JustPearlyThings - August 08, 2023


FEMINISM Has Always Been A Hate Group


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10 minutes

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In this episode, I sit down with Key to discuss feminism and what it means to be a feminist. We talk about what feminism means to her and why she thinks it's important that women have equal pay and access to abortion.

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00:00:00.000 Okay, so what's your name?
00:00:01.420 Key.
00:00:02.640 And what do you think about feminism? 1.00
00:00:05.280 I think it's different now.
00:00:07.720 I think that a lot of maybe first and second wave feminists 1.00
00:00:12.040 might not agree with the new wave right now
00:00:14.800 in terms of how things are being done
00:00:17.620 and what they're fighting for
00:00:19.040 and not being able to necessarily support in the same way
00:00:21.160 by what they actually say.
00:00:23.400 I feel like a lot of things are said right now
00:00:26.180 that are not actual beliefs,
00:00:28.180 but I'm also talking points that sort of disrupt the idea
00:00:31.060 of communication and conversation.
00:00:32.840 So it gets a bit hard to actually have a genuine conversation.
00:00:36.080 So, yeah.
00:00:37.920 You know what's interesting?
00:00:39.180 I'm going to show you this stat.
00:00:41.320 Did you know in 1848 and in the late 1800s and 1900s,
00:00:45.260 feminists were bombing churches and planning assassinations? 1.00
00:00:49.860 Okay, didn't know that. 0.82
00:00:51.800 So to me, it's always been a hate group.
00:00:57.120 What is a hate group?
00:00:57.840 Define a hate group.
00:00:59.320 That's a good question.
00:01:00.580 I think feminists want privileges at the cost of men. 1.00
00:01:06.960 Feminists want privileges at the cost of men. 1.00
00:01:08.960 I think, yeah.
00:01:09.960 I think I can hear that.
00:01:11.660 Yeah.
00:01:12.080 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:12.720 I also think that most people that fight for anything
00:01:17.660 would do it at the cost of anything
00:01:20.920 as long as it supports what they believe.
00:01:23.060 So, I hear you.
00:01:24.480 That's interesting.
00:01:25.940 Because to me, it's just like they scream equality.
00:01:28.240 So I just want to see it.
00:01:29.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:01:29.980 That is the one thing.
00:01:31.460 But I think that equality,
00:01:34.300 I think the argument for equality is one that isn't,
00:01:37.760 it's nuanced, surely, right?
00:01:39.300 And I think that it depends on what you mean by equality
00:01:41.860 and what needs to actually be equal
00:01:45.160 versus what needs to be, what's the word?
00:01:49.720 Based on merit, for example.
00:01:51.300 Right.
00:01:51.760 You know, and if it actually makes sense
00:01:54.520 for certain people to be in certain positions.
00:01:57.220 Do you think that women need feminism in 2022? 1.00
00:02:01.820 I think, I don't know.
00:02:05.680 Because I don't think feminism is the same thing. 1.00
00:02:09.200 I think it's different.
00:02:10.560 I think it depends on what you define feminism as. 1.00
00:02:13.320 And I think that's one of the issues of feminism. 1.00
00:02:15.040 Do you want to hold this?
00:02:15.980 No, because I feel like it might be a bit uncomfortable.
00:02:17.460 I don't know.
00:02:18.240 No, we're not supposed to.
00:02:19.440 Oh, cool, yeah, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you.
00:02:22.740 I think, yeah, I think feminism means different things 1.00
00:02:25.520 to different people nowadays.
00:02:27.140 And depending on who you're talking to,
00:02:29.640 you get a different answer.
00:02:31.040 So I don't know if we need the very particular
00:02:35.480 view that feminism has right now. 1.00
00:02:41.520 That is essentially equality, equality, equality,
00:02:45.040 until equality means men having something.
00:02:48.240 It's this weird sort of, like, yeah, we want equality,
00:02:52.080 but not if men get something instead of women. 0.75
00:02:54.700 And I think that's a bit weird to say that.
00:02:56.520 You can't scream equality and not actually be about equality.
00:02:59.960 Do you think men, since women have the option 1.00
00:03:02.380 not to be mothers, like they can get an, 0.87
00:03:04.820 like, so if you get a girl pregnant, right,
00:03:07.460 she has the option to get an abortion. 1.00
00:03:09.140 Yeah.
00:03:09.240 Do you think that men should get the option 1.00
00:03:11.460 to have a financial abortion? 0.99
00:03:13.120 Yeah.
00:03:13.640 Yeah?
00:03:13.940 I do, I do.
00:03:14.620 I truly do.
00:03:15.320 But I wouldn't frame it in that way.
00:03:17.440 But I think that if you actually have a choice in the matter,
00:03:21.780 I think that's quite important.
00:03:22.820 And I think that men don't really get the opportunity
00:03:24.540 to have a choice in the matter.
00:03:25.860 So, and, yeah, that needs to change.
00:03:29.040 Well, thank you so much for sitting down.
