JustPearlyThings - DO WOMEN OWE SOCIETY CHILDREN ｜ THE PREGAME SHOW ｜ EP 156

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00:01:04.140 your super chat. So today, we do have a lovely panel. Why don't we go around, everyone, say

00:01:09.400 your name, your age, your relationship status, and let's do your job today. So go ahead.

00:01:15.940 Hi, I'm Onika J. I'm a music artist. I'm 24 and I'm single.

00:01:22.340 My name's Remy Jean. I'm an artist and songwriter, and I am most definitely single.

00:01:30.940 What is most definitely? What's the difference? Okay, wait, I need to know. What is the difference

00:01:37.100 between single and most definitely single?

00:01:40.600 I'm single. I'm going to do what I want. I'm doing exactly what I want, and I'm not explaining

00:01:43.920 myself to nobody. There you go. All right. See, it's like not even looking. You're like,

00:01:48.460 good. I'm just single. Single. All right, go ahead.

00:01:51.760 Hi, I'm Shantanya Beckford. I am a YouTuber and a motivational speaker, and I am 30 years

00:01:56.980 old. Did I already say that? Also, I am married to Jah. Okay. Nice. Thanks. I'm Gigi Tanasi.

00:02:04.540 I'm an artist. I'm 28, and I'm single. I am Dimitri Tukcher. I am 40. I am married with

00:02:13.540 four kids, and I'm the CEO of LJFG Fashion House. I am Mrs. Malcolm James Collins, a.k.a.

00:02:21.660 Simone, and I am definitely married, and together with him, we write books and are

00:02:26.100 pronatalist advocates. What is that? Pronatalist. So, we encourage people who want to have kids 0.90

00:02:31.960 to go for it, and for those who want to have more, to absolutely go for it. Okay. And how

00:02:36.300 do you tell them to go for it? Oh, well. What's like, I'm just curious. What's the encouragement

00:02:41.280 that they need, you know? Honestly, a lot of it's easing up regulation, but also showing how much

00:02:47.180 fun it is, because people mostly talk about how much it sucks. Okay. Okay, cool. Go ahead. 0.90

00:02:51.700 I am Tai Keezy. I'm 31. Didn't want to say my age, but most definitely single, but I am

00:02:59.760 speaking to someone. Okay. And it's going well, but yeah, let's see. Okay. I'm Deca artist.

00:03:06.140 I'm 30 plus, South London, and yeah, man. I'm an artist and a music producer. Thanks for

00:03:14.240 having me here. Okay.

00:03:15.360 My name is Jaden Dominique. I am 27 years old. I'm a singer-songwriter, videographer, photographer,

00:03:22.180 and I own my own business, which is called It's a New Sound. Oh, and I'm single. Yeah.

00:03:28.900 Go ahead.

00:03:29.600 I'm 37. My name is Malcolm Collins. I am Simone Collins' husband. She didn't mention she's

00:03:34.460 pregnant. I was number four right now, and on our podcast, Basecamp, we are always trying to fight

00:03:39.620 the brainwashing in our society that makes you believe it's impossible to find the right person

00:03:45.440 in half these kids. Awesome. This is great for the topic today. So today's topic is, do women 1.00

00:03:55.260 owe society children? So there is a study by Morgan Stanley that says 45% of women are expected

00:04:07.800 to be single and childless by 2030, per a recent projection. In 2019, Morgan Stanley published

00:04:15.020 an article outlining women's impact on the American economy. The number of prime working 1.00

00:04:20.320 age women in the U.S. has been increasing steadily, and most of them are single and completely focused

00:04:26.760 on their career. These women will continue to have a greater representation in the workforce, 0.98

00:04:32.680 helping to boost wages.

00:04:34.420 But these cultural trends are going to have a tremendous impact on the future of American

00:04:43.440 society. Morgan Stanley estimates that 45% of women in their prime working years between

00:04:49.600 the ages of 25 to 44 will be single and childless by the time 2030 arrives. So do women owe society 1.00

00:05:00.200 children?

00:05:04.220 I feel like we owe it to ourselves, to everyone. I feel like it's nature, it's history, it's everything

00:05:16.160 around us, it's life. But to society, no.

00:05:22.720 Okay, so we owe it to ourselves, but not...

00:05:25.740 Yeah, we owe it to ourselves. And obviously, if we are with a partner that we love and we see

00:05:32.720 a future with, and who's going to stand by us, then yeah, I would have a child with that person. I would

00:05:45.200 definitely most want to.

00:05:47.200 Do women owe society anything? 1.00

00:05:49.200 Um...

00:05:50.200 That's a hard one.

00:05:54.200 Uh...

00:05:55.200 Nope.

00:05:56.200 No?

00:05:57.200 Say that again. 0.71

00:05:58.200 It's not...

00:06:00.200 I feel like it can be double-sided though, that's the thing. It's like, there's, we can say, do women owe...

00:06:10.200 But it depends on the context. What could we possibly owe them?

00:06:18.200 Sorry, can I interject?

00:06:19.200 Um, sure, go ahead.

00:06:20.200 All right. Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but when you're saying the word owe, what do you mean by that?

00:06:27.200 Like, cause we don't owe this economy anything.

00:06:31.200 Do you owe anybody anything?

00:06:32.200 No. Nothing.

00:06:33.200 Okay. What about being like a taxpaying, contributing member of society?

00:06:37.200 No, that's legislation. That's legislation.

00:06:39.200 Well, Michael, it goes back to the question, do you owe anything to society?

00:06:43.200 And sorry to cut you.

00:06:44.200 Okay.

00:06:45.200 You were talking about USA. We're in UK. All your reference, all your statistics are from US.

00:06:50.200 Well, the other stat I'm gonna bring up is 1.56 is the birth rate per woman. And it's similar in the UK too.

00:06:57.200 It's similar, but what you was referencing to was from US.

00:07:00.200 Okay, and what's your point?

00:07:01.200 Well, my point is to the fact of, we don't owe anything to anyone.

00:07:05.200 Okay.

00:07:06.200 At any formal being, any person that you see, we don't owe anyone to nothing.

00:07:11.200 Okay.

00:07:12.200 Nobody anything.

00:07:13.200 We do.

00:07:14.200 No one anything.

00:07:15.200 Okay. So what do you think?

00:07:17.200 The word owe is getting my back up.

00:07:20.200 But I feel like that's, if you owe something, that must mean I'm in debt somewhere.

00:07:24.200 You're in debt to someone. That's it.

00:07:25.200 That's it.

00:07:26.200 I'm not in debt nowhere.

00:07:27.200 You didn't choose to be born.

00:07:28.200 First of all, and second of all, I strongly agree that there's a reason why us as women

00:07:35.200 can have children and we're supposed to birth kids.

00:07:38.200 But when I decide to do that, how I decide to do that with who I decide to do that with,

00:07:43.200 I know a lot of people that don't even want to have kids period.

00:07:46.200 So, but for me, a hundred percent, I feel like we're here to, you know, we do need to reproduce, but to owe, definitely not.

00:07:53.200 So how do we have any structure in society if nobody owes anybody anything?

00:07:59.200 Because you know, no society never gave me anything.

00:08:02.200 It's my mom and dad that gave me life and a higher being if you believe in it.

00:08:06.200 Does society give you protection?

00:08:08.200 No.

00:08:09.200 Nothing?

00:08:10.200 Nothing.

00:08:11.200 You can't call the police?

00:08:12.200 The only thing the society gives me for my personal opinion, I'm not talking for everyone.

00:08:16.200 Okay.

00:08:17.200 I'm talking for myself.

00:08:18.200 Okay.

00:08:19.200 The only thing society gives me is debt.

00:08:21.200 Does society give you, how do you, how does society give you debt?

00:08:25.200 Because where I come from, how I grew up, when it comes to protection, it's not the society or the government that protects me.

00:08:33.200 When it comes to feeding me and giving me opportunities, it wasn't the government that giving me opportunities or anything to make me prosper in life.

00:08:43.200 So I don't owe anything to society.

00:08:47.200 Okay.

00:08:48.200 If you talk about my lineage and my lineage and my, where my family comes from, that's something different.

00:08:53.200 Okay.

00:08:54.200 But me as a human being to talk about society, society ain't giving me nothing.

00:08:58.200 If you were, if you were born, if you were born at any other period of history, you might see things a little different.

00:09:03.200 But I'm not.

00:09:04.200 So I only can talk for my truth.

00:09:06.200 Do you understand?

00:09:07.200 So I'm not talking for humanity.

00:09:08.200 I'm talking for me.

00:09:09.200 That's a artist.

00:09:10.200 What do you mean?

00:09:11.200 What do you mean my truth?

00:09:12.200 My truth.

00:09:13.200 Like I said.

00:09:14.200 Like, isn't there just the truth?

00:09:15.200 Let me elaborate on this one.

00:09:16.200 Definitely not.

00:09:17.200 Definitely not.

00:09:18.200 There's definitely not just the truth.

00:09:19.200 No.

00:09:20.200 Because how your, your idea of even going back to the word, oh, is going to be completely

00:09:28.200 different to either me or a few other people sitting here today is going to have a complete

00:09:35.200 different idea just because of our heritage and because of where we come from.

00:09:38.200 I feel like you just have to speak for yourself.

00:09:40.200 That's it.

00:09:41.200 That's it.

00:09:42.200 And we should leave that there.

00:09:43.200 Go ahead.

00:09:44.200 I would just like to express a solemn gratitude to Western society for allowing all of us in

00:09:49.200 this room of all different backgrounds, skin colors, ethnicities, religions to sit in

00:09:52.200 a room with a degree of civility without experiencing any sort of a mob attack on any of us or any of

00:09:58.200 us being bought and sold.

00:09:59.200 I think it's a brilliant thing that Western society gave us.

00:10:01.200 And I think we do owe a debt to that, at least at the very least a debt of respect and a debt of gratitude.

00:10:06.200 So I just want to express that.

00:10:07.200 Sorry, sir.

00:10:08.200 What did you mean by bought and sold?

00:10:09.200 I mean that based on my ethnic background and yours, depending on when we were born and

00:10:14.200 where we were born, society would have treated us differently, myself included.

00:10:18.200 Does that make sense?

00:10:19.200 And so we owe tremendous gratitude that we have a Western society.

00:10:23.200 We can have a civil conversation, discourse and pursuit of truth.

00:10:26.200 And I'm going to be honest with you.

00:10:28.200 It doesn't make sense to me.

00:10:30.200 And I'm not going to talk for you.

00:10:31.200 You're talking for me.

00:10:32.200 I'm not talking for you.

00:10:34.200 How is he talking for you?

00:10:35.200 Because you said to me, it makes sense to me.

00:10:37.200 How can you tell me it makes sense?

00:10:38.200 I didn't say that.

00:10:39.200 He said, it makes sense.

00:10:41.200 Like I live my life as a black human being, a young black man in this land.

00:10:46.200 The discrimination that's come upon me is different to you.

00:10:51.200 I'm not going to tell you to digest what I've been through to live your life in any different

00:10:57.200 aspect.

00:10:58.200 Do you get what I mean?

00:10:59.200 I think you're speaking from pain.

00:11:01.200 No, definitely not from pain.

00:11:02.200 It's from reality.

00:11:03.200 But it's my reality.

00:11:04.200 It feels that way.

00:11:05.200 Just my reality, darling.

00:11:06.200 Yeah, of course it's your reality.

00:11:07.200 Yeah, that's it.

00:11:08.200 It's your pain.

00:11:09.200 That's it.

00:11:10.200 Like I'm not globalising anything.

00:11:11.200 Nobody's disputing what you've been through and your reality, but it does sound like it

00:11:16.200 comes from pain.

00:11:17.200 Because what I'm hearing is that society has conditioned us to be selfish.

00:11:21.200 What do you mean you don't owe the world nothing?

00:11:22.200 I don't.

00:11:23.200 Okay, the world owe.

00:11:24.200 You don't like the world.

00:11:25.200 All right.

00:11:26.200 And next.

00:11:27.200 We'll use another word.

00:11:28.200 But you still, as human beings, we have a biological necessity to create with each

00:11:33.200 other.

00:11:34.200 It's just the point.

00:11:35.200 We need to continue this earth.

00:11:36.200 We need to evolve.

00:11:37.200 We need to grow.

00:11:38.200 We need to develop.

00:11:39.200 Our offspring needs to teach us new things.

00:11:40.200 Like that's a very important thing.

00:11:42.200 Like this world is very tough.

00:11:44.200 It's hard.

00:11:45.200 It's so hard for women and for men.

00:11:47.200 Nobody struggles bigger than nobody else.

00:11:48.200 I've probably been through 10 times more than people in this room.

00:11:51.200 But I have a very positive perspective of life.

00:11:54.200 I do owe my society something.

00:11:56.200 If I'm in a room full of you guys, I do owe you something.

00:11:59.200 I do owe you good energy.

00:12:00.200 But that comes with it.

00:12:02.200 Through women comes love.

00:12:03.200 But that was the question, darling.

00:12:04.200 Through women comes love, comes reproduction. 1.00

00:12:07.200 And we do have, it's a biological necessity for us to produce.

00:12:11.200 We're here.

00:12:12.200 We're creators.

00:12:13.200 We're powerful.

00:12:14.200 We're women. 1.00

00:12:15.200 That is one of our biggest things to do.

00:12:17.200 And that's why we've been through the world.

00:12:18.200 And I think that's why my mom's life path on this earth was to be a mother.

00:12:20.200 And she's been through the worst of losing three kids before she had my brother.

00:12:23.200 Then she had my brother.

00:12:24.200 Eighteen years later.

00:12:25.200 Then she lost two more before me.

00:12:26.200 Then she had me.

00:12:27.200 She had to pray at a great stone just to be a mother.

00:12:30.200 And I was born.

00:12:31.200 So I think it's very important that we as women should actually take on that role.

00:12:35.200 That's what we're here to do.

00:12:36.200 This is us.

00:12:37.200 This is our power to love and to grow and to transform life.

00:12:41.200 Like, stop with this selfish thing.

00:12:43.200 I don't know what the world has done to everybody.

00:12:45.200 It's all about me.

00:12:46.200 It's all about me.

00:12:47.200 See where life takes us with that.

00:12:49.200 Why do you think that's such a common mentality that we don't owe society anything?

00:12:53.200 Because we've been conditioned to be selfish.

00:12:55.200 We get so far apart from each other, so torn apart from each other.

00:12:59.200 We don't trust.

00:13:00.200 We're not easy to give our hand.

00:13:02.200 We're not that type of people anymore.

00:13:04.200 We're not trying to connect.

00:13:06.200 If we actually connected, we realize that creation is the biggest part of life.

00:13:10.200 We're in a room of creatives.

00:13:12.200 Like, we can't deny our human necessity and need just because we're selfish,

00:13:16.200 because we care about our career.

00:13:17.200 All these things are not going to be there when we're dead.

00:13:20.200 All it cares about is our soul and what we've left.

00:13:22.200 I think a lot of it is obviously as well to do with our environments.

00:13:25.200 Like, for example, myself growing up in Brazil and then moving to the UK,

00:13:31.200 like, you know, I live in a predominantly Jewish area,

00:13:34.200 and I noticed that the majority of the Jewish families have many, many kids,

00:13:39.200 you know, probably like on average four or five.

00:13:41.200 I don't know. I lose count.

00:13:43.200 But I think obviously it's a hard question to, you know,

00:13:46.200 because the question is directed at women, should they reproduce? 0.99

00:13:49.200 I think definitely because I think we do owe something to society

00:13:53.200 based on what's happened in the past.

00:13:55.200 I think a lot of things are not our fault, but we can be part of that change.

00:13:59.200 I think it's obviously hard for me as a man to be the judge of that.

00:14:03.200 But I'd like to empower and support women where I can.

00:14:07.200 I personally think if I don't have a child, someone else will.

00:14:12.200 So there's always going to be somebody that does.

00:14:15.200 There's always going to be recreation. Always. Personally.

00:14:18.200 Because I'm single. I don't have a child.

00:14:21.200 I genuinely thought at 28 I would have had a kid by now.

00:14:24.200 But my career is more important at the moment.

00:14:28.200 And I do want children, but not right now.

00:14:30.200 But while I'm still focusing on my career,

00:14:32.200 there's a lot of other women getting pregnant right now. Literally. 1.00

00:14:37.200 Yeah, but I think it's actually we're having less kids than ever in history.

00:14:41.200 Yeah.

00:14:42.200 So I guess the question is if the population's collapsing

00:14:45.200 because women aren't having kids, 1.00

00:14:47.200 does it become women's duty to have children? 1.00

00:14:50.200 Do we owe society, do we owe civilization children?

00:14:54.200 Handmaid's Tale.

00:14:55.200 No.

00:14:56.200 I didn't say Handmaid's Tale, but your answer is no.

00:15:00.200 I'll let you go next, but one second.

00:15:01.200 But your answer is no? You don't think so?

00:15:03.200 No.

00:15:04.200 No? Okay. Fair enough. Go ahead.

00:15:06.200 If it turns out that the only way that a cultural group

00:15:09.200 can motivate women to have children is by forcing them, 1.00

00:15:12.200 then the only cultural groups that exist in the future

00:15:15.200 will be the cultural groups that force women to have children.

00:15:18.200 And this is something we're increasingly seeing in places like China.

00:15:21.200 You know, if we see society today as an alliance of disparate cultural groups

00:15:25.200 and we're asking why do so few people have children today,

00:15:28.200 the dominant cultural group, we call that the urban monoculture.

00:15:31.200 It's a culture that's in London, New York, all over the world today.

00:15:34.200 It controls our media, it controls our centers of power.

00:15:36.200 It tells people do what you want, be who you want,

00:15:39.200 search for your happiness and your purpose in the world,

00:15:42.200 but it doesn't tell people to sacrifice.

00:15:44.200 And children require sacrifice.

00:15:47.200 And so what we do with the Pronatalist Foundation,

00:15:49.200 sometimes it makes it so clear by, you know, I could never be a Noah, right?

00:15:54.200 Because I'm like, hey, we want to maintain and hopefully increase

00:15:58.200 this beautiful diversity that makes up our culture today.

00:16:01.200 And then, you know, like if I was Noah, like a unicorn comes up to me

00:16:04.200 and it's like, hey man, like, this is some pretty hateful stuff.

00:16:07.200 You're saying that we need to get fertility rates up.

00:16:09.200 And I'm like, whoa, you don't need to get on the boat.

00:16:11.200 Like I'm just pointing out that in a world of collapsing fertility

00:16:15.200 and to give an idea of how quickly fertility is collapsing. 0.96

00:16:17.200 If, so I started caring about this when I was working in South Korea

00:16:21.200 at South Korea's current fertility rate.

00:16:23.200 If it doesn't continue to go down for every 100 Koreans, 0.91

00:16:25.200 there's going to be six great grandchildren.

00:16:27.200 If the U.S., if we assume that it continues to decline at the rate it did from 2010 to 2020,

00:16:32.200 for every 100 Americans, this is assuming we have a generation every 30 years,

00:16:35.200 for every 100 Americans, there's going to be 4.3 great grandchildren.

00:16:38.200 And so what's so cool about this period in history that we're in

00:16:41.200 is anyone who can motivate intergenerational fertility rates.

00:16:44.200 And when I say intergenerational, you can't just like spam sex and have a bunch of kids or something.

00:16:48.200 You have to love those kids. You have to make them want to continue your culture. 0.55

00:16:53.200 Anyone who's doing that gets to play a role in this future of humanity

00:16:57.200 and gets to play an outsized role due to collapsing fertility rates. 1.00

00:17:02.200 What are the ways that you best see we can motivate people to have more children?

00:17:07.200 The number one thing we need to do is protect any country you go to.

00:17:10.200 You go to the U.K., you go to the U.S., anywhere you go,

00:17:12.200 there's going to be high fertility cultural groups. 1.00

00:17:14.200 The problem is, from the perspective of the urban monoculture,

00:17:17.200 is these groups are deplorable.

00:17:19.200 You know, they are conservative Catholics. 0.92

00:17:21.200 They're conservative evangelicals.

00:17:22.200 They're Orthodox Jews, you know, as he was talking about.

00:17:25.200 And so it sees its job because they're different.

00:17:27.200 You know, anyone who's different from an individual's culture, 0.84

00:17:30.200 it says, we've got to stamp them out.

00:17:32.200 And so it takes their kids and it stamps out their culture

00:17:35.200 and it says, just do whatever you want to be happy in the moment,

00:17:37.200 which none of these older disparate, you know, high fertility traditions, Amish, et cetera, do, you know.

00:17:42.200 And so I think the number one thing we need to do is we need to protect the children of high fertility cultures

00:17:47.200 and in any sort of deviant cultural group that says, look,

00:17:50.200 I want to do things differently than what society is telling me the way to do it.

00:17:53.200 Because I don't think society has things figured out right now.

00:17:55.200 You know, I look at mental health rates.

00:17:56.200 I look at suicide rates.

00:17:57.200 I look at, you know, I don't think that society has the right to say this is the only way to be.

00:18:04.200 And I really love the, you know, the diversity in this room and all of the different ways that people see their ancestry

00:18:10.200 and their obligation to the future.

00:18:12.200 Yeah.

00:18:13.200 I think we should stop birth control as well for young girls.

00:18:15.200 I think that's one of the biggest reasons why.

00:18:17.200 You're on the ban birth control?

00:18:19.200 Oh boy.

00:18:20.200 I'm with it.

00:18:21.200 It's like that way they'll abstain from sex more because I feel like when you just, oh yeah, take the pill.

00:18:25.200 I'll do this.

00:18:26.200 It's all my periods for the pain.

00:18:27.200 No, you're meant to learn.

00:18:28.200 You're meant to go through the pain.

00:18:29.200 That's the whole point of giving birth because that period is literally like a little.

00:18:34.200 Well, and they put them on.

00:18:35.200 It's so young now.

00:18:36.200 It's so young.

00:18:37.200 So when you hear loads of girls say, I have PCOS, I have this, I have that. 0.82

00:18:41.200 You just turned 30.

00:18:42.200 My mom's like, no, Shan, there's women that are like 45 having children in Jamaica, three boys. 0.75

00:18:46.200 Yeah.

00:18:47.200 So what's going on there?

00:18:48.200 If you stop the birth control and girls will get more scared to get pregnant. 0.99

00:18:52.200 So they are staying from more sex.

00:18:53.200 It means that they'll have a better future to actually have kids because everything down there is blessed.

00:18:59.200 Well, and a lot of like, you meet a lot of girls that like end up having fertility problems later and they can't directly link it. 0.95

00:19:07.200 Like you don't know.

00:19:08.200 I mean, they don't know for sure, but I know at least one girl that like she was, she took one of the shots that they gave her like for like a nest. 1.00

00:19:16.200 Like, like the preventative ones or whatever.

00:19:19.200 And yeah, no, she can't have kids. 1.00

00:19:21.200 She's like 40. 0.83

00:19:22.200 And she was actually, she was, she watched me when I was younger.

00:19:25.200 She was so like loving.

00:19:26.200 It's like the saddest thing that she couldn't have children because she would have been a great mom.

00:19:30.200 And it's like, you can't find which one to pinpoint it on because they're not, they don't make it so clear.

00:19:34.200 Yeah.

00:19:35.200 A lot of women feel like that is what it is. 1.00

00:19:37.200 Another lady told me yesterday, I was having this conversation in my broadcast list.

00:19:40.200 She goes that she went to the doctors and because she keeps taking the morning after pill.

00:19:44.200 He said that it was literally like a bomb waiting to explode inside of her.

00:19:48.200 Yeah.

00:19:49.200 The morning after pills.

00:19:50.200 How many did she take?

00:19:51.200 She took like five within a year.

00:19:53.200 I think.

00:19:54.200 Or I don't know.

00:19:56.200 But it was like, but she was like, it's because it's like a bomb.

00:19:59.200 Cause she didn't want to take like the normal type of thing.

00:20:01.200 And she was in a long term relationship.

00:20:03.200 So there's situations that cause that type of thing.

00:20:05.200 But it's like, it was like a bomb.

00:20:07.200 Yeah.

00:20:08.200 It's not good for you.

00:20:09.200 It's even worse than the normal one.

00:20:10.200 Yeah.

00:20:11.200 It's not even, oh, you should have taken that much. 0.99

00:20:13.200 It's just, oh crap. 0.98

00:20:14.200 Like this thing is really bad for us. 0.98

00:20:16.200 There was a girl on my show that was infertile because of Plan B's. 1.00

00:20:19.200 Yeah.

00:20:20.200 She couldn't have kids.

00:20:21.200 I still think there should be a choice though with guys and females. 0.98

00:20:24.200 Like, I feel like it sucks that we've got to go through everything and take contraceptives.

00:20:29.200 When guys should have that option too.

00:20:31.200 I don't think it should be banned.

00:20:33.200 I think there should be choice always.

00:20:35.200 But I guess my question is at what cost?

00:20:39.200 If society is collapsing, right?

00:20:42.200 If we're not replacing the population and they predict we're going to have all these issues in the future.

00:20:47.200 It's like, at what cost do we allow people to choose whatever?

00:20:51.200 I'm not saying I have all the answers, but it's worth a conversation asking, do we allow everything and anything?

00:20:57.200 Yeah, well, I think in terms of going back to your question, do women owe society babies, children? 0.70

00:21:07.200 Yeah.

00:21:08.200 I think the word owe got a lot of people's backs up in there, you know?

00:21:12.200 And I get it.

00:21:13.200 But my personal thing is, do we need to push something back into society for giving us what we have in terms of our livelihoods, our everyday lives, our jobs and blah, blah, blah.

00:21:23.200 Absolutely.

00:21:24.200 Because we need to keep this generation going.

00:21:26.200 So I think the word owe, again, it was a bit of a, you know, just one of those, oh, I don't know, you know, basically where you're coming from.

00:21:34.200 That's why a lot of people was a bit upset with it.

00:21:36.200 But again, I'm a father of two, you know, beautiful boys.

00:21:42.200 Absolutely.

00:21:43.200 And they teach me things every day.

00:21:45.200 And I also teach them things, you know, and I think having children, obviously, it does fall more on the mom, especially when a dad goes to work and everything.

00:21:54.200 So I understand the pressure of it.

