JustPearlyThings - June 25, 2023


Emotional Trans Man Accuses Pearl Of This


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Length

9 minutes

Words per minute

203.1205

Word count

1,879

Sentence count

172

Harmful content

Misogyny

10

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Hate speech

15

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Summary

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial issue of transgender people being allowed in the women's locker room and the bathroom. We discuss the pros and cons of allowing trans people in the bathroom and what we would do if we allowed them in the men's bathroom.

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00:00:00.000 So if someone was assigned female at birth, they've transitioned to male,
00:00:03.500 and you're saying that they need to go with their biological sex
00:00:06.040 or their gender assigned at birth.
00:00:10.260 So they could have gone through every single process
00:00:13.160 to have bottom surgery, have top surgery.
00:00:16.400 They've been through hormone therapy.
00:00:17.600 They've been on hormones for like 10 years.
00:00:19.700 They look like a cisgender man, 0.98
00:00:24.200 but they've just followed you into a women's toilet 1.00
00:00:25.940 because you said that biological women should go into the women's toilet. 1.00
00:00:30.240 Aren't women's toilets already completely separate cubicles? 1.00
00:00:32.940 Am I missing something?
00:00:34.280 Like I've never seen a transgender person's pee-pee, like ever. 1.00
00:00:38.120 But the whole point is...
00:00:40.940 I do think changing rooms is a bit different,
00:00:42.960 but bathrooms is just like... 0.98
00:00:44.800 I don't think we should be forced to share a bathroom with men.
00:00:50.180 I'm just trying to figure out how you'd know.
00:00:52.220 Unless someone was obviously close to the beginning of their transition,
00:00:55.940 I mean, we already have a lot of unisonics.
00:00:57.680 Then I don't know how you would know.
00:01:00.300 I mean, it's pretty...
00:01:01.940 Unless they was to do a baseline surgery.
00:01:02.660 I mean, I'm not even trying to be rude.
00:01:04.400 It's pretty obvious.
00:01:06.060 Like you can usually tell.
00:01:07.700 Like even in this room, it was pretty easy for me to tell.
00:01:10.300 But does it really matter unless they do something really bad?
00:01:13.820 Does it matter like if you just see them coming in or out?
00:01:16.120 Like as long as they're not seeing anything bad?
00:01:17.640 But you're forcing me to pretend that there's something that they're not.
00:01:21.100 No, you don't have to.
00:01:22.060 You can still think they're what they are.
00:01:23.420 You just wait for them to leave.
00:01:23.860 Yeah, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
00:01:25.680 Right, but we're supposed to have the...
00:01:27.680 It's supposed to be the women's locker room, the women's bathroom. 1.00
00:01:31.600 And so it's like when we have to be okay with them coming in.
00:01:35.040 Again, it's like you're asking me to accept that there's something that they're not.
00:01:39.320 No, I don't...
00:01:39.600 Do you know what?
00:01:40.400 No, it's not because your opinion at that point would have to be relevant to the person
00:01:44.620 using the bathroom.
00:01:46.000 So like, for example, if a transgender person came into the bathroom and had to put up with
00:01:50.600 your negative prejudice opinion...
00:01:53.480 My negativity, yes.
00:01:54.500 Then it's up to that person if they give you airtime.
00:01:57.600 If they think that you're just some negative Nancy, they'll just go to the toilet and leave. 0.99
00:02:01.400 I'm actually like a Karen, so I would go to the manager and I would say, hey, there's
00:02:06.120 a man in the bathroom.
00:02:07.700 And they'd probably ask you to leave.
00:02:09.140 So who?
00:02:10.340 Who would?
00:02:11.000 They'd probably ask you to leave.
00:02:11.980 Well, in this woke culture, yes, but I'm trying to stop that.
00:02:14.380 But do they really look completely like a man or are they a transgender woman and they're 0.99
00:02:18.480 trying the best?
00:02:19.280 See, I get really confused all the words, like the trans, cis, it just confuses me a bit.
00:02:24.640 But if we're going to go to the men that become women, I would say it's very easy to tell.
00:02:30.180 Like at that tournament, I could say that one, that one, that one.
00:02:32.780 I would say the other way around, it's a little harder, but it's still pretty easy to tell.
