JustPearlyThings - Heated Debate Between PRO-LIFE And PRO CHOICE

00:00:00.000 that develops along the way I think heart starts beating we know it as early as even

00:00:03.400 three weeks we now believe from from recent research at 15 weeks maybe even

00:00:08.980 before then they can already feel pain I just think that through a little bit

00:00:11.880 logically for are you are you a human if you don't have a sex yet are you what

00:00:15.720 would you be classed as if you don't have a sex because you don't you don't

00:00:21.840 find out the sex of your child until you're 25 weeks the mum doesn't but the

00:00:25.800 the child actually has its sex right from the start so it depends on its

00:00:28.980 chromosomes if it has xx or xy so right from the moment that human being

00:00:33.000 comes into formation it's already there's no human it's not a human being there's

00:00:40.680 a unique DNA code that's created that's different from the mom and the dads from

00:00:44.240 conception yeah that and like in that code they can say their eye color their

00:00:47.800 hair color their height that's fine but that's all just cells it's not an actual

00:00:51.340 human being yet to the same extent I'm I'm also cells I mean we're all cells we're

00:00:55.740 all cells but we're also we're now human beings right understand well I think

00:00:59.760 we're adults I think that's the distinction we're making no because a

00:01:03.500 plant is also alive but a plant is still a plant a baby is alive but it hasn't been

00:01:08.620 born yet and it also has an experience and like it has an experience like quite

00:01:12.300 simple it hasn't been born it's not left the mother is still inside of the

00:01:16.320 mother's body it's a part of the mother it's it's breathing and eating and

00:01:21.240 getting everything from the mother if the mother dies the child will die right

00:01:25.060 yeah so to a certain extent if the child's already a certain amount of

00:01:29.220 weeks I have heard in some cases historically that the child can be born

00:01:34.480 certainly if the mother has died life if it's not really far along but what I'm

00:01:38.480 saying is you know in in terms of aborting at three to four months which is

00:01:41.820 something that I agree with you know the child the baby or the embryo whatever it

00:01:47.180 is correct terminology is fully reliant on that and it's still part of the

00:01:51.800 mother's body right so let's explore that a little bit more so we've got it

00:01:54.620 hasn't had experiences and it still relies on its mother and those are the two

00:01:58.260 things that we know that's not what I'm saying because we some people rely on

00:02:01.240 their mother to death and you know some you know some people don't have a

00:02:04.820 lot of experience because she's trying to summarize my what I'm trying to say

00:02:09.420 and it's incorrectly how you summarized it yeah what I'm trying to say is to

00:02:12.840 you that we have to remember that the the embryo is not a baby and it's not a

00:02:18.540 human until a certain point that's not true okay go on King tell us all right

00:02:25.340 because you made a point you said a plant is a plant and whatever you said

00:02:30.840 about the humans that the embryo is not a human being yet but to come against

00:02:34.920 that point a seed is where the plants come from right you can't get a human

00:02:40.560 being from a seed and you can't get a plant from an embryo I can make a better

00:02:44.760 comparison if you would like go for it but can I just say can I do that to come

00:02:48.560 against your own point because you said I believe you said it's not murder because

00:02:55.080 the woman is ejecting the baby that's I can I can use an analogy the medicine is

00:03:00.240 inducing yes but I can use this analogy if if someone was hanging over this ledge

00:03:05.480 there and they were about to fall to their death and I ejected them I didn't

00:03:11.900 kill them I didn't shoot them in the head I didn't do anything by just pushed

00:03:15.020 the way that would be killing them why it's the same thing I'm ejecting them no it's

00:03:19.580 not your it's not yours it's not come from you and this is what we're trying to use

00:03:23.060 all of these examples then I can yeah if we're gonna use this whole my body my

00:03:27.360 choice yeah you can't keep using these if I'm a human being and I'm gonna push

00:03:31.240 another human being it's not the same no but when we don't use my body my choice

00:03:35.980 but you're okay with her using a comparison you're using a comparison to

00:03:38.860 plants but we can't use this comparison we're talking about being alive we're

00:03:43.060 talking about being alive and a plant is alive yeah you know a plant is still

