Doctor DROPS TRUTH Bombs On Modern Women
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the pro-life vs. pro-choice debate, the difference between consciousness and non-consciousness, and the role of the mother and the baby in human rights violations. We also discuss the conjoined twins case, and whether or not there is a right to life for a child born with shared organs.
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Yeah, so I think, you know, we can obviously disagree about and or agree about when abortion is okay
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But I think we can still agree on what this is that we're talking about
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I don't think we need to sort of distort the reality and say it's not a human being or something
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I'm not accusing you of deliberately doing that
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But I really think, you know, we have to get these basic biological facts agreed upon because otherwise we're never going to agree on anything
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And you know, this is a baby from about 16 days
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The baby's heart begins to pump blood around the body at six weeks
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It begins to hiccup and suck and swallow maybe seven weeks from four to five weeks
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It's beginning to move by itself from about ten weeks. It can probably feel pain and it's conscious
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There's all these things that develops very quickly
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But if you want to say oh, it's only a full human being when it's fully developed
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Well science again shows us a human's brain is not typically fully developed until they're 25 years old
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So some of you Gen Z people are not fully developed
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People to distinguish between humans and say you're valuable. You're not you have a right to life
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I'm more developed than some of you not because i'm more intelligent, but because i'm just older and you know
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That doesn't make me more of a human. It doesn't give me more of a right to life
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It just means i'm older but we are equal because we're equal human beings
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And the pro-life view just says that's the same of every human being though
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We're all equal no matter how developed and no matter how big no matter how independent
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We are all human beings and therefore we're all equal the mother and the baby
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And so the pro-lifer has to say the mother matters infinitely the baby matters infinitely
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And we have to do our best to try and protect both
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Um, so i'm i don't find the consciousness argument very compelling just for the record
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But i've never read anything that suggests that there's consciousness at 10 weeks. Um, the earliest i've read is 20 weeks
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I it's not that I do not believe that there is a type of life there
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But I think it's very strange that we're all considering that it will be a guaranteed baby at the end of it
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A fetus especially in the earlier stages to be a potential life is because 20 of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage anyway
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But I mean there's also a number of other things that could happen in this span of time
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Um, and I mean stillbirths is still one in 175 as well if you're particularly unlucky as and removing all variables though
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It makes sense to consider viability and certainly an embryo is not what do you mean by viability?
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If it if it can sustain its own system by itself
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Okay, and that doesn't and that is not the same as the fact that a mother needs to feed it and such
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I guess though that does get difficult if we because we're talking here about what makes a life life
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And that's actually a pretty important legal question later on when we're thinking about human rights violations, right?
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Who gets to have human rights as a you know as a human person?
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Uh outside of the womb and if we're saying that a human is only a human only deserves the right to life if they're
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Breathing and supporting their own body on their own without any help from anyone
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That puts in a very difficult situation people who are lying in comas
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You're using all of these analogies. It's not the same
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Okay, so twins there's many legal cases on this. These are twins that have shared organs
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Maybe one of them is using the other one's heart. They're fully dependent. They're linked by their bodies
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It's a very intimate relationship that doesn't just go on for nine months
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If you have a sister that is sharing your heart and that is using your heart
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The law is absolutely clear. You cannot kill them even though they're dependent on you. They can't sustain themselves
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They're invading your body in a very if you're sharing a heart. They would die. You'd both die
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That's a big big point. I mean there are cases like you know sharing a liver for example
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There you know, there's a there's some there was born like that. That's how they that's a
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However, you get some can you kill one and keep the other anyway, though?
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That doesn't make sense if one dies both of them then I think he's talking about conjoined
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No, but even if they're conjoined like how is that even a choice like when you have like they're still twins
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If you're even thinking about abortion, but then thinking about twins
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You would only think about that if you're thinking about getting rid of both of them
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You couldn't make a choice of oh i'm going to get rid of one and keep the other anyway
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Even you never know someone might do that. Is that even possible?