00:03:31.000 I appreciate it.
00:03:32.240 I thought this man was very nice, and I liked his outfit.
00:03:36.780 Should I sit closer so you don't have to...
00:03:38.480 Can you sit a little closer?
00:03:40.440 Thank you, God.
00:03:41.820 Oh, my gosh.
00:03:42.800 We just can't be giving this out.
00:03:44.740 Okay, so, what...
00:03:47.320 Do you think that feminism is a hate group? 1.00
00:03:48.960 So, I was actually standing here thinking about that,
00:03:52.900 and in a certain sense, I agree, but not...
00:03:57.280 The first thought I had was,
00:03:58.720 yeah, this is hatred towards men, blah, blah, blah.
00:04:00.660 But actually, I think it's not that.
00:04:02.660 I think it's...
00:04:04.260 I sense in modern feminism
00:04:06.360 a certain amount of hatred towards femininity.
00:04:11.340 Okay.
00:04:12.060 Okay, fine.
00:04:12.920 You know, like, I think about what is it
00:04:14.700 that a lot of feminism over the last 30 years is about, 1.00
00:04:18.960 and it seems very much about having the kind of power,
00:04:23.380 prestige, and sort of the picture of success
00:04:27.920 that men have and created,
00:04:31.100 rather than the kind of feminine version
00:04:35.940 and picture of success.
00:04:38.900 Why do you think that is?
00:04:40.080 Well, I guess it's a movement that, at its foundation,
00:04:51.960 seems to really derive in the political sphere.
00:04:58.680 And so, obviously, if you're a party in the political sphere,
00:05:02.100 you know, you're going to be going after political power,
00:05:05.780 not, oh, the public life, that's not important,
00:05:11.060 it's the private life that's important, let's...
00:05:13.720 I mean, that wouldn't be a very successful political position.
00:05:17.840 And it certainly wouldn't get you a lot of power and votes.
00:05:21.520 Right.
00:05:21.620 So, if that was a movement of some part of feminism, 0.98
00:05:27.000 and, you know, I'm sure there is a part of feminism like that. 1.00
00:05:30.080 I know in the Nordics, like, there's a lot more,
00:05:32.680 actually, women choosing to stay at home 0.85
00:05:34.520 and, you know, with kind of, you know, quite a lot of free choice.
00:05:37.120 But I would guess that that part of the movement
00:05:40.520 would probably not be the most ambitious in driving
00:05:44.520 and grabbing votes and pushing other people
00:05:46.540 kind of to the side and winning,
00:05:48.400 because it's not a very sharp-elbowed kind of position.
00:05:50.700 It's more about, like, yeah, no, like, you know,
00:05:54.220 your relationships at home with your family,
00:05:56.180 with your extended family, with your community,
00:05:58.220 that's what matters.
00:05:59.200 Don't worry about what's going on in Berlin, in London,
00:06:02.680 in Washington, that's kind of not what matters in life. 0.99
00:06:06.440 Why do you think it's okay for women to say men are trash, 1.00
00:06:10.300 but it's not okay for men to say women are whores? 0.99
00:06:15.420 Well, I think you see that in many of the dichotomies, 0.97
00:06:22.160 you know, from, like, probably going back to, like,
00:06:26.440 communist stuff where there was, like, 0.99
00:06:29.040 oh, the people who build the businesses, they're rubbish, 0.96
00:06:33.320 but the people who work in the businesses, they're great, 0.98
00:06:35.260 and, you know, now there's a whole black-white divide.
00:06:38.320 So, I mean, it just happens everywhere
00:06:40.060 where you have very militant groups,
00:06:42.640 and why is it okay?
00:06:47.080 Yeah, I don't know how that came about.
00:06:51.600 I think it's a real shame.
00:06:53.120 I think it's preposterous,
00:06:54.300 and I think when we look back on it in a certain time,
00:06:56.780 hopefully people will go,
00:06:57.620 how is that not sexist, racist, classist, et cetera.
00:07:02.500 Right, right.
00:07:03.020 Yeah.
00:07:03.680 Do you think that men should be able to have a,
00:07:09.140 since women have the right to choose, 1.00
00:07:11.140 in the UK it's abortions legal up to six months,
00:07:14.180 do you think that men should have a say 0.99
00:07:16.700 to have a financial abortion
00:07:18.420 where they don't have to pay child support?
00:07:21.200 Because women have the choice not to be a mother, 1.00
00:07:23.500 can he have the choice not to be a father?
00:07:27.820 In the name of equality.
00:07:29.700 No, I don't think so.
00:07:31.020 Okay.
00:07:31.720 I think you,
00:07:34.280 I mean, that's one to really contemplate.
00:07:37.780 I'm sure there's some scenarios where it,
00:07:41.520 but no, overall I think,
00:07:43.060 you know,
00:07:44.480 whatever kind of accident
00:07:46.200 or decision-making power you had,
00:07:48.580 you know, it's,
00:07:49.260 you've done it,
00:07:49.880 and now you're,
00:07:51.800 you have an obligation to that.
