Candace Owens Debates Feminists PART TWO ｜ Pearl Reacts
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1 hour and 31 minutes
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173.51901
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142
Summary
A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage for men and why it s a terrible deal for them. Women are so willing to leave marriages because they are not happy that they are willing to sacrifice their happiness for the sake of marriage.
Transcript
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So there's this clip going viral online of a dozen women being asked the following question.
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Young men have fallen faster than any demographic in America.
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Like, we don't need men the way that they used to.
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A fascinating debate has broken out about the value of marriage.
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You've kind of got the trad con versus red pill thing.
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This men's rights crowd that sometimes just goes too far the other way.
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You need to stop acting like grown boys and infants and actually become men.
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It's a machine designed to extract resources from you.
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Now many of the red-pilled have taken the position that it's bad for men to get married.
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One of the most controversial faces in all of the internet.
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She goes on to say that marriage is a terrible deal for men.
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Because if me and you were in a business contract, you would never sign a contract where I am paid to leave.
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74% or something of divorces are initiated by women.
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Men have everything to lose, primarily their own children.
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Men get killed by the courts and by divorce laws.
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I had no idea that courts of family law were courts of equity, not courts of law.
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Because in family court, you don't need evidence to accuse someone of abuse.
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It's when you guys say get married young, a lot of these men don't know what they're signing up for.
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And you're not going to be there when their entire life falls apart.
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I didn't meet my son until he was 15 months old.
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You're literally just thrown out onto the street.
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We absolutely reinforce bad behavior from women.
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And then daughters grow up without their fathers.
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Every problem in society comes from single mother homes.
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A lot of women will just chase this negative rabbit hole of happiness, endless happiness.
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Feminism's biggest failure is it lies to women.
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We tell women to date as many guys as possible.
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You are allowed to end a relationship with a really great boyfriend.
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I don't think there's anything else in life that we actually ever go into preparing to fail.
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Like if you have the mentality of this is going to go wrong and be pessimistic, naturally the outcome is going to be that it's going to fail anyway.
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Like women are so willing to leave marriages because they're not happy.
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And the problem is we have a modern society where it's me, me, me, my feelings.
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Leave when I feel like it instead of doing what's best for the kids.
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This myth that we live in an age of male privilege, where's my male privilege?
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Why doesn't our society care about men's rights?
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I have seen so many men on the brink of suicide and they didn't do anything wrong.
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How are you equal if the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country?
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The men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure.
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The so-called deaths of despair from suicide, overdose, or alcohol, three times higher among men than among women.
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Everybody knows this is a huge problem, but nobody wants to admit it.
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Every single woman at the table said they wanted a man to get...
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Everything is really set up against you to fail as a man.
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If men make less than women, women don't want to marry them.
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So you know who wants more economically and emotionally viable men?
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I don't want to be an independent woman anymore.
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I don't want to be a strong, independent woman.
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She's a provocateur, she says stupid stuff, but Pearl is right about this.
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It's already happening, it's just not out in the open yet.
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Now it's just hookup culture is going to be our fairytale ending because men don't want
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The future, if everybody follows their path, is there is no future.
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We go into population decline and our economy goes into decline.
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This is an existential crisis failing young men.
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What up guys, welcome to the Audacity Network and welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily.
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If you guys want, feel free to donate to that trailer.
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It's the Divorce Documentary and the GoFundMe link in the bio.
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We're at $31,000, almost $32,000 raised for it.
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Once we get to around $100,000, we can hire a full production team and get the movie done.
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I've gone through eight TikToks, either three or four Instagrams.
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And I was demonetized on YouTube, all because I tried to tell the truth about the divorce issue.
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But they do not, feminists do not want the truth about marriage getting out.
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So today we are reacting to part two of the Candace Owens interview, or sorry, debate on Jubilee.
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However, she's just as feminist as any woman is.
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You know, I hate to say it because I guess on paper, like every woman is a feminist to some degree
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There's no such thing as a traditional woman in 2025.
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And anybody that's trying to sell themselves as that or market it differently is lying to you and trying to sell you something.
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I had this issue when I went on Michael Knowles' show.
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So as you guys know, I went on the Michael Knowles show and I had a debate with him.
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That was like, I don't know why I was so nervous when I did that debate.
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I don't like, I never know when I'm going to be ambushed.
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But I just, the same as Candace Owens, I don't think they're very honest about what they're doing.
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Feminism is a strategy because women did not want to be saddled down with betas.
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They don't want to have children with beta men.
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For most of history, 10, 20% of men reproduced.
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Women are fighting tooth and nail to get rid of monogamy.
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You know, the men said, don't you want a guy to love you and treat you right?
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You know, your dad's going to pick out a guy for you.
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And the women said, no, I want to sell my butthole on OnlyFans.
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Women want to hook up with hot men that are out of their league.
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Women want to prolong marriage as long as possible.
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In order to stick the landing with the best guy they possibly can.
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Women want to hook up with the hot guys and not have the responsibility of getting on his program.
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That's why women worship women like Kim Kardashian.
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Because Kim Kardashian has the ultimate freedom.
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She gets to do whatever she wants, when she wants.
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And she keeps getting commitment to some degree from high level men.
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So, you know, my question is, to all the women that say they're special and different.
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You know, why didn't you marry your high school sweetheart?
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And they say, why don't you tell men to, like, get married?
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And the reason I don't say that, it's not because, you know, I'm against marriage necessarily.
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I personally think it's out of place for me or any YouTuber to tell you what to do with your life.
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And who am I to tell you to put down your rotational women?
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Maybe marriage isn't even on the table for you.
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But it's mostly because I've done interviews and I get emails like this.
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Don't show my screen or anything because I want to keep this guy's private.
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So, this guy, he sent me his marriage story and he said, Pearl, I am unique in that I asked God to show me who my wife was.
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I met her at a church and when asked for confirmation from my pastor, I was told to leave it at the altar.
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I was eventually kicked out of the church and this was before social media.
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She eventually called me and we were married 18 days later.
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I'm leaving out details to save time, but we were married for five years.
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She left and I was served with an order of protection.
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So, I'm part of the 20% of men who file, but in response to her legal actions and finding prayers in her journals, claiming she would eventually be with another man.
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My attorney worked for free for 11 years, defending me against all of her nonsense, but eventually, I no longer had it in me to fight and I gave her what she wanted, me completely removed from her life and my children's life.
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I was basically homeless, living with a random man I met on Craigslist when God moved me to Nebraska and rebuilt my life far better than it ever was.
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I stumbled upon your content years ago and it was confirmed that I make the right decision.
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For that, I want to thank you, but I also want to point out that you can vet and pick a church woman, but it doesn't matter.
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I don't know why God put me with her knowing what was going to happen.
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It's a question I think about every day, but I do know if it wasn't for God, I wouldn't have gotten the healing.
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I needed to crawl into the bottle, into a bottle and never look back.
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I think about Joseph being sold into slavery and then eventually going to prison before being put in charge of the known world.
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He went nearly 20 years and never saw his family again.
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And he said that he had all these factors that he looked for in a woman under like 30, had no debt, stable job, married parents.
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And the truth is, you don't know who someone is until you've seen them with power.
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And I've seen women better than me, like women that I would consider in all intents and purposes, just better people than me.
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You know, I would say they're probably nicer, more helpful, more, you know, like where I just said they're more feminine.
