's why I was just kind of like, and basically the rest of the fight was

02:59:39.000 just me trying to say, I want you to tell me why you were so angry.

02:59:43.000 And she goes, isn't it obvious you're retarded?

02:59:45.000 Like getting it again.

02:59:47.000 And so like, that's the closest I can approximate.

02:59:50.000 Hopefully at some point she'll give me an answer.

02:59:53.000 Um, or if she was like mad about, you know, something else or something like that.

02:59:56.000 Yeah.

02:59:57.000 That's usually what it is.

02:59:58.000 When someone picks a fight, they have, cause that back and forth.

03:00:03.000 Some people like to start that back and forth to be able to, cause a lot of women, they

03:00:08.000 want to start a fight, then tell you what's on their mind while you're already reacting

03:00:14.000 and then shame you for acting in a negative way.

03:00:18.000 So don't ever get that twisted.

03:00:21.000 Whenever a woman picks a fight like that.

03:00:23.000 Um, usually she's going to say something that's on her mind, but then it absolves her from accountability

03:00:29.000 for, for anything that happens in the fight.

03:00:31.000 The smart, the smart one.

03:00:33.000 Sorry.

03:00:34.000 I'm getting the water.

03:00:35.000 Thank you.

03:00:36.000 How did that snowball?

03:00:37.000 Yeah.

03:00:38.000 It started with.

03:00:39.000 Yeah.

03:00:40.000 So how did that lead to 12 hours?

03:00:41.000 Wait, 24 hours total and the police.

03:00:43.000 So a lot of people, like at least lately when I started becoming a character on stream

03:00:48.000 after the home.

03:00:49.000 Oh, actually, can I touch on one point?

03:00:51.000 Yeah, sure.

03:00:52.000 Like, uh, I don't know if y'all saw it, but like, uh, about, you know, early March, we

03:00:58.000 had a home invasion.

03:00:59.000 Okay.

03:01:00.000 Oh yeah.

03:01:01.000 I did see that.

03:01:02.000 Yeah.

03:01:03.000 I did.

03:01:04.000 Three armed gunman.

03:01:05.000 Right.

03:01:06.000 Um, and then, you know, I shot one and then like, she was being held hostage.

03:01:07.000 I saved her.

03:01:08.000 My biggest gripe through this whole thing was like, I saved your life like a month ago.

03:01:13.000 Like, are you seriously like gonna like, and the, here's my gripe.

03:01:17.000 She did the first time she did not call the cops.

03:01:20.000 What happened was we were trying to grab the, I believe it's the camera.

03:01:23.000 Right.

03:01:24.000 And she had it on a tripod.

03:01:25.000 So it's not like I'm even grabbing her.

03:01:26.000 I'm grabbing the camera.

03:01:27.000 Right.

03:01:28.000 And so I'm grabbing the camera.

03:01:29.000 She grabs the camera too.

03:01:30.000 And then, um, you know, briefly we pull at it.

03:01:33.000 And then eventually I just give it back to her.

03:01:35.000 Right.

03:01:36.000 It was like the stream turned off for like 10 seconds.

03:01:39.000 Um, and I gave it back to her and then we're back there and then, you know, uh, and everything

03:01:43.000 is fine.

03:01:44.000 So like, and then someone called into the cops basically.

03:01:46.000 And so here's the thing I learned multiple people call it.

03:01:49.000 Right.

03:01:50.000 Because I got four or five different, um, things.

03:01:52.000 Cause when I was, so, so they came and it's surprising cause we get swatted a lot.

03:01:56.000 So now it's generally just pretty chill and then they come up and they make sure everyone's

03:01:59.000 okay.

03:02:00.000 And they check IDs and they're good.

03:02:01.000 Right.

03:02:02.000 This time it was a heavy knock on the door.

03:02:03.000 It was like the traditional SWAT, which I've also experienced.

03:02:05.000 And then I was like, who is that?

03:02:07.000 And I go to the door and through the frosted glass, I can see, you know, it's black uniforms.

03:02:12.000 I already know what's happening.

03:02:13.000 I was like, okay, open the door.

03:02:15.000 And I'm just like that.

03:02:16.000 I'm just preempting it.

03:02:17.000 Right.

03:02:18.000 And then two galux on my face.

03:02:20.000 Um, I was just like, okay, you know, like just turn around and they handcuff me, which

03:02:24.000 is really rare.

03:02:25.000 Cause it's like the fourth time I've been handcuffed, even though I've been swatted

03:02:28.000 like 20 plus times.

03:02:29.000 Um, and then they've been real tight.

03:02:31.000 And then they also use the military zip tie and then they carted me away.

03:02:34.000 Um, and threw me in the back of a squad car, which is not nowhere made out of plastic.

03:02:37.000 Cause I've never been in a squad car.

03:02:38.000 Um, and so, and then I'm in here and then it's lady cop luckily.

03:02:42.000 Um, because she was more chatty and I was like, why am I in here?

03:02:45.000 Like, what do they call in?

03:02:46.000 I just had a curiosity.

03:02:47.000 And then she's, she, she called, you know, and asked, and then she said, uh, it's a few

03:02:51.000 different calls actually.

03:02:52.000 I was like, oh, okay.

03:02:53.000 I go, okay.

03:02:54.000 Well, what was the, what was the worst one?

03:02:55.000 And they're like, one viewer called in and said, uh, on camera, you beat her unconscious

03:03:00.000 and that, you know, uh, they, you know, uh, you might do worse.

03:03:03.000 Uh, and then, and then, you know, uh, that's why the guns a blazing thing.

03:03:07.000 Right.

03:03:08.000 And there was some benign as like, uh, we need a bonus check.

03:03:10.000 Right.

03:03:11.000 Um, which is fine.

03:03:12.000 But like all these people called within like 10 seconds of the stream being offline, which

03:03:15.000 is kind of crazy.

03:03:16.000 Um, and, and so that was kind of the deal.

03:03:18.000 And we're very friendly with the PD locally, but like, uh, I feel like, uh, when they call

03:03:22.000 Houston, just, uh, without really specifying, like it's like police from like all these different

03:03:27.000 boroughs coming in, which is, I believe the case.

03:03:29.000 Um, and so then the cops came, they checked it out.

03:03:32.000 They, you know, she didn't lie or anything.

03:03:34.000 She told the truth and said, no, like there was no physical thing whatsoever.

03:03:38.000 Right.

03:03:39.000 Also, also there's a live stream.

03:03:40.000 So it's like, you can basically prove it with security cameras.

03:03:42.000 So that was at the end of the, that was at the end of the 12 hours or fighting or like

03:03:46.000 24.

03:03:47.000 Okay.

03:03:48.000 Um, but, but then the part that incensed me was after I got squatted, I came back.

03:03:51.000 Right.

03:03:52.000 Um, and then like, you know, we're going to sit down.

03:03:54.000 Oh, so the cops come.

03:03:55.000 I thought she called the cops on you.

03:03:56.000 No.

03:03:57.000 So she was.

03:03:58.000 Oh my God.

03:03:59.000 Yeah.

03:04:00.000 It's a, this is a long day for you.

03:04:02.000 Yeah, no, it was, it was very long.

03:04:05.000 And so like, we sit down and we start arguing and like, I was like pretty shooken because like,

03:04:10.000 it's been a while since I've had a gun pointed in my face.

03:04:12.000 Yeah.

03:04:13.000 Um, well, other than the break in, but like, I think those guys barely got it to like,

03:04:17.000 they're turning around to shoot me.

03:04:19.000 And so it wasn't literally like, you know, and so I remember saying like, that was crazy.

03:04:24.000 And then I was like, I looked at her.

03:04:25.000 I was like, you should probably condemn whoever in chat did that.

03:04:28.000 And this is where like, I kind of like really got mad.

03:04:30.000 Cause she was like, she was like, why?

03:04:32.000 And I was like, why should we condemn the person who just did the swatting?

03:04:36.000 And she was like, yeah, why?

03:04:38.000 And I was like, I don't know, because it puts us at mortal risk.

03:04:41.000 Like, you know, you're not even riskless.

03:04:43.000 Like, you know, if I was at the doorway standing in front of you, like they could shoot a bullet

03:04:48.000 through me.

03:04:49.000 Right.

03:04:50.000 Like, like, like it's, it's like, it's dangerous for everyone.

03:04:51.000 Also your dogs.

03:04:52.000 I made that point and thing.

03:04:53.000 I was like your dogs.

03:04:54.000 She's normally nervous when we get swatted because, Oh no, don't shoot my dogs.

03:04:57.000 And she runs to, you know, secure the dogs.

