Modern Women Are Poor with Keeping Relationships
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Summary
In this episode, the brother and sister duo of the discuss the new movie, Blackish and what it means for women and their relationships. They also discuss why women should date men who have dated women in the past and why men should date women who have not dated before.
Transcript
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Panther, those call her friends, is exactly what we're talking about.
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Dudes do not talk to their male friends like that.
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Men code switch because women can't handle the truth.
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Chief Keefe, and that's why women deserve less.
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Pearl, I asked what parent takes criticism better.
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Zero, Fallout 1, the problem is women go on to marry the stable guy.
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Like now with Tommy, are you in touch with him at all?
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I mean, text here and there, nothing too crazy.
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I mean, he's married and happy and she's good to him.
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And I totally support that and think that's great.
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So, I mean, I hate to be annoying and going through this again.
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But I respect their relationship and just glad he's happy and he has somebody in his life.
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And I think that this movie, too, is kind of like a love letter to their parents.
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And I thought that was kind of cute and kind of charming and really, you know, Brandon is very artistic and really wanted to show the story from a real, true, authentic perspective.
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And sometimes I found myself going, I wonder if I said to Pam, well, do you have any regrets?
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Like, do you think there were certain things in life or would you just do it all over the same exact way?
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Was it a fun ride or was it tragic or miserable?
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I mean, I just feel like it was just this wild, wild ride.
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I bought the house of my grandmother and I'm living in it.
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And I'm looking at my life from the same place my feet touched the ground when I was a baby.
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Do you think women learn from their mistakes typically?
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Maybe they have to be repeated again and again to learn, I think.
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Yeah, it's difficult to learn things from the first time of making a mistake.
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I think it depends on the woman and where she is in her life.
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Do you think in general women learn from their mistakes or no?
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Yeah, I feel like in terms of learning your mistakes as well, it comes into growing up and your age and stuff.
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Like the same chances I would have given someone, I don't know, a few years ago, I wouldn't give them now.
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I mean, take me quicker to learn than it would have before.
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Yeah, I think it definitely depends on where you are in your stage of growth and what you have experienced before and how you've reflected on that.
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Do you think men should date women that have dated bad boys in the past?
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Do you think that men should date women that have dated bad boys in the past?
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I think they might have an attitude, women who date bad boys in the past.
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In general, I think that there are pros and cons to it.
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I think from for a man who has dated for a man who dates a woman who has dated a bad boy in the past
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You would hope or you would think that she would learn from the mistakes of the bad boy and appreciate the good guy
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Right, and then on the flip side of that. I guess it's there's a positive
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There is a negative because a guy who dates a woman who has dated a bad boy before she will have this
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Trauma this trauma or she may bleed on him when he didn't cut her if that makes sense
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So I feel like there's pros and cons to it. It's like almost the men of the future have to pay for the mistakes of her past
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I feel like everybody has to pay for the mistakes of people's past if you're not healing from it
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I mean, I'm sure we've all at some point had a guy that's like trying to go through your phone because some girl cheated on him before
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Taking your thumb and unlocking your phone when you're sleeping. Yeah, all of that stuff experienced it all
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Yeah, I think it's more high risk for a guy obviously to get involved woman that's had a
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Part a bad past but a lot of men do like to play the hero
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Hmm, you know what I feel like I feel like even though sorry
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Funny enough even though men come across with the stronger personalities than us
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I feel like when it comes to relationships and being emotional I feel like they are kind of more fragile in the sense where you
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One woman will hurt a man and it will stay with him for his whole life
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Whereas with a woman even though we do get hurt and it will take us a while to get over it
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We're not gonna portray that in every single situation
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But their demeanor will change like the way they act and the way they actually carry themselves will change because of one relationship
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So do you think that men are not as resilient as women or do you think that?
