Finally, SHE UNDERSTANDS Men's Struggle
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In this episode, we discuss child support and why it should be taken away from men who do not pay child support for their children. Is it fair for a woman to ask for child support from a man if she wants to leave him?
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in here not the actual not because if we if we're like okay you need to get a job don't get his
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money but the child isn't affected in that so it's not the it's not the woman or the man maybe
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she should think about that before she leaves him i'm not i'm not i'm not favoring any one of them
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yeah i'm just talking about the child because he the child is affected yeah so so so to me if you
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took away child support it would take away the incentive for women to leave because now they're
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rewarded for leaving but that depends on each case though because some cases the guy leaves
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20 i wouldn't say i'm i wouldn't go through proportions i wouldn't i wouldn't go through
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data i'm just talking about each different societies right and but what i'm saying is that i don't think
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he should just leave for no reason too i think people are really not careful nowadays when it
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comes to like having children how do you know that you know the money is solely being used for the
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child that's you don't and that's a lot of the reason why a lot of men don't want to pay the
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money bro because they're like hold on i'm not paying nine grand a month child support it's like
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yo what kind of food you eating in the house especially when she has another man in the house
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but you're still paying like that's that's but that's your child at the end of the day like
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it's your child you wouldn't ask another man to pay for the child right so so you should get a job
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and try to take care of her of course no no i'm not i'm not favoring any one of them i'm just saying
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that because the child is affected here we should be thinking about what's better for the child
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if she's earning more than him i wouldn't say that the guy should give uh child support i would say
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she should be doing that she should be taking care of her i'm not talking i'm not favoring any of any
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one of them and i know it's wrong to ask men for child support if she has if she left or if she has
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done it by herself and vice versa if she left if he left she shouldn't be like taking full responsibility
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of the child because it was his mistake too you know it's just like a matter of accountability as
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you said it's it's that don't you think it's accountability for choosing the right partner
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exactly oh definitely right so so what i'm saying is if you take away child support people child
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support people have to face the consequences for their actions immediately so if you're going to
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pick a reckless husband that's going to leave you for a younger model in 10 years you'll face the
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consequence 100 if you're going to leave him and take half like you can't take half anymore so if
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you want to leave you have to really think about it and to me to me this would put the child's best
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interests at heart because that's there are more consequences for leaving and and a child is at
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risk if there's one parent in the home that's why i'm saying that we're thinking selflessly here
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like selfishly here because we don't think about the child we're thinking about individual interest well
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i'm thinking about the child because it like from my point of view if you take away child support more
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families would stay together because there's less of an incentive to leave and you're going to have
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less women trying to catch a check by getting a baby off of a man i believe if a person is selfish
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it's regardless though even if it's a man or a woman when you say when you say women do you think
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women would steal condoms from drake no i'm serious like like because remember when we see
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celebrities that's the extreme but that means in society women are doing this just at a smaller rate
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so there are girls trying to catch kids from rich guys all the time i understand because they know
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about child support yeah i know i know that of course there are people who would use that for
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their own advantage i'm just saying here if if we actually think about child's interest then there
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should be child support because they're the only ones affected here so how how does that benefit the
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child when you don't know if the mother is going to spend it on the child yeah of course that's what i'm
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saying it's it's it's still selfish because if she's asking for child support and we're not even
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seeing what's the financial status it's selfish itself it's it's unfair on the guy because we're
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asking for something extra from him right but it should it should be equal it somehow because if she's
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earning more than him she should be taking care of the child and vice versa so if it's 50 50 custody
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why is she entitled to his money if he makes more yeah fair enough yeah exactly no i was going to say
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that this is what's going to happen it should have measures in place so that we know the money's
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being spent on the child yeah yeah exactly there should be mentioned so it's not it's the fault is
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not on the cancer crisis the fault is maybe we need to keep a check on that but it is because if there
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were consequences to it you wouldn't do it so if i thought but we know we know the consequences
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couldn't couldn't the man just spend the money on the child and not get the government involved like
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why does he need the government a lot of men wouldn't do that because i can only talk i can only talk
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from my community a lot of men won't do that yeah i'm talking i'm talking bro my dad did my dad paid
