JustPearlyThings - April 03, 2023


Aunty Jenny And Zuby’s Thoughts On LGBTQ


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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of gender identity and what it means to be transgendered in modern society. We discuss the implications of the transgenders movement and how it affects our understanding of the world around us.

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00:00:00.000 As far as I'm concerned, the people, I mean, it's not affected you yet,
00:00:05.240 but the way things are going, wait until they start taking away your rights as a woman 1.00
00:00:09.160 and saying there are rights because we're women. 1.00
00:00:11.740 Or if you have a daughter and she has to then compete and she's sporty 1.00
00:00:15.440 and has to now compete against boys.
00:00:17.180 And the thing is, is that I remember growing up years ago
00:00:20.140 and I didn't know there was a, I think she was a lady and her daughter.
00:00:27.320 Or it could have been a man so many years ago.
00:00:30.020 But she'd had the operation and she'd changed.
00:00:33.300 I never knew.
00:00:34.760 As far as I'm concerned, that was just, I think it was her dad and she was a woman before.
00:00:39.420 But whatever she had transgendered into, whether it's a daughter or a man,
00:00:42.520 but it wasn't like, oh yes, you know, I'm now a man and I need these rights
00:00:46.920 and I need those rights and I need this.
00:00:48.940 No, it was just, she just got on with her life.
00:00:52.020 She didn't ask anything of anybody.
00:00:53.640 She didn't try and ram her sexuality or her gender down people's throats. 1.00
00:01:00.480 As far as I'm concerned, if that's what you want to go and do, go and do it.
00:01:03.740 But don't tell me who I am.
00:01:04.800 I don't make it affect my life.
00:01:06.420 And don't try and influence children, society and everybody else with it.
00:01:11.000 That's who you want to be.
00:01:12.220 But I'm the same with everybody. 0.85
00:01:13.420 Whether you're gay, my best friend's gay. 0.98
00:01:15.660 He's gay. 0.99
00:01:16.160 That's his business. 0.99
00:01:17.620 But he's not going to try and ram it down my throat or anything like that.
00:01:21.700 That's down to him.
00:01:22.920 You're allowed to believe whatever you want to believe.
00:01:24.880 Whether some people think it's absurd or not.
00:01:27.360 You're not allowed to force other people to believe and accept that.
00:01:31.160 Right?
00:01:31.660 This goes for absolutely everything.
00:01:33.880 It goes way beyond this issue.
00:01:35.220 This is our understanding of religious beliefs, political beliefs, social beliefs, cultural beliefs.
00:01:39.740 Everyone is allowed to believe what they want.
00:01:43.120 There's billions of people in the world.
00:01:44.900 We don't all share the same belief systems.
00:01:48.160 But if I were to come and now try to force all the things that I believe on someone else.
00:01:54.260 I can believe that this table is circular and yellow.
00:01:57.980 I have a right to believe that.
00:01:59.520 I don't have a right to try to force everyone else in this room and everyone else in the world to believe and accept and say that this table is circular and yellow when they can see it's rectangular and black.
00:02:11.940 Right?
00:02:12.480 So I have a right to believe that.
00:02:14.300 I can believe whatever I want. 0.67
00:02:16.020 I can believe that I'm a goat. 0.96
00:02:17.220 I can believe I'm a chicken.
00:02:18.060 I can walk around on all fours and eat out of a dog bowl if I want.
00:02:20.900 I can do that.
00:02:21.640 I have the right to do that.
00:02:23.200 I can't force everyone else to.
00:02:25.580 Someone might be super polite and, you know, pet me and treat me like a dog or a goat or whatever, you know.
00:02:31.400 Right?
00:02:32.060 If they want to.
00:02:33.400 But I can't force people to.
00:02:35.320 Right?
00:02:35.460 If someone is like, no, that's a man walking around pretending to be a goat.
00:02:39.380 That's not a goat. 0.97
00:02:40.360 Right?
00:02:40.600 And that could hurt my feelings if I genuinely believe I'm a goat.
00:02:43.380 But if this ever happens, by the way, please, like, get me some help.
00:02:47.120 But just using these examples.
00:02:48.900 But, yeah, you can believe whatever you like.
00:02:51.440 But the problem with this issue and why it's become such a contentious issue is because it's gone far beyond people just living their lives and doing what they want to do.
00:03:00.720 It's got into an ideological movement where they are now trying to force people to believe and comply with it.
00:03:08.460 Oftentimes at the threat of punishment.
00:03:10.140 Someone said that, why are they not answering that question?