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Yeah, we know because the department of health keeps pretty good statistics on abortion and says why every single abortion is done
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And there's actually a pretty substantial on the nhs website
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If you look, it's called selective reduction or multiple pregnancy and quite a few abortions each year are done
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Basically because there are too many babies and they have to
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Get rid of some so hold on just based on what you said because I actually understood your point after you made it
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Like can you if you've got twins growing in you and you decide to kill one of them and can you keep the other twin alive?
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Yeah, because I actually don't know if you can do that
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Yeah, it's quite common, but then really it's possible that's common no, but hey damn near make anything
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Things like that that's the reason why I would kind of understand why it's like you guys that would be pro-life because
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What kind of person does that if you have twins you have twins?
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How can you be like oh, but it's still financial
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It's still financial. It could still be financial though, innit?
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Yeah, but then if it's financial don't have a baby
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Some people might have only planned to have money for one
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Yeah, I mean i'm not saying i'm just really shocked. I didn't know it was scientifically possible to kill one out of two
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When they when they made when they made abortion, it was supposed to be like safe rare
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I just think it's gotten ridiculous to the point one out of three women are having them. It's birth control
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How many abortions can you even have that's another thing as well
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I can't remember the exact number but it's roughly 40 of women that have had abortions have had two or more
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So no, but is there a cap on it? Can i'm sure no, you can just
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I mean, i'm pretty sure it must definitely have an impact on your fertility
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Yeah, well and and i've heard stories of girls that have eight nine abortions
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And that's what i'm saying like it's not even safe and rare anymore. It's just women making poor decisions
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So in in the 1980s, the average woman in romania had eight abortions
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Well, that was the average woman wait in romania in romania in the 1980s or maybe 1960s
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Why it was was there no contraception? There was no contraception
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Yeah, I mean yeah, so they they you know, it was there was no contraceptions, but they could have abortions
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There was very limited contraception. That doesn't make sense either. Why did they do that?
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And I just think all of these reasons just come to be excuses when it's just like we can close our legs
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We don't have to make children with like these bad guys. No, but why can't we meet in the middle? Sorry. No, I agree with you
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But it's like why can't we start with the women before we go to the men we always talk about men's responsibility
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But men are legally responsible if they get a girl pregnant they have to pay child support
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So after after we we both get pregnant, that's equally as long as they're working
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Wait, listen, listen if we if we get pregnant, it's equally irresponsible, right?
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Well, I mean I would argue it's more on the women, but we'll we'll for that for that
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Well, I mean when you think about it now, okay, think about it
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We got we got ten choices. They have condom no condom
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We know when we ovulate we can get on birth control. We can do plan B
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Did you know that you can do an abortion adoption? Like we have all these choices the men have one
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Did you know that the um contraception pill was actually designed for men?
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I think actually that they decided that well, you probably know better than me that it was better for the women to take it
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Because too many, you know, like the the men didn't want to have all of those
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No, and that study was like one or two of them died
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I want to say so that was why they had to cut it because some women died as well
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I don't think it's that common. I think it's more I think the reason is a bit more commonsensical like it's I think it's easier to
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I just think that's the reason why it's harder to find contraceptive for men
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No, no, they made it work. It's just that men didn't like the side effects
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The side effects of birth control are quite a long list
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No, but there was it was sterilization and one or two people died in that study
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So that's why they were like way worse than the side effects for women
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So suicidality is a side effect for women's birth control
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When 90% of women are on it, I just don't think it's that common especially when men commit suicide more
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So the men we need to raise our voice women try to commit suicide more
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But they tend to be less successful because they don't pick lethal methods
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That part is true, but if we're on societal arguments, that is sort of where my
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uh, um interest is so when it comes to thinking, okay, so what benefits are there if we ban abortion
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Well, theoretically that would potentially be more kids that could be a bonus
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Um, the birth rate is falling in a lot of developed countries
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But when I think of what the negatives are, um, it's significantly more in my opinion
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For women, if you start to take away these types of rights, they are going to naturally feel oppressed
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Um, it's going to reduce, uh, the things that they do, they're going to change their behavior
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Um, they're going to be having sex less, relationships less
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And already gen z is having relationships less and sex less
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So it might not necessarily end up maybe they'll get married
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Well, well if we ban divorce, I think maybe it would go back up