JustPearlyThings - Feminist Ms. Kenzie Joins Pearl Daily For A Debate

00:00:00.240 So as you guys know, I love having conversations, not only with people that have similar points of view,

00:00:06.640 but I also love to invite people on the show that have different points of view.

00:00:11.540 So I saw Miss Kenzie debating Andrew Wilson, and I was actually really impressed.

00:00:17.260 I thought, Andrew, he can cause a lot of people to crash out.

00:00:23.180 So he can really, you know, I'll say debating Andrew Wilson is not for the week.

00:00:33.580 He was not for the week, and I was actually impressed how she stayed calm, composed, cool, and collected.

00:00:40.200 So today we're invited her on the show to have a discussion about feminism and some of the topics we might disagree on.

00:00:48.060 I do ask the chat, guys, if you can, as long as the guests are respectful to us, we are respectful back.

00:00:57.840 So if you guys super chat, personal attention, you can debate, you can super chat, a difference in opinion,

00:01:05.740 but I'm not reading any super chats that are just outright mean, okay?

00:01:10.520 You guys do that to me sometimes, and I'm just not a fan of it.

00:01:13.340 So, you know, that's my two cents from the chat, but thank you guys for tuning in.

00:01:19.520 Welcome to the show, Kenzie.

00:01:24.180 Thank you, Pearl.

00:01:25.060 I appreciate you having me.

00:01:26.480 So do you just Kenzie or Miss Kenzie?

00:01:29.700 What do you prefer?

00:01:30.860 Kenzie's fine.

00:01:31.540 Okay, great.

00:01:33.840 So first question before you, before we get into, like, some of the topics we wanted to go through today.

00:01:39.160 Um, how did you get into, how did you get into debating and how did you end up on whatever podcast?

00:01:47.760 Um, so in December of 2021, um, I was just kind of at home by myself.

00:01:53.940 I had recently been introduced to TikTok, uh, by a girlfriend of mine and I was just scrolling.

00:02:00.760 I normally skipped lives, uh, within my scroll, but I happened to just cross one.

00:02:05.840 And I think it was, um, Big John Steele was doing a religious debate and I joined that.

00:02:13.100 Um, and then that led to an abortion debate and then the abortion debate and kind of the abortion niche is where I really got my start in debating.

00:02:21.760 Cool.

00:02:22.180 So what's your, um, what's your, is this your full-time job?

00:02:26.360 Do you do something?

00:02:27.820 Because most people aren't able to, like, talk about these topics.

00:02:31.400 I said, I was just curious if you do something during the day or do you do this full-time?

00:02:35.880 Yes, I do have a day job.

00:02:37.280 Okay.

00:02:37.800 Do they know or what?

00:02:40.840 Uh, no.

00:02:41.540 Oh, they don't.

00:02:41.960 I mean, it's more of, it's a hobby at this point, but, um, no, I, I try and keep that separate.

00:02:47.600 Okay, cool.

00:02:48.780 Do you mind?

00:02:49.300 What do you do?

00:02:49.920 Do you, do you share or no, if you don't, it's okay?

00:02:52.300 I, I don't share.

00:02:53.120 Okay.

00:02:53.340 I'm sorry.

00:02:53.580 Okay.

00:02:53.960 No problem.

00:02:55.500 Okay.

00:02:55.940 So, uh, for this, uh, conversation we're going to have debate, I, I, I go by the rule, no

00:03:03.240 personal attacks, so we can attack the argument, but not each other.

00:03:06.860 Are you good with that?

00:03:08.220 Sure.

00:03:08.660 Okay.

00:03:09.920 Okay.

00:03:10.580 Um, so since you're the guest, I will let you pick, uh, the topics we said we were going

00:03:16.560 to discuss.

00:03:17.080 Which one?

00:03:17.760 Do you have one you want to start with?

00:03:20.040 Uh, no.

00:03:20.440 I was just going to take my cue from you.

00:03:21.800 Okay.

00:03:22.360 Cool.

00:03:22.720 So why don't we start with women being, you said abortion.

00:03:31.200 So why don't we start with abortion?

00:03:33.460 What, what is your take on abortion?

00:03:38.060 Um, in what capacity?

00:03:39.680 I, I guess just to kind of summarize, it would be, I don't think there should be any legal

00:03:43.040 restrictions on abortion.

00:03:44.040 Really?

00:03:44.420 So you think it should be legal up to birth?

00:03:48.400 Correct.

00:03:48.800 I would follow the Colorado model where there's no laws legislating.

00:03:53.080 Abortion.

00:03:53.900 Wow.

00:03:54.420 That is an extreme position.

00:03:57.260 I, I don't think so.

00:03:58.540 Wow.

00:03:58.960 So you don't see any problem with them aborting like a fully formed, like they have a heart,

00:04:05.200 like the day before they're born, you're okay with aborting it?

00:04:09.400 Yeah.

00:04:09.800 So I would just define abortion as the deliberate termination of pregnancy.

00:04:13.980 So if it's the day before, I don't know, a scheduled C-section or whatever, we would

00:04:18.640 just induce birth.

00:04:19.500 Okay.

00:04:20.140 So you would just have them give birth instead of aborting the kid and then would they kill

00:04:26.880 it after or what would they do with the kid?

00:04:29.000 Well, I don't think abortion is like intrinsically this idea that it's designed to unalive the

00:04:34.680 fetus.

00:04:35.060 It's designed to terminate pregnancy.

00:04:36.460 Okay.

00:04:39.680 But even when it's fully formed, you would say, but sorry, I'm just, I'm trying to go

00:04:46.220 through what you said with it being, you guys make kind of make up all these words and it kind

00:04:52.660 of confuses me.

00:04:54.160 So.

00:04:54.740 What word did I make up?

00:04:56.680 Well, cause I would just say it's a kid the day before it's born.

00:05:00.320 Right.

00:05:01.140 So like.

00:05:01.880 That doesn't answer what word I made up.

00:05:03.900 So I, well, it's kind of like when you say it's a fetus instead of a baby, like I would

00:05:10.260 call it a baby.

00:05:10.840 You guys would say fetus.

00:05:11.940 I understand it's a difference in semantics.

00:05:16.460 Again, that doesn't say what word I made up, but fetus is just a gestational time period

00:05:23.000 reference.

00:05:23.580 So a fetal is a fetus is eight weeks gestation to birth.

00:05:27.160 So my opinion on abortion is I do give up.

00:05:31.060 I think women have, I think it's disgusting.

00:05:33.800 I think it's wrong, but I do think women have fought really hard for abortion and I give

00:05:39.900 up if they want to kill their kids.

00:05:42.440 I personally would say that we should make a deal with the pro-life people or the pro-choice

00:05:47.780 people.

00:05:48.620 And I think we should meet you guys at like three to six months.

00:05:52.360 Would you be open to, if we could stop arguing about it, a deal at three to six months?

00:05:59.100 No.

00:06:00.060 Or you would say nothing until full birth?

00:06:03.940 So I think it's really interesting when pro-lifers, is that how you would classify yourself?

00:06:11.020 No, I've given up.

00:06:12.540 I've given up.

00:06:13.280 You guys can kill your kids.

00:06:14.240 So if you want to, if you want to say, should there be negotiation or middle ground with

00:06:18.600 pro-lifers?

00:06:21.000 No pro-lifer can really give me the landscape of what termination and pregnancy looks like

00:06:25.900 within the third term.

00:06:28.780 Like at what rate is this happening?

00:06:30.880 Canada doesn't have any restrictions on abortion and they have a lower abortion rate than the

00:06:35.020 United States.

00:06:35.820 Yeah.

00:06:35.980 I would say one is too many.

00:06:37.900 Like it's pretty disgusting for me.

00:06:40.840 What does that mean?

00:06:41.500 I would say one abortion at nine months is too many.

00:06:45.460 Like that is disgusting.

00:06:47.700 What does that mean?

00:06:49.860 That one abortion at nine months.

00:06:52.160 What do you mean when you say like disgusting?

00:06:54.440 Like what?

00:06:55.020 I feel like you're just kind of doing an emotional appeal.

00:06:57.900 No, I would say it's, it grosses me out personally because you're ripping the limbs off one by

00:07:06.500 one, crushing the head and vacuuming the kid out.

00:07:09.640 That's pretty gross.

00:07:10.720 Have you seen it?

00:07:11.940 I mean, that's actually not true.

00:07:14.080 I would say that's pro-life propaganda.

00:07:16.380 There is, there is what we call a DNA that does create disarticulation.

00:07:23.720 But often when we look at abortion within, when we look at termination later in pregnancy,

00:07:30.340 it's often just induced labor and people give birth to stillborns.

00:07:33.860 Yeah, well, I would say that's still disgusting.

00:07:38.940 Okay.

00:07:39.460 But, but I give up.

00:07:41.680 You guys can kill your kids.

00:07:44.240 Okay.

00:07:44.920 Yeah.

00:07:45.660 I mean, again, this, this really, to me, just doesn't move the conversation any further.

00:07:49.160 I think you're just using emotionally charged language without any kind of critique.

00:07:53.260 Well, you could say that, but this is a conversation.

00:07:56.940 Well, I say that because it's true.

00:07:58.280 Well, this is, this is a conversation.

00:08:00.520 So I'm giving you my opinion.

00:08:04.440 I don't.

00:08:05.220 Right.

00:08:05.720 But if we're, if, okay.

00:08:06.960 If that's where you want it to stop.

00:08:09.240 So again, if you, do you want to reduce abortion?

00:08:12.740 Would that be a common goal?

00:08:14.020 I've given up.

00:08:15.360 I've given up.

00:08:16.220 I think women want to kill.

00:08:17.160 If you've given up, why are we talking about this?

00:08:18.320 I think, I think, I think women want to kill their kids so bad that they just, they will

00:08:24.020 do anything to kill their kids.

00:08:25.920 Even abort a kid, even abort a kid at nine months.

00:08:28.680 I don't think the focus, I don't think the focus is like a desire to kill children.

00:08:33.580 I think the focus is not to be forced to sustain pregnancy and to have control over family

00:08:38.840 planning.

00:08:39.420 Yeah.

00:08:40.700 I would say, I would agree with you that they don't want to be pregnant.

00:08:45.160 But I just think that you're kind of retarded if you get pregnant when you have IUDs, birth

00:08:52.600 control, natural family plan.

00:08:55.940 Like, I mean, you know, your, your phone, it literally tracks when you're ovulating and

00:09:01.720 you have like, it's like the women.

00:09:03.580 The women, the women are too dumb.

00:09:05.960 The rhythm, the rhythm method is the most ineffective way to, uh, what, what we would

00:09:12.140 say is birth control.

00:09:13.200 That's 60 to 70% effective.

00:09:15.420 IUD.

00:09:15.860 If you want to talk about IUDs, that's great.

00:09:19.060 So Colorado instituted, Colorado instituted the LARC program.

00:09:23.780 Plan B.

00:09:24.640 Plan B also.

00:09:26.880 They can put a pill in your, it just, at this point, I just, it's like men invent everything

00:09:32.280 for us to not have kids and we still can't do it.

00:09:35.540 You can't get an abortion in the first three months.

00:09:37.240 Well, no, obviously there's capitalist barriers that are in the way.

00:09:39.780 If we look at Colorado, Colorado instituted the LARC program, which stands for long acting

00:09:44.840 reversible contraceptives, where they made IUDs free to people 16 to 20.

00:09:50.260 And it's significantly reduced abortion rates.

00:09:53.520 And the program actually paid for itself because people who would have been forced to sustain

00:09:57.800 pregnancy, um, no longer needed, uh, additional state services in order to care for those children.

00:10:05.360 So yes, if we want to reduce abortion, I'm for public funding of long acting reversible

00:10:11.020 contraceptives and all contraceptives.

00:10:12.960 But that's like, but then see, you go back to it.

00:10:15.880 This is why I think feminists want women, uh, really women are a protected class in society.

00:10:21.340 Now you want free, free birth control.

00:10:24.340 Really?

00:10:24.980 Yeah.

00:10:25.300 You can't pay for like, you can't pay for your own, your own, like why, why does the

00:10:30.540 state have to pay for your decision?

00:10:33.780 Um, well, number one, it stays, it saves the state money in terms of welfare programs that

00:10:42.660 are needed in order to take care of children who are subjected to poverty.

00:10:46.520 And, and obviously a state is necessary within a system of capitalism.

00:10:50.960 Okay.

00:10:51.520 Well, we're not talking about capitalism.

00:10:53.220 We're talking about abortion.

00:10:54.860 We are talking about capitalism because you just said, why does the state have to pay for

00:10:59.880 people?

00:11:00.160 It's because people don't have enough money to pay for birth control.

00:11:03.960 I'm saying on an individual level, I don't understand why people are subjected to poverty.

00:11:11.460 So therefore they can't afford birth control because of capitalism.

00:11:16.320 Yeah.

00:11:16.560 So you want someone else to pay for it.

00:11:20.500 If it gives them access to healthcare.

00:11:23.280 Yes.

00:11:23.620 That's an effective system.

00:11:24.900 I mean, that's how private insurance works.

00:11:26.800 What are you talking about?

00:11:28.440 Okay.

00:11:28.720 And now we're talking about insurance.

00:11:31.460 Well, yeah.

00:11:32.760 Don't, don't you like, do you support private insurance?

00:11:37.180 I don't have an opinion on it.

00:11:40.360 Well, I think you need to fundamentally, because this is also talking about like private insurance

00:11:45.600 is just a, a pooling of, um, premiums in order to pay other people's deductibles and costs.

00:11:52.420 Okay.

00:11:53.420 Like it, you would have a fundamental opposing against that if you're for people paying for

00:11:57.920 other people's healthcare.

00:11:58.880 I think that if you want to have casual sex, that's totally fine.