00:02:38.120 So like, say of all of the trans women that you've met, would all of them bother you or 1.00
00:02:41.800 some bother you more than others?
00:02:44.360 Just your feelings.
00:02:45.760 All of them bother you about the same amount.
00:02:47.020 All of them I would not want in the bathroom with me.
00:02:51.260 Yeah.
00:02:51.660 I feel like we should base being sort of wary of people on when they actually do something
00:02:58.880 bad.
00:02:59.840 No, but again, the policies, again, because the issue is if we allow them in the bathrooms, 0.98
00:03:05.760 then what's next?
00:03:06.940 Then it's the prisons.
00:03:07.980 Then it's the sports.
00:03:09.180 Like it just never stops.
00:03:10.980 There's always something they're going to be fighting for.
00:03:13.380 They have already regulated, at least in the UK, they've regulated the prisons pretty well.
00:03:17.360 I do think there is still work to be done with sports, but these are all very interesting.
00:03:21.660 Individual issues that have different problems.
00:03:23.500 I'm about to get kicked out of the league for it, to be honest, because I said something
00:03:27.700 about it.
00:03:28.300 Are we honest?
00:03:29.240 I think the biggest issue is you're just calling trans women men.
00:03:32.880 I feel like if you'd have used their PC language, they probably couldn't have had as much of an
00:03:37.220 issue with it.
00:03:37.480 But why do I have to change my language?
00:03:44.060 Because it's just respectful.
00:03:45.060 That's what it is.
00:03:45.900 It's just respectful.
00:03:46.480 Again, again.
00:03:47.060 It's like calling a black person an animal. 0.99
00:03:48.240 Again, I wouldn't say that it's the same when it's what you're born as. 0.99
00:03:53.780 It's your biology.
00:03:54.880 So it's like...
00:03:56.060 It's for me, it's just confusing.
00:03:58.420 Because if someone doesn't say...
00:03:59.780 No, black people are not born niggers, though.
00:04:00.440 No, but if you know the words in other languages, negro means black.
00:04:05.060 Yeah.
00:04:05.500 Negro is different from nigger. 1.00
00:04:06.660 It doesn't matter.
00:04:07.980 It does matter.
00:04:09.440 It does matter.
00:04:10.540 I'm not going to find this.
00:04:11.620 Can I finish?
00:04:13.060 You just cut me.
00:04:15.040 It's a terminology that people use.
00:04:17.980 And black people do not like when it's used by people that are not black.
00:04:22.760 Okay?
00:04:23.120 This class is disrespectful.
00:04:24.980 So my example, it doesn't need to be taken for word for word.
00:04:30.200 If you've got a broad enough mind, you'll be able to look at the example and see that
00:04:34.560 you're calling someone a word and a phrase that they find disrespectful.
00:04:38.960 It could be someone that's obese, you're calling them fat.
00:04:41.120 If you're a respectful person, you wouldn't call someone a terminology that offends them.
00:04:45.840 If you're a disrespectful person, you won't mind because you would like to offend people
00:04:48.960 and make people feel uncomfortable.
00:04:49.820 I don't think fat is that bad.
00:04:51.340 I don't agree with that because...
00:04:52.480 I think saying if someone's fat and they deserve to die or something is that bad.
00:04:55.460 Exactly.
00:04:55.740 I don't think saying like fat is that bad.
00:04:57.040 Exactly.
00:04:57.460 My argument was...
00:04:58.260 You don't need to call anyone fat.
00:04:58.760 No, my argument was...
00:04:59.600 You don't need to call anyone fat.
00:05:00.400 My argument was black people are not born negroes.
00:05:03.580 But trans women are born men. 1.00
00:05:07.360 What are black people born? 0.99
00:05:08.660 They are born as black people.
00:05:10.060 And what does negro mean in other languages?
00:05:11.920 No, no.
00:05:13.920 Negro, negro, if you go and check the... 1.00
00:05:16.720 Do you mean like Spanish words?
00:05:18.160 Yeah.
00:05:18.400 I'm not going to say it because it sounds too similar.
00:05:20.840 I know the history, but the example, you're clinging on to one part.
00:05:24.400 No, it was used as a slur.
00:05:26.020 That's different.
00:05:27.300 You being born as a man is not a slur.
00:05:29.160 This is reality.
00:05:30.020 Sis is a word used to explain a biological person.
00:05:34.360 It's a slur.
00:05:34.940 It's all words.
00:05:35.800 It's all words that can cause offence.
00:05:37.580 If you want to use it, fine.
00:05:38.760 But now you guys are demanding that we change our language to accommodate you.