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for everything but i'm sure growing up in the block you know a bag of man that don't know their dad
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yeah but that's different but that's different if you don't know your dad in it but i'm saying yeah
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like there's men that are involved want to see their kids ain't allowed to see their kids but this
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is why i say it depends you know women are taking money from them and tell them they can't see their
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kids but you have to look at what behavior does this incentivize this incentivizes women to pick
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bad men and know that even even if they're shitty dads they can still get bailed out
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yeah because it goes back on accountability exactly yeah but that's what i'm saying i'm saying child
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support takes away accountability from women because even in this example right where he has to spend
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it on the kid that's saying to the woman you can pick a shitty partner and you still get bailed out
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there's a trade there's a trader for every consequence really what you're debating is
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being a conservative uh or being someone who's in support of a more leftist support of the welfare
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state is that not what you're debating because there's going to be a trade-off there's going to
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be a good and bad that happens to whichever route you take bro is whichever you see as more of the
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problem i'm debating consequences yeah that's what i'm talking about consequences for women that's the
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whole part of this conversation so if a woman falls pregnant who bears more the responsibilities of the
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man or the woman financially in general who bears more the responsibility of that lack of pregnancy of
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what comes after the the woman obviously she's the one that's gonna have the pregnancy and so in that
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so in that case if they took away something like child support wouldn't that there wouldn't it be a
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bigger impetus to make a better decision on who you fall pregnant for or you have sex with or bust
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it open for in general i would say as a man though you need to be careful with your plan yeah so wait
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i'll go wait wait let me let so i always advocate that men need to have discipline yeah but at the same
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time a man can just walk up and leave so which means that regardless of whether you want to be a
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principled man or not you don't have to be you're doing that because it's morally right yeah so but for
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you as a woman do consequences are stuck if you go through postnatal depression your body changes
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you're not talking about baby no no you have no consequence if you don't want one you can get an
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abortion yeah and if you if you get pregnant if you get if you get if you get i hate that argument if you
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get pregnant no if you get pregnant it's a choice you you made that you made it because two people
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had that choice though i think i think okay okay okay okay okay you have you have you have you have an iud you
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get an iud what percent chance do you have of getting pregnant and don't don't please don't bring up the
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exception it's going to irritate me what they're talking about an iud
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if you have an iud coil a coil no no an iud is i don't want to explain this i don't want to explain
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this i don't know the coil or the implant yeah that's the coil what they call it here yeah
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oh the coil okay okay okay if you if you get a coil what percent chance do you have of getting pregnant
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oh i said yeah it's maybe less than one percent so if you choose to sleep with men that would be poor
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fathers like that that was a choice okay so you made that first choice and then let's say
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you do that and you get pregnant yeah you can get an abortion but i'm talking about what about the
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man that decided to have sex with a woman without a condom does he not have any responsibility to the
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child yeah it should be equal so what i'm saying what i'm saying is the women the woman is in charge
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of birth yeah so if a woman gets pregnant she gets to decide if she gives birth if i get pregnant with
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a guy and i don't want to have the kid and he he's begging me not to get an abortion he has no say
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yes yeah so what i'm saying because of that women are in charge of birth yeah but before that
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the point that i was making was that choice that they have is not as simple as i'm just going to
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have an abortion because that's their body okay but it's not that but it wasn't it was there are
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mental ramifications for doing that i agree physical ramifications so she may just be like i'm i can't do
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it but what i'm saying is it's a layer of choices so the girl could get an iud she could also be on
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the no listen listen so she could also wait so she could get an iud she could also be on the pill
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she could also get a plan b she could also require that the men she sleeps with wear a condom
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yeah exactly and and and she and if and if that doesn't work out she can get an abortion so there
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are five layers that she can pick where the men only have one and the condom can get stolen or it
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can break so the women have five layers of protection the men have one therefore there is
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more responsibility on the women if you get pregnant that was a choice and it wasn't just one choice it was
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five choices but also women who have a lot of girls will have sex with a man who they know doesn't
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want to be a dad and still keep the child which is fair enough because they know they're going to
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get money bro but if you don't want to be a dad should you not be like i'm going to wear a condom
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but this is what i'm saying but that's why he just said it was fair enough choices that you just
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listed but that's why i said all of them have really hormonal effects on a woman condom and a condom
