JustPearlyThings - Debate on the Grey Area of Feminism

00:00:00.000 like i feel like women get put in positions they're actually not qualified for and they're 1.00

00:00:03.480 not the best person for the job because of quotas and diversity hires yeah some some 100 that's 0.67

00:00:09.160 for sure that does happen that's for sure but also women or people of color do have to prove 1.00

00:00:13.860 themselves more in order to be getting taken seriously no i just think as for women in my

00:00:20.460 experience i don't think there's any disadvantage and most of the girls i know that complain about 0.99

00:00:24.580 it are just kind of lazy to be honest i don't agree with you perra i get you but i don't agree

00:00:28.700 with you given that i'm with my partner and sometimes i go for what he's going for i put

00:00:33.580 my hands up i don't speak as perfect english and i'm not intelligent as much as he is but there's a

00:00:38.660 lot of positions that he gets picked when i don't you know maybe he's just better he is unfortunately

00:00:44.460 yes that's right but there's sometimes when they give him chances but give me a chance to just prove

00:00:49.940 that i'm better or maybe i'm equal in some there is a lot of places that i'm quite equal but i feel

00:00:56.940 like it's like a mindset thing like if i if i get passed up for a job with a dude like i'm not

00:01:01.460 going to think it's because of my gender i'm thinking i'm going to think it's because i'm not

00:01:04.240 good enough yeah but that's what i mean there's two different things at play one there is a

00:01:07.660 disadvantage for some people in society whether it's based on your race whatever it might be even

00:01:12.160 height they've showed studies about that but i think the second thing is who are you in the face

00:01:17.200 of that and that's what you're alluding to yeah so i don't care there are times of course i mean

00:01:20.900 i've grown up as a young black boy how many times i got stopped by police of course statistically i knew

00:01:24.820 there was more i have friends that would walk around whatever in their pockets they never get

00:01:28.040 stopped as i do i get it it's a reality but my thing is who are you going to be in the face of

00:01:32.540 it that's the difference so i recognize that society does treat different people differently

00:01:37.300 that's that's just true but my thing is i don't do the victim thing because of it and i think that's

00:01:41.360 what you're talking about you're not a victim in fact i actually turn it on his head because it 0.93

00:01:45.200 happens i'm gonna go even harder that's it you know i was brought up told you're black you're gonna

00:01:48.340 have to work three times as hard and so i did yeah i'm not gonna complain oh why do i have to

00:01:52.280 work three times and i will and it's given me an advantage this advantage gives you an advantage

00:01:58.060 you see it with like rappers now they're hungry because of where they come from they mean it when

00:02:02.280 they say get rich or die trying so there are discrimination against them but it makes them

00:02:05.680 what i don't like is victim culture but i just i think that society openly discriminates against men way

00:02:11.380 more than women and that like and i think if that wasn't the case like there wouldn't be quotas in 1.00

00:02:16.180 these jobs yeah like i think people want women in leadership positions because in a lot of 1.00

00:02:20.880 companies they have diversity hires true but that's quite a recent thing i would say probably

00:02:25.180 isn't in the last generation i mean it's been implemented since like the 60 at least in the

00:02:29.180 u.s since the 60s and 70s generation or two yeah but that's i mean i'm i'm 26 so that's two of two of

00:02:35.140 my lifetimes that's quite a long time to me it's the pendulum thing isn't it i think it's strong too

00:02:40.840 far now it's just sounds like let's get someone diverse in there even though they're not i mean i think of

00:02:45.080 our i'm bad that i say about our chancellor that caused an absolute nightmare i wonder if he was

00:02:49.520 fussed in that position next thing you know he had the most terrible him and the prime minister

00:02:53.640 list trust you know that's an example i think where people just put into position because of

00:02:57.320 i can agree it's interesting when you say the pendulum swinging i actually don't really see it like

00:03:02.060 women were discriminated against like ever because i just think that we had different roles like we 1.00

00:03:06.920 could say that men were discriminated against because they had to go to war we didn't have to go to war

00:03:10.920 like i just think society was set up differently i don't think it's discrimination in that i mean

00:03:14.500 give an example for instance right if it wasn't for the fact that men went to war women would never 0.95

00:03:19.440 have been allowed in these industrial jobs it's not discrimination it's just a limitation based on

00:03:23.600 an assumption of you're a woman you can't do it it's true you know or you're black you can't do it 0.99

00:03:28.320 well i mean i think when it comes to war like we can't no but women did women did fill the 1.00