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That men in certain situations allow themselves to be vulnerable allow themselves to trust a woman and she shits on it
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And that's why it hits him just as hard because he that is not a man's default necessarily
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Maybe they just learn what works and what doesn't you know men are problem solvers
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So if they treat a woman like a queen and she treats him like shit, and then they realize oh if I if I treat her worse
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She treats me better. Do you know what I think? I think
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When it comes to thinking I think men think with logic women obviously you think of emotion
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I feel like emotionally it's easier to heal yourself
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Than logically because I feel like logically you're gonna be thinking okay, so the past two women did this to me
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I need to now watch out for this in the third one. Whereas where
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Certain women are emotional. It's gonna be I don't know. They're gonna be more prone to forgive
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If that makes sense. I find it and to move on if that also makes kind of sense. Yeah, no, it does make sense
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I I totally I get where you're coming from and I definitely think that women wouldn't you know
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It's biology women operate from you know the emotional side and men tend to operate from the logical side, but I
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Think that I don't know. I'm definitely an emotional woman
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I feel everything very intently, but my experiences have led me to be very logical in my decision-making
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Right, so it's like I can sit around and I can be upset that my relationship ended or let's say hypothetically a guy cheated on me
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Right. I can sit around and oh my god, but I just feel so worthless. What was it or I can okay cool. Look
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Oh, all right, that's not really the best example to give but you can look at something logically and be accountable and
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Forgive yourself and then you don't need to chase the whole emotion thing if that makes sense the whole yeah
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I kind of know where I was going with but I don't know
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I hear what you're saying, but at the same time
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I feel like cool in the same situation where we would be on the emotional side of things like I've been a guy will now be logically thinking
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Now I'm gonna do this to prevent this from happening again
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And now he's gonna start building up that kind of themselves that kind of wall you get it
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So it's gonna be a thing where now maybe he didn't use to act like this before
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But he acts like this now because of what he's been through, but it's not necessarily emotional
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Not necessarily emotional. It's now kind of wired into his brain. It's like a problem-solver. Yeah, it's a problem-solver
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So this was the problem and this is how I'm gonna solve the problem by not letting anyone else in
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So I can get the youngest hottest women by treating them like shit
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Because that's what they want or that's at least what they're alluding to what they want
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Yeah, I think the only extra exception to that about talking about exes is when a man has been divorced
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I think that they do that that really plays on their mind and that that's very difficult for them to move past
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What is one thing that you did wrong that contributed to your last relationship or a relationship ending and you cannot say
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I just overlooked a red flag. I can take this one, okay
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I was a coward in my last relationship. I will own that hundred percent
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I was a coward and I was scared and I wasn't honest and I was
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I think if I hadn't have been so cowardly in the last year of our relationship
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We would have parted it wouldn't we wouldn't have had the war that we had if I was braver
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Mm-hmm and I weren't so scared of the repercussions
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Yeah, okay. I'll own that. I know that this is gonna make me sound really bad, but there it goes
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That one I'm not entirely sure if this was the real reason or it was an excuse for him
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But what ended up happening was long and short of it at the start of the relationship
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He cheated on me and then he came back asking me to marry him and then I actually said yes
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Mm-hmm I don't feel like marriage is where we're at right now
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And it was it actually did become a bit of an on-and-off relationship actually I said I haven't done enough
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Break up for a few days and back together, you know a lot like a long period and the last time that he came back
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Right, you know, let's get back on together and I said actually someone previously that I dated had got back in touch with me
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And we had arranged to meet up for a drink and I honestly said actually I'm not ready to get back for you yet
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That I just actually want to see whether or not I still feel anything towards this person and that was kind of a
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Big smash to his ego and he for him. That was the final straw
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Okay, so you saw an ex while you guys were dating
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No, once we'd broken up, and I thought it was the end. I somebody from my past had reached out to me
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So so I don't know what was the what were you what's your accountability for the demise of your last relationship?
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Maybe because he wanted to feel like I was the one and only man ever for him and that I wasn't looking at another option
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No, but you're talking about him. What was your accountability?
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Well, by showing that I still wanted to explore other options I guess
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Okay, I don't know if I was wrong for that. Maybe not. I'm confused because I thought that was after you guys broke up
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Or you were together. So it was on he kept breaking up with me and then getting back together like a week later
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Okay, so in between that so the time that yet she came back and said okay, let's get back together
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I said well in the interim period once you when you broke up with me
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My ex got in touch and I'm arranging to meet up with him
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So before that like what do you think contributed to him like breaking up with you?
