Her Delusional Arguments Got Flipped Against Her
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss sexual coercion and sexual assault. Sexual coercion is the practice of coercing a person to do something by using force or threats. Sexual assault is when a person is sexually coerced into doing something they don't want to do by using threats or words. In this episode we discuss the difference between sexual assault and sexual coercion.
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before you get to the situation where you're back at the house and the sexual coercion happens
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when you guys are having a dinner or whatnot and a check comes and everything's unspoken and then
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he goes to pay and your ass is quiet is he being financially coerced right then and there yes
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that is financial coercion no it'll be financial coercion if he's saying i don't want to pay and
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i'm forcing him to pay you guys are not understanding no that's what it starts with
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it starts with the no and then you're still trying to make well well doesn't it kind of start with the
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with the context of the situation because in the sexual coercion situation there's the context of
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you two being alone being amorous before and then the situation you know everything before then is
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unspoken and then it gets to the part where you know what you're not down with it same thing in a
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restaurant you guys are eating you guys are having a good time then that motherfucking check
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comes so explain explain the nuance we need to know the nuance yeah i mean then it goes back to
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just personal responsibility like because if you're with if you're a guy and you think that a girl may
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not be trustworthy or she has a history of accusing people or you know she just seems a little edgy like
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you have to understand that like if you get involved with this girl you know there could be
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repercussions as well and i think a lot of guys calculate that risk as well i actually think men
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should not date and not nothing personal but i actually think men shouldn't date women that think
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coercion is sexual assault because you don't know what she's going to can like say that you did yeah
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like if you do not know what yeah you should not date women like that because that it's men have too
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much to lose in this society yeah i mean the if they have any of the symptoms if she has like
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pronouns in her bio like all right uh swipe left on that one you know this there's certain symptoms
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of women you have to avoid not saying you just general men are so scary like why are you alone
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with them yeah if you don't want to do it like why are you alone with them before you're married then
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just don't be alone with them until you get married yeah which is true and that's why i'm saying it is
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true but i think i can understand a little bit where you're coming from in the sense that you might
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get a certain um let's say we know that something like this is more likely to happen to younger women
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when you're bringing a child up it's a little girl
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it might not be like this for every upbringing but
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darling do this for me be a good girl can you do this for me
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the boys mum going to the boy can you do this for me can you do that for me
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can you take out the trash or can you do this can you do that
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and we're yes yes i can do this i can do this really i heard i don't cook i don't clean
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that's some women as well but yeah um even that female line was developed
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that's a lot of women but let's say the the women were when they were little girls
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they had their mom and dad going please can you do this please can you do that even if you don't want
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to do it for me so when she grows up and when she's like 17 she might meet a guy
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that says the same thing do this for me do that for me and i get it the girl should know better
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but when she's had that all her life and then this feels kind of like oh it's not that big of a step
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from what i've known and then it happens and then she wakes up the next day and thinks
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all my life i've had this and then this has happened to me i thought it was okay
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it's now not i feel really bad she shouldn't blame the guy but look at herself and then make
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adjustments through that yeah so i'm just pulling up the definition of the word coerce
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so coerce is to persuade an unwilling person to do something by using force or threats
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so putting those two words together sexual coercion based upon your definition you are not sexually
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coerced okay if it's by force then because that's what the unless google's wrong but it says persuade
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an unwilling person to do something by using force or threats so do you think that's maybe you felt
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regret after it or and that's why as i stated sexual coercion i'm not saying it's something that's
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happened to me i'm talking about in general i thought you just said it happened to you i said
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sexual assault has happened to me not coercion and so okay an essay well okay what i'm trying to say
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is in general in in general if a woman has said no i think that i think anything after that you
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should really be looking at the guy if if you have said no and the man is really just trying to force
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it and really trying to make like i don't understand why nobody can see how that's wrong i don't and what
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you just said is really interesting i liked what you said especially when we're growing up as women
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um i think overall like what you were saying is that a woman grows up to be assertive like we have
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to do this we have to say yes yes mom duh duh do you know what i'm saying whereas there's women that grow
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up um who are able to i feel like women that grow up who are taught how to be more dominant and are able
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to say no would be more better in them situations but a lot of women are vulnerable a lot of women