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And the next thing I, time I see them, they're telling me they were abused.
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Look, I'm not saying to blame God or don't blame God.
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I'm just saying that frame is going to be far more helpful.
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Learning to not be afraid of women is going to be a lot more helpful than finding a good woman.
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So now we're going to react to Candace's claim.
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Candace Owens versus one conservative versus 20 feminists.
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So Candace Owens, she markets herself as special, different, but like none of these women, very few marry before 30, right?
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And usually if they do marry young, they delay the kids.
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And if they do have kids, they're still like, you know, Brett Cooper's having a kid, but she just accepted Fox and friends.
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And they keep saying, well, I get to work from home and be an influencer.
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Well, as an influencer, you still like, you're not supposed to have leverage.
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Like you can leverage your audience against your husband.
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You can, um, get potential suitors through your social media.
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You draw attention away from your husband, you know, and I'm not saying that's right or wrong.
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I don't care, but it's not what they're selling.
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And I think women, especially, they do this for long enough and we, we just kind of start to believe our own bullshit.
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Um, and that's what I see with Candace is, you know, she's kind of gotten to market herself like this for so long.
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Um, she, I, I actually think the, the veil, the mask is kind of coming off because she keeps getting called out and cooked over this.
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Oh, but she also pushed off marriage in order to get a very attractive husband, right?
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She said no to her high school, sweetheart, no to her college, sweetheart, no to whoever the hell she dated in her 20s.
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And she said, I will not settle until I get a Chad worth a bajillion dollars.
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But we're not going to like, we got to call this for what it is.
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So can I explain to you why I believe we live in a patriarchy and why I believe we live in a society is preferential to men?
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So I'm going to use the example of male violence.
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There's a lot of places I can look, but we're going to talk about that.
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One in four women are the victims of domestic violence.
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98% of perpetrators of rape and sexual assault are men.
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95% of perpetrators of domestic violence are men.
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And actually, in regards to human trafficking, 70% of human trafficking victims are women.
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So we're seeing a very clear issue of men being violent towards women.
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And then when we look at the way that our government handles that, one out of three rapes go reported.
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And then out of the ones that go reported, 7% end in jail time.
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So if we're looking at that and we're looking at the fact that our government doesn't really get that worried about male violence.
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Well, so what I would say is, going back to the biological differences, men are naturally inclined more towards aggression than women are.
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Men are naturally more inclined towards aggression than women.
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Can you imagine if women had the strength of men?
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They have murdered an eighth of the world population.
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You know the most dangerous place you could be?
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Even if you looked at, like I said, male on male crime.
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You would see that there are more instances of men killing other men than there are instances of women killing other women.
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And that, I think, actually speaks to our biological differences, which is actually at the root of everything that I believe about feminism being a lie.
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It's because they're trying to program people to believe.
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Can you imagine if women could kill other women with their hands?
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Because most murder, I've looked into this, most murders are done, they're like fights gone wrong.
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So it's usually not like an intentional murder, but a guy hits the guy, the guy in the head too hard and killed.
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Now, I don't think that pointing to the fact that men are more aggressive than women, which is a point that you and I 1,000% agree on, whether or not that manifests in the very wrong way of men harming other men, which I think they do more probably than they are beating women, men on male on male violence.
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That manifestation doesn't change the fact that men and women are just biologically hardwired different.
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I don't think it has anything to do with the fact of power dynamics in this country, because to the contrary, if you look at prison rates and talking about how disparities don't mean anything, the majority of overwhelmed people that are in prison are male, right?
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Because they don't send women to jail for crimes.
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You know, an example of this, I can't remember what men get, like four times the sentencing women do.
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And that doesn't include like women that do petty shoplifting and they just don't pursue it.
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You know, there is a woman that literally murdered her mother with her boyfriend and the boyfriend's in jail for life.
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And she got like five, 10 years and women can't kill with their hands.
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So when it manifests on in a good way, that male aggression, you know, is the reason why we have men defend.
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Someone's mad because I rated Candace Owens a six.
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It's not because I have my disagreements with Candace.
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It's just, look, if I had to, if I was doing casting, maybe when she was younger, she was a six, but she's like in her mid thirties.
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I guess in America, you could say she would be in the top maybe 30 or 40 percent, but the equivalent of that is, you know, just because the league's getting worse doesn't make you hotter, just makes the league worse.
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So just because American women are fat, it doesn't make your rating higher.
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You know, and you can see this because she's in conservative media.
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Look, and if we were hot enough to be in Playboy, we'd all be in Playboy.
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You know, it's just it's always very convenient.
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And I thought about this because I used to think.
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Because I've just I've never been a super like a dressing really provocatively person.
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And then I thought about it and I'm like, well.
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Like, it's very convenient for a mid to be modest because we don't get as much out of being immodest.
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But a hot girl, if she doesn't show her knockers, like, you know, the stuff she's going to miss out on.
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I was like, well, I'm not going on these yachts in Miami.
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And I like to think I like to think I wouldn't.
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And the equivalent of this is the equivalent of this is the men that say they don't cheat.
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And every man that like I've heard say, oh, I don't cheat.
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Give people hotness points because I like them or don't like them.
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You don't get a point in how hot you are for being married.
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A beauty points is if you were on a on a web, how many swipe rights would you get on a dating app?
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Based on your face and your body, how many men would say would versus wouldn't?
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And us, you know, men that are willing to go to war and die for our nation.
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So aggression being an aspect of masculinity has nothing to do with the conversation of whether or not feminism is harming women today.
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What I want you to connect it to is, I guess, power, because what I'm talking about when I say that we're existing under a matriarchy is that I believe that the social pressures politically and socially that are coming.
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And even within our music, if we talk about Hollywood, it's very much has become.
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Like just because like who was on the top music charts of women have paid maternity leave.
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That's not like how are the how are things panning out on the family courts?
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Why are abusive men having access to their children?
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So that gap, obviously, I'm sure you've recognized the gender gap has been debunked so many times.
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Well, you could say, yeah, that most women will go into jobs where they're making less.
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But then it does answer the question of why do we not value women's labor?
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They're not getting paid as much because they don't do as much work.
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It's just a reality that if you are going to be a person that aspires to become a brain surgeon,
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you are going to make more money than a person that aspires to do something that's, you know, like, in the household.
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Why does our country not persecute men then who are rapists?
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Well, the majority of people who are in prison are men.
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You mean that we don't prosecute men that are rapists?
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I don't know what that has to do with the question of whether or not we're living in a matriarchy or a patriarchy.
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If you're saying that they only like to arrest men.
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That's not true because the Duluth model is based on the fact that men are automatically seen in a position of power.
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But even some of the women that made the Duluth model, which the whole justice system is based off.
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But Candace, I'm giving you answers here, which the whole justice system is based off of.
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Even the people that, like, one of the people that made it said that it gave preferential treatment to women.
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And in most abusive cases, they're beating each other.
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When they kill someone, but they are, our government is awarding men for raping women.
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You have a very low likelihood of actually going to jail as a man.
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How many men are actually going to jail for rape?
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I actually agree with you that in terms of sex crimes, and I don't know how you're peeling out women because I.
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If women, if women are so afraid of being raped, then why are they going out alone at night to party?
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If women are so afraid of men, why are women traveling alone across countries?
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I would even, and again, this has nothing to do with our argument today, but I would even say that people are not being prosecuted hard enough when we're dealing with crimes against children, period.