00:21:56.200 But again, I only see the beauty in it as, again, coming from a father's point of view.

00:22:00.200 And even the word owe, when you think about it, like, I think you owe society, you know, to be a decent, non-crime committing, tax paying citizen.

00:22:10.200 Yeah.

00:22:11.200 But we can say that freely.

00:22:12.200 No one would argue.

00:22:13.200 But when you ask about children, there's a gut, you know, it's almost too much.

00:22:18.200 Go ahead.

00:22:19.200 I wanted to have some color to like the plan B thing.

00:22:21.200 And there's so many things in our society now where we think that biologically we're the same as like our grandparents were.

00:22:26.200 But, you know, sperm rates have dropped by something like over 50% in the last 51 years.

00:22:31.200 Testosterone's dropped something like 30% in the last 20 years.

00:22:34.200 You know, Simone, if you want to talk about the TIDE studies.

00:22:37.200 Yeah, I'm not really sure if you're familiar with them.

00:22:39.200 TIDES, basically a bunch of longitudinal researchers, looked at the levels of endocrine disruptors in women who are pregnant first trimester.

00:22:48.200 And then they measured a bunch of things with the children they had afterwards.

00:22:51.200 It turns out that the, especially when they were pregnant with boys, they were disproportionately affected by endocrine disruptors,

00:22:56.200 which are in everything from like receipts we're picking up to our shampoo, to our lotion, plastic in our water bottles, etc.

00:23:02.200 And in addition to boys being born with lower what's called anal genital distance taint, when they were age seven, eight, they had lower, we'll say gender dimorphic, lower boy-like play.

00:23:15.200 So they were actually acting less like boys when they were older.

00:23:18.200 So we're seeing a whole generation of young men who've been affected essentially by pollutants in our environment who, who knows how else this is showing up.

00:23:25.200 Probably infertility things like Malcolm alluded to, but I, you know, I think that this should be reframed.

00:23:30.200 It's not about owing.

00:23:31.200 It's also, we have to look at who deserves the future because those who show up for the future are those who inherit it.

00:23:36.200 That's, you know, society is built by those who show up and those women and men who choose to have families and who choose to raise kids are those who deserve the future.

00:23:44.200 And we are here because people who deserved the future chose to represent themselves in it.

00:23:48.200 So, sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt.

00:23:50.200 What do you mean by deserve?

00:23:51.200 Who are you to tell you, me, I deserve a future?

00:23:54.200 We deserve what we get.

00:23:55.200 No, but who are you to tell me?

00:23:57.200 I'm not telling you anything.

00:23:58.200 It sounds like you may not want the future.

00:24:01.200 Hold on, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:24:03.200 I'm asking you a question.

00:24:04.200 From your fairies and what you're saying to me, you're telling me that certain people from the aspects of life, they don't deserve a future. 0.99

00:24:14.200 Who are you to tell me that?

00:24:16.200 We're simply telling you, you won't be in the future.

00:24:18.200 I wasn't asking you, my friend.

00:24:19.200 I was asking your missus.

00:24:20.200 I want to know her aspects.

00:24:22.200 I'm not asking you, my brother.

00:24:23.200 I'm asking you, my sister, so I can understand women on a global aspect. 0.95

00:24:29.200 What do you mean by that?

00:24:31.200 Well, he and I are the same person, essentially.

00:24:32.200 I understand that, but I'm not associating you two as the same person.

00:24:38.200 So you have to respect that as me, because you're a woman and he's a man.

00:24:42.200 I think you're kind of moving the goalposts.

00:24:44.200 He answered your question.

00:24:46.200 He didn't.

00:24:47.200 He didn't, pal, because you're telling me certain aspects, but I want to know where.

00:24:52.200 Okay, the people that deserve the future are the ones that have kids.

00:24:55.200 Why?

00:24:56.200 Why do you believe that?

00:24:57.200 Because no one else will be, because I'm going to answer, because no one else will be there.

00:25:03.200 But God give you free will.

00:25:05.200 We know.

00:25:06.200 Are you a robot of God?

00:25:09.200 But we live in a land that is obliged by the Magna Carta, the God's law.

00:25:15.200 We're in England right now.

00:25:17.200 I want to see where this goes.

00:25:19.200 It's not what I'm talking about.

00:25:20.200 It's just the law of the land that I'm trying to live by.

00:25:23.200 Okay.

00:25:24.200 So if you all believe in certain things, how can that resonate with me?

00:25:29.200 Okay.

00:25:30.200 Okay.

00:25:31.200 Do you deserve a job if you don't get it?

00:25:33.200 I'll create my own job.

00:25:34.200 No.

00:25:35.200 I'm self-employed.

00:25:36.200 Okay.

00:25:37.200 Okay.

00:25:38.200 Do you deserve a job if you don't get the job?

00:25:39.200 What do you mean?

00:25:40.200 Elaborate.

00:25:41.200 It's a pretty simple question.

00:25:42.200 It's not.

00:25:43.200 It's not.

00:25:44.200 It's very simple.

00:25:45.200 Do you deserve a job if you apply for a job and you don't get that job?

00:25:48.200 Well, if you meet the credentials.

00:25:50.200 Do you deserve a job if you don't get the job?

00:25:52.200 Well, if your credentials meet the credentials.

00:25:53.200 Please, yes or no.

00:25:54.200 Do you deserve a job?

00:25:55.200 Do you deserve a job?

00:25:56.200 Do you deserve a job?

00:25:57.200 If your credentials meet, the credentials are the job.

00:25:59.200 Yes, you do deserve the job.

00:26:00.200 Why would you deserve it if you didn't get it?

00:26:05.200 It's your decision.

00:26:06.200 But see, that's entitlement.

00:26:07.200 It's your choice.

00:26:08.200 And that's why I said God gave you free will.

00:26:10.200 So just like if I go for a job like me and my brother next to me and we have the same

00:26:15.200 characteristics and the same qualifications, it's for you to decide who you want to take

00:26:21.200 that position.

00:26:22.200 What two people have the same characteristics?

00:26:25.200 There's a lot of people.

00:26:27.200 There's a lot of people that go for the same job that come from the same area that have

00:26:32.200 the same characteristics.

00:26:33.200 Because the majority of the characteristics we have.

00:26:36.200 The exact same characteristics.

00:26:38.200 No.

00:26:39.200 Similar.

00:26:40.200 Characteristics.

00:26:41.200 But one would be...

00:26:42.200 But it's not characteristics that get you the job, doesn't it?

00:26:45.200 It's your...

00:26:46.200 I would hire the guy in a nicer suit just because he showed up ready and professional.

00:26:50.200 Okay.

00:26:51.200 That's my take on it.

00:26:52.200 So you hire me then, right?

00:26:53.200 Exactly.

00:26:54.200 So I'll get the job.

00:26:55.200 Yeah.

00:26:56.200 Okay.

00:26:57.200 But away from getting the job, it's what your core foundations are.

00:27:02.200 And what you believe in.

00:27:03.200 And what...

00:27:04.200 Can I...

00:27:05.200 Yeah.

00:27:06.200 Can I expect to talk to your point?

00:27:07.200 I thought it was really interesting what he said is that, like, the sporic populations

00:27:10.200 tend to, like, be over-represented in the population because they have more kids.

00:27:13.200 And there's, like, a really interesting, like, thesis behind that, right?

00:27:16.200 Because, you know, look at, like, a lot of the problems we have with society today can be distilled down to one variable.

00:27:22.200 And I'll tell you what the variable is, but let me build up to it, right?

00:27:24.200 Like, we say, oh, we have too much carbon.

00:27:26.200 And that comes back to too much people.

00:27:28.200 You know, we have too much consumption of meat.

00:27:30.200 And that comes back to too many people eating meat.

00:27:32.200 Let's feed them bugs. 1.00

00:27:33.200 We have too many kids.

00:27:35.200 Let's give everybody birth control. 1.00

00:27:36.200 Everything comes back to humans are the problem.

00:27:40.200 Mm-hmm.

00:27:41.200 And that's what we see in the big cities.

00:27:42.200 But the populations he's talking about, they're not saying humans are the problem.

00:27:46.200 They're saying humans are the point.

00:27:48.200 Got it.

00:27:49.200 So why are we?

00:27:50.200 So it's like, and this goes back to the issue of, like, do I owe anything to anyone, right?

00:27:54.200 Exactly.

00:27:55.200 And I was kind of thinking about it this morning.

00:27:57.200 Like, you know, we all serve somebody or something.

00:27:59.200 Maybe you serve God.

00:28:00.200 Maybe you serve your boss, your spouse. 0.59

00:28:02.200 Maybe you just serve yourself.

00:28:03.200 Fine.

00:28:04.200 You know, we're going to go from Ayn Rand all the way to the most, you know, theological views.

00:28:08.200 We all serve somebody.

00:28:09.200 But servitude without gratitude is resentment.

00:28:11.200 Facts.

00:28:12.200 And so the point to me is, like, I don't owe anybody anything.

00:28:15.200 And I look at it and I think, like, well, you probably owe your tailor a little bit.

00:28:18.200 Because he's making you look sharp, doesn't he?

00:28:21.200 Is that not fair?

00:28:22.200 You probably owe Pearl.

00:28:23.200 Hang on.

00:28:24.200 You probably owe Pearl for giving you this platform to talk to the world and share your views.

00:28:27.200 Of course.

00:28:28.200 Gratitude is gratitude.

00:28:29.200 Gratitude is gratitude.

00:28:30.200 I just wanted to say.

00:28:31.200 Hold on, brother.

00:28:32.200 Sure.

00:28:33.200 Hold on, brother.

00:28:34.200 Pick your words.

00:28:36.200 Really pick your words specifically.

00:28:38.200 English literature is a dangerous thing.

00:28:40.200 Like, you're telling me, oh, I don't owe no one nothing.

00:28:44.200 You're telling me to give gratitude.

00:28:46.200 Gratitude is different because you need owing someone.

00:28:49.200 I postulate the gratitude and...

00:28:51.200 Gratitude and owing.

00:28:52.200 The gratitude and debt.

00:28:54.200 Owing, this means I'm obliged to pay you something.

00:28:57.200 And I'm not obliged.

00:28:58.200 I think you owe a lot of people.

00:29:00.200 I think you owe your community something.

00:29:02.200 Why?

00:29:03.200 Why?

00:29:04.200 Because society's better when you're selfless and it's not a me, me, me culture.

00:29:08.200 What is society?

00:29:09.200 Explain to me.

00:29:10.200 Do you owe anything to yourself?

00:29:11.200 Do you owe anything to yourself?

00:29:12.200 No, I don't think to myself.

00:29:13.200 I'm a very spiritual person.

00:29:15.200 I go to church every Saturday and I pray and I give homage to my ancestors and my forefathers.

00:29:22.200 But what do I owe anyone?

00:29:24.200 Be careful what you're talking about and what you're saying.

00:29:28.200 I do not owe anyone nothing.

00:29:30.200 Do you owe God something, right?

00:29:32.200 Okay.

00:29:33.200 Yeah.

00:29:34.200 That's something different from a being.

00:29:36.200 No, it's not.

00:29:37.200 Yes, it is.

00:29:38.200 It isn't.

00:29:39.200 Yeah, it is.

00:29:40.200 Because God is the Elohim. 0.98

00:29:41.200 Don't tell me what my perspective is on life.

00:29:43.200 But it's still owing.

00:29:44.200 I'm not talking about humanity.

00:29:46.200 I'm talking about myself.

00:29:47.200 Timmy Grant.

00:29:48.200 I'm going to let him go.

00:29:50.200 Go ahead.

00:29:51.200 I think that we can say like, okay, who deserves to be in the future?

00:29:54.200 And I think that that's even the wrong question.

00:29:56.200 Who is going to be in the future?

00:29:58.200 God gave us one of the most beautiful gifts.

00:30:01.200 You can't just decide not to die.

00:30:03.200 The greatest gift he gave us, or one of the greatest, is death.

00:30:06.200 And it's one of the greatest gifts he gave us in this intergenerational cycle we get to be a part of.

00:30:11.200 Because I get to look everywhere in the world and find anyone I want to.

00:30:15.200 The best person I want to.

00:30:16.200 To mix my genes with.

00:30:17.200 To fix my flaws.

00:30:18.200 And then I get to give the next iteration of myself any childhood I want to.

00:30:23.200 The best childhood I can imagine for them.

00:30:24.200 And then on top of all that, I get to tell them what I believe.

00:30:28.200 And the most beautiful thing is they can say, no, you believe that because of some prejudice due to when you were growing up.

00:30:34.200 Or some bias due to your childhood.

00:30:36.200 The slate gets wiped clean.

00:30:38.200 And they can improve upon me in a way that I could never improve upon myself.

00:30:43.200 And that's why I love this cycle.

00:30:45.200 And I think that to talk about it in terms of what's owed or what not owed, we're just trying to point out that if you don't have kids, then if you can work to help your brother raise their kids, then people like you might exist in the future, right?

00:30:57.200 But then to stay stable, your brother has to have five, six kids and you need to be helping with that.

00:31:01.200 You can't be helping with your brother's two kids because then there's going to be half of you in the future between you and your brother.

00:31:05.200 No, no, I'm interjecting with that.

00:31:07.200 Why can't you be the best uncle?

00:31:09.200 Sorry, pal.

00:31:10.200 Why can't you be the best uncle and not the best dad?

00:31:13.200 You have one rule.

00:31:14.200 You don't need to be best dad.

00:31:15.200 Stop, stop, stop, stop.

00:31:16.200 No, you can be a great uncle.

00:31:18.200 What I'm saying is if you're a great uncle and you want to be stable in a population, so 2.1 is a stable fertility rate.

00:31:23.200 So that means you would need to be a great uncle to a sibling with five kids.

00:31:28.200 Okay, my brother.

00:31:29.200 So say if you couldn't have children.

00:31:31.200 So say if your sperm count and all of that stuff was not scientifically imbalanced.

00:31:38.200 Okay, I need you.

00:31:39.200 So what next?

00:31:40.200 Are you not adequate?

00:31:41.200 I need you to stop interrupting everybody.

00:31:44.200 I need you to stop interrupting everybody.

00:31:45.200 I'm sorry.

00:31:46.200 I'm passionate for what I'm talking about.

00:31:47.200 I understand you're passionate, but you need to control your emotions.

00:31:50.200 Let him talk.

00:31:51.200 By the way, you made a really interesting point about the number you need to reproduce in

00:31:56.200 order to keep the population stable, 2.1.

00:31:58.200 And there's a few logical steps here.

00:32:00.200 I'm not going to go too deep into it.

00:32:02.200 But there's a fundamentally big difference between a dad and an uncle.

00:32:05.200 There's a lot of ways to be a bad dad.

00:32:07.200 There's only one way to be a bad uncle.

00:32:09.200 So let's raise the bar.

00:32:10.200 Okay.

00:32:11.200 What do you mean by that though, bro?

00:32:14.200 But I want to be clear.

00:32:15.200 You want me to explain how you'd be a bad uncle?

00:32:16.200 Yeah, I really do want to understand because that's what it's about.

00:32:19.200 That's what we're here.

00:32:20.200 I'm not trying to argue.

00:32:21.200 I'm trying to understand.

00:32:22.200 So in my life, I'm the best person I can be.

00:32:26.200 I want to be clear.

00:32:28.200 You know, when we talk about, you know, having kids and stuff like that, it's not just for

00:32:31.200 me.

00:32:32.200 It is hard to find a partner out there in the world today. 0.71

00:32:34.200 If you're a young guy, you know, people hear me and they go, wow, you're black built.

00:32:37.200 And I saw a tweet and I totally agree that being in a happy relationship as a millennial,

00:32:41.200 it feels like catching the last chopper out of Nam.

00:32:43.200 You know, it is hard out there.

00:32:45.200 Okay.

00:32:46.200 And there are some people who just do to something totally outside of their control,

00:32:49.200 not even like they're infertile.

00:32:51.200 Maybe they're short, right?

00:32:52.200 And they just can't get a partner.

00:32:54.200 Maybe, you know, who knows?

00:32:55.200 It's hard out there.

00:32:56.200 And there are ways that you can contribute to your community and make it easier for the

00:33:01.200 people in your community who want to exist in the future.

00:33:03.200 It is not for everyone to be a father or a mother.

00:33:06.200 There are many ways we can contribute to the next generation.

00:33:09.200 I just encourage people to think about that.

00:33:11.200 Like, how can I contribute to my community instead of how can I, you know, chase the Joneses

00:33:16.200 on, you know, TikTok and all these vanity marketplaces we have where we can pair ourselves.

00:33:21.200 So you've just answered the question, bro.

00:33:22.200 You've answered the question.

00:33:23.200 I was going to say...

00:33:24.200 So no one don't owe no one for nothing.

00:33:25.200 Can I say...

00:33:26.200 I was literally about to say, I'm so happy you said that because I feel like it's so

00:33:30.200 important to pinpoint that it's bigger than just having a baby.

00:33:34.200 Like, it's bigger than just getting pregnant.

00:33:37.200 And then, like, it's about finding somebody.

00:33:40.200 Me personally, I'm not having no kids until I'm married.

00:33:42.200 Like, and I stand by that.

00:33:43.200 Like, it's not happening.

00:33:44.200 There's no way around it.

00:33:45.200 So if I don't find my man, and that's my husband, and I know that, you know, this is

00:33:50.200 the person that, okay, cool.

00:33:51.200 You're ready to have kids with me.

00:33:52.200 You must be ready to marry me also.

00:33:54.200 Do you get it?

00:33:55.200 Because I'm not about to raise no child by myself.

00:33:56.200 It's not happening.

00:33:57.200 I don't care how stable I am.

00:33:59.200 I don't care what point in life I'm at.

00:34:01.200 So it's bigger than just having a baby.

00:34:03.200 And I feel like a lot for a lot of women as well. 1.00

00:34:05.200 Like, a lot of the reason why women don't want to have kids, it stems from trauma. 1.00

00:34:09.200 You watch your mother grow up as a single mother.

00:34:11.200 Like, you haven't had any good representations of good marriages around you.

00:34:15.200 Like, it's bigger than just having a baby.

00:34:18.200 So I feel like, yeah, I'm very happy.

00:34:20.200 My mum says, to quote my mother, because she's just so wise.

00:34:24.200 Oh my God, what a woman. 1.00

00:34:25.200 She goes, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother. 0.97

00:34:27.200 That's what she always tells me.

00:34:28.200 That's such a Caribbean thing, you know.

00:34:30.200 But they're right.

00:34:31.200 She says, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother.

00:34:34.200 So at the end of the day, like.

00:34:36.200 Yeah, but a good mother or a bad mother. 1.00

00:34:38.200 What do you mean?

00:34:39.200 Because bad mothers, bad mothers create bad children and it's evolution. 1.00

00:34:43.200 Yeah, 100%.

00:34:44.200 We get all of that.

00:34:45.200 But what she's just trying to say was just a simple,

00:34:48.200 What she's trying to say was just one simple term.

00:34:52.200 From when you're a woman, you're a mother.

00:34:55.200 Meaning that we just have a natural disposition to love.

00:34:58.200 Okay, this is going to be your final warning.

00:35:00.200 Please stop interrupting everybody.

00:35:02.200 Go ahead, go.

00:35:03.200 It's just a natural inclination to just love and to take care.

00:35:06.200 Like when we saw the dog running around, what did all the girls do? 1.00

00:35:09.200 Oh, we're ready to take the dog.

00:35:11.200 Other boys did that too.

00:35:12.200 Of course, because they have that paternal thing.

00:35:14.200 But we're just more extra with it.

00:35:17.200 You know what I mean?

00:35:18.200 Can I just say one thing to your plate though?

00:35:20.200 I think it's been difficult to say this because I think obviously you guys make all great points here in the room and it's good to have different opinions.

00:35:27.200 But from speaking to a lot of women, I'd like to say I've been fairly successful as a man.

00:35:34.200 You know, maybe not in terms of relationships, but in terms of friendships and just building trust with a lot of people.

00:35:40.200 And the conversations I have living in London, you know, some metropolitan city, a lot of people have careers and I feel like they're so pressured these days.

00:35:48.200 And I feel like, you know, society is making it so difficult for people to actually want to, you know, have kids.

00:35:55.200 It is very difficult.

00:35:56.200 You know, growing up, watching our mothers struggle.

00:35:58.200 You know, that's a major one.

00:36:00.200 You're talking about trauma, right?

00:36:02.200 So I think when we're talking about owing something, I think we do owe, you know, every, you know, we owe something to someone or to the community, to society.

00:36:11.200 But I think the government should make it a little bit easier for people.

00:36:14.200 I think it's very expensive and it is scary.

00:36:17.200 Like, you know, a lot of people that want to have kids, I think they probably think they can't afford to have kids.

00:36:21.200 Okay, that's, no, the government should not make it easier for people.

00:36:23.200 That is not the government's responsibility.

00:36:25.200 And I want to talk about-

00:36:26.200 We're already very spoiled in this country already.

00:36:28.200 There's a lot of people struggling though.

00:36:30.200 No, no, this is what, I agree with what you said, but I want to get a little granular.

00:36:34.200 And I want to ask you in a second, but if I may, because we talk about the concept of ownership.

00:36:38.200 Like, do I owe it to the world to be a mother?

00:36:40.200 And you said, well, maybe the government should make it easier.

00:36:42.200 And that completely voiced that over to the responsibility that men have.

00:36:46.200 So I asked the guys the question here, just the guys, do you owe it to the world to be productive?

00:36:53.200 Do you owe it to the world to have the best version of yourself?

00:36:58.200 Do you owe it to the world to build institutions?

00:37:00.200 Do you owe it to the world to conduct yourself with integrity and character?

00:37:04.200 And do you owe it to the world to be a trustworthy, respectable man?

00:37:07.200 Yes or no?

00:37:08.200 So I'm going to twist this question a bit in line of what's been said here.

00:37:11.200 No, no, no.

00:37:12.200 That was step one of step like two.

00:37:14.200 I just want to say, you know, I think a lot of guys, they try to be pronatalists, right?

00:37:17.200 And they're like, I'm just going to go out there and have a lot of kids, right?

00:37:20.200 But pronatalism is about culture.

00:37:22.200 If I just go out there and I have a lot of kids and I don't treat my wife like a queen. 0.93

00:37:25.200 If my daughters don't grow up wanting to be moms because of the way they see their mom live, then I have failed.

00:37:32.200 And if I treat my wife and my sons see that, then they're going to treat their wives that way and their daughters.

00:37:39.200 Yes.

00:37:40.200 And this is what Pernatalism is about.

00:37:41.200 It's about rethinking as a society what it means to be married to somebody.

00:37:45.200 Exactly.

00:37:46.200 What it means to sacrifice for somebody.

00:37:48.200 Because that's what I owe all of this to is her.

00:37:50.200 Because she's given up so much for me.

00:37:52.200 I like this guy.

00:37:53.200 He's hard.

00:37:54.200 Come on.

00:37:55.200 I owe it to society.

00:37:56.200 I owe it to my wife.

00:37:57.200 Yeah.

00:37:58.200 But I haven't met her yet.

00:37:59.200 You know what I mean?

00:38:00.200 I haven't met her yet.

00:38:01.200 You owe it to your mom too, though.

00:38:02.200 Yeah, but my mom- 0.99

00:38:03.200 Not just your wife.

00:38:04.200 You don't even have a wife right now.

00:38:05.200 Some of us got some generational curses to break.

00:38:07.200 Listen, and let me tell you where I'm coming from before I get kicked off the show.

00:38:11.200 Yeah?

00:38:12.200 I'm not talking for humanity.

00:38:14.200 I'm talking for myself.

00:38:15.200 You said my mom.

00:38:16.200 My mom's in the sky.

00:38:17.200 She's been dead for like seven years.

00:38:19.200 So be careful what you say and how you say it.

00:38:22.200 Because each individual person are going through their own pains.

00:38:27.200 And their own mental brain processes are different.

00:38:30.200 Everyone's not the same.

00:38:32.200 And that's all I want everyone to understand.

00:38:34.200 We're not the same.

00:38:36.200 Everyone's trying to put us on the same playing field.

00:38:39.200 But we're not the same.

00:38:40.200 That's like water is wet.

00:38:41.200 The sky is blue.

00:38:42.200 Yeah.

00:38:43.200 You're talking in parables.

00:38:45.200 I don't care about parables.

00:38:46.200 A parable?

00:38:47.200 A parable.

00:38:48.200 Water's wet.

00:38:49.200 I don't really understand that.

00:38:51.200 The sky is blue.

00:38:52.200 But the sky is a reflection of the sea.

00:38:55.200 Can we go back to the point where like if we got help, we would actually reproduce?

00:38:59.200 Because for example, you always see footballers at like 25 with bare kids.

00:39:03.200 Yeah.

00:39:04.200 And it's because they can afford it.

00:39:05.200 They can actually give that child a really good life that they may never have had.

00:39:08.200 If I had money, I would be on the hunt for a guy and I would be able to focus.

00:39:12.200 I don't think it's money.

00:39:13.200 I think it's that women throw themselves at these guys. 1.00

00:39:16.200 Yeah.

00:39:17.200 Come on.

00:39:18.200 Come on.

00:39:19.200 Come on.

00:39:20.200 It's so nice and easy saying let's reproduce, but people can't afford that.

00:39:23.200 If we have money.

00:39:25.200 I actually I wanna let…

00:39:26.200 Pearl, this was exactly the second point.

00:39:28.200 I was starting a point.

00:39:29.200 Okay, go ahead.

00:39:30.200 And then this dude brilliantly hijacked my point, twisted it into a new point, presented

00:39:33.200 a third point, and gotten applause for it.

00:39:35.200 And got an applause for it, so thanks for stealing

00:39:37.260 my thunder.

00:39:40.000 He's a good dude.