00:03:12.480 Someone said because they'll get fired. 0.75
00:03:14.080 Right?
00:03:14.560 That's coercion. 0.72
00:03:15.700 Right?
00:03:15.940 If you are not allowed to say something that is factually correct and true because you're worried about losing your job, you're not in a good place in society.
00:03:23.160 That actually happened recently.
00:03:24.400 And if you follow the news, the Irish teacher, I think he's Catholic, and he refused to refer to one of his students as they and actually lost his job.
00:03:34.380 And then because he was so up in arms about it, understandably, he went back to his job, his place of work, the school he's worked in for the past however many years and tried to reenter the school.
00:03:44.560 You got arrested.
00:03:45.560 Yeah.
00:03:45.780 It's a real thing.
00:03:46.440 In Canada, it's illegal to so-called misgender somebody.
00:03:49.520 But they didn't care about his religion over that, do they?
00:03:51.760 They didn't put, you know, the fact that he's Catholic and he has strong beliefs.
00:03:55.160 That actually came underneath someone wanting to be called they.
00:03:59.100 Yeah.
00:03:59.580 But is that not, you're not considering that other person's feelings?
00:04:03.340 I don't care about that person.
00:04:04.120 Their feelings don't matter.
00:04:06.380 Their feelings don't matter.
00:04:07.240 You're saying that they shouldn't impose their beliefs on you, but refusing to call someone that what they identify as, you don't remember, he's a Catholic.
00:04:16.300 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I identify as jacked, handsome, and wonderful and successful.
00:04:26.420 Those are my preferred adjectives, right?
00:04:28.800 You will hurt my feelings if you don't refer to me as jacked, handsome, intelligent, charming.
00:04:36.300 And so I don't have, you have a right to freedom of speech.
00:04:39.640 I don't have a right to control your language.
00:04:42.880 That's not how it works.
00:04:44.080 There's no right to not have your feelings hurt.
00:04:46.160 There's no right to control other people's language.
00:04:48.280 The right is on the other side.
00:04:49.860 So, yes, people should be polite and kind and civil within reason.
00:04:54.540 But actually, if you are now trying to control someone else's language and force them to call you something, especially something that you are not, you don't have a right to do that at all.
00:05:02.480 At all.
00:05:03.000 That's not a right.
00:05:03.680 If I turn around, I said to you, from today, I'm going to be a virgin.
00:05:09.620 Right?
00:05:10.260 Yeah.
00:05:10.540 There are some of those.
00:05:12.640 The born again.
00:05:13.480 I'm going to be a virgin now.
00:05:15.060 And everybody has to identify me as a virgin.
00:05:17.940 Don't worry about the three grandchildren and my 36-year-old son.
00:05:21.180 I am going to be a virgin.
00:05:22.440 And I'm not going to, and anybody else who says to me that I'm not a virgin, I'm going to sue them.
00:05:27.500 I'm going to go to the newspapers and I'm going to make, I'm going to be up in arms because I am now identifying as a virgin.
00:05:34.540 And I said to you, you have to see me as a virgin.
00:05:37.660 Would you feel happy about that?
00:05:39.260 I think we keep creating examples that are not very relative to this conversation.
00:05:45.100 Obviously, being a virgin, that is a very objective thing.
00:05:48.120 Someone identifying as a man or woman, we've not been able to identify, we've not been able to explain what a man and a woman is.
00:05:56.080 We have.
00:05:56.200 If there was.
00:05:58.000 Everyone else has.
00:05:59.520 Well, you guys have because you have one way of thinking and you've decided that's what you want.
00:06:04.320 Can I ask a question?
00:06:05.100 Can I ask you a question?
00:06:05.880 Yeah.
00:06:06.020 Honestly, when did you start believing what you're saying now?
00:06:09.620 When I started listening to people.
00:06:11.780 Because it's not about me.
00:06:13.100 No, no, no.
00:06:13.480 Honestly, when, when, like when specifically did you start believing this?
00:06:15.940 I would say, I, to be fair, I've always grown up with that belief of let people be whatever they want to believe.
00:06:22.060 And let me explain.
00:06:23.140 Okay.
00:06:23.420 I'm a minority, right?
00:06:25.160 Like being black in the UK, especially, I know how hard it is when the majority think that you are in the wrong.
00:06:33.120 And maybe that is that compassion that I have for them because we are the majority.
00:06:37.200 We have the privilege because we were born as our gender.
00:06:40.780 So we have the privilege to say, no, that's how you feel.
00:06:43.480 Everyone was born as their gender. 0.99
00:06:44.960 No, no.