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Insecurity because I called off the engagement okay, and he felt that I didn't forgive him for the cheating I guess
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Okay, not being able to let things go. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead
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What was the question again? What is something that contributed to your last relationship ending?
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Um that that you did that I did yeah, and you can't say I ignored red flags
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What happened was that's what we all know. I was very young my I've only had two boyfriends
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Think because I have like a real passion for something as well, and I studied it when I was in secondary school
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Oh, obviously I had to go home because it was long distance of FaceTime him and it was quite a lot
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Especially when you have to wake up at like six in the morning every single morning and then train
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Think it was quite natural. I think it was just like I can't do this anymore
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I'm also a bit young for you and I don't know what I want
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I if anything I just kind of wanted to focus on what I was doing
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Because so you just weren't that invested in the relationship. Yeah, I think in the end at the start
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I've really was and then I just thought also am I
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Like just in this to just be in this because I did have such a deep feeling for him, but
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know what it was really I don't know whether it was just I
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Yeah, you're only 21 or 22. Yeah, 21 everyone's like she's only a two boyfriends. Oh my gosh, she's 21
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What I can say is in my last relationship. I think that
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During the um the time of my relationship. I was obviously young
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So I used to be like a bit of a doormat in a way. I used to kind of let this guy get away with whatever he wanted to and
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Just kind of accept things and like overlook a lot of things
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So when it came towards the end, it was because I've now made this thing in the relationship where it's okay to do what you're doing
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So now when I've actually tried to come and talk back and like try actually stand up for myself
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Because towards the end I felt like I matured a bit and I knew what I kind of wanted
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And when he was doing certain things I'll tell him and then that's when things started to kind of backfire
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And when I started to see the real toxic side of this man
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It's only because I had allowed him to kind of walk on me in the first place and not really value myself that much
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In order to tell him no like towards the end when I actually did decide to tell him stuff like no
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He wouldn't have it. So your accountability is you let him be toxic. No. Well, yes
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Like it was me not really standing up for myself. Were you being toxic too? No
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So you weren't being toxic. I promise you. But he was being toxic very much and that's your accountability
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You let things go, you let things go too easy. Yeah, like I let things go too easy. I didn't fight for nothing
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I was just being a doormat. I used to let this guy just walk all over me like it's nothing and I wasn't really standing up for myself
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If that makes sense. So so your your your accountability is you let him be toxic. Well, yeah
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I say that. Yeah, because maybe if you didn't. Say it with your chest. All right
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Yeah, no, because every time you say something and you repeat what I'm saying, I'm thinking it. Hmm. Oh, yeah
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I'm just repeating what you said cool and less words. Okay, go ahead
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I feel like and okay the way that I've been the most toxic I guess is by
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Making decisions that I know how it's gonna go and I know it's gonna go badly for both of us
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It's like I could easily choose not to but I'm just like
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Maybe I want to see if I still have a hold over this guy or what I can still do kind of thing
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Be like and then I'm halfway through the decision. I'll be like I already knew that
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It was gonna play out this way. So why did I do it kind of thing?
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I'm sorry. This is so broad. I'm just trying to understand
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So for example, for example, um, we may have had an argument and
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Um, we're not talking for a few days and I'll be like
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I know that, you know, maybe we should break off the relationship
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But I just want to see if I still have this hold over this guy
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So I want to call him and be like, oh, um, let's go out and do something and then
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See if he's going to react in a way where it's like, yes
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And if you don't react in a way, that's yes, and I'm gonna be like, why?
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Because then I want to feel like I don't have that hold over you and that's really toxic because I know
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It's really freaking toxic because I know that, um
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So you're waiting to break up with him until you felt like you've had him
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No, no, no, no, no, because it's not a thing where I didn't have him. Um, I would always like we we have a connection
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Like we've got that hold over each other, but I feel like maybe I was being insecure or something
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When we had an argument or something like that and I would I was thinking to myself, you know what?