00:03:33.340 positions that men left behind i was talking about war oh actually going out and fighting i mean

00:03:37.320 me and you could fight you're even if i'm the strongest woman you're gonna win 1.00

00:03:40.900 physically yeah i mean there are some female soldiers out there that run rings around some 1.00

00:03:46.380 men if women were doing so well in the military they wouldn't continually lower the requirements 0.99

00:03:50.280 for them to like they literally had to lower the requirement for us to become a seal

00:03:56.200 i think when it's physically like that but definitely in society there have been instances where people

00:04:00.320 have not been given a chance because of an assumption about what they were capable of and when they

00:04:05.420 were given that chance you could see that they excelled i mean there was a time the nba wasn't

00:04:09.300 full of black players you know there were times for instance we've got a friend who's a black

00:04:13.200 football agent there was a time that was unheard of there was a time when women weren't seen able 1.00

00:04:18.080 to run a football club and yeah i'm just talking about gender though so what i was talking about

00:04:23.860 was when i just don't think women were ever really discriminated against i think society was different

00:04:28.160 i don't know i i think because do you find discrimination what's the definition of

00:04:34.980 discrimination well like earning differentials right even in the modern day it's treated differently

00:04:39.160 because of their gender isn't it really well i come from a culture when it's the opposite to the west 1.00

00:04:44.880 right now women do get abused i was about to say these are the people that i know personally

00:04:49.900 the man will cheat she can't say any word and she will get hit and there's no one's going to stand

00:04:55.420 for her she goes to the parents and they're like shush stay in the marriage you've got kids and 1.00

00:05:00.000 you're not coming back to us i'm talking about in the west i don't know what but that's what i'm

00:05:05.020 saying we could do different right but that's when he says that it's been shifted right so there's a

00:05:11.140 lot of women right happened because of that because that was like a hundred years ago here so the 1.00

00:05:16.880 women stood and raised their voice but it became quite toxic right now and i think what's really

00:05:21.900 missing is balance yeah that's what you don't but yeah there definitely was a time when women 1.00

00:05:25.860 were discriminated if it's happening and it wasn't just along and gender lines it was on class lines

00:05:30.160 there was a time for instance where working class guys couldn't vote so there's always been a sense

00:05:33.980 where power's been concentrated in the hands of whatever privilege it was and that the other had

00:05:39.320 to fight for that oh they can actually do it that's my point is like it wasn't it was about like roles

00:05:43.820 and responsibilities like it wasn't just open discrimination i mean it was but it wasn't like

00:05:48.860 for example like they always talk about how women couldn't vote but the majority of women didn't

00:05:52.800 want to vote like if they asked them they polled them and the majority of women didn't want to vote 1.00

00:05:57.040 because it came with being drafted and so how it's it's not really discrimination it's roles and

00:06:01.940 responsibilities where the men were responsible for protecting where the women were responsible

00:06:06.100 for staying at home but before women got their suffrage wasn't it the case that men who were

00:06:10.780 fighting also didn't went didn't have a chance to vote so i don't the majority of people didn't have the

00:06:15.280 chance to vote i don't remember exactly how it was structured it's been it's been a bit since i've

00:06:19.380 looked at it but like i actually because there was always this narrative that like women were 1.00

00:06:23.060 oppressed and put down and that's always what i thought until i found out um i started researching

00:06:27.480 the anti-suffragates or whatever they were called um and they were basically like women that were 0.79

00:06:31.960 against um women voting and i because i was like why on earth would women not want the right to vote and

00:06:37.360 it turned out it was because it came with the responsibility because when you think about it you're voting at

00:06:41.860 least in the u.s for the commander-in-chief so that's the person that's in charge of the army

00:06:45.640 so it kind of makes sense for you to have some skin in the game but you don't think that historically

00:06:49.740 women weren't discriminated against and you know look at look at forget like even war but you say 0.94

00:06:54.580 women authors had to come out as men in order to be taken seriously women photographers had to pretend 1.00

00:06:59.200 they were men in order to be taken seriously there have been time and time again instances in

00:07:03.020 in society where women had to pretend to be men in order to be taken seriously i mean same with 0.98

00:07:07.400 the first female doctor i believe it was in france i think i think if you had to pick women by and

00:07:12.960 large being discriminated against and men by and large being discriminated against i would say men

00:07:17.120 were discriminated against more yeah but so you're comparing men and women i'm just because then it