00:12:03.520 You're welcome to do that.

00:12:04.560 But I do think you should be responsible enough to pay for your own birth control.

00:12:09.480 Most abortions are, most abortions are from long-term committed relationships.

00:12:14.080 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:12:15.700 Then why did you say casual sex?

00:12:19.240 Um, I probably misspoke either or.

00:12:22.940 I don't think that was a misspeak.

00:12:24.680 I think that was misogyny.

00:12:26.360 Okay.

00:12:26.660 Because you're saying women who get pregnant and need abortions are sluts, right?

00:12:30.260 Let's be honest.

00:12:32.080 Um, no, I, I say they're irresponsible with the amount of birth control that there is today.

00:12:38.480 Right, but why highlight that people who get abortions are engaging in casual sex?

00:12:43.480 Uh, well, I would say a good percentage are, partially.

00:12:48.000 Uh, no, uh, 60%, closer to 70% are due to long-term committed relationships.

00:12:53.080 Well, then what's the other, what's the other 30%?

00:12:56.660 Um, well, I mean.

00:12:59.120 Bitch, come on.

00:12:59.920 Stop it.

00:13:01.320 What do you mean?

00:13:02.800 I mean, come on.

00:13:04.480 Sorry, I didn't.

00:13:05.000 Girl, what makes more sense?

00:13:06.640 What do you think causes pregnancy?

00:13:08.280 Is it the number of partners or the volume of sex that you're having?

00:13:11.960 I would say it's being irresponsible.

00:13:16.620 We're, again, we're not talking about responsibility because you said it's from casual sex.

00:13:24.280 Again, if I'm having casual sex.

00:13:25.920 I said.

00:13:26.660 Once a month, I'm less likely to get pregnant than if I'm married and having sex with my

00:13:31.680 husband every night.

00:13:32.380 I don't care how it happened.

00:13:34.540 Um, either way, I would say you're being irresponsible.

00:13:39.360 Define irresponsible.

00:13:41.380 Uh, making a choice you can't pay for and you expect other people to pay for.

00:13:46.040 Why is that irresponsible?

00:13:47.340 Because that's part of being an adult is paying for your own decisions.

00:13:54.980 Paying to have sex.

00:13:58.460 Yes.

00:13:58.860 I mean, there's a, there's a, is this like a class thing then?

00:14:03.860 Like if you can't afford birth control, you just shouldn't be having sex.

00:14:07.480 So if you're in poverty and can't afford birth control, don't have sex.

00:14:10.600 Is, is like kids now something that only like rich and middle-class people should have?

00:14:17.140 Um, I do think that if that's a choice you're going to make, uh, you should be able to pay

00:14:21.700 for it.

00:14:22.760 Well, then I would feel like you would be pro-abortion if someone can pay for their abortion.

00:14:27.540 Are you saying-

00:14:28.280 Isn't that the responsible thing to do rather than depending on the state?

00:14:31.100 Are you saying poor people are too dumb to take birth control?

00:14:35.640 No, I'm saying that they don't have the means to purchase that.

00:14:38.120 I mean, condoms are free at a lot of places.

00:14:41.660 Sure.

00:14:42.480 And they're-

00:14:42.800 But you also need transportation.

00:14:44.340 You need time in the event you might not have one.

00:14:46.940 I mean, 54% of abortions are due to failed-

00:14:49.260 Why do you think so?

00:14:50.240 54%-

00:14:51.320 Why do you think so little of poor people where they can't figure it out?

00:14:54.740 Of abortions are due to failed contraceptives.

00:14:57.780 I don't think little of poor people.

00:14:59.500 I think poor people should have resources.

00:15:02.220 Like free condoms?

00:15:03.260 You don't.

00:15:03.880 I would say that you actually think poorly of poor people.

00:15:07.180 Like free condoms?

00:15:09.040 I think, I think that they-

00:15:11.440 So you're for free condoms, but not for free, the free pills or free IUDs.

00:15:16.540 Well, it's not-

00:15:17.220 Make it make sense.

00:15:17.800 Well, it's not what I think should be.

00:15:19.320 It's what is.

00:15:21.380 Well, I think we should talk about oughts, right?

00:15:24.240 No?

00:15:24.840 About odds?

00:15:26.720 Oughts.

00:15:27.320 What ought to be?

00:15:28.080 No, I don't believe in ought.

00:15:31.220 I think we should talk about what is.

00:15:35.320 Why?

00:15:36.580 Because this is the real world.

00:15:39.500 Right, but we're-

00:15:41.080 This is kind of the problem you get with women, is women do think in oughts, right?

00:15:46.920 That's why I said I give up on abortion, because this isn't Pearl's world where I wave my finger

00:15:51.800 and get what I want.

00:15:53.120 I live in the real world.

00:15:54.180 I live in the real world where women can and do have abortion.

00:16:04.060 But when you talk to women, they think debating is really doing something.

00:16:09.400 You know, so I try to talk about what is, not what I wish would be.

00:16:14.340 This is all, like, this is the- this does nothing for the conversation.

00:16:17.380 I think when we're talking, like, do you think-

00:16:20.560 No, I'm sorry.

00:16:22.580 Do you support oppression?

00:16:23.940 No.

00:16:28.360 So you think we should live in a world where there is not oppression?

00:16:34.680 It depends what you mean by oppression, but that sounds-

00:16:37.740 You just said you didn't support it, so it sounds like you knew what I meant, and now that I'm asking you if that's an ought claim, now you want me to define it.

00:16:44.920 Well, why don't you define it?

00:16:50.500 Pearl, I just asked you, do you support oppression, and you said no.

00:16:53.780 Yeah, because that's kind of a stupid question.

00:16:56.600 Well, if you don't support it, then to me, that says you have a concept and an understanding of what oppression is.

00:17:03.620 I even asked you what your definition of oppression was, and you said the dictionary definition.

00:17:07.280 So even if we go by that, you don't support oppression, so do you think we ought to live in a world where people are not oppressed?

00:17:16.440 I don't live in oughts, I live in is, which probably kind of is a good pivot to our next topic.

00:17:22.860 That's a dodge.

00:17:23.980 To our next topic.

00:17:25.460 So, all right, let's talk about female oppression.

00:17:29.460 You, I'm assuming, think that women are oppressed.

00:17:33.100 Yeah.

00:17:33.380 Okay, so in what ways do you think women are oppressed?

00:17:38.520 I think women are oppressed by capitalism, women are oppressed by sexual violence, women are oppressed by race, by ableism.

00:17:50.120 I mean, really, if we talk about any kind of capitalist system, I think there is some form of oppression built into where women are disadvantaged.

00:17:58.080 Okay, so in what ways, day-to-day, are women oppressed by a capitalist system?

00:18:04.340 Women are more likely to be in poverty.

00:18:07.340 Okay, keep going.

00:18:08.220 Women are more like, sorry?

00:18:09.840 Oh, I'm listening, keep going.

00:18:13.420 Women are, have barriers when it comes to certain employment and the earning of profit.

00:18:19.460 They have additional obligations that put them into labor that is non-paid.

00:18:25.760 Okay, so barriers, sorry, say that one more time, barriers when it comes to-

00:18:29.820 Barriers to wage labor and social obligations to unpaid labor.

00:18:34.420 Social obligations to, anything else?

00:18:38.740 I'm sure there is, but those are off the top of my head.

00:18:41.080 Okay.

00:18:41.420 Why do you think women are more likely to be in poverty?

00:18:47.240 Because they have barriers to wage labor.

00:18:50.080 Okay.

00:18:50.400 And because they have social obligations to unpaid labor.

00:18:53.420 Okay, what are the barriers?

00:18:55.760 To paid labor?

00:18:58.260 Sure.

00:19:01.360 Well, like, obviously the wage gap.

00:19:04.000 Okay, wage gap, keep going.

00:19:06.060 What else?

00:19:06.580 Um, the social obligations or expectation when it comes to, uh, family care.

00:19:15.100 When it comes, okay, what else?

00:19:17.880 Anything else?

00:19:18.260 Uh, those are off the top of my head.

00:19:19.660 I think those would be the two main questions.

00:19:20.580 Okay, so, uh, you, you're saying that women are more likely to be in poverty because of the

00:19:26.880 wage gap and social expectations when it comes to family care.

00:19:30.800 Yeah.

00:19:31.500 Okay, so, I would disagree with you because the majority of,

00:19:35.600 uh, you know, I, I think it's actually ridiculous that women are anywhere close to paid the same

00:19:43.260 as men when men produce 80% of the world's stuff.

00:19:47.580 Why, why is that the barometer?

00:19:50.260 Uh, because you need people to keep society running.

00:19:54.960 Right, but you're talking about just people producing products rather than people offering

00:19:58.980 service.

00:20:00.340 Women offer high, like, women are often in service positions.

00:20:03.900 Yeah, and I don't think they're as valuable as the positions that men do.

00:20:07.980 Like, we wouldn't even have houses if we didn't have male carpenters.

00:20:11.060 You can't have service positions without-

00:20:12.020 Yeah, you don't think healthcare is valuable?

00:20:14.320 Um, I think healthcare is valuable, but women-

00:20:17.940 That's service, isn't it?

00:20:20.000 Yeah, but I don't think it's as important.

00:20:22.620 You can't have healthcare without the houses that women are in.

00:20:25.640 Um, I mean, you can't have people if they're dying from disease.

00:20:31.800 Uh, I guess you could say that.

00:20:34.080 The other, the other thing is 63% of scholarships are given to women.

00:20:38.680 Um, so, so women are, women are really, I would say given a head up in life because they're

00:20:46.320 given the majority of scholarships.

00:20:47.820 Um, women are given preferential treatment.

00:20:50.200 The majority of college graduates and college enrollments are women, so it would make sense

00:20:54.520 that they get scholarships at a higher rate.

00:20:56.180 Yeah, because education favors women.

00:20:59.920 No, women typically need education in order to have access to higher labor or higher wage.

00:21:05.480 Not really, because we own all of the-

00:21:07.780 Yes, really.

00:21:08.000 We own all of the student debt.

00:21:09.560 We don't own all of the student debt.

00:21:12.440 Are you kidding me?

00:21:13.040 We own the majority of it, and we don't own the-

00:21:15.320 Correct.

00:21:15.620 And the difference is-

00:21:16.400 Yeah, of course.

00:21:17.700 Like, that makes sense because we're going to college more.

00:21:20.320 And the difference, I know, but the difference is we don't go into STEM and we don't pay it

00:21:23.700 back.

00:21:25.320 Men are two times as likely to pay back their student loan debt than women.

00:21:30.320 Okay.

00:21:32.400 That's preferential treatment.

00:21:33.780 I mean, I don't-

00:21:34.780 That's women getting-

00:21:35.580 That's women getting all the benefits without the responsibility.

00:21:39.180 I don't think so at all because you would need to look at the causes why women are struggling

00:21:44.400 to pay back student debt.

00:21:45.840 Could that be due to family planning, that they have kids and they're unable to work?

00:21:49.640 Women aren't having-

00:21:50.220 They take a lower wage.

00:21:51.200 Women aren't having kids.

00:21:53.060 They are having kids.

00:21:53.840 Women are not having kids.

00:21:55.280 The birth rates declined massively in the last 20 years.

00:21:58.240 Just because it's declined doesn't mean that we're not having children.

00:22:00.420 And we're not having a lot of kids, and you have the choice to not-

00:22:03.820 And this is what I mean when I say-

00:22:04.780 Why are we not not having a lot of kids, girl?

00:22:06.140 This is what I mean when I say feminists.

00:22:09.180 You want everybody to pay for your poor choices.

00:22:12.340 So if you want to get an abortion-

00:22:13.400 No, I'm anti-capitalist.

00:22:14.300 If you want to get an abortion, you want other people to pay for it.

00:22:19.920 No, I don't think we should live in a capitalist system.

00:22:22.780 So if you want to go into a job market that pays less, you want to blame the patriarchy

00:22:29.780 instead of going into STEM.

00:22:31.760 If you're not smart enough to do STEM-

00:22:33.440 Women do go into STEM.

00:22:35.120 It depends what STEM industry we're talking about.

00:22:37.720 I mean, the majority quit after five to ten years.

00:22:40.460 They can't stick around and do it.

00:22:42.720 They choose to quit.

00:22:44.340 You don't have to-

00:22:44.780 And what's the source on that?

00:22:45.680 You don't have to have-

00:22:46.900 You don't have to-

00:22:47.600 I mean, you can Google it, Kenzie.

00:22:49.540 It's-

00:22:49.860 Well, I don't want to Google what your claims are, girl.

00:22:52.680 I want you to tell me what you're reading.

00:22:54.460 But women on average do not-

00:22:55.800 Because I have a feeling it's AI over you.

00:22:57.740 Women on average don't stay in STEM.

00:23:00.100 They don't.

00:23:00.800 Well, give me the source, girl.

00:23:02.260 I mean, come on.

00:23:02.820 You read, right?

00:23:04.260 You can Google it.

00:23:05.380 It's at the top of Google.

00:23:06.320 Kenzie, if we're going to-

00:23:07.120 I'm not looking to do your homework.

00:23:10.440 I'm looking to read what you have read, Pearl.

00:23:13.300 Okay.

00:23:16.100 So-

00:23:17.780 Wait, how do I go?

00:23:20.560 22% of STEM students are women.

00:23:30.640 Look.

00:23:33.980 And this is what I mean.

00:23:35.620 It's like she comes on my show and she wants to over-talk me.

00:23:39.560 I think feminists have no idea how insufferable they tend to be.

00:23:43.960 Are you done?

00:23:45.140 Are you going to be polite?

00:23:47.300 If you're going to have an attitude, I'll kick you.

00:23:49.280 It's all right.

