JustPearlyThings - June 22, 2023


Man EXPOSES Divorced Women

Topics
parental alienation
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Leslie Speed Spriggs Gail Mullington John Euler Mummy
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Length

11 minutes

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139.94

Word count

1,640

Sentence count

159

Harmful content

Misogyny

11

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Toxicity

4

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Hate speech

3

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In this episode, I speak to the father of a young boy who died at the hands of his own mother, Leslie Spriggs. We discuss the circumstances of his death, the events leading up to it and the impact on his family.

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00:00:00.000 But back to, so, she, did she go to jail, the mother of Archie?
00:00:05.880 Yes.
00:00:06.700 Okay, so she actually did.
00:00:08.120 She went to prison for that. 0.96
00:00:09.560 But the sad part was that there was warnings about this.
00:00:14.560 Yes.
00:00:14.900 And, like, from you, from the dad.
00:00:17.880 Yes.
00:00:18.080 And nothing was done.
00:00:19.520 Nothing was done.
00:00:20.840 And, if anything, you guys were looked at as the abusers.
00:00:24.440 To this day, I would say there are people who see Leslie Speed as a victim.
00:00:32.180 To this day, even though she's done what she's done, that there are still people who would still see Mr. Spriggs as an abuser and Leslie Speed as a victim.
00:00:45.720 And she, those more extreme feminists will see her as, well, this is what happens when you commit domestic abuse against a woman. 1.00
00:00:55.520 She's got an excuse. 1.00
00:00:58.280 Fortunately, it's not a view held by the majority of the public.
00:01:02.560 Certainly not a view held by me. 0.94
00:01:04.340 That is an evil woman. 1.00
00:01:06.760 A very evil woman. 1.00
00:01:07.940 And, yes, like you say, there were warnings.
00:01:13.640 There were warning signs that were not heeded.
00:01:16.100 But in the serious case review, in the inquest that was held some years later, the findings were made that the death could not be avoided.
00:01:28.040 Well, had you listened to Mr. Spriggs, all you had to do was listen to him.
00:01:33.560 All you had to do was listen to me and look at these cases and the links between them.
00:01:42.980 I was only ever told that, oh, we only ever look at cases in isolation.
00:01:48.240 Well, how can you when there's clearly an environment in which this is going on?
00:01:53.180 There's groups of women. 1.00
00:01:54.080 There are, they gossip, they, you know, they do what women do, you might say, which is obviously not very politically correct. 1.00
00:02:05.580 There were plenty of opportunities, but they, I believe it was a whitewash, that they didn't want to confront the truth of their failures.
00:02:14.260 And the local authorities, Shropshire Council, social services, but the main finding made by the inquest, John Ellery, the coroner for Shropshire, suggested, recommended that the local authority should intervene earlier in such cases.
00:02:35.260 cases that, that, that essentially take more children into care at an earlier stage.
00:02:43.680 Now, on the very day that he made that, he made that, he made that recommendation.
00:02:49.820 And care, is that foster care?
00:02:51.160 Yes.
00:02:52.160 Okay.
00:02:52.660 Yes, that would be foster care.
00:02:53.660 Okay.
00:02:54.160 So, the coroner looks at Archie's case and says that, like, foster care should intervene quicker.
00:03:03.600 Yes.
00:03:04.600 Yes.
00:03:05.600 Okay.
00:03:06.600 In, in similar cases.
00:03:07.600 So then that made them look at your son.
00:03:09.600 Exactly.
00:03:10.600 Okay.
00:03:11.600 And this was, this happened, he died in 2017.
00:03:14.600 So when was this?
00:03:16.600 Well, he'd made, that would be 2019 that he made that recommendation.
00:03:24.600 In the meantime, in the meantime, there had been some movement that me and my son had a shared parenting agreement.
00:03:33.600 We, 20, the end of 2018, 2019 was wonderful for me and my son.
00:03:41.600 We finally got the, the time together that we needed.
00:03:46.600 We did all sorts.
00:03:47.600 We went on holiday, Ireland, Dorset, and I can't even begin.
00:03:55.600 You know, there was so many things that we did together.
00:03:57.600 We went camping.
00:03:58.600 Because around this time, so around this time you, you'd gotten the shared parenting agreement,
00:04:05.600 finally, from the court.
00:04:07.600 That's right.
00:04:08.600 And so, but that took three years to get.
00:04:10.600 Yeah, essentially.
00:04:11.600 Essentially.
00:04:12.600 Yeah.
00:04:13.600 And you didn't see your son.
00:04:14.600 So, five years has gone by total around this point, I believe, if I have this right.
00:04:19.600 Three years, sorry.
00:04:20.600 By that.
00:04:21.600 I thought, I thought there was a year or two you didn't see him.
00:04:24.600 There was, yeah.
00:04:25.600 That, that was 2016, 2017.
00:04:26.600 Okay.
00:04:27.600 I didn't really see.
00:04:28.600 In 2018, things improved slightly, but we were working up to February 2019.
00:04:34.600 Right.
00:04:35.600 Even though we had a final court order, which gave us a formal shared parenting agreement.
00:04:42.600 Yeah, so I'm saying total, this has been like five years at that point.
00:04:45.600 Four or five.
00:04:46.600 Four or five years.
00:04:47.600 Four or five years.
00:04:48.600 Okay.
00:04:49.600 And so, I just like to get the timeline right.
00:04:51.600 So, four or five years, now things are better with your son.
00:04:54.600 Yeah.
00:04:55.600 You get to see him every other weekend.
00:04:56.600 That's right, yeah.
00:04:57.600 So.
00:04:58.600 But then, Archie dies and they finally come to a conclusion on that case.
00:05:03.600 Yes.
00:05:04.600 That foster care needs to intervene sooner.
00:05:06.600 Yes.
