JustPearlyThings - Heated Debate On Andrew Tate Arrest @destiny

00:00:00.000 Well, nobody has claimed that there have been, besides their lawyers, nobody is challenging

00:00:03.520 any of the Romanian laws in European courts, because I don't think that there has been a

00:00:07.560 problem with how Romanian conducts its legal system in the European courts. When you try to

00:00:11.300 say that you could just say that I'm brainwashed and Pearl trafficked me, you could say that. If

00:00:16.260 you went through and you dug through our text messages and Pearl is saying, Stephen, come to

00:00:19.880 London, I want to marry you, please. And then I show up and she's like, you're going to suffer 0.97

00:00:23.540 through six of my shows now, and maybe we'll get married by the end. And also I'm going to, you

00:00:28.160 know, like, then you would have a case, you would have a foundation for it. But it's

00:00:31.040 not just a matter of, I'm saying you're brainwashed, therefore you are, therefore you were trafficked.

00:00:34.360 That's not equivalent at all here, right? What we're looking at is a pattern of Tate communicating

00:00:39.320 with girls, promising to marry them, getting into relations with them, and then bringing 0.98

00:00:42.140 them over, and then having them do sex work. That's what's being alleged here. And a victim 0.99

00:00:45.900 statement saying like, oh no, like, he really did love me and that's not what's happening.

00:00:49.620 That's not enough to overturn it. So if you wanted to make the comparison to me and Pearl, you

00:00:53.100 would have to find some crazy messages from her to me that I don't believe exist, that show 0.90

00:00:57.500 that she's promising me some kind of like relation or something that's getting me to fly out

00:01:00.680 here and do content. That's what would make it equivalent. The actual evidence, the actual

00:01:03.660 messages afterwards. When you keep saying here that the judge has said that there's not enough

00:01:08.420 evidence to convict, I don't believe the judge has made that statement. What the judge has

00:01:12.660 said is you do not require enough evidence for a conviction. You only need enough to bring

00:01:18.060 a charge forward. And the prosecution right now is in the final stages of their investigation

00:01:22.000 of doing that. Now you can say that they're holding him for whatever reason they want,

00:01:24.940 or they, you know, maybe they don't have the evidence and they're just bullshitting their

00:01:27.380 way through it. But if that's the case, they were already arrested in Romania before and

00:01:30.160 they weren't held for that long, right? Where they were already released. So it seems like

00:01:32.780 they do have some internal standard they're trying to meet to have a compelling amount

00:01:36.000 of evidence to lock them up and finish an investigation. And like I said, all we can do

00:01:39.440 is wait and see what the final results of that turn out to be. If it turns out to be that

00:01:42.840 they didn't collect anything compelling, then I imagine hopefully they release what they have

00:01:45.960 or whatever. We said there was enough and then they walk and then that's it. But if they do have

00:01:48.980 enough, then it moves forward to the trial stage. And I just don't know why you would ever feel confident enough

00:01:52.880 to say that evidence doesn't exist. They're not going to have it. There's no way. When things

00:01:56.060 are being leaked by the prosecution, like every two days, every, every new day we get something

00:01:59.620 else. I think, geez, shoot, I should have read this, but I'm pretty sure like two days ago,

00:02:02.580 there was literally just something new, um, that was released about a couple of the new victims

00:02:06.340 or one of the new victims that came forward. But I mean, new stuff is coming forward all the time.

00:02:10.340 Um, when you, can I finish my, okay, sorry. Um, you mentioned that 60. I also, I do think it's telling

00:02:15.900 that there's a weird, when I try to evaluate the Andrew Tate stuff, I'm not trying to do this weird,

00:02:20.300 like East versus West Islam, whatever. I'm just looking at the facts of the case. That's all I

00:02:24.180 generally care about. I think it's interesting that there are so many of these points you're

00:02:27.140 bringing up relating to like Western, Eastern, gynocentric, you know, females owning men. Uh, 0.64

00:02:32.040 you brought up that 60% versus 80% of who's winning custody cases. The claim that I made was that when

00:02:36.740 men fight for custody, they win 60% of the time. I believe that women win 80 to 90% of the time, 0.96

00:02:42.960 but that's because men usually don't fight for custody. But when they do fight for custody,

00:02:46.300 they tend to win 60% of the time. Those are the numbers that I'm familiar with. When you said that

00:02:50.020 laws favor men versus women, when it comes to divorcing, it just favors whoever's made most 1.00

00:02:54.340 of the money. And in this female dominated world, as women are earning more and more money, 1.00

00:02:59.120 maybe when men will rise up. And when we divorce women, maybe we'll start taking more from them 1.00

