Is Jordan Peterson Red Pill
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with former college basketball player and host of the Red Pill Podcast, Nick Blevins, to talk about his transition from playing for the University of Minnesota to starting the podcast. We talk about how being an athlete affected his ability to be in a healthy relationship and what it was like being a female athlete in the male-dominated world of sports.
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Very cool. Very cool. Now, the transition, because here's the thing. You're doing a show
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when you talk about male-female relationships. And I'm curious, first off, how did you being
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an athlete affect your ability to be in a relationship? And then number two, we talk
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about, you were on with Jedediah Bielo, right? Jedediah had had this discussion before. Jedediah
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did not have a baby until she was 40. So she did it and she doesn't recommend other people do that.
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Maybe, I think 38 she got married, 40 she had a baby. She's 44 now. She has a four-year-old.
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She's not in the middle of the standard deviation. We know that, right? That's going to be before
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28, before 27, some of that area. She waited until she's 40. She has a baby now. And she says,
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okay, I know I'm out here in the fat tails of the standard deviation. It's very rare.
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I forget what the stats are. You probably know about losing half your eggs at the age of 30.
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And it's less than 5%, 2% once you cross the age of 40. So I'm curious. So she understood that she
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was in essence talking bad about boss women, but she was one at some point because she was on The
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View, right? She waited until she was 40. And with something she talks about, she's like, I know I was
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living that life, but I wasn't happy. And so I'm curious from your standpoint, being a college
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athlete and then having this podcast, has this been difficult for you for your dating life?
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Um, yeah, I mean, I would say just like the, the sports for sure. Like it's tough to like be
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traveling in and out of States when you're in college, you know, cause the, the schedule we
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had was like really, really intense. Um, but yeah, I would say, I would say it makes it tough
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sometimes because of the traveling. Yeah. Just cause of the time. Like that's why after this season,
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I was like, I'm done. I'm not doing this again. When I play, when I ran track, the girls I used to
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date were track athletes. Was that, was it like that for you? Were you usually athletes
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with the guys that you would go out with? Um, yeah. Do you like male basketball players?
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Is that like a type for you? Um, Hmm. Not really. No. I mean, they're, they're like fine,
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but like basketball players are a bit like, they're tend to be like kind of players. Okay.
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Got it. You know, like they're good looking, do you know what I mean? But like, it's just
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kind of, you're kind of asking for trouble there. Got it. Got it. Nice. Um, so from that
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standpoint, uh, again, I'm curious because we talked about this before in your situation,
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you're now a public figure. Right. So let's back up to one other thing. I started this podcast
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because of some remnants that happened because of a breakup. I went through a breakup and this
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girl started lying and saying all this kind of crazy shit about me. And I was like, I'm never
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going to let anybody start a narrative about me. Right. That's why I started this two years
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ago. You, did you, is it true? You started this podcast, your podcast, or you started creating
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content after getting out of a relationship? I did start the podcast after a relationship.
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Yeah. I was kind of watching red pill content before that, but yeah, I did start it like
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after I got out of a relationship. Was that a catalyst for you? Um, partially, I guess.
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Yeah, actually probably looking back. Yeah. Did you, when you ended this relationship, did
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you feel like you were trying to get back at somebody or you wanted to tell your own story
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or was, no, no, it wasn't like that. It was just more like I was sad. Okay. Like I was just
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really sad. Like I, like I did end it, but I was really sad. So, um, it was just kind
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of like a distraction, I guess. Was your, not to get too personal if you don't want
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to, but like did the relationship end because of mistakes either one of you made or was there
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any, anything bad like that that happened? Um, I think I just realized our backgrounds
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were just a bit too different, like for like a longterm, like, um, cause it was just kind
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of getting to the point. Like if we dated longer, like it's kind of like, what's the next
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step, you know? And I was just like, I just think I needed someone with a bit more similar
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of like values, background, that sort of thing. Your views since watching the red pill content
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has now, you, you, you mentioned before you grew up, you look up to your father. Your father
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was very well off, grew up in a 10 bedroom house. Yes. Yes. Uh, you know, with how many
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siblings do you have? Uh, it's kind of a, sorry, this is a, this is going to be a long winded
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answer. I remember your, your oldest is, is, was adopted or was put off for adoption.