00:03:47.220 alive you know we're cells we're all cells like you so is the person being

00:03:50.820 ejected off the building yeah yeah but that's a fair comparison than a plant no it's

00:03:55.900 not it's not you you what you have to understand is that when I said about the

00:03:59.420 plant I said that in regards to being a living organism yeah so an embryo human

00:04:06.080 being a cat a plant we're all living you know the experiences that we have is

00:04:11.060 different because with different types of living organisms yeah when you said

00:04:15.700 about at conception this is the point where it becomes a human being I

00:04:21.500 disagree with you personally because at that point it's just cells merging

00:04:25.740 creating what would be a human being but now now sorry King I'm not too sure when

00:04:31.320 it actually because I don't know about these things too deep I just have my

00:04:34.440 opinions however whenever that cell that embryo starts to form into a baby with a

00:04:40.700 heartbeat and starts to get organs like lungs and so forth and and limbs and so

00:04:45.840 forth I think there should be a certain point where the abortion doesn't become an

00:04:50.940 option I think that women need to and men or whoever's involved mainly the

00:04:54.520 women because I need to make these decisions fast you know you you have

00:05:00.520 these decisions firstly before you even sleep with the person but if it's still

00:05:04.060 too late you need to make these decisions quickly I'm gonna let King go ahead

00:05:07.960 but is a cell because you're conflating the your point is a cell a living

00:05:12.460 organism a cell is but it's not a human being is it a living organ I said it

00:05:16.480 already so how can you in the same breath say something is a living organism but it

00:05:19.900 can't be murdered because it's not a human being I didn't say that it can't be

00:05:24.060 murdered you're putting words in my mouth what I said what I said is a cell from the

00:05:29.600 young lady who's who said that I'm from conscious con from conception thank you from

00:05:34.800 conception it's a human being my whole my whole my whole my whole spill has been

00:05:39.420 because of that statement yeah but that's semantics live human being living in a guy

00:05:43.560 it's not semantics because when we're talking about abortion and killing a human being when

00:05:47.600 you're talking about killing a cell a cell because these are names of things so a

00:05:52.160 cell is a living organism right correct a human being is what also a living

00:05:56.000 organism exactly so but they're not the same it doesn't matter why because we're

00:06:01.340 talking about life we're not talking about whether it's a human life or a

00:06:03.860 plant like what about my life it's my life and then because you're

00:06:07.840 conflicting my life and then you're saying a cell is a living organism if you

00:06:12.880 cannot compare cell to a human being then that means you should be able to get a

00:06:15.720 plant out of a cell right I'm gonna come I'm gonna respond to you so a life is

00:06:20.820 not the same as a living organism or I don't know if I'm saying this right

00:06:24.720 correctly it's not that they're not they're not the same things yes but

00:06:28.500 you're conflicting things that actually don't matter whether you call it a life

00:06:31.860 or a living organism or a human being doesn't matter all these are just words

00:06:35.280 that we used to express ourselves further to develop further points to be

00:06:38.960 able to communicate better but the basis the basic ideology is that you can only get a

00:06:44.700 human being from the cells that are grown in a woman's womb they really get a

00:06:48.240 plant I get you and the reason why I do hold on to words is because it's words

00:06:52.860 which impact people's opinions so much when you're talking about killing human

00:06:56.800 beings it sounds savage and it sounds wrong yeah but that's not but that's not

00:07:02.920 what's happening with abortion at three three months in my opinion how do you know

00:07:06.540 because is it a human being and that's my argument when when it becomes a human

00:07:10.020 being that's when we're talking about that's a good question is like when is

00:07:12.900 it a human sorry I'm just southern well I'd love to give a medical so I'm a

00:07:16.140 medical doctor and we study this in medical school you know when does a

00:07:19.260 human being begin to exist when does an organism begin to exist we learn it

00:07:23.260 begins at conception there was no real debate about that it's only when you get

00:07:26.420 into the politics of abortion that people are like oh we don't know we don't

00:07:29.440 know when it's a life we don't know when it's a human being in it from a