00:23:50.560 So, I would say my bottom line, and I'll go into this, is that if women want to make

00:24:04.640 choices, they have to pay for them.

00:24:08.120 So, whether that's going into STEM or not going into STEM, you are responsible for your choice.

00:24:14.000 I don't like to blame these external factors for my choices.

00:24:18.500 Well, of course not, because you think everything exists in a vacuum.

00:24:21.780 I don't know what that means, but okay.

00:24:23.940 Okay.

00:24:26.560 So, it means that you think that something exists independently of certain systems or environments,

00:24:32.940 when that's just not true.

00:24:33.980 So, I think that you're responsible for the choices that you make.

00:24:39.300 Would you agree or disagree?

00:24:41.560 What do you mean by responsible?

00:24:43.220 Okay.

00:24:44.320 Are we going to do this all day?

00:24:45.860 Are you going to say, what do you mean by that?

00:24:47.480 Or can you answer simple?

00:24:48.060 Yeah, because you say things, Pearl, and I don't know what kind of concept you're conveying to me.

00:24:52.840 So, that's why I'm asking you to clarify your concept.

00:24:55.440 Are you an adult?

00:24:57.060 I just want to have an adult conversation here.

00:25:00.240 I don't think you do.

00:25:01.700 Well.

00:25:08.200 You going to answer the question or no?

00:25:10.500 What question?

00:25:12.880 Do you think women should be responsible for the choices they make?

00:25:17.160 What does that mean?

00:25:17.980 I just can't believe I'm talking to an adult right now.

00:25:23.320 You don't know what that means?

00:25:24.840 Like, again, that doesn't do anything for me.

00:25:27.560 I don't know why you set this standard of, let's be polite, let's be respectful.

00:25:31.560 I ask you to clarify your position, and you're like, oh, I just can't stand you.

00:25:35.620 Like, give me a break.

00:25:36.880 Okay.

00:25:38.860 So, what I mean is, if you make a choice, are you responsible for that choice?

00:25:44.400 I'm asking you what that means.

00:25:46.080 So, let's say that someone smokes cigarettes.

00:25:48.840 If you make a choice.

00:25:49.660 Let's say that someone smokes cigarettes.

00:25:51.600 Okay.

00:25:51.980 I'm going to answer now.

00:25:54.420 If you make the choice to get an abortion, are you responsible for it?

00:25:58.500 Yes or no?

00:26:00.820 I don't know what you're asking me.

00:26:02.780 Okay.

00:26:03.640 If you make the choice to go into STEM, are you responsible for it?

00:26:07.820 Yes or no?

00:26:08.480 I don't know what you're asking me.

00:26:10.600 You can change X value in all your sentences, and it's going to be the same.

00:26:14.800 Okay.

00:26:15.020 So, if you make the choice, if you make the choice to get a bunch of debt, are you as

00:26:23.120 an adult responsible for that choice?

00:26:26.860 I'll go ahead.

00:26:27.700 Like, in terms of paying it off?

00:26:29.340 Yeah.

00:26:29.580 Are you responsible?

00:26:31.140 Or is it your fault that you signed up for the debt?

00:26:35.040 Is it your fault that you signed up for the debt?

00:26:37.700 Yes.

00:26:38.320 Is it your fault?

00:26:39.340 I don't know what you mean by your fault.

00:26:40.940 Obviously, it was your choice to take out loans or credit cards.

00:26:45.760 Okay.

00:26:46.020 And so, you should be responsible for it.

00:26:50.920 Obviously, you agreed to the obligation of paying it back.

00:26:54.920 Sure.

00:26:56.380 Okay.

00:26:57.080 So, if you make the choice to get an abortion, are you responsible for it?

00:27:01.920 What does that mean?

00:27:03.300 If you make the choice to get married, are you responsible for the choice?

00:27:10.280 Are you responsible for your...

00:27:11.780 Carl, you just keep asking...

00:27:12.760 All right.

00:27:13.600 Crash out.

00:27:15.080 It's just crazy.

00:27:21.240 Okay.

00:27:21.840 I'm going to go...

00:27:23.400 I just never understood liberal...

00:27:26.600 This is not a crash out.

00:27:27.700 This is just your inability to comprehend.

00:27:29.300 All right.

00:27:29.400 So, we're going to...

00:27:31.100 Don't be rude.

00:27:32.360 So, response...

00:27:33.580 Definition.

00:27:36.220 Having an obligation to do something or having control over or care for someone as part of

00:27:43.640 one's job or role.

00:27:46.640 So, you're asking me, if you get an abortion, do you have a duty?

00:27:51.600 Are you...

00:27:51.980 Are you the...

00:27:52.580 Are...

00:27:53.140 Oh, no.

00:27:53.600 Oh, no.

00:27:54.220 Sorry.

00:27:54.520 I clicked something.

00:27:55.640 Are you the primary cause of it?

00:27:58.780 Like, if we say, whose fault was this?

00:28:00.960 Would you point to yourself as long as it wasn't great?

00:28:05.860 No.

00:28:06.720 I think it's men's fault.

00:28:08.040 It's men's fault for getting you pregnant?

00:28:10.980 Yeah.

00:28:11.620 Okay.

00:28:12.680 So, why do you think that is?

00:28:15.060 Did the men make the choice for you to bang to have sex or did you make the choice?

00:28:20.660 You made the choice to have intercourse.

00:28:22.740 Okay.

00:28:23.060 Did you make the choice to take an abortion pill?

00:28:28.780 Yes.

00:28:30.460 Okay.

00:28:31.220 So, how is it the men's fault if you had an abortion?

00:28:35.840 Well, because they're the cause of pregnancy.

00:28:38.200 How...

00:28:39.160 Like, can you get pregnant without sperm?

00:28:43.480 No.

00:28:45.120 So, who puts the sperm in the uterus?

00:28:47.940 So, I would say that during conception, it's 50-50 as long as both parties consent.

00:28:54.360 Well, no.

00:28:55.460 Like, I can consent to sex, but not consent to him putting his sperm in my uterus.

00:29:00.600 If we're going to talk about obligations or duty to act, I would say it's men's duty...

00:29:04.660 Did you choose the condom?

00:29:06.000 ...to maintain control of their biological material.

00:29:08.760 Did you choose the condom, yes or no?

00:29:10.940 Did you consent?

00:29:12.280 Who got the choice to wear a condom or not wear a condom?

00:29:16.020 You or him?

00:29:17.140 I mean, obviously, both parties.

00:29:19.180 But even if I choose not to wear a condom...

00:29:21.300 Not to wear a condom...

00:29:22.740 Okay.

00:29:23.060 ...like, obviously, he still has the choice to, like, you know, choose in a sock, right?

00:29:27.080 Who made the choice to get an IUD or not get an IUD?

00:29:30.740 You or him?

00:29:32.380 Well, I mean, again, is choice just dependent on desire, or is it also dependent...

00:29:38.440 I need a whose choice, him or you?

00:29:43.060 I don't want to make this more complicated than it has to be.

00:29:46.080 Well, of course you don't, because you don't want to...

00:29:47.960 No, there's the nagging again.

00:29:51.380 You or him?

00:29:53.900 You're just bad faith.

00:29:54.900 You or him.

00:29:55.700 I did not come into this in bad faith, actually.

00:29:59.760 You absolutely are in bad faith.

00:30:01.500 There's the nagging.

00:30:05.380 Okay, so whose choice was it to do the abortion...

00:30:11.880 Or, sorry, whose choice was it to get an IUD?

00:30:15.760 Who got the choice to go to the doctor and say, stick this up, me, or don't?

00:30:21.480 Whose choice?

00:30:29.760 She can't do it, huh?

00:30:35.320 I can't do what?

00:30:36.680 You can't say it.

00:30:37.680 You can't say anything's the women's fault.

00:30:39.980 Well, I think, again, you want to, like, consider this within a vacuum.

00:30:44.300 I think a lot of women want to prevent pregnancy.

00:30:47.220 So, if they have the means to get the IUD, yes, it's their choice.

00:30:52.520 Okay.

00:30:52.780 If they don't, then obviously there's a barrier in their way.

00:30:55.820 Woo-hoo!

00:30:56.560 You did it.

00:30:57.740 Okay, so next.

00:30:58.920 Yeah, because you actually...

00:31:00.420 Next.

00:31:00.440 Nope, nope, nope.

00:31:03.400 All right, so next.

00:31:05.040 Girl, are you able to engage with that?

00:31:09.400 All right, so next.

00:31:10.780 Next, we're going to keep going.

00:31:11.860 So, whose choice is it to take the birth control pill?

00:31:17.520 The man's choice or the woman's choice?

00:31:20.220 It's the same answer as the IUD.

00:31:21.720 I don't know why you think it would be just right.

00:31:23.040 Okay, let's keep going.

00:31:24.840 Let's keep going.

00:31:25.760 So, whose choice is it to consent to sex with a condom or without a condom?

00:31:30.620 That would be both parties.

00:31:32.520 Okay.

00:31:33.880 Who do you think statistically wants to not wear a condom?

00:31:36.600 We're going to keep going.

00:31:38.740 We're going to keep going.

00:31:39.440 Who do you think doesn't want to wear a condom?

00:31:41.420 I would say both.

00:31:42.640 I think both parties love raw sex.

00:31:45.200 I think more than likely men don't want to wear condoms.

00:31:48.100 Okay, so we're going to keep going.

00:31:50.880 So, now we're going to go to the plan B.

00:31:54.460 Let's go to plan B.

00:31:55.660 Whose choice is it to take the plan B or not take the plan B?

00:32:01.460 Same answer as the IUD.

00:32:02.980 Okay, so whose choice is it to have an abortion or not have an abortion?

00:32:09.020 Well, obviously women's.

00:32:10.460 Okay, so now that we're going through and the women had all these choices and the men, I mean, they had the condom and the pullout maybe.

00:32:20.460 But I would say those are equally irresponsible men, the women, and the having the sex.

00:32:28.640 Why do you think men are more responsible when women have way more choice in this?

00:32:33.020 Because, again, the singular action that it takes to conceive is that sperm needs to be in the uterus.

00:32:42.540 And that is 100% within the control of men.

00:32:47.120 So, because they get to choose whether to jizz in you or not, really?

00:32:52.260 Yeah, like, exactly.

00:32:56.220 Because the sperm just doesn't appear, right?

00:32:59.260 Okay, but you have the choice to put a barrier to that.

00:33:02.960 And it's still their fault.

00:33:03.980 Right, so do they.

00:33:05.100 So, that's equal choice.

00:33:06.260 It's not equal choice.

00:33:07.480 We went through it.

00:33:08.600 We went through it step by step.

00:33:09.480 It is equal choice.

00:33:10.640 The barrier is equal because the only barrier is a condom.

00:33:13.640 Well, you could say it's equal.

00:33:15.520 I mean, men have.

00:33:16.280 You could say it's equal, but that doesn't mean it's true.

00:33:20.000 Okay.

00:33:20.700 What?

00:33:21.420 Well, all right.

00:33:22.560 So, we're going to go into women being more likely to be in poverty.

00:33:25.760 I'm going to give my take and then we can go back to yours.

00:33:28.660 I think that women are more likely to be in poverty because they spend too much money.

00:33:34.800 I think women have a tendency to spend more than we earn.

00:33:38.620 Part of this, you could see, is by our going to school and picking majors that do not benefit us.

00:33:47.460 We also make 80% of consumer buying decisions.

00:33:51.120 We own 80% of the world's debt.

00:33:53.920 What does the 80% of consumer buyer decisions have to do with anything?

00:33:57.620 Well, buying is spending money, is it not, Kenzie?

00:34:01.320 It's spending money, but it doesn't mean that you're accruing debt.

00:34:04.040 Okay.

00:34:04.640 Well, I would say if we look at student debt, women own them.

00:34:08.680 Men have more credit card debt.

00:34:10.160 Men have more mortgage debt.

00:34:11.680 Yeah, but women own women.

00:34:13.120 The only debt that women outpace men in is student loans.

00:34:14.980 Right, but the difference is men pay back their debt and women don't.

00:34:19.320 They still have more debt.

00:34:21.020 Right.

00:34:21.420 And again, what's that source?

00:34:22.720 But debt is not a problem if you can pay it back.

00:34:25.540 What is the source?

00:34:26.660 I can get you the source in the comments after, but it's really going to slow down the,

00:34:31.520 well, it's not your show.

00:34:32.840 It's too bad.

00:34:34.300 Here's my issue, Kenzie, and I'll let you go.

00:34:37.340 If we go through this and I have to bring up every source, it's just we're not going

00:34:41.340 to be able to have a conversation.

00:34:43.980 I can, well, well, well, you can, I'm going to keep muting you.

00:34:47.640 I'm going to keep muting.

00:34:48.540 I know you have to keep muting.

00:34:49.980 Well, yeah.

00:34:51.360 If you just, well, she's going to keep going.

00:34:55.560 She's going to keep going.

00:34:56.380 We can do it.

00:34:57.060 We can do it after.

00:34:58.200 It's totally fine.

00:34:59.200 But it's just going to be a back and forth.

00:35:03.120 And I'm going into good, into this in good faith.

00:35:06.340 I'm not assuming you're lying at every point.

00:35:10.260 Well, I am assuming.

00:35:10.860 Okay, well, well, well, well, that's fine.

00:35:15.720 But if you want to stay on the show, if I go on to your show, it's totally fine.

00:35:21.260 If you want to stay on, we can do it after.

00:35:24.220 But we're not going to do this back and forth every single time.

00:35:26.880 So you can either abide or you can not.

00:35:29.020 If you want to opt out.

00:35:29.900 Well, I'm just going to say not ah.

00:35:31.600 Oh, sorry.

00:35:34.560 Well, she's interrupting again.

00:35:36.860 You done?