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Because even children lie about that stuff, too, but I can't talk about that.
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I love your show, but sometimes it makes me so bad.
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Candace Owens is the rule, but she never says the conversation is about the rule and not, is the conversation is about the rule, not the exception, average situation.
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When women get power and money, when women have the opportunity to, we will always pick ourselves above our family.
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She's not leaving the public eye when she has her family.
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Did she, yeah, did she have kids with her college sweetheart?
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Like, no, she had to hold out and get that conservative money.
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I don't even, I'm not even gonna, like, fault her for it.
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Like, if you were Candace Owens and you had the opportunity to marry into a ton of money with an attractive British guy, I mean, who could blame her?
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And the rule is women will pick themselves over their money and they use their kids and their husband to build their brand.
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So, it's not like she's just debating conservative politics.
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She's using her husband and her kids to build her family and virtue signal, basically saying, I'm a good person.
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Times not being prosecuted in this country is a whole other conversation.
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But I think that it's wrong to say that it's somehow attached to being a woman when you know there are so many children that are going through the exact same thing.
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I mean, if men are child predators, then why are so many women getting arrested for sleeping with students?
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But I don't think it has anything to do with conversation that we're having right now.
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I'm going to add five more minutes to this claim.
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So, your claim is, just to be clear, that we live in a matriarchy, right?
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So, I think even you would agree that on a global level, that's obviously ridiculous when there are countries where people literally are on or killed for, like, Instagram posts.
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But even if we're talking about just the U.S., right, we don't have paid maternity leave.
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So, single mother, domineering mother, working mother, I'm sure.
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Abortion is illegal in over a dozen different states.
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And as someone earlier was mentioning, women are overwhelmingly the victims of sexual violence and domestic abuse.
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That doesn't seem like a very well-designed matriarchy where women are victims or, you know, lacking power in so many different realms of society on, like, a structural level.
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I just do not think that women are lacking power on a structural level because they can't, which they can, by the way, abort their children.
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Okay, if you can't drive five hours to get an abortion, then you don't really want it.
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Look at, ladies, if you want to kill your kids so bad, there are, you have the opportunity, go take it.
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I am going to dispute that having a child is somehow something that restricts women in any capacity, like you're saying that.
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What about the ability to decide what you do with your own body?
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I don't believe that it's, I don't believe that murder is something that you should be allowed to decide.
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That's actually what you're doing to somebody else's body.
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So that, so the argument that, well, women will only be free if they're able.
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My argument would be, it's not that hard to not get pregnant.
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If you're so worried about being graped, get on birth control.
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Able to, you know, kill off their own offspring to me is really, that's a really, really off colored.
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Well, I guess if you frame it that way, everyone kind of has to agree with you.
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But when we're talking about abortion, when 99% take place in the first few weeks, when, you know, there's no thalamus, there's no cortex, there's no capacity for consciousness.
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You and Myron are way better than this, than her.
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It's because I've done, once you interview a ton of people, and Myron's like, um, he's done way more than me.
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It sounds like Adam was raised by a single mom and pursued AA at his local college.
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In the fetus that's developing, saying that that fetus that has no capacity to be conscious or wear anything else, should have the same rights, same bodily autonomy as a woman.
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There, look, women are going to kill their kids.
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Um, for me personally, it just is not that hard to not get pregnant.
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I don't, I've had boyfriends before, you know, I just don't think it's that difficult to not get pregnant.
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You're actually making a point that people who are, you know, born with tremendous disabilities should just be killed because of cognitive functions.
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The best argument, which again, this is sidetracked.
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You're saying that I say everyone should kill people with disabilities.
00:33:22.600
Well, I'm saying that if you're saying, no, I am saying that if you're saying that it's cognitive ability and at what stage you think.
00:33:27.240
The ability to be conscious and just, just so we're clear, disabled people are conscious.
00:33:31.860
Um, so the best argument that it is a life is the fact that you have to kill it.
00:33:38.620
There's living human cells in it, but it's not conscious.
00:33:42.620
If you have to go into your body and murder it, then it's.
00:33:44.980
You're disputing that there's living human cells in a field.
00:33:46.860
Again, so we can, we can just tack that off because we just have a fundamental disagreement on whether you're not a child is a life.
00:33:52.240
Sure, then we can talk about paid maternity leave.
00:33:58.840
Men are dying in the middle of Alaska on crab fishing boats.
00:34:05.260
Candace, I'm, I could, they should have had me on this.
00:34:20.660
And we're complaining because women don't get maternity leave.
00:34:40.820
I got to look at when it comes to changing hearts and minds of women on that topic, I think that's a lost cause.
00:35:00.040
I wish you guys would stop murdering your kids, but I, do you think I can stop you?
00:35:06.500
I mean, I don't even think Jesus could stop these women from murdering their children.
00:35:14.200
A lot about whether you have to be a mother, you have to work.
00:35:16.700
A lot of women have to pick one or the other, because in many cases, if you want to have a child.
00:35:31.600
But, you know, let's just call this what it is.
00:35:35.380
So getting a job after that might be super difficult.
00:35:37.480
And then secondly, even in the process of having that child, being pregnant, especially in the third trimester, and then raising the child where the, you know, the vast majority of the burden typically is on the mother.
00:35:46.920
The workplace and our system of our economy is not tailored to make that easy for them.
00:35:56.720
Actually, I'm agreeing with you that this pressure that you're describing exists for women.
00:36:00.300
And I'm saying that it exists for women because of the feminists that came before who argued for women to enter the workplace.
00:36:05.880
So what you're saying is the solution didn't work and it actually produced more problems.
00:36:10.800
And now we have more problems and we need more governance to be able to tackle these problems.
00:36:20.980
Look at you have the right to not get pregnant like the men.
00:36:28.320
I would say, look, women have the right to not get pregnant, just like men do.
00:36:34.900
You can get on birth control and not get pregnant.
00:36:38.380
I'm not going to go back and forth with you about my opinions on it because it is legal.
00:36:42.420
So if you make a choice to have a child, which you don't have to make, that is the trade-off that comes with it.
00:36:53.840
Um, there are men that are on crab fishing boats in Alaska that would love to be home with their kids, but they can't.
00:37:01.840
Um, and those are men that risk their lives where one guy in the boat dies every, like, every ship.
00:37:19.220
Any system that's forcing women to make certain decisions, I just wouldn't call that feminism to begin with.
00:37:24.440
Women should have the option to choose, do I want to be a stay-at-home mom?
00:37:30.280
But you are also making an argument that if you are a woman who does run a business and does have employees,
00:37:34.800
that they should be forced to pay that maternity leave.
00:37:41.160
Yeah, there's certain things the government does to regulate our economy to ensure equality and justice and better outcomes.
00:37:45.720
Okay, but just so you know, when you do that, like, to a small business owner.
00:37:50.640
So what you, what you are arguing for is supporting big corporations and taking up the little guys because.
00:37:55.780
I'm arguing for supporting people that want to be mothers and also work at the same time.
00:37:59.400
The mechanism we do that with, it can be subsidies, taxes.
00:38:01.620
You guys can't just keep this, you can't say that we can't have the economic, we can't get down to the economics of what it actually implies, right?
00:38:07.940
I have an economics degree and I can tell you if there's a small business that.
00:38:17.420
Oh, what are they teaching these same man, but that's a woman in schools.