00:06:46.160 The gender that we identify as.
00:06:48.460 But my point is that we are the privileged to be able to say that that is our identity.
00:06:55.040 However, some people don't have that.
00:06:57.260 And I feel like being a minority and knowing what it feels like for somebody to be like, no, you're less than or no, that's the way it should be. 0.97
00:07:06.780 No, I have a problem with that because, well, no, if I was on the other foot and I was born as a, as a man and I want to identify as a woman, I would be pissed off if somebody told me that I can't be what I want to be.
00:07:17.980 Nobody's saying that.
00:07:18.780 It doesn't affect you.
00:07:19.860 Nobody's saying that.
00:07:20.440 But you are because if I go in this.
00:07:22.260 I'm not saying, I'm saying you are not object, you are objectively not that thing.
00:07:25.860 If you, if you were sitting here telling me that you are white, right? 0.61
00:07:29.540 I'll be like, you're, you're not white. 1.00
00:07:32.140 You can say that you are, you can feel like it.
00:07:35.100 You can act like it, whatever that means.
00:07:36.780 You could even go and bleach your skin.
00:07:38.080 You could, you could do whatever you like.
00:07:39.480 You have the right to do that.
00:07:40.720 You're an adult.
00:07:41.400 You have the right to do whatever you want.
00:07:42.660 You can have cosmetic procedures.
00:07:44.020 You can do what you like, but you are not, you're not white. 1.00
00:07:47.740 Objectively, you're, you're not like that.
00:07:50.760 That's the thing, you know, identify this identifying thing.
00:07:53.960 It opens up an entire Pandora's box of anything.
00:07:58.320 Cause, cause you can, you can identify as, as anything.
00:08:01.040 Right.
00:08:01.440 And as I said, I support someone's right to live their life as they want to.
00:08:05.220 I'm not going to treat, I know more transgender, just cause I know so many people period.
00:08:08.880 I know more trans.
00:08:09.840 Most people don't know any transgender people.
00:08:11.260 I know multiple transgender people.
00:08:12.780 I know so many people.
00:08:13.200 Right.
00:08:13.840 Um, and I will treat any human being with respect and dignity and civility.
00:08:20.220 What I will not do is distort the truth and lie to make someone feel happy.
00:08:29.160 And you don't, and you don't need to do that.
00:08:31.000 Right.
00:08:31.300 You can, you can, you can, you can respect people and be kind and be honest and also protect
00:08:35.580 the truth.
00:08:35.980 But is it the truth though?
00:08:38.200 That's what I'm trying to say.
00:08:39.280 Because how do you, we humans are so complex, but I agree with you, but it's not the truth.
00:08:46.160 No, no, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not hypocritical.
00:08:52.440 The reason I ask why you, I I'm assuming you only started believing what you're saying quite
00:08:56.400 recently.
00:08:57.600 I personally, I've never read, I don't know when I started believing it.
00:09:00.980 I think I've always just grown up with, like I said, be whatever.
00:09:04.160 As long as you're not hurting anybody.
00:09:06.140 When you were 15.
00:09:07.680 Okay.
00:09:08.280 I don't think I ever thought about it.
00:09:09.940 Okay.
00:09:10.200 I guess the conversation is coming up a lot more.
00:09:12.720 Of course.
00:09:12.920 And I decided I'm not going to tell someone how they feel.
00:09:16.240 I'm not going to do that because what, who am I to tell you that you're not a woman? 1.00
00:09:20.780 Wait, the same person you are to say that this table is not circular in yellow.
00:09:26.340 That's, that's objective.
00:09:27.360 We humans can't be objective in every, in everything that we do.
00:09:31.220 We can't be objective.
00:09:32.300 We're too complex.
00:09:33.420 Can I just say, right, you was bringing up about being black and how you're used to
00:09:37.960 people, you know, you're raised being black and being down children. 0.88
00:09:40.540 So you understand how they feel. 0.80
00:09:43.020 You didn't choose to be black. 0.98
00:09:44.780 That's the way you are. 0.99
00:09:46.460 They're choosing to change their sex. 0.97
00:09:49.120 That's not what they believe though.
00:09:50.860 I don't care what they believe.
00:09:51.740 I can believe that I'm white.
00:09:55.880 The self identity thing does not work.
00:09:58.500 It doesn't work.
00:09:58.980 There's so many different things.
00:10:01.080 Oh, and then you can turn around and say that.
00:10:02.420 I can say that I'm white.
00:10:03.480 I'm speaking about this.