00:35:37.740 All right.

00:35:38.300 So I can just say not ah, right?

00:35:39.820 I can just say the exact opposite.

00:35:41.360 Nope.

00:35:42.040 Okay, well, here's pleasant.

00:35:46.040 Feminists are always so pleasant to work with.

00:35:49.160 So really, I would say my main point is that women are not responsible.

00:35:56.200 And I would say it's because they spend more money than they have

00:36:00.380 and they want everybody else to pay for it.

00:36:05.520 And I would say that women, if women wanted to be responsible

00:36:09.480 and pay for their choices, we should go into STEM.

00:36:12.540 But no matter what, even if I have a point A, point B, point C

00:36:16.200 of why we are responsible for our choices, we just, I don't know what it is.

00:36:22.920 We just can't admit it.

00:36:24.540 Go ahead, Kenzie.

00:36:27.580 I'm ready.

00:36:29.520 Do you think a majority of teachers are women?

00:36:34.920 Yeah, the majority of teachers are women.

00:36:38.340 Okay.

00:36:38.760 Do you think that teachers are one of the low-paying industries?

00:36:46.560 Not really, no.

00:36:47.740 I think women have a tendency to complain about pay

00:36:53.940 when usually they're overpaid instead of underpaid.

00:36:57.020 So I'll give you an example.

00:36:58.200 So in order for us to have crab,

00:37:01.060 there's a guy that dies on a fishing boat in Alaska every single week.

00:37:05.960 And you never hear them complain about their work conditions.

00:37:11.420 But the people you hear complain about their work conditions

00:37:14.340 are the women that get three months off in the summer.

00:37:19.300 So no, when you get three months off in the summer,

00:37:22.400 I don't think you're underpaid.

00:37:25.440 I don't.

00:37:25.960 What is the average teacher salary?

00:37:28.700 Off the top of my, I know it varies state by state.

00:37:31.620 Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you.

00:37:35.980 It depends on the state you're in.

00:37:37.280 But we can look it up if you really want to.

00:37:39.280 I'm sure you have it right there.

00:37:40.900 So I just think it's disingenuous to say that teachers are underpaid

00:37:44.500 or a part of a low-paying industry.

00:37:46.200 I think we, like, to me,

00:37:48.940 that's just something that we can easily agree upon.

00:37:51.240 And so if we're recognizing-

00:37:52.560 It's $72,000.

00:37:54.340 I don't think that's bad.

00:37:56.060 That's the U.S. national average.

00:37:58.060 So it depends, like, again, when you talk about the state,

00:38:01.140 $72,000 in my state is not very much.

00:38:04.160 $72,000 in California is not very much.

00:38:07.880 And again, there can also be teachers

00:38:09.400 who are paid as little as $45,000.

00:38:11.560 I would say that-

00:38:12.560 So I would say, are you interrupting now?

00:38:14.780 There's these rules for me and-

00:38:16.280 Yeah, chill out.

00:38:17.720 Relax.

00:38:19.360 So the average logger makes $42,000.

00:38:24.340 So I would say they're underpaid

00:38:26.080 because they could die doing that.

00:38:28.240 I understand that you might not like the kids,

00:38:30.480 but they're not going to kill you.

00:38:31.740 Go ahead.

00:38:33.280 That's just a whataboutism.

00:38:34.840 So we're talking about industries that are underpaid.

00:38:37.840 And if you want to recognize that teachers are underpaid

00:38:40.400 and just say, hey, women, go into STEM,

00:38:42.980 then we're not going to have teachers anymore.

00:38:45.360 Oh, no.

00:38:46.620 Whatever.

00:38:46.780 And is that an outcome that we want?

00:38:48.960 Whatever will we do?

00:38:50.440 Maybe the men will go back into it

00:38:52.120 and education will flip around.

00:38:54.540 Well, no.

00:38:55.380 If men-

00:38:56.380 Why would men go into it if it's low paid?

00:38:58.960 They go into other necessary industries.

00:39:02.260 Loggers are low paid, and that's mostly men.

00:39:05.620 How-

00:39:06.440 And that's one of the number one-

00:39:08.200 I think that's just due to-

00:39:09.220 And that's number one of the number one deaths in the United States.

00:39:12.160 Truckers is another one.

00:39:14.200 But here's the thing.

00:39:14.900 Men don't really complain about work conditions.

00:39:17.360 Men have awful work conditions where they actually die

00:39:20.980 or can get heavily injured on the job.

00:39:23.960 And they're not complaining.

00:39:28.020 So-

00:39:28.400 And this is the thing-

00:39:29.580 Well, not that many die a year.

00:39:30.860 I think one is too many.

00:39:33.840 There's no teachers that are-

00:39:35.820 There's no teachers that are dying from teaching in general.

00:39:39.320 So, all right, you gotta-

00:39:41.440 You gotta let me finish, Kenzie.

00:39:43.920 You can go, but you gotta-

00:39:45.440 You gotta-

00:39:46.600 This is my show.

00:39:47.900 You don't get to go on someone else's show and over-talk them.

00:39:50.520 If you're not okay with that, you're welcome to bounce.

00:39:54.320 It's not about-

00:39:55.120 Well, there she goes again.

00:39:58.000 There she goes.

00:40:00.900 Okay, so I actually find it a little bit offensive.

00:40:05.140 Not that I'm actually offended, but I have thick skin.

00:40:09.760 I can take it.

00:40:10.580 But I think it's ironic that teachers complain about their pay

00:40:15.080 when they get off for three months of the year.

00:40:16.940 And there's a guy that dies from crab fishing on oil rigs, loggers.

00:40:22.940 And what feminists tend to do is you guys try to minimize it

00:40:25.580 and say, well, but not that many men die.

00:40:29.920 It's how dare you?

00:40:31.360 One is too many.

00:40:32.960 And you're such a privileged class that you could say,

00:40:35.980 oh, not that many men die

00:40:37.520 when you're sitting in an apartment or a house built by a man.

00:40:41.500 When a lot of times many men's lives are sacrificed

00:40:44.580 to keep you safe and having the amenities that you do.

00:40:50.800 Now you can go, Kenzie.

00:40:53.180 Good job.

00:40:57.140 So when we talk about workplace deaths,

00:40:59.760 I would just say that that's an outcome due to capitalism

00:41:01.920 because obviously it's going to cost an employer more money

00:41:05.260 in order to implement safety measures.

00:41:07.500 And when it comes to like crab boats,

00:41:09.220 we're obviously looking at poor working conditions,

00:41:11.480 which a lot of employers aren't going to care risking their employees' well-being

00:41:15.460 because they still need to produce product in order to gain profit.

00:41:19.320 So again, these are issues with capitalism.

00:41:22.860 My whole point with I don't think it's that many men that die a year

00:41:27.000 is that you made a contradiction and said it is.

00:41:31.160 It is many men who give their lives for capitalism.

00:41:35.660 Do you think sexual violence is an issue for men?

00:41:38.820 Okay, so now we're going to go to another thing.

00:41:41.480 So my point is not about capitalism.

00:41:46.160 That's kind of a whole different topic.

00:41:48.980 What I'm talking about is it's something called gratitude.

00:41:53.440 Yes, yes.

00:41:54.760 Where if men are building the society that you get to live in.

00:42:01.760 So this podcast, Mike, invented by a man.

00:42:05.420 The desk I'm sitting in, the wood was probably gathered by a man.

00:42:09.460 And there are men that die in order to keep you safe and protected.

00:42:14.360 And as a thank you, feminists in general,

00:42:18.920 I can't say if you do this personally,

00:42:21.040 but you guys, there's no gratitude.

00:42:24.720 You're constantly complaining about women's problems

00:42:27.580 and minimizing men's.

00:42:31.020 So that would be my two cents.

00:42:34.320 Go ahead.

00:42:36.700 I don't think it's about minimizing the oppressions

00:42:39.460 that men experience under capitalism because those are.

00:42:42.660 But when we look at patriarchy in tandem with capitalism,

00:42:45.640 the reason that men are within these positions

00:42:47.940 is because of that combination of gender role.

00:42:50.280 Because patriarchy requires a dependency on men.

00:42:54.280 It's interesting that you highlight male contributions.

00:42:57.300 When it comes to female contributions,

00:42:59.080 obviously that is care to children.

00:43:01.060 That is reproductive labor.

00:43:02.940 Without that, there isn't society.

00:43:06.380 So I don't know why you act like men are responsible

00:43:09.320 for everything good in the world

00:43:11.660 and that women just do nothing.

00:43:13.720 You minimize women's labor

00:43:15.860 and glorify and amplify men's labor.

00:43:19.080 And that's just misogyny for them.

00:43:20.560 Well, I would actually agree with you

00:43:22.160 and it's because women,

00:43:23.440 we just have a tendency to not be very good at it.

00:43:26.600 So like we can't,

00:43:27.660 we can't,

00:43:28.180 I need you to not,

00:43:29.200 I need you to stop.

00:43:30.580 You can do it.

00:43:32.100 So for example,

00:43:33.800 you said that women

00:43:36.220 are responsible for childcare and having kids.

00:43:40.800 We're not having kids

00:43:42.200 and we're more likely to abuse infants.

00:43:44.760 We're more likely to commit an infanticide.

00:43:47.300 We're more likely to abuse the elderly.

00:43:49.960 So the other thing I would say is

00:43:52.000 you mentioned that it's because of gender roles.

00:43:55.600 Kenzie, go apply to be on the oil rigs.

00:43:57.820 Go apply to be a logger.

00:43:59.760 You're not going to do it

00:44:00.900 and feminists in general won't do it

00:44:03.120 because you can't

00:44:04.760 or you're too lazy to.

00:44:05.980 Those are hard jobs.

00:44:06.940 So when women start doing the things

00:44:09.340 that men are doing,

00:44:10.540 I will stop minimizing them.

00:44:12.620 But what we do is we take the easy jobs

00:44:15.080 and we still complain.

00:44:17.480 We still,

00:44:18.280 we still complain.

00:44:26.660 So no,

00:44:27.660 I think that's an unfair characterization.

00:44:30.680 When you talk about like child abuse

00:44:32.440 and elderly abuse,

00:44:33.620 sure I can agree there's a higher volume for women

00:44:36.100 because women are more likely

00:44:37.480 to be taking care of children.

00:44:38.660 Let me guess.

00:44:39.220 It's not their fault

00:44:40.200 because they,

00:44:41.140 because they,

00:44:41.880 it's not their fault

00:44:44.000 because they care for the elderly

00:44:46.520 and the kids more, right?

00:44:48.020 Is that where you're going with it?

00:44:49.160 I'll go ahead.

00:44:50.900 You know,

00:44:51.220 it's,

00:44:51.640 are you like just fine?

00:44:54.620 Are we rage baiting

00:44:55.820 or is this just like?

00:44:57.380 Oh,

00:44:57.740 there's the nagging.

00:44:59.340 She wants to say,

00:45:00.220 do the show how I want you to do the show.

00:45:02.260 It's not a standard that I am setting.

00:45:06.820 It's a standard.

00:45:07.780 Gaslighting.

00:45:08.400 She's going to gaslight.

00:45:15.080 There she goes.

00:45:23.880 There she goes.

00:45:24.800 You can unmute now.

00:45:25.900 Go ahead.

00:45:26.820 If you want or stay.

00:45:28.640 For what, Pearl?

00:45:29.600 What's the point?

00:45:31.240 Well,

00:45:31.720 if you,

00:45:32.080 if you're,

00:45:33.200 if you follow the rules,

00:45:34.420 don't worry.

00:45:35.760 It's not following the rules.

00:45:37.360 That's not what this is about.

00:45:38.560 Gaslight.

00:45:39.260 There she goes.

00:45:41.020 I mean,

00:45:41.640 you set the parameters

00:45:42.740 and you don't follow the rules.

00:45:44.440 Yeah.

00:45:45.360 Well.

00:45:45.740 Let's,

00:45:46.200 let me ask you.

00:45:46.720 Now she's going to nag more.

00:45:48.800 Okay.

00:45:49.220 So I want to stick to the topic.

00:45:51.040 You can do it.

00:45:51.580 If you're so grateful for me.

00:45:53.040 Okay.

00:45:54.120 And you think.

00:45:54.680 Okay.

00:45:55.240 Now she's going to crash out.

00:45:57.260 She's going to crash out.

00:45:58.640 Now she's going to crash out.

00:46:00.140 I knew it.

00:46:02.920 She wants to know where my kids are.

00:46:04.780 Should I put them on stream?

00:46:10.620 Where's your,

00:46:11.400 I know,

00:46:11.960 I know,

00:46:12.320 I know.

00:46:14.100 Yeah.

00:46:15.180 Yeah.

00:46:15.980 Let,

00:46:16.940 let me put my personal life on the internet

00:46:19.300 for all the nice feminists like you.

00:46:22.340 Well,

00:46:22.800 it's a contradiction.

00:46:23.940 All right.

00:46:24.740 Yeah.

00:46:24.960 I mean,

00:46:25.880 that's,

00:46:26.280 that's totally fine.

00:46:27.580 You have centered career.

00:46:29.040 All right.

00:46:29.300 All right.

00:46:29.800 I know.

00:46:30.340 Do you agree?

00:46:30.920 I know.

00:46:31.260 I'm,

00:46:31.520 I'm the worst,

00:46:32.600 whatever.

00:46:33.360 That's not what I said.

00:46:34.160 I said you've centered career.

00:46:35.500 All right.

00:46:35.780 Now we're going to go personal.

00:46:37.320 There she goes.

00:46:39.340 There she,

00:46:39.740 it's like,

00:46:40.100 I could call you a catfish,

00:46:41.700 but I'm not going to do that.

00:46:43.720 Fine.

00:46:44.080 Go ahead.