00:07:22.100 becomes our men have had it worse than women and it becomes this battle i'm talking just purely in

00:07:26.080 terms of you know women have been discriminated against and so have men has there ever been discrimination

00:07:30.720 ever sure but do i do i think it's like this narrative that by and large like women had such a 0.78

00:07:35.700 horrible life and we're oppressed and all of this stuff like no i agree with you i think that's

00:07:40.180 been fanned by certain elements of third wave and fourth and fifth waves of feminism that's true 1.00

00:07:44.800 but definitely historically women have definitely been discriminated against and so have many men i

00:07:49.280 really think that feminism it's all the same wave um i think it is it and always has been a hate group 0.87

00:07:53.980 always yeah because it started in 1888 in seneca falls new york um and the first anti-suffragists

00:08:00.800 they planned assassinations um they yeah true people don't realize that yeah people like they

00:08:05.640 weren't this like peaceful group that people think about um so yeah i think it's always been the same

00:08:10.640 movement which is freedom we want the freedom without the responsibility and it started with

00:08:14.020 the right to vote because they wanted the freedom of voting without the responsibility of having any skin

00:08:17.740 in the game and i think it always started with wanting to destruct the family because if you look at

00:08:21.740 the anti-suffragists um which like if you look at their writings about why they didn't want to vote

00:08:26.680 they would talk about how um this was the beginning of the destruction of the family

00:08:31.300 because before then you trusted your husband um you trusted his leadership and so that it was in

00:08:36.520 they're right it was the beginning of the destruction of the family because the policies that feminism has 1.00

00:08:41.500 placed and caused has eroded the family in the west i probably wouldn't go to that extreme that it was

00:08:50.620 based on hey i think there was a legitimate um you know need for women to have some level of 1.00

00:08:56.500 emancipation because at some point they were the property of their husbands how they could do 0.96

00:09:00.260 whatever they want with them i mean there are some things where women couldn't say anything about it 1.00

00:09:04.320 i mean you see in islamic cultures now well the islamic culture is only a bit it's pretty much where

00:09:08.800 victorian culture was in some instance so i think there was a genuine need by women to free themselves

00:09:13.400 and give them the opportunities to be all they could be in life i mean i i think there was a fringe

00:09:18.700 probably i think you could my argument isn't was it was it needed or not needed my my argument is it was

00:09:24.440 always freedom without responsibility at the expense of men and so when when it starts with the vote

00:09:29.980 it was the freedom of voting without the responsibility of going to war so if you elect 0.73

00:09:34.280 someone bat shit crazy into power who who has to deal with that consequence the men not the women 1.00

00:09:38.840 and i know some people argue we don't go to war today which is you know that's a fair argument but 0.94

00:09:42.980 when it started it was freedom without responsibility at the expense of men 0.96

00:09:46.520 this is good do you yeah i think it might be i'll tell you what i'll tell you a little bit i think

00:09:55.200 they've been pioneering women that have paved the way for you to have a show like yours that's that 1.00

00:09:59.980 successful and they had to sacrifice a lot for you to be there and i think legitimately they did it in

00:10:07.740 order to really have freedom i think even they would be appalled at how far it's gone today well and

00:10:12.820 i and i think that's always what people say like how how do you have these thoughts when you have a

00:10:16.640 podcast like of course i benefit individually but when i when i look at things as a society do i think

00:10:22.700 that ultimately that was good those policies that feminism has passed as a society you know i can 1.00

00:10:28.360 acknowledge i have individual benefits that benefit me individually that i don't think have helped

00:10:33.280 a society by at large yeah no and i and for me i would defend to death your right to say that and

00:10:39.300 that's what i love about what you do people may not agree with everything you say but i love the

00:10:43.420 fact you say it because it starts this discourse this conversation that's going on i do believe a

00:10:47.600 lot of the movement right now is causing a lot more harm you know we need fathers back in the home 0.94

00:10:53.500 we've seen the harm that's done we need a lot more why are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater 0.62

00:10:57.480 there was a lot of traditions that were great why are we getting rid of them and some women are not 0.98

00:11:01.660 happy well and we don't we act like we don't need men i mean even the fact that we have envy like

00:11:06.040 women getting in vitro fertilization without without having a husband it's like you're acting 1.00

00:11:11.120 like you don't need a father to raise a child and that's not important yeah that's yeah absolutely

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JustPearlyThings - April 15, 2023

Debate on the Grey Area of Feminism

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