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Maybe we should break up. Maybe um, this relationship isn't right for us. I'd be like
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I don't know how he now feels maybe he wants to call it quits as well
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And I don't I've never had someone break up with me
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So I'm always the one that makes me sound like such a cat, but I've always been the one doing the breaking up
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So if I feel like oh, you know what we've had this argument and now you might want to break up with me
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Contacting you and seeing what's up and then if you don't want to break up with me, that's cool
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I still know that you know, it's all good and if I wanted to break up with you, I could
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I feel like what you're saying is you like playing the game. Yeah, you was being hella toxic
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Yeah, I used to I used to be a very toxic very very toxic person
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I feel like that's why now I can sit back and be like
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There's a way to go about and not because I don't know it's just no more
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Do you feel like men are aware of how toxic women can be?
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Yeah, but I I say these things and I just maybe I I don't know but I I don't know like every single man
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This is why you know, you know your female friends, right?
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And you know how they interact with their boyfriends and I'm sure you I'm sure you know one or two that's toxic, right?
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Do you think their boyfriend's aware? I don't think my closest of friends any of them are toxic
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Because I think their aim is to not be but I'm sure do you know a toxic girl anywhere?
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Yeah, okay, so do you think their boyfriends know?
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Yeah, I think maybe they just they just ignore it put up it depends how toxic you want to be
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Because maybe he I don't know if she could be toxic on one specific thing
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I can't think of one at the top of my head, but maybe that have you ever heard of a boy?
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That's like um, I don't know he finds it attractive when a woman is like really gets hot-headed on something
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Hot-headed, but you know what I mean? Yeah, like or I don't know
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I feel you but I feel like this is why the game is called the game because everyone's always trying to one-up each other
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But also, I don't understand how people have the energy for that
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I know it's so draining because I've seen like one of my girls
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I love her purity. Can we just say like she's like oh, I just I don't know
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I love it. Honestly, yeah, there are so many other things you could be doing in that time run yourself a bath
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Half swipe it and don't reply to me now people have the energy to put up quotes to do all of this
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Yeah, but you know the thing where people like message each other pretend not to see it for hours. Just open it
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I do that yeah, but it's not even me being toxic. It's just me not being asked
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People are like yeah, but I'm not gonna open it yet
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Have you guys ever told a guy that a girl was being toxic?
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Have you ever had to tell a guy that like a guy friend brother? Yep. Yep. Hell yeah. What happened? Oh
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When I think about it guys kind of get sucked in like we do because he didn't leave her straight away
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He knew that she was being toxic. He was like I know they like saying this. I know I know I know
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I can't lie until he went to jail and then he realized like all right let's go
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So she she was the toxic one, but he went to jail
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Listen good people go to jail. I'm gonna tell you this for free
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You can be good-hearted and you can be doing some stuff. That's obviously not the best
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Yeah, but you still are doing something illegal
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Okay, cool, but good-hearted people can do illegal stuff at one time slavery was legal remember that
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I'm just telling you like cool. You can't judge people all the time based off the life choices that they've made or
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I do I do judge people based on the choices they make
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I judge people based on their personality and and the traits that they have
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If someone went to jail for armed robbery, I shouldn't judge them
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Okay, but are you gonna are you gonna judge people for trying to make a living for themselves in a world that's not giving them an opportunity?
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I have no sympathy if you're born in the west. I'm sorry
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I know people that really had no opportunity that are born in third-world countries
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That that literally had zero opportunity. So if you're born in the west, I have no sympathy
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Fair enough. I think people should be responsible for their their actions for sure and be aware of the repercussions that are going to happen
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But to bring it back to the question about toxic women
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um, yeah for sure my brother dated a girl and um
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She was very demanding. She was very problematic
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She would do things to get a reaction out of him
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Like I don't know they might have like a small disagreement over like the smallest thing
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And later on in the day she's posting the subliminals and she's going out and she's you know
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Just all of this triggering shit that she knew excuse me that she knew would get a reaction from him
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But it wasn't a positive reaction and you know in some cases
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People act out and it's like any reaction is better than no reaction in some cases
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But actually maturity and that non-toxic stuff is acting in a positive way
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Like she could have got he's a she could have resolved
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Some issues a lot easier, but she chose to be problematic
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But there's ways to burn people without burning yourself because I know why are we burning people?