00:07:53.940 So you agree with women having the right to choose?
00:07:56.740 I do.
00:07:58.260 Don't you think that,
00:07:59.100 that favors women though, 1.00
00:08:01.020 and not men?
00:08:02.400 Because if,
00:08:03.260 if I wanted to,
00:08:04.120 then I could go get pregnant by a rich guy, 0.98
00:08:06.040 and then I have a,
00:08:06.880 I have a check for 18 years.
00:08:09.100 I think it takes some part of him
00:08:11.260 doing something as well.
00:08:12.900 No, I,
00:08:13.340 I agree.
00:08:14.380 Um,
00:08:14.840 but you have,
00:08:15.560 you have like cases where,
00:08:16.960 like there's an entire Reddit threads
00:08:18.560 where women are just trying to figure out 1.00
00:08:20.600 how to get pregnant by men. 1.00
00:08:22.900 And it's almost like the laws
00:08:24.280 allow women to be predatory. 0.99
00:08:26.060 Yeah.
00:08:26.940 Well,
00:08:27.520 I don't think we should infantilize men
00:08:30.680 or anybody.
00:08:32.280 You know,
00:08:32.560 we're,
00:08:32.760 we're adults
00:08:33.320 and we take decisions.
00:08:34.940 We get into bed with somebody
00:08:36.420 and that's,
00:08:38.040 I agree.
00:08:38.840 I just don't think a woman 1.00
00:08:39.760 should be entitled to a man's money. 0.98
00:08:42.160 Like,
00:08:42.600 I think we,
00:08:43.300 I can work.
00:08:44.300 Like,
00:08:44.460 why,
00:08:44.680 why do you,
00:08:45.340 why are you entitled to his money
00:08:46.340 for 18 years?
00:08:48.720 Shouldn't it be 50,
00:08:49.520 50 custody?
00:08:50.500 Like why,
00:08:51.000 which that should be like the,
00:08:52.060 from the,
00:08:52.440 off the bat
00:08:53.060 and no money.
00:08:55.220 Well,
00:08:55.740 I'm not,
00:08:56.740 it is still gendered,
00:08:57.840 but it's not entirely gendered.
00:08:58.960 I know cases where
00:08:59.900 the woman's the, 1.00
00:09:01.280 you know,
00:09:01.900 very wealthy chef
00:09:03.700 and she's paying money 1.00
00:09:04.860 to a,
00:09:05.620 you know,
00:09:05.920 some.
00:09:07.920 I mean,
00:09:08.460 I would agree,
00:09:09.320 I agree both ways.
00:09:10.400 Like,
00:09:10.540 I don't,
00:09:10.840 I don't think child support
00:09:11.820 should be,
00:09:12.220 I was just curious
00:09:13.000 what your opinion was though.
00:09:15.260 I think there should be
00:09:16.180 an obligation
00:09:16.720 and,
00:09:17.360 you know,
00:09:18.000 as a,
00:09:18.520 as a man who's part of this
00:09:19.980 or a woman,
00:09:20.640 you know,
00:09:20.840 you're,
00:09:21.040 you're in on something
00:09:22.040 that is going to last
00:09:23.080 for,
00:09:23.360 you know,
00:09:23.540 18,
00:09:23.900 20 years
00:09:24.380 and you don't need
00:09:25.320 to spend money.
00:09:26.180 Do you think people
00:09:26.720 should be more careful
00:09:28.120 with who they sleep with?
00:09:31.180 I'm no person
00:09:32.480 to comment on that.
00:09:33.880 I have no person
00:09:34.200 to comment on that.
00:09:35.940 Okay.
00:09:37.560 Where,
00:09:38.440 okay,
00:09:40.780 where is the justice
00:09:41.760 for the people
00:09:42.800 that said,
00:09:43.700 what do you think
00:09:44.360 of the phrase
00:09:44.860 believe all women?
00:09:51.920 Well,
00:09:52.460 I think it,
00:09:53.680 I think we have gone
00:09:55.040 very much
00:09:56.260 to the extreme
00:09:57.640 recently
00:09:58.860 where
00:10:01.340 somebody's life
00:10:02.580 can be completely
00:10:03.480 undone
00:10:04.060 through mere accusation
00:10:06.080 and I think
00:10:08.260 that power
00:10:08.940 does need to be
00:10:09.580 curbed in some way.
00:10:11.160 Hopefully we'll find
00:10:11.820 a balance
00:10:12.240 in the next,
00:10:12.880 whatever.
00:10:13.440 Yeah,
00:10:13.820 I hope so.
00:10:14.360 I hope so too.
00:10:15.680 Thank you so much
00:10:16.440 for sitting down.
00:10:17.020 You're really fun
00:10:17.540 to talk to.
00:10:18.960 Appreciate it.
00:10:19.820 I hope so too.
00:10:22.220 Thank you.
00:10:23.140 Thank you.
00:10:23.320 Take care.
00:10:23.640 You