03:04:59.000 Right.

03:05:00.000 No, no reaction this time.

03:05:01.000 Right.

03:05:02.000 Like, like my cigar is fucking deadly, but the fucking cops running around is like fine.

03:05:05.000 Apparently like it's just selective.

03:05:06.000 Um, and so then, uh, you know, uh, basically she wouldn't condemn it.

03:05:10.000 In fact, she actually said this, uh, on stream.

03:05:12.000 She was like, uh, you know, between you, me.

03:05:15.000 Right.

03:05:16.000 And the guy who called in the, the, the, the beat her unconscious thing.

03:05:21.000 I'm the one who's at fault for the swatting, not the swatter.

03:05:24.000 Mm.

03:05:25.000 I was just like.

03:05:26.000 Yeah.

03:05:27.000 Like my brain was like exploding because I think about it and it's like, I don't even

03:05:31.000 have to know a person.

03:05:32.000 Like I could just read about another streamer being swatted and I'd feel bad and say, obviously

03:05:38.000 it shouldn't happen.

03:05:39.000 Like it's deplorable.

03:05:40.000 She couldn't say that for someone on this journey alongside her.

03:05:42.000 That was like inconceivable to me.

03:05:44.000 Right.

03:05:45.000 And then, you know, we argued for a bit longer and then she got upset and then she called

03:05:48.000 the cops that call.

03:05:49.000 She had muted the mic.

03:05:50.000 And so that call, she kind of made pretty serious because she, nothing knew what happened

03:05:55.000 at that point between the first cop showing up.

03:05:57.000 And then the second time where she called.

03:05:59.000 Um, and so she decided that she was going to list all the things that happened earlier

03:06:04.000 in the day.

03:06:05.000 Um, such as like the, you know, the stuff that should have already been covered because the

03:06:10.000 cops came.

03:06:11.000 And so obviously they asked her questions and then they didn't find anything wrong.

03:06:14.000 So they left.

03:06:15.000 I feel like if she's going to call the cops again, it had to be something after the first

03:06:18.000 call, before the second call.

03:06:19.000 But she just started talking about yesterday and earlier, just to try to make it a lot,

03:06:23.000 a laundry list of things.

03:06:24.000 Luckily she didn't really lie.

03:06:26.000 I just like, Oh, I feel threatened.

03:06:27.000 I feel threatened.

03:06:28.000 I feel threatened, which she does not, you know, like, like, like literally I saved her

03:06:31.000 life and, and like, you know, like, um, like she came to me in that moment, uh, for me to

03:06:36.000 save her.

03:06:37.000 Um, and so then, you know, they didn't come then.

03:06:40.000 And then she got upset and called them a third time, or I guess the second time, which

03:06:43.000 is the third time that they would have come.

03:06:45.000 Uh, and then this time I was like, Hey, it's kind of weird that for everything in this

03:06:51.000 thing, cause she's the one who streamed this fight.

03:06:54.000 Okay.

03:06:55.000 I kept asking her because usually when we fight, she mutes it and she goes off camera.

03:06:59.000 Right.

03:07:00.000 Like, like a sane person, uh, would, right.

03:07:02.000 Uh, this one, for whatever reason, she never wanted to mute it.

03:07:06.000 And she wanted to stream the fight.

03:07:08.000 Um, and, and so like that obviously also contributes to me being swatted, um, because her fans,

03:07:13.000 you know, uh, might want to, uh, get rid of me.

03:07:16.000 Um, so basically she calls them a third time.

03:07:19.000 And this time I say, no, no, no, I want the, I want the stream on this one.

03:07:22.000 And so we put it on with audio and then she says the most true version of, uh, any of the calls

03:07:27.000 she's ever done.

03:07:28.000 And it's just like, literally the cop told her straight up, ma'am, we cannot get involved

03:07:35.000 because there is no issue.

03:07:38.000 Y'all are arguing, right?

03:07:40.000 It's on stream.

03:07:41.000 So there's evidence.

03:07:42.000 He's never hit you.

03:07:43.000 You know, she's yelling more than I am.

03:07:45.000 It's like, she's like, this cop was just like, ma'am, like, this is not what you call this.

03:07:49.000 I know.

03:07:50.000 I was like exaleration.

03:07:52.000 The clips that I was watching, she's like screaming.

03:07:55.000 And then you talk back and she's like, Oh my God.

03:07:58.000 I was like, poor guy.

03:08:01.000 I've learned that like, if I yell, I'm an abuser.

03:08:04.000 If she yells, I'm also an abuser.

03:08:06.000 So, okay.

03:08:08.000 So then she called the cops and they basically said it's nothing.

03:08:12.000 And yeah, they would not come out.

03:08:14.000 Okay.

03:08:15.000 And just like, what was the, what?

03:08:17.000 So ironically, she kind of storms off at one point.

03:08:20.000 Um, and then I actually sit there and stream an extra eight hours telling my side of the story.

03:08:25.000 No way.

03:08:26.000 Well, at least you got your side of the story out there.

03:08:29.000 Cause not a lot of guys had that chance once allegations are made.

03:08:33.000 And I'm pretty sure in those eight hours, you gave every single little detail because the worst thing, you know, women are really good at getting their side of the story out there.

03:08:43.000 And then, cause men aren't on social media as much.

03:08:46.000 So you're, you're on defense.

03:08:48.000 People have heard her version of the story and you're constantly backpedaling and ducking and dodging.

03:08:53.000 So good job with that.

03:08:54.000 Thank you.

03:08:55.000 Yeah.

03:08:56.000 I'll never convince them that the 2022 incident though, you know what I'm saying?

03:08:58.000 Like, like the, it's at that old quote, like, uh, the lie gets around the world seven times before the truth gets out of bed.

03:09:03.000 Like, yeah, I get what you're saying.

03:09:04.000 Like, luckily right after I had the chance to talk about it, because like, it feels like a week, a month, like that degrades the value of it so much.

03:09:11.000 Yeah.

03:09:12.000 So, um, like, where are you guys at now?

03:09:16.000 Yeah.

03:09:17.000 What's the current state?

03:09:18.000 I think this call might've pissed her off to the point where maybe, I mean, we probably could have been already had a divorce.

03:09:25.000 Maybe this also does it.

03:09:26.000 Well, what, like, what do you want?

03:09:28.000 Like what's, who cares what she wants?

03:09:30.000 What do you want?

03:09:31.000 Honestly, if I got, I'm willing to apologize for yelling because like, fine.

03:09:36.000 Uh, but like, if I got an apology for, for saying that it was, she didn't say exactly it was okay.

03:09:43.000 She just said like, between the guy who swatted you and you, it's, it's you who deserves the blame for the swatting.

03:09:48.000 Uh, and like, I would like an apology for that.

03:09:51.000 So you want to, so you want to work it out and then like, you just want an apology and then.

03:09:56.000 I'm totally okay with both at this point.

03:09:58.000 Like at this point, it's so crazy.

03:09:59.000 Like the, the, the, the kind of tipping off point for me was like, I just risked my life to save her life like a month ago.

03:10:07.000 Like what in like, and I, I've never hit her.

03:10:10.000 And so it's like, what in the world happened that like, you're this mad about me suggesting I smoke a cigar.

03:10:18.000 I have a cigar lounge and then you, you interrupted me trying to smoke one for, for, you know, I don't want to cuss for, for heck's sake.

03:10:27.000 Um, so like, it just blows my mind.

03:10:30.000 Like, I feel like it's like the most natural thing ever because I was already smoking a cigar.

03:10:34.000 Um, I don't know, like she has her good moments for sure.

03:10:39.000 And like, here's the sad part, right?

03:10:42.000 I am almost a hundred percent certain that if we quit this online career.

03:10:47.000 That it would be fine.

03:10:50.000 It's the need to get a story out to talk to all of her fans and make sure they don't think a certain way of her.

03:10:56.000 She won't ever admit it, but like it affects a person.

03:11:00.000 This fight would not have happened if she wasn't like intent on streaming.

03:11:05.000 Right.

03:11:06.000 Cause it's just not enough to set anything off.

03:11:09.000 Right.

03:11:10.000 I still to this, I can't figure out why this was such a crazy thing.

03:11:14.000 Like, um, I continue the conversation mainly just to find out.

03:11:17.000 Cause I was like, did something crazy happen that you're not, you're not letting me in on.

03:11:21.000 And I did wrong and that whatever, but like, yeah.

03:11:24.000 So I'm okay with either.

03:11:25.000 Like, this is probably I've been here before, but I feel like the difference here is we're both here at the same time where I think we're both ready to be done.