00:38:32.060
The government might probably subsidize them and help cover the costs.
00:38:34.660
Like I first saw you getting the business on trigonometry right after they tongue blasted.
00:38:44.040
Yeah, trigonometry is on my dead to me list in the most respectful way.
00:39:01.820
And maybe one day, maybe one day I'll go through it with you guys.
00:39:07.380
I'll give you, I'll give you my side of things.
00:39:14.040
But you know, then you bring up the pat, I'm like a woman, you just got to move on.
00:39:28.060
So from us, so from us, just to be clear from us.
00:39:30.600
And this is the thing that gets me about all of these debates.
00:39:33.080
The magic solution that everybody has is that we just need to tax the government more.
00:39:36.460
Every other developed country has paid maternity leave.
00:39:38.220
But it's not magic as in like the money is coming from you.
00:39:42.620
So you're sitting here saying, yes, we should be raising taxes.
00:39:46.380
Okay, and this is the entire, this is the entire problem is that the government is already taxing
00:39:51.680
And people are already struggling with what's being taken out of their taxes.
00:39:54.560
We're not taxing capital gains properly or corporate profits properly or high income
00:39:58.540
There's a reason that we should be taxing more here, there.
00:40:03.640
What do you, my, my question would be like, what do you know about taxes?
00:40:07.900
Like, I even, like, I wouldn't even go down that like rabbit hole.
00:40:25.780
These are having to bring in more revenue to help women be mothers.
00:40:28.800
What I'm saying is that you are just creating a cyclical argument.
00:40:31.380
You're basically saying that women want to be able to have it all.
00:40:34.180
Women cannot have it all because the government choice to do what they'd like.
00:40:37.120
Okay, but you're saying women can have it all when they outsource it to babysitters and
00:40:47.300
And women should be, have the choice to have it all.
00:40:50.380
That's a really interesting way of putting like what you're, do you have it all right
00:40:53.200
now where you're working and you're also a mother?
00:41:16.020
Whatever that is, is what I would want other women to have as well, which is the flexibility.
00:41:20.040
So you work a job and also raise kids if they'd like.
00:41:24.180
You guys keep arguing that what people want is more flexibility.
00:41:26.500
So you're acknowledging that right now under with feminism on fire, we are agreeing.
00:41:33.360
Like I'm just kind of using a hyperbolic expression.
00:41:37.180
We are arguing that women need to have more opportunities.
00:41:53.800
The majority of people that are graduating with college degrees are, in fact, women.
00:41:58.060
Men are committing suicide at a higher rate than women.
00:42:01.100
Feminism also would push for like increased awareness of men's mental health.
00:42:11.260
If you go issue by issue and by values, they might not associate with the term feminism
00:42:16.980
The next thing is that you will move the goalposts and then when they begin taxing so that we
00:42:23.400
can account for paid maternity leave for three months, which basically means a small
00:42:26.960
business owner has to not have an employee while having to pay months and months and
00:42:33.780
Small business doesn't have the revenue to cover paid maternity leave.
00:42:36.180
The government would probably subsidize them to make up the cost.
00:42:38.200
No, I actually think that the way things were made more sense, where we had an environment
00:42:42.780
where you could afford to take care of children with just one person bringing in income in
00:42:51.780
When things are going to get way more expensive with these tariffs as well.
00:42:53.900
Like it's not going to be easy to afford anything in the coming years.
00:42:58.160
But I think we need to be realistic about the fact.
00:43:01.920
I would probably prep for that question, but I would have numbers written out about how
00:43:08.260
much kids cost if you take out the expense of things that women's taste is, you know,
00:43:19.840
Um, it's a lot of the costs are just stuff women want, but I don't really care.
00:43:32.260
The entire argument, the first thing was women entering the workforce is going to make
00:43:37.260
That was the best idea is that women having the choice to enter the workforce is better
00:43:45.360
The argument was that women would become, and I'm talking about what the feminists got
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ahead of, and this is why women, women need to be like men.
00:43:50.260
You can debate like this imaginary Twitter feminist, but like right now you're talking
00:43:54.040
I'm not actually debating an imaginary Twitter feminist.
00:43:56.280
I'm speaking to you and I have no idea why you're becoming increasingly more rude when
00:44:00.040
I'm just rebutting your points that you're bringing up.
00:44:04.040
I'm saying that you're creating a cyclical argument where you keep saying that the thing that
00:44:07.220
you just did, that you said was going to be enough.
00:44:09.860
What we actually need is for women to just enter the workforce.
00:44:11.700
Oh, women are in the workforce and actually we have-
00:44:13.400
I'm saying we don't have enough because we don't have-
00:44:16.960
I, you know, I just want to, I would flip this and say, what problem have we not solved
00:44:25.700
You know, women, we have Roombas now, we have dishwashers, we have air fryers, we have access
00:44:40.080
When, like, what, what do we need to get through for it to be enough?
00:44:45.360
Where we can say, okay, ladies, like we're happy now.
00:44:48.420
I'm telling you that you're also not going to have enough because you're going to then
00:44:51.620
get, be complaining when you get that paid maternity leave because you're-
00:45:01.240
Do you think fathers should also be around to help raise children?
00:45:03.240
I think who's going to work if everybody goes home every time a child is born?
00:45:06.480
Not everyone's going to have a kid at the same time.
00:45:14.480
You can definitely live on one income, but there are sacrifices you may have to lose.
00:45:19.680
State, smaller house, no getting your hails done, your hair done, no eating out, and maybe
00:45:26.480
Is it just people want to go to like events and whatever, and I don't, I just don't, you
00:45:34.480
It's just like, you know, Jesus couldn't save the world.
00:45:49.100
My final claim is that feminism has made things easier for men.
00:45:57.780
So this is going to show a hole in Candace's argument.
00:46:12.480
You said that feminism is easier for men or is?
00:46:15.480
It's made things, I think, easier in society for men.
00:46:20.480
That is the dumbest thing she's ever said, ever.
00:46:25.480
Men are, you know, committing suicide at higher rates, but more men have committed, died from
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But you think that feminism has made things better for men?
00:46:43.760
Don't have to commit and they're being offered sex from women for free.
00:46:47.940
So they have to actually effectively do less and be motivated less because feminism has
00:47:00.400
We don't really have set how sex filled the marriages were back then.
00:47:04.400
But before, you know, and this is what I would say, women wanted to be whores.
00:47:11.400
Men, in all honesty, most of them would probably have married their high school sweetheart and
00:47:18.240
then they get crashed out when she goes and gets someone better from college or the city,
00:47:23.900
And I think that that has been a net negative for women on good faith.
00:47:29.900
I just want to say, I think you're approaching this with like the best interest for women.
00:47:34.900
Like you think that is negative for women and harmful.
00:47:36.900
And I think in some aspects we can agree to that.
00:47:40.900
I think that there are some aspects of sex work or only fans or whatnot.
00:47:43.900
Because what Candace is saying is because this is the thing women without like female game.
00:47:51.900
They see sex as a weapon to get what they want.
00:47:56.900
Women that are charming can figure out how to get things, get what they want from men, even if they give them sex.
00:48:07.900
But what she does is she said, like, let's think about the sex before marriage thing.
00:48:16.900
Is marriage this magical thing that's going to make you a nicer, more likable person?
00:48:21.900
So if you have sex before marriage and you're just a nice, likable person, he'll marry you in the long run.