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the coil doesn't you're 100 right but i know a lot of girls that say oh i don't i don't like
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when men wear condoms i have a question for the men i have a question for the men what percentage
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of girls make you wear condoms um i make myself wear them okay okay but if it wasn't if it wasn't
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up to you let's say no but a lot of women okay no let's say let's say it was 100 up to the woman okay
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what percent of women make you wear condoms i'm gonna be real yeah most of them
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like they don't say nothing to me like i just draw for it they don't say nothing to me they're
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happy to just do whatever so they'll do whatever you say what percent of girls i don't even know
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to be honest um i don't know to be honest you know i wouldn't say i don't think
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i think you know the numbers maybe what 20 percent 20 percent of girls if i was on the streets
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if you're okay okay hypothetically okay what about you guys 10 10 percent
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10 percent i say it's about one percent okay okay so so the highest the highest percentage
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we have right here is 20 and these are these are five guys that's one in five yeah one and
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that's not a high number so should they not be taking accountability for if they're going
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to reproduce but the whole the whole point the whole point is that a man can make a choice
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okay he he could be super careful like drake was and he could still get the condom stolen
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i'm saying women have five layers of choices they can make i hear that and the point is that
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women don't face consequences for bad decisions for example they can steal the condom and that's
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not illegal yeah yeah but yeah if you put a hole in the condom you're going to be yeah
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yeah there's whole reddit threads of girls trying to get pregnant by their boyfriends
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yeah and so if we go back to the homosexual like how many of that is taking place to you
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actually just looking after your penis and putting on a condom if you do not want okay
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but what if what if if she if she pokes holes in the condom and what but also there's certain
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women that said to me there's certain girls that said to me they don't like condoms they're
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not like well if i didn't want to have a child with her then i would be like i am not sleeping
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with you yeah you should be taking that's a woman talking that's a woman talking that man is
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talking yeah guys guys and if you're gonna be a father hold up guys hold on no but i'm saying so
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if we have five layers of account how can you not say it's more on the women when i just listed
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five layers of accountability the man can do one it could break right and then he has no control
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over anything yeah and then it would go onto the woman right but i'm saying it's how can you not
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say it's more on the women when i just listed five different ways i didn't i didn't go into
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more on i said it's both people have a responsibility when you're having sex that after this if a
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pregnancy occurs and a baby comes along that you are accountable for bringing up that child i would
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say i would say it's like 80 90 on the woman because she has five layers of accountability the
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dude has one the way and and we and we control we control access to sex men control access to
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relationships we we get to pick who who goes inside of us so if you're not picking good man
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like i don't feel bad for you if you end up a single mom but then that could be the same for
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the guy though so if you're left of a baby mother that is now taking all of your money should you not
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have been accountable for not busting i do feel bad for them because i don't think that's fair i think
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you should face the consequences of your actions that is most most men want to take care of their kids
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but also the problem with your stance is the fact that even if i want the child i can't keep it if
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i don't want it i can't opt out of paying for it yeah and so either way you lose because the child
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was because the equal level of accountability would be if women control access to sex it'd be like if
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you get pregnant it's your fault the equal accountability for a man would be if you pick
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the wrong woman and she does a madness you have to take accountability that you pick the wrong one and
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many people do like oh finesse a nigga and then oh can i say that on here finesse a nigga take the
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bag and then run off like women are celebrated for doing that done big facts that's what i'm saying
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you think women are celebrating but here's the thing i don't think it's equal because men face
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consequences women don't they don't because the consequences would be having to raise their child
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on your own but most of the time they're getting financial help and that's what she's saying they're
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still like my man said about the glass ceiling and then um you know the cushion bro they've always
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got a cushion that i'm saying the same way they're not out on the street sleeping yeah like they're not
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there not getting no money they'll get money from the state or they get money for the dad or both
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you know like that time okay sorry time energy put into raising the child you're going on like
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raising another human being but you made that choice that's the whole point is that not their
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responsibility he said there was no ramifications for that but now you're saying that you get all
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like oh but i have to put on my time and they get custody and they get they also get custody which
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is another point where they're not held accountable 79 percent of the time people have ramifications