03:11:34.000 Ready to be done, but also at least somewhat open to working it out.

03:11:38.000 Um, and so I don't know what's going to happen, honestly, but, uh, I'm sure this interview did not help.

03:11:44.000 So what happened over here?

03:11:45.000 I'm sorry.

03:11:46.000 Go ahead.

03:11:47.000 What happened with, um, the producer?

03:11:49.000 So did she, the, you said she, you said, she's, um, she's hooking up day.

03:11:58.000 I don't know.

03:11:59.000 Do you know who spread that version first?

03:12:02.000 Because I don't know.

03:12:03.000 I just saw a clip on X.

03:12:05.000 Yeah.

03:12:06.000 You can.

03:12:07.000 Oh, cause like they're saying it's the guy from fresh and fit.

03:12:10.000 And, and it's absolutely not like, like, that's, that's not what I was inferring.

03:12:13.000 It was just another, like, yeah.

03:12:15.000 I mean, like, I don't even know that guy.

03:12:17.000 Obviously she met that guy cause she took a photo, but like, it wasn't that guy that, you know, I was even referencing.

03:12:23.000 Oh, it wasn't him.

03:12:24.000 Yeah.

03:12:25.000 It was a guy who's not really a social media person.

03:12:27.000 So it's like.

03:12:28.000 Like someone like one of the, you don't have to, you don't have to say his name.

03:12:31.000 Was it like someone, a guest on the crew or something?

03:12:34.000 Like, was it just.

03:12:35.000 Oh no, it's nothing like that.

03:12:36.000 It's like, it has nothing to do with fresh and fit.

03:12:37.000 That, that was like a weird.

03:12:38.000 And I apologize if like, I waste your time because this is like the red pill time.

03:12:41.000 They all care about, but it's like no one on fresh and fit.

03:12:44.000 Um, has been with her.

03:12:46.000 Walter tried.

03:12:50.000 I think he tries with a lot of people, but no, I guess my question is, so did she cheat or did she not cheat?

03:12:57.000 Like what, what happened?

03:13:00.000 You can be honest.

03:13:01.000 It's all right.

03:13:02.000 Like, you know, she will murder me if I don't tell her version of it.

03:13:07.000 But basically, um, so, so she used to, yeah, she did, huh?

03:13:14.000 You're not, you're, you're hesitating too much.

03:13:16.000 She did something.

03:13:17.000 Well, so look, I drove up and like all the information is like terrible, right?

03:13:22.000 Like I drove up, it's 2 AM.

03:13:24.000 She's not answering her phone.

03:13:25.000 Right now she's not at his house, but like, she's in a parking lot in the dangerous part of town.

03:13:31.000 Um, and her Jeep is there with its doors wide open.

03:13:34.000 And I drive up and from distance, I can see she's standing.

03:13:38.000 He's standing there embracing.

03:13:40.000 Okay.

03:13:41.000 Um, she maintains that nothing happened.

03:13:44.000 He just hugged her.

03:13:46.000 And then he tried to kiss her, but she pushed away.

03:13:48.000 That's her.

03:13:49.000 But when I drove up, they were very closely embraced.

03:13:53.000 Okay.

03:13:54.000 Okay.

03:13:55.000 And I thought I saw, which I might've solved, but I'm just going to say, I thought I saw that her hand was down his trousers.

03:14:04.000 Um, she maintains that her arms were out of her, uh, jacket sleeves and just hanging at that level.

03:14:12.000 Don't let her gaslight you.

03:14:14.000 Don't let her gaslight you King.

03:14:16.000 It would look like hands, you know, kind of going in.

03:14:19.000 Right.

03:14:20.000 Don't let her, don't let her gaslight you.

03:14:21.000 I've heard this before.

03:14:23.000 But when I showed up, right.

03:14:25.000 She jumped back from him.

03:14:28.000 Um, and like, he's a way bigger guy than me.

03:14:31.000 Okay.

03:14:32.000 Like, like the dude is like six, one, six, two, and like super jacked.

03:14:36.000 And so I show up and it's weird because I do conceal carry, but I had no intention of using, uh, my gun whatsoever.

03:14:45.000 Um, she calling, she calling.

03:14:48.000 Yeah.

03:14:49.000 Uh, and she, she basically doesn't say anything and correct the story.

03:14:54.000 And so this guy thinks that she's divorced and I'm stalking her.

03:14:57.000 We're very much married.

03:14:58.000 Right.

03:14:59.000 And so then he threatens to fucking pulverize me.

03:15:02.000 Um, and I was, you know, if he started hitting me, I don't know if I'd pull my gun out because I just don't think that's a warrantable situation.

03:15:08.000 I guess it probably is.

03:15:09.000 But like, um, and then he threatened to call the cops.

03:15:11.000 I go, go ahead and call the cops.

03:15:12.000 Right.

03:15:13.000 Like, and then he was like, you know, or, you know, I might take care of this on my own.

03:15:15.000 Right.

03:15:16.000 And then he just, we just kind of squared off for a bit.

03:15:18.000 And then he eventually left.

03:15:19.000 Like he didn't do anything.

03:15:20.000 I didn't do anything.

03:15:21.000 Right.

03:15:22.000 Um, and then, you know, uh, we got her home.

03:15:25.000 Um, you know, and then that's when she told me her version of it.

03:15:29.000 Um, it's kind of how it goes.

03:15:32.000 Yeah.

03:15:33.000 Okay.

03:15:34.000 So you basically, so you didn't see her doing it for sure, but you're pretty sure you saw it.

03:15:39.000 I was driving up from a fair bit of distance.

03:15:42.000 And so it's like, but like, you know, I mean, she's embracing the guy.

03:15:46.000 She's not pushing away at that point.

03:15:48.000 Uh, she says that she pushed him away when you try to kiss her.

03:15:50.000 Um, they weren't kissing.

03:15:51.000 So it's, it's like, but then you have to go, it'd go like this, right?

03:15:55.000 Like, okay.

03:15:56.000 So you're saying, what are you doing in the parking lot at 2am with another dude?

03:15:59.000 Like, what are you doing?

03:16:00.000 Also you push him away.

03:16:01.000 We try to kiss you.

03:16:02.000 So now you know his intentions.

03:16:03.000 Right.

03:16:04.000 And then y'all hug again.

03:16:05.000 Like that's kind of weird, you know?

03:16:08.000 Yeah.

03:16:09.000 Don't let her gaslight you.

03:16:10.000 I've heard this before.

03:16:12.000 Okay.

03:16:13.000 So they're saying in the chat that Chris said he, um, yeah, there's nothing with Chris though.

03:16:21.000 They're saying in the chat that he did it.

03:16:23.000 I don't know.

03:16:24.000 I don't know.

03:16:25.000 They just, I think they're jumping onto a good story.

03:16:28.000 I'll take your word.

03:16:29.000 I don't know.

03:16:30.000 I'm just looking at the chat.

03:16:31.000 Okay.

03:16:32.000 So from what I've seen, the social dynamic and the social contract of you guys' marriage

03:16:39.000 has completely changed over 10 years, man.

03:16:41.000 Oh yeah.

03:16:42.000 Right.

03:16:43.000 Now, now over here, we say that men would ideally men would want their wife to stay the same

03:16:50.000 as when they got married, like the day that they got made for the rest of their lives,

03:16:54.000 but you're in a completely different universe, man.

03:16:57.000 So what are you going to do with, are you going to be able to stay in this dude dynamic?

03:17:03.000 Like, have you thought about how you're going to navigate this dude?

03:17:06.000 Because you said that she walks away from you now.

03:17:08.000 Like she used to want to resolve the argument.

03:17:10.000 She walks away from you.

03:17:11.000 She's hugged up with Tyrone Maximus at two o'clock in the morning.

03:17:16.000 Like, this is a question, I mean, how are you going to handle this new dynamic?

03:17:21.000 And is this something that you're willing to put up with?

03:17:24.000 It's kind of like, well, I mean, obviously I can do something, but we have a post-nump.

03:17:29.000 So like the asset part of it is like, you know, knock on wood, it's fine.

03:17:33.000 Um, but like balls kind of in her court because it's like, I'm not, I needed to walk back to the swatting thing.

03:17:43.000 Like, it has to be at least starting from there.

03:17:45.000 Um, yeah.

03:17:47.000 Like the dynamic has changed.

03:17:48.000 Like you said, like basically when I met her and like, people will say, this is like a power dynamic, blah, blah, blah.

03:17:54.000 But like, it's like, I had all the cards, right.

03:17:56.000 I had a good job.

