Jordan Peterson And Ben Shapiro's HEATED Takes On Marriage ｜ Pearl Daily Ep. 54
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Ben Shapiro and I have a debate about the pros and cons of marriage in 2023 and why you should or should not get married in the 21st century. Also, my producer King is fighting in a boxing match this Sunday in London and I will be attending.
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What up guys? Welcome to the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel and welcome to another episode of
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Pearl Daily where I cover this week's treachery, debauchery, and craziness. Before I start,
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these streams. Please guys, let's get to 2,500 likes on this video. A like is free. Also guys,
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my producer King is fighting in a boxing match this Sunday out here in the good old city of
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London. I will be attending as well as our production team and some of the talents.
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If you're interested in attending and meeting some of us, the link to King's Instagram will be in the
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description. It is Sunday, the 8th of October at the Scala Event Center in King's Cross London.
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Okay. So today we have a couple of different topics. Guys, I feel like I've been talking back
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and forth to the Daily Wire all week. I don't know why we can't have a debate. Okay. Okay. A
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discussion on the pros and cons of marriage in 2023. So Ben Shapiro tweeted, he didn't say at me.
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Okay. He didn't at me guys, but then just at me next time. Okay. All right. So Ben says,
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marriage is good and you should get married. Marriage will make you a better person.
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You should date with an eye towards marriage, seeking commonality of values. The single most
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important foundation for a lasting marriage. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk. I disagree.
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Where do I disagree? I want to, I want to, I want to break down every single one of Ben's
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statements. So marriage is good. I do believe that the ideal marriage of two virgins getting married
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and staying married for a lifetime. I do believe that is good. You should get married. I do not
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believe it is always in men's best interest in 2023 to get married. I think that maybe wealthier men
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have an easier time with marriage than broke men. Then we have to realize that the average man in
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this country is about five, nine, five, 10 makes about $55,000 a year and is about 180 pounds.
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These are all give or take depending on which website you look on. But a lot of times their
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prescriptions really depend on the guy. Um, and when we look at the average woman, who's about 170 pounds,
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five, five, um, one out of threes had an abortion. One out of four has had an STD and 90% have been on
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birth control at some point in their lives. I would argue that it is not always in men's best
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interest to get married and telling men to get married without warning them of the risks and
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telling them and giving them every opportunity to protect themselves really is, um, I would argue
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negligent. I believe it is negligent to tell men by and large, they should just get married as much as
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I, as a Catholic would love to see the return of families and traditionalism. I would argue you will
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never see that until you change the laws. What the trad cons will often say is, well, it'll take so
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much time to change the laws. In the meantime, you should just get married. Well, my question is why
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would the institutions change if they keep having willing customers that sign up? So Ben says marriage
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will make you a better person. I would argue that is very dependent on the man and the wife. There
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are absolutely nagging, belittling wives that make marriage a living hell hole for men. And no, it does
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not make them a happy, healthier person. Ben says you should date with an eye towards marriage, seeking
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a commonality of values, the single most important foundation for a lasting marriage. Ben is really
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selling here that if you just find a woman with a commonality of values, that it is not
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the risks, that it is not as risky as the pearl doom and gloomer will say. Now, some of this is
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an inference. So, you know, take it with a grain of salt. But I would argue that even a 10% chance
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of getting your life absolutely destroyed in divorce is still pretty risky. We all know that even amongst
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religious couples, the divorce rate is still 25, 35, 45%. And what happens is we go back and forth with
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the trad cons and they'll say, oh, well, it's lower than you guys are saying. You're doom and gloomers.
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And what I typically see them do is manipulate the stats. Now, how do they do that? If the average age
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of divorce is 46, I would argue you're not painting a full picture by using the stats of men in their
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20s and 30s. I know many men that were very happily married in their 20s and 30s before getting their
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lives absolutely destroyed in their 40s and 50s. A more honest answer would be surveying the men in
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their 60s and 70s what their opinion is on marriage. If I had to guess, it would be very
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different than the men married today. The other issue is, is they downplay the difference in the
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time period that we are in. Most women have been addicted to attention from the time they were very,
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very young. This creates a completely different pool of women that men have to choose from.