00:39:41.560 So the question

00:39:42.880 I postulate is, do we men

00:39:45.200 owe it to society to be the best

00:39:47.080 versions of ourselves to produce useful labor, to build

00:39:49.200 institutions, right? And if the answer

00:39:51.120 is yes, because it gives us a purpose, to aim

00:39:53.040 for something higher, why is it then

00:39:55.120 that men owe it to society to build

00:39:57.020 institutions? Because building institutions, being

00:39:59.160 reliable, being of high character,

00:40:01.540 being of value, of economic

00:40:03.120 value to society, what you do is you make

00:40:05.200 money. And by the

00:40:07.160 way, the stripes on my suit say make money for that

00:40:09.160 purpose, because it teaches

00:40:11.040 you, it's not supposed to be as

00:40:13.140 reductive as it seems. It's very simple. It just

00:40:15.140 teaches you to be self-reliant and independent,

00:40:16.960 because it's a high purpose to shoot for, to

00:40:19.140 not have to rely on the government. That's all that

00:40:21.200 says. It's like a freedom from government. It's not about relying

00:40:23.120 on the government. I said some people don't have

00:40:25.060 the same opportunities as you. Maybe

00:40:27.140 you grew up in a very nice... I did.

00:40:29.000 I don't know. I'm saying maybe, right?

00:40:31.020 I'm very... Okay, cool. Maybe you didn't.

00:40:33.020 Stop. I'm not done yet.

00:40:34.240 No, let him finish his point.

00:40:35.620 Let me finish my point before you argue my point.

00:40:37.660 You don't know my point.

00:40:38.480 Let him go.

00:40:39.620 You don't know my point.

00:40:40.200 Finish your point, bruv.

00:40:40.880 I grew up in a predominantly social housing ghetto

00:40:43.860 neighborhood because I'm an immigrant from the

00:40:45.360 Soviet Union, and I ate at the food bank, and it was

00:40:47.600 embarrassing.

00:40:48.880 So what does that mean?

00:40:49.660 I ate at the food bank.

00:40:50.680 It means that I'm...

00:40:51.680 I ate at the food bank.

00:40:52.360 To me, what does that mean?

00:40:53.080 I'm not...

00:40:53.900 What does that mean?

00:40:54.600 Stop talking to you, bruv.

00:40:55.380 Don't knock your...

00:40:56.240 Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, come on, wait.

00:40:57.120 That guy that's dressed like a grasshopper, stop interrupting, bruv.

00:41:00.260 What are you talking to?

00:41:00.880 Okay.

00:41:01.120 You talking to me?

00:41:02.120 Yes.

00:41:02.660 You talking to me?

00:41:03.300 Exactly to you.

00:41:04.100 All right.

00:41:04.120 So, hey, what we do.

00:41:05.560 Hey, what we do.

00:41:06.160 Bro, we're going to have to cut.

00:41:06.780 Hey, what we do.

00:41:07.520 Can you get rid of him?

00:41:08.100 Listen, listen, listen.

00:41:08.420 Let me land.

00:41:08.980 Let me land.

00:41:09.820 Let me land.

00:41:10.200 Can you mute his mic?

00:41:11.080 Let me land.

00:41:11.600 I've given you so many warnings.

00:41:13.260 Please, guys.

00:41:13.860 Get rid of him.

00:41:14.800 Pick up your comments, though.

00:41:15.940 No.

00:41:16.560 Pick up your comment.

00:41:17.640 I love that.

00:41:18.960 Can you see the buttons you're trying to press?

00:41:20.580 Can you mute his mic, please?

00:41:22.320 Thank you.

00:41:23.300 Mute my mic.

00:41:23.980 Yeah, no, you have to go.

00:41:25.000 I've told you to stop.

00:41:28.000 Ay, yo.

00:41:29.920 Okay.

00:41:31.300 Dimitri, go ahead.

00:41:32.020 Anyway, so the aspiration for a man, there has to be a higher purpose, right? 0.63

00:41:35.840 I'm not saying that we're all, you know, the same and we have the same opportunity.

00:41:38.540 It's not that.

00:41:39.440 The idea is not that we have the same potential.

00:41:42.280 We all have different potentials.

00:41:43.260 You're probably a better musician than I am.

00:41:44.620 I'm not very creative, right?

00:41:45.860 We have different potentials in academia.

00:41:47.900 We have different potential in the way we present ourselves.

00:41:49.900 We all have different potential, right?

00:41:51.240 But the idea of being productive and a man of value is that you have a higher purpose to aim for.

00:41:58.840 So, Pearl, I want to answer your question.

00:42:00.760 Do women owe it to society to have kids? 1.00

00:42:03.080 I'm not going to tell women what they owe or they don't owe. 0.98

00:42:04.960 But the idea that if a woman owes it to society to have kids, that sets an extremely high bar of aspiration. 0.99

00:42:11.580 Because it's so damn hard to be a productive enough person for a man to attract a woman who's got enough wisdom and sagaciousness and long-term outlook. 0.99

00:42:22.920 And, by the way, we talk about we don't owe anything anyone, like servitude.

00:42:28.020 It's a very high bar to have children, is it not?

00:42:30.320 It is a high bar for yourself.

00:42:32.360 And that's aspirational and that's beautiful.

00:42:34.620 Oh, sorry.

00:42:36.440 Don't you feel like there has to be, like, some sort of stability within you and your partner to bring children?

00:42:44.460 So, for a second, I take it on myself as a man that it is my job to bring stability.

00:42:50.820 And all the Stoic literature and all the biblical literature says that it is up to a man to build institutions.

00:42:57.020 Yes, you do need stability.

00:42:58.060 And who's responsible for that?

00:42:59.080 So, I aim for the bar, the high bar as a man, that I can be productive and bring stability so that I give a woman a safe place to have children.

00:43:06.200 Yeah.

00:43:06.600 So, multiple things can be true.

00:43:07.820 One thing we've talked a lot about here is the cost of raising children, you know?

00:43:10.800 And I think two things can be true simultaneously.

00:43:13.400 One thing that is just true across countries is the less money you have, typically, the more kids you have.

00:43:18.080 And this only really reverses when the family's income is over half a million a year.

00:43:21.940 Then it starts to go up again.

00:43:22.880 But, you know, that's a lot of money.

00:43:24.780 But it's also true that you have to make enormous sacrifices.

00:43:27.460 And it is enormously costly to have a kid in our society.

00:43:31.200 And I actually think that half a million mark, that's the market which people don't really have to make sacrifices anymore to have kids.

00:43:36.820 So, when you're dealing with below that level, I think a question that we need to ask ourselves, when people say having kids is expensive, what they mean is having kids is expensive without significantly changing my lifestyle.

00:43:45.660 My wife and I, we could be earning a lot more money than we do.

00:43:47.980 But we live in, like, a farm, you know?

00:43:50.160 And that is because it was cheaper to raise kids out there.

00:43:52.440 And so the cultural groups that do have high fertility, you know, often there's these religious, people call them religious extremists, weirdos or whatever, right?

00:44:00.720 Like, they're weird in that they are different from the urban monoculture and that they are different from the dominant cultures in our society.

00:44:06.220 And that's how we judge weirdness.

00:44:09.040 And one of the things that makes them weird is choosing lifestyles that are significantly below the lifestyle they could live based on what they earn.

00:44:18.200 Because they believe there are things more important than showing off how great they are to the world.

00:44:24.360 It's like a more selfless culture is what you're saying.

00:44:27.140 Can I...

00:44:27.640 Right?

00:44:28.500 Absolutely.

00:44:29.740 Who said something?

00:44:30.880 Can I bring up something that you said earlier on, obviously, about, obviously, when you're bringing in kids, you want to obviously give them the best and stuff.

00:44:39.060 What about the people who obviously do have kids and they can't give them the best?

00:44:43.460 That was a choice.

00:44:44.860 Yeah, I do.

00:44:45.520 And yeah, obviously, it is a choice.

00:44:47.180 They can't give them the best.

00:44:48.200 These kids are suffering.

00:44:49.300 But what is the best?

00:44:51.080 Because, you know, we have all this money in the West and we really have a higher standard of living than, like, any time in human history.

00:44:58.000 But people are more depressed than ever.

00:45:00.100 And even, like, there's a clip that just went viral of Kim Kardashian, her daughter, North, right?

00:45:06.220 And North is talking about how she prefers to be at Kanye's house.

00:45:10.240 I saw that.

00:45:10.700 Because at Kanye's house, there's no chef.

00:45:13.340 There's no...

00:45:14.080 She's like, I don't like the chef.

00:45:15.360 I want to get...

00:45:15.840 There's no security there.

00:45:16.900 I just want to go to dad's house.

00:45:18.420 Yeah.

00:45:18.760 So it's like, you know, these kids can have everything.

00:45:21.540 But if they don't have what matters, then they don't care.

00:45:24.580 Can I say something, guys?

00:45:25.680 Can I say something?

00:45:27.020 I grew up in Jamaica, in, like, the countryside.

00:45:30.700 So it was very poor.

00:45:31.800 I saw knife crime, violence, sex.

00:45:34.220 Just my parents used to sell drugs so I could eat.

00:45:37.020 All this type of stuff.

00:45:37.920 My dad was a fisherman.

00:45:39.120 Like, we was poor.

00:45:40.320 We didn't have much.

00:45:41.140 We lived in little board houses, all of that.

00:45:43.600 And I had the best upbringing ever.

00:45:46.260 My parents were Rastafarians.

00:45:47.440 They used to take me to the hot springs, the healing waters.

00:45:50.380 They'd take me to all, like, the Rastafarian events.

00:45:52.700 I was living my best life.

00:45:54.860 All I remembered from my childhood was getting fish,

00:45:59.460 like, basically cooking with my dad on the coal stove outside.

00:46:02.860 We're going to the hot springs, them dancing together.

00:46:05.460 That's all I remember was the time spent.

00:46:07.900 So I just feel like the Western world,

00:46:09.680 we just have so much stimuli being thrown at us

00:46:12.220 that we just were confused about every single aspect of our lives

00:46:15.440 from down to our gender, when we're meant to have kids,

00:46:17.640 our bodies, where it just makes things so complicated.

00:46:20.720 When you return to a simpler life,

00:46:22.720 if you unlearn to learn, return to a more simpler form of living,

00:46:27.000 you realize that there's so much joy in just actually having love.

00:46:30.400 And you and your parents both around, right?

00:46:34.200 Now.

00:46:34.860 Yeah, no, like growing up, right?

00:46:36.080 Yeah.

00:46:36.460 So who's richer?

00:46:38.380 Like, you who might have grown up in,

00:46:40.460 you said it was poor, it was really poor.

00:46:42.180 But your parents were around or, you know,

00:46:46.120 Kim's kids where they see their dad twice a month

00:46:49.020 and they don't really see their mom either

00:46:51.420 because there's a nanny watching them. 0.99

00:46:52.900 Yeah, I didn't have that.

00:46:53.820 I had both devoted parents.

00:46:55.740 But I'm saying, like, who's in a better off position, really?

00:46:59.000 I think they're just both equal.

00:47:00.700 I just didn't see any difference.

00:47:02.040 What do you mean, better off position?

00:47:03.320 I would argue that the kid with both of their parents involved

00:47:11.280 is in a better position than the one that has money.

00:47:14.900 And so much time, and especially like in the West,

00:47:18.320 especially in the West, there's so many times

00:47:21.740 where we equate money can replace parents and it can't.

00:47:27.520 It's neglect.

00:47:28.000 You feel neglected and abandoned when you don't have them,

00:47:32.140 but you have the material.

00:47:34.320 Like, kids, no offense, like, if you notice,

00:47:37.140 like, if you give kids money and stuff like that,

00:47:38.740 they don't seem as grateful compared to when you actually give them. 0.93

00:47:40.820 No, they're brats. 1.00

00:47:41.680 Yeah. 0.70

00:47:43.040 If you want to see messed up kids,

00:47:44.760 look at the kids of rich people.

00:47:46.280 Yeah.

00:47:46.480 Yeah.

00:47:47.960 If you want to see that the thing

00:47:49.960 that you can always give your kids is yourself.

00:47:52.920 Yeah.

00:47:53.320 And there are always going to be competing interests from that

00:47:56.200 because society, you know, this is, I love capitalism,

00:47:59.000 but the one bad thing about capitalism

00:48:00.700 is it can price an individual exactly,

00:48:02.980 exactly the minimum amount it needs to pay them

00:48:05.300 to not spend time on their kids, on their family.

00:48:08.140 And so remember, you know, yeah, just be aware

00:48:11.920 that this system, it's going to try to take you away

00:48:13.880 from your family and you are the most important thing they have.

00:48:17.500 And these traditions, I love you talk about growing up Rastafarian

00:48:20.180 and these traditions that they had were so important to you

00:48:23.400 and the traditions that you build for your kids.

00:48:25.600 You know, I think a lot of us, we come from backgrounds now

00:48:27.740 where we feel we don't have a connection to our ancestors anymore

00:48:30.760 or our traditions.

00:48:31.480 And that can mean work with your spouse and build new ones,

00:48:35.160 you know, if you have to, because this matters to kids.

00:48:38.180 It matters to them.

00:48:39.120 Yeah.

00:48:39.480 It matters to their kids.

00:48:40.360 So it goes back to our culture, though,

00:48:41.720 because when I speak to, again, going back to speaking to women, right?

00:48:46.260 When I speak to women and I ask them, like, okay, 1.00

00:48:48.280 so if a guy tells you he's got two, three, four kids,

00:48:51.740 what do you say?

00:48:52.960 Usually they say, well, I'm not interested,

00:48:54.520 even if he's got one.

00:48:55.600 Yeah.

00:48:55.840 And then he tells me that there's a problem with our culture.

00:48:59.800 You know, we look down on that.

00:49:02.080 And I personally don't.

00:49:03.360 If I'm speaking to a girl, she says, look, I've got two kids. 1.00

00:49:06.020 I think that's a beautiful thing.

00:49:07.180 Yeah, but that's because you've got kids, though.

00:49:08.840 I've never had kids.

00:49:09.780 I don't have kids.

00:49:10.480 I've never had kids.

00:49:11.220 I thought you said you had two sons.

00:49:12.920 No, I got two sons.

00:49:13.600 It's me.

00:49:14.100 I got two sons.

00:49:14.560 It's not the kid.

00:49:15.240 It's all the other stuff that I deal with.

00:49:17.520 I think it's beautiful.

00:49:18.540 I've never had kids, though.

00:49:19.480 Welcome to the show.

00:49:20.420 What's your name?

00:49:21.300 Ty.

00:49:21.800 Ty, what do you think?

00:49:22.760 Do women owe society children? 1.00

00:49:25.840 Oh, that's a strong question.

00:49:28.880 As I look around the room, that's a strong question.

00:49:31.880 Do women owe society kids? 1.00

00:49:35.540 In my opinion, women are very different. 1.00

00:49:39.420 Okay.

00:49:39.920 So in different situations, you're going to come across different, I guess, mentalities.

00:49:44.100 So for me, depending on the person, you're not really owe anyone anything, in my opinion.

00:49:49.820 That's my opinion.

00:49:51.180 Do men owe it to society to be productive?

00:49:54.780 No.

00:49:55.020 No, no, no.

00:49:56.020 If they choose to not be.

00:49:57.680 Have you seen the consequences of unproductive men and what they have on society?

00:50:01.180 Like, if we choose not to be productive...

00:50:02.900 What is the consequences?

00:50:03.820 Well, the consequences, we ruin society.

00:50:05.320 It's like, you know, Chris Rock has that joke.

00:50:06.820 If you're outside at 1 p.m. in a neighborhood and moms are walking strollers, you're in a nice neighborhood.

00:50:10.400 If you're outside a neighborhood at 1 p.m. and dudes are working out, you're in danger.

00:50:13.420 So you would say that every man that is not being productive at this present moment or never has a child, they are just...

00:50:21.300 No, the child thing is a little...

00:50:23.140 Like, that's a few steps ahead.

00:50:24.500 I would say that a man who's not being productive or not taking steps towards being productive, he's not building society.

00:50:30.620 And it is a man's job to build. 1.00

00:50:32.260 Like, a man always has to be building something.

00:50:34.240 Otherwise, a man becomes a danger to himself and society.

00:50:36.580 And we see that, you know, represented in the preponderance of, you know, criminals, for example.

00:50:40.000 And you see in countries that have high unemployment rates, you see a lot of very negative correlations with that.

00:50:44.360 But the question, you know, the reason that I postulated that earlier is because, like, for a woman to be able to reach her potential to have kids, she needs a man who's reaching his potential. 0.99

00:50:54.220 And a man has to lead.

00:50:55.200 And that's why a man has to be productive.

00:50:56.100 And I also think there's a reason why we look down on the homeless, like, bum crackheads down the street. 0.98

00:51:02.640 Like, that aren't doing anything.

00:51:04.040 They're not paying anything.

00:51:05.060 Like, they're not contributing to society. 0.96

00:51:06.880 There's a reason why they're considered losers in society.

00:51:10.180 I don't look at them as losers, though.

00:51:11.560 I don't judge people.

00:51:13.260 Okay, I'm not saying you personally, but I'm saying as a society, do we tend to put crackheads on a pedestal?

00:51:19.400 No.

00:51:19.920 No.

00:51:20.580 Do we tend to say grow up and be homeless?

00:51:23.700 Yeah, I get that.

00:51:24.440 That's the point.

00:51:25.700 They don't lose it.

00:51:26.320 But, I mean, I think if you're not doing anything.

00:51:29.300 It depends.

00:51:29.880 It's not even just homeless people.

00:51:31.760 It's guys who drive buses or bin men. 0.99

00:51:33.680 We don't put them on pedestals either.

00:51:35.680 We actually look down on men, unfortunately.

00:51:37.100 I don't, like, I think if you have a job that contributes to society, I think that's fine.

00:51:41.720 But I do think you owe your society to be a productive member of society.

00:51:46.720 And if women aren't going to go down the kids' route, like, I think they owe the same exact thing. 1.00

00:51:51.840 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:51:52.660 Yeah.

00:51:53.040 I absolutely agree with that.

00:51:54.200 I just want to say, sorry, sorry to interject.

00:51:55.780 In terms of owing to society, et cetera, my thing is if you're not doing anything or contributing towards the society in any way, it can be anything, I personally think you deserve nothing.

00:52:08.640 And I don't mean it in a horrible way.

00:52:10.740 You know, I don't mean it in a horrible way.

00:52:12.420 You need to put something in to get something back.

00:52:15.100 And that's how it's always been, cause and effect.

00:52:17.520 The greatest lie, I think, this urban monoculture, I talk about this, this dominant culture in our society tells people, is that if you do whatever you want, whatever you want to do it, that you're going to be happy and fulfilled.

00:52:28.080 You will not.

00:52:29.160 Our biologies are wonderfully structured.

00:52:31.760 Perhaps God made us this way.

00:52:33.600 But when you do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it, a hollowness builds inside you.

00:52:37.740 When you are out there working to make the world a better place, you will feel a type of happiness that cannot be achieved from anything else.

00:52:46.740 True happiness is only achieved by effectively living your value system.

00:52:51.520 And more specifically, that leads to some form of suffering through growth.

00:52:55.640 And so therefore, and this is the Viktor Frankl argument, right?

00:52:58.360 So very cool.

00:52:58.860 So the next question, actually, I'm going to read Super Chats really quick.

00:53:07.680 Guys, make sure you like the video.

00:53:09.760 That's the most important metric that YouTube uses to push out these streams.

00:53:13.420 Okay.

00:53:14.220 Bryden says, the true question is what brings you meaning?

00:53:18.720 Thane Mattress says, classic case of a suit maketh?

00:53:23.340 Is that a suit?

00:53:23.980 A suit maketh a man? 0.94

00:53:25.280 I've never.

00:53:25.840 Oh, a classic case of a suit maketh a man good.

00:53:30.100 Make it not.

00:53:30.960 Make it not.

00:53:31.520 Sorry.

00:53:32.700 I've never heard of it.

00:53:34.200 Classic case of a suit maketh a man not.

00:53:37.120 Good Frank Castle.

00:53:39.080 What?

00:53:39.560 I have no idea what you just said.

00:53:41.060 Yeah.

00:53:41.440 I don't know.

00:53:42.320 No, you still read that wrong.

00:53:43.960 I saw.

00:53:44.540 I read it wrong.

00:53:44.780 It's a little joke.

00:53:46.000 There's a quote.

00:53:46.440 The suit maketh a man. 0.84

00:53:47.380 He's saying a suit maketh a man not.

00:53:49.100 Oh, same.

00:53:49.700 Oh.

00:53:50.320 Oh, yeah.

00:53:51.340 I totally got it.

00:53:52.540 Glenn Lawrence.

00:53:56.760 Oh, God.

00:53:57.240 Here comes the servant leader talk.

00:53:59.540 Juan Figuera.

00:54:01.860 As a man and father of 3, 21, 7, 5, we want children, but the laws are unfair and the risk

00:54:08.740 18 to 25 years of child support to reproduce.

00:54:11.640 The female market is unstable to risk this amount of effort. 1.00

00:54:18.540 Paying, paying, I can't read your username.

00:54:21.540 I'm sorry.

00:54:22.240 Women that don't have children are super lucious. 1.00

00:54:27.340 A society strictly all men can do everything except have children. 0.98

00:54:31.760 Cruxy says, Simone and Malcolm, I appreciate your gene selection.

00:54:36.140 Work related.

00:54:37.480 Please.

00:54:38.640 Selective.

00:54:39.660 Uh-oh.

00:54:41.100 Related.

00:54:41.720 Please recommend Pearl to talk to Edward Dutton.

00:54:44.900 Uh-oh.

00:54:45.220 Uh-oh.

00:54:46.500 I don't get what's the uh-oh.

00:54:48.520 It's the spicy stuff.

00:54:49.740 Spicy stuff, yeah.

00:54:50.360 Okay.

00:54:50.920 He has greatly helped my understanding of why our world is in the current state.

00:54:55.820 Emily Ziegler, thanks to your pearls of wisdom, I've been finding more and more ways

00:55:00.060 to serve and submit to my husband.

00:55:02.180 My husband has been the happiest man and my family is thriving ever since.

00:55:06.120 We love you, Pearl.

00:55:07.500 Thank you, Emily.

00:55:08.720 Uh-oh.

00:55:08.800 See, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, I can't, guys, I can't

00:55:12.900 say your new usernames.

00:55:14.360 Talk about, um, talk about the dancing in Israelis on 9-11.

00:55:22.200 Oh, my God.

00:55:22.940 I don't know.

00:55:23.280 Oh, I don't know what that is.

00:55:25.540 Just about to go down.

00:55:26.500 Oh, oh, sorry.

00:55:27.400 That's from a Zerka thing, I think. 1.00

00:55:29.540 Um, anyways, um, I think that's all the super...

00:55:34.240 How do you guys think a cat would answer that question?

00:55:36.380 Do women owe it to society to have kids? 1.00

00:55:38.380 Like, if I wasn't a human, if I was just a group of cats sitting here in a suit pretending

00:55:41.800 to be a person, what would I, what would I, what would I say about the subject?

00:55:45.520 They would be irrational.

00:55:47.660 Yeah, what would I answer?

00:55:49.520 Meow.

00:55:50.080 How would you know? 0.97

00:55:51.120 Cats would just say, please shut up and give me some tuna right now. 1.00

00:55:55.640 They'd be like, nah, girls don't have any kids, that's cool. 1.00

00:55:58.140 Cats do not care.

00:55:59.000 You know, I think there's a pretty, pretty strong, like, uh, correlation between the

00:56:02.640 cat population and the amount of single childless women, isn't there? 0.98

00:56:06.120 No?

00:56:07.160 I'll look at the study. 0.97

00:56:09.200 Some people use animals to masturbate the instinct to have kids. 0.97

00:56:12.800 Oh, jeez. 0.99

00:56:14.220 No, it's true.

00:56:15.180 They, they, and this is done both because they don't, and sometimes it's not their choice.

00:56:19.340 You know, sometimes they just end up single without kids for whatever reason.

00:56:22.060 But there are ways that you can, that's why they call it their baby, right? 0.99

00:56:24.980 Can we just, can we just expand on that masturbating your instinct? 0.99

00:56:28.260 So if I smell delicious cupcakes, but I don't eat them, am I just masturbating my instincts? 0.99

00:56:32.180 Well, what I mean by that is in the same way when an individual masturbates, they are taking sex and they are fake having sex. 0.99

00:56:38.380 I understood what you meant. 0.96

00:56:39.280 I just, I just love the phrase.

00:56:39.780 They are fulfilling an instinct by looking at a simulacrum, uh, of, of the thing that they really want, um, with a kid or a little dog, it looks like a little child.

00:56:50.300 It's got the big eyes.

00:56:51.160 It's sweet to you, but it doesn't require real sacrifice.

00:56:54.240 Not at the same level, uh, in the same way that porn doesn't require the, the real, real sacrifice of going out there and impressing a person.

00:57:00.520 But a cat's a lot cheaper than a baby.

00:57:03.640 Well, it is.

00:57:04.480 And porn's a lot cheaper than a date. 0.83

00:57:06.200 You just haven't seen a fat enough cat. 0.85

00:57:09.760 That was a quotable.

00:57:10.180 I challenge that.

00:57:11.940 I think men need to desexualize themselves though.

00:57:14.620 I think, you know, porn, I think it's, it's, it's definitely not a good thing for men.

00:57:19.380 We need to stop it.

00:57:20.040 Personally, myself, I've been practicing, um, um, you know, semen retention.

00:57:24.900 Yeah.

00:57:25.020 And I feel so much more energized.

00:57:28.480 Honestly, I'm just like, even like, I just think differently.

00:57:31.120 I just get up in the morning without no coffee, just active.

00:57:33.960 But we need to desexualize our minds.

00:57:35.700 I think as men, we, that's something that we owe to society.

00:57:38.200 I think women should actually stop first because the more we keep giving out the nuni, what do you think these men are going to do? 1.00

00:57:43.240 Say no.

00:57:44.160 Listen, if I was a dude and I was freaking on a flat, I'm taking it.

00:57:48.000 So this kind of goes back to, this kind of goes back to, um, you know, this question as to what women in general owe society.

00:57:56.720 Right.

00:57:57.360 And, you know, one question I had is do women owe society modesty? 0.99

00:58:03.700 Yes.

00:58:04.400 Because now, now, now I'm starting to see.

00:58:08.260 So I went to Vegas, um, for like a collab, like a couple months back.

00:58:13.840 And I couldn't believe, I was walking down the street and I saw women with their boobs out and just stickers on their boobs, walking in public. 0.98

00:58:22.820 This is legal there.

