JustPearlyThings - March 18, 2023


Heated Debate On Andrew Tate Arrest @destiny


Episode Stats

Length

13 minutes

Words per Minute

243.27502

Word Count

3,310

Sentence Count

215

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the case of Andrew Tate and Pearl Tate, and how they have been treated by the Romanian authorities and the media. We also talk about some of the allegations against them and why they should be held accountable.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Well, nobody has claimed that there have been, besides their lawyers, nobody is challenging
00:00:03.520 any of the Romanian laws in European courts, because I don't think that there has been a
00:00:07.560 problem with how Romanian conducts its legal system in the European courts. When you try to
00:00:11.300 say that you could just say that I'm brainwashed and Pearl trafficked me, you could say that. If
00:00:16.260 you went through and you dug through our text messages and Pearl is saying, Stephen, come to
00:00:19.880 London, I want to marry you, please. And then I show up and she's like, you're going to suffer
00:00:23.540 through six of my shows now, and maybe we'll get married by the end. And also I'm going to, you
00:00:28.160 know, like, then you would have a case, you would have a foundation for it. But it's
00:00:31.040 not just a matter of, I'm saying you're brainwashed, therefore you are, therefore you were trafficked.
00:00:34.360 That's not equivalent at all here, right? What we're looking at is a pattern of Tate communicating
00:00:39.320 with girls, promising to marry them, getting into relations with them, and then bringing
00:00:42.140 them over, and then having them do sex work. That's what's being alleged here. And a victim
00:00:45.900 statement saying like, oh no, like, he really did love me and that's not what's happening.
00:00:49.620 That's not enough to overturn it. So if you wanted to make the comparison to me and Pearl, you
00:00:53.100 would have to find some crazy messages from her to me that I don't believe exist, that show
00:00:57.500 that she's promising me some kind of like relation or something that's getting me to fly out
00:01:00.680 here and do content. That's what would make it equivalent. The actual evidence, the actual
00:01:03.660 messages afterwards. When you keep saying here that the judge has said that there's not enough
00:01:08.420 evidence to convict, I don't believe the judge has made that statement. What the judge has
00:01:12.660 said is you do not require enough evidence for a conviction. You only need enough to bring
00:01:18.060 a charge forward. And the prosecution right now is in the final stages of their investigation
00:01:22.000 of doing that. Now you can say that they're holding him for whatever reason they want,
00:01:24.940 or they, you know, maybe they don't have the evidence and they're just bullshitting their
00:01:27.380 way through it. But if that's the case, they were already arrested in Romania before and
00:01:30.160 they weren't held for that long, right? Where they were already released. So it seems like
00:01:32.780 they do have some internal standard they're trying to meet to have a compelling amount
00:01:36.000 of evidence to lock them up and finish an investigation. And like I said, all we can do
00:01:39.440 is wait and see what the final results of that turn out to be. If it turns out to be that
00:01:42.840 they didn't collect anything compelling, then I imagine hopefully they release what they have
00:01:45.960 or whatever. We said there was enough and then they walk and then that's it. But if they do have
00:01:48.980 enough, then it moves forward to the trial stage. And I just don't know why you would ever feel confident enough
00:01:52.880 to say that evidence doesn't exist. They're not going to have it. There's no way. When things
00:01:56.060 are being leaked by the prosecution, like every two days, every, every new day we get something
00:01:59.620 else. I think, geez, shoot, I should have read this, but I'm pretty sure like two days ago,
00:02:02.580 there was literally just something new, um, that was released about a couple of the new victims
00:02:06.340 or one of the new victims that came forward. But I mean, new stuff is coming forward all the time.
00:02:10.340 Um, when you, can I finish my, okay, sorry. Um, you mentioned that 60. I also, I do think it's telling
00:02:15.900 that there's a weird, when I try to evaluate the Andrew Tate stuff, I'm not trying to do this weird,
00:02:20.300 like East versus West Islam, whatever. I'm just looking at the facts of the case. That's all I
00:02:24.180 generally care about. I think it's interesting that there are so many of these points you're
00:02:27.140 bringing up relating to like Western, Eastern, gynocentric, you know, females owning men. Uh,
00:02:32.040 you brought up that 60% versus 80% of who's winning custody cases. The claim that I made was that when
00:02:36.740 men fight for custody, they win 60% of the time. I believe that women win 80 to 90% of the time,
00:02:42.960 but that's because men usually don't fight for custody. But when they do fight for custody,
00:02:46.300 they tend to win 60% of the time. Those are the numbers that I'm familiar with. When you said that