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The women are more slutty and overweight than ever. And really, when we don't acknowledge these
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things and tell men to just get married with a system that profits off of them having their lives
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ruined, there's no real solution because you're not even acknowledging the problem. You're downplaying
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that it exists. I would argue that is negligent. The single most important foundation for a lasting
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marriage, I would agree commonality of values. However, I do not think that is a foolproof plan.
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Ben Shapiro is an extremely high IQ individual. I am sure it was very apparent from a young age to
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Ben's family, friends, and community that he was going to be a success. I don't think you could talk
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to Ben Shapiro for more than five minutes without noticing this guy is crazy smart. Women notice that
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type of things. The level of respect that Ben Shapiro is going to get in a room is very different
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from the average man. He has amassed a net worth of over $50 million, according to Google.
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And being that he's worth over $50 million, he's going to have a very different experience in
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marriage. So Jordan Peterson actually weighed in. And I think he's taken my side. I think I think
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I'm dividing the daily wire on this. And I want to point out that the older men are much more
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taking Pearl's side than the younger men, which again, supports my original hypothesis was that
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Andrew Clavin says that Pearl has a point. And the younger men call me a doom and gloomer and call
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the men cry babies, you know, and just say, get married anyway. Now, Jordan Peterson comes in and I
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am a Jordan Peterson fan. So Jordan Peterson weighs in and says, but Ben Shapiro, the divorce and custody
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laws need upgrading. So this idea that all of the right wing is just saying, oh, men, sign up anyway.
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Imagine, imagine, okay, you had to sign, you got a contract, okay, imagine. And this contract says
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that your partner has all of the leverage. And this contract says your business partner is paid to
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leave you. Yes, they're paid to break this contract. And this business partner will be rewarded for
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ruining your life financially and emotionally. If we take the religion out of it, because the facts
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don't care about your religion. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm a Catholic, but we have to be honest here.
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Um, you would never sign that contract. But the truth of the matter is until child custody laws
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change, you will not see women act different. And, and my appeal to the daily wire
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is let's advocate for these laws. I want to see 20 videos on everyone's channel advocating for this
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stuff because you guys are the most influential voice in the media. I would argue, I don't know many
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people you could argue, maybe Fox news, but I really don't know many people that have as much
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pull as the daily wire. Why is this not the number one issue on all platforms instead of just waving
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away men's real concerns and saying, get married anyway. So I tweet and I'm asking we, it doesn't
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even have to be a debate, but a real conversation about solutions in this society. So is that a no
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from the daily wire to have a debate on marriage? It should be a good discussion. If you want the truth
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to come out and the facts are on your side, why not have it? It was important enough. And guys,
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it was actually five daily wire hosts. I forgot. It was important enough for five of your hosts to
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respond to me. Let's set a date. Go to Pearl, 26 year old Pearl. Okay. I got Matt Walsh, Jeremy
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Boring. Was it boring? I've been saying Boeing this whole time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Ben Shapiro and
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Andrew Klavan and Jordan Peterson, five hosts to respond to me. Yet I'm being told no for a debate,
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but we've talked about this all week. Okay. Andrew Klavan said, and I want to, I want to break this
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down long before you or Tate or any of the red pills. I was an outspoken anti-feminist, but also
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an anti-misogynist. Femininity with its work of soul-making and homemaking is a spiritual value
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and both the right and left have become materialists. So degrading the feminine sphere
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that now people can't even define what the word woman and think a man in a dress will suffice.
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I don't, is he accusing me of misogyny? I don't know. I don't, I'm not even saying he is or he isn't,
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but it's like, I'm like, okay, so can we debate? And he's like, before the red pill, I was an
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outspoken anti-feminist and anti-misogynist. Okay. Femininity with its work of soul-making and
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homemaking is a spiritual value. Okay. We don't. Okay. And both the left and the right have become
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a materialist. So degrading the feminine sphere that now people can't even define what the, okay,
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I don't, what does that have to do with the debate? This is why I was confused. Okay. So of course,
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as parallel, so of course, as pearly things has noted, marriage is broken. True. Okay. So I agree
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with Pearl. That's what I hear. But to do, but to deride the institution and denigrate women,
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is he accusing me of denigrating women? How many times on the show have I said,
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there are exceptional, awesome women out there, but the stats are not on our side, ladies, not in
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2023. Okay. These aren't ideas that can be debated. They are just inarticulate cries. Oh no. Andrew,
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this sounds like something like a chick would say to psychoanalyze. They're inarticulate cries of pains
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from, of, from souls in a materialistic hell. Okay. You can't, okay. This, this part I really
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disagreed with. You can't treat bodies as sex toys and then complain when you wake up in bed with an
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abusive pimp or a crazy whore. Andrew, Andrew, you're 70 years old. Okay. So you might not know
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the reality of the situation. Um, okay. What is a whore? We have to define first. What, what is a whore?