03:17:57.000 She was living in my house, you know, um, you know, using my stuff, blah, blah, blah.

03:18:01.000 Right.

03:18:02.000 And back then she was different and I, everyone would be right.

03:18:05.000 Because, uh, now whether she's actually accurate or not, she doesn't think she needs me financially whatsoever.

03:18:11.000 Right.

03:18:12.000 Um, like, and maybe that's right, but I, I do a lot of, uh, back end stuff too, you know, like taxes and all that.

03:18:18.000 And sure you can hire a tax person, but like, uh, like, I don't know, I feel like, uh, I do a pretty bang up job.

03:18:25.000 Um, I don't want to say what it is, but it's like a lot of accelerated depreciation stuff on real estate.

03:18:29.000 Like, I feel like I've added on my own 20 million to the net worth just from tax savings, the legal strategies.

03:18:35.000 But, you know, uh, she doesn't think she needs me financially.

03:18:38.000 Right.

03:18:39.000 Right.

03:18:40.000 At this moment, I don't think she thinks she wants or needs me personally.

03:18:43.000 Um, I just, the main thing for me is this, right.

03:18:46.000 The glue for me is this, right.

03:18:47.000 I've been with this person for 10 years and no one I ever find is going to have an understanding of the journey that I went through during this period.

03:18:56.000 Other than, and it's vice versa too, but I don't know if she cares about that.

03:19:00.000 And so like, part of me is like, man, dude, I don't want to explain myself to another person.

03:19:05.000 I don't know if I'd ever even settle down with another person if we split.

03:19:07.000 Right.

03:19:08.000 Like I always thought it was going to be a bachelor for life, but like, yeah, the dynamic has changed and it's kind of balls in her court.

03:19:15.000 Um, I hope that if we stopped doing this, you know, career that like things would go back to some semblance of whatever, cause we never fight when it's not about work or while one of us is working.

03:19:29.000 Right.

03:19:30.000 What would life after this career, this quote unquote career look like?

03:19:33.000 Do you have any idea what that would look like at all?

03:19:36.000 It's kind of funny because it's like her idyllic life.

03:19:39.000 Right.

03:19:40.000 Um, she wants to buy a huge swath of acreage out in the middle of nowhere.

03:19:44.000 You know, uh, probably Colorado and then just build a house and then, um, you know, uh, put up a horse state.

03:19:53.000 Right.

03:19:54.000 And that's like within the realm of reach pretty easily.

03:19:58.000 And so, yeah, I mean like that, that's what it is.

03:20:01.000 And I don't, you know, I'm more of a beach house person, but like, um, I'm a guy.

03:20:05.000 And so like, I really don't care about my surroundings as long as I get to do what I want.

03:20:09.000 Right. Like, uh, like, you know, if I can shoot guns on my own land, that'd be kind of cool.

03:20:13.000 Um, but, uh, yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it.

03:20:16.000 Um, it's her preference for the lifestyle that we live.

03:20:19.000 Right. And I was willing to, you know, still am maybe lean in my resources to kind of help make it happen.

03:20:24.000 Because that's the thing you split this net worth in half.

03:20:27.000 Like she probably has enough to kind of run all the crazy stuff that happens here in terms of the costs.

03:20:32.000 Cause there's a lot of house staff, right.

03:20:34.000 Right. Three cleaners, three times a week.

03:20:36.000 Um, and then pet people and, and, and like, uh, personal assistants who book trips.

03:20:41.000 And there's a lot of like overhead costs.

03:20:43.000 Right. And so she could maintain it on her half.

03:20:45.000 Um, if you look at the residual income that that half spins off, but I don't think she would be able to buy this ranch.

03:20:52.000 And then also the residual cost that it's going to cost.

03:20:55.000 And so like, it's kind of like the thing, but I don't know if like, I want her staying for that reason, you know?

03:21:01.000 So it's, I'm at an impasse.

03:21:02.000 So it's been kind of awkward the last few days in the house.

03:21:09.000 Absolutely.

03:21:10.000 Are you kind of scared?

03:21:11.000 Are you kind of scared for after the stream?

03:21:15.000 I think she was just going to stonewall me, honestly.

03:21:17.000 Um, it's funny because yeah, like, like when, when I started streaming and talking a little bit, like she hated that.

03:21:23.000 Like she was mad about it all day today.

03:21:25.000 Like in the morning she was like neutral ish.

03:21:28.000 It gives you more power.

03:21:30.000 That's why.

03:21:31.000 Yeah.

03:21:32.000 Yeah.

03:21:33.000 In the afternoon she was just like very clearly mad.

03:21:35.000 And I tried to be like a decent person yesterday.

03:21:38.000 Cause both of us hadn't eaten 36 hours.

03:21:40.000 I ordered her food too.

03:21:41.000 And, you know, as a statement of, uh, defiance, not defiance, but just like, just to make a statement, she chose not to eat it.

03:21:48.000 It's like her, she was like, see, and then today she did ask me to go and get her something.

03:21:52.000 And I did get a turn, but like, it didn't chill the icy demeanor whatsoever.

03:21:56.000 She's, I don't know.

03:21:58.000 How often do you guys fight?

03:22:00.000 How often do you guys fight?

03:22:01.000 Like just normally?

03:22:02.000 There was a time and ironically it coincided with when she was making like obscene amounts of money, like two to 2.5 a month, where it would be like almost weekly.

03:22:10.000 Right.

03:22:11.000 Right.

03:22:12.000 Because the stakes were so high.

03:22:14.000 And then like, I get it.

03:22:15.000 It's like, it is a lot of money.

03:22:17.000 And so then like tempers go for the smallest thing.

03:22:20.000 Right.

03:22:21.000 It used to be like, you know, maybe one wrong typo on a tweet could be like cost 50,000 of opportunity cost.

03:22:28.000 And so it's, it was a crazy time.

03:22:30.000 And so we used to fight a lot, but now it's mellowed out so much that I'm so surprised that she's this angry.

03:22:34.000 Right.

03:22:35.000 Like in my opinion, like if we're talking an actual fight, like not even necessarily this caliber, like a fight where we're actually both like, this is a fight.

03:22:42.000 Right.

03:22:43.000 Probably every two months.

03:22:45.000 Is there like another guy maybe in the, cause sometimes women will like pick fights if they want to leave and they want to like, like, cause women were so fueled by our reputation that if like, if we want to leave and not look like the bad guy, we have to figure out a way to make you the bad guy.

03:23:01.000 You got it.

03:23:02.000 Yeah.

03:23:03.000 So is there like a, I mean, I don't know if you'll even say it if there is on street, but like, is there someone else? Is she still talking to Daquan or?

03:23:11.000 No, she hasn't talked to that guy since that night.

03:23:14.000 Um, and then like, I know there's not another guy, uh, because she streams so goddamn much.

03:23:20.000 Like, I think she's averaging like 15 hours a day because of the way that her kick contract is structured.

03:23:24.000 She's like getting four grand an hour.

03:23:26.000 And so it's been uncapped.

03:23:27.000 Right.

03:23:28.000 So she's been spamming the hours.

03:23:29.000 Um,

03:23:30.000 I will, but yeah, but you could still message someone on Instagram.

03:23:33.000 You could, but she doesn't even run her own Instagram.

03:23:36.000 Oh, so she doesn't.

03:23:37.000 Okay.

03:23:38.000 Yeah.

03:23:39.000 And then she's on socials like by choice.

03:23:40.000 Right.

03:23:41.000 Cause we have people who do that.

03:23:42.000 Um, she takes pictures obviously, but let them like that.

03:23:45.000 They figure everything out.

03:23:46.000 Sometimes she reads the proof and whatever.

03:23:48.000 I can give you a little red meat, uh, ancillarily.

03:23:50.000 I know exactly what you're talking about though.

03:23:52.000 Like, uh, we did a show once.

03:23:53.000 I'll even name drop the person.

03:23:54.000 Cause I don't care.

03:23:55.000 We did a show once a big produce show that costs like 700 grand to throw.

03:23:59.000 And, uh, a streamer fairly popular named the Lenity, uh, was at this thing.

03:24:03.000 And she kind of regaled everyone with stories in the back of the bus.

03:24:06.000 Uh, when we're going to this event and like, it's so crazy because she said this to a bus

03:24:11.000 full of other influencers.

03:24:12.000 Like it was like the most natural thing.

03:24:14.000 She was like, I really like the lifeguard at the event place, but I have a long-term boyfriend

03:24:18.000 who runs my own hands.

03:24:19.000 Right.

03:24:20.000 Right.

03:24:21.000 And, and then everyone's like, yeah, you know, it's tough.