00:07:32.700 medical perspective in medical school in my medical practice is very

00:07:35.940 obvious when I see a lady who's pregnant if she wants the baby she can be only

00:07:39.780 five weeks along you go on the NHS website it says you and your baby at

00:07:43.620 five weeks this is what it's like and so I think all of us readily accept in every

00:07:48.360 other context that this is a living human being I don't think anyone denies

00:07:52.500 that except when it comes to abortion because it's you know pro-choices need to

00:07:56.460 say it's not that because you know that the reality is is is difficult to

00:08:00.500 reconcile with the pro-choice view so there was even a survey of this a few years ago

00:08:04.380 of biologists this is a biological question right biology literally means

00:08:07.920 the study of life they studied 6,000 biologists around the world and they

00:08:12.940 said are you pro-life or pro-choice and half of them pro-life half of them

00:08:15.540 pro-choice probably more pro-choice and he said when does an individual member of

00:08:19.380 the human species begin to exist like what else could human being mean an

00:08:22.980 individual human organism of the species homo sapiens and 95% of them said

00:08:29.760 about fertilization we know that this is a human because it's homo sapiens it's

00:08:34.500 not any other species it's not a cat or a dog or a elephant we know that it's

00:08:38.580 living because it can die and we all know what it means when a baby dies in the

00:08:41.820 womb it's a living it's human what more does it need to be a human being it's got

00:08:47.760 everything that I've got I hear you it's not fully developed and I think that that

00:08:51.760 when we're looking at some of the reasons why women have abortions and some of

00:08:57.000 the conditions human beings that have been born are living in for me personally it makes

00:09:03.900 me understand why people why women are having abortions and it makes me think that makes

00:09:08.820 me be pro-choice yeah because if what you're saying is true I'm not disputing that scientifically

00:09:16.000 maybe so however in my opinion I still do believe that women should have a choice to

00:09:22.340 abort a child whether it's at home as long as it's safe or you know in a medical facility

00:09:27.920 up to a certain point do you know I mean yeah so I think you know we can obviously disagree about

00:09:33.720 and or agree about when abortion is okay but I think we can still agree on what this is that

00:09:38.940 we're talking about I don't think we need to sort of distort the reality and say it's not a human

00:09:42.420 being or something I'm not accusing you of deliberately doing that but I really think

00:09:46.020 you know we have to get these basic biological facts agreed upon because otherwise we're never

00:09:50.820 going to agree on anything and you know this is a baby from about 16 days the baby's heart begins

00:09:55.820 to pump blood around the body at six weeks it begins to hiccup and suck and swallow maybe seven weeks

00:10:00.840 from four to five weeks it's beginning to move by itself from about 10 weeks it can probably feel

00:10:05.900 pain and it's conscious there's all these things that develops very quickly but if you want to say

00:10:10.540 oh it's only a full human being when it's fully developed well science again shows us a human's brain

00:10:16.520 is not typically fully developed until they're 25 years old so some of you gen z people are not fully

00:10:21.520 developed I doubt even I am to be honest but you know we don't allow people to distinguish between

00:10:29.520 humans and say you're valuable you're not you have a right to life you're you don't on how developed

00:10:34.220 they are I'm more developed than some of you not because I'm more intelligent but because I'm just

00:10:38.300 older and you know heading towards death gradually that doesn't make me more of a human it doesn't give

00:10:43.520 me more of a right to life it just means I'm older but we are equal because we're equal human beings

00:10:48.020 and the pro-life view just says that's the same of every human being that we're all equal no matter

00:10:52.320 how developed no matter how big no matter how independent we are all human beings and therefore

00:10:57.140 we're all equal the mother and the baby and so the pro-lifer has to say the mother matters infinitely

00:11:02.100 the baby matters infinitely and we have to do our best to try and protect both um so I'm I don't find

00:11:08.520 the consciousness argument very compelling just for the record but I've never read anything that

00:11:12.900 suggests that there's consciousness at 10 weeks um at the earliest I've read is 20 weeks

JustPearlyThings - July 02, 2023

Heated Debate Between PRO-LIFE And PRO CHOICE

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