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Um, really there are not enough wives to go around. There are not enough wives to go around for the
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average man. There are more only fans, workers, sex workers, and cam models than there are teachers in
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this country under the age of 35. So, and it's kind of, and he's kind of, again, putting it back
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on the men. It's so interesting. Whenever men have a complaint, we have such a gut instinct to just tell
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them it's their fault. Pimps and whores are vicious people. What did you expect? Andrew, the truth of the
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matter is typically the men that are actually getting screwed in marriage are men that wanted
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traditionalism. The guys that are pimps, that are out screwing everybody, they don't get married.
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What incentive would those men have to settle down when they have all of the women? Do you think that
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Drake will get married? Do you think most of these men that have access to all of the women will get
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married? Some do, and we can look at exceptions, but I would argue that most men that get screwed in
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divorce that I have spoken to actually were good men that wanted to be traditional. And really, the
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situation happened because they had a predatory woman. They had a woman that they thought was something
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that she wasn't. And really, saying what did you expect to a guy that hasn't seen his kids in two
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years, has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get his children, I would argue, is wrong.
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It's wrong and it's not correct. The men that are getting screwed in divorce are not the pimps. They are
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the good men that want to do the right thing. But the issue is, when we have the incentive structure
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that we do, even seemingly good women, when they're not feeling the right way, will sign up. On top of
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that, we have an entire media dedicated to telling women that we're amazing and special and that the
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man is just not doing enough. Look at how even one of the Daily Wire hosts reacted to the Crowder
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divorce. When Candace Owens covered the Crowder divorce, she alleged that Steven Crowder was
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emotionally abusive. What is emotional abuse? This woman was a stay-at-home housewife with a nanny
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crying emotional abuse. This is the world that we are living in. And all of the media slandered his name.
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Crowder is a traditional guy. If this happened to a rich, successful media personality that
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believes in Christian values, what chance does the average man have? I just heard a couple from our
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show. Today, I just ran into him. I was going for a walk. Ran into a couple from our show. They're
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getting married. I'm overjoyed. I love seeing people have a happy ending. But what I don't love is men
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thinking they're signing up for one thing and getting absolutely destroyed later because they have
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no idea what they're signing up for. And the truth of the matter is the facts don't care about your
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religion. Yes, I am a Catholic. It does not make me happy to talk about these things. But the truth
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of the matter, when we look at the numbers, when it comes to issues regarding divorce, the numbers are
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not on our side. The truth of the matter is many of the men at the Daily Wire are out of touch for two
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reasons. One, they are a 1% man in society. I'm sorry, but most men's lives do not involve them
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becoming multimillionaire rich, famous men. Now, you could argue that maybe they weren't that at one
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point, but women are experts at selecting for the traits that make a man successful later. I believe
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that the only solution is changing the laws. And I question why they keep coming at the red pill instead
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of having a real conversation about changing the divorce laws. So I beg you, I plead with you,
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Daily Wire, please, even if it's not with me, have a real conversation about solutions about marriage.
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Question the politicians that you're interviewing this election season about how they're going to
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advocate for men's issues and more importantly, children's issues this election season. Children
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deserve a mother and a father and children deserve two-parent households. With the incentive structure
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that you have, you will see marriage disappear regardless of myself, the Tates, or any other
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red pill influencer. Now, what I've noticed is there are a couple lies that we have in society and it's
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often pushed by the right and the left. One lie that I see is that men are not emotionally intelligent.
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If the idea is that women are these emotionally intelligent beings, then I think I wouldn't see women
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left and right really acting like children. Now, you could argue with me all you want, but after you
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interview 600, 700 people on shows and on the street, you really see that women act more like children
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than men do, I would argue. But let's pull up this clip.
