Debate on the Grey Area of Feminism
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In this episode, we discuss the current state of women in the workplace, the lack of diversity in leadership roles, and the challenges faced by women and people of colour in society. We also discuss the benefits and disadvantages of being a woman in a male dominated workplace.
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like i feel like women get put in positions they're actually not qualified for and they're
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not the best person for the job because of quotas and diversity hires yeah some some 100 that's
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for sure that does happen that's for sure but also women or people of color do have to prove
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themselves more in order to be getting taken seriously no i just think as for women in my
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experience i don't think there's any disadvantage and most of the girls i know that complain about
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it are just kind of lazy to be honest i don't agree with you perra i get you but i don't agree
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with you given that i'm with my partner and sometimes i go for what he's going for i put
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my hands up i don't speak as perfect english and i'm not intelligent as much as he is but there's a
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lot of positions that he gets picked when i don't you know maybe he's just better he is unfortunately
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yes that's right but there's sometimes when they give him chances but give me a chance to just prove
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that i'm better or maybe i'm equal in some there is a lot of places that i'm quite equal but i feel
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like it's like a mindset thing like if i if i get passed up for a job with a dude like i'm not
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going to think it's because of my gender i'm thinking i'm going to think it's because i'm not
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good enough yeah but that's what i mean there's two different things at play one there is a
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disadvantage for some people in society whether it's based on your race whatever it might be even
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height they've showed studies about that but i think the second thing is who are you in the face
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of that and that's what you're alluding to yeah so i don't care there are times of course i mean
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i've grown up as a young black boy how many times i got stopped by police of course statistically i knew
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there was more i have friends that would walk around whatever in their pockets they never get
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stopped as i do i get it it's a reality but my thing is who are you going to be in the face of
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it that's the difference so i recognize that society does treat different people differently
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that's that's just true but my thing is i don't do the victim thing because of it and i think that's
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what you're talking about you're not a victim in fact i actually turn it on his head because it
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happens i'm gonna go even harder that's it you know i was brought up told you're black you're gonna
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have to work three times as hard and so i did yeah i'm not gonna complain oh why do i have to
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work three times and i will and it's given me an advantage this advantage gives you an advantage
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you see it with like rappers now they're hungry because of where they come from they mean it when
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they say get rich or die trying so there are discrimination against them but it makes them
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what i don't like is victim culture but i just i think that society openly discriminates against men way
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more than women and that like and i think if that wasn't the case like there wouldn't be quotas in
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these jobs yeah like i think people want women in leadership positions because in a lot of
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companies they have diversity hires true but that's quite a recent thing i would say probably
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isn't in the last generation i mean it's been implemented since like the 60 at least in the
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u.s since the 60s and 70s generation or two yeah but that's i mean i'm i'm 26 so that's two of two of
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my lifetimes that's quite a long time to me it's the pendulum thing isn't it i think it's strong too
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far now it's just sounds like let's get someone diverse in there even though they're not i mean i think of
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our i'm bad that i say about our chancellor that caused an absolute nightmare i wonder if he was
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fussed in that position next thing you know he had the most terrible him and the prime minister
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list trust you know that's an example i think where people just put into position because of
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i can agree it's interesting when you say the pendulum swinging i actually don't really see it like
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women were discriminated against like ever because i just think that we had different roles like we
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could say that men were discriminated against because they had to go to war we didn't have to go to war
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like i just think society was set up differently i don't think it's discrimination in that i mean
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give an example for instance right if it wasn't for the fact that men went to war women would never
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have been allowed in these industrial jobs it's not discrimination it's just a limitation based on
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an assumption of you're a woman you can't do it it's true you know or you're black you can't do it
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well i mean i think when it comes to war like we can't no but women did women did fill the
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positions that men left behind i was talking about war oh actually going out and fighting i mean
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me and you could fight you're even if i'm the strongest woman you're gonna win
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physically yeah i mean there are some female soldiers out there that run rings around some
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men if women were doing so well in the military they wouldn't continually lower the requirements
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for them to like they literally had to lower the requirement for us to become a seal
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i think when it's physically like that but definitely in society there have been instances where people
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have not been given a chance because of an assumption about what they were capable of and when they
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were given that chance you could see that they excelled i mean there was a time the nba wasn't
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full of black players you know there were times for instance we've got a friend who's a black
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football agent there was a time that was unheard of there was a time when women weren't seen able
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to run a football club and yeah i'm just talking about gender though so what i was talking about
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was when i just don't think women were ever really discriminated against i think society was different
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i don't know i i think because do you find discrimination what's the definition of
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discrimination well like earning differentials right even in the modern day it's treated differently
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because of their gender isn't it really well i come from a culture when it's the opposite to the west
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right now women do get abused i was about to say these are the people that i know personally
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the man will cheat she can't say any word and she will get hit and there's no one's going to stand
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for her she goes to the parents and they're like shush stay in the marriage you've got kids and
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you're not coming back to us i'm talking about in the west i don't know what but that's what i'm
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saying we could do different right but that's when he says that it's been shifted right so there's a
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lot of women right happened because of that because that was like a hundred years ago here so the
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women stood and raised their voice but it became quite toxic right now and i think what's really
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missing is balance yeah that's what you don't but yeah there definitely was a time when women
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were discriminated if it's happening and it wasn't just along and gender lines it was on class lines