00:03:02.840 than they take for us, uh, from us. But it just matters. The only thing that matters is who's

00:03:06.140 earned more money, not whether you are not, you're a man or woman. And then for the final thing,

00:03:09.500 the first thing you brought up was he was changing his framework on Pierce Morgan. Why would I care about

00:03:14.100 him changing his framework on Pierce Morgan? When the statements that he's made about owning women

00:03:18.220 were done in the past when he owned his sex trafficking business? It might be the case

00:03:22.380 that as of the past year, he's become a good devout Muslim. He's, he follows the teaching of Islam

00:03:27.520 and all of that. And he's doing that great. That's fine. I don't care. That's not when he ran his

00:03:30.980 business. He ran his business like five years ago. Would you agree with what he said on the psych

00:03:35.480 evaluation that those girls should have had a psych evaluation themselves? I don't know specifically

00:03:39.760 how the psychologist is extrapolating to the other women. I do know that the two that go on to 0.98

00:03:44.600 defend Tate literally have tattoos of him on their body. So I don't know if they would be,

00:03:48.660 and I'm pretty sure they still work in the industry. So I don't know if those are going

00:03:51.620 to be like the most exonerating types of evidence. But I mean, if the psych, if the psych evals were

00:03:55.480 the only thing that was keeping them in the Romanian courts, I think I would probably disagree

00:03:59.300 with the judge's evaluation there. But those aren't the only things only holding them in the court.

00:04:02.980 The prosecution has linked a ton of different types of text messages showing criminal intent,

00:04:06.860 showing organization of, um, of the criminal organization, showing threats made to some of the talent,

00:04:11.180 um, showing different messages where Andrew Tate is promising marriage if a woman moves to Romania.

00:04:15.000 Um, so to say that the prosecution rests solely on that psych eval, I don't believe that's fair.

00:04:19.600 Okay, go ahead. Okay, so first thing is, in terms of the contravention of the international law,

00:04:24.640 you didn't give no answer. All you said is, I don't think it's a problem. It doesn't matter what

00:04:27.780 you think. It's about whether they're contravene or not. The second thing is, in terms of, um,

00:04:32.580 relationship, again, so what you're doing is you're basically saying, because I give the analogy about

00:04:37.020 you and Pearl. So what you're basically saying is, if someone's in a relationship, vis-a-vis,

00:04:41.740 that means that they are human trafficked. No, those women, clearly based on the leaked documents 0.95

00:04:47.540 that you are referring to, went, were in love with Tate, went to, went to, um, Romania on their own

00:04:55.900 violation, and then they made the decision based on consent. Even the BBC woman literally said,

00:05:00.180 I made the decision based on my own choice and my own decision. What you're saying is, guess what?

00:05:05.860 They were brainwashed. And I just said to you, anyway, you've conceded it. You said that the

00:05:09.640 psych report is unacceptable that it happened. And in terms of the psych report, you're saying,

00:05:13.960 again, I don't think this is the problem. Your whole argument is about what you think. It doesn't

00:05:17.620 matter what you think. What the judge has said is, there was three important issues, uh, level,

00:05:24.300 there was three aspects of the evidence that were important in order to make a determination.

00:05:27.880 In terms of the rape allegation, do you know what the two evidences are? It's only the witness

00:05:31.980 statement and the psych report. So it's 50% of the evidence, because the witness statement

00:05:35.880 and the psych report are equally weighted. And it's the statement of the woman. In terms

00:05:39.940 of the other women being brainwashed, it's three. So it's the witness statement, it's the psych

00:05:45.920 report. And finally, it's the evidence that's been leaked. And this is the issue. The evidence

00:05:51.380 that's been leaked is weak. Like when we see, when you look at the evidence, it does not demonstrate

00:05:56.740 what they've been charged for. It's so weak. It's snippets of information. And that's what

00:06:01.060 my argument is that based on the evidence that we have right now, and the judge agrees

00:06:06.360 with me. So based on the leaks, that evidence isn't enough to prosecute or convict. So that's

00:06:12.460 the point. So you're right. We're getting leaks all the time. And yet we've not got a

00:06:15.860 damning leak. So this is the problem. We've not got anything damning that says it. The other

00:06:20.220 point you made is which, you know, in terms of we're talking about five years ago, again,

00:06:24.160 that's incorrect. We're not talking about five years ago. Maybe we're talking about five

00:06:26.560 years ago in terms of the YouTube clips that you're interested in. But I already explained

00:06:29.600 to you, that's irrelevant. And I think you've finally, you admit that it's irrelevant. Wait,

00:06:32.680 when was this camming business? They're not being charged for five years ago. They've