00:48:30.900
If you, you know, you pick someone that's got a chance of monogamy, there's some men that just, they'll never be monogamous.
00:48:36.900
But, you know, women like her have a tendency to see like sex as a weapon to get what they want because they don't have the female charm.
00:48:48.900
Like Bonnie Blue has. Bonnie Blue has no quality.
00:48:56.900
That maybe men are definitely the huge consumers of.
00:49:00.900
But if we are so concerned with women putting that out for free, it's not, it's charged, right?
00:49:06.900
Then why are we not putting the onus more on men for being the one that is in control of that demand, right?
00:49:13.900
So we can take away the supplier, you know, condemn it all we want.
00:49:17.900
But if there's no onus on men to be the consumers of said products, then.
00:49:26.900
You know, women don't like corn and it's not because they have any concern for men.
00:49:31.900
It's because they know that men have a very high sex drive.
00:49:35.900
And anything that takes away our power from beauty makes like they it loses power when men can just open up corn hub.
00:49:48.900
And wouldn't you think that would solve the issue that you're bringing up?
00:49:55.900
When I say that I'm anti-feminist, this does not mean that I do not also criticize men.
00:50:00.900
I think that's something that people get very wrong.
00:50:04.900
I believe the problem was seeded by the feminist movement.
00:50:43.900
And this used to be just your grandparents couldn't even imagine this.
00:50:46.900
Like women walking down the street and having their boobs out and their butts out and Instagram.
00:50:50.900
And it created an environment where men then had to work harder for a woman's affection,
00:50:56.900
for a woman to take her clothes off, sex education in the classroom.
00:51:01.900
The only men women make work are men they don't want.
00:51:04.900
Women do not make men wait that they like and want to be with.
00:51:10.900
They're not special women that are different or whatever.
00:51:14.900
Women that make you wait don't like you that much.
00:51:23.900
Like, you know, oh, we might as well teach them because the children are just doing it.
00:51:26.900
Actually, before they introduce sex education, the majority of high school graduates were graduating with their virginity intact.
00:51:33.900
Yeah, that's what the girls are going to say when sex is a prerequisite for marriage.
00:51:46.900
And then within 10 years of sex education, we saw a reversal.
00:51:50.900
So I'm saying feminist feminism actually seeded the problem.
00:51:54.900
In 1991, 50% of high school schoolers reported having sex.
00:52:04.900
Yeah, it's going down because women are sharing the men.
00:52:07.900
And you got fat women that just aren't participating.
00:52:12.900
It's harmful for men to be constantly exposed to pornography and soft pornography.
00:52:16.900
And I think it actually in many ways emasculates men.
00:52:21.900
But I would say they are the main social benefactors of that culture because, well, first and foremost, as we're talking about women who have to kind of pick one or the other or try to manage both.
00:52:38.900
I don't see why you can't have it all, to be honest.
00:52:41.900
I don't think you can be like a CEO, but you're just not going to convince me.
00:52:49.900
Maybe there's someone in the comments who said, like, she's a housewife.
00:53:00.900
And if I wanted to, I could wake up in the morning.
00:53:35.900
Then after you make peanut butter and jelly, apples, and granola bars.
00:53:45.900
Let's say you have a big family and it's for four kids.
00:53:50.900
You can take your kids to, you could drop your kids off at school at like seven or eight.
00:53:57.900
And also in the morning, you can do a crock pot.
00:54:02.900
And you can put some baby back ribs, you know, and then I could just make like a big thing of rice for the week.
00:54:09.900
So can you get reheated rice, but does anyone going to die from reheated rice?
00:54:23.900
You can put chicken in the, um, I mean the vegetables, you can make mushrooms.
00:54:41.900
Like, and I think if I do the calories on that, that's not, I mean, you could do turkey and cheese for like, look, I'm not saying it's like a gourmet meal, but you could even on Fridays or Saturdays do a more intense meal.
00:55:05.900
Do you know, or let's say you, you forget to do the crock pot in the morning.
00:55:11.900
Let me think of a healthy, you could do steaks.
00:55:24.900
Now I know everyone's like, well, what about cleaning?
00:55:26.900
Well, I mean, wouldn't you want a smaller house then?
00:55:36.900
If the house is a little dirty, I'm not saying like disgusting, but is it really going to be, you have weekends.
00:55:42.900
Like if you work a teaching job, let's say, or nine to five, you'd probably have to figure out because the kids get off at three.
00:55:49.900
So the two hour window you'd have to figure out.
00:55:51.900
But if you could find someone to take the kids home from school.
00:55:56.900
Um, I think that would be the, that would be the one thing is the three to five.
00:56:09.900
Cause like I could see if you have like a really big house, that would be hard to keep clean.
00:56:14.900
But like, I personally, I grew up in a really big house and I I've never wanted a big house because I'm just not a need enough person.
00:56:24.900
I mean, they even have like meals you can put in the microwave now.
00:56:33.900
Like at time, there are times when I think that a lot of these child, what now let's say most women have two kids tops.
00:56:46.900
Now I could see you have to spend a decade, like probably raising said, imagine the kids under three.
00:56:53.900
Um, like you can't, you're not putting them in school yet.
00:57:03.900
So yeah, when the kids are young, but that's like, okay, let's say up to five or six, the rest of it.
00:57:10.900
Like, so if you have a lot of kids, you're going to have that period when the kids young, but, and I don't know.
00:57:18.900
I don't watch a lot of like, I haven't watched a baby in a while.
00:57:24.900
Nobody's having kids, you know, but like, I'm just asking the question, even like a market, like, let's say you worked from home and did something like not, not a full time, but like even part time.
00:57:42.900
Now I know you guys are thinking, and I had this thought, like, you know, it's better for the kids if they're homeschooled.
00:57:48.900
And I really thought about this and I'm like, most moms are crazy.
00:58:05.900
I'm not against homeschooling, but I personally, I would have to think about the drawbacks of being like different than all the other kids.
00:58:15.900
Like, I just would wonder if you would be as socially adjusted.
00:58:34.900
I mean, um, I, the other woman in the chat saying four or five, that's when they go to preschool.
00:58:45.900
Now, I, again, I could see when the babies are young and you know, like my grandma had 13 kids.
00:58:51.900
So obviously she's not going to go work, but you're having one to two.
00:59:09.900
I know a lot of kids that turned out fine in public school.
00:59:20.900
I look at either way is fine, but I'm saying the average woman is putting their kids in school.
00:59:28.900
I knew like two people that were homeschooled, two families.
00:59:44.900
Anyways, like, yeah, put, can the housewives in the chat?
00:59:53.900
I'm just telling me, up to what age, like the kids are, I would say like up to like three
01:00:00.900
or four, they're like a lot and then they get easier.
