JustPearlyThings - May 17, 2023


Daughter Confronts Mother for LEAVING DAD


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11 minutes

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2,739

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28

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7

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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend, Penelope, to talk about cheating in a marriage and how she copes with being a single mom. We talk about how she dealt with cheating in her marriage, how she handled it, and why she decided to leave her husband.

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00:00:00.000 I do think I do think people should try to work out cheating though like I like I think like it's about the kids
00:00:05.640 It's not about you. You should try to work it out
00:00:09.640 No offense people watching this but like
00:00:11.640 My mom and dad got divorced I when I was four and it was because my dad cheated on her and I don't think anyone should
00:00:17.680 You know, I think cheating. I don't inherently think cheating is a good thing
00:00:20.780 But I think I sometimes wonder what would my life have looked like had they been together
00:00:25.620 I wonder that every day. How would I have been? You know, I'm I'm I'm grateful I know I am the way I am now
00:00:30.180 but I'm just saying like I know there's a lot of girls out there who have
00:00:34.180 Dysfunctional families and don't have a father mother that are together and I've seen people with who have their mother and father together
00:00:39.220 And they're very different people the way they approach themselves the way they talk to people the way they react to situations
00:00:45.220 They're just different people and I think that's beautiful
00:00:47.220 And so like that's even like a reason like I want I wish more people more women and men would see oh, I want to have a healthy family
00:00:53.180 I want to break the generational trauma the generational disrupt, you know, the generational problems
00:00:59.800 Do you ever wish you stayed?
00:01:01.800 Absolutely. Really? Yeah. Well, I wish we could have worked it out. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. So what what made you guys get divorced?
00:01:08.360 If you don't mind me asking
00:01:09.980 Well, I I came to him and I gave him the very clear parameters. I was like, listen, I figured this is happening
00:01:16.420 There's not deniable. We can't deny this is happening. So let's just save our marriage and save our life
00:01:21.460 We have a great life and so I said, you know, I need these three things to happen and not only did they not happen
00:01:26.800 But it got much much worse and then it got dangerous and then it got violent and then it got scary
00:01:30.700 And then I you know, then I just felt like I didn't have a choice because things got so violent dangerous and scary
00:01:37.080 So it weren't directly because of cheating then?
00:01:40.440 Well, no initially I
00:01:42.080 It started off that way because there's just so much lies and deceit and can I trust this person and then but I really really wanted to
00:01:49.080 To make it work. I was like, why don't we we'll just have an open marriage
00:01:51.840 Which I knew would probably kill me inside, but I was like, yeah, I even offered it, you know, I was like
00:01:55.500 That's really really really wanted it. I even gave him a contract for a second child
00:01:59.320 I said, you know, you don't have to pay for the child
00:02:01.360 Like I just I really wanted the marriage stay together, but I just got scared
00:02:05.660 So if it was just strictly cheating you think it would have worked out and it would have been all right now
00:02:11.460 Well, I needed certain things to change I needed some securities that weren't that weren't that weren't there
00:02:17.320 because I think what do you mean securities do you mind saying or no well when I
00:02:21.380 Found out that he was cheating. I also looked into like our life a little bit more deeply and I realized that absolutely nothing was in my name
00:02:28.140 I had nothing mm-hmm and I was like, oh my gosh
00:02:31.500 I'm in a really vulnerable position here because I never even thought about it
00:02:35.220 And so then I was like, listen, I need to have some stake in our lives
00:02:40.340 Yeah, and it was a protection protective mechanism clearly and he was like, no
00:02:45.040 No, no way
00:02:47.040 Can I ask a question?
00:02:49.040 Did you did you put yourself in that situation where you wanted to make it work?
00:02:53.760 For Penelope for sure only or because you loved him. So do also I still love him today and why do you right now?
00:03:00.380 I mean, I was hoping he would come to London yesterday and have lunch with us
00:03:03.180 I mean, is he still single?
00:03:05.600 Yeah, he's in a situation ship
00:03:07.600 He's in a situation ship
00:03:09.600 Okay, so nothing real
00:03:11.600 Would you ever get back with him?
00:03:13.600 If I mean I would consider it Penelope thinks I'm crazy, but I talk about it all the time
00:03:17.600 My dad would never get back with her so it's like
00:03:19.600 Why? I don't know
00:03:21.600 Can I ask him right now
00:03:23.600 Can I ask him right now on camera?
00:03:25.600 No, don't do that, but can I ask a question?
00:03:27.600 But why wouldn't you? I know you said you would you would you're doing it for Penelope and I understand that absolutely
00:03:31.600 You can do anything to keep