00:06:35.940 been charged for the last year and a half. Yeah, but we were talking about in the context

00:06:38.840 of this camming business. When was this camming business? So they're not even being charged

00:06:42.300 for the camming business. What they've been charged for is OnlyFans and TikTok. Yeah, but when

00:06:45.720 did he do his camming business? When did he start his camming business? Yeah. Well, I'm not looking

00:06:49.740 at that. That's not relevant because what's relevant. No, no, because what's relevant. No, no, that's not relevant

00:06:53.980 because again, what you're looking at is social media. Your whole thing is trialled by social

00:06:59.100 media. Everything on social media convicts him. I'm saying it doesn't matter what social media

00:07:02.980 says. Let's look at what's actually happening. What's actually happening is he's been charged

00:07:06.840 for allegations from mid 2021 till mid 2022. It's that year or year and a half. In that year and year

00:07:15.740 and a half, he did not do the cam business. The court documents say it's TikTok and OnlyFans.

00:07:21.620 And so when you're referring to five years ago, that's irrelevant. So what I'm saying is it doesn't

00:07:28.420 matter if he's a good Muslim or a bad Muslim. That's not relevant to me. I'm trying to explain

00:07:32.540 to you the reason why he used the terminology of property. Now you're saying he's a contradiction.

00:07:39.740 Why is he using the term property? And then he's having a webcam business. So if he was using the term

00:07:47.700 property a year ago, and he's using the, let's say a year ago. Yeah. And he's using the, and he's doing

00:07:53.520 the web and OnlyFans and what you call it was a TikTok. What all that demonstrates is that he's got

00:07:59.860 a contradiction in his views. And I can tell you now, most people that do have contradiction in their

00:08:03.500 ideas, views, thoughts, ideologies. I accept that's a contradiction. But in terms of that specific point,

00:08:09.700 he is appealing to traditional values, even though I agree webcam business isn't.

00:08:16.700 Again, look, you keep saying, I don't think, I don't think it's that. But look, the judge already

00:08:22.120 said the standard meets reasonable suspicion. Look for more evidence. That's the reason they've

00:08:25.920 detained him. No one's denying that. So you know, when you keep saying, I don't think, I know you

00:08:29.160 need to say that because you need this debate to continue going and you need to try and argue

00:08:33.440 your point. But in reality, that's not what it is. You have to look at what the data is and what

00:08:38.180 the information is. And that's literally what we've got. The information, according to everyone,

00:08:42.720 according to the judge, is that it's not enough. You mentioned that. Yeah, I've answered.

00:08:53.000 Yeah, you, I don't know what to say. You keep saying like the judge agrees with me when clearly

00:08:57.460 he doesn't because he has denied their appeals and continue to detain them. So when you say the

00:09:02.400 judge agrees because he believes that the prosecution has provided sufficient evidence to show that there

00:09:06.900 are... What level of evidence? The judge has said, I'm just saying that if you want to disagree,

00:09:11.600 you say, okay, well, maybe the judge doesn't disagree with me, but it's strange that you

00:09:13.780 would pick and choose the judge. What level of evidence? Just answer it. What level of evidence

00:09:16.980 has he given? That there's reasonable suspicion that a serious crime is... We agree. We agree.

00:09:19.680 That's how the Romanian criminal court system works. That's what Andrew Tate moved specifically

00:09:23.300 to Romania to take advantage of. He said that he liked the way their courts worked and he moved there

00:09:26.740 and now he's over there. Now, if you say, if you say, if you say, no, you can't, you can't after I'm done.

00:09:30.960 So you said, you said very specifically, you said very specifically that it's about, I feel,

00:09:35.340 I think, I feel, I think. That's every statement you've made in regards to them, uh, contravening

00:09:39.420 with, uh, international law. Nobody, the, the international courts aren't saying the Romania

00:09:43.620 system is in violation of international law. No European commission has said that the remaining

00:09:48.140 courts are in violation of international law. And the judge himself is referencing international law

00:09:52.840 when he's giving reasons in his own document for why they're remaining locked up. So if you want to

00:09:57.480 say the judge agrees with you, I don't know what you're agreeing with. Maybe you just want to pick and

00:10:00.600 choose things that the judge says that you agree with. Um, I, I understand we're kind of circling

00:10:03.660 the drain on that argument going back and forth, but yeah. No, that does confuse me. So if the

00:10:07.460 judge agrees with you, then why is he locked up still? Yeah. So basically that's the reason why

00:10:12.160 they've, uh, uh, taken on Tina Glandian because no, no, so the judge agrees with me about the level

00:10:17.820 of evidence. Okay. So what the level of evidence is, this is that, and, and, and, and destiny agrees

