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Summary
Is it society s duty to have more kids? Is it society's duty to encourage women to have children? Should it be a cultural group's job to have kids? Or should it be up to individual women? In this episode, we talk about the declining fertility rates around the world, and how we can all work together to fix it.
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So there's always going to be somebody that does.
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I genuinely thought at 28, I would have had a kid by now.
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there's a lot of other women getting pregnant right now.
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if the population's collapsing because women aren't having kids,
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Do we owe society, do we owe civilization children?
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I didn't say handmaid's tale, but your answer is no.
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If it turns out that the only way that a cultural group can motivate women to have children
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is by forcing them, then the only cultural groups that exist in the future will be the
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cultural groups that force women to have children.
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And this is something we're increasingly seeing in places like China.
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You know, if we see society today as alliance of disparate cultural groups,
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and we're asking why do so few people have children today?
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The dominant cultural group, we call that the urban monoculture.
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It's the culture that's in London, New York, all over the world today.
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It controls our media, it controls our centers of power.
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It tells people do what you want, be who you want, search for your happiness and your purpose
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in the world, but it doesn't tell people to sacrifice.
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And so what we do with the Pronatalist Foundation, sometimes it makes it so clear by, you know,
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Because I'm like, hey, we want to maintain and hopefully increase this beautiful diversity
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And then, you know, like if I was Noah, like a unicorn comes up to me and it's like,
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hey man, like this is some pretty hateful stuff you're saying that we need to get fertility rates up.
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And I'm like, whoa, you don't need to get on the boat.
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Like I'm just pointing out that in a world of collapsing fertility and to give an idea
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If, so I started caring about this when I was working in South Korea at South Korea's
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If it doesn't continue to go down for every hundred Koreans, there's going to be six great
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If the U.S., if we assume that it continues to decline at the rate it did from 2010 to
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2020 for every hundred Americans, this is assuming we have a generation every 30 years for
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every hundred Americans, there's going to be 4.3 great grandchildren.
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And so what's so cool about this period in history that we're in is anyone who can motivate
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And when I say intergenerational, you can't just like spam sex and have a bunch of kids
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You have to make them want to continue your culture.
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Anyone who's doing that gets to play a role in this future of humanity and gets to play
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an outsized role due to collapsing fertility rates.
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What are the ways that you best see we can motivate people to have more children?
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The number one thing we need to do is protect any country you go to.
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You go to the U.K., you go to the U.S., anywhere you go, there's going to be high fertility
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The problem is, from the perspective of the urban monoculture, is these groups are deplorable.
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They're Orthodox Jews, you know, as he was talking about.
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And so it sees its job because they're different.
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You know, anyone who's different from an individual's culture says, we got to stamp them out.
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And so it takes their kids and it stamps out their culture and it says, just do whatever
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you want to be happy in the moment, which none of these older, disparate, you know, high
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fertility traditions, Amish, et cetera, do, you know.
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And so I think the number one thing we need to do is we need to protect the children of
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high fertility cultures and any sort of deviant cultural group that says, look, I want to
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do things differently than what society is telling me the way to do it.
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Because I don't think society has things figured out right now.
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I look at, you know, I don't think that society has the right to say, this is the only way
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And I really love the, you know, the diversity in this room and all of the different ways
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that people see their ancestry and their obligation to the future.
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I think we should stop birth control as well for young girls.
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Because like that way they'll abstain from sex more because I feel like when you just,
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That's the whole point of giving birth because that period is literally like a little.
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So when you hear loads of girls say, I have PCOS, I have this, I have that.
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My mom's like, no, Shan, there's women that are like 45 having children in Jamaica, three
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If you stop the birth control, girls will get more scared to get pregnant.
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And so they are staying for more sex, it means that they'll have a better future to actually
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have kids because everything down there is blessed.
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Well, and a lot of, like you meet a lot of girls that like end up having fertility problems
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I mean, they don't know for sure, but I know at least one girl that like she was, she took
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one of the shots that they gave her like for like a nest, like, like the preventative
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And she was actually, um, cause she was, she watched me when I was younger.
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It's like the saddest thing that she couldn't have children.
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And it's like, you can't find which one to pinpoint it on because they're not, they
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But a lot of women feel like that is what it is.
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Another lady told me yesterday, I was having this conversation in my broadcast list.
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She goes that she went to the doctors and because she keeps taking the morning after
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pill, he said that it was literally like a bomb waiting to explode inside of her.
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Um, or I don't know what it was like, but she was like, it's because it's like a bomb
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cause she didn't want to take like the normal type of thing and she was in a long term
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So there's situations that cause that type of thing, but it's like, it was like a bomb.
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So it's not even, oh, you should have taken that much.
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There was a girl on my show that was infertile because of plan B's.
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I still think there should be a choice though with guys and females.
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Like I feel like it sucks that we've got to go through everything and take contraceptive
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If, if we're not replacing the population and they predict we're going to have all these
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issues in the future, it's like, at what cost do we allow people to choose whatever?
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I'm not saying I have all the answers, but it's worth a conversation asking, do we allow
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I think in terms of going back to your question, um, do women owe society, uh, uh, babies,
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I think the word owe got, uh, a lot of people's backs up in there, you know?
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But my personal thing is, do we need to push something back into society for giving us what
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we have in terms of our livelihoods, our everyday lives, our jobs and blah, blah, blah.
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So I think the word owe, again, it was a bit of a, you know, just one of, one of those
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all, I don't know, you know, basically where you, where you're coming from.
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That's why a lot of people was a bit upset with it.
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But again, um, I, look, I'm a father of two, you know, beautiful boys.
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Um, and I think having children, obviously it does fall more on the mom, especially when
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Um, but again, I only see the beauty in it as, again, coming from a father's point of
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And even, even the word owe, when you think about it, like, I think you owe society, you
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know, to be a decent, non-crime committing, tax paying citizen.
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But when you ask about children, there's a, a gut, you know, it's, it's almost too much.
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I wanted to add some color to like the plan B thing.
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And, and, and there's so many things in our society now where we think that biologically
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we're the same as like our grandparents were, but you know, sperm rates have dropped by something
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Testosterone's dropped something like 30% in the last 20 years.
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Um, you know, it's someone, if you want to talk about the TIDE studies.
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I'm not really sure if you're familiar with them.
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TIDES, basically a bunch of longitudinal researchers looked at the levels of endocrine
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disruptors in, in women who are pregnant first trimester.
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And then they measured a bunch of things with the children they had afterwards.
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It turns out that the, especially when they were pregnant with boys, they were disproportionately
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affected by endocrine disruptors, which are in everything from like receipts we're picking
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up to our shampoo, to our lotion, plastic in our water bottles, et cetera.
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And, um, in addition to boys being born with lower, what's called anal genital distance taint,
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um, when they were age seven, eight, they had lower, we'll say gender dimorphic, lower boy
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So they were actually acting less like boys when they were older.
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So we're seeing a whole generation of young men who've been affected essentially by pollutants
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in our environment, who, who knows how else this is showing up, probably infertility things
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like Malcolm alluded to, but I, I, you know, I think that this should be reframed.
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It's also, we have to look at who deserves the future because those who show up for the
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That's, you know, society is built by those who show up and those women and men who choose
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to have families and who choose to raise kids are those who deserve the future.
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And we are here because people who deserved the future chose to represent themselves in it.