00:00:00.000I mean, did you hear that case in the US? There was a guy who, the girl accused him of grape, and then there was footage that came out of her pulling him back to the dorm, and her pulling him in to kiss her, and he still got kicked out of school.
00:00:16.540This is the way that the world's going, and it's scary. And that's, going back to your point, that's why I can understand why people don't even want to have kids anymore, because, and this is the reason why as well, men feel like they can't even speak about things.
00:00:27.880Because when they do, you're misogynistic, you're controlling, patriarchy, all of these buzzwords. And yeah, men don't feel like they could even say their own point anymore without it being looked at a certain way.
00:00:39.900I do think that when you talk about like false grape accusations, just to throw out the other side of that, it's just, it's such a small issue. And I understand that when it does happen to somebody, it totally ruins their life. And that minority of people, like they are ruined, they get kicked out of university, they lose all their friends. It is awful.
00:00:57.160But it's such a minority when you look at like grape cases in general, how many actually go to trial, and then how many actually, like the person goes to prison over it. But it's just, it's so hard to prove, especially if your partner does it to you. There's no proof, you can't prove it.
00:01:11.640But that also, in between going to trial, in between actually, was it innocent until proven guilty? It's actually you're guilty until proven innocent.
00:01:20.340Well, you have the court of public opinion. Yeah, I totally agree with you. But I just think that that's such a minority. I don't know any woman that's accused a man of grape. Do you?
00:01:31.340I know someone that that's happened to.
00:01:32.860What if he's a school teacher? What if he's a school teacher? You know, this world is so small. All it takes is for the wrong person to hear the wrong thing. And it can ruin someone.
00:01:41.460And he'd be suspended with full pay for a period of time. It's not as small as issue as you think. I hear what you're saying, like how many like actually make it to court. But then you've got to remember that social media is everything now.
00:01:51.800And you've got to remember as well, with women that have experienced that, or they've got a friend that's experienced that, or women kind of, you know, they're group thinkers in a way. Like they will all, you know, jump in the bandwagon if they feel like a woman's being abused, quite rightly. But in certain circumstances, if it is a false allegation, that guy's life is ruined. His reputation is ruined just by someone saying something wild online.
00:02:16.220Was Johnny Depp's life ruined? Or is he doing absolutely fine?
00:02:21.220I just want to test something. I'm just curious. Who here knows someone that was falsely accused of grape or assault or something that you personally know and you believe was false? So two, three. So this is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. So out of seven people that I don't know, there's three. You don't think that's a big problem?
00:02:45.220I think that's really hard though, because I don't know the people that you know. I don't know if you, like if somebody accused somebody I was very, very close to of grape, if somebody accused my brother, there was nothing in me that would ever think that my brother would do that. Does that mean that I know a hundred percent? No, you never know.
00:03:01.220You know, that's with anything though. That's like, that's like saying people that are on death row. You know, there's a lot of people that have been sentenced to things they should never, ever have been sentenced to.
00:03:09.220They've been to court and they've been dealt with by a judge. These are people that often haven't. I'm guessing most of these cases haven't been to court.
00:03:14.220But then sometimes being dealt with by a judge doesn't also mean that it's fair and it hasn't, actually half the time isn't right.
00:03:19.220But it's based on evidence. No, it's not. No, it's not. But we just went over that. It's not in family court. And I talked to these men, like they've had their entire reputation ruined.
00:03:28.220Like one guy, even his whole family thought that he did it. Like she convinced him, them that he did it.
00:03:34.220And that he- Do you not think that that's odd though? If I was accused of something heinous, I don't think my family would believe I did it. And because I didn't, you know?
00:03:41.220No, because I think a lot of times when women cry, people believe them. I think that if she really, that really happened to her, I think she would have went to court.
00:03:49.220And I think you should go to court. That's a dangerous mindset to have though. There's a lot of people that don't go to court for a lot of reasons. Court is an extremely traumatic thing.
00:03:57.220Well, I think that you shouldn't be speaking about something publicly that a guy has not had a chance to defend himself. I think that's not fair.
00:04:05.220I think if you're going to accuse me of a crime and go around saying that I committed a crime, I should have the right to go to court and defend myself.
00:04:13.220But the problem is women will accuse men of things, ruin their jobs, ruin their reputation, and it's all from family court or the court of public opinion.
00:04:22.220Neither of which to he gets a fair trial.
00:04:25.220But then he can do what Johnny Depp did and defamation sue.
00:04:29.220I think you make it, you know, and you're right. Johnny Depp was able to do that.
00:04:33.220But even a man with money, status, and fame, she still ruined his life for a couple of years.
00:04:39.220What happens to the average guy? The average guy can't afford to do that.
00:04:43.220You know how expensive it is? And I know because I'm, there's some people, some of y'all can get it.
00:04:49.220But I know, I know because like I'm going to court with certain people. So it's like, it's like, it's expensive.
00:04:57.220So if a guy's making $40,000 a year and his ex-wife just financed, he's now homeless.
00:05:03.220What, he's going to go to court to defend himself? How?
00:05:07.220And remember, everyone lacks the point of finger, men or women. It's just human nature.
00:05:10.220No one likes to take responsibility for actions. It's just the natural thing to do, right?
00:05:15.220But the difference is that women can get away with it where men can't, because there's no consequence.
00:05:19.220So if there's a shitty, if both genders are shitty, but the women can get away with it, what are the men supposed to do?
00:05:26.220Paul, can I ask a question? I know we did the question, do we know anyone that's been accused of?
00:05:30.220Can we do the same thing? Do we know or know someone that was raped?
00:06:21.220Sometimes I think when you hear things as you grow up and you, people don't come out of things for 30 years.
00:06:28.220And sometimes people have even passed and whatever, by the time you know about something, it's like with the people around them, when you said, why was it not spoken about?
00:07:25.220But I knew I'd do something in the end.
00:07:27.220But like in that moment, I do understand sometimes why women don't come out of it straight away, because I could never imagine what would have happened if them 12 girls went in the toilet.
00:07:36.220But again, at that age, the first thing I did was go to my mum.
00:07:40.220Yeah, that was going to be my question, because if they're younger, like, why didn't they go to their parents?
00:07:44.220Yeah, because I went straight to my mum.