01:00:03.900
Cause I like, I don't know, my grandma told me at like seven or six, the kids start working
01:00:17.380
no i i'm not i'm not for like the daycare whatever but
01:00:23.320
i mean you could even get a different job but you guys see what you guys do you see where i'm going
01:00:32.420
with this if she was a teacher she could get off at the same time the kids get off
01:00:36.900
i gave a little bit more to my career i ache because i'm i go okay but like now i feel like
01:00:42.400
i gave didn't give the same amount to my children um and it's a constant push and pull and it never
01:00:48.160
feels enough it really doesn't feel enough so like to a degree i think that feminism does benefit men
01:00:54.880
i think that it allows men to be more emotionally intelligent allows them to understand what that
01:00:59.320
looks like i homeschooled two sons back in 1990 the schools today are so whacked okay yeah look i'm not
01:01:06.180
against either i'm just saying most women aren't doing that they're not so most women are having
01:01:12.220
one kid they're having one two tops and also be able to connect with other people right but at the
01:01:19.420
same time there's so much work that feminism has done for women that to say that it benefits men
01:01:24.860
more i don't think is an accurate statement for example title nine has made it very yeah it does not
01:01:30.760
made men's lives easier i mean men don't have the right to their children in the womb outside of the
01:01:38.560
womb um men now get old wives whores that's what they're picking for wives very possible for women
01:01:47.500
to go to college 600 more so right and i think that that is a huge benefit that we can credit to the
01:01:53.320
feminist movement though i understand your point though of trying to say that like sex work is harmful
01:01:58.360
for women and more beneficial for men because they're benefiting from it the most but at the
01:02:04.100
same time if you think they're also suffering from it does that not contradict your point yeah so
01:02:09.400
i'd actually almost like to homeschool because sometimes i feel like i can't read that well
01:02:13.920
and if i you know and they say you when you teach you like learn better so maybe i'd like
01:02:21.340
i don't know i'll cross that bridge when i get there i disagree on the fact that and we do agree
01:02:29.320
that more women are going to college more actually more women than men are graduating with college
01:02:34.000
degrees and despite that people are saying that we still live under a patriarchy women are free to
01:02:38.140
start their own companies women are free to pay women whatever they want to pay women could hire
01:02:42.160
and in some cases do hire all women and so i don't i don't from that goes terrible terrible idea
01:02:49.060
really understand which wasn't your argument to be fair the idea that even with all of that freedom
01:02:54.920
women are still not able to achieve what men are able to achieve i think college education actually
01:03:01.000
has increased women's stress and i'm talking about in terms of how expensive it is and i know you're
01:03:06.720
gonna then say well i don't care that's what i would say i don't really care that it increased
01:03:12.060
women's stress life is hard who cares mission to that as we have to then move the goalpost and
01:03:18.960
i'm guessing here but like college should be free everything should be free he thinks well i
01:03:24.000
think you know we just need more free stuff and obviously nothing's free we're talking we're just
01:03:27.200
going to tax us if i could interject i just want to say i think the the issue that we keep coming
01:03:32.340
back to is that you believe that women would be happiest in the home where they don't have to
01:03:36.740
work and i think most people in general probably wouldn't like want to work anyways but i think
01:03:41.680
the main issue that we keep avoiding is that this is not an issue created by feminism women want to
01:03:47.380
work just in case it doesn't work out okay look at that's that's how women feel just in case
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you're a beta just in case she finds someone better or hotter so yeah this is an issue created
01:04:00.500
by capitalism yeah so i've heard this argument my wife had time to successfully keep a two-year
01:04:06.560
affair while keeping the house it's an issue created by capitalism but you don't agree you think
01:04:11.580
feminism is the greater issue than i think that now the issue money to live well we have to spend
01:04:18.460
more money to live right i think in large part because feminists got duped by the government and
01:04:23.340
i think we're okay we just keep further enslaving ourselves to the government i i'm not a person who
01:04:27.640
believes in big government and you find that feminists are constantly like well we can deal with
01:04:32.440
the college issue we just need more government we can deal with the you know needing to have more
01:04:36.880
benefits we just need more government so it's like okay let's just tax every household 100 percent
01:04:40.920
and i'm trying to prevent that and i'm saying that there was a time in america and what's aspirational
01:04:45.820
for me is i was uh you know raised in part by my grandparents they were very happy they were just
01:04:50.820
i lived in that environment of what that looked like and i think okay for many of people who didn't
01:04:56.000
grow up there feminism has taught us and i say this as someone who had to take feminism 101 courses
01:05:01.060
when i was in college that it was like this nightmare and people weren't happy and people were
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suffering and women were just were suffering people you know were being forced and that there
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weren't actually these things that just marriages that worked that the women actually weren't
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disempowered by being the ceos of their house allowing women to have more choice and freedom
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to leave sorry you've been voted out by the majority i did enjoy this conversation very respectful
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she was uh see that girl came off as more feminine she did it's probably i would put her at like a six
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i was thinking that a lot of your claim seven seven it's a very contradictory saying that we live in a
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matriarchy that men benefit from feminism you know what i'm gonna say six but she's young seven
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more i would like to understand why again you think that men benefit from feminism more
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um basically because men don't have to commit to women men are still able to do what they're doing
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and they have they are allowed to basically step away from all of the responsibilities of what it
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really meant to be a man and lead a household another tradcon feminist telling you what you need
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to do to be a man and that's in large part i think due to the sexual revolution i mean
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is it really bad that we don't have to give men the chase is it more men want wives than women want
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to be wives women don't want to be married women don't want to be in long-term relationships don't
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they have gratification from chasing us like it's a hunter versus prey situation to me so i feel like a
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lot of relationships especially back then were based on trying to get to home run like very fast
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and now that we have the freedom to not commit and not tie ourselves to one man for the rest of our
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life um i just don't necessarily think that's bad i just don't think the revolution has decreased our
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value we're not chewed gum for people who value connection and sex doesn't always have to have
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this deep meaning it is just connection and intimacy between two people who trust each other
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and why do we have to deny women that gratification like men you say that are wired to want that
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why not women why women want it more than men women are the ones that fought to be whores not men
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uh well we have we again i go back to just our basic biological differences there was a really
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interesting book that was done by a biophysicist he i think recently passed away named edward o wilson
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where he just sort of breaks down the biological arguments basically he looks in the wild to see
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the behavior of animals his thesis is just that you can never you basically can never beat your own
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biology and then he kind of compares it to what we see here as just humans and our social interactions
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and things that have been abundantly clear when you look at every civilization over time whether
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it's from you know 400 bc to la today what are these habits that you can see that never go away
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and people coming together and starting families is one of these things because we are biologically
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wired to find yeah but it was usually one guy just going around impregnating a lot of women
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then we're like oh we can't have that because these other men are going to get mad so let's do
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monogamy and the women are like no i can't be with an average guy i can't find a family to settle
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down and to have children and i think when you have women that are going out and they're giving
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all of the goods up for free the goods the goods i'm not gonna say yeah women hate whores because
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it lowers it raises the price of commitment because the guy's way less likely to like give