00:10:22.200 as well, cause he said his reasonable suspicion. I'm in my next question to destiny was going to be

00:10:25.800 destiny. Do you agree that the level of evidence is reasonable, reasonable suspicion, and they need

00:10:31.320 to find no more, much more evidence to bridge that gap to be honest, reasonable doubt. So that

00:10:36.360 was going to be my question. So if you can answer that reasonable, I don't know, reasonable doubt

00:10:38.940 is what you prove in a court to convict somebody of a criminal charge. That's not what you need to

00:10:42.280 bring charges against somebody though. Of course you do, because if you do, if you, if you, if you,

00:10:46.680 when you're, when you're bringing charges, you would not bring charges based on weaker evidence,

00:10:51.960 and then hope that you bridge the gap during trial. You know, you've got the sufficient evidence,

00:10:55.800 hence why the, uh, allegations in the United Kingdom were not taken forward because they found

00:11:00.920 that the women were colluding. And so they knew that they wouldn't be able to get beyond reasonable

00:11:04.520 doubt. Now, in terms of, um, so that was that in terms of, uh, but I think destiny agrees. I think

00:11:10.600 I'm, I'm not understanding where, where it is. I think he said, I think, but when you say beyond

00:11:14.520 reasonable doubt, that's in my mind, beyond reasonable doubt is what you have to prove in front of a jury.

00:11:19.480 That's right. Yeah. So when, when a prosecutor takes the case to the court, he's not going to

00:11:24.680 take, he doesn't take the case based on weak evidence. He's not like, oh, I'm 50% sure. And

00:11:28.680 hopefully I'll bridge the 30, 40% gap during the trial. No, he says, he says, look, I've got this.

00:11:33.800 I can actually commit beyond reasonable doubt. Let me take this. And that's why the prosecute,

00:11:37.880 and that's very important for prosecutors because they have a certain percentage that they've got to

00:11:40.760 meet. So they know that the level of evidence needs to be that level before they take it to trial.

00:11:44.920 Yeah. So they, so yeah, so they, right now they have a reasonable suspicion. And because

00:11:49.320 of the nature of the crimes in the Romanian criminal court system, they're allowed to detain

00:11:53.160 them while they finish their investigation. We agree with this so far, right? That's what

00:11:55.880 they're allowed to do in Romania. The judge has looked at their appeals. He's looked at the evidence

00:11:59.800 the prosecution has submitted. And he said, well, you know, I think there's enough here

00:12:02.760 to let the prosecution continue their investigation. And that's how the Romanian criminal court system

00:12:07.000 works. Now you might feel like it's international law violation. You might cite article 99 and 100 and

00:12:12.040 article 51, but none of the international courts have thus far challenged the Romanian criminal court

00:12:16.760 proceedings. So that is your feeling as much as anything in here might be my feeling.

00:12:20.760 You mentioned evidence relating to women colluding in the UK on a rape charge. That's in dispute.

00:12:26.200 We don't know if the women were colluding or not. I believe that the prison, I'm sorry,

00:12:30.840 the police officer said that they didn't like that when the two women were texting each other,

00:12:34.520 I believe the women said that we weren't sure if we should tell the police that he had gotten us

00:12:38.360 drunk beforehand and that the police officers considered that colluding. Now it could be the case that

00:12:43.480 the women are misleading their text messages there, or it could be the case that the police 0.99

00:12:46.760 officers aren't being forthcoming with the text message. It's hard to say because I haven't seen

00:12:50.120 those text messages myself, but I think it's not fair to just instantly claim they were colluding.

00:12:54.520 I know that's what Tate likes to say, but Tate hasn't produced any of those text messages either.

00:12:58.040 So all I can go are by the statements of the women and the statements of the police

00:13:02.120 in regards to that. But I, when you, when you bring up the, the rape allegations,

00:13:07.000 I, now I remember because you brought this up. I'm pretty sure it was yesterday.

00:13:10.360 Didn't Romanian authorities find that there were three more rape allegations that had been tried to

00:13:15.080 have been filed in a local Romanian police station, and they ended up not being followed

00:13:19.800 up on because of the two women that were arrested, one of which was a police officer? 0.77

00:13:23.320 Is that not the case? Did that not just happen yesterday?

00:13:26.120 So, I mean, it seems like the prosecution is still uncovering things. And I mean, like I said,

00:13:30.120 we'll see in a month or two or however long it takes them, once they finish their investigation,

00:13:33.800 what kind of charges are brought forth. But all we can do is sit and wait.

JustPearlyThings - March 18, 2023

Heated Debate On Andrew Tate Arrest @destiny

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