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for the act so you're saying that the financial strain on a man is more so than a woman bringing
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up another human being because it's not just you bringing up the human being you're taking his
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finances for your own finances yeah and his kid and his kid and his kid because he doesn't get
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custody the majority of the time there are men who have committed suicide because they're so
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frustrated with the justice system because it's not most of the time though no 80 of the time the
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women gets custody no no that is most of the time they still have access to their children it's not
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most of the time no i've had this is common i've had multiple men come on this podcast and on the
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show where they said the mother of my child wouldn't let me see my child for the first year after we
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broke up because she was being spiteful 100 percent that's that's common that's happened to someone
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close to me bro he has to email his baby mom to see his daughter you know email you know i'm saying
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and women don't face consequences for doing that i think if you're if you're keeping your kid from
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the father of his of their children and he's not abusive there's nothing wrong with it like
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no i agree they're not in danger you should face jail time because you're putting your kid at risk
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i don't know about jail time but i agree with you there was a woman in america who took her son to
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japan for two years the dad didn't see him then she comes back to america the father divorce and he
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still has to pay child support and because he hasn't spent time with the child for two years
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he now has to pay the full the full world in the time that she was away and and there's a there's a
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a guy a kid who was 15 he got pregnant by a 35 year old when he turned 18 he had to pay child
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support wow hey it's mad you know i think even sorry garvey he's a baby mom made him pay to see
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his kid one time yeah i've heard of his story yeah and he's still not like he's he's all hectic
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sometimes it's not like i don't have family members that this is a common story this is the point this is
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common it is but then there's also the other side of there's lots of people who are effectively
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co-parenting and the money that they're getting in is very small and it isn't enough to actually
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bring up a child there's that too that's probably because between the two of them they ain't got
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money but then boy if you're broke now i have kids but i think also when you when you the initial
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question was about you know if i'm start earning speaking about if i start earning a lot of money
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should um how much i'm paying be increased because of it so let's say if i'm if i'm a millionaire
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and then she's on 100 000 or something should i start paying more because of it i don't think
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that should be the case no i think it should be on the individual parent the father or the mother
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i am going to contribute to my child because i want the best for them i was but what if i'm still
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paying for school fees but then i still have to pay for um 50 to the woman if they're married
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there are two different things though you're talking about alimony and you're talking about
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child support they're very different true so i i don't agree with alimony in any way
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shape or form if you get into a relationship with somebody and you two separate it should
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be that if the person was earning more than you man or woman you go your separate ways because
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the relationship is done child support is about rearing the child that's very different you should
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have an obligation because you want your child if it's about rearing the child why do the majority
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of the fees go to the state for for child support when they go to court they make money off of it
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i i i don't know that in the uk i'm not sure i don't think that's happened actually i don't
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know about the uk uk that doesn't happen it means tested are you sure usually it's not a lot of money
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you have to look up on the ipad but the whole thing's mad everyone's talking about what's best
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for the child what's best for the child you keep you keep your ass in the house and you stay
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together like yeah you know what i'm saying do you know what i mean because the point is yeah if
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you're talking about what's best for the child yeah if 80 of women are leaving just stay in it
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like you hear this argument with a lot of women now these days saying oh yeah like
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our grandparents yeah they stayed in the house and they weren't happy and that yeah but you had
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a better upbringing because you had two parents in the house you had two incomes do you know i mean
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even if gandad was out there doing the mad thing bruv like you still got you still have food on your
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plate because they realized the grass wasn't always green on the other that's right it's even just
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sometimes how do you know that well the women were more accountable no it's not it's not the women
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faced consequences yeah exactly because they didn't they couldn't fall back on what they can fall back on
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no that's when you see the divorce rate increase when there's no fault divorce
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like women women faced consequences back then it's like what we were saying before about shame you
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know if you're shaking it's like we were saying before about shame if you're ashamed for certain
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things you won't do it or you might change your behavior because of it but because if someone's
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you're somewhat incentivized incentivized to leave you will yeah i i would say that as many of you know
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