00:46:44.620 You know,

00:46:44.900 it's like,

00:46:45.520 all right.

00:46:46.240 So I want to stick to the men.

00:46:48.140 Okay.

00:46:49.580 Do you agree?

00:46:50.360 So I want to,

00:46:50.900 I want to stick to male jobs and female jobs.

00:46:54.060 No,

00:46:54.920 you don't.

00:46:55.380 So I want,

00:46:56.500 yeah.

00:46:56.680 Now she said,

00:46:57.460 I want to talk about whatever I want to talk about.

00:47:00.680 I want to question,

00:47:02.140 I want to question your life.

00:47:04.700 So I'm going to,

00:47:06.120 I'm going to go through a couple,

00:47:08.340 a couple jobs that I have listed for men versus women.

00:47:16.100 So,

00:47:17.180 all right.

00:47:19.700 So here we go.

00:47:21.160 Top male professions,

00:47:23.520 electrical engineers,

00:47:25.600 aircraft pilots,

00:47:27.120 agriculture,

00:47:28.020 construction,

00:47:29.020 firefighting,

00:47:30.400 manufacturing.

00:47:32.200 We wouldn't have houses.

00:47:33.540 98% of carpenters are male.

00:47:35.600 95% of truck drivers are male.

00:47:38.420 Aerospace engineers,

00:47:39.780 male.

00:47:41.500 Farmers,

00:47:42.260 87% male.

00:47:43.920 Zero Nobel prizes have been awarded to all,

00:47:46.880 all female team.

00:47:48.520 We're not really invented too well.

00:47:51.060 Female.

00:47:51.600 Now you could say,

00:47:52.620 you could come in and say,

00:47:53.820 women,

00:47:54.740 what are we doing to contribute to society?

00:47:56.620 We do so much.

00:47:57.720 We are just held back.

00:47:58.840 I'm sure that's what you think.

00:48:00.800 I mean,

00:48:01.080 it's like women,

00:48:01.620 we can't even put the donut down to not be fat.

00:48:04.160 And we're saying that we can be aerospace engineers.

00:48:06.920 I don't think so.

00:48:07.880 We got nurses,

00:48:11.020 school psychologists,

00:48:12.440 social workers,

00:48:13.420 occupational therapists,

00:48:15.340 a medical record specialist,

00:48:17.640 assistants,

00:48:18.620 floral designers.

00:48:19.460 I just can't say that that's as important or needed as,

00:48:25.960 I don't know,

00:48:26.600 the buildings we're in.

00:48:31.680 Like,

00:48:32.320 we wouldn't even have food if the truck drivers didn't bring it to us,

00:48:35.740 the farmers.

00:48:37.600 I mean,

00:48:38.200 they create 80% of the world's stuff,

00:48:40.720 75% of the world's food.

00:48:43.360 So,

00:48:44.800 yeah.

00:48:49.020 I,

00:48:49.700 I would say that.

00:48:51.700 I'm sorry.

00:48:51.960 Is there a question here?

00:48:52.860 I would say that men's jobs are more important than women's because we could

00:48:58.300 not have a society without women's jobs.

00:49:01.140 So if women started doing 50.

00:49:03.000 I agree.

00:49:03.300 We couldn't have a society without women's jobs.

00:49:05.280 I'm sorry,

00:49:05.620 men's misspoke.

00:49:06.940 But if women wanted to do 50% of the carpentry,

00:49:10.900 then I wouldn't have to,

00:49:12.480 you know,

00:49:13.440 if we did 50% of the construction,

00:49:15.820 I wouldn't really have a problem with them.

00:49:18.040 I wouldn't really.

00:49:18.840 Women's participation in construction has gone up 22% in the last 10 years.

00:49:23.020 And it's still barely anybody.

00:49:26.200 Like,

00:49:26.640 this is what they do.

00:49:27.560 This is what they do.

00:49:28.420 They say,

00:49:29.440 we went up from 2% to 10%.

00:49:31.760 Look at what we're doing.

00:49:33.060 I'm like,

00:49:33.680 22% in 10 years.

00:49:35.020 Yeah.

00:49:35.440 Okay.

00:49:35.920 This is the gaslighting.

00:49:37.980 We're just going to gaslight even further.

00:49:39.900 What is gaslighting,

00:49:40.760 Pearl?

00:49:41.340 It's just gonna.

00:49:42.480 And this is the other tactic that they do,

00:49:45.540 is they make you define every word to derail the conversation.

00:49:50.060 They can't,

00:49:50.460 they can't,

00:49:50.900 they can't have a normal conversation.

00:49:52.560 They can't have a normal conversation.

00:49:54.360 You know,

00:49:54.980 as an adult,

00:49:55.920 I just assume that you can understand basic English to some extent.

00:50:00.600 I,

00:50:00.820 I just,

00:50:01.340 I just assume that,

00:50:03.900 you know,

00:50:04.540 me and you can have a conversation.

00:50:06.140 As adults,

00:50:06.880 we've spoken this language for 20 years.

00:50:09.440 And then what the feminists come in and do is they define this,

00:50:14.420 define that,

00:50:15.100 define that.

00:50:16.760 And it's just a derail the conversation.

00:50:19.160 And then,

00:50:21.100 and then they crash out.

00:50:24.620 And they crash out.

00:50:25.900 But if you want to have a normal conversation,

00:50:33.120 you're welcome to come back.

00:50:35.440 You know,

00:50:36.480 what,

00:50:36.960 what's a normal conversation?

00:50:38.220 I can't believe as an adult,

00:50:40.940 we have to decide normal conversation.

00:50:43.500 What I try,

00:50:44.640 what I tried to have with you,

00:50:46.900 Kenzie,

00:50:48.260 you know,

00:50:49.120 they can't,

00:50:49.600 they can't take not being in control.

00:50:52.320 They can't.

00:50:54.000 Constant is not normal conversation.

00:50:56.960 I know,

00:50:57.400 but it's how I wish conversation would go because women,

00:51:00.620 we tend to be so insufferable to have conversations that we don't even under,

00:51:06.220 nobody ever calls us out on it.

00:51:08.940 There's the crash out.

00:51:12.920 There's the crash out.

00:51:17.720 All right.

00:51:18.480 I'll,

00:51:18.680 I'll let you go a little bit,

00:51:20.340 but please don't ask me any definitions because it's really just going to derail

00:51:24.660 everything.

00:51:26.100 Snide remarks.

00:51:27.240 I'll also mute you.

00:51:28.700 Just,

00:51:29.020 you know,

00:51:29.940 be nice.

00:51:30.600 You can do it.

00:51:31.800 I believe in you.

00:51:33.740 I don't know what I've said that you,

00:51:36.220 would consider is mean to you gaslighting.

00:51:39.220 I didn't say mean.

00:51:40.640 Didn't say mean.

00:51:43.080 I just want you to stick to the topic.

00:51:45.200 The men versus women's job.

00:51:48.840 Earl,

00:51:49.380 you said you can do it.

00:51:53.620 Go ahead.

00:51:54.360 Go ahead.

00:51:55.800 Why do you say go ahead and then mute me?

00:51:58.440 Well,

00:51:58.840 because I just,

00:51:59.680 I want you to talk normally.

00:52:01.400 And I just,

00:52:01.840 you guys,

00:52:02.180 I am talking normally.

00:52:03.200 So the reason that I ask you to define words is because you're using them

00:52:06.480 incorrectly.

00:52:07.180 Okay.

00:52:07.280 Then this is,

00:52:08.820 this is how women,

00:52:09.920 this is another tactic.

00:52:11.360 This is another manipulation.

00:52:15.140 So what women do is they change the definitions of words to confuse you.

00:52:19.940 I'm,

00:52:21.560 I haven't even given a definition of anything.

00:52:24.780 How can I change the definition if I haven't given one?

00:52:27.700 All right.

00:52:28.060 That's gaslighting.

00:52:29.080 All right.

00:52:29.180 All right.

00:52:29.500 So can we stick to the male versus female jobs?

00:52:32.640 Patrol says,

00:52:33.460 whoops,

00:52:33.740 I did it again.

00:52:35.620 I don't know what that means,

00:52:36.960 but thank you for the $100 super show.

00:52:38.920 you're coping hard here,

00:52:39.560 Pearl.

00:52:39.820 I don't know what the benefit of the.

00:52:41.620 All right.

00:52:41.900 So we're going to go to the men versus women's jobs,

00:52:45.080 men versus women's jobs.

00:52:50.380 Go ahead.

00:52:52.560 Go ahead with what?

00:52:55.120 Men versus women's jobs.

00:52:57.980 What does that mean?

00:52:58.840 All right.

00:52:59.020 So if men,

00:52:59.640 if men make 80% of the world's stuff and 70% of the food supply and women work

00:53:07.220 less hours,

00:53:08.080 why do they deserve equal pay?

00:53:12.520 Because there's labor that they do that is benefit to society.

00:53:16.240 I,

00:53:16.700 again,

00:53:16.920 when we,

00:53:17.420 when we talk about like industries,

00:53:19.480 I think we need to recognize that under capitalism,

00:53:23.040 pay is not determined on necessity.

00:53:25.160 It's determined based on profit,

00:53:26.920 which is why I was trying to highlight that teachers are a necessary person for

00:53:33.020 society.

00:53:33.600 If we want an educated.

00:53:36.260 I will.

00:53:37.220 A new generation of workers.

00:53:38.820 I would agree with you if they were doing a good job,

00:53:41.340 but there's kids graduate.

00:53:43.080 I'm from Chicago and they're graduating in the city of Chicago and they can't

00:53:46.280 read.

00:53:47.260 So the issue is because of capitalism,

00:53:49.200 because of underfunded schools and unpaid,

00:53:51.760 underpaid teachers.

00:53:52.940 I know,

00:53:53.300 but you're doing it again.

00:53:55.080 So every,

00:53:55.440 every time women don't meet a burden of performance.

00:53:58.160 So every time women don't do something well.

00:54:00.980 And I would say if,

00:54:02.540 if a kid is graduating high school and they can't read some,

00:54:05.940 it's not somebody and somebody,

00:54:07.860 it's the system,

00:54:08.540 somebody in the administration,

00:54:10.260 the teachers failed them.

00:54:11.620 And every time it's the women failing,

00:54:13.840 you blame the system instead of the women.

00:54:15.960 It's never the women's fault.

00:54:17.100 Right.

00:54:17.420 Because if they don't have access to the appropriate resources,

00:54:20.680 they have too high of class loads.

00:54:22.480 Then we don't give them the tools to perform with excellence.

00:54:25.500 Then of course,

00:54:26.920 we're not going to have good results.

00:54:28.080 Well,

00:54:28.360 I don't know how.

00:54:29.040 Imagine if I criticized how men build houses,

00:54:31.360 if we didn't give them hammers.

00:54:33.200 Well,

00:54:33.660 I wouldn't say it's really the same.

00:54:35.440 I wouldn't say it's the same thing because now we have teachers and

00:54:38.840 teachers assistants,

00:54:40.880 you know,

00:54:41.860 we don't.

00:54:43.080 Yeah.

00:54:43.300 Maybe in college.

00:54:44.420 No,

00:54:44.920 it's pretty common in high schools now.

00:54:47.580 Okay.

00:54:49.040 It's pretty common.

00:54:50.220 Still,

00:54:50.580 that doesn't account for classrooms being,

00:54:53.160 having too many children in them,

00:54:54.520 them being underfunded.

00:54:55.820 Yeah.

00:54:56.120 So again,

00:54:57.180 them being pushed through the system to graduate so that they can enter into

00:55:00.600 capitalism to replace the labor force.

00:55:03.020 but the majority of principals now are women.

00:55:06.220 The majority.

00:55:07.100 So who's again,

00:55:08.780 the majority of people in legislative government are men.

00:55:12.520 And that's really not true.

00:55:14.780 I mean,

00:55:15.920 in the city of Chicago,

00:55:17.960 hold on,

00:55:18.340 let me look this up.

00:55:19.200 City of Chicago,

00:55:21.940 Chicago,

00:55:23.780 a cost that pays what per kid?

00:55:29.900 I can't remember.

00:55:30.360 Do you think the police perform well?

00:55:32.060 I don't have an opinion on that.

00:55:36.860 Well,

00:55:37.480 how can you have an opinion that women are failing within their predominant

00:55:41.620 industry of teaching,

00:55:42.680 but not have an opinion of police,

00:55:45.140 which is obviously a male dominated industry.

00:55:47.780 A majority of crime is not solved.

00:55:51.420 Well,

00:55:52.120 if it's not solved.

00:55:53.440 So is that men's underperformance?

00:55:57.220 If that's true,

00:55:58.740 I would say,

00:55:59.420 yeah.

00:56:00.460 Great.

00:56:00.900 Then,

00:56:01.080 then why is that not a critique?

00:56:02.980 Like if you're going to have these critiques that women underperform in their industry and

00:56:06.820 men don't,

00:56:07.640 I would think you would be aware of all industries.

00:56:09.880 I would,

00:56:10.200 I would say when men do underperform,

00:56:13.300 um,

00:56:13.840 I mean,

00:56:14.100 there was riots about men's underperforming.

00:56:16.740 The world lets men know when they underperform.

00:56:19.500 It wasn't due to underperformance.

00:56:21.640 It was due to violence,

00:56:23.600 to police brutality.

00:56:25.120 Like,

00:56:25.660 come on.

00:56:27.280 That's true.

00:56:28.420 That's true.

00:56:29.080 But that's them not doing their job.

00:56:31.120 That's overperformance of anything.

00:56:32.880 Well,

00:56:33.360 but the world lets men know when they're underperforming.

00:56:38.340 But when,

00:56:38.880 you know,

00:56:39.420 but when,

00:56:40.420 when,

00:56:40.840 when,

00:56:41.560 when,

00:56:42.040 I don't want to mute you again,

00:56:43.400 but if you keep cutting me off,

00:56:44.620 I'm going to have to,

00:56:45.440 I do it.