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don't really know how to say no in them situations and a lot of guys take advantage of that
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a lot of men can see that when a lot of men take advantage of weaker women and take them back to
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their place why are those women in the in dangerous situations and as i said and as i said they shouldn't
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be in them situations but they're in it now they're in it so once they've said no this is my issue it's
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like nothing is ever our fault it's always the men's fault so you guys nothing it's always oh poor
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me i was convinced to do this where it's like no you made that choice then don't be alone with men
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if you you don't have any children do you no kids no so when you eventually make good choices
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so when you eventually have a female daughter and your female daughter god forbid touch wood but
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if your female daughter comes up to you and says um crying in your arms and says that she ended up
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sleeping with some guy she said no to him multiple times she said no to him on multiple occasions and
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then she decided to one and then one day she went to a party and then they went they were in a room
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together and he ended up obviously you don't believe in coercion so he ended up um convincing her
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not convincing her but just kept on did she did she open her legs willingly so even if your daughter
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came up to you crying i'm asking okay the crying doesn't matter i'm asking the facts of the case
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so because you're trying to use an emotionally a minute thing right now did she open her legs
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willingly did he force her or did she open them she would have done it yeah oh okay well then i would
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say well take that out wait it's just fair enough yeah it's and that's that's like a little that's
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like a little bit of uh emotionally manipulative statement to like a theoretical thing to make
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to just try to prove your point you know because personal responsibility is personal responsibility
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okay no matter what if somebody if you're in a situation where you're telling the person no and
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they're still pushing then you have to leave the situation because now that person has showed you
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that they are not socially there like they don't get it so you got to leave because that person has
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showed you they're now straying from the social norms and this is not a normal person and you got to
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get away from normal people because that's not okay i mean you spoke about maturity and like i think
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both of you um about like growing up and stuff and upbringing i'm i'm very into the upbringing
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people in general um because it's kind of what makes you a person and the person that you are right
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now um so okay let's say you said women um i don't want to quote exactly but women who grew up to be
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more dominant uh have it easier to find it easy to say no right this is just from my brain not okay
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so that's from so from your opinion yeah yeah so that's subjective okay so they find it easy to say
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no but then okay if you're from a household where you grew up to be um extremely timid as a person
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and you're in this situation you found yourself in this situation wouldn't you know or wouldn't you be
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scared in the beginning to start with that hold on if i go home with this guy something like this
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could have happened yeah and like right yeah like i've said already um if you're in them kind of
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situations you shouldn't put yourself in them kind of situations if you think the guy's a creep do not
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go home with the guy if you think the guy's weird do not go home with the guy if you don't want to sleep
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with the guy but you feel like the guy would want to sleep with you don't go home with him i'm agreeing
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with absolutely everything that you guys are saying but what i'm trying to say is once it's
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got to that point where a woman has said no i do not want to sleep with you and the guy is still
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trying to force it despite everything that's happened the woman still said no and the guy's a
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fucking does she say does she say no or does she say ha ha ha no no no stop because you know they're
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different i'm i'm just because you know you know you hear girls like that's how they flirt half the
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time stop it you've never heard that no i know what you're saying but i just i just don't know but
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just just from what i'm saying there's women that will literally say no or this is coming from
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experiences where i've spoken to people there's women where they will literally say no and a guy
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will still carry on and i just really wish and your mindsets if if this is the mindset you guys want to
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have it's literally fair enough but i just really wish that people could just i don't know i feel
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like there'll be a man that is watching this right now he's nodding his head thinking yeah thinking it's
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right but i feel like no we should be saying that once a woman has said no don't carry on no no i get
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what you're saying yeah we're not saying it's okay what do you have to say for a woman who says no
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to a guy that's trying to make certain sexual advances but then stays in the same situation with
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homeboy so she literally has said no she's made it clear that she's uncomfortable the guy's made it
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clear that he's been persistent but she still continues to be around said guy she could say
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no you're making me feel uncomfortable i'm going to remove myself from the situation yeah and that's
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true and that's the message that i feel like podcast especially because you're such like a powerful
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person well and i feel like that's the message you should be spreading then yeah in these kind of
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situations you should be removing yourself away from it you should be it shouldn't be something
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you should be asking for somethingulle says so yeah