JustPearlyThings - July 12, 2023


Doctor REVEALS The Gruesome Nature of Ab＊rtion Procedures


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Length

10 minutes

Words per Minute

197.96268

Word Count

2,047

Sentence Count

167

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Thank you. I'm curious. So you're a doctor.
00:00:02.640 Yeah. Did you like what's your experience with have you ever like worked with doctors that have done abortions or what's your.
00:00:09.180 Oh, yeah. I actually have a friend who ran BPAS, the largest abortion provider in the country.
00:00:14.700 She was the CEO, but she's a very sincere, honest woman who thinks she's doing the right thing for women.
00:00:19.540 And so, you know, yeah, we have a good friendship.
00:00:23.680 I have plenty of colleagues who do abortions. I obviously disagree with them.
00:00:27.040 You know, in the Hippocratic Oath, it's it literally explicitly says I will not do abortions.
00:00:31.240 It's been pretty, pretty integral to the medical profession for centuries and centuries.
00:00:36.440 I did not know that. Yeah, it's most people don't know.
00:00:40.380 Actually, someone said, did you not take an oath? Why are you pro-life?
00:00:43.340 And the oath literally says you can't do abortions. It's pretty wild.
00:00:48.280 Yeah. For me, you know, this is this is an issue that is both ethical, but it's also medical.
00:00:52.540 Like when you look at the outcomes, women who have abortions for an unwanted pregnancy, this is women who have an unwanted pregnancy.
00:00:59.820 If you have an abortion, you have a 30 percent increased risk of anxiety, a 70 percent increased risk of suicide, a 130 percent increased risk of alcohol abuse and a 300 percent increased risk of drug abuse.
00:01:12.040 And that's if you don't have one, if you if you have an abortion, if you have one.
00:01:15.920 Yeah. Yeah. Compared to the same women with the same previous psychiatric issues, the same socioeconomic stuff, the same unwanted pregnancy.
00:01:24.300 Correlation doesn't equal causation. There could be a number of variables for those reasons.
00:01:28.060 But that's why they take into account all of those things.
00:01:30.240 So they adjust for socioeconomic status, for previous psychiatric history, for domestic violence, for all sorts of things.
00:01:36.040 And they find even when you keep those constant, the women who have abortions have much worse mental health outcomes.
00:01:41.320 Well, and I think it's just common sense, to be honest.
00:01:44.140 This is why sometimes I'm like, you don't even need to study to tell you that.
00:01:47.140 Like, I know women that have had abortions. They're never happy after.
00:01:50.880 The women that are keeping them are more likely to be in happy relationships in the first place.
00:01:54.480 If they have the support, they're going to have better mental health outcomes.
00:01:56.240 But this is like, it's always a cope. It's always there's something.
00:01:58.820 You know, it's so funny. Women have never heard that argument when we're talking about pay gap.
00:02:12.520 So you would never hear a woman say, well, there are so many other factors that could contribute to it.
00:02:17.800 But it's funny how they say that for abortion.
00:02:20.100 That was never my argument either.
00:02:21.720 If you want to yell about the pay gap.
00:02:22.920 We weren't talking about you.
00:02:24.620 Well, he was pointing at me.
00:02:25.860 But I think it's funny because it's so funny.
00:02:33.040 It's just something I notice with girls.
00:02:34.400 It's always like they take the argument and it's like they always use me.
00:02:37.820 But it's not about you.
00:02:38.460 Well, I was the one saying it and he was looking at me.
00:02:41.120 I'm not even talking about you. I'm talking about in general.
00:02:46.000 So you said you're I'm curious.
00:02:48.480 Can you tell me what happens during an abortion?
00:02:51.720 Yeah, it really depends on the kind of abortion.
00:02:53.520 So there's two main kinds.
00:02:54.800 There's there's medical, which means using pills or there's surgical.
00:02:57.680 So in a medical abortion, you take two pills.
00:03:00.280 The first pill will, you know, deprive the baby of oxygen and nutrients so that it basically suffocates.
00:03:05.660 And then the second pill, misoprostol, will eject the baby and cause, you know, labor and cause a miscarriage at a very late stage.
00:03:12.520 Which because the baby could be born alive.
00:03:14.100 Like if you do this at 22 weeks, the baby might come out of the womb alive.