00:03:33.600 I think people would do anything for their children, but
00:03:37.600 Don't you think that you should love yourself more instead of after what he's done?
00:03:42.600 And I feel like you can you deserve better and you don't deserve to be treated like that
00:03:45.600 I just terrified what being a single parent was going to look like
00:03:49.600 And it was crazy because I had a single mom so I should have known better
00:03:53.600 But honestly, I think it's modern-day child abuse
00:03:57.600 It is and I watched her and I watched her in my I watched her growing up struggle so much as one person to do all the work at home
00:04:05.600 Like just one person no support. I mean it was so hard for you like you were I'm really nice
00:04:09.600 You were like crying and it also struck a strong heart in my and for me
00:04:14.600 It was like I never want to have that
00:04:16.600 And I will do any anything and everything my power to never create that for my future family because that is so it was so painful
00:04:23.600 I don't wish that pain on anyone
00:04:25.600 So if your man cheats you're staying then
00:04:27.600 Yeah, because if I have a family I made a I make a vow I make a vow
00:04:32.600 I make a vow to God to higher power that I will stick with this person for the rest of my life
00:04:37.600 Of course
00:04:38.600 I thought that I did that with your father too, but you know it happened
00:04:41.600 But I can never make up for that for you not having a dad
00:04:43.600 And there was a spiritual this like there was a spiritual disconnection there
00:04:47.600 Well, our values were different. I thought we were in a monogamous relationship, but I you know found out otherwise
00:04:53.600 And maybe it was a phase. I don't know. Maybe you can't change people. I don't know
00:04:57.600 But you know it's sad
00:04:59.600 I mean guys he still admits to this day. He regrets what he did
00:05:01.600 He wish he didn't do what he did and he and he and he wishes he could have changed certain things
00:05:05.600 So he's not like doesn't have any remorse
00:05:07.600 Cause I just feel like majority not all majority of men do at some point in their life will cheat
00:05:15.600 In a relationship
00:05:16.600 They will
00:05:17.600 And if every woman leaves a man for cheating 1.00
00:05:19.600 Then you have all these you know motherless and fatherless families
00:05:23.600 But I think that's the thing we're never like we're never as women were never told like how men are naturally
00:05:29.600 And like men just want to screw everything 0.99
00:05:31.600 So it's like we've kind of been told that if we get cheated on it's the worst thing ever and it can't be worked through
00:05:36.600 Is that because the man isn't in the house? There's a lot of fatherless women 1.00
00:05:40.600 Yeah, I think that most of society's problem really like come back to single mother homes to be honest 1.00
00:05:47.600 Like if you look at the prison population, it's like 80% single mother homes
00:05:50.600 If you look at youth suicides, you're way more likely to be abused as a child
00:05:55.600 You're way more like every big I spoke to a homeless shelter director down the street
00:06:01.600 And I said why why like are these people homeless like because he has like the worst type of homeless
00:06:06.600 Which is like the street sleepers because there's different like levels of people living in cars. There's whatever
00:06:10.600 And he told me that he that most of these people
00:06:17.600 Came from single mother homes, especially with like multiple baby daddies or like whatever 1.00
00:06:22.600 And they the kids I got ended up getting taken and like put in the system and they've never they don't know any sense of stability or function
00:06:29.600 And so if you look at all the like major issues in society a lot are linked to single mother homes and single father homes don't have the same outcomes 0.89
00:06:36.600 It's not as bad
00:06:37.600 If you're seeing a lot of if you grow up in a single household
00:06:40.600 When you see a breakup then in your head it might seem like right like what you're saying with your mom
00:06:46.600 You can you can do this because your mom will grow up in a single home 1.00
00:06:49.600 So you might see it as I this is something it's not easy by something I can do
00:06:54.600 And then when only when you go through it you realize that right this is mad
00:06:57.600 But if we have a lot more family units in the house and working at things
00:07:02.600 Then the children get to see like okay my mom and dad went through this
00:07:06.600 But they managed to go through this route to to help and because I've been through my inner relationship
00:07:12.600 Where I've gone therapy and I've gone places to to fix things you get on saying
00:07:16.600 And even when you talk about therapy earlier I don't think therapy is there to fix things
00:07:20.600 It's just there to for you to help not not not I don't think therapy is there to fix
00:07:25.600 I think it's there to help you understand triggers and understand certain things for you to maneuver
00:07:30.600 It can never hit therapy can never fix nothing
00:07:33.600 Honestly to be very honest after going to therapy for eight years maybe twelve
00:07:38.600 Yeah, I don't believe in therapy. I had other ways to fix your problems and you can also just really get over yourself
00:07:44.600 Honestly, I just decided to get over myself and that's basically how I think I think that therapy like it's outsourcing families