00:05:43.140 Okay, for me, it's just confusing.
00:05:44.620 So I need to know if we're talking about men or trans women.
00:05:47.220 So if you keep calling trans women men, I don't know what we're talking about at a certain point.
00:05:52.420 We kind of have to use these labels.
00:05:54.220 Otherwise, the conversation...
00:05:55.040 But that's the byproduct of this whole thing.
00:05:58.340 It's not the original way human beings have been thinking for the past couple of years that's causing these problems.
00:06:03.780 But trans people have been around for a while.
00:06:05.560 It's the new way of thinking.
00:06:07.280 No, but yeah, trans people have been around, but there has been a way of thinking for the past couple of thousands of years.
00:06:12.300 Yeah, it wasn't spoke about.
00:06:13.720 Like, with the gay community, not a lot of people came out that they were gay for a very long time.
00:06:19.300 They hid it.
00:06:20.180 And it's the same with the trans community.
00:06:22.540 Why do you think that is?
00:06:24.360 Until they feel comfortable enough to discuss their sexuality, their gender, they are not going to come out and say, oh, I'm this.
00:06:32.240 I mean, gay people suffered in the same way that trans people did, right?
00:06:35.340 Everyone assumed all the gay men in the bathrooms were trying to fuck the kids, and there was a lot of pedophile.
00:06:40.020 Like, we kind of evolved our thinking from this.
00:06:44.400 And I have a lot of empathy towards people that are wary about their kids being trans.
00:06:50.160 It's a lot.
00:06:50.940 And there's a lot of discussion about whether X, Y, or Z is safe, et cetera.
00:06:57.580 But the reality is we did move on from that.
00:07:00.020 I want to say that was, like, the 90s where we were having these types of things.
00:07:03.460 George Michael and I.
00:07:04.660 Yeah, sort of thing.
00:07:06.100 Yeah.
00:07:08.680 But then I'm also not really convinced there is, like, a transgender ideology.
00:07:14.480 I know this kind of upsets a lot of people.
00:07:17.220 I do think that how things are is a mess.
00:07:20.400 I do think in certain situations it's not quite there yet.
00:07:23.820 I think in a lot of sports it's a mess.
00:07:26.120 I completely understand the anxiety, especially around changing rooms, because being naked is a vulnerability.
00:07:33.040 And I don't want to, like, I'm a cis woman.
00:07:34.640 I don't like being naked around anyone.
00:07:36.620 It doesn't feel good.
00:07:37.520 And if one of the people was, like, a pre-op transgender person, it would feel uncomfortable. 1.00
00:07:43.340 But I feel uncomfortable all the time.
00:07:45.600 So I don't know how much to base my feeling on what should be policy.
00:07:49.120 I do think that these things could be fixed easily.
00:07:53.340 Just fucking everyone should have their own cubicles. 0.99
00:07:56.280 But I also realize that in a lot of situations there isn't that yet.
00:08:02.240 Right?
00:08:02.520 If you're playing sports in a place that doesn't have those, like, facilities, that sucks for you.
00:08:07.780 And I don't want to, like, disregard that.
00:08:10.840 Again, like, cis women are a protected class. 1.00
00:08:13.720 Transgender women are a protected class. 0.99
00:08:15.420 And I think people are trying to kind of swoosh.
00:08:16.320 What do you mean protected class?
00:08:18.860 So we have protected, you know, when it comes to, like, the law and things, when it comes to sexism and things that can negatively affect us.
00:08:28.900 There are certain things that make us protected.
00:08:31.700 But what there is for transgender women is a little bit different.
00:08:36.320 Well, transgender people in general.
00:08:38.400 But anyone that is a protected class is, like, black people, for example.
00:08:42.880 Or, yeah, it's just different things that are put in place to consider that we're, you know, different.
00:08:52.920 A minority. 0.57
00:08:53.620 That's the one I was looking for earlier.
00:08:55.000 Yeah, but women are a minority. 1.00
00:08:56.120 But I don't still don't understand what you were saying earlier.
00:08:58.380 They're, like, why I should be punished for my speech when what I'm saying is true.
00:09:02.780 No, you shouldn't be punished.
00:09:03.760 So, like, with the.
00:09:05.640 No, I was talking to you.
00:09:07.320 Because you said you wouldn't have, like, been in that situation if you just used their pronouns.
00:09:11.400 So it's, like, why do I have to change my language when what I am saying.