00:02:50.020 laws favor men versus women, when it comes to divorcing, it just favors whoever's made most
00:02:54.340 of the money. And in this female dominated world, as women are earning more and more money,
00:02:59.120 maybe when men will rise up. And when we divorce women, maybe we'll start taking more from them
00:03:02.840 than they take for us, uh, from us. But it just matters. The only thing that matters is who's
00:03:06.140 earned more money, not whether you are not, you're a man or woman. And then for the final thing,
00:03:09.500 the first thing you brought up was he was changing his framework on Pierce Morgan. Why would I care about
00:03:14.100 him changing his framework on Pierce Morgan? When the statements that he's made about owning women
00:03:18.220 were done in the past when he owned his sex trafficking business? It might be the case
00:03:22.380 that as of the past year, he's become a good devout Muslim. He's, he follows the teaching of Islam
00:03:27.520 and all of that. And he's doing that great. That's fine. I don't care. That's not when he ran his
00:03:30.980 business. He ran his business like five years ago. Would you agree with what he said on the psych
00:03:35.480 evaluation that those girls should have had a psych evaluation themselves? I don't know specifically
00:03:39.760 how the psychologist is extrapolating to the other women. I do know that the two that go on to
00:03:44.600 defend Tate literally have tattoos of him on their body. So I don't know if they would be,
00:03:48.660 and I'm pretty sure they still work in the industry. So I don't know if those are going
00:03:51.620 to be like the most exonerating types of evidence. But I mean, if the psych, if the psych evals were
00:03:55.480 the only thing that was keeping them in the Romanian courts, I think I would probably disagree
00:03:59.300 with the judge's evaluation there. But those aren't the only things only holding them in the court.
00:04:02.980 The prosecution has linked a ton of different types of text messages showing criminal intent,
00:04:06.860 showing organization of, um, of the criminal organization, showing threats made to some of the talent,
00:04:11.180 um, showing different messages where Andrew Tate is promising marriage if a woman moves to Romania.
00:04:15.000 Um, so to say that the prosecution rests solely on that psych eval, I don't believe that's fair.
00:04:19.600 Okay, go ahead. Okay, so first thing is, in terms of the contravention of the international law,
00:04:24.640 you didn't give no answer. All you said is, I don't think it's a problem. It doesn't matter what
00:04:27.780 you think. It's about whether they're contravene or not. The second thing is, in terms of, um,
00:04:32.580 relationship, again, so what you're doing is you're basically saying, because I give the analogy about
00:04:37.020 you and Pearl. So what you're basically saying is, if someone's in a relationship, vis-a-vis,
00:04:41.740 that means that they are human trafficked. No, those women, clearly based on the leaked documents
00:04:47.540 that you are referring to, went, were in love with Tate, went to, went to, um, Romania on their own
00:04:55.900 violation, and then they made the decision based on consent. Even the BBC woman literally said,
00:05:00.180 I made the decision based on my own choice and my own decision. What you're saying is, guess what?
00:05:05.860 They were brainwashed. And I just said to you, anyway, you've conceded it. You said that the
00:05:09.640 psych report is unacceptable that it happened. And in terms of the psych report, you're saying,
00:05:13.960 again, I don't think this is the problem. Your whole argument is about what you think. It doesn't
00:05:17.620 matter what you think. What the judge has said is, there was three important issues, uh, level,
00:05:24.300 there was three aspects of the evidence that were important in order to make a determination.
00:05:27.880 In terms of the rape allegation, do you know what the two evidences are? It's only the witness
00:05:31.980 statement and the psych report. So it's 50% of the evidence, because the witness statement
00:05:35.880 and the psych report are equally weighted. And it's the statement of the woman. In terms
00:05:39.940 of the other women being brainwashed, it's three. So it's the witness statement, it's the psych
00:05:45.920 report. And finally, it's the evidence that's been leaked. And this is the issue. The evidence
00:05:51.380 that's been leaked is weak. Like when we see, when you look at the evidence, it does not demonstrate
00:05:56.740 what they've been charged for. It's so weak. It's snippets of information. And that's what
00:06:01.060 my argument is that based on the evidence that we have right now, and the judge agrees
00:06:06.360 with me. So based on the leaks, that evidence isn't enough to prosecute or convict. So that's
00:06:12.460 the point. So you're right. We're getting leaks all the time. And yet we've not got a
00:06:15.860 damning leak. So this is the problem. We've not got anything damning that says it. The other
00:06:20.220 point you made is which, you know, in terms of we're talking about five years ago, again,
00:06:24.160 that's incorrect. We're not talking about five years ago. Maybe we're talking about five