00:07:51.600 It is
00:07:53.600 Because like usually you would go to your siblings or you go to because your mother is gonna have a completely different take
00:07:58.600 Like if you're let's say if you're in an argument with your boyfriend
00:08:00.600 She's gonna have a completely different take on the situation because she knows you and she knows your positive and your negative traits
00:08:07.600 So it's like if I tell my mom like oh this person reacted to me this way mom's gonna be like well
00:08:12.600 Maybe you did this
00:08:14.600 People are scared of that real truth
00:08:18.600 No, I just think that the therapist doesn't have that information they didn't grow up with you
00:08:23.600 But like you who knows your daughter better than you
00:08:25.600 But that's what I'm saying she might be scared to go to her mom because you're gonna get that harsh reality
00:08:29.600 And sometimes people don't want the harsh reality
00:08:31.600 You know what I'm saying?
00:08:32.600 No, I love it. She raised me that way though
00:08:34.600 Yeah
00:08:35.600 The way people raise their children dictates also relationships
00:08:38.600 It dictates how people react and so she raised me giving me the hard truth since I was little
00:08:41.600 And I hated it. I mean I would scream at you and cry
00:08:44.600 I used to hate her with my whole being
00:08:46.600 But that's what I'm saying you hate you no one likes the truth
00:08:47.600 No, I used to hate her 0.76
00:08:48.600 Yeah
00:08:49.600 But now I love her and I give her like all the props to being honest with me when I didn't want to hear it
00:08:53.600 Yeah
00:08:54.600 She told me I was fat
00:08:55.600 She was like you need to get up and go work out like she reminded me of that every day
00:08:58.600 I love that
00:08:59.600 That's good
00:09:00.600 That's so funny. I used to get mad at my mom
00:09:02.600 I wasn't I wasn't that big but I was like a pretty pretty chunky and my mom would always be like on me because I was just this die-hard like tomboy
00:09:09.600 And I just didn't want to like look that and I still struggle with it to this day, but I'm like
00:09:14.600 Oh my god, I would be so much worse if my mom wasn't like on me all the time because when you're a kid 1.00
00:09:19.600 You're just like mom like I don't wanna
00:09:21.600 I know I just listen to her and she's like this she has her master's in nutrition
00:09:24.600 She's trained thousands of people and I'm like I don't want you to tell me what to eat
00:09:27.600 Like I don't want you to tell me how to live how to work out
00:09:29.600 But I would sit in my room like obese fat, you know crying
00:09:32.600 I was depressed in my dark room all day and she'd be like open the curtains rip the curtains open 0.98
00:09:37.600 I'm gonna take your phone away and I was like it was like really intense
00:09:43.600 But those are the kind of parents that you need
00:09:45.600 But I needed that because this world is cruel
00:09:48.600 And I've been through some bad things and and having that her mentality that she raised me with being honest and saying Penelope you need to get up 0.92
00:09:55.600 No Penelope this is not true, you know men there are men and women like these are important things she taught me
00:09:59.600 It's kind of funny like the day you realize your parents were right about everything
00:10:02.600 Like it's like it's like you just wake up one day and you're like
00:10:05.600 I was like around 21 or 22 for me I was like oh my gosh my mom and dad
00:10:12.600 Raised me so well and they were right about everything they told me
00:10:16.600 We never we never listen through our teenager years except for relationships
00:10:21.600 Oh, yeah, I'm not listening to them for relationship
00:10:23.600 I've got no relationship
00:10:24.600 I'm in the best relationship compared to those two
00:10:26.600 Yeah, well do you like the guy she's dating?
00:10:29.600 Very much
00:10:30.600 Yeah, I mean I think that I think that mothers like actually we should ask our parents about those like people we date
00:10:36.600 Yeah, and I actually he met my mom and my dad and I would I wouldn't have been with him if they didn't like him
00:10:40.600 Yeah period because that's just how that's just how it should be 0.97
00:10:44.600 But man like that as well because even the girl that I'm seeing now her family unit is strong
00:10:47.600 And I feel like it wouldn't have worked if her if her mom or things didn't like man, do you get what I'm saying?
00:10:53.600 Totally and my family is like my most important thing to be
00:10:55.600 But man respect that once the family is important to you
00:10:58.600 Totally
00:10:59.600 And close to you like I feel like I feel like men respect women more when they have that family dynamic
00:11:05.600 Whether the even if the dad's not there if the dad's there obviously he's gonna respect you
00:11:09.600 a lot more in it because he's gonna come differently
00:11:12.600 But if if he knows you have a strong support unit with mom cousins aunties whatever yeah
00:11:18.600 He is gonna respect you a lot more than if a girl doesn't really have the same kind of support
00:11:23.600 We're asking how you find a good woman and I also find it really challenging to know when you find a good man
00:11:28.600 I mean, I think by now at 47, you know, it's challenging to find a good man
00:11:32.600 I think I found one whose values align, but it's not that easy. It's not easy
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