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you commitment if you can just go bang a whore the goods up for free men are not the goods for free
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from men and that we are very actually you can certainly do that women do want it for free
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and there's connections we're not sockeye salmon we're not made to breed and have families and
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then die you are welcome to that i'm just saying that when it comes time for you to find a partner
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you may find yourself in a circumstance where men don't value you as high because men men like like
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like you spoke to men like to compete they like to feel like they've won something i'd like to
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deprive men of that no she'll still find somebody as long as she does it before 30 too she'll be fine
01:09:38.940
american women are fat thin women have a lot of power beauty gets you on the date eventually there's
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a taker because they don't need to have that that's actually like that's actually but you but
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you did bring up you did bring yeah yeah and that's what you say that men are you know essentially
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predatory and we have the goods that we have to meet like keep from them oh i didn't mean the goods
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in a bad way um but that's such an objectifying way the goods what the grocery good honestly i think i
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think that that's just kind of you don't have value colloquial songs today i think we have value
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apart from how many people we sleep with how many like you also devalue yeah and i actually understand
01:10:19.740
what she's saying being likable is way more important
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men if you get over their attraction floor well i'll tell you a couple things one it's
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most men don't have the access or the tools to really find out about a woman's past and it's easier
01:10:39.860
to like get away with it i'll say that's one two um and most men don't have the time to like go
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most men once they have you in a rotation or whatever like the guys that are getting laid
01:11:08.620
and women want for more long-term commitment they're gonna pick the girl that would be the
01:11:13.800
best mother and is the most pleasant to be around over purity if you're a virgin or you've slept with
01:11:21.540
one guy or two guys but you're a bitch it doesn't matter it doesn't um thanks robert i i love it when
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you guys super new education for women and i think that's very interesting because you're also a very
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educated woman and you in a lot of ways this is just like an observation you do that you devalue
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yourself a lot i definitely do not feel like i'm devaluing myself make him a sandwich yeah
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it's not that hard to make a sandwich it's really not
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we need to raise the bar yes feed your men and everything feed the people that you love
01:12:09.780
because family isn't defined just by your partner or your kids family's community and you should
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care about your community and understanding that i just don't think you really care about the
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community that much when you're pushing this rhetoric of devaluing women so much to stay in
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the kitchen stay within well it's valuable to who um if you want to look at who's valuable to women
01:12:29.580
it's women um that break the slut barrier and you know basically when women
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act worse it makes it easier to get away with stuff so that's what's valuable to women what's
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valuable to men is um likable pretty not a whore pretty much it oh sorry yeah then the cooking that
01:12:50.460
whatever that guy wants but really those three things it starts with the homes and also saying
01:12:56.140
that they're wasting money on college when education is very important there's a lot of
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thank you hello hi how are you what's your name i'm zella stone very nice to meet you zella
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you have very pretty eyes thank you why would she
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oh she's she's actually pretty why would you get a face tattoo
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okay oh um so you keep talking about only fans and kim kardashian and um well i do only fans
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okay and i'm a stripper as well god help us that's what i would say oh don't
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oh my god i have to argue with a stripper today that's what i would say she's gonna be polite and
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be like i just why do we care what a stripper has to say i would say production next next we never
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used to take opinions from the bottom ring of society next next
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so you're in the sex industry um well i'm mainly a recording artist but i do that to fund the music
01:14:24.140
okay but you know you're saying basically that we kind of like devalue ourselves
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but at the same time i'm celibate i still consider myself a woman of god and so
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i would just say next um producers can we please move on to the next person um because i just can't
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deal with this you know not all of us are just out there just oh hey showing the goods oh my god
01:14:56.180
your job is to be hot and you have this gut you know like we do respect our bodies still
01:15:02.480
so i don't like that you kind of putting us all in one box yes so we have to in order to have
01:15:08.200
debates we have to make generalizations of course there can be some exceptions to the rule but what
01:15:12.460
i'm trying to understand is how can you say that you're not you know giving up your body if you are
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a stripper well because i said i'm celibate i still want to get married i still want to have kids
01:15:24.420
and first she will get married and have kids someone will do it
01:15:27.700
some of us it's hard for us to have kids and i've also dealt with sexual abuse since a child
01:15:34.240
i doubt it oh you know so i wasn't doing any sexual work as a child you know and still went through
01:15:41.840
things like that so so i first want to say perfectly sympathetic to everything you're saying especially
01:15:48.220
i first want to say i don't believe anything you're saying but i guess i'll go with it
01:15:54.720
they couldn't handle me in one of these debates if you come from an environment where you've lived
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through something when you're a kid it makes it infinitely harder and it's actually a reason why
01:16:06.060
so many people turn to sex work because they i don't think it's an excuse at all
01:16:09.960
i know men from war-torn countries and they decided to get a job don't have that structure
01:16:21.520
um at home that gives them i think other options but would you agree with me that if you could
01:16:27.440
like that wouldn't happen i went to college for music production for music production i went to
01:16:32.000
la recording school okay so did you decide to be a stripper because of economic restraint or because
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of freedom for freedom you know we want the choice to do whatever we want with our bodies
01:16:42.540
yeah money gives you freedom yeah okay okay you know um i don't think it matters
01:16:48.840
if you do want to dress how you want to dress that doesn't mean oh you can you know sexually
01:16:55.500
abuse or sexually harass do you think men that are being brought into the strip clubs to watch you
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do you think that they're walking away and going i did that because that woman was empowered to take
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off her clothes or do you think that they're actually deep she's providing more of a service
01:17:09.780
because she's actually giving her youth to men and prudes don't
01:17:15.440
valuing women no i get it i used to be that hypocrite you know i said things that i said i
01:17:22.460
would never do anything like that you know like i totally get that but some people just want to go
01:17:27.240
to the club and have a good time yeah i think most of the people who are making those decisions are
01:17:31.480
doing it because they have they're dealing with addictions themselves i think you're worth more than
01:17:35.880
taking your clothes off i think that if you wanted to have a career in music you wouldn't have to take
01:17:41.160
your clothes off to do that and i think that it's sad yeah i would just say um you're just probably
01:17:46.400
not talented enough to be a musician because if you were you would make money
01:17:55.320
that's what i would say i think it's good someone's got to do it and i'm glad it's not me
01:18:03.600
so thank you for your service that you've been every story is different every story is different
01:18:09.740
but i do think that you know we can make a generalization i was at that point where i was
01:18:14.100
going to college i was working three jobs i used to be a nurse so you just don't know the situations
01:18:20.180
you don't know how life is going to turn out it's going to be ups and downs but no i didn't want
01:18:26.260
she say her name i want to know it's her instagram should we watch her mixtape
01:18:30.460
what was her name can someone look at their name and at the end we'll look at her we'll see
01:18:37.480
if her mixtape is any good i do it but in my situation and things that i went through it's
01:18:42.740
something that it just but i'm actually really glad that you said no i didn't want to do it and