00:10:04.280 What am I going to get called coconut?
00:10:05.500 But nothing's going to change.
00:10:06.820 What about height?
00:10:08.860 I mean, some, some, some men are, you know, five foot four and they'd much rather be six
00:10:12.440 foot four.
00:10:13.140 Can a man identify as six foot four?
00:10:15.020 He could genuinely feel, he could be very confident.
00:10:17.460 And I feel like I'm in the wrong body.
00:10:19.600 I I'm six foot four, but you are objectively not six foot four.
00:10:23.960 You can feel like that.
00:10:25.020 Judged by like the way you look, we can actually like measure you.
00:10:29.180 You don't look six foot four.
00:10:30.700 But you can, we can take a cell from any part of a woman's body and look at it under a microscope 1.00
00:10:39.200 and you can see X, X chromosome, that's a woman. 1.00
00:10:42.280 Absolutely.
00:10:43.520 But that gender woman, that gender person don't look like a woman. 1.00
00:10:47.240 Are you, are you questioning, are you questioning that it's not chromosome?
00:10:52.420 No, no, no.
00:10:52.800 I'm not saying that it's, I just think that's a factor of, as a woman.
00:10:57.840 I think some people, yeah, you can be a man.
00:10:59.960 You can have the X, X chromosome.
00:11:01.760 And guess what?
00:11:02.660 You could grow up being more masculine than anyone.
00:11:05.500 But that doesn't make you, doesn't make you a man.
00:11:07.960 You can be a masculine woman. 0.99
00:11:09.340 You don't want to be a woman. 1.00
00:11:11.100 Just because you have your X, Y chromosome, I don't want to be, I don't want to be broke,
00:11:15.020 but sometimes I am.
00:11:17.380 Hey, hey, repeat.
00:11:20.140 What could create you that way?
00:11:22.620 Just because you didn't have the X, Y chromosome, just like, just because you can't reproduce,
00:11:27.320 doesn't, like, it doesn't.
00:11:28.720 Okay, can I ask a question?
00:11:31.120 Why would it be important to that person for me to believe and so-called affirm
00:11:37.400 their delusion?
00:11:39.500 Validation.
00:11:39.980 Their delusion.
00:11:40.880 Because you keep calling it a delusion.
00:11:43.060 It is.
00:11:43.360 That's the problem.
00:11:44.260 If I came in here and I-
00:11:45.100 If you actually change the way you talk about it-
00:11:46.880 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:11:47.360 Look, let's be real.
00:11:49.000 If I said that I was six foot five, right?
00:11:51.620 That's obviously a nice sound book.
00:11:52.860 No, if I said I am six foot five-
00:11:54.940 I am.
00:11:55.440 Okay, and I insist on it, and I get triggered, I get mad.
00:11:59.340 I'm trying to get everyone to say I am six foot five, right?
00:12:04.240 Am I, is that a delusion?
00:12:05.900 Yeah.
00:12:07.440 Yeah, but that can measure-
00:12:09.360 Is that me being reasonable?
00:12:10.820 Am I being the reasonable one by trying to force everyone to accommodate that?
00:12:14.440 Is that me being reasonable?
00:12:16.040 Are they being unreasonable by saying, no, you're not six foot five?
00:12:18.900 No, but you can measure that.
00:12:20.600 You can tell very easily if someone is male or female with 100% accuracy.
00:12:25.380 If I walked in here and said, I identify as, you're 26, right?
00:12:29.640 I identify as being 26.
00:12:33.540 That, like, you can't measure, but I could just go around and tell everyone-
00:12:37.140 And by the way, that's much more believable than you saying you're a man.
00:12:40.360 Yeah, but you know how long you live.
00:12:41.100 By the same, by the same, by the same argument-
00:12:44.560 Yeah, but your birth certificate will say whether you're male or female.
00:12:48.560 But, I don't know.
00:12:49.940 So I could identify and say, look, you know, I feel more that I'm your age.
00:12:56.140 I'm 26.
00:12:57.040 My brain could be living in the past of I'm 26.
00:13:01.020 It's registered on my birth certificate, just the same as being a female is.
00:13:05.540 And by the way, there is such a thing as, you know, biological age in terms of your health and other factors.
00:13:11.100 So you can be 40 years old, but sort of have a biological age of 32, say, if you're in very good shape and so on.
00:13:19.340 So, again, we could argue that.
00:13:21.160 Can I just make a point?
00:13:21.940 I was just banned on TikTok.
00:13:24.640 And we are demonetized on a daily basis on this platform.
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