03:24:23.000 Right.

03:24:24.000 Imagine if a guy, a guy, imagine if you said that I like the, like the hot girl at the

03:24:29.000 event.

03:24:30.000 I have a streamer.

03:24:32.000 Go ahead.

03:24:33.000 Go ahead.

03:24:34.000 I'm sorry.

03:24:35.000 She, she straight up says like, almost like a villain monologuing to an entire group of

03:24:39.000 people who are probably going to gossip.

03:24:41.000 Like she literally says, you know what?

03:24:43.000 I bet I could call them right now.

03:24:45.000 Get into a fight with him.

03:24:47.000 And then we're broken up.

03:24:48.000 I'm going to sleep with this guy tonight.

03:24:50.000 And then tomorrow I wake up.

03:24:52.000 She said that.

03:24:53.000 In front of you?

03:24:55.000 In front of you?

03:24:56.000 Like in front of like 10 other influencers and a bunch of staff.

03:24:59.000 Oh my God.

03:25:00.000 You're cooked.

03:25:01.000 Oh my God.

03:25:02.000 You're so cooked.

03:25:03.000 Like for some people to really do that.

03:25:05.000 It's another thing to be like, it's okay to talk about.

03:25:07.000 I really hope you're not cooked.

03:25:09.000 You seem like a very nice guy.

03:25:11.000 I gotta, I do predict for a living.

03:25:14.000 It's not looking good.

03:25:16.000 This is not, but it, so I, I have a question.

03:25:21.000 So I have a list of things that are just one and done.

03:25:26.000 If a woman calls the cops on me, I'm done.

03:25:28.000 I'm done.

03:25:29.000 Like, you know, if a, you know, if a woman, it's just, so have in your head, have any lines

03:25:39.000 been crossed where you're tolerating stuff that you'd never thought that you could tolerate?

03:25:43.000 I mean, like, have, have any of your one and done lines been crossed?

03:25:49.000 And you, you, you, you're trying to wonder if you want to keep, you understand what I'm

03:25:54.000 going to ask you?

03:25:55.000 I'm moving the goalpost to them.

03:25:56.000 Right.

03:25:57.000 Easy.

03:25:58.000 Two of them.

03:25:59.000 The, the cancellation stream in 22 is one.

03:26:01.000 Right.

03:26:02.000 Um, and then the second one was, uh, the swatting thing.

03:26:05.000 Uh, like, like the, the, this one, but you know, also like, uh, we got pretty close to

03:26:09.000 a few other times too.

03:26:10.000 And so obviously these are like really, really bad, but like, there is a little bit of solace,

03:26:15.000 which maybe I shouldn't have, but it's like, you know, when she did the dispatch call,

03:26:18.000 she didn't lie.

03:26:19.000 Um, and, and so, um, she called the cops twice.

03:26:24.000 They didn't come for her.

03:26:25.000 It was the viewer that called the crazy thing that got them to come.

03:26:27.000 So it's kind of a gray area, you know?

03:26:32.000 Um, so they're really telling me you're lying about this.

03:26:39.000 About what?

03:26:40.000 They're calling the cops?

03:26:41.000 No, no.

03:26:42.000 Also, she's texting me to say that, and this is true.

03:26:44.000 It's Alinity and not her on the bus story.

03:26:47.000 Yeah.

03:26:48.000 Who's Alinity?

03:26:50.000 Oh, it's a big female streamer on Twitch.

03:26:53.000 Um, one of the OGs kind of.

03:26:55.000 Yeah.

03:26:56.000 Yeah.

03:26:57.000 They're saying that you like are fake the fighting.

03:27:00.000 Absolutely not.

03:27:01.000 Like, like the swatting was so surprising because after the robbery, we have, we hire

03:27:08.000 cops to be security and like the, the, the guy who was on, you know, they're humans.

03:27:13.000 And so they have to go and grab lunch.

03:27:14.000 And so they take a lunch break.

03:27:15.000 And so it was during this lunch break that like our cop wasn't out there.

03:27:19.000 Cause that would have been very helpful.

03:27:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:27:21.000 Like, like our cop talking to the cops that are coming, but like, no, no, there's nothing

03:27:24.000 that crazy happening here.

03:27:25.000 You know?

03:27:26.000 Um, but he was out and hence why the knock on the door was actually like cops had no idea

03:27:30.000 of anything.

03:27:31.000 Um, right.

03:27:32.000 Um, absolutely not.

03:27:33.000 I don't, they're always going to say it's fighting.

03:27:34.000 They said the robbery was fighting and I shot a dude and four guys are facing two counts

03:27:39.000 of five to 99 years.

03:27:40.000 Right.

03:27:41.000 And they're in prison right now.

03:27:42.000 Right.

03:27:43.000 Uh, I'm talking to the DA all the time.

03:27:45.000 Like, so like, they'll always say that because they think for whatever reason that she is

03:27:48.000 a liar.

03:27:49.000 Um, but like, I don't know, like the 22 situation, like, obviously there was a lot of overstating.

03:27:57.000 Right.

03:27:58.000 But like her feeling was real.

03:28:02.000 Like she was upset and, and, and she did, you know, I claim misconstrue what I'm saying.

03:28:10.000 Um, and so like every fight has been real.

03:28:12.000 There's never been a stage fight.

03:28:13.000 Um, but as, as, as is the nature of social media, like, um, you know, it kind of benefits

03:28:19.000 from entropy.

03:28:20.000 All movement is good movement, right?

03:28:22.000 Like, um, it's like all, all, all publicity is good publicity.

03:28:25.000 Old Hollywood.

03:28:26.000 Like what would prevent her from doing this again?

03:28:29.000 Like what would be, if you guys do work it out, like, wouldn't the same, like, cause

03:28:36.000 you're, cause you're, you're showing that you would accept it.

03:28:39.000 Right.

03:28:40.000 If you like, so what would stop her from doing this to you in like six months?

03:28:44.000 And also the certain things.

03:28:46.000 So if you're in a married situation, once you say the word divorce, you, you can never put

03:28:51.000 it back in the bottle or, you know, you don't have guys, you don't have any kids.

03:28:54.000 For example, if you're a man and you're with your wife and she says, well, you have kids.

03:28:59.000 Well, the kids ain't yours.

03:29:00.000 You can never put that back in the bottle.

03:29:03.000 And I think a couple of things that you can't have happened where you can't put it back in

03:29:07.000 the bottle.

03:29:08.000 I understand.

03:29:09.000 I'm saying you're saying, uh, what do we have in that?

03:29:15.000 I mean, yeah.

03:29:17.000 The saying of divorce.

03:29:18.000 Cause we both said it, uh, probably me a little more.

03:29:21.000 So, okay.

03:29:22.000 Definitely more.

03:29:23.000 So, um, there's that, I mean, it's tough, right?

03:29:30.000 Because, uh, I would love for it to be like this hard policy of like, if we're having any

03:29:34.000 kind of discord that like, it does not be made into content, I actually don't want the drama

03:29:38.000 out there.

03:29:39.000 Right?

03:29:40.000 People saying it's fake.

03:29:41.000 We're going to take it all back.

03:29:42.000 We were making great.

03:29:43.000 We were making two to 2.5 before the first drama ever hit before that first 2022 call.

03:29:48.000 No one is doing it for that.

03:29:50.000 Like, I mean, I'm sure you all understand this.

03:29:51.000 It's like, if you're making two to 2.5 million a month, you're not going to rock the gravy

03:29:55.000 train to get more famous.

03:29:57.000 You're going to milk it as long as you can.

03:29:58.000 That was our plan.

03:29:59.000 And we milked it for up to already a year and a half at that point.

03:30:03.000 Right?

03:30:04.000 Every month to 2 million plus.

03:30:06.000 And so we were not trying to change any formulas.

03:30:08.000 Uh, that's like the best proof that there was nothing.

03:30:10.000 And I honestly, um, other than we signing ginormous kick deal.

03:30:16.000 Um, we actually lost money other than that very first month.

03:30:19.000 That first month, first month was weird.

03:30:21.000 People like joining an abused person's only fans or their perceived being abused person's

03:30:25.000 own fans.

03:30:26.000 And it was like the highest month ever.

03:30:28.000 But then every other month after that was lower than, uh, two, but not by that much.

03:30:33.000 But still like, um, we lost money for that.

03:30:35.000 I know everyone thinks we made money.

03:30:37.000 It did not happen.

03:30:38.000 And this drama will probably make us lose some amount of money as well.

03:30:41.000 Well, yeah.

03:30:42.000 It's like it's short term versus long term.