00:58:24.380 And I thought to myself, you know, how is this not public nudity?

00:58:33.340 Why are women wanting to do this? 1.00

00:58:34.600 Why are you not arrested?

00:58:35.620 This used to be a thing where you get arrested for a public innocence.

00:58:38.180 Yeah. 0.92

00:58:38.440 And now they can literally have stickers on their boobs. 1.00

00:58:41.000 So it kind of bears the question, do women owe society modesty? 0.90

00:58:45.780 And you, you seem to want to go, so go ahead.

00:58:47.820 I want her to go because she had a long rant about this. 0.97

00:58:50.440 We were, we were reading your tweets about this this afternoon.

00:58:53.100 Oh, we're going to, we're going to judge the pictures later too.

00:58:56.040 Oh boy.

00:58:56.460 But go ahead, go first.

00:58:57.500 Yeah.

00:58:57.640 I mean, you know, a lot of what we're looking at is, um, there's a problem with society in which every woman, despite her age, wants to look like she's 20, but she can't pull it off after a certain age. 0.94

00:59:07.120 I'm just sorry.

00:59:07.840 So part of it's, you know, you have to realize after a certain age, you can't pull it off and you have to actually want to desire to be something else.

00:59:14.160 Maybe to be a mentor, maybe to be a professional, maybe to be a mother.

00:59:17.340 And there are appropriate outfits for all of that.

00:59:20.100 But we also have to remember that, like, honestly, like some women, unfortunately don't have that much to offer.

00:59:25.980 And so they marry people who want them to flaunt it. 1.00

00:59:31.480 They, they, they become trophy wives and they kind of have to dress that way. 1.00

00:59:34.840 So I do think that there is a place for an immodest woman, even a mother, even a woman of a certain age to dress in an extremely sexualized and showy matter. 0.99

00:59:43.060 Because frankly, that's her job at that point.

00:59:45.800 She has nothing else.

00:59:46.560 That is her way to be productive for society. 1.00

00:59:48.620 And where, where would she do that? 0.98

00:59:50.200 Like, what are the rules?

00:59:50.680 Wherever the hell her husband wants her to.

00:59:52.100 See, I don't know, I don't know, because I'm thinking, like, if, I think that some of these outfits, it's, like, wrong because there are kids around. 0.99

01:00:01.680 And you can't just, even if your husband wants you to dress like a hooker. 1.00

01:00:05.060 Okay, so I, yeah, go ahead. 0.78

01:00:06.480 I grew up in a super progressive society where, like, I thought that a wedding was getting naked and wearing masks in the woods and dancing around, right?

01:00:12.740 So I grew up around a lot of, I grew up in Silicon Valley.

01:00:17.120 I don't, is that normal?

01:00:18.720 In Silicon Valley it was, naked sweat lodge, the masks, the dancing, the whatever, right?

01:00:23.340 I'm very, very progressive, right?

01:00:25.040 Right, okay.

01:00:25.600 So, you know, and I, so you could say that I grew up as a kid around debauchery, but it didn't screw me up at all.

01:00:32.760 I actually, I, I, I lost my virginity with my husband.

01:00:36.660 Um, it's, uh, I don't think that these things necessarily hurt people.

01:00:40.760 I don't think that nudity or sexualization hurts people.

01:00:43.100 In fact, it made me kind of blind to it.

01:00:44.680 I mean, the fact that I, at age like 15, went to Burning Man and I swear to you, I didn't see anyone use any drugs somehow.

01:00:51.980 Um, so I, I don't think I, I, at least anecdotally.

01:00:54.860 It doesn't mean you weren't using them.

01:00:56.000 You just didn't see other people.

01:00:57.580 You know, I still, I've never been high except for doctor's offices, which is super fun, of course.

01:01:02.360 Yeah.

01:01:02.540 Um, but yeah, I just, uh, anecdotally, and among the people, the peers that I grew up around, um, I, I just, uh, in that progressive culture, actually grew up around a bunch of prudes, frankly.

01:01:14.160 I, I think what you're saying, Simone, is that when women dress that way, it's because they have nothing else to offer. 1.00

01:01:18.480 Yeah.

01:01:18.680 Uh, women dress in a way that shows what they think they have to offer to society. 1.00

01:01:22.780 And if they don't feel, and a lot of women feel very disempowered in our society, and they do feel that they have nothing else to offer, or this is their primary asset. 0.94

01:01:28.700 But presumably, as a woman ages, because this asset deteriorates so quickly in terms of its market value, most women who have anything else to offer switch what they're selling to, like, I'm a good mother, or I'm a good chef, or something like that. 0.60

01:01:43.000 Um, whereas, uh, it's a really negative sign to, to an individual if they're still showing this, and they're, like, 40 or 30.

01:01:49.480 But when you're younger, uh, something to think about as a woman is the type of woman, not the type of guy you want to have sex with you, the type of guy you want to marry you.

01:01:56.780 Is he going to be attracted when you're showing all this out?

01:01:59.720 Or is he going to look at that and think, oh, this is not what I want in a wife?

01:02:03.540 Because I think that a lot of women, they get confused. 1.00

01:02:06.600 They say, oh, when I do this, guys hit on me.

01:02:09.340 When I do this, guys sleep with me.

01:02:11.060 And then they then think that that's the type of thing that will get a guy to marry them.

01:02:14.620 But these are two different things that you're courting for.

01:02:16.760 Have we created that problem, though, as men?

01:02:18.920 Yeah, we have.

01:02:19.500 Hell yeah! 0.95

01:02:20.380 We have.

01:02:20.820 Yes, thank you.

01:02:21.840 And what I wanted to say was women have been sexualized since this big—I remember my father being, like, you know, my friends are coming around.

01:02:29.620 No, no. 0.72

01:02:30.080 Women sexualize themselves. 1.00

01:02:31.900 Women get naked. 1.00

01:02:33.940 No, no, I disagree. 1.00

01:02:35.060 I think that women will get naked far quicker than men will ask for sex. 0.99

01:02:39.600 And my proof of this is going to Vegas, those women are walking around naked. 1.00

01:02:44.960 Women walk around naked outside. 1.00

01:02:47.440 They walk around naked to work. 0.97

01:02:49.360 They take off their clothes more and more and more, far before men ask for sex. 0.92

01:02:54.040 But would we be still talking about this if a guy was walking with his top off?

01:02:58.220 We wouldn't, because women have been sexualized. 1.00

01:03:00.580 Men can walk out with a T-shirt on and no one says anything.

01:03:03.100 But who would they walk out with their slippers just hanging on the floor?

01:03:05.460 No, no, no.

01:03:05.980 We're talking about in Vegas, when it's hot, it's a sunny day, and a man's walking with no T-shirt.

01:03:10.680 Yeah, I do.

01:03:11.040 No, we're going to be bothered.

01:03:12.560 Wait, are we really going to have— 0.99

01:03:13.940 No shit. 0.99

01:03:14.360 Okay, okay. 0.99

01:03:14.960 Are we really going to—

01:03:16.980 How old are you?

01:03:18.020 28. 0.99

01:03:18.360 Okay, you're 28, and you don't understand why women have boobs. 0.98

01:03:23.300 That's why we have to have a shirt on. 0.98

01:03:25.680 No, no, no.

01:03:26.220 It's just, I feel like when, like, women from a young age, like, what I was trying to say is when I was younger, my father would say, you know, my friends are coming around, make sure you're, you know, you're covered up. 1.00

01:03:36.300 Why on earth am I being told to cover up when people are coming around the house? 0.99

01:03:41.900 So you don't grow up to be a whore? 1.00

01:03:52.260 But do we have to be covered from head to toe to not be sexualized? 0.99

01:03:57.100 When men come over, they're coming from a background where I've seen men coming to people's homes and they abuse certain people's children, including me.

01:04:05.060 Obviously not to knock them out, but you might touch me, but it's like, no, seriously. 0.95

01:04:10.000 Black arms, everything. 0.76

01:04:11.000 The reason.

01:04:12.000 Sorry.

01:04:13.000 Sorry about that.

01:04:14.000 When men or other uncles or these come into your house, you're a young girl, your mom and dad should teach you modesty.

01:04:20.920 It doesn't mean you have to lose your sexy when you grow up.

01:04:22.840 I lost my sexy.

01:04:23.840 I'm sexy without having to speak.

01:04:25.680 You know what I mean?

01:04:26.680 It's like you, when you're a young kid, you have to cover up.

01:04:30.360 You need to learn decency, modesty, understand how to dress when people come over.

01:04:33.800 People are predators.

01:04:34.600 Your parents can't fully protect you all the time.

01:04:37.100 So you have to know how to protect yourself.

01:04:38.440 Of course.

01:04:38.860 And the first way to do that is by dressing properly.

01:04:41.020 I used to be at home in short shorts, crop tops, but I knew if a visitor's coming, I dress appropriately.

01:04:46.180 It's just a respect for yourself, for the people that are coming over and for your family.

01:04:49.180 So should the little boy cover up when the females come around? 0.99

01:04:51.460 What's he going to wear?

01:04:52.460 He's not on the phone.

01:04:53.240 No, no, no, but I used shorts and a t-shirt off.

01:04:56.160 Because boys and girls are different.

01:04:57.560 Why can't people just understand that?

01:04:58.560 No, but why is women sexualized? 1.00

01:04:59.560 And why is men not sexualized? 0.97

01:05:00.760 Because women are sexy. 1.00

01:05:01.760 And men are not sexy.

01:05:02.760 No, that's not an answer for me.

01:05:04.400 Even as a man, I've got to say, I think you've got a point.

01:05:07.520 Thank you.

01:05:08.520 Because at the same time, I know you're saying, okay, well, it doesn't matter.

01:05:11.420 You keep on saying people, but it is the influence of men.

01:05:14.720 Of course.

01:05:15.720 Do you think you have to protect yourself?

01:05:17.860 Sorry, sorry.

01:05:18.860 Why do we have to protect ourselves?

01:05:19.980 No, I'll explain to you.

01:05:21.300 I'll explain to you, in all of nature, there are things that all the female species have 1.00

01:05:30.020 that they use to attract males.

01:05:33.260 And it's prevalent in every single aspect of nature.

01:05:37.220 So if you see peacocks, for example, the females spread their wings to attract the males.

01:05:42.500 If you see there are some other animals, they have different things they do to, sorry, not

01:05:45.940 peacocks.

01:05:46.940 Sorry.

01:05:47.940 Peacocks is actually the males.

01:05:48.940 It's actually the males.

01:05:49.940 Yeah.

01:05:50.940 In every part of nature, you have something that one side of the species does to attract

01:05:57.660 the other side.

01:05:58.660 Pheromones.

01:05:59.660 It's actually more males that attract.

01:06:00.660 No, my point is, my point is, in human beings, women have physical attributes that attract 0.91

01:06:07.380 men.

01:06:08.380 Yeah.

01:06:09.380 That is how we are designed.

01:06:10.380 So the reason why you are taught to cover up is because those are attributes that signal

01:06:15.740 certain things to men biologically.

01:06:17.820 And so it has a lot to do with sexualizing.

01:06:20.540 But then again, it goes back to culture, though.

01:06:22.600 It goes back to culture.

01:06:23.280 Because people live in tribes, right? 0.60

01:06:24.600 I don't understand.

01:06:25.220 Why do you say the men are responsible for the sexualization? 0.61

01:06:29.020 I wouldn't say they're completely wholly responsible, but I do think some sick men that we all are

01:06:34.940 influenced by or have heard of, that's the reason why a young girl will be told, okay,

01:06:39.320 well, you've got to cover up or anything like that.

01:06:41.140 That young girl is very innocent.

01:06:42.760 She doesn't know anything in terms of that.

01:06:45.840 But she learns that because really the biggest influence tends to be that sick man that does

01:06:51.440 well.

01:06:51.820 But even without the sick man, why is it bad to teach your daughter to cover up?

01:06:55.460 Isn't that a skill that would be good throughout her life?

01:06:57.980 It's not bad at all.

01:06:58.580 So then why do we, like, paint that as a bad thing?

01:07:01.080 Like, it's men sexualizing women. 0.99

01:07:03.120 Because we know we're the same thing.

01:07:04.260 We wouldn't have to cover ourselves up if it wasn't for men.

01:07:06.400 We know we're comfortable.

01:07:07.000 What?

01:07:07.420 We wouldn't have to, like, if it wasn't, if men weren't here, we wouldn't.

01:07:10.300 No, I disagree.

01:07:11.560 I think that you have nudity laws for a reason.

01:07:14.420 It's not just men.

01:07:15.740 It's like, I don't know.

01:07:16.200 But when we're so nice to be in a case.

01:07:17.780 I don't want to see, I'm actually quite tired on Twitter of women tweeting their naked pictures 1.00

01:07:23.180 at me.

01:07:24.320 I don't want to see it either.

01:07:27.740 And I'm a woman.

01:07:29.200 But we're at risk with men.

01:07:30.480 Like, I say, put it all away.

01:07:32.340 I don't want to see it.

01:07:33.080 I'd much rather you say that, though, rather than the predatory man.

01:07:37.360 But why is the man predatory?

01:07:39.940 I mean, now we have all...

01:07:40.780 That's generalized.

01:07:41.400 I wouldn't say every man.

01:07:42.400 Right.

01:07:42.700 But I'm saying, like, why do we put it on the man?

01:07:46.040 Because it's a relevant thing.

01:07:47.320 I think if there is 20 men that aren't like that, and there's one that is, we're going

01:07:52.800 to remember that one, and we're going to protect the however long.

01:07:54.740 But what does that have to do with women covering up? 1.00

01:07:56.680 Like, I don't understand.

01:07:57.740 Why does that have to be a sexual thing?

01:08:00.580 So I want to pull on his amazing point here to your answer right here.

01:08:04.560 In the human species, women attract mates often by showing their body, and so we see 1.00

01:08:10.660 that as obscene, whereas men attract mates like a peacock often by showing their wealth

01:08:15.500 on pointless expenditures.

01:08:17.580 I think we would live in a better society if we treated a man who drove around in an ultra 1.00

01:08:22.540 expensive car he didn't need the same way we treat a woman who walks around with little 1.00

01:08:26.500 stickers on her breasts because he's doing the same thing. 0.93

01:08:29.160 He's showing an obscene gender and sexual display to try to get partners in a way that 0.99

01:08:35.160 is completely unproductive to our society, in a way that moves society backwards.

01:08:39.740 You're wrong because it takes character.

01:08:41.520 That's all I was trying to say.

01:08:41.880 You're wrong because, and I'm not saying you should flaunt it and be overt with it, but

01:08:46.100 it takes character for a man to build a career.

01:08:48.460 It takes trust from the community.

01:08:49.700 A woman is born with it. 1.00

01:08:50.660 A man has to build it.

01:08:51.800 And I respect the man that's worked for himself.

01:08:53.680 And it's the same saying, like, why is this guy with big muscles and a six pack, like,

01:08:57.380 showing it off?

01:08:57.800 Because he worked really hard to achieve that.

01:08:59.840 And I might, and I can't look at that with resent.

01:09:02.420 Now, to your point about why your dad might say that, I have two daughters myself.

01:09:05.300 And I've had times where my older daughter, you know, she's wearing, like, whatever she's 0.85

01:09:09.780 wearing at home, playing her iPad.

01:09:12.240 And I have people coming over.

01:09:13.620 It's not a sexualization thing.

01:09:14.960 It's just, like, it's a respect between dudes thing.

01:09:16.900 Because if I went to another man's house and his young daughter is dressed very

01:09:20.520 scandally, I'm like, you're not protecting your daughter, which is a father's duty.

01:09:23.440 It's just a protective mechanism.

01:09:24.900 And men protect.

01:09:25.420 Yeah, I was in church the other day.

01:09:29.080 And this, like, woman brought her two daughters. 0.98

01:09:32.140 And it honestly made me sick the way they were dressed because they were so young.

01:09:36.380 And they were, like, they were, like, you could tell it was a single mother, you know. 0.98

01:09:40.320 And they were literally, like, dressed like hookers. 0.99

01:09:43.440 And they're, like, like a dog. 0.99

01:09:44.660 Like, they're in a crop top.

01:09:46.060 This is in church.

01:09:47.000 And I'm thinking, like, I don't think that's a, like, I'm not sexualizing the kid because

01:09:51.240 I want them to be covered up.

01:09:52.940 And I don't think that's because of men.

01:09:54.400 I just think that's human decency.

01:09:56.220 I agree with that.

01:09:57.600 Right.

01:09:57.840 But before, you guys were saying that the men were sexualizing you because your dad told

01:10:02.840 you you had to cover up as a kid.

01:10:04.100 And I'm saying I think that's just human decency.

01:10:06.320 And I don't understand why we're making that into a creepy man thing.

01:10:09.600 I think it's both.

01:10:10.640 I genuinely think it's both.

01:10:11.820 Men have always been more sexual than women. 1.00

01:10:13.880 I actually, no, I think women are more sexual than men. 0.99

01:10:16.760 Yeah, I think women are more sexual than men. 1.00

01:10:18.780 So when I see a guy in life, when I see a guy, I don't go, oh, I really want to sleep 0.90

01:10:23.160 with him.

01:10:23.880 Whereas a man will pass me and go, oh, I would sleep with him. 0.96

01:10:26.360 Yeah, but men have no access. 1.00

01:10:27.580 That's the difference, right?

01:10:28.520 So for women, okay, so for women, the social recourse for sex is way higher. 1.00

01:10:35.360 For women, the social risk for sex is way higher. 0.99

01:10:38.400 For women, the bodily damage and all that comes with babies is way higher. 1.00

01:10:42.020 The economic risk is higher, and yet women still choose to have sex. 1.00

01:10:45.760 So the access for women, the punishment is so much higher. 0.69

01:10:49.140 Women actually have a stronger desire. 1.00

01:10:50.960 They're just way better at selecting mates. 0.50

01:10:52.780 Our bar is very low as men. 1.00

01:10:54.480 I agree.

01:10:55.160 And by the way, just coming back to your point, if I were you and you're encouraging

01:10:58.440 fertility rates, I would encourage way more married men to buy supercars. 0.99

01:11:01.940 Because what it did for my wife when I got my first, we have four kids and she used to 1.00

01:11:06.340 go, she's like, hey, let's go to the movies.

01:11:07.680 And she's like, let's take that car.

01:11:08.860 And then we'd ride it for a while.

01:11:10.380 She's like, you know what?

01:11:11.480 I'm feeling pretty good about this.

01:11:13.060 So you should be encouraging the opposite of what she said.

01:11:15.320 Oh, yeah, your peacock.

01:11:16.200 I think.

01:11:16.920 To my wife, yes.

01:11:18.380 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:19.160 I used to wear...

01:11:20.060 I think, okay, so I think that women are more sexual than men. 0.99

01:11:24.740 And the reason, I know it's unpopular opinion, the reason I came to this conclusion is sometimes 0.98

01:11:29.060 I think men just couldn't even be bothered with women and sex. 0.72

01:11:32.200 Like, they'll get into this phase of their life where they're just like, I'm done with women. 1.00

01:11:35.500 Women never have that phase. 1.00

01:11:36.880 So I once went to, when I was, and this is just anecdotal, I guess, but I went and visited

01:11:43.380 my grandma in high school.

01:11:45.860 And my mom was mad at me one summer.

01:11:48.860 She sent me to my grandma's house for the summer.

01:11:51.020 I don't know.

01:11:51.420 Did that happen to any of you?

01:11:52.420 Just me and me.

01:11:53.680 You know.

01:11:54.640 All summer.

01:11:55.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:55.840 And I remember I was sitting with a bunch of mostly widowed 70, 60-something old, and they

01:12:02.360 were talking the same way about boys that, like, me and my friends did, and I was in

01:12:06.300 high school.

01:12:07.120 And I just remember thinking, this never ends.

01:12:09.280 But it's like, like, I don't think...

01:12:10.940 Go ahead.

01:12:11.260 Go ahead.

01:12:11.540 Like, even, like, male, like, female books that we read, they're always romantic.

01:12:15.820 They're always about love, sex, that stuff.

01:12:17.640 Exactly.

01:12:18.120 It's measurable.

01:12:18.960 Men, on the other hand, like, it's adventure.

01:12:21.500 It's like, you know, Lord of the Rings or whatever.

01:12:23.980 My brother did Harry Potter, you know.

01:12:26.020 When you look at expenditures per industry, when you look at corn versus romance novels,

01:12:30.540 which is basically female corn. 1.00

01:12:32.300 Right.

01:12:33.700 Huge industry over here.

01:12:35.300 Wait, is it higher than corn?

01:12:37.200 Oh, my gosh.

01:12:37.620 No way.

01:12:38.840 Oh, my gosh. 1.00

01:12:40.460 Women are sex demons. 1.00

01:12:43.120 They are. 1.00

01:12:43.640 But the dynamics are different.

01:12:45.040 I love it.

01:12:45.680 I love it when I have a theory that I'm working on and someone gives me a...

01:12:50.020 You got it.

01:12:50.580 You got it.

01:12:51.300 And the funniest thing, though, is, you know, most men aren't looking at corn on the subway.

01:12:55.380 Women, they are flagrant about it. 1.00

01:12:57.300 They are not even shy about it.

01:12:59.680 But the thing is that the dynamics are different, and this is why we don't recognize it, is women 1.00

01:13:03.220 are much more aroused by dominance and submission, not the actual, like, visual, like, whatever

01:13:09.140 is going on there.

01:13:09.980 That's men.

01:13:10.580 Whereas men are typically more, you know, aroused by the actual visual stuff, which is why you

01:13:16.060 see these different industries.

01:13:16.820 But do not mistake for a second what romance novels are about.

01:13:20.580 It's so stimulating.

01:13:23.740 You get it.

01:13:24.500 I've been reading.

01:13:25.100 You get it.

01:13:25.360 You have to be effective.

01:13:26.100 I'm like, 14.

01:13:27.020 Yeah.

01:13:27.300 Yeah.

01:13:27.340 I mean, like, five minutes.

01:13:29.260 Fourteen, you know.

01:13:30.340 Yes.

01:13:31.060 I was bored of the other books.

01:13:32.560 I think it's something interesting.

01:13:33.660 Even some of these TV shows, too, now, like, the female TV shows, like The Notebook, Titanic. 0.71

01:13:40.680 Yeah.

01:13:40.820 They've gotten frisky.

01:13:43.400 I've noticed that.

01:13:44.500 It's how, like, a lot of shows on Netflix have gotten really frisky.

01:13:48.820 It's all about the rights.

01:13:49.440 You can't watch anything now without any sexual purpose.

01:13:52.000 It's crazy.

01:13:52.460 Also, I've never heard of a long line of men lining up in front of, like, a mental institution 0.51

01:13:59.080 writing letters to some crazy woman that killed a kid.

01:14:02.000 But then you see the story of this Dahmer guy, these serial killers, and you see women 1.00

01:14:07.460 literally writing letters to them in prison.

01:14:10.240 Dahmer was... 0.58

01:14:11.620 Yeah, but they were all sick.

01:14:12.840 That was the wrong one.

01:14:13.880 But it's still about dominance and submission.

01:14:15.320 No, no.

01:14:16.780 No, not Dahmer.

01:14:17.900 You wouldn't have looked at those.

01:14:19.060 Loads of girlfriends. 0.96

01:14:20.460 But I think one thing that we also need to remember with this, and it's really an interesting

01:14:24.740 phenomenon, and you had Sandman on your show, and he's talked about this in the past

01:14:27.560 as well, is that men are changing.

01:14:30.800 He says, when you look at the men's rights activists who are of, like, Gen Z, they now

01:14:35.000 are able to do something that no men's rights activist before was really able to do in

01:14:38.180 large numbers, which is just be like, I'm not even trying to, like, not be

01:14:41.520 interested in girls.

01:14:42.200 I just have no interest.

01:14:43.480 And I think that generationally, whether it's due to pollutants or due to lower

01:14:46.380 testosterone rates or whatever is causing this in society, young men are just much 1.00

01:14:51.000 less interested in sexuality and sex than they ever have been historically.

01:14:57.460 Yeah, no, I've noticed that, too, because I was thinking even, like, boys' nights versus

01:15:02.140 girls' nights.

01:15:03.040 Like, girls' nights just get together to talk about boys, and then boys will just, like, 1.00

01:15:07.540 be doing the dumbest shit together. 0.99

01:15:09.500 But wait, is that an opinion? 1.00

01:15:11.520 Is that an opinion or fact?

01:15:13.580 Because when you say that...

01:15:14.520 That's what I'm dropping, is a fact.

01:15:15.500 No, it's a fact.

01:15:16.360 But then when you say that men are not as sexual these days, it makes me wonder, because

01:15:19.900 nowadays men are paying for sex, subscribing on OnlyFans and many other avenues.

01:15:25.340 So I think men are very sexual these days, but just in the wrong way, if you know what

01:15:30.160 I mean.

01:15:30.180 That's actually a really good point.

01:15:31.100 I just don't think we like each other.

01:15:32.160 Because you're doing the semen retention thing.

01:15:33.640 That's a really interesting point.

01:15:34.800 Like, a really interesting thing that has happened in society, there's, like, lots of very cool

01:15:39.120 studies on it, is men are just less desperate.

01:15:40.960 And so what happens is, because there's corn on available or whatever, lack of desperation

01:15:45.340 leads to lack of risk-taking.

01:15:47.140 So more desperate men take more risks to produce more status-signaling behavior, because risk

01:15:52.580 and status are very correlated.

01:15:53.680 So what that means is, something like 95% of men have never approached a woman randomly

01:15:58.460 on the street or in a store just to say that they like her and ask for her number.

01:16:01.660 And the reason is, they're just not desperate enough to do it, right?

01:16:03.800 Because right now, a young man can see more naked, beautiful women by the time he's 12

01:16:07.360 than the greatest kings in history I've ever seen, right?

01:16:09.800 And so what happens is, there's no desperation to push the action into a risk-seeking behavior.

01:16:14.240 So we just sit at home and, that word that you used.

01:16:17.120 But there's two really interesting studies I read recently, which I thought I'd share,

01:16:20.400 is women enjoy a tremendous amount of sexual privilege in the marketplace. 1.00

01:16:23.900 And these studies are as follows.