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You know, recently there's been a lot of articles pointing out how men are far less emotionally
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intelligent than women and how that's been ruining their relationships. Oh yeah, you know,
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I always say the wife's more intelligent than me. Emotionally, of course. You know, it's unfortunate,
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but it's an apartment that we lack in. Last week we're at the airport, our plane gets delayed an hour,
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whereas my natural instinct would be to say, it is what it is, there's nothing we can do.
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Britney had the emotional intelligence to realize this is a big deal, we should be arguing with anyone who
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will listen, and in general, just going ballistic, regardless of whether or not it'll help. Look,
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it's not about whether or not it helps. No. For example, say you plan an outdoor event and it
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begins to rain, an emotionally unintelligent person like myself might suggest some sort of
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alternative or contingency, or maybe we'll do it on another day, as opposed to realizing that this is
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in fact the end of the world and you should be flying off the handle. You know, whether you're
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reading an article about COVID coming back or your Uber Eats driver brings you the wrong order,
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we as men do not have the emotional intelligence to realize that not only is this something we
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should be freaking out about, but we should also be becoming actively hostile to others who are
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remaining calm. Now, why is this funny? Because it's true. Women, guys, women, we just have all these
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emotions. We just, look, look, guys are a lot more logical. They don't, they experience a lot less
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frustration. I envy it sometimes, you know, we'll have a problem at work and I'll start freaking out
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and the guys here will just say it is what it is. Let's just figure out how to fix it. And let's see
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if the, the comment section takes their side or argues. Okay. This is the dumbest, most incel-ish
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conversation I've seen all week. If only these two understood words and context. Now, wait, wait,
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look at the picture. Look at the picture of this guy. Does that seem like a man that isn't an incel?
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I'm sorry. Did I have to say it? I mean, okay, come on. Keep going. Keep going. EQ and IQ are not
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mutually exclusive. So glad men like this are single and sexless en masse now. Now, look,
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they always make up these words that really can't be measured to make women feel special.
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And one of those is emotionally intelligent or emotional intelligence. And I'm like, why do the most
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radical, crazy chicks I know talk about this? Are you, are you really emotionally intelligent?
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Really? What does that even mean? What is that? Like, really? I mean, come on, guys, come on.
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But you know, maybe Pearl's just a doom and gloomer and I'm just a hater. I don't know.
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Yeah, just a hater. Just a hater. Let's look at the interviews from the emotionally intelligent women.
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So there are women that think it's actually a fair fight for women to box Floyd Mayweather with all
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their emotional intelligence. Let's pull it up. Would that be like a fair fight?
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I believe so. Yes. I don't think that biology necessarily equates to someone's skill range.
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If the organization forced the female boxers to have to compete and had no choice.
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If they're identifying as a woman, they're a woman.
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So a female boxer in his same weight class? Yes. At that point, she would be a woman.
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And I think it's problematic to say that a woman cannot be as strong as Floyd Mayweather.
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It's fine then if a man is fracturing a woman's fault.
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Well, again, trans women are women, so it would be a woman.
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I have played volleyball for 16 years of my life.
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Um, I've, I've literally played volleyball 16 years of my life.
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I know that I could never, ever, ever compete with a man.
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And it's funny because the women that advocate for stuff like this always look overweight and unathletic.
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When I speak to women that are actually in sports, even the more feminist women will agree that we do not want to compete with men.
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On behalf of female athletes, I beg you, please stop fighting for this.
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Stop allowing men to compete in women's sports.
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I remember when I was 18 and I was a freshman in college playing volleyball.
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I remember when Caitlyn Jenner won the Courage Award.
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But it's funny how 10 years later, social media becomes real life.
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I attended one of my friends' volleyball tournaments here in England.
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So much so that I even saw an entire team of mostly men competing.
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This is not fair and it will absolutely result in women getting injured.
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Just because I, as a girl that has played volleyball for over 16 years, can, in fact, compete with some unathletic men, does not mean I can compete with the majority of men.
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And the truth of the matter is, a man could train in volleyball for two, three, maybe four years and outcompete a woman that's trained for 16.
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We have to work twice as hard to do half as much.
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So please, I beg you, stop putting men into our sports.