03:30:44.000 Right.

03:30:45.000 Cause if you have enough of this like stuff, people kind of tune out.

03:30:48.000 You know, if you guys did like another one, like no one, you know, it's like at some

03:30:52.000 point.

03:30:53.000 Yeah.

03:30:54.000 Yeah.

03:30:55.000 Well, not completely.

03:30:56.000 I have a lot of people watching right now.

03:30:58.000 Um, okay.

03:31:01.000 Okay.

03:31:02.000 I want to do the super chats real quick.

03:31:04.000 If they roast you, I'm sorry, but I tell them I read them always.

03:31:07.000 So, uh, they roast me sometimes too.

03:31:10.000 Okay.

03:31:11.000 Okay.

03:31:12.000 I have this playing in the background, but don't care much.

03:31:15.000 Looks like Amarith sent in the simp squad, which is entertaining.

03:31:19.000 Vincent said years ago when the outcomes for marriage were the opposite.

03:31:22.000 It was used.

03:31:23.000 If we use your view of the world, why would we take such a shit deal and reverse it to

03:31:28.000 why wouldn't men take such a good deal?

03:31:30.000 How did society change prescripts?

03:31:32.000 Women who also want to change society, they also need them.

03:31:36.000 Um, biblical patriarchy is greater than red pill.

03:31:40.000 Um, allowing your spouse to do OF means there's a level of acceptance.

03:31:44.000 Where's the cutoff to the behavior?

03:31:46.000 What percentage of marriages survive shades of infidelity and how, what percent of marriages

03:31:51.000 end due to infidelities?

03:31:53.000 $5.

03:31:54.000 Shamelessly foisted upon the pearl for another, other than the fact that I want more pearly

03:31:59.000 things in my life.

03:32:00.000 Damn.

03:32:01.000 I guess that makes me a simp.

03:32:02.000 It really does.

03:32:03.000 Um, if five, um, men, uh, try soggy soyo just one time, it makes it a degenerate.

03:32:11.000 Um, this woman is not pretty enough to be this exhausting.

03:32:16.000 Thanks for debating 07, LOL.

03:32:19.000 I'm advocating men to check out.

03:32:21.000 We'll leave to more men on aliving yourself.

03:32:23.000 Are you reasonable?

03:32:24.000 Follow your own logic.

03:32:25.000 Um, and no fault.

03:32:27.000 Divorce and marry.

03:32:28.000 There is a separation of church and state, but not for marriage.

03:32:30.000 Next time, ask him which gender roles between men and women have been broken down.

03:32:34.000 If so, with propaganda on women could control to fix divorce.

03:32:39.000 Uh, Glenn, let me call in.

03:32:41.000 Uh, I think that's all.

03:32:42.000 Some of them were for the last guest, not you.

03:32:45.000 So if they didn't make sense, that's why.

03:32:48.000 Um, okay.

03:32:50.000 Well, I'm glad you got your side of the story out.

03:32:53.000 Um, I hope you guys figure it out.

03:32:55.000 Doug MPI, do you have any other questions for him?

03:32:58.000 I think I really went through everything I had.

03:33:00.000 Um, you, you built one of the biggest people in your space.

03:33:08.000 I'd say the biggest.

03:33:09.000 Um, Pearl always says that there's a man behind every successful woman on these platforms.

03:33:15.000 I do.

03:33:16.000 Um, and, uh, maybe you're struggling with that.

03:33:19.000 What's that cost fallacy where you, you sunk a lot of costs into a situation in a person.

03:33:23.000 But, um, you know, I don't know what's going to happen, but.

03:33:27.000 In general, if things end, men are generally more successful at the divorce and women are not.

03:33:36.000 So, you know, uh.

03:33:38.000 Plus all the girls will be at them.

03:33:39.000 They'll be like, make me famous.

03:33:41.000 Oh, yeah.

03:33:42.000 Come up like a line of like 22 year old.

03:33:45.000 Oh, off girls.

03:33:46.000 And you're probably struggling with what you, you know, doing the right thing or what you have to do.

03:33:52.000 Man, you don't have to do nothing, man.

03:33:54.000 You know, figure out what you want to do.

03:33:57.000 Just do it.

03:33:58.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:33:59.000 Like, you don't have to put up with disrespect.

03:34:01.000 You don't have to put up with someone talking back.

03:34:04.000 Like, and most of the time, you're going to think that someone is.

03:34:08.000 Oh, yeah.

03:34:09.000 It's a cost fallacy.

03:34:11.000 Um, you'd be surprised.

03:34:13.000 You think that, you know, having been married and divorced myself.

03:34:16.000 You think that that person has something that nobody else has.

03:34:20.000 Like, oh, my God, they're so special.

03:34:22.000 There's no one like them.

03:34:23.000 Then on the other end, you find out and you realize that they're just like everybody else.

03:34:29.000 No, I mean, I do need to hear some.

03:34:33.000 I've been so, you know, stuck in this world and the grind that, like, I haven't really stopped to think about it.

03:34:40.000 Um, I definitely hear what you're saying, though.

03:34:43.000 Yeah.

03:34:44.000 I appreciate the wisdom.

03:34:46.000 Yeah.

03:34:47.000 And you know what?

03:34:48.000 Hey, there's this red pill space.

03:34:50.000 We need more voices, man.

03:34:51.000 Come on over.

03:34:55.000 Stories for another time.

03:34:57.000 I got a seat for you.

03:34:59.000 Have a seat, man.

03:35:00.000 I swear, he got divorced.

03:35:04.000 All the girls would be chasing him down.

03:35:06.000 I already have so many people in my DMs asking me to manage their OnlyFans and telling me I'm hot.

03:35:11.000 Like, literally.

03:35:12.000 I know.

03:35:13.000 I'm like, that's okay.

03:35:15.000 Why do you think, why do you think they look like she hates you streaming?

03:35:18.000 And when men stream, they get bitches.

03:35:20.000 Men act a little bit different when they have 20 other girls to like.

03:35:26.000 And also, look at your results, man.

03:35:29.000 You know, look at your results.

03:35:31.000 Not only you're confident, competent, capable, you're streaming, and you have results to back up.

03:35:38.000 I mean, come on, man.

03:35:39.000 You just have to figure out what's best for you.

03:35:44.000 Because you, I always say, when men win, everyone wins.

03:35:50.000 And when women win, they win for themselves.

03:35:54.000 And a lot of successful, ambitious men, the modern women with pathologies, they want successful, intelligent, ambitious men to set their desires aside to help them win in their own selfish desires.

03:36:07.000 Anything you do is going to benefit everyone around you, whereas most women, anything they do only benefits themselves.

03:36:17.000 So, and I think maybe the dynamic changed and she started talking to you crazy when you started putting your desires aside and helping her achieve her selfish desires.

03:36:28.000 Because that's usually one of the first indications that you're putting your ambitions and success aside for the sake of hers.

03:36:35.000 Does that make sense?

03:36:38.000 No, that does.

03:36:39.000 I've always assumed that, generally speaking, you know, men, even ones that make a lot of money, it's like, obviously, like, I mean, the wife still makes a lot of purchasing decisions, right?

03:36:49.000 Like, the wife benefits.

03:36:50.000 To echo what you're saying, like, yeah, when men win, like, the women also come along for the ride, but it doesn't always happen.

03:36:55.000 Not nearly as frequently in reverse, unfortunately.

03:36:59.000 Yeah.

03:37:00.000 Yeah, when women win, we just divorce.

03:37:04.000 Sadly enough.

03:37:05.000 Yep.

03:37:06.000 Um, that's all I got, Doug MPA, you got anything else?

03:37:10.000 Yeah, I'm just really glad that you get your story out there.

03:37:13.000 Yeah, me too.

03:37:14.000 And just keep, you know, keep control of the narrative, man.

03:37:17.000 Until the dust settles, however, because, you know, over here, we're not saying, you know, pull the trigger on, on, on breaking up a divorce or whatever, only you can determine that.

03:37:26.000 But the fact that you're helping control the narrative hasn't gotten away from you is big, man, that is big.

03:37:35.000 So you keep telling your story, man, keep telling it and keep saying your side of the story.

03:37:41.000 I appreciate the other perspective.

03:37:46.000 Great.

03:37:47.000 Well, thanks so much for coming on.

03:37:48.000 Do you have anything you want to plug?

03:37:51.000 I mean, I guess I'll plug my Twitter.

03:37:54.000 Sure, sure.

03:37:55.000 Um, it's one word, Nick Wick Lee, Wick, like John Wick Wick.

03:38:01.000 Oh, I thought I, what account did I follow?

