JustPearlyThings - May 07, 2023


@JWALLER On Racism


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8 minutes

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199

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In this episode, we discuss the importance of women in society and the role of a woman in society. We also discuss the difference between being a feminist and being a black woman and what it means to be a feminist.

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00:00:00.000 That's a simple way to put it.
00:00:01.780 What do you think?
00:00:02.860 I agree with what she's saying, 100%.
00:00:05.520 Did you actually agree or were you just trying to get to the next person?
00:00:08.360 No, I agree with what she's saying.
00:00:09.820 I think that a lot of, I think the term feminism has been almost changed in modern day time 0.99
00:00:16.880 and made into almost like women need to overpower men 1.00
00:00:20.380 and women need to take over the world kind of energy. 1.00
00:00:26.000 I hear that. No, I don't agree.
00:00:28.760 Okay, what do you think?
00:00:30.840 Feminism is made to empower women and show men the importance of women in society. 0.99
00:00:38.740 What's the importance of women in society? 1.00
00:00:41.380 What?
00:00:42.080 What's the importance of women in society? 1.00
00:00:44.160 We are society.
00:00:46.600 That's not, what's your importance?
00:00:49.720 What's your role in society?
00:00:50.800 If it's so important, if you're, that's the point of empowering you.
00:00:54.740 What's your role?
00:00:57.160 Well, I'm not being funny.
00:00:58.920 I mean, without, where would the world be without women? 1.00
00:01:03.820 Like, where would you, you've come from a woman? 1.00
00:01:06.740 You've learned most of what you've, growing up, who brought you up?
00:01:10.560 Was it your mother or your father?
00:01:11.840 Who's, so who's got core duties?
00:01:15.280 Why do men go so hard?
00:01:17.460 So, the importance of a woman is motherhood? 1.00
00:01:20.380 No, not just motherhood.
00:01:23.260 Come back to me.
00:01:24.580 I have to think about it.
00:01:26.000 But women... 1.00
00:01:27.000 You seem pretty set in stone on that.
00:01:28.500 I think we just saw feminism in real time. 1.00
00:01:31.520 You said that it's, our role is really important.
00:01:34.480 And then you just said motherhood, which is, that existed before the feminist movement. 0.90
00:01:38.340 Motherhood has always been important.
00:01:39.720 Yeah.
00:01:39.920 It's always been respected.
00:01:40.660 You're right.
00:01:42.120 You're right.
00:01:42.720 And it's pinnacle.
00:01:43.580 How do you think the world's going to continue to go on without motherhood? 0.85
00:01:46.340 We agree.
00:01:46.900 Would you be here if you didn't have a mother? 0.97
00:01:48.380 We agree 100%.
00:01:49.380 Exactly.
00:01:49.720 So, what has a feminist movement done to prove that? 1.00
00:01:52.600 Well, the feminist movement, if you're talking about what, what's it?
00:01:57.900 What's going on now?
00:01:58.780 The empowerment, all this girl boss thing that's going on right now.
00:02:02.380 No, that's modern feminism. 1.00
00:02:04.240 That's what it's evolved to.
00:02:05.900 But feminism in itself is made to make the world see the value of women. 1.00
00:02:10.760 They used to plan assassinations in the early 1900s.
00:02:13.860 What, feminists? 1.00
00:02:16.300 Well, yeah.
00:02:18.000 There's terrorist groups that are men and women.
00:02:21.060 You know, it's equality, isn't it?
00:02:22.760 Women can be terrorists too. 1.00
00:02:25.100 True. 0.97
00:02:25.980 That's why I think feminism, in my opinion, is the problem when people want to label things. 1.00
00:02:32.120 You don't want all of the same things.
00:02:34.120 We are all very different women.
00:02:35.340 We have different experiences, different careers, different ones.
00:02:37.700 So, if you start saying feminism, you start labeling everybody, it's a problem. 0.98
00:02:41.180 Because a black woman's freaking experience is not the same as a white woman. 1.00
00:02:44.640 So, our feminism doesn't look the same. 0.98
00:02:46.320 So, when everybody's saying, oh, women, empower yourselves, we can't empower ourselves the same way.
00:02:50.160 Some women work, some don't. 1.00
00:02:51.700 Some women are mothers, some women are not mothers. 1.00
00:02:53.480 It's like, don't put me under the same amount.
00:02:54.880 What is a black woman, what does that have to do with feminism? 1.00
00:02:57.020 It has to do with feminism. 1.00
00:02:58.100 Because, for example, for me, just knowing the difference between my empowerment and the empowerment of my white girlfriends, it's very different.
00:03:06.480 I have bigger struggles to overcome.
00:03:08.020 So, when somebody's telling me, oh, feminism, empower yourself, we're all the same.