00:56:45.880 I kind of do it.

00:56:46.660 but when,

00:56:49.020 when men,

00:56:51.320 um,

00:56:51.860 when women underperform,

00:56:53.100 it's always society's fault.

00:56:55.180 And what I'm asking,

00:56:56.500 you know,

00:56:56.800 I just want the same energy that you guys have for men,

00:57:00.460 for women.

00:57:01.540 You guys have no problems.

00:57:03.280 I'll tell you,

00:57:04.100 you said.

00:57:04.760 You just reduce,

00:57:05.900 you just blame it on gender rather than systems.

00:57:09.220 That's the difference.

00:57:11.060 Well,

00:57:11.580 if our gender performed better,

00:57:13.660 I wouldn't have to.

00:57:14.660 But you don't recognize that it's the system,

00:57:17.560 not the individual.

00:57:19.860 I don't think it's the system.

00:57:22.760 I think it is the individual.

00:57:24.460 I know you don't because you don't read.

00:57:26.440 Okay.

00:57:27.220 Well,

00:57:27.980 if you are what reading produces,

00:57:30.320 then I guess I'll read more.

00:57:31.540 Yeah.

00:57:32.220 Education.

00:57:32.940 I mean,

00:57:33.120 I know you've got a grift,

00:57:34.160 so,

00:57:34.840 you know,

00:57:35.240 there's nothing.

00:57:36.220 All right.

00:57:36.400 That was rude.

00:57:37.260 Now you get muted.

00:57:41.680 You know.

00:57:42.960 All right.

00:57:43.600 Chicago cost per,

00:57:46.900 is it cost per pupil?

00:57:51.640 I can't remember the status.

00:57:53.000 Looked this up before.

00:57:54.760 Spending per student.

00:57:56.200 Yeah,

00:57:56.400 they get $20,000 per student.

00:57:59.200 That's a lot in Chicago public schools.

00:58:02.440 And there are still students that can't read.

00:58:04.560 20K.

00:58:05.300 My private school was less than half of that in high school.

00:58:10.380 We performed better than the public schools that had double the funding.

00:58:14.060 I don't think it's a funding issue.

00:58:17.000 I think it's a,

00:58:20.100 the challenge you get is.

00:58:23.440 Were your private school teachers women?

00:58:26.520 Some of them.

00:58:27.600 Some not.

00:58:28.680 The majority?

00:58:29.220 No,

00:58:30.840 actually,

00:58:31.320 we had a mostly male administration.

00:58:33.800 I think it's,

00:58:34.380 I.

00:58:34.980 Administration or teachers?

00:58:36.140 No,

00:58:36.380 teachers.

00:58:37.000 I would say like,

00:58:37.980 it was about half and half.

00:58:40.120 No,

00:58:40.440 you,

00:58:40.760 see,

00:58:41.200 why you gotta,

00:58:42.100 see.

00:58:43.380 Well,

00:58:43.800 I want to see if you're honest.

00:58:45.220 And I don't think you are.

00:58:46.120 Well,

00:58:47.240 you could look into it if you want,

00:58:49.260 but.

00:58:50.340 Sure.

00:58:51.420 This is why like the anecdote,

00:58:53.280 like,

00:58:53.440 I don't even know if what you're saying about your private school is true.

00:58:56.880 Okay.

00:58:57.580 Well,

00:58:57.880 this is good faith versus bad faith.

00:59:01.640 You are very bad faith,

00:59:02.960 Pearl.

00:59:03.220 All right.

00:59:03.820 There she goes.

00:59:05.720 20,

00:59:06.100 don't you think $20,000 is a lot per student?

00:59:09.160 You know,

00:59:09.400 how,

00:59:09.680 what would be enough money where,

00:59:11.440 like if they increased it in Chicago,

00:59:13.700 where they would increase it to say $25,000 a student.

00:59:18.980 Would you then.

00:59:20.600 In Chicago?

00:59:21.280 I have no idea.

00:59:22.000 Okay.

00:59:23.020 But at what point,

00:59:24.560 I'm asking at what point is it the women's fault for failing at a job?

00:59:28.380 Is it ever their fault?

00:59:30.720 You would need to show me causation,

00:59:32.180 Pearl.

00:59:33.140 Oh,

00:59:33.460 there we go.

00:59:36.360 There she goes.

00:59:38.880 There has been a 50% rise in spending for education between 2018 and 2022.

00:59:47.360 Academic.

00:59:47.920 Well,

00:59:48.120 yeah,

00:59:48.440 we also went through a pandemic and experienced inflation.

00:59:51.780 Okay.

00:59:52.200 Now it's the pandemic's fault that kids can't read.

00:59:55.220 Well,

00:59:55.240 pandemic caused inflation,

00:59:56.700 Pearl.

00:59:56.900 It would make sense that.

00:59:58.000 Okay.

00:59:58.160 There she goes.

01:00:00.440 Okay.

01:00:04.060 Mm-hmm.

01:00:07.980 All right.

01:00:08.700 So I would say,

01:00:10.480 sorry,

01:00:10.900 this last one,

01:00:11.640 I actually shouldn't have unmuted you.

01:00:13.060 That was my bad.

01:00:14.320 So this,

01:00:16.060 I would say my main point though,

01:00:17.920 is that when men make a mistake,

01:00:20.520 they are criticized.

01:00:21.400 Men are criticized all the time.

01:00:23.680 But when women make a mistake or fail at their job,

01:00:26.280 it's just never their fault.

01:00:30.060 I just disagree.

01:00:32.500 Okay.

01:00:32.840 What are the other topics you're going to go through?

01:00:41.700 What's your view on marriage?

01:00:42.980 Are you pro-marriage or anti-marriage or indifferent?

01:00:45.960 Do you think it's a good thing?

01:00:46.740 I mean,

01:00:47.080 it depends how we're conceptualizing marriage here,

01:00:49.480 but I know you don't want to talk definitions or what concepts are,

01:00:52.880 so I'm not sure.

01:00:53.500 Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing?

01:00:58.380 I mean,

01:00:58.820 it's hard to know what you're asking me,

01:01:00.800 because like,

01:01:01.620 are we talking about marriage as like a legal contract with the state?

01:01:07.160 Are we talking marriage as a theological commitment?

01:01:10.840 Sure.

01:01:11.000 Are we talking,

01:01:12.040 like,

01:01:12.340 what are we talking about marriage?

01:01:13.660 Sure.

01:01:13.960 Why don't we do the state marriage?

01:01:16.900 What do you think of that?

01:01:18.960 So,

01:01:19.600 I think there is benefit to entering in a contract with marriage,

01:01:24.340 depending on what your goals are.

01:01:26.240 Obviously,

01:01:26.920 there can be tax breaks,

01:01:28.160 which can benefit you economically.

01:01:31.120 You can have access to your spouse's health care,

01:01:34.400 which can also benefit you not only in health,

01:01:37.240 but psychologically as well as economically.

01:01:39.940 And then also you have more protections when it comes to the acquisition of

01:01:45.380 capital during the union.

01:01:47.560 Okay.

01:01:47.880 Do you think it's a net positive overall?

01:01:52.280 Again,

01:01:52.780 it would depend on the metrics.

01:01:54.480 Okay.

01:01:54.860 And it would be context dependent.

01:01:56.520 Do you agree that as long as there's no abuse,

01:01:59.980 that custody should be 50,

01:02:01.420 ideally would be 50-50?

01:02:04.200 I think it should just be agreed based on what the parties can come up with.

01:02:09.180 Right.

01:02:09.620 But off the bat,

01:02:10.880 50-50.

01:02:12.560 Well,

01:02:13.100 if one parent doesn't want the child.

01:02:15.700 Yeah,

01:02:16.000 fine.

01:02:16.160 No,

01:02:16.400 I don't think they should be forced to have it.

01:02:18.040 If they don't want it,

01:02:19.080 fine.

01:02:19.400 But I'm saying off the bat,

01:02:20.920 50-50.

01:02:22.000 If that's what the parent parental unit wants,

01:02:24.860 then yes,

01:02:25.240 I would think that would be great.

01:02:26.340 Okay.

01:02:26.940 So,

01:02:27.360 my opinion is that while there are some benefits like the ones you listed,

01:02:32.380 I don't think those are necessarily bad things.

01:02:35.620 I would say that it is a bad deal for men because they're more than likely going to lose custody of their kids if there's a divorce.

01:02:43.860 The average divorce is $20,000.

01:02:45.760 And there's very few benefits that outweigh that risk of losing.

01:02:53.600 So,

01:02:54.020 90% of child custody is decided outside of court.

01:02:58.260 So,

01:02:58.460 if men are not having possession of their children,

01:03:02.480 it's because they don't want it.

01:03:03.460 No.

01:03:03.660 So,

01:03:03.880 that's often what feminists say.

01:03:06.580 But the challenge is a lot of men are advised not to fight for custody because they don't have the means.

01:03:11.140 If you're an average,

01:03:11.900 and we talked about people that are living paycheck to paycheck or, you know,

01:03:17.000 middle,

01:03:17.420 lower class guys,

01:03:18.320 they don't have 20K to spend fighting for custody.

01:03:21.080 And sometimes it's a lot.

01:03:21.720 I mean,

01:03:22.040 if they have a lawyer,

01:03:22.920 then I would.

01:03:23.800 And sometimes it's a lot.

01:03:24.920 Just wait.

01:03:25.520 You can go.

01:03:26.500 And sometimes it's a lot more than that.

01:03:29.780 So,

01:03:30.160 I would attribute that to men not wanting to.

01:03:35.020 And they also know that the majority of the time,

01:03:38.200 they're not going to win.

01:03:39.940 So,

01:03:40.980 a lot of lawyers,

01:03:42.000 if they don't think their case is a sure thing,

01:03:43.900 they advise them to fight against it.

01:03:50.580 So,

01:03:51.340 it's not feminists that say 90% of child custody cases are decided outside of court.

01:03:56.360 That's the American Bar Association.

01:03:58.420 Again,

01:03:58.540 and that's not what I said.

01:04:00.080 A lot of,

01:04:00.560 I said,

01:04:01.800 the argument feminists said is that they don't want custody.

01:04:06.380 Go ahead.

01:04:07.220 Go ahead.

01:04:07.460 I'll let you go.

01:04:07.900 Because the decision is made outside of court,

01:04:10.220 which means that both parties agree.

01:04:12.920 And if we can acknowledge that men have more access to capital than women do,

01:04:17.160 I would say that men are more advantaged when it comes to having a lawyer.

01:04:22.040 Now,

01:04:22.360 of the men that,

01:04:23.860 of cases that are contested about,

01:04:26.160 about four percent,

01:04:29.540 four or six percent,

01:04:30.980 I want to say it's six percent,

01:04:32.380 six percent go to mediation,

01:04:34.340 and then only four percent are decided in front of a judge.

01:04:37.580 And of the four percent that is decided in front of a judge,

01:04:40.540 men are awarded what they want,

01:04:42.640 65 percent of the time.

01:04:43.840 Right.

01:04:44.520 But what I said was that in the beginning,

01:04:47.100 so when the men,

01:04:47.920 what happens is you schedule a consult with the lawyers.

01:04:51.680 And that's,

01:04:52.320 that's not,

01:04:53.160 that's that.

01:04:54.000 Okay.

01:04:54.840 Wait.

01:04:55.240 Jesus,

01:04:56.900 wait,

01:04:57.500 wait.

01:04:58.500 So,

01:04:58.900 what happens in a lot of those meetings is that they are advised to not fight

01:05:05.900 because the odds are just not in their favor.

01:05:11.720 So,

01:05:12.600 you could say they don't fight,

01:05:14.740 but when a guy's making,

01:05:16.100 you know,

01:05:16.320 $42,000 a year as a logger,

01:05:18.760 he doesn't have $20,000 to fight in court when a lot of the times he may be

01:05:23.860 on child support,

01:05:24.800 he may be kicked out of his house.

01:05:28.600 Or,

01:05:29.480 you know,

01:05:30.500 you know,

01:05:32.820 and he's going through a deeply like emotional time.

01:05:35.360 So,

01:05:35.620 a lot of times they,

01:05:38.980 yeah,

01:05:39.400 they're advised to not do it.

01:05:43.760 I,

01:05:44.280 I just don't see any evidence of that.

01:05:46.680 You can file a divorce without a lawyer.

01:05:49.040 You,

01:05:49.520 you can file,

01:05:50.400 but if you're going to take the case to court,

01:05:52.120 you'll usually do a consult.

01:05:55.540 Right.

01:05:56.000 And so,

01:05:56.540 why would you take the case to court?

01:05:58.980 Okay.

01:05:59.500 So,

01:05:59.780 if you know your wife is going to fight you for custody of your kid,

01:06:04.280 and you know,

01:06:04.880 if you spend $30,000,

01:06:06.280 $20,000,

01:06:07.480 $30,000,

01:06:07.860 $40,000,

01:06:08.620 which is a lot of money,

01:06:09.560 you'd agree,

01:06:10.060 right?

01:06:11.380 Yeah.

01:06:12.100 So,

01:06:13.160 most men don't want to take their life savings for a 50,

01:06:17.880 50 chance of custody.

01:06:20.280 Right.

01:06:20.540 But you're just assuming that most women want to take custody from their

01:06:25.600 exes.

01:06:26.540 Well,

01:06:26.960 I would just say is not true.

01:06:28.600 All I can,

01:06:29.120 like it benefits women who are going to be single,

01:06:32.120 uh,

01:06:32.940 to share custody because then they have access to additional childcare.

01:06:36.580 Yeah.