00:06:26.560 years ago in terms of the YouTube clips that you're interested in. But I already explained
00:06:29.600 to you, that's irrelevant. And I think you've finally, you admit that it's irrelevant. Wait,
00:06:32.680 when was this camming business? They're not being charged for five years ago. They've
00:06:35.940 been charged for the last year and a half. Yeah, but we were talking about in the context
00:06:38.840 of this camming business. When was this camming business? So they're not even being charged
00:06:42.300 for the camming business. What they've been charged for is OnlyFans and TikTok. Yeah, but when
00:06:45.720 did he do his camming business? When did he start his camming business? Yeah. Well, I'm not looking
00:06:49.740 at that. That's not relevant because what's relevant. No, no, because what's relevant. No, no, that's not relevant
00:06:53.980 because again, what you're looking at is social media. Your whole thing is trialled by social
00:06:59.100 media. Everything on social media convicts him. I'm saying it doesn't matter what social media
00:07:02.980 says. Let's look at what's actually happening. What's actually happening is he's been charged
00:07:06.840 for allegations from mid 2021 till mid 2022. It's that year or year and a half. In that year and year
00:07:15.740 and a half, he did not do the cam business. The court documents say it's TikTok and OnlyFans.
00:07:21.620 And so when you're referring to five years ago, that's irrelevant. So what I'm saying is it doesn't
00:07:28.420 matter if he's a good Muslim or a bad Muslim. That's not relevant to me. I'm trying to explain
00:07:32.540 to you the reason why he used the terminology of property. Now you're saying he's a contradiction.
00:07:39.740 Why is he using the term property? And then he's having a webcam business. So if he was using the term
00:07:47.700 property a year ago, and he's using the, let's say a year ago. Yeah. And he's using the, and he's doing
00:07:53.520 the web and OnlyFans and what you call it was a TikTok. What all that demonstrates is that he's got
00:07:59.860 a contradiction in his views. And I can tell you now, most people that do have contradiction in their
00:08:03.500 ideas, views, thoughts, ideologies. I accept that's a contradiction. But in terms of that specific point,
00:08:09.700 he is appealing to traditional values, even though I agree webcam business isn't.
00:08:16.700 Again, look, you keep saying, I don't think, I don't think it's that. But look, the judge already
00:08:22.120 said the standard meets reasonable suspicion. Look for more evidence. That's the reason they've
00:08:25.920 detained him. No one's denying that. So you know, when you keep saying, I don't think, I know you
00:08:29.160 need to say that because you need this debate to continue going and you need to try and argue
00:08:33.440 your point. But in reality, that's not what it is. You have to look at what the data is and what
00:08:38.180 the information is. And that's literally what we've got. The information, according to everyone,
00:08:42.720 according to the judge, is that it's not enough. You mentioned that. Yeah, I've answered.
00:08:53.000 Yeah, you, I don't know what to say. You keep saying like the judge agrees with me when clearly
00:08:57.460 he doesn't because he has denied their appeals and continue to detain them. So when you say the
00:09:02.400 judge agrees because he believes that the prosecution has provided sufficient evidence to show that there
00:09:06.900 are... What level of evidence? The judge has said, I'm just saying that if you want to disagree,
00:09:11.600 you say, okay, well, maybe the judge doesn't disagree with me, but it's strange that you
00:09:13.780 would pick and choose the judge. What level of evidence? Just answer it. What level of evidence
00:09:16.980 has he given? That there's reasonable suspicion that a serious crime is... We agree. We agree.
00:09:19.680 That's how the Romanian criminal court system works. That's what Andrew Tate moved specifically
00:09:23.300 to Romania to take advantage of. He said that he liked the way their courts worked and he moved there
00:09:26.740 and now he's over there. Now, if you say, if you say, if you say, no, you can't, you can't after I'm done.
00:09:30.960 So you said, you said very specifically, you said very specifically that it's about, I feel,
00:09:35.340 I think, I feel, I think. That's every statement you've made in regards to them, uh, contravening
00:09:39.420 with, uh, international law. Nobody, the, the international courts aren't saying the Romania
00:09:43.620 system is in violation of international law. No European commission has said that the remaining
00:09:48.140 courts are in violation of international law. And the judge himself is referencing international law
00:09:52.840 when he's giving reasons in his own document for why they're remaining locked up. So if you want to
00:09:57.480 say the judge agrees with you, I don't know what you're agreeing with. Maybe you just want to pick and
00:10:00.600 choose things that the judge says that you agree with. Um, I, I understand we're kind of circling
00:10:03.660 the drain on that argument going back and forth, but yeah. No, that does confuse me. So if the
00:10:07.460 judge agrees with you, then why is he locked up still? Yeah. So basically that's the reason why