00:03:17.860 You have to perform a procedure called fetus side, which you can guess what that means.
00:03:21.620 It's the killing of a fetus.
00:03:22.940 And that's one of the reasons for thinking this is a living thing.
00:03:26.020 Right.
00:03:26.220 They wouldn't call it fetus side if it wasn't alive.
00:03:28.360 Wait, so they'll kill it after it comes out.
00:03:31.160 No, no.
00:03:31.460 So what they do is before they do the abortion, they will put a needle through the mummy mother's tummy and they will stick it into the baby's heart or sometimes into the head.
00:03:40.460 And they will pump in potassium chloride and that will kill the baby.
00:03:44.460 Now, this has been banned, potassium chloride, in capital punishment.
00:03:48.740 So if you look at human rights groups, they say you cannot use this chemical in capital punishment because it's inhumane to kill rapists and murderers this way.
00:03:57.840 But this is exactly the same chemical they use to perform fetus side in late term abortions.
00:04:02.740 Now, those are a small number, but, you know, they still occur.
00:04:05.160 There's still hundreds of them each year in this country.
00:04:08.880 Surgical abortions are quite different.
00:04:10.300 At an early stage, you use a vacuum.
00:04:12.360 So that basically vacuums the baby and destroys the baby through the force of the vacuum.
00:04:17.640 After about 12, 13, 14 weeks, the baby is too kind of big and tough to be vacuumed.
00:04:22.360 And so you have to dismember it.
00:04:23.760 So you basically just pull the limbs off the baby bit by bit.
00:04:27.240 It's horrible to think about, horrible to say.
00:04:29.180 I don't like saying it, but it's just the reality.
00:04:31.340 It's a dismemberment, basically.
00:04:33.660 If the baby's head is too big to remove from the womb, they will have to crush the head.
00:04:38.040 Oh, my gosh.
00:04:38.880 I should bring it out.
00:04:39.640 So it's pretty horrendous.
00:04:41.980 And if you read academic papers where abortion providers give their thoughts on it, many of them say, actually, this is terrible.
00:04:49.480 Many abortion providers say, I'm only going to do it up to 12 weeks because after that, it's just too horrible.
00:04:53.900 So it's something that, you know, most abortions are in the first trimester.
00:04:59.340 I'm not pretending that most abortions are these horrible, gruesome, late-term things.
00:05:03.200 But just as an example, there are 3,000 abortions in this country after 20 weeks each year.
00:05:08.560 So after 20 weeks, five months, when the baby's pretty much viable, 3,000 abortions take place by those sorts of methods.
00:05:16.700 And so it's still something that, you know, if 3,000 children were being killed by that method in any other circumstance, we'd say that's way too many.
00:05:23.820 That's 3,000 too many.
00:05:26.260 Yeah, sorry.
00:05:26.820 That was a very deep and heavy answer to the question.
00:05:27.960 So what happens in the first one, you said they're deprived of nutrients.
00:05:31.720 Can I challenge you on that?
00:05:33.260 Please.
00:05:33.500 Because I've looked up both of these drugs.
00:05:34.880 So you spoke about mysoprostol, but mifoprostol is the first one that's more common.
00:05:40.880 It's an antiprotestogen, yes, and it causes the cervix and uterine vessels to dilate, and then it causes a contraction.
00:05:47.180 I don't see it anywhere where it's, like, doing what you're saying.
00:05:51.620 Yeah, so it has a number of mechanisms.
00:05:53.480 So there's, you know, three or four or five different ways that it acts.
00:05:56.820 But the main thing that it does, if you search online, it will say it breaks down the uterine lining.
00:06:01.840 So it basically breaks down the connection between the mother and the baby.
00:06:05.060 And, of course, that connection is what's providing the oxygen and so on.
00:06:08.880 Sometimes the baby does survive it.
00:06:10.880 Usually the baby is killed by the deprivation of oxygen.
00:06:14.320 If it does survive, then it would be the contractions of the uterus that will, you know, squash it and usually end its life.
00:06:20.960 Yes.
00:06:21.400 So essentially the drugs that would, I mean, some of these drugs are still used for induction of labor and such.
00:06:26.540 And, well, one of them is also used for stomach ulcers or something.
00:06:30.840 So I find it, I don't know, I feel like the way that you said it, especially for the first drug, it felt more emotional.
00:06:39.040 Especially since, because they're having these abortions so early on.