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Yeah. Nine. Um, I grew up with six. So when I was growing up in, in my house, like I was
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the second of six, they adopted two after I left for college. So two teenagers came into
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the house. They adopted one teenager when I was a baby. She moved out when I was one
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and they gave up one kid for adoption. So I was in, um, I, I, I, I met him when I was
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22. So now I know like, so it's kind of weird cause I grew up with six, but like total
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it's 10. Got it. Yeah. Did you, you had talked about this in length? I've heard you say this
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before where they say high value men would always cheat and then you would tell your
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dad like, Hey dad, you're supposed to have something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Did your
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viewpoint change from there to when you started watching red pill content, where was the ethos
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for you to start creating content like this? Oh, it used to trigger me when they would say
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that. Oh my gosh, I would be so triggered. But when I, when I realized like my parents kind
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of grew up in a different time. Um, and I realized like what they're saying is they're
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more likely to cheat when they're in that category. And the question more is like, as
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a woman, what are you going to do if they, if he does, you know, do what I mean? And I
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just think like at the end of the day, you shouldn't break up a family, like for your
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own feelings. Um, there's exceptions. Right. But no, it used to trigger me. I used to have
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like a different opinion on that. Um, but no, my dad, my dad's never cheated. No one
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believes me. Like everyone always says, yes, he has, but my dad's like one of the
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best people I know, to be honest, like he's never drank. He's like been with one
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woman his whole life. Like, I don't know. My dad's, my dad's awesome.
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Do you think the possibility or the archetype that you see from your family is part of the
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reason why you make this content? Because it'd be one thing. I feel like most red pill
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content is why we're fucking up. And you have a family. Uh, when, when I look at my
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grandparents that were together for 75 years, when I look at something like more than 75
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years, I'm like, okay, well, there's an example where they didn't fuck up. Do you
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look at your family like that? Like maybe this is an example of what we could do if
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men and women would change their behavior? Um, you could say that I wouldn't say
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that's like the reason I did red pill content. I just found it interesting to be
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honest. Like I was just interested in it. Yeah. Um, I mean, there's like, I feel
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like there's more than one reason. It wasn't like one reason that I did
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everything, but yeah. What caused things to take off for you? Um, Oh my gosh,
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it was my red. Everyone thinks it was the show. You know, it's funny. It was not
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the show. It was actually, um, um, basically I started like, I did start the
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show. So it was while I had the show. Um, and I, what I would do is I would
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explain concepts that I was like watching and red pill. So I think our first episode
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was like, guys, like, do we actually like that? You know, this is like so basic
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now, but back then it was like kind of new to me. So I was like, guys, do we actually
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like toxic men? Do we actually like bad boys? Like, what do you guys think
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about this? And when I would explain a concept, um, and I think in that
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episode somehow trans stuff or something came up, it was something, um, or the,
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maybe it was the pay gap. I think it was the pay gap. That's what it was. And
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very, which is really off topic. But then I was explaining how the pay gap
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isn't real to this girl on the show named Jess. And after I could see, I would
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always take the girls where the wheels were like kind of turning where I could see
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red pill your friend. Yes. And so then I brought her back and that was like the
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first series that took off. And it was kind of like a system where I would do
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the show. And then the girls that were kind of like, huh? Like the wheels were
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turning. I would take them back and then show them like a red pill content
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creators stuff. So, well, I mean, I guess Jordan Peterson isn't like red pill,
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right? But they use that word for so many different things.
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Yeah. They do. The thing with Jordan Peterson is he, he evokes, he invokes
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evolutionary psychology a lot. And that's why you put him in that category.
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Yeah. And also like, again, we're skipping ahead. You discussed before about Ben Shapiro
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and Jordan Peterson talking about an attack on masculinity.
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Right. Right. And you're a big fan of Jordan Peterson.