00:10:12.160 they've, uh, uh, taken on Tina Glandian because no, no, so the judge agrees with me about the level
00:10:17.820 of evidence. Okay. So what the level of evidence is, this is that, and, and, and, and destiny agrees
00:10:22.200 as well, cause he said his reasonable suspicion. I'm in my next question to destiny was going to be
00:10:25.800 destiny. Do you agree that the level of evidence is reasonable, reasonable suspicion, and they need
00:10:31.320 to find no more, much more evidence to bridge that gap to be honest, reasonable doubt. So that
00:10:36.360 was going to be my question. So if you can answer that reasonable, I don't know, reasonable doubt
00:10:38.940 is what you prove in a court to convict somebody of a criminal charge. That's not what you need to
00:10:42.280 bring charges against somebody though. Of course you do, because if you do, if you, if you, if you,
00:10:46.680 when you're, when you're bringing charges, you would not bring charges based on weaker evidence,
00:10:51.960 and then hope that you bridge the gap during trial. You know, you've got the sufficient evidence,
00:10:55.800 hence why the, uh, allegations in the United Kingdom were not taken forward because they found
00:11:00.920 that the women were colluding. And so they knew that they wouldn't be able to get beyond reasonable
00:11:04.520 doubt. Now, in terms of, um, so that was that in terms of, uh, but I think destiny agrees. I think
00:11:10.600 I'm, I'm not understanding where, where it is. I think he said, I think, but when you say beyond
00:11:14.520 reasonable doubt, that's in my mind, beyond reasonable doubt is what you have to prove in front of a jury.
00:11:19.480 That's right. Yeah. So when, when a prosecutor takes the case to the court, he's not going to
00:11:24.680 take, he doesn't take the case based on weak evidence. He's not like, oh, I'm 50% sure. And
00:11:28.680 hopefully I'll bridge the 30, 40% gap during the trial. No, he says, he says, look, I've got this.
00:11:33.800 I can actually commit beyond reasonable doubt. Let me take this. And that's why the prosecute,
00:11:37.880 and that's very important for prosecutors because they have a certain percentage that they've got to
00:11:40.760 meet. So they know that the level of evidence needs to be that level before they take it to trial.
00:11:44.920 Yeah. So they, so yeah, so they, right now they have a reasonable suspicion. And because
00:11:49.320 of the nature of the crimes in the Romanian criminal court system, they're allowed to detain
00:11:53.160 them while they finish their investigation. We agree with this so far, right? That's what
00:11:55.880 they're allowed to do in Romania. The judge has looked at their appeals. He's looked at the evidence
00:11:59.800 the prosecution has submitted. And he said, well, you know, I think there's enough here
00:12:02.760 to let the prosecution continue their investigation. And that's how the Romanian criminal court system
00:12:07.000 works. Now you might feel like it's international law violation. You might cite article 99 and 100 and
00:12:12.040 article 51, but none of the international courts have thus far challenged the Romanian criminal court
00:12:16.760 proceedings. So that is your feeling as much as anything in here might be my feeling.
00:12:20.760 You mentioned evidence relating to women colluding in the UK on a rape charge. That's in dispute.
00:12:26.200 We don't know if the women were colluding or not. I believe that the prison, I'm sorry,
00:12:30.840 the police officer said that they didn't like that when the two women were texting each other,
00:12:34.520 I believe the women said that we weren't sure if we should tell the police that he had gotten us
00:12:38.360 drunk beforehand and that the police officers considered that colluding. Now it could be the case that
00:12:43.480 the women are misleading their text messages there, or it could be the case that the police
00:12:46.760 officers aren't being forthcoming with the text message. It's hard to say because I haven't seen
00:12:50.120 those text messages myself, but I think it's not fair to just instantly claim they were colluding.
00:12:54.520 I know that's what Tate likes to say, but Tate hasn't produced any of those text messages either.
00:12:58.040 So all I can go are by the statements of the women and the statements of the police
00:13:02.120 in regards to that. But I, when you, when you bring up the, the rape allegations,
00:13:07.000 I, now I remember because you brought this up. I'm pretty sure it was yesterday.
00:13:10.360 Didn't Romanian authorities find that there were three more rape allegations that had been tried to
00:13:15.080 have been filed in a local Romanian police station, and they ended up not being followed
00:13:19.800 up on because of the two women that were arrested, one of which was a police officer?
00:13:23.320 Is that not the case? Did that not just happen yesterday?
00:13:26.120 So, I mean, it seems like the prosecution is still uncovering things. And I mean, like I said,
00:13:30.120 we'll see in a month or two or however long it takes them, once they finish their investigation,
00:13:33.800 what kind of charges are brought forth. But all we can do is sit and wait.