Annoying Male Panelist Gets Kicked Out!
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss whether or not women should have children, the reasons why women don t have kids, and why it's important to be a good mother. We also discuss the importance of owning your power as a parent and how we can make it easier for women to have children.
Transcript
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I'm so happy you said that because I feel like it's so important to pinpoint
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Me, personally, I'm not having no kids until I'm married.
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So if I don't find my man, and that's my husband,
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and I know that, you know, this is the person that, okay, cool,
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you're ready to have kids with me, you must be ready to marry me also.
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Because I'm not about to raise no child by myself.
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And I feel like a lot for a lot of women as well.
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Like, a lot of the reason why women don't want to have kids,
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You watch your mother grow up as a single mother.
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Like, you haven't had any good representations of good marriages around you.
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My mum says, to quote my mother, because she's just so wise.
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She goes, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother.
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She says, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother.
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Because bad mothers, bad mothers create bad children.
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But what she's just trying to say was just a simple.
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Meaning that we just have a natural disposition to love.
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It's just a natural inclination to just love and to take care.
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Like when we saw the dog running around, what did all the girls do?
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Of course, because they have that potato thing.
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I think it's been difficult to say this because I think obviously you guys make all great points
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here in the room and it's good to have different opinions.
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But from speaking to a lot of women, I'd like to say I've been fairly successful as a man.
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You know, maybe not in terms of relationships, but in terms of friendships and just building
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And the conversations I have living in London, you know, some metropolitan city, a lot of
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people have careers and I feel like they're so pressured these days.
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And I feel like, you know, society is making it so difficult for people to actually want
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It is very difficult, you know, growing up watching our mothers struggle.
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So I think when we're talking about owing something, I think we do owe, you know, every, you know,
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we owe something to someone or to the community, to society.
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But I think the government should make it a little bit easier for people.
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Like, you know, a lot of people that want to have kids, I think they probably think they can't afford to have kids.
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Okay, that's, no, the government should not make it easier for people.
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We're already very spoiled in this country already.
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No, no, this is what I agree with what you said, but I want to get a little granular.
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And I want to ask you in a second, but if I may, because we talk about the concept of ownership.
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And you said, well, maybe the government should make it easier.
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And that completely voiced that over to the responsibility that men have.
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So I asked the guys the question here, just the guys.
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Do you owe it to the world to have the best version of yourself?
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Do you owe it to the world to build institutions?
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Do you owe it to the world to conduct yourself with integrity and character?
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And do you owe it to the world to be a trustworthy, respectable man?
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So I'm going to twist this question a bit in line of what's been said here.
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But I just want to say, you know, I think a lot of guys, they try to be pronatalists, right?
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And they're like, I'm just going to go out there and have a lot of kids, right?
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If I just go out there and I have a lot of kids and I don't treat my wife like a queen.
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If my daughters don't grow up wanting to be moms because of the way they see their mom live, then I have failed.
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And if I treat my wife like, and my sons see that, then they're going to treat their wives that way and their daughters, yes.
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It's about rethinking as a society what it means to be married to somebody, what it means to sacrifice for somebody.
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Because that's what I owe all of this to is her, because she's given up so much for me.
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I owe it to my wife, but I haven't met her yet.
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Some of us have some generational curses to break.
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Listen, and let me tell you where I'm coming from before I get kicked off the show.
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So be careful what you say and how you say it, because each individual person are going through their own pains,
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and their own mental brain processes are different.
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Everyone's trying to put us on the same playing field, but we're not the same.
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Wait, that's like water is wet, the sky is blue.
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The sky is blue, but the sky is a reflection of the sea.
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Can we go back to the point where if we got help, we would actually reproduce?
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Because, for example, you always see footballers at 25 with bare kids, and it's because they can afford it.
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They can actually give that child a really good life that they may never have had.
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If I had money, I would be on the hunt for a guy, and I would be able to focus.
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I think it's that women throw themselves at these guys.
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It's so nice and easy saying, let's reproduce, but people can't afford that.
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And this dude brilliantly hijacked my point, twisted it into a new point, presented a third point, and got an applause for it.
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So, the question I postulate is, do we men owe it to society to be the best versions of ourselves to produce useful labor to build institutions, right?
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And if the answer is yes, because it gives us a purpose to aim for something higher, why is it then that men owe it to society to build institutions?
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Because building institutions, being reliable, being of high character, being of value, of economic value to society, what you do is you make money.
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And, by the way, the stripes on my suit say make money for that purpose because it teaches you it's not supposed to be as reductive as it seems.
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It just teaches you to be self-reliant and independent because it's a high purpose to shoot for to not have to rely on the government.
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I said some people don't have the same opportunities as you.
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Let me finish my point before you argue my point.
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I grew up in a predominantly social housing ghetto neighborhood because I'm an immigrant from the Soviet Union.
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And I ate at the food bank and it was embarrassing.
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Anyway, so the aspiration for a man, there has to be a higher purpose, right?
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I'm not saying that we're all the same and we have the same opportunity.
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But the idea is not that we have the same potential.
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We have different potential in the way we present ourselves.
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But the idea of being productive and a man of value is that you have a higher purpose to aim for.
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I'm not going to tell women what they owe or they don't owe.
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But the idea that if a woman owes it to society to have kids, that sets an extremely high bar of aspiration because it's so damn hard to be a productive enough person for a man to attract a woman who's got enough wisdom and sagaciousness and long-term outlook.
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And, by the way, we talk about we don't owe anything anyone, like servitude.
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It's a very high bar to have children, is it not?