01:16:25.820 When women are asked, what would be the ideal number of sexual partners they've had last 0.93

01:16:30.840 year versus what they imagined they would or wanted to have, women's numbers are generally 1.00

01:16:34.540 very close.

01:16:35.140 The number of partners they want to have is generally what they have.

01:16:37.320 That goes for both promiscuous and unpromiscuous women. 1.00

01:16:39.660 So if a woman is highly promiscuous, she'll say, I wanted 15 partners last year, she'll get 1.00

01:16:42.780 15 partners, right?

01:16:43.920 For men, the discrepancy is very high.

01:16:45.600 A man's ideal number of partners that he would like to have is substantially higher than his

01:16:50.760 actual partners that he's generated.

01:16:52.000 That's the first statistic.

01:16:52.820 The second statistic is what kind of sex men and women want.

01:16:55.480 A man's attractiveness to a woman generally grows with the woman's age.

01:16:58.700 So a 20-year-old woman will find a 25-year-old guy attractive, a 50-year-old woman will still 0.85

01:17:02.560 find a 55-year-old guy attractive, et cetera, et cetera.

01:17:04.840 It correlates, right?

01:17:05.780 Whereas for men, they consistently, across all age groups, rank 23-year-old women as the

01:17:09.280 most beautiful.

01:17:10.080 So as men get older, and they're obviously copulating with older women, usually their wife or whoever,

01:17:15.760 they're not having the ideal sex.

01:17:17.440 So women get the number of sex partners they want and the kind of sex they want, and men 0.97

01:17:20.760 are suffering from that, right?

01:17:21.960 I just thought it's kind of cool because we don't talk about it.

01:17:24.440 And if you think things are bad now, wait until there are AI girlfriends out there. 0.99

01:17:28.200 If you think it's hard to get a guy to settle for you now, and same for girls. 0.87

01:17:31.840 Oh, it is right around the corner.

01:17:33.280 And when we talk about prenatalism, I'm like, look, we're playing on easy mode now.

01:17:37.580 Convincing people it's worth dealing with another human being for the rest of your life,

01:17:41.840 that's going to be dramatically hard to motivate in the near future.

01:17:44.340 We don't like each other, clearly.

01:17:46.600 We don't trust each other.

01:17:48.680 How soon do you see that happening, the AI girlfriends? 0.99

01:17:51.560 It's now.

01:17:52.140 It's already happening now.

01:17:53.700 Now they're just not perfect yet.

01:17:55.300 They're just not what?

01:17:56.160 They're just not perfect yet.

01:17:57.160 But, I mean, they're out there now.

01:17:58.780 I'm not telling people to go out there and start dating AI.

01:18:01.780 I think Futurama is their robo-sexuality episode.

01:18:05.180 Marilyn Monroe.

01:18:06.060 It's because you can get everything that you want.

01:18:09.440 You can take everything off, you see?

01:18:10.980 Like, when you get a 10, you want an 11.

01:18:12.860 When you got an 11, you want a 12.

01:18:14.360 Is the equivalent of an AI girlfriend the equivalent to women as Instagram?

01:18:19.400 Because you're getting all the attention that you would have gotten from your husband from Instagram.

01:18:24.900 Because I really almost see Instagram as, like, a new religion for chicks. 0.74

01:18:30.020 Yeah.

01:18:30.580 Yeah, because it's like, and this was kind of an interesting thought I had.

01:18:34.380 So, this is why I brought this up.

01:18:36.200 Who here, raise of hands, thinks that women owe society modesty? 1.00

01:18:41.220 Okay, yeah.

01:18:42.440 Okay, no, no.

01:18:43.340 No, no, yes, yes, yes.

01:18:44.140 It's all right, it's all right.

01:18:44.720 No, no, it's all right.

01:18:45.980 So, my thought was, I feel like when you become a wife and a mother, you're supposed to move a little bit differently.

01:18:52.420 You're not really, you know, and I'm not even pro, you know, dressing super provocatively, but, you know, I think back in the day, they'd raise the skirt a little bit, show the ankles, and, you know, it would signal that they were single, right?

01:19:06.360 But now it's like you have women that are married, wives, mothers with children, signaling that they are single when they're in a relationship.

01:19:14.580 Because they settled.

01:19:16.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:17.320 I say it like this, if your wife is a feminist, you didn't work hard enough. 1.00

01:19:21.660 And so, there's a really interesting thing about the AI girlfriend.

01:19:24.140 There's a strong correlation here.

01:19:25.360 So, for example, an AI girlfriend, what does that imply?

01:19:28.060 It implies that a man can choose the perfect features, let's say, physically, for what he imagines his ideal woman to be.

01:19:33.280 And then also modulates for the personality trait that a woman exhibits towards him. 0.99

01:19:38.700 And he's probably not going to maximize for nagging and hate.

01:19:41.660 He's going to maximize for compliance and loving on a second, right?

01:19:44.540 And so, a question I would ask is, let's say a man without any, like, proliferation of technology or anything like that, how would a man be able to maximize for the ideal physical specimen that treats him the best?

01:19:53.860 What would a man have to do?

01:19:54.760 And I tell my friends this, and I say that your wife or your girlfriend will treat you exactly as good as just a little better than the next girl that would be available to you.

01:20:06.620 I.e., if you're a low-value man and your wife treats you like crap, the reason she's doing it is because she doesn't believe you have better options in the marketplace. 0.84

01:20:15.220 Otherwise, the market would steal you away from her. 0.98

01:20:17.000 Does that make sense?

01:20:17.760 Right.

01:20:17.980 So, in the past, in order for a man to iterate up to the point that he gets his ideal woman, he would have to be an ideal man. 0.69

01:20:24.380 So, for example, if you're David Beckham and you're ridiculously good at sports, like you've worked your ass off to do that, and you've kept yourself in shape and you've kept yourself in a straight line, you get to pick a Spice Girl, right?

01:20:35.000 Right.

01:20:35.320 But with the AI model, again, we eliminate the desperation because the man can have what they want without paying the prices that they owe to society to get what they want.

01:20:42.800 And this is why religions often augment this with negative externalities for moving between partners.

01:20:49.880 This is why in most traditional religious cultures, they'll say, oh, you left your wife.

01:20:54.840 Now, your value on the market is, like, super, super low because you're an oathbreaker.

01:20:59.020 Do you know that this also explains why 95% of billionaires and 89% of millionaires are married?

01:21:04.400 Because the negative repercussions of leaving your spouse shows the other men in the community that you're untrustworthy, and then you lose the business.

01:21:10.060 So, people think that, like, the rich guys do all the bad stuff.

01:21:12.360 There is some of that.

01:21:13.200 But 95% of billionaires and 89% of millionaires are married because of maintaining the social norm to maintain trust within their community.

01:21:19.600 But this also comes to modesty.

01:21:20.660 The reason I didn't raise my hand when you say do women owe society modesty, women owe their husbands or future husbands modesty.

01:21:27.680 That is the person who will suffer most for your immodesty.

01:21:31.220 I don't think it's something you owe society or even yourself.

01:21:34.060 It's something you owe the person who is going to dedicate their life to you.

01:21:37.420 And you will get a lower quality partner if you do not, like, it hurts you.

01:21:41.940 Well, I actually, I think children deserve a world where they're not seeing private parts.

01:21:46.600 Sorry, I know maybe you liked it.

01:21:48.740 Sorry, I don't know.

01:21:50.520 But I just, that's what I think.

01:21:52.320 I just think you should have a culture that does not reward.

01:21:55.960 And really, I think we should shame, you know, especially when you're married.

01:22:01.220 Like, that's the biggest thing.

01:22:02.240 I think when you're married, you're supposed to move differently than when you are not.

01:22:06.300 So I decided let's do some social shaming.

01:22:09.140 So I want us to decide.

01:22:10.820 I want us to decide as a group.

01:22:12.980 I had some comments on some of these pictures.

01:22:16.800 And I want us, for posting as a wife and a mother, I want you to raise your hand if you think that this is wrong or right.

01:22:25.200 Like, I'm going to, we're going to show the picture, okay?

01:22:27.180 Here we go.

01:22:28.400 Well, no, I just want to, I want to know the rules of, like, when you're married.

01:22:31.780 Is this appropriate for a wife and a mother or inappropriate? 0.52

01:22:35.120 Okay, let's pull it up.

01:22:35.840 Okay, spoiler.

01:22:36.220 The answer is no.

01:22:37.300 Okay, so number one.

01:22:39.200 All right.

01:22:39.660 I want to, I want to hear from the men first.

01:22:41.760 Would you be okay with your wife posting this?

01:22:45.900 Who wants to go first?

01:22:47.160 To be honest, if she's in a hot country and I'm topless and I look good as well next to her, then why not?

01:22:54.060 No, no, just this one.

01:22:54.940 Just this one?

01:22:55.560 Just herself.

01:22:56.200 So the question is?

01:22:57.440 I didn't say the picture with you.

01:22:59.200 I said this one.

01:23:00.240 This girl?

01:23:01.040 Yes.

01:23:02.120 Okay, what's the specific question about this picture?

01:23:04.620 No, the question is, like, you added a caveat where you're in the picture.

01:23:09.040 I'm saying you're not in the picture.

01:23:10.780 If I'm not in the picture, is that appropriate for my wife to dress like that? 1.00

01:23:14.080 If she's not dressed like that, to post this picture on Instagram.

01:23:18.140 Personally, I wouldn't want her to.

01:23:19.880 Okay.

01:23:20.820 What do you think?

01:23:21.980 I mean, she's on holiday.

01:23:23.920 She's not really doing nothing crazy.

01:23:26.440 I'm fine with that.

01:23:27.380 You're fine with this one?

01:23:28.380 Personally.

01:23:28.620 For her to post it?

01:23:30.160 On Instagram.

01:23:30.800 Personally.

01:23:31.220 Okay, you're fine with this one.

01:23:32.680 I'm good.

01:23:33.020 I don't know, man.

01:23:36.480 I think...

01:23:37.480 I'm going to say no.

01:23:40.480 No?

01:23:40.640 Let's move on from that.

01:23:41.260 Okay, what do you think?

01:23:42.360 Honestly, I have more trouble with the tan than the swimsuit.

01:23:44.980 A tan is a sign of vanity that shows that you've traded years of your life to show off to other people on social media.

01:23:51.500 Okay, so the tan would do it for you.

01:23:54.840 Well, I don't like vanity that costs you your health because that's what your kids rely on.

01:24:00.220 Yeah, I don't even...

01:24:01.220 It's not even about the swimsuit.

01:24:02.880 It's about, like, what are you posting it for?

01:24:05.620 It's a cry for help.

01:24:07.060 What we're missing...

01:24:07.960 She clearly has an eating disorder. 0.80

01:24:09.720 This woman needs help. 1.00

01:24:10.820 She's asking for help.

01:24:12.860 And she looks like she gems.

01:24:14.420 Yeah.

01:24:15.140 I think she's like a bodybuilder. 1.00

01:24:18.580 You can tell she does the vacuum.

01:24:19.900 Bodybuilders are famous for their eating disorders.

01:24:22.540 You can tell she does that vacuum thing with her stomach. 1.00

01:24:24.400 But I'm more just asking, like, okay, raise of hands.

01:24:27.340 Who thinks this is appropriate for a wife and a mother? 0.94

01:24:30.280 No, a wife and a mother.

01:24:30.960 My wife doesn't have the time to do this kind of stuff because she's trying to make the world a better place. 1.00

01:24:34.020 She's on holiday. She's not in a bedroom.

01:24:35.140 Okay, so...

01:24:35.780 I think her wife took that photo.

01:24:36.800 I want to hear from you three.

01:24:37.780 Why do you think this is appropriate for a wife and a mother?

01:24:40.220 I don't feel like there's anything wrong with the picture.

01:24:42.720 I think she looks good.

01:24:43.800 She's minding her business.

01:24:44.800 She's clearly on holiday or somewhere tropical or something.

01:24:47.240 Even if that's her backyard, she's got a nice house.

01:24:49.260 But I feel like because of the nature of the picture, it doesn't look inappropriate.

01:24:53.780 Whereas if she was just somewhere, I don't know, in ends or just in, like, underwear, like a Savage X Fenty kind of pose, then, yeah, cool.

01:25:02.740 I would say that's more sexualized.

01:25:04.200 That's fine.

01:25:05.040 Okay, what do you think?

01:25:05.880 I think based on 2023 standards, this is normal.

01:25:08.960 What mother does not do this online to show their combat body and how great they are as moms, they look sexy, they have kids, this and that. 1.00

01:25:17.180 I don't think it offends anybody.

01:25:19.860 Obviously, her stomach kind of offends me because how do I get that?

01:25:22.360 But, like, it doesn't really offend me, but obviously I don't have kids yet, so I can't really speak on it.

01:25:28.660 I think if I had kids and I had to, I was thinking, oh, I want to feel, dude, I want to post it, but I don't know.

01:25:34.140 I'd actually just choose my kids and be like, you know, forget it.

01:25:36.860 What do you think?

01:25:37.420 It's not lingerie.

01:25:38.840 She's not in a bedroom.

01:25:40.160 She's not over-sexualizing herself. 0.98

01:25:42.260 She's not even sucking on that straw the way some females would. 1.00

01:25:46.560 So, for me, that is completely appropriate.

01:25:49.280 Is she posting it because she looks good and she wants attention? 0.74

01:25:51.940 Probably.

01:25:53.000 Is she pushing her chest out?

01:25:54.500 Yeah.

01:25:55.020 But if she's with a secure man, that's really not going to faze him.

01:25:58.700 That's what females do. 1.00

01:25:59.720 It's not about being a secure man.

01:26:00.660 No way.

01:26:00.960 It is, though, because you're worried that she's posting something.

01:26:03.340 You're worried that she's going to get DMs and likes and attention. 0.97

01:26:06.100 You don't want your woman to get attention. 1.00

01:26:07.120 I have a question.

01:26:09.080 Why would you put yourself in a situation where you can get DMs and likes from other men?

01:26:16.040 Why would you put yourself in that situation?

01:26:18.120 Because she's not going, oh, I'm posting this for men.

01:26:21.220 She's genuinely going, she's posting it for herself.

01:26:23.680 But when you post something, you know other men will see it.

01:26:26.240 But you can post a picture of yourself in a tracksuit and still get chicken.

01:26:29.480 No, but I'm saying when you post something, when you post something, you know other men will see it.

01:26:35.200 Yeah.

01:26:35.460 So why would you, when you are a wife and a mother, why would you put yourself in a situation like that?

01:26:42.360 I just don't see it as a situation.

01:26:43.880 I just don't think it's a situation.

01:26:46.560 I just, yeah, exactly.

01:26:47.940 I just, I see her as a woman who has all the rights in the world to do whatever she wants. 0.99

01:26:52.720 I didn't say she doesn't have the right to.

01:26:54.600 I said, this is about should.

01:26:56.440 But, so like, is this appropriate for a wife and a mother?

01:27:00.340 Mm-hmm.

01:27:01.240 Why do you think she's doing it? 0.92

01:27:02.900 What is her goal with this?

01:27:05.300 She could be an OnlyFans mother. 0.98

01:27:06.840 To show off her figure. 0.94

01:27:07.820 To show off her figure. 0.94

01:27:08.720 Exactly.

01:27:09.320 That's the problem.

01:27:09.800 Yeah, I would say, I would say validation.

01:27:12.340 Something like this, guys.

01:27:13.500 So imagine like, I use Facebook, so I'm old.

01:27:15.860 So you guys probably don't use Facebook.

01:27:17.240 Yeah.

01:27:17.360 And I have something on my Facebook called Facebook feed, or I'll scroll through.

01:27:22.080 And so I'm married.

01:27:23.460 And so who was on my Facebook feed?

01:27:25.260 Like, my Halloween 11 years ago was a soft course site on Facebook because all the girls 1.00

01:27:28.760 were in kitten outfits and mini skirts as nurses.

01:27:31.240 Now it's all moms, right? 0.99

01:27:32.580 So who I have on my Facebook are the mutual friends of myself and my wife and our neighbors.

01:27:37.380 Now I think to myself, like, if I'm scrolling through my Facebook feed and I see the neighbor's

01:27:42.020 wife posting pictures like that in her bikini, and I wonder what my wife would think about 1.00

01:27:46.800 that.

01:27:47.200 Like, I wonder what my wife is thinking.

01:27:48.520 Like, huh, the neighbor's wife, who's also connected to my husband on Facebook, is posting

01:27:51.740 pictures of herself in a bikini.

01:27:53.800 How would you guys feel about that?

01:27:55.120 If your husband's Facebook feed was showing the neighbor's wife dressed like that, how would 0.64

01:28:00.060 you feel, honestly?

01:28:00.900 It probably does.

01:28:02.080 Wait, I have a question for you.

01:28:03.900 So would it be wrong for your husband to like that picture?

01:28:09.260 Hell yeah.

01:28:10.740 Well, so would it be wrong for another woman's husband to like that picture with you then?

01:28:19.080 Because you're just doing it for yourself to show your figure.

01:28:21.280 So, I mean, that's a...

01:28:22.540 No, I've completely just contradicted myself.

01:28:24.560 Like, completely.

01:28:25.620 I don't see a problem with her posting that.

01:28:27.520 But at the same time, of course not.

01:28:29.240 There's boundaries.

01:28:30.000 You can still look at a picture.

01:28:31.020 You don't have to press like.

01:28:32.260 You don't have to message her.

01:28:33.900 You don't have to post it.

01:28:34.920 You don't have to.

01:28:35.520 You don't.

01:28:36.000 No, you don't.

01:28:36.620 You don't have to.

01:28:37.840 You don't have to follow her.

01:28:38.680 Like, like...

01:28:39.840 See what you like.

01:28:41.040 Follow what you don't.

01:28:42.000 If you don't want to see that, don't follow it.

01:28:43.540 Go at her. 1.00

01:28:43.960 Exactly.

01:28:44.200 Simple as that.

01:28:44.540 If you don't like it, don't follow her.

01:28:45.560 So if you post that and then other men...

01:28:48.440 Like, you're married and you post that and other men like it and your husband's like,

01:28:50.980 hey, take it down.

01:28:51.620 And other men liking your photo, you're like, sorry, no, it's for me.

01:28:53.740 I do it for myself.

01:28:54.580 No, I take that down.

01:28:55.280 Are you going to tell that to your husband?

01:28:57.240 No.

01:28:57.700 No.

01:28:58.000 If I'm going to be honest, I would probably just go, do you know what?

01:28:59.980 I respect that because if you did that and I wanted you to take it down, I would expect

01:29:03.480 you to take it down.

01:29:04.480 I would.

01:29:05.820 But you see, this is the problem I have with this logic because it's like, do you have

01:29:10.240 to wait for someone to tell you they don't like something for you to know that something's

01:29:13.960 inappropriate within the bounds of a relationship?

01:29:16.720 Sometimes, yeah.

01:29:17.480 Because...

01:29:18.240 Yeah, sometimes.

01:29:19.100 We have to...

01:29:19.940 But shouldn't there be...

01:29:22.000 And this is why we say...

01:29:23.160 Not when she's a wife, right? 1.00

01:29:24.000 Because early in the relationships, women will intentionally test the man's boundaries to see if there's a 1.00

01:29:27.680 boundary setter anyways.

01:29:28.640 When we're talking about a husband and a wife, if you've gotten to that stage, shouldn't

01:29:32.740 you already know certain basic boundaries that you shouldn't cross?

01:29:38.080 And this is the question.

01:29:38.800 She says she's posting it for herself. 1.00

01:29:40.180 Women need to stop saying that crap. 1.00

01:29:41.660 You're not posting nothing for yourself because if it was for yourself, you wouldn't post it. 1.00

01:29:47.280 You can't stay in your phone.

01:29:48.620 You post it because you think you personally look good and you genuinely do want to share

01:29:52.140 it to the world.

01:29:52.640 So you're not posting it for yourself.

01:29:53.340 You're posting it for the world.

01:29:54.220 Wait, wait, wait.

01:29:54.860 I have a question.

01:29:55.320 Listen, why can't you just look good for your husband?

01:29:58.480 Why do you need to look good for everyone else?

01:30:01.460 I'm not a wife. 0.57

01:30:04.960 We're making you one.

01:30:05.980 It is validation.

01:30:10.020 It is validation.

01:30:10.680 You are not still.

01:30:11.220 I understand it's marketing, right?

01:30:12.760 Oh, 100%.

01:30:13.460 I literally show skin, build views, and then I drop a track, and then I've got loads of views.

01:30:21.700 That's what I do.

01:30:22.220 Wonderful.

01:30:22.720 I love that.

01:30:23.300 I love what you just said because you literally, a couple of minutes ago, said that men sexualize

01:30:28.000 women, but you are sexualizing yourself to sell records. 1.00

01:30:30.560 Because I know men will buy into that.

01:30:33.280 Exactly.

01:30:34.080 So women know that. 1.00

01:30:35.520 So women sexualize themselves. 1.00

01:30:36.780 Women do that because of men. 1.00

01:30:38.840 No, women sexualize themselves. 1.00

01:30:40.720 You're not forcing us to do things.

01:30:42.500 We choose to do things.

01:30:43.060 I'll tell you why that is wrong.

01:30:44.580 Because I know that I can make money by going to the bank to rob the bank.

01:30:48.400 But that doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

01:30:49.840 Yeah, but that's hell of a legal.

01:30:51.880 No, legal or not.

01:30:53.860 What you're doing isn't legal in other countries either.

01:30:55.980 Apart from legal or not, before legality comes in, if I go to the bank, if I go to someone's

01:31:00.380 house, before the police or legality comes in, the person is obliged to defend themselves.

01:31:05.060 So before legality comes in, I know that if I go to another man's house to try to rob

01:31:08.440 him, he's probably going to kill me.

01:31:10.260 So that puts me in line. 0.99

01:31:12.500 Women know that they can sexualize themselves and get things from that. 1.00

01:31:17.660 But does it mean they should do it?

01:31:19.340 That's the question.

01:31:20.540 No, it's a choice.

01:31:22.360 We have choice.

01:31:23.140 So you can't blame men and say men sexualize women when women readily treat themselves 0.69

01:31:26.540 first.

01:31:26.580 Both can exist at the same time.

01:31:27.740 Yeah, 100%.

01:31:28.740 It's not a blame.

01:31:29.420 Listen, this is gaslighting.

01:31:31.180 Let me manipulate.

01:31:33.100 Actually, I have a question.

01:31:33.740 This is gaslighting.

01:31:34.340 Why on earth?

01:31:36.380 You never give sympathy to drug dealers when they sell drugs because they can. 0.85

01:31:41.160 But yet when women choose to do sex work or OnlyFans or sexualize themselves for money, 1.00

01:31:46.840 we want to give sympathy to the women somehow.

01:31:48.800 There's always going to be buyers.

01:31:50.420 There's always going to be dealers.

01:31:51.680 You manipulate men into doing the thing that you know they're going to do if you manipulate

01:31:55.000 them and then you blame them for being manipulated.

01:31:57.060 Yeah, basically.

01:31:58.100 That's gaslighting.

01:31:59.420 Thanks for that.

01:32:00.240 So the next woman. 1.00

01:32:01.240 So the next.

01:32:02.200 I don't write the rules.

01:32:03.580 So the next woman we have here. 1.00

01:32:06.140 This one is going to be, I think, I think it's going to be 50-50.

01:32:09.800 I said inappropriate for a wife and a mother, but maybe you'll disagree.

01:32:14.980 Let's pull up the next one.

01:32:17.360 Thank you.

01:32:19.260 Now, there's pros and cons of this, right?

01:32:22.440 She does have the kid there. 0.99

01:32:23.880 So she is showing I do have a child.

01:32:26.440 But I almost think that makes it worse.

01:32:28.520 You're doing a thirst trap with your kid?

01:32:32.600 No.

01:32:32.800 This isn't sexual.

01:32:33.780 She's on holiday.

01:32:34.660 There's no thirst trap there.

01:32:36.120 It's on holiday.

01:32:37.400 Where has that been to be sexy?

01:32:39.360 I think the sexiness is when you're wearing underwear on the internet.

01:32:45.360 I think it's inappropriate for a wife and a mother. 0.95

01:32:48.120 Yeah.

01:32:49.240 Raise your hand.

01:32:50.480 I know this is going to be a controversial one.

01:32:52.260 If you agree with me.

01:32:54.520 Wait.

01:32:55.300 If it's lingerie.

01:32:57.120 No, if it's inappropriate.

01:32:58.200 This picture, I think, is inappropriate for a wife and a mother. 0.61

01:33:01.200 I would say inappropriate.

01:33:02.580 No.

01:33:02.660 What?

01:33:03.300 Okay.

01:33:03.800 Now I'm in the minority.

01:33:04.880 So I want to hear.

01:33:05.740 It's swimwear.

01:33:06.320 Okay.

01:33:06.740 What other options are there?

01:33:07.580 Wait, hold on, hold on.

01:33:08.380 What other options are there?

01:33:09.500 What is she supposed to wear?

01:33:10.520 Is she supposed to wear something that's completely covered up? 1.00

01:33:13.560 Because I've not seen that.

01:33:14.860 A one piece?

01:33:16.040 I've not seen that in ages.

01:33:17.380 It's not fashion.

01:33:18.540 It's not fashion.

01:33:19.280 They don't want to do it.

01:33:20.080 I just said a one piece.

01:33:21.200 And also, when I look at that picture, I'm not sexualizing that picture at all.

01:33:25.560 Imagine.

01:33:26.400 One piece.

01:33:27.020 A one piece.

01:33:27.860 A one piece.

01:33:28.460 A one piece.

01:33:28.980 It's a good show.

01:33:30.760 So she needs to cover her belly. 1.00

01:33:32.040 Wait, wait, wait.

01:33:32.360 So she needs to cover her belly. 1.00

01:33:33.400 Why does she need to cover that stomach? 1.00

01:33:34.760 Wait, wait, wait.

01:33:35.240 Okay.

01:33:35.640 Why are we laughing at the thought of a one piece?

01:33:38.520 Because that is...

01:33:40.060 A one piece.

01:33:40.540 What's the difference?

01:33:41.240 What's the difference?