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Do you, do you feel, can you describe like how you think that works? Because I feel the
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same way where there's an attack on just the concept. Like, I don't think there's such
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thing as toxic masculinity. I think they're toxic people.
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They can be masculine or feminine. But when a SEAL team is coming to rescue me from another
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country, I want those motherfuckers to be masculine as shit. Right. I don't care about
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their toxicness. Do you, do you, do you feel like there's an attack?
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Yeah. Well, I actually had like sort of a red pill moment when I was listening to like
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one of Rolo's streams and he was talking about how like the, the masculine way of doing things
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And I was, and I was thinking about it and I was like, it's the same way they'll say,
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oh, you need to open up emotionally to men, but that's not how men process emotions.
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And so like what I realized, I was like, oh my gosh, like the masculine way of doing
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things is always wrong. And I mean, before that I always knew it. I mean, in a way, because
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it's like, you have all these girls saying men are trash, men are the problem. Like, but
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that's like the basic talking point. Like when you really peel it down, I was like, that is
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I think what it is, is the, when men do things in a masculine manner, it doesn't feel right.
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Okay. Again, when you, when you use the example of the burning building or storming Normandy,
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then the masculine way is right. It doesn't matter how you feel about it. But when it comes
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to like, I have this conversation again with, when I talk to some of my female friends or
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my girlfriend, but we're having a conversation and I'm like, you're listening to the words
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I'm saying, and then you're looking for an additional meaning in what I'm saying. But
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I mean exactly the words I'm saying. There's nothing additional to it. It's just the words
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I'm saying. There's nothing else. And they're like, but why are you so mad at me? I'm
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like, no, you didn't hear what I just said. I'm not mad at you. What, what's going on
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is I'm saying words. What the truth is exactly the words I'm saying, but you're like looking
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for my hand movement and my eye inflection and there's nothing going on. And it's so
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hard. And like, especially for me with women I work with and women, when I'm on a date
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before I got in this relationship, it was one of these things where like, I need to be
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able to trust you. The only way I can trust you is if I say I'm going to be here at this
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time and you understand there's no additional meaning. It doesn't mean I'm going to be here
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at this time and fuck you. I'm mad at you. It just means I'm going to be here at this
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time. If you can't just literally listen to the words that I'm saying and understand
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the literal meaning, we can't accomplish things together. And that's the thing that's
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so scary to me, which is why we get into the, the 304s go over here. Right. And then
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the men you work with are over here because we're getting off topic here. But one of the
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things that always bothers me is because I'll have feminists on the show and I have a lot
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of my female friends in LA, usually they're feminists. And we'll have this discussion.
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I'll be like, you want to be taken more seriously in the workplace. Let's say specifically science,
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technology, engineering, and mathematics. Okay. And then when you do so, when I ask you how
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you picked who you dated, you started quoting astrology.
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How am I supposed to take you seriously? Right. Do you understand what I'm saying?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So again, again, one of my, uh, uh, one of my friends, she was, uh, uh,
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interviewing me for, um, financial network for tasty trade. And while she's interviewing me,
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Veneta Logan, and she's interviewing me and she's like, this is why women need to be taken more
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seriously in this workplace. And then she says, I don't sign a contract when mercury is in retrograde.
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And I'm like, do you not understand the problem there? It's like, you don't understand regular
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physics. It's okay to believe in astrology as like a fun thing. It's like watching when I watch the
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Hulk Hogan fight the ultimate warrior. I knew it wasn't real. They don't really hate each other.
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They probably swap wives and get steroids from the same person. They're not actually hating each
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other. The problem is when people start thinking Sagittarius is real, Libra is a real thing,
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but then I'm supposed to like, you want me to take you more seriously. How am I supposed to take
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you more seriously when I'm asking you to read the evolution of desire, but you're quoting the
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five love languages to me. You see what I'm saying? I'm asking you to read why beautiful people have
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more daughters, but you're quoting sperm wars to me, or you're, you're talking about something you
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read in 50 shades of gray. How do I, when I'm, when I'm giving you objective facts and you're quoting
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back to me, how you feel about something. I don't know how, as many of you know, I was just banned on
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