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No, but that what I'm trying to say is like cool for example one of my girls
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I know we used to maybe like go out or something
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She'll purposely make sure she's doing something that the guy that she's involved with is gonna see
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So that he'll get mad and then when he gets mad now they're both arguing and it's just
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If you want to like if you want him to burn just leave him you get me just leave him alone
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And that's why I think like at the end of the day if I want someone to burn
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If I want someone to just not feel my presence no more, they're not gonna feel it
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They're gonna be there on my subscribe and they're gonna be watching my story burning
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But I've got no involvement you can't message me you unsubscribe you get it
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But the thing is why just not block or just unfollow?
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Oh no because honey, I like to I like them to see what I'm doing
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No, because it's like now you know what you lost
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I don't care if you're done. That's why I deleted them
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No, but you're just talking about it. You just said I want them
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Yeah, you just said you just wanted them to see it
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Okay, I can't repeat what you said. So it's like cool. It's like cool. You know when people say like cool
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The people that hate you in life like you want them to basically see you go far, right?
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I just don't. I don't care if they see me go far or they see me go nowhere
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It's not a thing where you care or not, but it's like a thing where like at the end of the day
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If you're gonna see me doing anything, it's gonna be something without you
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Like you might not care or not. It's everyone's each opinion
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But my opinion is I can't lie when people because I know I've got people who don't like me
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I've got people who hate me and you can hate me from over there
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I'm not gonna acknowledge you, but I know in the back of my head like you can hate me
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But you're gonna see what I'm doing good and you're gonna see that I'm doing okay
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Don't mean I'm gonna come message you and show you like I'm doing this I'm doing that
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But when you see me here, you're gonna be burning in you
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And that's better than me going back and forth with someone and me having an altercation with someone
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I'd rather them just see me doing good and that's there you get it
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I think that no because sometimes when I'm saying things
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I was just explaining what I kind of meant behind what I said
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Because sometimes when you say things bluntly like
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You don't always understand it, but I'll just explain it
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I was just gonna say I feel like um a lot of toxic behaviors come from ego and all these kind of things and
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When you're with someone who is exhibiting these kind of behaviors
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You can kind of see that ego seeping out in other areas of life
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So I feel like unless you're really blinded by your emotions
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You're gonna be able to see that oh, you know what?
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Maybe my partner is being a bit toxic or whatever
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You for whatever reason you want to stay in that kind of situation or you might find it hard to leave or whatever
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Like you take your time to leave or you just don't
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Yeah, I actually really don't like this word toxic
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I feel like it gets thrown about the place too much
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I just think it's just people understand it as so many different things and so what is toxic?
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How do you summarize what's toxic to you might not be toxic to somebody else?
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I just think it's a it's one of those words social media everyone's jumped on it now
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Everything's toxic toxic masculinity toxic femininity toxic behaviors
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Actually, why don't we just call it for what it is?
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You're a shitty person. Yeah, you're you know, whatever you're arrogant or you haven't whatever your ego
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Tistically motivated or whatever it is. I just I think we use it as like a filler word
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Yeah, to summarize like loads of unnecessary things
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Yeah, I think there's got to be context behind any particular behavioral trait that someone's displaying
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You know, I think that a lot of people because they're that they will use the word
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to almost not explore the actual context behind it and
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But sometimes people just don't wanna that they don't want to spend their energy explaining why somebody's the way they are
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But I just want to find a word to describe to you like this person is
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You know, even when you know friends come to relationship advice now, it's like oh, these are red flags
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I think when you've got like say if you've got a boyfriend
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And then you've got like multiple boys on snapchat
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Yeah, I always think as well if you don't want him doing it, why are you doing it?
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If you don't want her doing it, why are you doing it?
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I think of a red flag and a woman is a woman who has a girl woman whatever who has loads of male friends
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Yeah, yeah, because that shows me that she will be comfortable in in that sort of
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Okay, great. She's she's great. She connects with the guys whatever
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I'm not saying that she must have multiple, you know, the whole handful of friends
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Do you think it's a red flag if a woman is slept with a lot of men?
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Yes, a little bit because it's like a little bit a little bit because as many of you know
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