01:33:41.860 I don't even know what one piece is. 0.92

01:33:42.840 Why are you trying to make your woman look ugly on the ground? 1.00

01:33:44.580 I wasn't trying to make her look ugly, but I do think you have a duty to your family

01:33:49.940 to dress modest.

01:33:51.700 So she's got to wear a one to be fair.

01:33:53.260 But a one piece is only going to cover her belly. 1.00

01:33:55.420 Exactly.

01:33:55.940 It's not going to do much else.

01:33:57.600 Well, you said, what else could she wear?

01:33:59.960 Because now you guys were all acting like there was nothing else she could wear.

01:34:03.760 Oh, and you gave an option.

01:34:05.100 Okay, fair enough.

01:34:05.880 And you guys were all acting like, no, this was what she's...

01:34:11.440 She had a gun to her head and had to... 0.63

01:34:13.740 And then question number two is, why do you have to post it?

01:34:18.240 That's the question.

01:34:18.920 Because the reality is, it's so funny how we're all focusing on what she's actually wearing.

01:34:23.820 Other than, no one says she can't wear that.

01:34:26.740 But why is she posting the picture of her wearing that?

01:34:28.840 Wait, wait, wait.

01:34:29.460 Is there a pool next to her?

01:34:30.780 Because the perception is a funny thing.

01:34:32.400 Perception is a funny thing.

01:34:33.400 There could be a pool next to her.

01:34:34.800 She could be going swimming.

01:34:36.040 No, my point is that she's on holiday.

01:34:38.560 How do we know?

01:34:38.860 But does she have to post... 1.00

01:34:39.760 No, even if she's on holiday, does she have to post the pictures of her on holiday where

01:34:43.640 she's wearing that? 0.69

01:34:44.580 But it could be a pool.

01:34:46.140 Can I say it's a difference?

01:34:48.380 Because she can wear it wherever she is.

01:34:50.320 Because obviously she has to wear a swimsuit to go in the pool, obviously. 1.00

01:34:53.640 But why is that the picture she chooses to put in all the pictures she took on a holiday?

01:34:57.320 Why is it that one where she's naked that she chooses to put on the internet? 0.98

01:35:01.300 That's a validation.

01:35:01.900 And actually, even further, the reason I saw this picture was,

01:35:05.240 I pointed out some girl, because I've been doing this fun thing on Twitter where I judge

01:35:09.920 appropriate or inappropriate.

01:35:11.540 They should thank me, really.

01:35:13.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:15.440 What is the police?

01:35:16.380 Yeah, everyone gets mad.

01:35:17.660 I'm like, you don't have to listen to my opinion.

01:35:19.260 It's just my opinion.

01:35:20.120 Anyway, so this woman decides to, I said, inappropriate to one chick. 1.00

01:35:25.580 She starts tweeting at me her selfie to show me.

01:35:28.380 I'm like, and I'm going to say inappropriate.

01:35:30.280 Yeah.

01:35:31.540 There's a much bigger problem with what she's posting as well.

01:35:34.300 And this is one of the reasons why many women are choosing not to have children, is they believe 1.00

01:35:38.460 that after they have children, they're expected to have these gorgeous bodies. 1.00

01:35:41.680 They're expected to look like 20-year-olds.

01:35:43.940 And when people post things like this, they're giving people the impression, well, I can't

01:35:47.700 do that after I give birth.

01:35:48.920 I can't, you know, my body's not going to look like that.

01:35:51.920 I'm not going to have kids.

01:35:52.980 They get terrified of it.

01:35:54.060 And there needs to be a frame shift in how motherhood is done. 1.00

01:35:57.620 And after you give birth, after you have kids, you're not expected to look like a 20-year-old

01:36:01.900 anymore.

01:36:02.620 So the most damaging responsibility.

01:36:03.620 She's trying to look like a 20-year-old at all. 0.97

01:36:05.080 I think she was, she's genuinely built that way.

01:36:06.760 She's trying.

01:36:07.720 She's trying.

01:36:08.460 She's trying.

01:36:09.580 Wouldn't you be inspired if you saw a woman that's had a kid and she looks great?

01:36:13.160 Wouldn't you be inspired to want to look like that?

01:36:15.020 No, no.

01:36:15.340 That's my only, I only wonder, sometimes I wonder, because when I, some guys I follow

01:36:19.660 them, they look, they have great bodies and I get inspired by that, you know, and they've

01:36:23.200 gone through a lot of things.

01:36:24.100 So a mother, she's had a baby and then she looks great.

01:36:26.740 She's not just thin, right?

01:36:27.600 Like I've had, I've had three kids, all right?

01:36:29.480 I'm not, I'm not huge, right?

01:36:30.860 But I'm not sexualizing myself.

01:36:33.100 And that's what she's doing.

01:36:34.200 She's posing, wearing a bikini.

01:36:36.120 She has her breasts out. 1.00

01:36:37.480 It is a sexualized image of herself.

01:36:40.140 It's the pose.

01:36:40.780 It's the pose.

01:36:41.480 If a guy was standing there with his kid.

01:36:46.320 I have loads of pictures with my mom and aunties where they're in obviously bikinis at the 0.99

01:36:50.960 beach.

01:36:51.540 Yeah.

01:36:51.800 But it's in a photo album.

01:36:52.840 And it's not online.

01:36:54.260 Yeah.

01:36:54.460 That's a different generation though.

01:36:56.800 It's a different generation. 0.81

01:36:58.080 What I'm trying to say is that we're trying to basically bring the old school

01:37:00.700 ways of how modesty used to be into a new age and a new way of living.

01:37:03.700 I think this woman is from the same generation though.

01:37:05.520 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 Of course.

01:37:06.440 So your point doesn't stand.

01:37:07.740 Wait, I haven't finished.

01:37:09.260 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:37:10.100 Okay.

01:37:11.220 Sorry.

01:37:11.820 All against me.

01:37:12.740 I just personally feel like.

01:37:14.860 What does the guy in the green suit think?

01:37:17.400 Sorry.

01:37:17.840 I just personally feel like we live in 2023.

01:37:20.380 This is made to seem normal to just take a picture of yourself and post it online, get

01:37:24.820 loads of likes.

01:37:25.520 It's nothing at all.

01:37:26.480 I mean.

01:37:26.900 No cause, no reaction.

01:37:29.040 That's just how people live these days.

01:37:30.800 One thing I've noticed throughout this conversation, it's almost like we're not realizing that everyone

01:37:34.420 in here is also a little bit vain.

01:37:36.500 Naturally.

01:37:37.440 Yes.

01:37:37.740 We all have will closed today looking at ourselves.

01:37:40.540 Do I look nice?

01:37:41.480 Do I not?

01:37:41.840 Yes.

01:37:42.340 It's just a natural thing that no matter what we do, it's going to still be here.

01:37:46.640 So when we post up, we're trying to say to our followers, oh, look, look at me.

01:37:51.260 Oh, I look good today.

01:37:52.540 But really, if you're smart or if you feel like you want to be modest in a certain way,

01:37:57.440 you can put your page on private.

01:37:59.540 You can also have certain people that follow you, not the predators or people that you think

01:38:03.660 that might be a little bit like looking at you in a certain way.

01:38:05.820 You can try and police it.

01:38:07.240 Private stories as well, yeah.

01:38:08.500 There we go.

01:38:09.020 There's still screenshots and they still get out.

01:38:10.820 You can't trust nothing.

01:38:12.220 She could be private.

01:38:13.400 But hear me out.

01:38:14.280 Hear me out.

01:38:14.640 Or you could just take the picture.

01:38:17.040 Hear me out.

01:38:18.100 Hear me out.

01:38:18.680 Hear me out.

01:38:19.220 Hear me out.

01:38:19.800 And you could send it to your husband.

01:38:22.740 That's one.

01:38:23.100 That's one option.

01:38:24.420 He'll say, that's amazing, honey.

01:38:26.280 One option.

01:38:26.840 Send it to the group chat with your friends.

01:38:28.600 Yeah, like you got, you could text whoever you want.

01:38:31.260 Like how many people got to see it?

01:38:33.580 I take acceptance of this.

01:38:35.260 I'm incredibly vain.

01:38:36.900 What?

01:38:37.240 I'm not a little vain.

01:38:39.280 Thank you for saying it.

01:38:40.400 I think you shouldn't speak on my behalf.

01:38:45.280 Okay, the next woman, go next, please. 1.00

01:38:48.400 I just think this is.

01:38:49.020 Oh, Jesus.

01:38:50.060 All right.

01:38:50.540 I want the Mariah Carey one after this one. 0.70

01:38:57.580 Because I got a lot of heat for that one.

01:38:59.800 So this one, I said, inappropriate.

01:39:04.960 Inappropriate for a wife. 1.00

01:39:06.540 What is going on with these girls trying to look like man? 1.00

01:39:10.080 Oh, my God.

01:39:11.240 It's just a madness.

01:39:12.560 Is there a reason why they all break down?

01:39:14.080 Like, they're just full of hensh, bro. 1.00

01:39:16.280 Okay.

01:39:16.720 It's bigger than the oldies in the back, bro. 1.00

01:39:18.820 All right.

01:39:19.080 All right.

01:39:19.120 We're going to try to get through these.

01:39:20.560 So raise your hand.

01:39:21.800 Inappropriate.

01:39:22.800 Raise your hand if you think it's inappropriate.

01:39:25.220 Is she a mother and a wife? 0.98

01:39:26.640 Because of the second picture.

01:39:27.720 Because she's trying to show up. 0.84

01:39:28.420 As a mother and a wife.

01:39:29.400 Yes, as a mother and a wife, inappropriate, most say.

01:39:31.960 Okay, go to the next one, please.

01:39:34.720 Yes.

01:39:36.300 All right.

01:39:37.020 This is Haley Bieber.

01:39:40.100 Oh, I knew her.

01:39:41.120 I was going to say.

01:39:41.740 But she's not a mother. 0.99

01:39:42.960 She's just a wife. 1.00

01:39:43.880 She's a wife, though. 1.00

01:39:44.380 And she is a social media influencer model.

01:39:48.600 Yeah.

01:39:48.720 Okay.

01:39:48.960 So I think here's my thought, all right?

01:39:53.020 I think that you can have one, but you can't have both. 1.00

01:39:57.700 If your job is to be a whore. 1.00

01:40:01.720 I think, all right, which I mean. 1.00

01:40:07.560 Which, okay, I'm being funny.

01:40:09.260 I know she did modeling. 0.99

01:40:10.220 I know she did.

01:40:11.040 But if your job is to act sexual or whatever, I say do that.

01:40:16.680 But once you get married, now is the time to be a wife.

01:40:20.460 I don't really advise it before, but my point is more, even if you get paid for it, you should

01:40:26.340 put it away, especially in her position, because she's married to a world-renowned

01:40:31.660 superstar.

01:40:32.540 What does she need her career for? 1.00

01:40:33.760 It actually makes it less worse, though.

01:40:35.720 That makes it less worse, because the rules are different.

01:40:38.820 Because if she's hypergamous and she's putting that out to get the kind of attention that regular 1.00

01:40:43.580 women put that out, good luck displacing Justin Bieber in the hierarchy of men right 0.99

01:40:47.180 now, realistically speaking, you might say, whatever, but really, who's going to pop

01:40:53.020 up on her feet that's going to outplay him the game, right? 1.00

01:40:55.800 He's not getting game.

01:40:57.360 She used to date Drake.

01:40:59.400 What?

01:41:00.260 Did she?

01:41:01.060 I can't imagine.

01:41:01.580 Yeah, because Justin Bieber was dating her, and then she went to Drake, but then she came 1.00

01:41:08.740 back to Justin.

01:41:09.340 And then we have a problem.

01:41:10.100 If that happened.

01:41:11.680 I don't know the sequence.

01:41:12.440 I don't follow the relationship.

01:41:14.000 But seriously, though, the celebrity rules of hypergamy are super different, because the

01:41:18.940 amount of men that have access to her on any sort of relative sexual plane is almost

01:41:22.960 non-existent, right?

01:41:23.940 It's just how it is.

01:41:24.980 I don't know, you know, because her DMs would be crazy. 0.99

01:41:27.620 She would have some very, very serious people there.

01:41:30.240 She would get a million DMs, but it wouldn't matter, because all men to her would just look 0.87

01:41:33.560 like the exact same person, right?

01:41:34.880 Dimitri.

01:41:35.500 There's a chain.

01:41:36.240 I don't know, Dimitri.

01:41:37.260 I think if that were true, you'd see more celebrity relationships work out.

01:41:40.880 Exactly.

01:41:43.300 Right, right, right.

01:41:44.160 But celebrity relationships were failing long before Instagram, right?

01:41:46.960 Right.

01:41:47.440 But I would argue it's for the same reason, because they could...

01:41:50.680 Because women kept advertising themselves? 1.00

01:41:53.400 Yes, partially.

01:41:54.460 And because they have access to all these high-status men.

01:41:58.400 Well, actually, quite the opposite.

01:41:59.780 We know that the propensity to cheat goes down for a woman as the man's income and celebrity 1.00

01:42:04.540 and fame status go up, and they go up for a man.

01:42:06.020 And so in celebrity relationships, the dynamics are reversed, because it's usually the men

01:42:08.800 that leave the relationships or cheat, versus if you have an income that's quite...

01:42:12.140 You know, we had this conversation literally earlier today.

01:42:14.520 Right, right.

01:42:15.080 The reverse dynamics.

01:42:16.380 You're telling me that the divorce rate...

01:42:18.400 Because I could see that for high income, that includes celebrities?

01:42:21.260 No, it's not about the divorce rate.

01:42:23.060 It's about who's leaving the relationships.

01:42:24.640 So it's like statistically, you know, that 90% of relationships are ended by college-educated

01:42:28.400 women. 0.81

01:42:28.700 If the woman's not college-educated, it's like 80%. 1.00

01:42:30.700 But in the relationships of celebrities, those statistics are reversed.

01:42:33.780 It's the men that leave the relationships.

01:42:34.740 And the men leave more.

01:42:35.740 Yes.

01:42:36.560 Because men, like very high-value men, very rich men, basically act like women. 0.96

01:42:40.960 Because they're the ones that the market is now...

01:42:43.160 They're the ones that are being pursued, not the women. 1.00

01:42:45.500 Right.

01:42:45.680 There's no hope.

01:42:46.640 What do you mean?

01:42:47.820 There's no hope for you to marry a celebrity? 0.99

01:42:50.180 No, I just mean it.

01:42:51.180 You said high value.

01:42:52.520 When I class as high value, it's just like...

01:42:54.660 What I mean by that, sorry, I'll clarify.

01:42:56.800 That's a really good nuance point.

01:42:57.860 I just want to clarify.

01:43:04.180 When people say high value and people get like, oh, you mean this and that and these...

01:43:06.900 What I mean is just who the market chooses, right?

01:43:08.700 Okay.

01:43:09.000 Basically, a high-value woman just means that men are offering you marriage. 1.00

01:43:11.680 That's it.

01:43:11.960 And a high-value man just means that women are offering you their bodies. 0.55

01:43:15.560 That's all it means.

01:43:16.140 It's not...

01:43:16.860 There's no metric.

01:43:17.580 There are metrics that you can determine it, but it's just the market.

01:43:19.760 Because you said, obviously, the more high-value they are, the more they're like B-I-T-C-H, isn't it? 0.99

01:43:24.580 So, obviously...

01:43:25.120 B-I-T-C, sorry, I don't understand.

01:43:25.920 B-I-T-C-H-E-S. 1.00

01:43:28.800 I didn't use that word, so I don't understand.

01:43:30.860 Sorry.

01:43:31.340 Oh, Jesus.

01:43:31.980 That's how I spelled it.

01:43:32.960 I understand what the word spelled, but I never said that word.

01:43:35.400 Which is...

01:43:35.520 I was going to say, the reason why we wrote about this in our relationship book, why celebrity

01:43:40.200 relationships are so unstable, and our sort of equation for the stability of a relationship

01:43:46.220 is your partner's value to you, like your perceived value from your partner, divided

01:43:51.880 by the potential partner you think you could get on an open marketplace.

01:43:57.020 The problem with celebrity relationships is because both partners are typically near

01:44:00.820 the perceived top, that once they get to know each other, their relationship is always

01:44:06.180 lower quality than what they think they can get on the marketplace, so their relationships

01:44:10.540 are always going to be unstable.

01:44:12.000 Options.

01:44:13.020 So, can I ask one last question?

01:44:14.620 So, did you say the high-valued men, or did you mean the high-valued celebrity guys, like

01:44:20.000 they turn into more like girly when they're...

01:44:22.180 That's what you kind of said.

01:44:22.700 Not girly.

01:44:23.200 What I'm saying is that as a man grows in his...

01:44:27.220 So, basically, here's how it is.

01:44:28.660 The formula is very simple.

01:44:29.720 A value of a woman on the sexual marketplace... 0.92

01:44:31.560 Again, I know this is getting very objectifying people.

01:44:34.940 Just bear with it.

01:44:35.440 The value of a woman on the sexual marketplace is her present minus her past. 0.99

01:44:38.840 The value of a man on the sexual marketplace is his present plus his future.

01:44:42.060 Okay.

01:44:42.560 Does that make sense?

01:44:43.140 Yes.

01:44:43.300 So, as men age and acquire more wealth and status, they grow in value.

01:44:47.480 And as women age and gain more sexual experience, they lose value. 1.00

01:44:51.100 That's just how it is in the sexual marketplace, right?

01:44:53.160 So, what happens is there's just like a crossover where eventually men that become more and more

01:44:57.140 successful just turn into women in the sexual marketplace. 1.00

01:44:59.720 So, the value of 50-year-old, I don't know, Tom Cruise is like roughly the same as the value

01:45:05.320 of the hottest 23-year-old chick on the planet.

01:45:06.800 But then who are we to say that?

01:45:10.060 I'm sorry?

01:45:10.760 Who are we to say that?

01:45:12.140 To say what?

01:45:12.540 It's supply and demand.

01:45:13.520 It's market dynamics.

01:45:14.200 This is just literal science.

01:45:15.660 Like, there's like, this is just like, I'm not...

01:45:17.800 Well, who are you...

01:45:18.660 So, it's just basically saying that hot...

01:45:20.700 It's just basically saying that hot, tall, rich men have more women throwing themselves

01:45:25.180 at them.

01:45:25.840 Gee.

01:45:26.540 And then they're more likely to...

01:45:28.700 So, definitely, like, people like Kanye, like...

01:45:31.760 Yeah.

01:45:32.140 You know what's crazy about Kanye?

01:45:33.280 I'll give you a really good example, right? 0.95

01:45:34.720 Like, he's insane and he still has...

01:45:37.000 Like, he used the example of serial killers, right?

01:45:39.180 Just fame in itself is such a marker of value for a man because it's a high level of pre-selection

01:45:43.580 and women generally operate in pre-selection as a mating mechanism. 1.00

01:45:46.480 Just fame for a man.

01:45:48.060 You can literally be a serial killer and women are lining up and sending you letters to try 0.92

01:45:51.500 to get with you.

01:45:52.300 They have to...

01:45:52.900 It was a crazy story.

01:45:53.840 There was a story about a serial killer where they had to change the conjugal visit rights 0.98

01:45:57.540 because so many women were showing up. 0.97

01:45:59.380 And he literally said he slept with like 300 women in the course of a couple of months because

01:46:02.840 so many women were... 1.00

01:46:04.100 Like, the women showing up for the conjugal visits, he's like, I have no idea who 1.00

01:46:06.980 this is, but this woman just showed up to sleep with me, right? 1.00

01:46:09.220 So fame is like...

01:46:10.460 Fame is a really crazy...

01:46:11.660 You can really gamify fame, right?

01:46:13.120 But the point is, as men grow, they basically start to become more and more like women just 0.98

01:46:18.340 because their choices go up.

01:46:19.660 They have more opportunities.

01:46:20.920 That's all.

01:46:21.500 Okay, then I understand.

01:46:22.460 All right.

01:46:22.720 So I got a lot of...

01:46:23.560 I got a lot of heat for this one, guys.

01:46:26.380 Yeah.

01:46:27.120 Bring on the lion. 1.00

01:46:28.240 I came for...

01:46:29.480 No.

01:46:29.940 Well, she's in the snacks, but I came for the one and only J-Lo.

01:46:35.460 J-Lo, it's time.

01:46:37.480 I know you look good, but it's time to put it away.

01:46:42.600 You're like 50-something.

01:46:44.380 She looks good.

01:46:45.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:45.120 She looks good.

01:46:46.520 Put it away.

01:46:47.960 That's good.

01:46:48.880 Girl, one more question.

01:46:49.620 Look at, look at, look at.

01:46:50.080 I didn't say she didn't look good, but she's married.

01:46:53.200 She's got a kid. 0.95

01:46:53.860 But what does she have out?

01:46:55.480 Okay, I will answer, okay?

01:46:57.720 That Janet Jackson, serious question.

01:46:59.120 So I...

01:47:00.360 What happened to her?

01:47:01.080 Did J-Lo turn into Janet Jackson?

01:47:03.600 No.

01:47:04.300 I don't know, but she looks great, man.

01:47:06.820 She looks great.

01:47:07.620 Okay, so this chick has got... 1.00

01:47:10.400 Yes, Romeo.

01:47:13.680 One, it's a skin-tight dress.

01:47:16.540 I really think over roughly...

01:47:18.700 I'm going to give women... 1.00

01:47:19.820 In Pearl's world, what am I going to give us?

01:47:21.860 I'll give you...

01:47:22.860 I was going to say 30, but I'm going to say until 32.

01:47:25.740 I'm going to give us an extra two years.

01:47:27.520 Because it's time to change your fashion to be a bit more modest.

01:47:32.480 I actually would actually say a little sooner, but, you know, I'm just...

01:47:36.140 I'm going to be super generous today.

01:47:37.980 A skin-tight dress.

01:47:39.120 So what should she wear?

01:47:39.820 I think...

01:47:40.060 Wait, go back, go back, go back, go back.

01:47:42.060 Yeah, so this is a perfect example of an outfit.

01:47:44.920 You know, she looks...

01:47:45.760 She looks cute.

01:47:46.500 That's very skin-tight.

01:47:47.260 She looks cute, you know. 0.96

01:47:48.840 Definitely skin-tight.

01:47:50.040 She's wearing skinny jeans.

01:47:50.860 You look gorgeous, by the way.

01:47:51.840 Okay, let me...

01:47:52.360 Let me...

01:47:52.840 Let me...

01:47:53.960 Let me get...

01:47:54.660 Let me get this straight.

01:47:55.680 You guys think...

01:47:56.420 Let's pull this up.

01:47:57.920 We're really going to make the argument that what she's wearing and what J-Lo is wearing

01:48:01.500 is the same.

01:48:01.680 But this is two completely different occasions.

01:48:03.660 She's going out first of all.

01:48:04.900 Okay, okay.

01:48:05.880 We're on a podcast.

01:48:07.000 But what does she have out, though?

01:48:09.040 I...

01:48:09.400 Okay. 0.99

01:48:09.920 Her boobs. 0.99

01:48:12.680 It's just a cleavage. 1.00

01:48:14.240 I would say...

01:48:14.960 But we have them.

01:48:16.940 And a very skin-tight dress.

01:48:19.420 It's, like, very fitting.

01:48:21.120 I think that's pretty embarrassing when you're a mom. 0.80

01:48:24.020 Yeah, I think it's pretty... 1.00

01:48:25.280 You are embarrassing your children when you're walking around naked, trying to be a sex object. 1.00

01:48:30.320 But this is not naked. 0.99

01:48:31.200 So you don't think it's embarrassing to look like a granny before your time? 1.00

01:48:34.340 She's not naked.

01:48:34.860 I think it's embarrassing.

01:48:36.840 I think it's more embarrassing to try to look 20 when you're 50.

01:48:40.260 She doesn't look 20, though.

01:48:41.360 She doesn't look like she's trying to look 20.

01:48:42.620 At the age of 50, she looks better than a lot of 20-year-olds. 0.99

01:48:44.980 I'm saying that she is attempting to look 20 by the Botox in her forehead, the fake hair, the pound of makeup in her tits out. 1.00

01:48:55.680 I think at some point as a woman, even if you're a super attractive woman, it's time to put it away and be modest. 1.00

01:49:02.520 Typically, that's when you get married and have children.

01:49:06.700 Some women... 1.00

01:49:07.140 I think it's even more ideal for women to have that value from a super young age. 0.93

01:49:11.040 But I'm saying a wife is a role. 0.91

01:49:12.700 And part of that role, I think, is to be modest.

01:49:15.220 But she's more... 0.98

01:49:16.060 I hate what you're saying.

01:49:17.080 Yes.

01:49:17.340 To a certain degree.

01:49:18.100 But out of all the pictures that we've seen, she's more covered up than anybody else.

01:49:24.420 Even though it's skin tight and everything.

01:49:26.380 I mean, I think she looks great anyway.

01:49:27.660 I'm biased.

01:49:28.300 But anyway.

01:49:28.840 But my thing is that she's still more covered up than any of the other photos that we've seen.

01:49:33.100 So why is what she's wearing an issue? 0.65

01:49:34.820 Okay.

01:49:35.220 Okay. 0.99

01:49:35.720 So, you know, I think this logic is kind of stupid. 0.99

01:49:39.520 Okay. 1.00

01:49:39.760 And the reason I think, you know, is an OnlyFans model pure because porn stars are worse. 1.00

01:49:44.640 Like, okay, we're in a... 0.92

01:49:49.580 I hear it.

01:49:50.160 I hear it.

01:49:50.640 Okay.

01:49:50.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:51.080 I think so.

01:49:51.740 I think with J-Lo, she just looks a bit like...

01:49:53.880 It looks like a woman who's desperately trying to cling to her youth. 0.61

01:49:56.660 Oh, this is one day of the year, guys.

01:49:58.080 That's just basically what this woman represents. 0.98

01:50:00.840 So that's why it kind of just seems to be...

01:50:02.760 I want someone to look out of you.

01:50:04.140 Now, wait, wait.

01:50:06.180 So you said this is one day...

01:50:06.760 Why does she have to look like an old woman? 1.00

01:50:08.000 Wait.

01:50:08.380 So now I'm going to get there.

01:50:09.780 But you said this is one day a year.