00:05:07.600 Well, we had this shared parenting agreement.
00:05:09.600 As far as my family concerned, myself, my son obviously is the most important player
00:05:15.600 here.
00:05:16.600 My son had the relationships he needed.
00:05:19.600 However, my ex-wife continued to make problems, continued to create stumbling blocks. 1.00
00:05:25.600 She was not attending any of the meetings, the child in need meetings that were required.
00:05:30.600 As six months went by, we were supposed to have child in need meetings where basically
00:05:35.600 we had issues and we are supposed to come to agreements and things are supposed to settle
00:05:42.600 down.
00:05:43.600 So, this is supposed to take three months and the social services who were involved at that
00:05:52.600 point leave us alone to get on with it.
00:05:54.600 That's the theory.
00:05:55.600 And that is what was ordered by the court.
00:05:57.600 Six months goes past and not one meeting has taken place.
00:06:01.600 Six months.
00:06:02.600 These are supposed to be fortnighters.
00:06:04.600 Right.
00:06:05.600 So, eventually, we have this thing, and you are probably well aware of this, parental alienation.
00:06:16.600 Now, this is a process where a parent, and I am going to say typically a mother, as has
00:06:27.600 been my experience and most experiences I have heard of, are mothers who will basically 0.99
00:06:39.600 trash the reputation of the father, by sometimes very subtle means, sometimes very obvious means.
00:06:47.600 Now, my ex-wife was clearly committing this sort of thing. 1.00
00:06:51.600 She had put up security cameras bristling all over her house.
00:06:55.600 She was clearly hoping to catch me.
00:07:00.600 My son was aware of everything that was going on around him.
00:07:03.600 He was old enough to understand what was going on.
00:07:08.600 And she was creating more and more of these problems.
00:07:10.600 Well, what happened in the end, on the very day, well actually, sorry, I am jumping ahead
00:07:16.600 a little bit, we did actually eventually have one child in need meeting, chaired by a social
00:07:23.600 worker, Gail Mullington, who was completely inept. 0.98
00:07:29.600 And we had eight people sat in the room at the local school. 0.82
00:07:34.600 Now, this is supposed to be a private kind of family meeting, right?
00:07:40.600 But there were two police officers invited.
00:07:43.600 The implication being that I am obviously going to start beating people up.
00:07:48.600 We have got several school teachers, we have got my ex-wife, we have got a new friend
00:07:54.600 who is a militant feminist who is invited in. 0.78
00:07:57.600 We are supposed to be there just for emotional support for my ex-wife.
00:08:02.600 There is myself, there is several other social workers.
00:08:08.600 But what this descends into, instead of this kind of constructive conversation it's supposed
00:08:16.600 to be, it becomes a slanging match.
00:08:18.600 Everybody takes it in turns to criticize me and say, well, your son presents as scared,
00:08:25.600 he presents as, he's always very untidy whenever you drop him off.
00:08:30.600 He's always late.
00:08:31.600 He's always tired.
00:08:32.600 He never wants to talk about his father.
00:08:36.600 He seems scared about his father.
00:08:38.600 This just runs contrary to everything I knew about my son.
00:08:41.600 I was explaining, look, this isn't real.
00:08:44.600 You know, this is...
00:08:46.600 How does that happen?
00:08:47.600 Do you think your wife just told them stories and they believed it?
00:08:50.600 Yes.
00:08:51.600 Yes.
00:08:52.600 It was well known my ex-wife spent far too much time around the school making friends
00:08:59.600 with teachers, telling them stories that weren't true, making my son seem like a victim
00:09:06.600 when he was not.
00:09:07.600 And making everybody feel sorry for him when he was just a normal lad, okay?
00:09:14.600 And he was becoming quite happy, really, that we had finally got a situation where he got
00:09:21.600 to have a dad and a grandmother and a grandfather and all my side of the family were all, you know,
00:09:27.600 aunts and uncles, that sort of thing.
00:09:29.600 And he was becoming quite happy, okay?
00:09:33.600 And this meeting descended into chaos.
00:09:38.600 And I kind of walked out because I could see it was a hatchet job.
00:09:48.600 And so the meeting collapsed, essentially.
00:09:55.600 And this friend of my ex-wife, who seems...
00:10:01.600 I believe she's something to do with the women's aid group, a clear militant feminist,
00:10:06.600 started asking me questions.
00:10:08.600 What right is she to ask me questions in a meeting that's...
00:10:14.600 She has nothing... 1.00
00:10:16.600 She's there for emotional support, nothing else.
00:10:20.600 And that was very typical of the sort of thing that happened.
00:10:23.600 Anyway, a few days later, I got to see my son.
00:10:27.600 My son was extremely upset.
00:10:30.600 And he told me that...
00:10:34.600 Mummy told me to say bad things about you because it made her happy.
00:10:43.600 I had to say bad things about you because I never had to say bad things about you.
00:10:47.600 It was not something that I wanted to burden my son with.
00:10:54.600 I mean, of course I got accused of parental alienation myself all the time.
00:10:58.600 No such thing happened.
00:11:00.600 I was always very positive about my ex-wife, about his mother, but he clearly said that.
00:11:08.360 He said it and he repeated it several times and we thought, well, you know, we need to
00:11:15.680 alert people of it.
00:11:19.060 And we went to the school because at the time it was getting late and no one else was answering
00:11:26.600 the phone and thought, we've got to take him to the school and discuss this while he's
00:11:31.540 still in the mood for talking.
00:11:34.400 And then I was basically accused of making him say it.
00:11:38.280 So you can't win either way, can you?
00:11:41.420 He was saying this but nobody wanted to listen.