01:18:48.280
you were put in a situation where you had to do it because i think that's really honest and i think
01:18:52.480
the problem that i find with feminism is that it's tremendously it's a dishonest movement all right
01:18:57.720
guys pause it's been voted out by the majority thank you i'm not judging
01:19:09.720
as not that good but well can someone doug mpa can you get her name so i can check out her page at the
01:19:17.160
nice to meet you nice to meet you catherine candace you brought up a book about that we're going to
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biology and that biology is what we should organize society on based on like what skills
01:19:31.380
sure i can i can restate what i said there that there is a book and the argument that's being
01:19:36.220
made is that you can't override you can't outthink your biology is the easiest way to say it so
01:19:40.260
feminism i would say is a movement where they're trying to outthink biology meaning that all we have
01:19:45.500
to do is this this this this and that and then magically we're going to be transformed and that desire
01:19:50.120
within us to want to start a family is just going to like die or we're going to be happier doing
01:19:55.000
this thing and i think the answer to that is no right um i would argue that our biology does not have
01:20:02.280
as much of an effect on the things that we choose to do with our careers with our life choices as
01:20:07.120
you think it does our closest ancestors are chimps and bonobos bonobos are matriarchal chimps are
01:20:12.800
patriarchal so and our previous societies have run egalitarian for millennia it's not been this
01:20:19.840
inherent desire for men to rule a certain way and women to rule another way it has been egalitarian
01:20:27.120
it's been matriarchal it's been patriarchal because there are things that go into effect like your
01:20:33.760
situation your personality that make you better at doing something than just your biology i know many
01:20:40.400
quiet nerdy men that would not be good leaders and i know many strong women and vice versa like
01:20:45.900
it does not i don't know any women that would be good leaders i'm sure they exist i just don't know
01:20:51.140
matter as base your testosterone the hormones you admit is not going to have as much of an effect as i
01:20:57.480
think you think it does i totally think it does and so that's why what's getting back to college since
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i'm assuming you support women going to college yeah can you explain why there is when they can freely
01:21:09.040
choose why there is such a difference in the majors that women choose versus the majors that men choose
01:21:17.860
when they get to college well i think it's also important to note that things are changing and
01:21:21.500
there's like many initiatives to get more women into stem to get women into higher paying career fields
01:21:25.900
when women have been kept out of these fields for so long it's the slow and steady race to get them
01:21:30.900
there it's not that women are not choosing them it's they're slowly learning that this is okay for them
01:21:36.180
to choose there's more women in stem there's more lawyers there's more women women are making
01:21:40.140
upstrides to those positions so it's not like they're sedentary and they're staying in these
01:21:45.040
humanities or arts field i don't think you're being honest i think you know like if did you go to
01:21:50.580
college i mean i'm in college i think i know that i mean aren't it's not because they're not pressured
01:21:54.780
it's because when quite literally they say what are you interested in women flock to certain things
01:21:58.840
they just do we do we as a whole do it tends to be and less work women don't want to do as much work
01:22:05.300
we want the easy stuff not the hard stuff the men want to make money we want to have fun
01:22:11.880
it's really it and this is because we are biologically wired and even when a child is
01:22:18.700
born when a woman like a female uh a child versus a male child the girls start speaking faster and
01:22:26.720
they speak more words just a fact right for the rest of their lives like my daughter started speaking
01:22:30.420
and this is not anecdotal but this is i'm giving you an anecdotal example of something that is a real
01:22:33.820
fact yeah because we never shut the up so there's just a biological proclivity there that women like
01:22:40.400
communication and you see that followed all the way as an example into college women are drawn
01:22:46.300
toward these careers that are compassionate emotional and communicative which is why you'll
01:22:50.940
see women flooding journalism that's why even when you see women that are finding success
01:22:55.140
they are typically in careers that are communicative and compassionate women that will say i want to do
01:23:00.740
psychology i want to do children's psychology and so even at the same time that women are saying
01:23:04.940
that they're running away from their biology so to speak they are still exhibiting that they very much
01:23:10.080
believe in these determined biological characteristics that i think are something that's just never going
01:23:17.200
to go away right but i would also bring up that the the way that women are young girls are given
01:23:23.160
dolls young boys are put in sports these things that kids learn at a very early age are very
01:23:29.080
impactful in what children like and pursue in the future it's not simply that i don't think there's
01:23:44.220
a biological gene that women like fashion and men don't that's why we do see men in fashion that's why
01:23:49.360
there's actually at the top of all these fashion houses a lot of men are in successful positions in
01:23:53.900
fashion um the way in which you teach to children you're not here for women but you're here
01:23:58.960
because you want the 19th amendment abolished well you're going to be waiting the rest of your life
01:24:02.740
because that's never going to happen and to explore creativity and to play and what we put women and
01:24:07.640
we put women in pink rooms and little girls in pink rooms and boys in blue that has an effect
01:24:12.740
so and i'll tell you why i disagree and i know because i had my children back to back that there was
01:24:16.960
there's a blur here so i never had to separate them and say you play with this you play with that they
01:24:21.380
were growing up with their toys i mean one year apart my daughter and my son they just are interested
01:24:26.420
in different things and this is one of the i think lies of feminism and when you actually have
01:24:30.880
children there may be some exceptional child but i am telling you my boy's first word was car he's
01:24:36.040
obsessed with trucks he's obsessed with cars i did not do that i do not like i don't like having to
01:24:39.560
answer his questions about cars i don't like having to answer his questions about trucks because my
01:24:43.780
biological proclivities are not designed i i'm just not because you're more retarded
01:24:48.320
because we are more i can't i can't say what i want to say i can't say what i want to say
01:24:55.940
men are able men think about more useful things than we do unfortunately
01:25:07.820
such a great guy feeling passionate about engineering wanting to know how everything works
01:25:13.600
you don't recognize that and this is i think one of the worst harms of yeah women speak three
01:25:18.280
words men speak one word and it's because men do things women talk it's like amazing i have a talk
01:25:23.400
show my dad's the one who should have a talk show but he's too busy doing things do you know what i mean
01:25:28.460
i my dad's the one and he it's so funny because he just thinks he he couldn't do media or any of this
01:25:37.200
stuff and i beg him i beg him he's so cool he's so cool i wish i could show you guys my dad because
01:25:45.340
he's just he is that cool anyone that's met him in person he is that cool there's no if answer but
01:25:56.640
and then he'll always say to me he's always like
01:26:00.720
i've made a lot of mistakes in life i'm not perfect i'm like damn near none
01:26:10.780
feminism because i was a feminist when i was in college or i of course she was
01:26:15.160
it's convenient at least i agreed with the movement because you don't have the family yet
01:26:20.500
so when they make these arguments that doug mpa's madam he's that cool right he's so cool
01:26:25.700
you're making you think that that's real you think oh well it's just because
01:26:28.880
you're not giving the child the button my dad my dad told me
01:26:34.240
to give up on the on the abortion argument years ago
01:26:38.320
and i was like no dad it's so wrong we gotta fight three years later you're right they win
01:26:47.240
yeah the barbie doll that they don't love barbie dolls and that's not a reality that
01:26:53.940
we are just quite literally different there are many i'm so sorry all right we're done
01:26:58.860
we're done that one all right we're gonna check out all right make sure you take out
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all right i'm gonna wait for a second so they actually take my screen off
01:27:14.640
they've been taking their damn time recently let me let me wait are we off doug mpa we're off
01:27:25.360
all right thank you no offense okay um all right here's the instagram of the stripper
01:27:34.780
all right let me wait for a second so i'm gonna wait for a second so i'm gonna wait for a second i'm gonna show you
01:27:37.660
all right oh my god all right let's see this girl's mixtape we can bring it up now um
01:27:44.780
um her music all right let's let's objectively raid her music okay
01:27:52.880
all right here we go i hope this doesn't copyright me but it's a risk we're gonna
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have to take we're just gonna play like 10 for like five seconds and stop
01:28:07.400
this is terrible that's too much auto-tune for me let's see a different one ghost
01:28:21.620
i'm in a rolls-royce but i'm gone like a ghost okay
01:28:37.400
okay i liked this one a little better but like good
01:28:52.320
i'll if you're watching this in the replay and it's muted it's because i got copyright
01:28:57.700
now the question is is the song good is can i shimmy to it can i shimmy
01:29:21.860
uh oscar stop simping that was not good this all sucks
01:29:28.240
all right well on that note she did only fans for nothing because she's not good at music
01:29:35.700
my song was way better my mixtape slapped okay you can look it up pearl davis on spotify
01:29:44.820
it's we don't party like we used to and addictive i'm not even gonna play you guys i've played it
01:29:50.800
before on the show but if you're interested i do have a spotify and it's better than this
01:29:55.340
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