01:50:11.840 She just partook in a movie where she played a stripper. 1.00

01:50:16.420 This was very recent.

01:50:17.620 I stand corrected.

01:50:18.980 And the second question you had is, why does she have to look like a grandma? 1.00

01:50:25.160 Was that your question?

01:50:26.380 Yeah, I think at some point, it's time to not be known for your sexuality.

01:50:31.540 I think that's a young woman's game. 1.00

01:50:33.260 Roughly 30.

01:50:34.760 Really, 27.

01:50:36.860 What?

01:50:37.300 You're offending me.

01:50:38.740 Science is getting better.

01:50:42.220 People are looking better.

01:50:43.320 I think most women look good in the cameras. 1.00

01:50:48.600 Now, listen, I think women will put the Botox in their forehead, the makeup. 1.00

01:50:52.840 And on camera, and I see the difference, because on camera, it looks amazing.

01:50:56.260 I produce all the content.

01:50:57.680 You know, amazing.

01:50:58.720 And like, we put it out here.

01:51:00.060 But it's like, in real life, I could see everyone's forehead's not moving.

01:51:04.340 I can see your lip fillers. 0.63

01:51:06.340 I can see all of it, and it looks silly in my estimation.

01:51:11.140 And I think in person, like, and I think it looks like, you know, kind of good in the picture, sure.

01:51:16.720 But in real life, she just looks like a woman that's focused on her looks instead of her kid.

01:51:22.160 I want to word what you said in a slightly different way, because I think it can help.

01:51:27.340 Earlier, you were saying that every man prefers a 23-year-old woman.

01:51:30.000 Like, if you look at men, you know women.

01:51:31.000 I mean, obviously not every man.

01:51:32.220 Not every man, but over the course of the averages, yes.

01:51:34.940 This is because if I'm a man, and I'm 50, and like, I'm just talking like evolutionarily or whatever, right?

01:51:39.940 Like, if my wife had died, and I want to marry a new woman who's going to have, like, maximum fertility, you know, I'm going to marry a young woman with a large fertility window. 0.83

01:51:47.540 And so men sort of biologically, they're drawn to that.

01:51:50.260 This means that if I'm an advertising company, or I'm a movie executive, and I want to put a woman in something that's going to cause guys to subconsciously value that thing more than they should, then I am going to put a woman in that who looks like they are still in their, like, reproductive years, right? 0.88

01:52:06.500 And so they dress in a set, like, it might not be that she looks 20 or something, but she's dressed in a way that's meant to evoke sort of tropes that we associate with this high-fertility woman.

01:52:18.380 Whereas if you look at traditional cultures that have had to survive intergenerationally, they are able to, and they are rewarded for, because you are rewarded for this at the intergenerational level, glorifying the mother and the position of motherhood, even above the position of the woman who is sexualizing herself. 0.66

01:52:36.800 And I think that we can talk about, like, what women owe or whatever, right? 0.72

01:52:40.040 But I think sometimes it's easier, just like with kids, when I'm like, look, if you don't have kids, then you won't exist in the future, right?

01:52:44.820 If you, as a woman, dress in a revealing way, there are a portion of men, not every man on the marketplace, but there are a portion of men who will hold that against you in choosing who they're going to marry, which will make it harder for you to find that lifelong partner.

01:53:01.080 And that lifelong partner is the most important thing, and I hate to say this, as a husband, my wife is the most important thing I could ever achieve.

01:53:07.900 Because I have to deal with, like, every single day, she determines my happiness and my success more than anything else I have ever done in my life.

01:53:16.600 And so when you make those costs, I think we just don't properly tell young women or communicate to them, because it's seen as so negative in our society to do this, the scale of what they're sacrificing when they look for this kind of validity.

01:53:32.340 Yeah, well, yeah, because, you know, you'll see these beautiful 21-year-old chicks starting in OnlyFans. 1.00

01:53:40.340 And what did you sacrifice?

01:53:41.820 A lifetime of happiness for most of them are terrible at business, so you get, what, 500 bucks a month?

01:53:49.000 Cause and effect.

01:53:50.160 And now your kids have to see it.

01:53:51.740 And that's more my point is these women are more concerned about their sexuality than their children. 1.00

01:53:57.240 That's my point.

01:53:58.100 I, you know, they're more, they're, and they think more about themselves than their husbands and their family.

01:54:04.180 And we used to be in a society where family was more important and bringing shame upon your family was the, like, that, that was looked down upon. 0.74

01:54:12.940 But now it's like, I can't even say, put your boobs away. 0.99

01:54:15.900 But these people who aren't doing this, we will be in that society again. 0.98

01:54:19.960 Eventually this big urban monoculture, this, this memetic virus, which is telling everyone to look young and sexualize yourself.

01:54:26.820 These aren't people who are having above replacement fertility rates.

01:54:29.460 The people who are above replacement fertility rates are the ones that are still in these cultures, like the ones you're talking about. 1.00

01:54:34.380 So long as we can protect these people from the school system, which often aims to erase their culture.

01:54:38.820 Yeah, it totally does.

01:54:39.520 Then the future goes back to the past.

01:54:41.540 Well, the very fact that we're having this conversation gives me hope.

01:54:43.940 The very fact that you're talking about this and people are excited about this shows that there's a backlash.

01:54:48.300 We're not okay with this anymore.

01:54:50.860 Next one.

01:54:51.660 Now this one I also got a lot of backlash for.

01:54:54.220 Oh, gosh.

01:54:55.100 Oh, Pearl.

01:54:56.340 I came for Mariah Carey, all right?

01:54:59.360 I came for Mariah Carey.

01:55:01.300 Around the Christmas season.

01:55:02.760 I said, now I know.

01:55:04.540 I know Christmas.

01:55:06.840 Mariah, don't you got twins? 1.00

01:55:10.400 But what's wrong with those pictures?

01:55:11.280 Do you got twins on there? 0.96

01:55:12.300 I think it's because it's showing the boobs. 0.99

01:55:14.020 What, the cleavage? 0.95

01:55:14.820 Are you having a laugh?

01:55:15.660 I think Pearl's a Rastafarian as well, you know.

01:55:19.040 Oh, my gosh.

01:55:19.860 No, I'm 100% serious.

01:55:22.440 You think I'm kidding?

01:55:23.300 No, I know.

01:55:23.740 Look, I'm about to turn 27.

01:55:25.680 I have my turtleneck.

01:55:27.420 Do your thing, man.

01:55:29.000 Do your thing.

01:55:30.120 Do your thing.

01:55:30.800 Oh, God. 0.98

01:55:32.020 Yeah, I think it's time to put the boobs away. 1.00

01:55:35.280 Who thinks this is inappropriate? 0.97

01:55:36.880 Raise your hand.

01:55:38.460 Oh, it's just me and King?

01:55:39.600 I think it's borderline tacky as in and not inappropriate.

01:55:44.420 I think it's tacky.

01:55:45.400 She's just like that man.

01:55:46.100 No, I wouldn't say it's tacky.

01:55:47.700 I'd say it's her image.

01:55:49.260 Thank you.

01:55:49.980 And she's giving the people her image. 0.92

01:55:52.720 She still looks like her image.

01:55:54.360 The glitz, the little bit of cleavage.

01:55:56.820 That is her image.

01:55:57.720 And she's giving the people her image. 0.92

01:55:59.760 Do you know what I mean?

01:56:00.600 She's literally like that man.

01:56:01.700 Like, you're an artist.

01:56:03.480 Would it still be her image?

01:56:05.200 So, literally, what you're saying is, and that's exactly what's happening to someone

01:56:08.180 like Madonna.

01:56:09.100 So, by the time she's 70, she should still keep giving us this image, right?

01:56:12.200 But will she still continue to be an artist by the age of 70?

01:56:17.360 Take the career out, though.

01:56:18.160 But that's what I'm saying.

01:56:18.980 So, Madonna right now literally just keeps walking about naked, half naked, doing all 0.96

01:56:24.220 the whole crazy stuff.

01:56:24.920 But she's still an artist. 0.94

01:56:25.780 Yes.

01:56:26.620 But she's 70.

01:56:28.520 So, the point is like, even at 70, why are you still making sexualized music at 70?

01:56:34.320 And underneath the bed with her thong on, like she's trying to hang out. 1.00

01:56:37.420 Aren't human beings supposed to grow?

01:56:40.620 So, at 20, at 18, you are making sexualized music.

01:56:43.800 At 30, you are making sexualized music.

01:56:45.380 At 50, you are still making sexualized music.

01:56:47.400 At 70, you're still making sexualized music.

01:56:50.640 These are, hold on, hold on.

01:56:52.360 Hold on a second.

01:56:53.540 Can you please pull up a picture of Madonna, please?

01:56:56.700 That's two completely different extremes.

01:56:58.640 We were just looking at a gorgeous picture of Mariah Carey, and all she had was a little

01:57:03.580 bit of cleavage, and now you're talking about thongs under the bed. 1.00

01:57:06.080 We're talking about that.

01:57:06.520 No, no, no, we're talking about image.

01:57:07.480 She said something about image.

01:57:08.460 I said, if she's 70, she still keep putting her books out.

01:57:13.820 Can I say something?

01:57:15.580 Can I say something?

01:57:16.780 Okay, if these people were not artists, and these posts were not relevant to their artistry,

01:57:24.140 which it is, it is relevant to their artistry.

01:57:28.000 Because I've done posts relevant to my artistry, which wouldn't be posts that I wouldn't usually

01:57:33.060 post.

01:57:33.120 Well, you see, this is the point I'm trying to make.

01:57:34.980 You're not even realizing how bad what you're saying sounds, because the fact is that what

01:57:39.040 you're saying is, she's such a terrible artist that she needs to use her body to sell her 1.00

01:57:43.580 art.

01:57:44.200 No.

01:57:44.980 No.

01:57:45.180 Yes.

01:57:45.880 No.

01:57:46.220 No.

01:57:46.500 No.

01:57:46.720 No. 0.75

01:57:46.780 Everybody knows Mariah is a diva. 1.00

01:57:49.580 Wait, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.

01:57:50.160 What about Adele?

01:57:51.220 She's never put her body out there like that.

01:57:52.860 She definitely has her beads out. 1.00

01:57:54.260 She has.

01:57:55.200 She definitely has her beads out. 1.00

01:57:56.640 I can pull up for it.

01:57:57.180 She definitely wears skin tight dresses. 1.00

01:57:59.600 She definitely look good. 0.52

01:58:01.280 So she definitely does do that. 1.00

01:58:02.400 Look, they cut out.

01:58:02.900 Back in the day, she did it.

01:58:03.700 She does now, but back in the day, she didn't.

01:58:05.020 But the point is, one, okay, you can find a bad picture of anybody, but the point is

01:58:17.980 some of these artists, that's what they lead with.

01:58:20.220 That is what all of their pictures with.

01:58:21.740 The fact that you have to find the picture of Adele shows that that is not what she leads

01:58:27.040 with.

01:58:27.340 She leads with her talent because she is talented, and that is the best thing about her.

01:58:33.400 But he's right when he's saying, if you have to post sexuality in order to sell, then

01:58:38.980 you're just not that talented.

01:58:40.540 Adele didn't make sexy music. 1.00

01:58:47.000 She made sad songs about heartbreak. 0.53

01:58:49.300 Mariah Carey did sexy, promiscuous music. 0.95

01:58:52.080 That's why she was branded the way that she was.

01:58:54.540 But her top song is about Christmas. 0.91

01:58:57.120 Like, why do I have to fight so hard to say, put the boobs away? 0.62

01:59:07.260 And she's, she's 50, she's 54.

01:59:11.580 It's time.

01:59:12.680 It is time.

01:59:13.300 You're almost 60.

01:59:13.860 I think she looks tacky.

01:59:15.520 I think she looks tacky.

01:59:17.100 A great thing to remember here, and one of the blessings of our biology, is that as you

01:59:21.560 age, and I think this is one of the big problems in our society, is the things that will give

01:59:25.320 you happiness and fulfillment will change.

01:59:27.780 And one of the biggest problems I think we have is people in their 30s will try to get

01:59:31.780 happiness from the stuff that would have given them happiness in their 20s and fulfillment

01:59:35.060 in their 20s, and they don't find it.

01:59:37.120 And so then they just go further and further and further, and they feel hollower and hollower

01:59:41.240 and hollower.

01:59:42.220 And I don't know if it's the same way with women.

01:59:44.100 I haven't experienced being a woman, so I don't know if in my 30s is a woman trying

01:59:47.500 to find happiness in my sexuality and validation for men lessons, but I suspect it does.

01:59:52.940 And what I can't say is kids, the happiness I get from them in my 30s is incomparable to

01:59:58.840 the happiness I can get from things like video games, which I used to love when I was young.

02:00:01.860 I mean, I still like them, but it's not the same.

02:00:05.460 So someone super chatted a question for the ladies, and I'm going to ask the men the same

02:00:11.560 question, but I want the women to go first. 1.00

02:00:13.180 What do you owe?

02:00:15.860 Wait, who here wants to be married?

02:00:18.680 Okay.

02:00:19.460 Okay.

02:00:20.040 All right.

02:00:20.680 All right.

02:00:21.200 What do you owe the man that marries you?

02:00:23.640 I hate being the first person, I swear to God.

02:00:34.840 Okay.

02:00:35.260 Hopefully, well, a family, obviously when the time's right.

02:00:43.380 I don't know.

02:00:44.480 Hopefully, it's between what's between us both, like a great future.

02:00:49.260 But that's what's decided between us two.

02:00:52.800 Okay.

02:00:53.320 And what would you decide to?

02:00:56.020 Where both our lives are heading, whether if it's like career-wise, it's like, it's

02:01:01.360 choices whether if you want to bring a family in, like if we both want a family.

02:01:05.600 Okay.

02:01:06.400 But that would be the main, main thing for me, if I'd want a family or not.

02:01:11.580 Yeah.

02:01:12.360 What do you owe the man that marries you?

02:01:15.780 Unconditional love.

02:01:17.620 Kids or a family at some point, if that's what we want.

02:01:20.700 Um, honesty, trust, loyalty, forgiveness, the list goes on.

02:01:28.700 Um, I say, oh, the man, modesty, honesty, integrity, basically how I move reflects on

02:01:36.040 him, how he moves reflects on me.

02:01:38.420 I owe him to be the backbone.

02:01:40.460 That's what I was created to be, the rib, to be the one who holds it down, to be

02:01:44.820 understanding, to actually have like emotional intelligence whereby I can think

02:01:48.980 logically and think emotionally and also have, I think is important.

02:01:53.480 You need to be able to fight.

02:01:54.940 Sorry.

02:01:55.280 You need to be able to take care of your kids.

02:01:56.600 If you, if the guy goes off at work and leaves your home with your children and

02:02:00.320 there's no popo coming around, you need to know how to have survival skills.

02:02:03.680 So I think it's important to show your partner that you're able to take care of

02:02:06.540 your family.

02:02:07.040 If he's not there, he needs to be able to trust you with a lot.

02:02:11.300 Respect, support, loyalty, honesty, and communication.

02:02:18.980 I want to hear your answer because I think everyone wants their husband to talk about

02:02:23.120 them like that.

02:02:23.780 Yes.

02:02:24.660 I know, right?

02:02:25.860 Everything.

02:02:26.720 Not just everything I have now, but everything I have the potential to get if I'm

02:02:30.560 extremely ambitious.

02:02:31.960 All of the things I could possibly get, I owe all of it to him.

02:02:36.220 I think most wives do to their husbands when they're truly aligned. 0.84

02:02:39.740 Can you explain that a little more?

02:02:41.220 Well, when, when we got married, it's not about suddenly becoming devoted to a person.

02:02:47.020 It's about becoming a new person that is a combined entity.

02:02:50.720 When we fight, there's not really a fight.

02:02:53.340 What there is, is we have an ideological disagreement about what is best for the

02:02:57.740 combined entity for the family.

02:02:59.780 So it's never, I want this and he wants that.

02:03:01.900 It's, we know we want this, but we have a disagreement about the best way to get there.

02:03:06.160 So that is absolutely everything.

02:03:08.440 And it's everything from him too.

02:03:11.820 What about you?

02:03:12.840 Everything.

02:03:13.280 I like that answer.

02:03:14.060 I can't say it.

02:03:14.600 I know.

02:03:19.020 Well, I don't know if this will probably be not a super popular answer amongst your

02:03:23.520 audience pro, but like, I think that a woman owes a man exactly that, which he has given

02:03:28.340 himself.

02:03:29.520 Like, for example, if I was totally, if, if I was not.

02:03:37.040 Giving her an opportunity to live the life that, that is good for her.

02:03:41.080 If I was not building myself as a man, if I was not growing as a man, I think it'd be

02:03:45.260 arrogant to expect my wife to be any of these things, to be submissive, to be anything really. 0.97

02:03:50.780 Right.

02:03:51.500 So I think my, what my, if I would say what my wife, let's say owes me, it's to treat me,

02:03:58.980 to treat me at the level to which I've kept my promises to myself.

02:04:03.880 And that's all I ask for because it's not a hypocritical position.

02:04:06.600 Great answer.

02:04:06.980 What do you owe your wife? 0.95

02:04:08.780 What do I owe my wife? 0.78

02:04:11.500 I owe her, you know, I owe her the journey that I, I owe her the journey that my potential

02:04:18.600 promised her because, you know, my wife didn't marry me when I was a fine suit mogul traveling

02:04:25.080 all over the planet, et cetera.

02:04:26.160 My wife married me when I had just started a company.

02:04:29.540 And so there wasn't really the, the direct evidence that I would be successful, for example,

02:04:34.640 but there was inferred evidence based on the potential that I have.

02:04:38.580 And, you know, I have this interesting conversation with my wife.

02:04:41.420 I ask her really not for much. 0.82

02:04:42.600 One thing I do ask her is to keep her butt in shape, you know, like keep yourself in 1.00

02:04:46.100 shape and look good. 0.54

02:04:46.680 And we've had four kids, so it's taking more effort.

02:04:48.460 It's just a fact, right?

02:04:49.320 And I say, and I say, the reason for that is like, is really simple.

02:04:53.720 It's because I have a promise to keep to you.

02:04:57.520 Like when you signed up for this, you signed up for a journey and it is my duty to fulfill

02:05:01.440 my potential to reach the pinnacle of my journey as best as I can reach it.

02:05:05.620 I owe that to her because otherwise she signed up not for the man that she married.

02:05:09.600 She signed up for the man that she got.

02:05:11.240 And, you know, Oscar Wilde has a great quote.

02:05:13.120 But he says that women marry men hoping that they'll change, but they don't. 0.95

02:05:20.380 And men marry women hoping they won't change, but they do. 1.00

02:05:24.680 Wow.

02:05:25.200 And so it's my job to honor that phrase by changing as much as I can for the better.

02:05:29.660 And it is her job to keep herself appealing to me.

02:05:32.100 And it's worked so far for over 10 years.

02:05:35.420 I love that.

02:05:35.760 We too have a no fat clause in our marriage contract.

02:05:38.700 Yes.

02:05:38.980 Oh, yeah.

02:05:39.240 You guys have a marriage.

02:05:40.200 Wait, tell me about the clauses.

02:05:43.600 That's interesting.

02:05:44.360 Oh, my God.

02:05:44.920 Well, there is a no fat clause.

02:05:46.160 There's a no boats clause.

02:05:47.760 No boats?

02:05:48.360 No boats clause.

02:05:49.220 We have clauses on everything.

02:05:50.800 Like you can't get a boat without my permission.

02:05:53.480 But at least you're both skinny and you're both fit.

02:05:56.400 But what if you expect your wife to look good, but you don't look good? 0.99

02:05:59.700 You expect your wife to have a great butt, but your butt doesn't look great. 1.00

02:06:02.860 It's a no fat clause for both of us. 0.98

02:06:04.320 I don't know about that.

02:06:05.080 Okay.

02:06:05.620 I think that's a good one.

02:06:06.700 Okay.

02:06:07.020 So what are your other?

02:06:07.920 I'm just curious.

02:06:08.760 We went through everything on our relationships on Reddit and found out where every relationship

02:06:12.900 fell apart before we got married.

02:06:14.360 Then we negotiated every point before it would get hot.

02:06:16.620 So it has everything from interior temperatures that are allowed and how we negotiate that.

02:06:20.880 Wait.

02:06:21.140 Wait.

02:06:21.280 Exactly.

02:06:21.400 Couples disagree about that all the time.

02:06:23.060 Oh, it's too hot.

02:06:23.920 Oh, it's too cold. 0.82

02:06:24.860 But also, like, will we allow our children to watch porn? 0.99

02:06:28.580 Corn. 0.75

02:06:29.220 Will we allowed?

02:06:30.440 How will we deal with aging parents when they want to move in? 0.99

02:06:33.600 How do we deal with finances?

02:06:34.980 All of that is pre-negotiated.

02:06:36.160 You should sell that list.

02:06:37.880 We actually give it away to people who read our book.

02:06:39.780 We, like, have a template.

02:06:40.680 You can just download it.

02:06:41.680 Wow.

02:06:42.060 Wow.

02:06:42.180 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 Because you should negotiate this stuff.

02:06:44.720 That sure explains the angry boat salesman from earlier, huh?

02:06:47.220 Uh-huh.

02:06:47.780 Mm-hmm.

02:06:48.820 Sorry.

02:06:49.240 Can I just ask a question?

02:06:50.020 So what if, like, one of you, like, do gain weight?

02:06:52.700 Uh-huh.

02:06:53.200 What happens then?

02:06:53.760 Well, so, yeah.

02:06:54.460 This is actually the really interesting thing about relationship contracts.

02:06:57.040 Is normally the implied social contract, the classic one, right?

02:07:00.660 You cheat, I leave, right?

02:07:02.440 Right, right.

02:07:03.440 Very, very rarely do people leave.

02:07:05.360 And then suddenly, nothing in the contract, the social contract, you know, be nice to me,

02:07:10.160 be faithful.

02:07:11.520 All rules are now on the table, right?

02:07:13.660 Mm-hmm.

02:07:13.940 So what is written out in our contract is, you know, if you break this rule, it will

02:07:19.620 hurt my feelings.

02:07:20.940 And it's understood that if you hurt my feelings enough times, eventually, I'm going to decide

02:07:24.940 this isn't worth it anymore.

02:07:25.960 He's going to decide it's not worth it anymore.

02:07:27.460 And that's a real practical contract.

02:07:29.700 The point of the negotiation and all the clauses and terms isn't to get to that point of failure.

02:07:34.820 It's to avoid it in the first place by having shared social contract terms.

02:07:40.000 But then let's say if the whole weight gain is due to then a medical factor, how would

02:07:46.920 you go about that?

02:07:48.600 There would be forgiveness and understanding, but also there would be the understanding between

02:07:51.520 the two of us that one of us is no longer attractive through no fault of their own.

02:07:55.480 But that is going to hurt the relationship.

02:07:57.480 Maybe a partner has to find, if they really want to have, you know, sex with someone who

02:08:00.940 is attractive, maybe it would be understood in the relationship that it's fine for them

02:08:04.320 to go find it elsewhere.

02:08:05.560 AI girlfriend.

02:08:06.060 AI girlfriend.

02:08:06.920 Maybe.

02:08:07.240 Maybe.

02:08:07.400 But, you know, I think that that's, it's a practical thing.

02:08:12.220 But these are, these are, the more important thing is that you've negotiated the terms

02:08:16.580 and you have a shared understanding than what happens when the rules get broken.

02:08:20.060 Because we know what happens.

02:08:21.080 You're, you know, the relationship becomes less valuable to one or both partners.

02:08:24.580 But obviously, aren't the vows like free sickness and in health?

02:08:30.080 Oh, and our marriage vows, which we wrote because, you know, we had a secular wedding in

02:08:34.540 the law library, we actually said out loud, I do not promise to love you, but I do promise

02:08:40.040 to help you become the person you want to be.

02:08:42.280 Because you cannot control who you love.

02:08:44.320 Love is, is, is a, your body.

02:08:47.000 To promise to love someone forever?

02:08:48.760 Like, what a twisted thing is that?

02:08:50.400 Love is an emotion.

02:08:51.560 You don't control it.

02:08:52.600 But what I can promise my wife is to every day attempt to try to become the vision that

02:08:59.480 she sees for me.

02:09:00.440 And I think one of the most toxic things in a marriage that is affirmed by our society

02:09:04.320 right now is to marry someone who loves you for who you are, instead of who you have the

02:09:08.320 potential to be.

02:09:09.780 Yes.

02:09:10.280 And the most important thing when you marry someone isn't who they are, isn't even who

02:09:15.400 they have the potential to be.

02:09:16.540 It's who they think you have the potential to be, because if that is not somebody you

02:09:20.800 want to become, that marriage is doomed before it started.

02:09:24.320 But if it is somebody who you want to become, and everybody knows this, so people are like,

02:09:27.500 oh, your wife can't change you. 1.00

02:09:28.420 Everybody knows your social group, your friend group, it changes you, you know?

02:09:31.380 Your wife, your spouse, they can change you.

02:09:34.540 She has changed me.

02:09:35.820 And without her, I would be a shell of who I am today.

02:09:38.620 So what you're saying is that, I don't know, a man has a responsibility to be useful and

02:09:43.560 reach his potential.

02:09:44.440 That's a succinct way of saying that.

02:09:45.740 If only had somebody mentioned that earlier, in such an eloquent way, that surmised everything

02:09:50.120 you said to such perfection.

02:09:51.420 Yeah, for both of them, love them, guys.

02:09:54.540 We should do a podcast at some point.

02:09:56.520 Yeah.

02:09:57.180 Why?

02:09:57.680 You'd say the same thing.

02:09:59.140 Go ahead.

02:09:59.540 Fewer words.

02:10:01.220 Say that when this conversation started, my wife introduced herself as Mrs. Malcolm Collins.

02:10:06.960 And the reason she did that is that is the way that women used to introduce themselves. 1.00

02:10:11.060 Because a relationship and life is a journey away from the self.

02:10:14.880 You start as the atomic unit.

02:10:16.760 When you get married, you truly become part of a team that is presumably inseparable.

02:10:23.500 And then through your kids, you become a story.

02:10:25.740 You become separated from even the physicality of the body.