00:03:10.800 No, we're not.
00:03:11.600 We're quite different.
00:03:12.700 The same way that I don't believe that racism is actually something that many people should be speaking on.
00:03:17.360 Because, even that, black experience is totally different depending on where you're from, what class you come from. 0.60
00:03:22.740 So, women are not all the same just because we are women. 0.98
00:03:25.460 This is, like, everything you're saying is why people think that feminists are just chatting. 1.00
00:03:28.960 Because, like, what does racism...
00:03:30.080 I'm not a feminist, so I don't really care.
00:03:31.640 And I brought feminism as a comparison point. 1.00
00:03:34.000 Because I'm just trying to explain that when you put people in the same bag every single time, it causes problems.
00:03:39.140 So, you don't actually get to understand what the genuine problem is.
00:03:41.840 And you start saying, oh, we want this, but then you don't know what you want.
00:03:44.320 It's victim mindset.
00:03:45.780 Yeah.
00:03:46.280 It's having a victim mindset.
00:03:47.700 I'm black.
00:03:48.260 I'm a woman.
00:03:48.880 I need empowerment.
00:03:49.780 I need this to move forward.
00:03:50.720 No, it's not a victimization.
00:03:51.560 It's a fact.
00:03:52.580 Because I know I lived that experience.
00:03:54.480 You may not.
00:03:55.240 And on top of that, I'm also an immigrant.
00:03:56.820 So, I already know that my experience is different.
00:03:58.420 So, when I'm talking about empowerment...
00:03:59.820 And you're an immigrant, too?
00:04:00.640 I don't look at it.
00:04:01.120 There's a lot of ways you're victimizing yourself.
00:04:03.080 I'm not victimized.
00:04:03.840 I'm empowering myself because I'm a G.
00:04:05.480 I made it through the problem.
00:04:06.640 I don't really care about whether or not it was a situation that was black. 0.76
00:04:08.960 But that's welcome.
00:04:09.600 So, you empower yourself by victimizing yourself.
00:04:11.700 No, I empower myself by understanding that perhaps I may have a bigger hill to climb, so I'll train harder.
00:04:17.160 It's what you're leading with, though.
00:04:18.660 It's certainly what you're leading with.
00:04:19.840 With what?
00:04:20.400 Your race, your gender, and your immigration.
00:04:23.060 Of course.
00:04:23.440 You're leading with that.
00:04:24.100 Is that your identity?
00:04:25.020 I'm talking about something so you can understand that.
00:04:26.460 I'm a feminist, too. 0.99
00:04:27.540 No, I'm not.
00:04:27.580 What about what you've done in the world instead of all of these other things?
00:04:30.160 I've done a lot of things in the world.
00:04:30.640 Okay, then why not lead with those?
00:04:31.720 I'm an educator as well.
00:04:33.180 Okay, cool.
00:04:33.400 And I understand the difference between me going into that job versus other people.
00:04:38.340 I work with different types of racism.
00:04:39.980 What I'm trying to say is I'm not trying to make this about racism.
00:04:42.440 I'm simply making a comparison to explain that.
00:04:44.140 But you did.
00:04:44.780 No, no, no.
00:04:45.380 You certainly did.
00:04:46.100 And let me tell you why.
00:04:47.000 Because I'm making a comparison.
00:04:48.580 So, it's an analogy to explain another problem.
00:04:51.020 When you put everybody in the same basket, it doesn't work.
00:04:53.760 That's why feminism doesn't work. 1.00
00:04:55.180 It's not a good thing.
00:04:56.100 Because I don't relate to feminists. 1.00
00:04:58.000 Because the problems are not just caused by gender.
00:05:00.160 The problems are caused by these other factors that you're talking about.
00:05:02.080 Yes, but it's caused by so many different things.
00:05:04.040 There's different elements to it.
00:05:05.060 So, don't box me in.
00:05:06.140 So, that's why I don't think feminism is good. 1.00
00:05:07.920 You neglect the people that actually do need empowering.
00:05:10.500 And I don't think it's fair to say that she shouldn't lead with her race and all of these things.
00:05:14.520 Because when you look at us, the first thing you do see is my race.
00:05:16.920 If I am a TV presenter, you're not going to look at me first as a TV presenter.
00:05:18.420 It's the first thing I see when it's the first thing you say.
00:05:20.580 When I see you, I see a woman. 0.70
00:05:21.680 I don't see a black girl. 0.98
00:05:22.620 Maybe that's just you. 0.82
00:05:23.320 But the majority are going to already have this stigma of me because I'm a black woman.
00:05:25.780 But here's the problem with you doing that.
00:05:27.040 And I say this with love.
00:05:27.780 But if you have that top of mind all the time, you're going to suppress yourself.
00:05:31.220 But that's literally...
00:05:32.300 That's life.
00:05:33.060 We can't change it.
00:05:33.580 You're going to suppress yourself.
00:05:34.460 We can't change it.