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there was a time for instance where working class guys couldn't vote so there's always been a sense
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where power's been concentrated in the hands of whatever privilege it was and that the other had
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to fight for that oh they can actually do it that's my point is like it wasn't it was about like roles
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and responsibilities like it wasn't just open discrimination i mean it was but it wasn't like
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for example like they always talk about how women couldn't vote but the majority of women didn't
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want to vote like if they asked them they polled them and the majority of women didn't want to vote
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because it came with being drafted and so how it's it's not really discrimination it's roles and
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responsibilities where the men were responsible for protecting where the women were responsible
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for staying at home but before women got their suffrage wasn't it the case that men who were
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fighting also didn't went didn't have a chance to vote so i don't the majority of people didn't have the
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chance to vote i don't remember exactly how it was structured it's been it's been a bit since i've
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looked at it but like i actually because there was always this narrative that like women were
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oppressed and put down and that's always what i thought until i found out um i started researching
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the anti-suffragates or whatever they were called um and they were basically like women that were
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against um women voting and i because i was like why on earth would women not want the right to vote and
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it turned out it was because it came with the responsibility because when you think about it you're voting at
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least in the u.s for the commander-in-chief so that's the person that's in charge of the army
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so it kind of makes sense for you to have some skin in the game but you don't think that historically
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women weren't discriminated against and you know look at look at forget like even war but you say
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women authors had to come out as men in order to be taken seriously women photographers had to pretend
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they were men in order to be taken seriously there have been time and time again instances in
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in society where women had to pretend to be men in order to be taken seriously i mean same with
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the first female doctor i believe it was in france i think i think if you had to pick women by and
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large being discriminated against and men by and large being discriminated against i would say men
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were discriminated against more yeah but so you're comparing men and women i'm just because then it
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becomes our men have had it worse than women and it becomes this battle i'm talking just purely in
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terms of you know women have been discriminated against and so have men has there ever been discrimination
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ever sure but do i do i think it's like this narrative that by and large like women had such a
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horrible life and we're oppressed and all of this stuff like no i agree with you i think that's
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been fanned by certain elements of third wave and fourth and fifth waves of feminism that's true
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but definitely historically women have definitely been discriminated against and so have many men i
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really think that feminism it's all the same wave um i think it is it and always has been a hate group
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always yeah because it started in 1888 in seneca falls new york um and the first anti-suffragists
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they planned assassinations um they yeah true people don't realize that yeah people like they
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weren't this like peaceful group that people think about um so yeah i think it's always been the same
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movement which is freedom we want the freedom without the responsibility and it started with
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the right to vote because they wanted the freedom of voting without the responsibility of having any skin
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in the game and i think it always started with wanting to destruct the family because if you look at
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the anti-suffragists um which like if you look at their writings about why they didn't want to vote
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they would talk about how um this was the beginning of the destruction of the family
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because before then you trusted your husband um you trusted his leadership and so that it was in
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they're right it was the beginning of the destruction of the family because the policies that feminism has
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placed and caused has eroded the family in the west i probably wouldn't go to that extreme that it was
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based on hey i think there was a legitimate um you know need for women to have some level of
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emancipation because at some point they were the property of their husbands how they could do
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whatever they want with them i mean there are some things where women couldn't say anything about it
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i mean you see in islamic cultures now well the islamic culture is only a bit it's pretty much where
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victorian culture was in some instance so i think there was a genuine need by women to free themselves
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and give them the opportunities to be all they could be in life i mean i i think there was a fringe
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probably i think you could my argument isn't was it was it needed or not needed my my argument is it was
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always freedom without responsibility at the expense of men and so when when it starts with the vote
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it was the freedom of voting without the responsibility of going to war so if you elect
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someone bat shit crazy into power who who has to deal with that consequence the men not the women
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and i know some people argue we don't go to war today which is you know that's a fair argument but
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when it started it was freedom without responsibility at the expense of men
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this is good do you yeah i think it might be i'll tell you what i'll tell you a little bit i think
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they've been pioneering women that have paved the way for you to have a show like yours that's that
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successful and they had to sacrifice a lot for you to be there and i think legitimately they did it in
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order to really have freedom i think even they would be appalled at how far it's gone today well and
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i and i think that's always what people say like how how do you have these thoughts when you have a
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podcast like of course i benefit individually but when i when i look at things as a society do i think
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that ultimately that was good those policies that feminism has passed as a society you know i can
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acknowledge i have individual benefits that benefit me individually that i don't think have helped
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a society by at large yeah no and i and for me i would defend to death your right to say that and
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that's what i love about what you do people may not agree with everything you say but i love the
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fact you say it because it starts this discourse this conversation that's going on i do believe a
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lot of the movement right now is causing a lot more harm you know we need fathers back in the home
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we've seen the harm that's done we need a lot more why are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater
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there was a lot of traditions that were great why are we getting rid of them and some women are not
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happy well and we don't we act like we don't need men i mean even the fact that we have envy like
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women getting in vitro fertilization without without having a husband it's like you're acting
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like you don't need a father to raise a child and that's not important yeah that's yeah absolutely
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