01:06:36.900 You could say that,

01:06:38.040 but the issue is a lot of child support is based on how off,

01:06:42.640 how much custody the woman has.

01:06:44.400 So it gives her an incentive to fight for more custody,

01:06:47.100 to get more money.

01:06:47.920 It doesn't.

01:06:48.120 You are,

01:06:48.660 you are going.

01:06:49.660 No,

01:06:49.960 that's it.

01:06:50.840 Taking child support will pay you less than working a wage job.

01:06:55.760 I understand,

01:06:57.180 um,

01:06:57.720 that they could move the numbers to maybe go like that,

01:07:02.140 but child support,

01:07:03.580 child,

01:07:04.300 child support is getting paid to do nothing.

01:07:07.560 It is getting,

01:07:08.340 child support is getting is,

01:07:10.240 okay,

01:07:10.800 we're going to,

01:07:11.200 we're going to wait.

01:07:11.920 We're going to wait.

01:07:12.660 You could do it.

01:07:13.400 You could do it.

01:07:13.920 Um,

01:07:15.340 so essentially that,

01:07:19.380 that would be my take is that generally speaking,

01:07:23.700 um,

01:07:26.000 men are advised to not fight for custody because the odds just are not in

01:07:29.940 their favor.

01:07:30.400 When you,

01:07:30.840 when you look at alimony payments,

01:07:32.360 90% are,

01:07:34.240 um,

01:07:34.920 men to women.

01:07:35.980 The majority of child support is men to women.

01:07:38.400 Um,

01:07:38.680 you might,

01:07:39.080 I understand you're probably going to try to minimize that in some way,

01:07:42.760 but the truth of the matter is the majority of the time,

01:07:46.080 if there's child support or alimony and custody,

01:07:48.800 women get all of it.

01:07:50.660 So go ahead.

01:07:54.520 So,

01:07:55.160 um,

01:07:55.840 again,

01:07:56.200 I would just argue that child support is a way to keep women in

01:07:59.260 poverty because if like,

01:08:02.260 it's interesting to me that you minimize women's care for children and

01:08:06.120 just say they're doing nothing.

01:08:07.380 They are providing care for children.

01:08:09.380 If a man had to outsource that to a daycare,

01:08:12.300 he would be paying way more to the daycare center than he would to the

01:08:16.960 other parent.

01:08:18.080 So that's why it's in men's benefits to just pay child support because

01:08:21.880 they're getting a discount on daycare.

01:08:23.780 When it comes to alimony,

01:08:25.560 again,

01:08:25.880 a majority of men play alimony because they have more access to capital and

01:08:29.820 only 10% of divorces and in alimony.

01:08:32.980 So that's not the majority experience.

01:08:36.040 Right.

01:08:36.480 But even a 10% chance is more than I would personally want to take.

01:08:42.200 If I was,

01:08:42.600 if I was a guy,

01:08:43.220 I don't,

01:08:43.860 I don't want to,

01:08:44.840 I don't,

01:08:45.220 I don't want to pay you.

01:08:46.260 I don't want to pay you.

01:08:48.040 If I was a guy,

01:08:49.140 I would just would not even want a 10% chance of being on alimony.

01:08:52.940 I just,

01:08:53.280 why would I take that extra risk?

01:08:54.520 I would say alimony is a valid payment of essentially what you've invested in

01:09:02.200 the relationship in order to get access to alimony.

01:09:05.440 It has to be a long-term relationship unless it was decided within a prenup.

01:09:09.820 Now,

01:09:10.520 if let's just say to give you a hypothetical,

01:09:13.240 if a housewife stayed home for 15 years and took care of children.

01:09:19.060 And within that 15 years,

01:09:22.420 her partner was able to climb the corporate ladder and get access to a high earning salary.

01:09:29.900 How is she not entitled to the benefits of her labor?

01:09:34.480 That sounds to me like a lack of gratitude.

01:09:37.940 She was allowed to stay home for 15 years.

01:09:41.180 Most people do not get to do that.

01:09:43.900 So I would,

01:09:45.040 I would actually say thank you for allowing me to stay home.

01:09:49.040 to stay home and raise the kids and not be entitled to more.

01:09:53.140 That is labor.

01:09:54.280 That is,

01:09:54.800 but see most,

01:09:56.520 I think that raising kids would be a privilege.

01:10:00.100 Most men would look at that as a privilege to be home and stay with their kids.

01:10:04.140 But for some reason,

01:10:05.720 women feel entitled to it.

01:10:08.440 And,

01:10:08.840 you know,

01:10:09.160 I,

01:10:09.360 again,

01:10:09.560 it's goes back to being an adult.

01:10:11.460 You don't have to have kids in this society,

01:10:14.000 which is fine.

01:10:15.960 And if you make that choice,

01:10:17.520 I think that you should be prepared to take the consequences of it.

01:10:23.800 And part of it is being out of the workforce for a little bit.

01:10:29.060 If you choose to do that,

01:10:30.540 or you can do daycare.

01:10:31.700 That's another route you could do.

01:10:33.120 Right.

01:10:37.180 So,

01:10:37.340 so now you've made contradictions within a lot of your statements.

01:10:40.660 Oh,

01:10:40.920 so.

01:10:41.240 Because of,

01:10:41.860 go ahead.

01:10:42.280 Oh,

01:10:42.460 I'm telling you.

01:10:43.940 Because like,

01:10:44.840 if we look at a business,

01:10:45.860 and let's just say that there was a partnership in a business,

01:10:49.440 and that one person was not taking a salary,

01:10:52.880 but they were doing all the administrative work within the business,

01:10:55.900 but they were partners 50,

01:10:57.800 50.

01:10:58.460 Don't you think then that they're both entitled to the profits of that

01:11:02.460 business?

01:11:03.040 No,

01:11:03.400 I don't.

01:11:04.120 I don't think,

01:11:04.760 I don't think administration is as,

01:11:07.060 as,

01:11:07.720 as important as running a company.

01:11:12.160 I don't.

01:11:12.420 Well,

01:11:12.820 that,

01:11:12.960 that's what CEOs do is administrative work.

01:11:15.880 No,

01:11:16.400 it's not.

01:11:17.800 Yeah,

01:11:18.300 it is.

01:11:18.800 I mean,

01:11:19.260 if we're.

01:11:21.200 Oh,

01:11:21.680 that's just not true.

01:11:23.100 Sorry,

01:11:23.520 that is just not true.

01:11:26.760 Okay,

01:11:27.320 so I would say that the woman got free rent,

01:11:30.720 free food,

01:11:31.580 and free ability to.

01:11:32.580 It's not free,

01:11:33.360 Pearl.

01:11:36.480 Does taking care of children have economic value?

01:11:39.260 It has value for your kids.

01:11:42.840 What is it?

01:11:43.280 Does it have economic value?

01:11:44.680 Oh my gosh.

01:11:46.640 You get free rent,

01:11:48.100 free food,

01:11:49.420 and you can do hobbies in your free time.

01:11:53.280 You know,

01:11:54.240 what is it?

01:11:54.960 Like,

01:11:55.180 it's just a lack of gratitude.

01:11:56.900 Men who,

01:11:57.800 men who are a wage earner and women who stay home,

01:12:00.720 typically men have more leisure time.

01:12:04.900 Well,

01:12:06.520 they can make a study that says anything,

01:12:09.260 these days.

01:12:10.620 Well,

01:12:10.860 that's the Labor Bureau of Statistics.

01:12:13.240 Well,

01:12:14.460 again,

01:12:14.940 they can make a study that says anything.

01:12:16.380 I mean,

01:12:17.000 you're,

01:12:17.280 sorry,

01:12:18.100 I just.

01:12:18.360 I'm just going to say,

01:12:18.940 you're just going to talk out of your ass,

01:12:20.380 and then when I give a study,

01:12:21.320 you're going to be like,

01:12:22.400 oh,

01:12:22.520 they can just say anything.

01:12:23.420 Well,

01:12:23.700 I would just say,

01:12:24.560 I kind of look at tendencies of men and women,

01:12:26.900 and men tend to,

01:12:28.480 women tend to over-exaggerate what they do,

01:12:30.960 and men tend to under-exaggerate.

01:12:34.020 Based on what?

01:12:35.400 My eyes,

01:12:36.660 experience,

01:12:37.640 my ears,

01:12:38.400 this conversation.

01:12:40.860 Yeah,

01:12:41.100 it's just your bias,

01:12:42.120 Pearl.

01:12:42.300 You just value men's labor,

01:12:43.800 and you don't value women's labor,

01:12:45.620 and that's due to misogyny.

01:12:46.940 I would say it's due to women's output,

01:12:49.160 which is less than men's.

01:12:52.700 Do you want women to have children?

01:12:55.300 Not if they don't want children.

01:12:57.640 Do you want women to have children?

01:12:59.860 Is that something you want to see within society?

01:13:03.180 I want women that want to have children to have children,

01:13:08.860 and women that don't want to have children to not.

01:13:10.840 Great,

01:13:10.880 me too.

01:13:11.340 Yeah,

01:13:11.560 I agree.

01:13:11.960 Me too.

01:13:12.620 So you think it is essential within society to have children,

01:13:16.120 correct?

01:13:16.900 The challenge now is we have an older welfare state,

01:13:21.060 so they don't really know how people are going to pay for these old people,

01:13:25.760 but I don't think that's young people's problem,

01:13:29.120 to be honest.

01:13:30.740 Well,

01:13:31.000 if we don't have children,

01:13:32.280 we can't replace the workforce,

01:13:33.800 right?

01:13:34.100 That is going to be a problem,

01:13:35.840 but I still on an individual level would say that women that want children,

01:13:40.700 I would encourage them to have them.

01:13:42.940 If they don't,

01:13:44.000 then I wouldn't.

01:13:44.800 I have seen some pretty bad moms in my day,

01:13:47.360 so.

01:13:48.240 Sure,

01:13:48.780 sure.

01:13:49.260 So I'm just,

01:13:50.580 so this is again the issue that I have when we don't talk about odds,

01:13:53.960 because if we're going to say like how society ought to be structured and

01:13:58.540 what the best function is,

01:13:59.820 then we need to recognize that things are essential.

01:14:02.180 You do say the ought,

01:14:03.560 that it is essential that we have housing and bravo men for making housing,

01:14:08.600 but you don't recognize that it's essential that we provide care to people,

01:14:13.060 elderly,

01:14:13.860 healthcare,

01:14:14.600 and children,

01:14:15.400 and that women shoulder the burden majority of these things.

01:14:19.660 You minimize that effect and label it as it should be a labor,

01:14:23.960 labor of love.

01:14:25.120 Who cares that you're not paid,

01:14:27.140 but men are paid for their labor?

01:14:30.460 I would say that men are underpaid for their labor and women are overpaid.

01:14:36.760 And the reason,

01:14:37.780 yeah,

01:14:38.400 so the reason I think this is,

01:14:40.580 it doesn't make any sense because you just add,

01:14:43.040 okay,

01:14:43.480 wait,

01:14:43.920 wait,

01:14:44.240 you can wait,

01:14:45.020 you can wait.

01:14:45.580 So the reason I think this is because men make 80% of the world's stuff,

01:14:52.720 70% of the food supply,

01:14:54.640 while there is other stuff that is important in society,

01:14:58.160 that is the most important because none of the other industries would exist without them.

01:15:04.560 Um,

01:15:05.040 there's,

01:15:05.440 there's no,

01:15:06.640 there's,

01:15:07.520 well,

01:15:08.440 wait,

01:15:09.040 this is not an ought statement.

01:15:11.340 Um,

01:15:11.540 this is an is because men are currently making all of our stuff and our food supply.

01:15:17.840 That's not ought,

01:15:18.460 that is.

01:15:18.860 And I would say that is more useful,

01:15:21.980 um,

01:15:23.520 than the jobs that we listed because society would fall apart without it.

01:15:29.840 Um,

01:15:30.740 I forgot the last thing you said.

01:15:33.200 I forgot.

01:15:33.800 I think you had one more statement I was going to respond to,

01:15:36.420 but I forgot.

01:15:37.960 Who makes people?

01:15:39.600 Uh,

01:15:39.800 that's,

01:15:40.640 you need an egg and a sperm,

01:15:41.920 as you said earlier.

01:15:43.140 So I would say men and women make people.

01:15:45.500 that's what you need in order to create conception,

01:15:47.640 but in order to actually create a person,

01:15:50.000 there has to be reproductive labor,

01:15:51.980 right?

01:15:52.160 That you can't.

01:15:52.600 Which is typically done by women.

01:15:53.700 That you can't have without,

01:15:55.020 um,

01:15:56.040 without sperm.

01:15:58.440 And women are not doing a good job doing that.

01:16:01.420 If we're going to be honest,

01:16:02.460 women are not having kids.

01:16:04.120 So,

01:16:05.200 um,

01:16:05.860 I don't.

01:16:06.460 Why are women not?

01:16:07.220 Wait,

01:16:07.400 wait,

01:16:07.600 wait,

01:16:08.240 wait,

01:16:08.680 wait,

01:16:08.940 wait.

01:16:09.440 I'm answering.

01:16:10.440 I'm answering.

01:16:11.000 So I would say that women,

01:16:14.280 women aren't having kids.

01:16:17.640 So we're not really doing that.

01:16:20.120 Um,

01:16:20.360 in terms of raising kids,

01:16:22.700 I would say that,

01:16:24.280 uh,

01:16:26.040 the majority of neglect and child abuse is done by women.

01:16:30.360 Um,

01:16:30.600 single father homes have similar outcomes to two parent homes where single mother homes create criminals,

01:16:36.900 um,

01:16:37.960 and a lot of the world's problems.

01:16:40.460 So,

01:16:41.100 uh,

01:16:41.580 if women were better at raising kids,

01:16:43.240 I would say that,

01:16:44.080 but we're just not doing too good of a job.