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I do not want to live in a world where I see women's sports overtaken by men.
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This is disgusting and vile and will result in women getting injured and being sexually assaulted.
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And no, we don't want a special division made for trans people.
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Get out of our sports and sign up for the biological division that you qualify for.
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And when I spoke about this, about the men playing in the women's division, good old Pearl received an email from her club saying that I can't talk about this.
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Well, no, I will continue to talk about this and I don't care whatever repercussions I face.
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Men playing in the women's division is wrong and I will not stand for it.
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And I will continue to complain as long as they keep putting men in our division.
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Thank God these emotionally intelligent women just gave their takes.
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How can anyone logically sit there and argue that?
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So speaking of crazy women, there is a woman that is going viral right now for giving her spouse a hall pass to cheat after she cheated.
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So after I cheated on my husband, I gave him a hall pass.
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But here's the reason why I did that is because I didn't want to take the responsibility of getting rid of all demons that I opened up my marriage to.
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And usually this is what people do when they cheat.
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They want their spouse to cheat on them back so it would give them a reason to feel better in some way.
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But let me tell you, that's the wrong way to do it.
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It's the wrong way to go about it because at the end of the day, you make matters worse.
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And even though I knew that that option was put forth in front of me, I knew that wasn't the right choice.
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Because that's not the way that we try to rebuild a marriage.
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If you want to stay in a marriage that's still on a downfall and just ride it out downhill, that's up to you if you want to make that choice.
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But I was not about to make that same choice if I know I also have another option of getting back in the face of God,
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praying for my marriage, praying for my wife, and trying to do the things and correct the wrongs that we had that led us into that position.
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Ew. We all know whose idea it was to do this video.
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Take the pants back, bro. The skirt doesn't fit you.
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Women, please stop talking about your relationship problems on social media.
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This is a bad idea. I would not recommend zero out of ten.
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Rocky on acid. You couldn't pay me to embarrass my man like this girl.
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Keep your relationship off the internet. No one cares.
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Now, and really, ladies, publicly saying that you cheated on your husband, many men will work through it.
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As you see, look at the women does the wrong thing.
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I mean, he's still letting his chick do all this crazy shit.
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But this idea that it's a good idea to just talk about your relationship issues on social media is bad.
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And I'd like to say the man really needs to take control here.
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What you see is a guy allowing his chick to do whatever she wants in a relationship.
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And now she can brag about her cheating on social media.
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And there is zero consequence because he's supporting her doing it.
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All of the people on the comments probably are single and making fun of this guy.
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It's so funny because you see this double entendre.
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The crowd will say, oh, it's so wrong for these men to sleep around.
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But then if they don't sleep around, then they're incels.
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But this is craziness and this is the level of Christian wives.
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As they always would tell me, go to a church and find a Christian wife.
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And until we switch the incentive structure and have actual consequences for women,
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This woman is coming on social media and talking about her cheating.
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So I always get asked about what do I think about passport bros?
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I do think that women are better in other countries.
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However, I do think that social media is going to change women forever.
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I don't say this in a happy way, but you can't uninvent this technology.
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What I see in other countries is they are 20 years behind.
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A lot of the cultural trends that we see in the West.
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However, I do see certain clips that make me think,
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huh, maybe there are certain things that will never be socially acceptable in non-Western countries.
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There is a clip that I think is quite old, but I thought it was hilarious,
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We equally reject attempts to prescribe new rights that are contrary to our values, norms, traditions, and beliefs.
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I love these African countries that don't give a shit with these liberal white countries.
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I've seen clips of people talking about how in Nigeria, it's illegal to be gay.
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I don't think we should be pushing to make gay marriage a normal thing.
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I don't think we should be celebrating gay weddings.
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Look, I don't think the police are dying to waste a bunch of police resources
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This used to be a private thing, but now it is public and celebrated,
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I don't, you know, if someone is gay, everybody has a different sin.
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I'm not planning on spending my day thinking about it.
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And in most places in the world, I would imagine there are some gay people,
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but they keep it quiet and hush-hush and do not wear it on their sleeve.
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And if you guys want to see more clips of non-Western countries talking about gay marriage,
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Make sure you get yourself a Women Shouldn't Vote t-shirt.
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Like the video, and I'll talk to you next time.