00:06:43.940 When you're saying depriving the baby of oxygen, is it breathing?
00:06:48.620 Because, hmm?
00:06:50.500 I don't think it's breathing, is it?
00:06:52.140 No, so it gets oxygen through the umbilical cord.
00:06:55.200 But no matter how you're getting oxygen, if you're deprived of it, you will still have the same physical response.
00:06:58.680 Yes, but I think using words like breathing invokes an emotional response in all of us.
00:07:02.820 And we're thinking, oh, it's this little thing that's breathing.
00:07:04.680 Well, I didn't say breathing, you said breathing.
00:07:06.520 Oh, I think you did.
00:07:07.680 You said depriving of oxygen.
00:07:08.380 No, I didn't say it puts off the oxygen, yeah.
00:07:10.720 Oh, okay, you didn't.
00:07:12.540 I said it deprives it of oxygen.
00:07:14.300 I didn't say it was breathing.
00:07:15.360 You know, the oxygen is coming through the umbilical cord.
00:07:18.680 And that is just how it works.
00:07:20.380 Now, I'm not saying the baby is conscious from the moment of conception.
00:07:23.700 I don't believe that.
00:07:24.840 I'm not trying to pretend that from the moment of conception, the baby will feel things and will always feel something during an abortion.
00:07:30.120 But certainly by the end of the first trimester, I think, is extremely likely.
00:07:34.920 And we don't know exactly when consciousness begins, but it probably does begin within the first trimester.
00:07:40.200 And at that point, if you deprive the baby of oxygen, it doesn't matter whether you're covering its head or just cutting the umbilical cord or whatever.
00:07:49.080 When your body is deprived of oxygen, if you are conscious, then, you know, that will affect you.
00:07:56.280 And that is what causes the demise of the baby.
00:07:58.540 Yes, but I guess with a consciousness argument, it does not bother me because babies don't even get self-awareness to 15-odd months.
00:08:06.500 And I don't advocate for throwing babies into dumpsters.
00:08:09.100 So the consciousness that a thing this small has is relatively irrelevant, in my opinion.
00:08:13.980 Obviously not to everyone else here.
00:08:15.800 So why don't you think it has self-awareness to 15 months?
00:08:18.940 Because it doesn't pass the mirror test until around then.
00:08:21.600 You can't acknowledge that it exists.
00:08:23.740 But that doesn't mean I think babies should be thrown in dumpsters.
00:08:26.420 Just because it doesn't have self-awareness capabilities yet, it hasn't even reached stage one, doesn't mean that I don't think it is an entity that is existing that should be protected and has protection.
00:08:36.220 Sure, but I think most neurologists and psychologists would say the mirror test is not a good test of self-awareness.
00:08:41.760 Well, it doesn't pass any self-awareness tests until around that age.
00:08:44.860 But again, I don't think it's important because I don't advocate for destruction of babies when they're born.
00:08:52.140 So whether there is any like valuable consciousness there doesn't really matter too much to me.
00:08:59.480 So you think if it feels excruciating pain as like a newborn baby, that doesn't matter?
00:09:03.960 No, I don't think pain matters now.
00:09:06.440 I sound like a sociopath now.
00:09:08.040 But pain is very little of a consequence to me.
00:09:13.260 When you're dead, you won't feel it.
00:09:15.180 I mean, they used to think that newborn babies don't feel pain.
00:09:17.800 So they used to do surgery on newborn babies because they said these newborn babies can't feel pain.
00:09:23.100 They're not sufficiently conscious.
00:09:24.740 They're not sufficiently self-aware.
00:09:26.120 And so they would just do surgery on newborn babies without any painkillers, without any anesthesia.
00:09:31.000 But they changed that a few decades ago because there was a pretty unanimous consensus within medical science that newborn babies can feel pain, even if they can't pass the mirror test.
00:09:41.740 Yes, but regardless of when they feel pain, if they are not of any kind of valuable consciousness to me, which I don't think they gain until much older, it doesn't matter because it's just trying to put an emotional response on a blob.
00:10:05.080 It is not an entity that is developed enough for anything to be of any importance.
00:10:10.760 The pain receptors are just irrelevant to me.
00:10:14.760 It doesn't know of its existence.
00:10:16.500 It doesn't know of its pain.
00:10:18.140 So why does the pain matter if it doesn't know of it?