00:05:35.160 And that is like...
00:05:35.760 That's like me assuming that y'all are going to hate me because I'm a straight white male.
00:05:39.180 Why would I think that about you guys when we could just get along?
00:05:41.460 So, I don't understand.
00:05:42.760 Why are you being so challenging when I said...
00:05:45.460 Because I hate to hear it coming out of your mouth because it's a poisonous thing for you to think.
00:05:48.860 I'm a woman and I'm putting myself next to feminists. 0.98
00:05:49.900 And I'm saying, whatever your empowerment movement is, is not the same as mine.
00:05:53.760 So, don't actually label me to be in that situation and say, oh, women want this. 1.00
00:05:57.300 Oh, I'm not labeling you.
00:05:58.280 I'm simply telling you exactly what you said.
00:06:00.500 No, no, no, no, no.
00:06:01.200 Exactly what you said.
00:06:02.120 What do you think about feminine? 1.00
00:06:03.160 I said you in general...
00:06:03.800 I'm black.
00:06:04.260 I'm an immigrant. 1.00
00:06:05.000 All this bullshit. 1.00
00:06:05.920 Why are they lying? 1.00
00:06:06.660 That's literally what you just said.
00:06:08.340 That's exactly what you said.
00:06:09.180 Let me rephrase it so you can understand it.
00:06:10.700 Please.
00:06:10.840 So, essentially, if I stand next to a feminist, yeah, for example, a white woman... 1.00
00:06:15.700 I don't relate to you because I'm black. 0.63
00:06:16.960 Okay, wait, wait, wait.
00:06:17.940 Let me finish.
00:06:18.720 Can I finish?
00:06:19.300 You're about to say, I can't box myself in with you because I'm black.
00:06:21.620 That's not what I'm saying.
00:06:22.560 Say it then.
00:06:23.220 What I'm saying is, I am not the same woman as you.
00:06:25.840 What I want and what I see to be empowerment is not the same.
00:06:28.500 Whether it's culturally, whether it's racially, whether it's professionally, academically, personally,
00:06:32.680 whatever.
00:06:33.260 We are all very different.
00:06:34.380 Women cannot be boxed into the same box because we're not the same. 1.00
00:06:37.540 Because you're different races? 0.97
00:06:38.620 Because of different experiences as women. 0.89
00:06:40.340 So, you're making an anti-feminist argument because she's black. 1.00
00:06:44.300 But you want to have other things to complain about.
00:06:47.380 I've got a lot of victim balance.
00:06:50.840 I know the things that are not right and I know the things that are right.
00:06:53.380 It's not just black and white.
00:06:54.760 There's gray areas in the middle.
00:06:56.620 That's why I mentioned, for example, things like race is a gray area in the middle that
00:06:59.920 makes it say, oh, yeah, feminism may not actually be as accurate as people are saying. 1.00
00:07:03.920 That is why people come across feminists and they don't know what they want because one wants 1.00
00:07:07.720 this, the other one wants this, and the other one wants this because they are different.
00:07:10.940 And that is why feminism, in my opinion, is destructive. 1.00
00:07:14.540 And I don't think she's playing victim.
00:07:16.140 I think she's just acknowledging a serious issue in society.
00:07:19.080 What issue?
00:07:20.080 Racism?
00:07:20.680 Yes.
00:07:21.300 Are we going to act like racism doesn't exist?
00:07:23.360 It's an issue in society.
00:07:24.400 Racism is not a problem.
00:07:25.320 That's how they keep people broken at the bottom and arguing about nothing and thinking
00:07:28.500 that they're victims all the time.
00:07:29.340 And that sounds like a problem.
00:07:30.300 It's not a problem.
00:07:31.560 When you believe it, your existence...
00:07:33.180 And it's a problem then, isn't it?
00:07:34.480 Okay.
00:07:35.180 My point is your existence is a sum of your beliefs and your thoughts.
00:07:39.240 And if you're always thinking that I'm a victim because I'm black, I'm not a feminist
00:07:42.660 because of this, I'm an immigrant, then you know what's going to happen? 0.90
00:07:45.300 You're going to stay poor.
00:07:46.680 You're going to stay unhappy.
00:07:47.780 And you're going to see racism everywhere.
00:07:49.420 At a certain level of wealth and at a certain level of status, people never discuss things
00:07:53.940 like race.
00:07:54.840 People never discuss like, I'm an immigrant, so it was hard.
00:07:57.340 You just want to get to the next point.
00:07:58.820 Yeah, that's why racism is a problem. 0.51
00:08:00.320 Winners only see green because the truth of the matter is like, I own a business, right?
00:08:03.820 I have a bunch of employees.
00:08:05.180 If somebody turns up and does their job and they're profitable for my company, I cannot 0.99
00:08:08.820 afford to give a fuck about their race, religion, hair, gender, any of that stuff because 0.97
00:08:13.360 it's too hard to find people. 0.99
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