Hafeez Tries to DEBUNK the red pill
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the importance of accountability when it comes to data and statistics, and the role of the "school of thought" in shaping our world views and beliefs. In this episode we discuss: Why is it important to be accountable when sharing statistics and numbers? What does it mean to be a "data bearer" in the world of the school of thought How can we ensure we are communicating the truth when we communicate numbers that may or may not be true?
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an example felons have 30 more children than non-felons i love it yeah so i don't i don't
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so you just threw out a number yeah i've never heard that you yeah i you have nothing to back
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it up so another example is i'm sorry we got we got to stop there what happens in this community
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what happens with with the people who have the school of thought they'll throw out numbers
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where did that where did that stat come from where did it come from where did it come from
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off the top of my head i don't know but it's easy to google i know like if you google it it's like
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at the top it's easy to google right but the reality of the matter is when people are sharing
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their statistics and numbers a lot of times they don't know they can't even tell you the primary
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source so because it's like off the top of your head you're not going to know why should i believe
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you why should i believe you yeah okay but if i'm saying if i if i got you the stat i could look it
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up now i know you could look yeah you can take your time we could pause yeah you can look it up but my
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point is that a lot of times in this community they'll throw statistics and data at you you're
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not you don't have you're not privy to the system data yeah some of it is true some of it is false
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right i can go with some of the truths and false as well and so because you're not able to simply
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look things up you're in a conversation where you're like okay i'm gonna give this person the benefit of
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the doubt but but if the data is simply skewed by sheer numbers it can totally um this um dispel
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whether this person's communicating the truth or not yeah but it's easy to just like google it i know but
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what i'm saying is listen carefully if you and i are having a podcast conversation and you have 15
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data points that justify your world view but you don't know the source you know the primary
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secondary source we could stop this episode and every time you pull up numbers i could we could look
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at you can look them up you can pull them up you can show it to me but that's going to take too long
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so usually in conversations like this they don't you're not able to do so so therefore what you're
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forced to do in these conversations is whenever someone gives you a statistic the individuals call
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to believe it and i've seen that happen myself because i'm a data person as well you've consumed
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my content so you know some of it i'm a data person myself so when i share data there's times where i
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was like oh well that number was wrong but because we're in the middle of a conversation people simply
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believe me yeah and so to me which is fine then you just update it i know but yeah but in the midst of
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the conversation when we're having these conversations and when we're sharing all these data
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a lot of people will spew data and numbers that they don't even they don't it could be truly false
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i understand sometimes misinformation happens 100 and it's not perfect i'm not saying you're trying
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to deceive me yeah but what i'm saying is that there has to be a level of accountability when we're
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saying this is the truth so for one of the things that i've been improving on in regards to my speech
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is that if i share a number if i really don't know the primary source or am i willing to pull up
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immediately right i'll say well you know what i think this is the number or i'm not sure this is
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another but what happens is when you say 110 this is true the divorce rate in america is 50 it is true
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and then you share these explicit narratives and then when you simply analyze them and break them down
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you realize that's not the case yeah but then then you switch it but i don't think it's wrong to just
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say a number it's nothing wrong and then and then and then and then i look it up and it's right like
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i've looked that up before that's not what i i think you're getting lost you're getting lost in the
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specific point i'm talking about the meta point the meta point is that when people are communicating
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statistics the audience has is totally dependent upon the orator and and if that person says i am the
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bearer of the truth a lot of times in the midst of a conversation a lot of people communicate numbers
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that may or may not be true yeah so my biggest thing is that when a lot of these individuals
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are communicating numbers i'm the kind of person where i'm like hey let's stop let's analyze them
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and let's see whether they're true or not is there a common talking point that isn't true that you're
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thinking of i think one of the biggest conversations that is not discussed is how marriage has changed
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from the 90s till today okay if you if you if you look up the marriage the divorce rates divorce rates
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have been decreasing from the 1990s until today a lot of different studies and a lot of different
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analyzation a lot of different so are you listening are you trying to talk uh-huh i'm curious i'm
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listening because you kind of seem like you just you're waiting for me to stop talking so you can say
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something uh-huh no i'm listening god are you sure yeah mostly go ahead okay so in regards to the
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divorce numbers a lot of the divorce numbers that are communicated today they're not all those are a lot of
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of all previous numbers and when you're factoring into the trends that are leading to the lowering
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of divorce rates as well as all the different cross-cultural analysis of divorces it's a lot
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that can be learned about divorces so in regards to the western world a lot of the divorces having
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issues they're 100 right but we have to communicate well here's the reality the divorce rate has been
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going down and why has the divorce rate been going down and the reason why the divorce rate is going
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down is because we've we've learned a lot of different things about marriage about divorce about why
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did the divorce rate skyrocket skyrocket initially in 1970s to begin with and so there's a lot of
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when you hear a number statistics are great under the broad scope of a conversation but when you're
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really trying to dive deeper into what's going on in today's society statistics tell you a story
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right so once you understand the story behind the number then you can understand why the number is
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practical so in my question is so when so one of the biggest things that we've worked on is that if
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we're going to give a number we want to also tell the story behind a number and how is that beneficial
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to improving the lives of people today and so to me that's one of my different different points of
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view is that if you're simply holding on to any world view and the world views communicating certain
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things that may or not be true or may not be painting the whole picture is this for the purpose
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of benefiting society or is it for the purpose of perpetuating a narrative wouldn't wouldn't you say
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that the divorce rates going down because people aren't getting married as much so think about it right this
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let's let's talk about divorce rate is by percentage so let's do some numbers because you seem like a
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very analytical girl logical girl let's talk about some numbers thank you so if the system of marriage
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is broken right and a thousand people get married oh i see the rate would still be i see okay so let's
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do it for the people right remember the red pill argument is the system is broken so that means
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anyone who engages in this institution whether or not you do it it's broken it's not going to work
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it's going to lead to a 50 divorce rate so if a thousand people get get married therefore it
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should be 50 divorce rate but then if 900 people get divorced and 10 years later instead of the thousand
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10 years ago now 900 people get married and that divorce rate is 40 not 50 where it was before the
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question i must be asked is these 100 people why did that number change if the system was broken and
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therefore whether you what is a thousand nine hundred eight hundred twelve hundred eleven hundred it
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should be the same thing but if the number went down but then the divorce rate decreased by percentage
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why did it go down who was not getting married and how would it contribute to the increase of divorce
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rates in the past and that's why i said the numbers will tell you a story and if you don't know the
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full story you don't know how the number is relevant to the lives of everything as many of you know i was just
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