03:38:04.000 I think you messaged me there.

03:38:05.000 Or is the Instagram or that?

03:38:07.000 Oh, oh, it's, oh, okay.

03:38:08.000 I didn't realize the title is Amorous Husband.

03:38:13.000 Okay.

03:38:14.000 Yeah, I see it.

03:38:15.000 Yeah.

03:38:16.000 I'm going to put it in the chat so you can follow.

03:38:18.000 I appreciate that.

03:38:19.000 But, you know, this was great.

03:38:21.000 I'm glad I got to talk and, and, you know, I made sure.

03:38:24.000 Uh, I made sure, you know, everything I said, uh, was truthful.

03:38:28.000 Um, she was fact checking me.

03:38:30.000 Yeah.

03:38:31.000 Probably a lot.

03:38:32.000 Amorous, shut up.

03:38:33.000 Like, stop nagging him.

03:38:35.000 I know, I know.

03:38:36.000 I know, I know.

03:38:37.000 You called the cops on him.

03:38:38.000 You should be on your knees right now, lady.

03:38:40.000 I know.

03:38:41.000 And you fucking owe your career to this man right here.

03:38:43.000 Come on.

03:38:44.000 I hope she does.

03:38:45.000 I hope you, you know, she's watching.

03:38:46.000 If you think like your success was you, you are, please God.

03:38:50.000 I know so many women that are flat broke that have had the same, like that had your following

03:38:56.000 or whatever.

03:38:57.000 You would not be where you're at without the guy behind.

03:38:59.000 You would like, there's no way.

03:39:01.000 I don't know a single woman that's done it.

03:39:03.000 None.

03:39:04.000 Zero.

03:39:05.000 Zero zip.

03:39:06.000 I'm an, I'm an expert in this industry.

03:39:08.000 Go ahead, Doug.

03:39:09.000 Pearl did a reaction where Megyn Kelly and Anna Kasparian were talking about, oh yeah,

03:39:15.000 men don't want to date women who work and this and that, whatever.

03:39:18.000 I don't appreciate women's careers.

03:39:20.000 I have it all.

03:39:22.000 I have it all.

03:39:23.000 Where Megyn Kelly's first husband was a surgeon.

03:39:26.000 And then her second husband was a CEO worth like $80 million.

03:39:31.000 So while she was building her career, she was with these successful guys who were able

03:39:36.000 to facilitate her going to law school, facilitate when she got into media.

03:39:41.000 Right.

03:39:42.000 And then she divorced those two guys.

03:39:46.000 Now she's with this guy and she had her three kids through, I think she spent like $80,000

03:39:51.000 on IVF three different times.

03:39:53.000 And now she says she has it all, but it was on the backs of, of the two previous men.

03:39:58.000 Yeah.

03:39:59.000 So, sorry, God, God, but she's built her career off your back.

03:40:04.000 Yeah.

03:40:05.000 And he can do better.

03:40:06.000 You know, he, men, if they can get you, they can always get someone hotter than you in

03:40:10.000 10 years younger.

03:40:11.000 It just is what it is.

03:40:12.000 It's the life of a woman.

03:40:13.000 So, you know, if you're not, if you're not going to treat him right, someone else will

03:40:17.000 lady, stop texting him.

03:40:19.000 So thanks.

03:40:20.000 Leave, leave the poor guy alone.

03:40:22.000 He's been through enough.

03:40:24.000 And enjoy those cigars, man.

03:40:27.000 Yeah.

03:40:28.000 Come on.

03:40:29.000 One last word, Doug.

03:40:30.000 That story of Megyn Kelly.

03:40:32.000 There's like a, there's a slightly better one, which is you should look into Lauren Sanchez,

03:40:36.000 the girl that's with the, or the lady that's married to Jeff Bezos now.

03:40:39.000 Like that is the, the Olympics of, uh, not gold digging, but like.

03:40:43.000 Oh yeah.

03:40:44.000 Oh yeah.

03:40:45.000 Patrick Whitesell, which is like the biggest, uh, co-owner of the biggest agent in Hollywood.

03:40:50.000 Jeff Bezos.

03:40:51.000 Yeah.

03:40:52.000 Some.

03:40:53.000 What do we call her Pearl?

03:40:54.000 Oh.

03:40:55.000 The mythical mid.

03:40:56.000 Remember that she's.

03:40:57.000 Yeah.

03:40:58.000 The mid that's one at all.

03:41:00.000 She's the success story of just how far a mid can go.

03:41:05.000 We don't cover a lot of success stories here for women, but occasionally, you know, most

03:41:10.000 of the time when there's a breakup, the women do worse and the men do better.

03:41:15.000 But occasionally there's a woman that beats the odds and Sanchez really did.

03:41:22.000 She really did.

03:41:23.000 Her case.

03:41:24.000 It should be studied by a freaking sociologist and anthropologist bro.

03:41:28.000 Cause I don't know how she did.

03:41:29.000 She.

03:41:30.000 Wow.

03:41:31.000 NFL player.

03:41:32.000 Pete Whitesell.

03:41:33.000 And then Jeff Bezos.

03:41:35.000 Yeah.

03:41:36.000 And you don't get any purity.

03:41:37.000 The other thing she's got to realize.

03:41:39.000 If she's out on the market, you're not going to get, she might be like only one guy or

03:41:44.000 whatever.

03:41:45.000 No man's going to view her like that.

03:41:46.000 You'd have to go.

03:41:47.000 Oh my gosh.

03:41:48.000 You'd have to go the streamer route.

03:41:50.000 Oh, and I know I'm a streamer.

03:41:53.000 What?

03:41:54.000 The shitty part is she met Jeff Bezos because Patrick invited Jeff Bezos to a party.

03:42:00.000 Yeah.

03:42:01.000 That's true.

03:42:02.000 Yeah.

03:42:03.000 Yeah.

03:42:04.000 It's weird.

03:42:05.000 I'm just, I'm just saying Amara, I would start being nicer instead of nagging because

03:42:11.000 I'm telling you, you're the other side.

03:42:14.000 If you guys break up, I've done.

03:42:16.000 She's probably watching the other side of this.

03:42:18.000 Isn't going to be fun for you.

03:42:19.000 It's really not.

03:42:20.000 Uh, women never appreciate all the things men do.

03:42:23.000 Um, you're probably not going to be as good at managing your own money.

03:42:26.000 Um, a lot of got like the guys interested in you are really going to be entertainers.

03:42:31.000 Um, that's a shit show of day.

03:42:34.000 Good luck with that.

03:42:35.000 Like this is, you know, so I, I would try to, I would try to maybe, cause I don't know

03:42:40.000 why she's nagging you on stream.

03:42:42.000 I mean, instead you should be trying to make up for it, but Hey, you know, lady.

03:42:47.000 Lady.

03:42:48.000 Here's the thing.

03:42:49.000 You guys have emotional investment and you're the last vestige of her having any kind of

03:42:55.000 normal relationship dynamic.

03:42:57.000 Because after you, it's going to be nothing but other, other people in the industry.

03:43:02.000 Yeah.

03:43:03.000 I'm telling you dating as a public figure, you don't, it's as a guy and makes his life way

03:43:08.000 better as a woman.

03:43:09.000 Guys don't like that.

03:43:10.000 I could say this.

03:43:12.000 Um, yeah.

03:43:13.000 So I don't know.

03:43:14.000 Maybe think of ways to make it up to him instead.

03:43:16.000 I'd recommend that, but do as you will.

03:43:19.000 Um, yeah.

03:43:20.000 Doug MP, you got anything else?

03:43:23.000 Nope.

03:43:24.000 That's it, man.

03:43:25.000 Well, thanks for coming on.

03:43:28.000 I really appreciate it.

03:43:29.000 I appreciate the opportunity.

03:43:31.000 Yeah.

03:43:32.000 You always have a platform here.

03:43:34.000 So if anything pops up, you want to get your story out.

03:43:37.000 Yeah.

03:43:38.000 Hit us up.

03:43:39.000 I appreciate that.

03:43:40.000 Thank you.

03:43:41.000 All right, guys.

03:43:45.000 Um, let me see if there's any more super chats.

03:43:50.000 She made her, how, how much money is she worth?

03:43:54.000 She's worth like 20 million.

03:43:56.000 Doug.

03:43:57.000 I'll look it up.

03:43:58.000 Women, we never appreciate what we have, huh?

03:44:01.000 We never really do.

03:44:02.000 I'm like, do you know how many girls I know in that same position that are like flat broke?

03:44:07.000 Like 25 million.

03:44:08.000 Like 25 million.