01:16:48.680 Um,

01:16:50.640 oh,

01:16:51.040 oh,

01:16:51.380 sorry.

01:16:51.900 Why,

01:16:52.840 why don't women want to have kids?

01:16:54.840 I forgot you asked me that.

01:16:56.840 Um,

01:16:57.300 I don't know.

01:16:58.040 It's not really my business.

01:16:59.360 Um,

01:16:59.760 I mean,

01:17:01.520 there's a plethora of reasons.

01:17:03.340 Go ahead.

01:17:04.180 So the statistic you cited that single mothers are producing criminals is incorrect.

01:17:11.600 And I would say,

01:17:12.620 what,

01:17:13.260 what percent,

01:17:14.600 what percent,

01:17:15.880 no,

01:17:16.120 we're not going to,

01:17:17.240 what percent of criminals come from single mother homes?

01:17:23.180 I think it's like 90%.

01:17:26.300 I want to double check.

01:17:30.140 Um,

01:17:31.940 adolescents.

01:17:32.920 70% of juveniles come from single mother homes.

01:17:40.700 20 times the average.

01:17:42.680 It's single parents,

01:17:43.660 not single mother.

01:17:44.520 No,

01:17:45.020 single father homes produce similar outcomes.

01:17:47.660 No,

01:17:48.180 the source comes from the,

01:17:50.080 uh,

01:17:50.440 justice department.

01:17:51.360 It was a source released in the nineties that talked about juvenile delinquents.

01:17:56.120 And I think it was something like actually 60%,

01:17:58.400 not 70,

01:17:59.980 60% came from single parent homes.

01:18:03.620 Which are majority.

01:18:04.900 And it was actually 50,

01:18:06.640 50 that came from single mother and single father.

01:18:10.080 No,

01:18:10.340 single father homes have similar outcomes.

01:18:13.700 What's the source?

01:18:15.260 I'll get it for you in a second.

01:18:19.680 Single father homes.

01:18:21.360 All right.

01:18:23.940 Let me,

01:18:24.320 let me,

01:18:24.360 let me,

01:18:28.400 I mean,

01:18:29.240 even if I just go to AI,

01:18:30.320 it says you're wrong.

01:18:31.320 Well,

01:18:32.040 see,

01:18:33.760 see,

01:18:33.960 this is why I feel that sources are necessary because you just talk out of

01:18:37.320 your ass.

01:18:37.940 I do not talk out of my ass,

01:18:39.840 but hold on.

01:18:40.840 I'll get,

01:18:41.400 I'll get it for you.

01:18:42.360 Just give me a second.

01:18:43.700 It's like,

01:18:45.320 hold on one second.

01:18:47.220 Okay.

01:18:47.340 Okay.

01:18:47.400 Okay.

01:18:47.460 Okay.

01:18:51.360 So the other thing I'll bring it,

01:18:58.680 just give me a second.

01:18:59.640 They're getting it for me.

01:19:01.480 All right.

01:19:02.160 So the other thing I was going to go on,

01:19:07.000 let me unmute you.

01:19:12.760 And they're old.

01:19:13.820 What do you think about,

01:19:17.900 I was actually going to ask you this as a feminist.

01:19:20.340 What do you think about the lack of men's shelters in the United States,

01:19:23.720 even though men are 70% of the homeless?

01:19:27.180 Would you be for pushing more men's shelters?

01:19:30.380 I think when we look at shelters,

01:19:34.760 we're talking primarily about DV shelters,

01:19:36.900 because men do have access to shelters when it comes to being unhoused.

01:19:41.600 Sorry.

01:19:42.140 Say that one more time.

01:19:43.940 I think when we're talking about shelters that are gendered,

01:19:47.180 those are DV shelters.

01:19:48.400 Yes.

01:19:48.960 Because when men are unhoused,

01:19:50.320 they do have access to shelters,

01:19:51.940 but DV shelters are specifically geared towards women,

01:19:55.300 because women are more likely to die in DV situations.

01:19:59.900 Okay.

01:20:00.540 But would you be for equal 50-50 women having the men having domestic

01:20:06.460 violence shelters too?

01:20:07.840 Because still one of them.

01:20:08.660 I just don't think there's a need for men because if men experience

01:20:11.720 domestic violence,

01:20:12.720 they aren't unalived by it.

01:20:14.240 That's why women need domestic violence shelters.

01:20:16.480 Yeah,

01:20:16.700 but you don't think they still should have support?

01:20:20.160 No.

01:20:20.720 I'm saying there's no utility in it.

01:20:22.960 I think they should obviously have support.

01:20:26.200 But again,

01:20:27.000 I think shelters are like an event,

01:20:29.000 an effect of capitalism because we manufacture scarcity when it comes to

01:20:33.940 housing.

01:20:35.260 What about gender roles?

01:20:36.920 What do you think of that?

01:20:38.980 In what capacity?

01:20:40.080 That was one of the topics you brought up.

01:20:42.860 So I was curious what your thoughts were.

01:20:44.780 Right.

01:20:44.940 In what capacity do you want to talk about it?

01:20:48.380 That was one of the topics you brought up.

01:20:50.640 So you were the one who brought,

01:20:52.380 wanted to talk about it.

01:20:53.580 So the floor is yours.

01:20:56.180 I'm sorry.

01:20:56.940 What'd you say?

01:20:59.260 The floor is yours.

01:21:01.820 You said...

01:21:02.760 I don't know what you want to talk about in terms of gender roles.

01:21:05.100 That was one of the topics you brought up.

01:21:06.900 I think gender roles ultimately don't serve any utility and uphold patriarchy.

01:21:16.800 Say that one more time.

01:21:17.900 I ultimately think that typically gender roles do not serve utility and uphold patriarchy.

01:21:26.320 Okay.

01:21:27.440 Can you tell me what that means in like layman's terms?

01:21:30.860 So if I do the dishes, that upholds...

01:21:33.300 I don't think there's a function for gender roles.

01:21:35.640 Okay.

01:21:36.060 And I think they uphold male supremacy and domination.

01:21:38.980 By like doing the dishes or what?

01:21:43.260 So if we're going to talk about labor within the households,

01:21:46.520 we can view like feminized labor is typically labor that is daily and requires more time investment.

01:21:52.780 Like doing the dishes, doing the laundry, grocery shopping, meal planning.

01:21:58.520 Those are constant tasks and require a lot of investment.

01:22:02.160 Where if we look at tasks that are more masculinized,

01:22:06.180 this is like repairs around the house, car repair, and lawn care, which is sporadic and seasonal.

01:22:11.780 So women have more obligation when it comes to the labor provided within the home.

01:22:19.400 Yeah.

01:22:20.160 I think that lawn care is harder than doing the dishes.

01:22:24.100 And they kind of automate a lot of...

01:22:25.760 Mowing the lawn is really easy.

01:22:27.960 Okay.

01:22:28.680 Well, I would say it's easier to do the dishwasher personally.

01:22:34.180 They've automated a lot of our stuff with Roombas.

01:22:36.980 Because I think it's kind of silly to say that it upholds patriarchy.

01:22:42.100 So that would be my two cents.

01:22:45.000 Well, that's just one aspect of it.

01:22:47.940 But yes, it puts women to providing more labor than men within the domestic households,

01:22:54.460 which is one of the benefits and reasons I think men want to get married

01:22:58.040 is because they have access to a domestic slave.

01:23:01.780 Sorry.

01:23:02.260 God, why do you think so little of men?

01:23:08.440 That's just a crazy thing to say.

01:23:10.440 Because I'm not impressed by men.

01:23:13.240 Like, what do you mean?

01:23:15.520 No, it's just...

01:23:16.160 I don't know why I would think highly of my oppressor.

01:23:19.940 Did something happen to you?

01:23:22.000 Like, what did men do?

01:23:24.000 I don't know.

01:23:24.380 Did something happen to you, Pearl, where you're up their ass?

01:23:27.040 No, it's just...

01:23:29.700 You just have such a vitriol towards men, and I don't really get it.

01:23:33.280 Because it's just kind of...

01:23:35.220 Would you say that it's valid for Jewish people to have vitriol to Nazis?

01:23:41.860 You think that men are the equivalent of Nazis?

01:23:44.120 I'm asking you.

01:23:44.940 Is that a yes or a no?

01:23:47.320 I want to ask, do you think men are the equivalent of Nazis?

01:23:50.780 Oh, my God.

01:23:51.640 Oh, my God.

01:23:57.040 Hold on one second.

01:24:03.780 Answer my question.

01:24:06.320 Sorry.

01:24:06.860 I just think it's a stupid question.

01:24:09.340 Well, answer it.

01:24:10.520 I don't have to.

01:24:12.960 Then I'm not going to answer yours.

01:24:14.340 What's the point?

01:24:15.340 All right.

01:24:19.080 Why is it a stupid question?

01:24:20.940 Oh, my God.

01:24:22.080 It just never ends.

01:24:24.160 Well, Pearl, if you're going to say things, I don't know...

01:24:26.540 Oh, the nagging.

01:24:30.020 All right.

01:24:42.460 Oh, my gosh.

01:24:45.260 I'm going to get you guys the stat.

01:24:47.100 Give me a second.

01:24:48.260 Give me a second.

01:24:48.940 Give me a second.

01:24:51.020 Oh.

01:24:56.540 I'm just sorry.

01:24:59.100 The equivalent of men to Hitler is just...

01:25:04.320 I would not say...

01:25:05.440 I would say that's a false equivalency.

01:25:08.040 I don't really think that's the same.

01:25:10.640 How is it a false equivalency?

01:25:13.500 Oh, my God.

01:25:14.880 This is what they do.

01:25:16.140 They just ask you to do...

01:25:19.200 All right.

01:25:19.680 Hold on.

01:25:20.240 Hold on.

01:25:20.280 Hold on.

01:25:20.320 Hold on.

01:25:20.360 Hold on.

01:25:22.280 Hold on.

01:25:24.280 Hold on.

01:25:26.740 Hold on.

01:25:27.000 Hold on.

01:25:37.400 Hold on.

01:25:49.980 Hold on.

01:25:53.940 Hold on.

01:25:54.360 Hold on.

01:25:54.800 Hold on.

01:25:56.420 it's interesting you think men should get married when you compare them to hitler

01:26:20.480 sorry still waiting on the false equivalency

01:26:26.940 would you like me to clarify sure go ahead uh would you say that um nazis were oppressors

01:26:38.520 all right i'm gonna yeah probably probably okay would you say that the jew that jewish people

01:26:49.240 were the oppressed probably okay so so that's the analogy that i'm making yeah is that men are the

01:26:57.300 oppressors and women are the oppressed what so if in one case it's okay for the oppressed for the

01:27:04.120 oppressed persons to have vitriol towards the people that are oppressing them why is it okay

01:27:10.200 in one context and not in another what more do you want men to do for you stop oppressing us okay so

01:27:17.580 how are they like just can we do day-to-day examples so if i wake up how am i oppressed by men

01:27:24.200 uh like this we went over this within the uh like intro to your show okay uh sexual violence

01:27:34.660 is gender-based violence towards women um you name any system under capitalism there are

01:27:40.580 disproportionate outcomes for women okay but whether that's the job market whether that is housing

01:27:45.560 whether that is health care okay is there anything stopping me from going to the police

01:27:50.040 if i if i get assaulted uh yeah okay your safety your safety number one and number two i'm sorry i

01:28:00.820 don't know why i went on what is what would what would stop it your your safety as well as the how am i

01:28:08.780 not wait wait no no i need to i need to break it down how am i not safe by going to the police and

01:28:15.360 reporting a crime because if they don't arrest your assailant your assailant can harm you again

01:28:20.940 because you've pissed them off even if they go like let's say it's a domestic violence situation

01:28:27.040 and let's say the police go and arrest him he makes bail he can go back to your house and now

01:28:33.120 you've just pissed him off okay let's say that they come to the house and they don't arrest him

01:28:39.100 okay now you've also pissed him off okay but they also could arrest him too if you have the evidence

01:28:45.020 right okay right but i also said he can be he could be processed and then he could be bailed out

01:28:51.960 and he would still have access to you what is stopping me from studying stem and going into stem

01:28:56.980 there's nothing stopping you from studying it if we're going to talk about women's upward mobility

01:29:03.200 and male-dominated industries i think that is the big issue is that women are not often promoted or

01:29:09.400 find any progression within their careers when they are male-dominated because men would rather hire men

01:29:14.680 right but why do you equate that to the hiring process and not the output of work

01:29:22.740 what do you mean when they're already hired like why they just don't experience any upward mobility

01:29:30.040 even if they are more competent and capable because men would rather hire other men

01:29:34.360 right but i'm saying why do you assume it's because they want to hire other men and not because men do a

01:29:40.480 better job i mean women work less hours on average so i mean if you do it depends on your familial

01:29:46.860 status okay but no typically men and women are working the same amount of paid hours especially if

01:29:54.500 they're both single non-average it's like 18 hours less a month no not on average yeah that's true

01:30:03.100 where are we going doug's putting the source in the chat

01:30:17.740 okay i'm sorry is that our zoom chat no no in the youtube chat yeah i don't i don't have that

01:30:28.640 it's coming just put it in the put it in the zoom chat that would be helpful okay

01:30:33.520 okay well i think that's all i got for you today okay all right thanks for coming kenzie

01:30:45.380 you're welcome do better read more all right i was just kind of i was just kind of tired to be honest

01:30:58.640 all right well

01:30:59.600 well guys thanks for watching we'll bring her we'll do something another day

01:31:09.360 like the video subscribe we'll see you next time

JustPearlyThings - September 26, 2025

Feminist Ms. Kenzie Joins Pearl Daily For A Debate ｜ The Sitdown

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