02:10:28.840 And that's how you pass forwards in generations.

02:10:30.600 And yeah, I think that this is a beautiful way to contextualize one's life and to not cling.

02:10:40.060 When we talk about the forces that are disrupting marriages, one of the core ways they have done

02:10:44.440 this is to atomize marriages, to try to make it so that you are not really with your partner.

02:10:50.560 And I think in many ways, even some concepts of the nuclear family do that.

02:10:55.420 I say when they first started destroying the marriage was when they took the father out of the home.

02:11:00.600 And I think that hopefully, you know, if you look at the 1800s, the corporate family where they all work together,

02:11:04.560 that was the dominant type of family in America. 0.57

02:11:06.880 And I think that in a post-COVID world, where working from home becomes more common.

02:11:11.440 And I hope we can put political pressure on politicians to make it easier to work from home

02:11:14.700 and to make these CEOs who say, oh, people shouldn't work from home.

02:11:17.500 I was actually thinking that that's like a good middle ground for mothers. 1.00

02:11:23.860 But like because now there's more cities that are requiring two incomes, the cost of everything's growing up.

02:11:31.860 I was actually thinking that could potentially be a solution for people that don't have the option for the mom to stay home.

02:11:38.820 She's going to 15-minute cities now. 0.98

02:11:40.560 She's part of the plan.

02:11:42.460 What do you mean 15-minute cities?

02:11:44.320 That's a topic for another time.

02:11:46.620 What does working from home have to do with the 15-minute cities?

02:11:49.380 That's the whole, anyways, let's pass the WF agenda for a minute and keep this off camera.

02:11:53.980 But anyways, yeah, that's the whole postulation of the 2030 agenda is the 15-minute city.

02:11:59.320 Oh, really?

02:11:59.760 Yeah, and so they want to put, anyways, into basically like electronic zones that we can't leave.

02:12:03.740 You can't leave, yeah.

02:12:04.620 Yeah, it gets weird after this.

02:12:06.540 So do you think it's bad if the mom, I was just thinking that would be a potential way for the mom to have an easier time.

02:12:11.960 It's a huge way.

02:12:12.760 You're absolutely right.

02:12:13.860 100%.

02:12:14.100 I was going to say, you guys like had a secular wedding.

02:12:16.560 Do you live a secular life or is this, because everything you're saying is like a course-ruded theology.

02:12:20.700 We're extremely religious, but we're secular Calvinists.

02:12:24.980 We have a constructed religion.

02:12:26.380 Do you remember how I said some people have lost their traditions and they have to rebuild things?

02:12:29.800 I was speaking from experience.

02:12:31.160 You know, we didn't have traditions, but we knew that they would bring value and meaning to our kids.

02:12:35.880 And so we just thought through things and said, how can we convey the values that we share through traditions that we give to our kids?

02:12:42.460 What is, I don't know, I don't know.

02:12:46.680 I'm sorry, probably.

02:12:49.480 What a hog the attention. 0.97

02:12:53.060 Wait, so you made your own religion? 0.91

02:12:56.200 Sorry, as you say things and I don't know what they mean.

02:12:58.540 Sorry, I'm a little crazy.

02:12:59.920 It's one of my problems.

02:13:00.720 Yes, so what a mini.

02:13:02.680 So essentially what we raise our kids believing is like, okay, so if your descendants are still around in a million and 10,000 years, they'll probably be closer to the way you would imagine a deity to the way you would imagine a man.

02:13:13.200 Who's to say that they relate to time the way you do?

02:13:16.620 Maybe they're rewarding you every day for every action you take that ensures a flourishing, pluralistic future for the human species.

02:13:25.200 And they punish you when you indulge in vanity, when you indulge in anything that has to do with the self.

02:13:32.420 And I think if you search your emotions, you will see this is true.

02:13:35.360 Every time, you know, you forsake the future of hopefully our species, the human planet, you will feel a draining of your vitality.

02:13:49.160 And eventually you have nothing.

02:13:50.660 You're turning your future generations into actual God. 0.81

02:13:53.460 Yeah, descendant worship.

02:13:54.500 Like actually literally that's what you're doing.

02:13:55.980 Exactly.

02:13:56.540 Yeah.

02:13:56.940 That's our religion.

02:13:57.680 Oh, really?

02:13:58.120 So I guess I can surmise that in a much more compact and eloquent way.

02:14:00.720 Well, I mean, there you go.

02:14:02.600 As eloquent as you.

02:14:03.580 What do you guys think?

02:14:04.940 What do you owe your future wife? 0.98

02:14:07.160 And what does she owe you?

02:14:09.120 So let's start with what I owe my future wife.

02:14:11.280 So I owe her my loyalty, my unconditional love, stability as a man.

02:14:22.620 I said unconditional love.

02:14:25.900 Just my respect for her, you know, being the bearer of my children.

02:14:31.240 Acknowledgement sometimes.

02:14:32.500 There's obviously more, but that's all that I can think of at the moment.

02:14:40.540 Everything.

02:14:41.760 Can I point to the obvious?

02:14:43.240 That's exactly what a woman wants, though. 1.00

02:14:45.280 Sorry.

02:14:46.520 What you said is exactly what a man wants.

02:14:48.080 A man wants respect.

02:14:49.120 A man wants acknowledgement.

02:14:50.220 A man wants loyalty.

02:14:51.100 And a man wants stability.

02:14:52.240 Yeah.

02:14:52.440 So you want to offer to your wife what a woman offers to the relationship. 0.99

02:14:55.660 Well, a woman needs stability for sure. 1.00

02:14:57.120 Otherwise, why am I getting what can I offer her?

02:14:58.480 But it's a woman that brings stability to the home. 1.00

02:15:00.080 That's the whole point.

02:15:00.900 Yeah.

02:15:01.020 But as a man, if I'm going out to work my nine to five, bringing the money home, she needs stability to work the house. 0.99

02:15:06.740 Right.

02:15:07.280 So that's where I'm coming from.

02:15:08.980 Really?

02:15:09.220 I feel like women are much more chaotic and men are more stable. 1.00

02:15:13.040 Obviously. 0.91

02:15:13.740 Oh, okay.

02:15:14.460 So.

02:15:14.700 No, but of course.

02:15:15.580 Okay.

02:15:16.820 That's like the Jordan Peterson view.

02:15:19.540 But.

02:15:20.340 We practice short and shield marriage or shovel and shield from Shovel Knight. 0.90

02:15:26.160 But the idea being that in our marriage, and there's different ways you can relate to gender roles.

02:15:29.860 We see the woman's role is being the protector of the family, i.e. she's in charge of the steady income. 1.00

02:15:35.180 And then the man's role with the sword is to push forwards.

02:15:38.520 And what that means is he does like the venture capital stuff, the starting the companies, the media pushes, which is meant to raise the family status.

02:15:46.000 And so the woman protects the family stability wise while the man advances the family's goals in the world. 0.85

02:15:52.340 Can you explain that a little more?

02:15:53.360 There's a biological basis for this, right?

02:15:55.880 You know, men have high testosterone.

02:15:57.940 What does testosterone enable?

02:15:59.140 It enables aggressive behavior, risk-taking behavior, basically go big or go home.

02:16:03.060 That is really good for instability.

02:16:05.180 That's good for the venture capital, not the, you know, bond holding.

02:16:07.520 Think about like a Viking.

02:16:08.740 Like the woman stays home and tends the farm. 1.00

02:16:10.720 And the man goes out and gets the plunder and brings it back.

02:16:13.400 Or, you know, smart in communities.

02:16:14.680 It's not good for instability.

02:16:15.460 It's good for bringing order to instability.

02:16:17.480 No, but you see, and that is why I actually agree with them.

02:16:19.620 I actually agree with them because that is why in the past it was actually the woman's family that used to bring the dowry.

02:16:26.760 Yeah.

02:16:27.080 Because the woman's family brings the dowry that gives the family the stability. 0.98

02:16:31.880 And then the man builds upon that.

02:16:32.500 That's not consistent across all cultures.

02:16:35.180 It's actually consistent across a lot of cultures.

02:16:38.660 It's just over time, it's shifted.

02:16:40.880 It's shifted in a lot of cultures.

02:16:42.400 There's different futile reasons for that.

02:16:44.600 I understand your argument.

02:16:45.260 It's just the premise of it.

02:16:46.120 In America, it was from the, in the UK, it was from the woman's side. 0.64

02:16:53.180 But I think, I think in Africa, King, is it in African cultures?

02:16:56.880 It's more, it's more from.

02:16:57.640 It was in Africa as well, but it's also shifted after a while.

02:17:00.300 Africa, Middle East, it was always from the man's side. 1.00

02:17:02.020 But there's different ideological reasons for that.

02:17:05.080 Like they don't, the argument doesn't quite correlate.

02:17:07.400 But imagine a relationship where a woman is trying to bring order to a man. 0.98

02:17:12.220 And that's a, that's a devastating relationship, right?

02:17:14.320 Because then you're trying to basically become the man's mother. 0.78

02:17:16.480 A mother brings order to a man, right? 0.73

02:17:18.140 So it is in fact a man's job to, to create order. 0.96

02:17:20.580 And the whole thing about testosterone, right?

02:17:22.380 Like men have a higher propensity for risk-seeking behavior, but that propensity for risk-seeking

02:17:26.720 behavior is in order to bring the outside world into order.

02:17:29.580 But that's a discussion that's going to be quite lengthy and quite deep.

02:17:32.200 Yeah.

02:17:32.380 Yeah.

02:17:32.700 It sounds like we're talking about dominance, maybe more than order, but whatever.

02:17:36.060 Okay.

02:17:36.480 Sorry.

02:17:36.720 Say that again. 0.71

02:17:37.320 That's a, that's a really interesting, say it again.

02:17:39.440 It sounds like we're talking about dominance rather than order.

02:17:41.700 Okay.

02:17:42.160 Can I ask you, that's a great point.

02:17:43.560 I'd love to dig on that one.

02:17:45.140 How would you differentiate the two?

02:17:47.340 Order is systematizing.

02:17:48.580 Order is putting everything in its place.

02:17:50.040 Order is, is, is making sure, you know, it's, it's making the schedule, the itinerary,

02:17:53.480 packing the picnic basket.

02:17:55.140 Dominance is saying, this is how it's going to be.

02:17:57.000 I'm setting a boundary.

02:17:58.460 This is, this is the family's vision.

02:18:00.300 And I think that one is very masculine.

02:18:01.680 And can I tell you why that argument breaks down immediately?

02:18:04.260 Yeah, sure.

02:18:04.600 Because as a business owner and a businessman who owns a company with offices across 26

02:18:08.480 countries, if I go to the market and I say to the market, this is what you're going

02:18:11.280 to want.

02:18:11.520 This is how it's going to be.

02:18:12.380 The market's going to say, F you, Dimitri, we're not buying it because people vote with their

02:18:15.280 dollars, right?

02:18:16.160 And so a man cannot bring dominance to the market.

02:18:18.020 A man can only bring order to the market. 1.00

02:18:19.440 And it's only what the market desires.

02:18:20.820 So that argument is, is.

02:18:22.780 You're talking about the market, not a marriage.

02:18:24.580 A marriage is a market. 0.98

02:18:26.320 Can we just agree to disagree that we all live our lives differently?

02:18:30.220 And what works for one doesn't have to work for the other.

02:18:32.540 But as long as you're happy, I'm happy.

02:18:34.960 I love that word.

02:18:36.080 Happy.

02:18:36.840 You're a poor guy.

02:18:37.580 I think you figure it out.

02:18:39.620 So what do you think?

02:18:41.280 I mean, you're talking about a list that goes on and on and on.

02:18:44.260 But for me, a lot of things, love, respect, for me, it's just a whole element that can

02:18:53.940 contribute to happiness.

02:18:55.640 Yeah.

02:18:56.240 What about you?

02:18:57.560 Yeah.

02:18:57.760 I think men, generally, in my opinion, I think we should provide financial stability, security.

02:19:05.400 I think those traditional things shouldn't really die, shouldn't really go away.

02:19:09.560 I think love, respect, communication, a lot of the things everyone has already said.

02:19:15.220 But I think those are the basic things, you know, like as a man, I think, you know, they're

02:19:18.960 very important things.

02:19:19.900 And if you provide that, I feel like you could have a successful relationship and marriage

02:19:24.880 as well.

02:19:26.600 And by the way, dominance and order are the same thing in prison.

02:19:30.720 But only between men.

02:19:33.660 When women enter the market, it changes because women, who's choosing the, who is waiting at 1.00

02:19:37.500 the finish line?

02:19:38.240 How did you get that to this?

02:19:39.320 Who is waiting at the finish line to pick their mate? 1.00

02:19:42.320 Okay, I'm good at that.

02:19:43.400 Women are waiting at the finish line and they pick the winners. 1.00

02:19:45.620 Do you contextualize cleaning?

02:19:47.160 Like, what do you think of that?

02:19:48.060 Is that bringing order or is that like a separate thing?

02:19:50.640 So, the theological view would be order within the home versus outside the home.

02:19:55.040 Cleaning is bringing order within the home.

02:19:56.560 So, I personally view that as a woman's duty and a lot of people disagree, but that's how 0.64

02:20:00.680 I choose to.

02:20:01.100 I think women are messier than men in 2023. 1.00

02:20:04.040 Yeah.

02:20:04.660 I would say so.

02:20:06.560 I'm not sure about that.

02:20:07.820 I agree with that.

02:20:08.180 We just, we just hired it better.

02:20:10.340 There's no way I can get ready with girls now. 0.99

02:20:12.260 Messy as in like leaving clothes on the ground.

02:20:14.220 Crazy.

02:20:14.820 I just think gross. 0.96

02:20:16.100 Like, I mean, have you seen a girl's bathroom? 1.00

02:20:17.860 Oh my God.

02:20:18.560 I'm just trying to say.

02:20:19.380 I'm just trying to say.

02:20:19.760 I'm just trying to say now.

02:20:21.060 Toilet seat. 0.91

02:20:22.480 Oh, it's disgusting.

02:20:23.320 I'm just trying to put my face on the pillows.

02:20:24.760 Eat the pool.

02:20:25.340 Eat the pool.

02:20:26.740 Okay.

02:20:27.240 I'm going to read Super Chats really quick.

02:20:29.760 Tech review, Tom. 0.98

02:20:31.500 Blue suit is a psychopath. 0.91

02:20:34.540 Glenn Lawrence. 0.99

02:20:36.860 Sorry.

02:20:37.700 That's funny.

02:20:38.260 Glenn Lawrence.

02:20:39.460 There was a thing called a bride price. 0.99

02:20:42.180 Juan Figuero.

02:20:43.540 Pearl, I love you.

02:20:44.760 Tell the guy in glasses he's a beta.

02:20:47.820 Sorry.

02:20:48.200 Juan, feelings lead to divorce, compromise.

02:20:53.360 Wait.

02:20:53.660 Feelings lead to divorce, compromises, everything.

02:20:57.000 Thane Matra, out of pocket.

02:20:59.620 No one needs to see your bits at 70.

02:21:03.020 Thank you, Thane.

02:21:04.120 I actually, I gave women until 32 today. 0.83

02:21:08.260 Nice.

02:21:09.200 Thanks for that.

02:21:10.080 I was thinking 27, but I was like, you know what?

02:21:14.220 Let's give them a couple years in their thoughts.

02:21:18.200 F.S.

02:21:19.140 Claire, when a man can have a robot that won't destroy him in family court, take his kids 1.00

02:21:23.700 and have an artificial room, women will finally get it. 1.00

02:21:27.040 Technology will bring men the peace women refuse to give them. 1.00

02:21:30.820 Good luck.

02:21:32.360 Glenn Lawrence.

02:21:33.180 She's a bodybuilder, competitor, and coach. 1.00

02:21:36.640 Juan, women want us for resources. 1.00

02:21:38.820 We want them for fertility and beauty. 0.97

02:21:40.600 Why would we want a modern career woman that is masculine? 1.00

02:21:43.700 How is that, how that impacts, I'm guessing the kids maybe.

02:21:48.520 Tech review.

02:21:49.740 Tom, women are attracted to ambition in men. 0.87

02:21:53.080 Glenn Lawrence.

02:21:54.000 It's not that women don't have anything to offer. 0.99

02:21:55.900 It's that they, what they offer gives them the thing that gets them.

02:21:59.980 Wait.

02:22:00.700 It's that they offer what gives them the thing that gets them the fastest sense of satisfaction.

02:22:06.920 Glenn Lawrence asked.

02:22:08.200 Oh, I asked that question already.

02:22:10.360 I'm going to refresh it.

02:22:11.700 Um, I think we're good.

02:22:17.080 Go ahead.

02:22:17.960 Well, I've got to respond to this because this brings up something that we have in male

02:22:21.300 culture that's very similar to women constantly trying to be young. 0.57

02:22:24.100 When a man is in a long-term monogamous relationship, his testosterone goes down.

02:22:29.480 When a guy has kids and he's in any way involved in raising them, his testosterone goes down.

02:22:34.200 With every kid he has.

02:22:35.320 The male body, when a man is a dedicated father in a monogamous relationship, is going to look 0.92

02:22:42.060 like a beta male if you were in your 20s.

02:22:45.280 Chasing that constant alpha 20s look throughout your entire life means that you aren't spending

02:22:51.400 time on the things you should be if you are a great dad.

02:22:55.540 And at the end of the day, I don't care like what these guys think of me.

02:23:00.020 I care that my wife is satisfied and that I have a lot of kids.

02:23:04.280 I think you can have your cake and eat it too at this point because the first time I came

02:23:08.200 on Pearl's show, I was surprised.

02:23:09.880 She said, come on the show.

02:23:10.580 I said, sure.

02:23:11.460 And all the comments were about how fat I was. 0.99

02:23:13.600 And I realized very quickly that I need to get my ass back in shape, right? 0.99

02:23:16.620 And the reason I realized that is because I have also two sons and I want to set an example 0.96

02:23:22.440 for my sons that I do put myself through pain and suffering by lifting heavy things.

02:23:28.060 And so when you talk about like, yes, you're right.

02:23:29.780 The testosterone does drop when you get married.

02:23:31.420 The testosterone drops.

02:23:32.340 Having a woman around, the testosterone drops with each kid you have. 0.98

02:23:35.140 But you can also take deliberate actions to increase your testosterone, like lifting heavy

02:23:39.080 objects and other nutrients in the way that you choose to live your life, right?

02:23:43.240 But remember, he said he wanted to please his wife and nerdcore is my type.

02:23:48.780 Hot.

02:23:49.140 I'm between you guys gazing at each other.

02:23:54.140 Should I move?

02:23:54.480 Sparks are flying.

02:23:55.740 Sparks are flying.

02:23:56.620 But here's the thing.

02:23:57.600 He sends photos to me.

02:23:58.920 He doesn't post online.

02:24:00.220 I think these guys who are trying to, you know, look like they're in their 20s, look like

02:24:04.800 they're, you know, high testosterone males when they're pair bonded and they have kids are 0.92

02:24:09.460 very similar to those women in bikinis with their boobs out posting on Instagram. 1.00

02:24:13.820 Who's the audience? 0.86

02:24:15.140 I'm Malcolm's audience.

02:24:15.940 My sons.

02:24:16.260 My sons.

02:24:17.220 Yeah, your sons.

02:24:17.720 I understand that.

02:24:18.560 It's my sons.

02:24:20.140 And I appreciate that.

02:24:20.940 And you should have a body that works for your sons.

02:24:22.780 You should have a body that shows that you can be fit and healthy.

02:24:25.480 Malcolm is fit and healthy, but he's also trying to be hot in the way I like hot.

02:24:29.440 And he's hot in the way I like hot.

02:24:31.900 All right.

02:24:32.700 You're giving hope to a lot of, you're giving hope to a lot of men watching.

02:24:37.280 I have to encourage this.

02:24:39.000 I love it.

02:24:39.740 I love it.

02:24:40.380 Okay.

02:24:41.780 Very nice show today.

02:24:43.280 I think we're going to close out.

02:24:44.700 So now is the time in the show where you give your final thoughts.

02:24:48.040 Any topic you want to speak your piece on, you can shout out your social media handles, whatever.

02:24:53.440 Start here.

02:24:54.280 Go around and then second row.

02:24:55.800 Anika J.

02:24:56.520 Official.

02:24:56.800 Oh, guys, make sure you go and check out my music.

02:25:04.080 I've got new songs coming out soon.

02:25:06.160 My name is Remy Jean.

02:25:07.100 It's two E's on the Jean.

02:25:08.800 And yeah, DM me.

02:25:09.860 Send me a message.

02:25:10.340 I'm quoting my mother again.

02:25:13.160 She goes back in the day.

02:25:14.680 It used to be about slow reaction.

02:25:16.680 Now it's quick action.

02:25:17.640 So what you do, we'll come back to you.

02:25:19.900 And also check out Channel 4.

02:25:22.500 I bought this girl that was mentoring from years ago onto TV.

02:25:25.860 And now she's doing very, very well.

02:25:27.640 Giving opportunities to the Jamaican diaspora because we need to have some shine.

02:25:32.140 So yeah, I don't really need to shout out the social.

02:25:34.500 Just you'll see my face.

02:25:35.420 There you go.

02:25:36.420 Love it.

02:25:37.820 Pearl, thank you so much for having us.

02:25:40.340 Thank you as well, Ty.

02:25:42.240 My name is Gigi Tenasi.

02:25:43.820 I'm an artist.

02:25:44.520 Please follow me on the gram.

02:25:46.080 Gigi Tenasi Official.

02:25:47.900 Thank you.

02:25:50.220 There's a lot of evil and a lot of bad in our society today.

02:25:53.180 But thank God the forces arrayed against good are not as competent as they are malevolent.

02:25:59.200 This should be an easy battle to win.

02:26:01.400 And we'd love it if you joined us over on our podcast or YouTube at Base Camp.

02:26:04.640 Or you can always check out our book series, The Pragmatist Guide Series.

02:26:07.360 Hey guys, I am Dimitri.

02:26:10.920 You can find LGFG, like look good, feel good, lgfg.com.

02:26:15.420 I'm on a mission to teach young men and women how to make a million dollars a year.

02:26:20.160 I'm on a mission to help people become more self-sustained and build their personal value so that they can take care of others.

02:26:26.140 I define leadership as the impact you have on others in your lives.

02:26:30.460 I think everybody knows a person or has heard about a person that when you meet that person, your life gets a little bit better.

02:26:35.640 And I hope that you aspire to be that person for others.

02:26:40.160 And if you're looking for a career and you're stuck in a career that's not fulfilling to you and you want to grow,

02:26:45.700 to give you guys some background, tomorrow morning I'm with Jordan Peterson.

02:26:49.420 He's a client of ours delivering his suit.

02:26:50.820 Then I head up to Manchester, to Tommy Fury, and then over to Ozzy Osbourne.

02:26:55.920 That's the kind of clients we have.

02:26:56.960 That's the kind of stuff we do.

02:26:57.900 And I can teach you the same.

02:26:59.760 lgfglugatfeelgood.com.

02:27:01.960 Nice.

02:27:02.580 Yeah.

02:27:03.080 We'd love to see you over at Basecamp.

02:27:05.640 It's a really fun podcast.

02:27:07.140 But also, I think what Malcolm has been emphasizing over and over is that if you don't like the culture you're growing up in,

02:27:13.620 if you're not happy, and if you're not happy with your options, you can build your own path.

02:27:17.680 You know, just hack your way through the jungle with a machete.

02:27:20.980 It's totally doable.

02:27:22.720 And I think we're going to have to do that.

02:27:24.540 You know, Pandora's box has been opened with the internet with a whole lot of stuff that we can't put back.

02:27:29.200 So let's forge a new path if you can't find one that you like.

02:27:33.820 Yeah.

02:27:34.320 So my name is Jaden Dominique.

02:27:35.720 I want to thank you, Pearl, and everybody else here for having me and inviting me.

02:27:40.020 My final thought would be, well, let me give you a little brief thing here.

02:27:45.160 So I used to work in a nine-to-five, used to work and live in check-to-check.

02:27:49.760 I've then taken a leap of faith to work for myself and to invest in myself and believe in myself.

02:27:55.820 And so far, it's going good.

02:27:57.280 So if anybody who's just looking for that leap of faith to just do their own thing and make their own business,

02:28:01.960 I'll say go for it because I've done it and it's working for me.

02:28:04.920 So, yeah.

02:28:05.320 Love that.

02:28:08.560 My name is Ty, founder of LDNRBS, a group of young kids that literally, and I have a member here too,

02:28:15.100 but a group of young kids that came out with creative ideas and just loads of things in general

02:28:21.440 in a youth club that was designed to get kids off the streets

02:28:26.080 and have ended up influencing a lot of creators all across the UK.

02:28:30.120 So, yeah, LDNRBS.

02:28:33.240 Yeah, and I'd like to firstly thank you for the opportunity.

02:28:36.340 I think these conversations are very, very important,

02:28:38.260 and I really, really hope that, you know, we can make a change in this world

02:28:41.680 because I think it is necessary.

02:28:43.140 I think it is getting to that, into a point where it's like, yeah,

02:28:46.580 it's going to be crazy if we don't change ourselves.

02:28:49.980 So I think these conversations are very important.

02:28:52.380 And, yeah, like, you know, I've taken a lot away.

02:28:55.020 I think we all have, you know, different opinions a little bit.

02:28:58.020 It was a little bit heated, but I think he made it like a, you know,

02:29:00.940 it was a very interesting show.

02:29:03.480 And, yeah, I just hope that we can make a positive impact and change in this world.

02:29:08.600 But, yeah, co-founder of LDNRBS, check us out.

02:29:10.740 You know, I also do music, so follow me as well.

02:29:13.260 Tykeezy, T-Y-K-E-Z-I.

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02:29:50.920 Ciao.

02:29:51.240 Ciao.

02:29:51.540 What the...

02:29:54.100 Yeah, it was meds.

02:29:57.120 That was so much fun.

02:30:02.540 Yeah, it goes to fight and Nika J. 0.99

02:30:05.300 I said it.

02:30:06.540 What's that?

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JustPearlyThings - November 03, 2023

DO WOMEN OWE SOCIETY CHILDREN ｜ THE PREGAME SHOW ｜ EP 156

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