03:44:09.000 Yeah.

03:44:10.000 I'm like most.

03:44:12.000 Yeah.

03:44:13.000 What a cool guy, man.

03:44:15.000 He's a cool guy.

03:44:16.000 Yeah.

03:44:17.000 Yeah.

03:44:18.000 That's what I'm saying.

03:44:19.000 I'm like, if they break up, he'll be fine.

03:44:21.000 There'll be like 22 year olds lining up her on the other hand.

03:44:26.000 Who would, who would she go for?

03:44:29.000 She'd have to literally, she would have to go for a streamer because like any semblance

03:44:35.000 of guys that have a normal jobs would not touch her.

03:44:39.000 Yeah.

03:44:40.000 And then from what he was saying, she's had, you know, she hasn't been out here thoughting

03:44:45.000 it up.

03:44:46.000 Allegedly.

03:44:47.000 But she has the image of being a thought.

03:44:48.000 Yeah.

03:44:49.000 So that's going to conflict because she's going to be dating with that image.

03:44:54.000 It's just a disaster.

03:44:55.000 She needs to make up with this guy.

03:44:57.000 Let me show you your dating pool, Amaranth.

03:45:00.000 I know she's watching.

03:45:03.000 These are the types of guys that date OnlyFans models.

03:45:06.000 I'm sorry, Neon.

03:45:07.000 You seem like a nice guy.

03:45:12.000 Oh shit.

03:45:13.000 I didn't, I didn't, I didn't plug this earlier.

03:45:17.000 This is your future.

03:45:20.000 Can they see it?

03:45:21.000 Yeah.

03:45:22.000 This is your future.

03:45:24.000 Now let me continue.

03:45:26.000 Maybe, um, you might get like, cause you're, I mean, she's got, what about destiny?

03:45:33.000 Yeah.

03:45:34.000 Destiny would do it.

03:45:35.000 Yeah.

03:45:37.000 Yeah.

03:45:38.000 Destiny.

03:45:39.000 Here you go.

03:45:40.000 Yep.

03:45:41.000 Am or like, this is what's on the other side.

03:45:44.000 Yep.

03:45:46.000 Um, there are, I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie to her.

03:45:48.000 She's good looking enough.

03:45:50.000 There's guys that are going to accept you.

03:45:52.000 I'm not going to, I'm not one of those, but the types of guys, like any semblance of

03:45:57.000 like normal corporate American, it's just, I'm hoping that Nick knows that he doesn't

03:46:06.000 have to put up with disrespect.

03:46:08.000 Um, here's another one that I think would, um, do it, you know?

03:46:12.000 Oh yeah.

03:46:13.000 Your friend.

03:46:14.000 If he ever gets divorced.

03:46:15.000 Yeah.

03:46:16.000 He'll do it.

03:46:17.000 Um, who else, who else could her dating?

03:46:20.000 Bebo.

03:46:21.000 Who?

03:46:22.000 Bebo.

03:46:23.000 Bebo.

03:46:24.000 So I'm going to put Bebo.

03:46:25.000 No, it's, uh, how do you spell his name?

03:46:29.000 Uh, this guy?

03:46:30.000 Oh, Bebo here.

03:46:31.000 No, no, no.

03:46:34.000 Bebo.

03:46:39.000 Are you sure?

03:46:40.000 It says B-E-V-O.

03:46:42.000 It's, it's B-E-A-V-O.

03:46:45.000 B-E-A-V-O.

03:46:47.000 Oh, this guy.

03:46:51.000 That guy.

03:46:52.000 Yeah, he'll do it.

03:46:53.000 I mean, you might be able to look at Lauren Sanchez did win.

03:47:00.000 There are women that do it and win.

03:47:02.000 I'm not going to pretend.

03:47:04.000 Um, I don't know if I know.

03:47:14.000 She would have to, do you know the other group of men?

03:47:16.000 You're going to have to go younger than you.

03:47:18.000 Yeah.

03:47:19.000 You're going to have to go trap a guy that doesn't know better.

03:47:22.000 Like, um, that's what Michaela Peterson did.

03:47:25.000 She went for a young guy.

03:47:28.000 So yeah, your options in the future are probably going to be like five to ten years younger than you.

03:47:33.000 She might be able to get like a trainer with like no job.

03:47:37.000 She's 31.

03:47:40.000 Years old.

03:47:41.000 Yeah.

03:47:42.000 But like the 25 year old.

03:47:44.000 I mean, lately they've been doing it.

03:47:46.000 I'm just telling you trends I've seen.

03:47:49.000 Um, you can maybe trap them with a kid if you're lucky.

03:47:52.000 I would just work this out and I would maybe she doesn't seem like the type of cooks, but maybe like gluck gluck or something.

03:47:59.000 You got to make up for it.

03:48:00.000 Yeah.

03:48:01.000 Or just stop talking about that.

03:48:03.000 Just shut up.

03:48:05.000 Say nothing for like two weeks.

03:48:08.000 Say nothing.

03:48:10.000 She's right.

03:48:11.000 Yeah, I know.

03:48:13.000 I know.

03:48:15.000 Nice and easy solution.

03:48:16.000 What else could she do to make up for it?

03:48:20.000 I know nothing.

03:48:21.000 But like, let's say hypothetically, because right now she's going the nagging route.

03:48:26.000 And that does work until the guy gets too tired.

03:48:28.000 So what would you suggest instead of the nagging?

03:48:32.000 Well, that's what Nick just sounded like.

03:48:33.000 He just sounded like he just tired of the whole thing.

03:48:35.000 Just sick and tired.

03:48:37.000 You know, you can get tired.

03:48:38.000 But when you get sick and tired of being tired, that's when it's over.

03:48:42.000 And I don't.

03:48:43.000 He's almost there.

03:48:44.000 Yeah, I don't think he's there yet, though.

03:48:45.000 But you might have a shot.

03:48:47.000 Work it out, Amarith.

03:48:48.000 Work it out.

03:48:49.000 Yeah, but I would recommend she work it out.

03:48:51.000 Because once again, this is your Amarith.

03:48:53.000 If you're listening to this, your man right now, your husband is the last semblance of

03:48:58.000 a regular relationship dynamic.

03:49:01.000 You are done.

03:49:02.000 You're going to end up in line with Brittany Renner.

03:49:06.000 Yeah.

03:49:07.000 And it's unfortunate.

03:49:08.000 You might have the body count of one.

03:49:09.000 I doubt it.

03:49:10.000 But hey, if he believes it, I guess for shits and giggles, we can say that.

03:49:15.000 But you're going to have to put some numbers out to really get another relationship.

03:49:24.000 Yeah.

03:49:26.000 Yeah.

03:49:27.000 There's STDs on the market.

03:49:28.000 Well, we'll see.

03:49:29.000 I'm hoping.

03:49:30.000 I mean, there's a lot of problems out there you don't want to deal with.

03:49:33.000 Yeah.

03:49:34.000 I would work it out.

03:49:35.000 I'm hoping that Nick finds out, does what's best for him.

03:49:40.000 And if anything else pops off, he calls into the show.

03:49:43.000 Yeah.

03:49:44.000 All right.

03:49:45.000 Thanks again, Doug MPA.

03:49:48.000 Any final thoughts for today at all?

03:49:52.000 Nope.

03:49:53.000 This is a long one.

03:49:54.000 You know, Andrew Wilson, he's great.

03:49:57.000 You know, I'm glad that you two went back and forth.

03:49:59.000 And it's all love.

03:50:00.000 Oh yeah.

03:50:01.000 I'm not actually, I'm not actually mad.

03:50:03.000 He just, he just antagonizes sometimes.

03:50:06.000 And I'm like, can we just not, can we have a normal conversation?

03:50:10.000 But I, but it's not, it's not a big deal.

03:50:13.000 This is a job we're debating.

03:50:15.000 So it's not, yeah.

03:50:16.000 Guys don't think it's, it, it just, it's a job.

03:50:19.000 Like it's fine.

03:50:20.000 He's a good guy.

03:50:21.000 Um.

03:50:22.000 All right.

03:50:23.000 Yeah.

03:50:24.000 But, okay.

03:50:25.000 Thanks for watching guys.

03:50:26.000 Like the video on your way out.

03:50:28.000 Subscribe to the channel and I'll see you guys next time.

03:50:30.000 Bye bye.

03:50:51.000 Bye bye.

03:51:21.000 Bye bye.

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JustPearlyThings - May 12, 2025

Andrew Wilson Returns to Pearl Daily ｜ Amouranth's Husband Calls in ｜ Pearl Daily

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