JustPearlyThings - August 08, 2023


Modern Women Claim To Be INDEPENDENT


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Length

16 minutes

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211.01875

Word Count

3,571

Sentence Count

308

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm curious, how important is money to you guys in a relationship, a man's money?
00:00:04.540 I don't think money's necessarily, it's like drive and ambition is sexy.
00:00:07.640 So you can be a gardener, but if you want to be the best gardener, and that's like the drive and ambition.
00:00:13.640 So he's making £25,000 a year as a gardener, you don't care?
00:00:17.160 No, not anymore.
00:00:18.940 But when you were younger, you did?
00:00:20.680 Quite possibly.
00:00:21.580 Okay.
00:00:22.380 I've got like a deeply personal story to talk about with regard to the birth control thing.
00:00:26.720 I wasn't going to talk about, but I will.
00:00:30.000 My ex-husband, this happened to him, what happened to, that we've been talking about.
00:00:35.060 He met a person after we split up, she got herself pregnant, he now has a baby that he didn't want.
00:00:41.280 And yeah, so there's also the ripple effects.
00:00:44.380 So I've got two daughters, they now have a brother that they don't know about.
00:00:48.340 So it's not just about those two people and that baby, there are ripple effects.
00:00:53.360 So I think my view is that men should have a choice.
00:00:58.260 I think the baby should be in the world.
00:01:00.000 So they get, they can, not the way we can be in the world, but then you can't, so you
00:01:05.060 can, the baby, if she wants to have the baby, that's her choice.
00:01:08.940 Meet the baby, then decide if you want to be in the baby's life.
00:01:11.600 How has that affected your family?
00:01:14.260 Currently, not, sorry, that's probably not the right sound to make.
00:01:19.400 My girls don't know.
00:01:20.960 So they're too young.
00:01:21.940 Oh, they don't have any idea.
00:01:23.800 No.
00:01:25.320 But obviously it's, yeah, it's got a ripple effect onto everyone.
00:01:32.840 Did that happen like while you guys were together?
00:01:35.040 Literally straight after.
00:01:36.280 Wow.
00:01:37.060 Yeah.
00:01:38.300 Would you ever think about getting back with him?
00:01:40.220 No, no, but not for that reason.
00:01:41.940 No, no.
00:01:42.720 There was reasons why it ended in the first place, but yeah, I mean, that's definitely a,
00:01:45.940 like a seal the deal kind of situation.
00:01:49.240 But yeah, so I do think men should get the choice because I think if he had the choice,
00:01:54.080 then.
00:01:55.280 And what did she do?
00:01:56.180 She lied?
00:01:56.660 She poked a hole in the condom or she lied?
00:01:58.680 I think, I don't know the ins and outs.
00:02:00.920 That's really bad terminology, but no, I think she's told him that she couldn't get pregnant,
00:02:06.840 but I mean, he was a 40 year old guy.
00:02:08.380 He could have used a condom.
00:02:09.560 He's not 16.
00:02:10.680 He doesn't know what's going to happen.
00:02:11.880 I think she said it wasn't her time in the month to get pregnant, like the three day thing
00:02:14.660 that you're saying from the narrative that I've been told.
00:02:16.820 But he's a 40 year old guy.
00:02:20.720 He should, if you definitely don't know you don't want to have a baby and you definitely
00:02:23.880 know you can, use protection.
00:02:26.460 Can I ask you a question?
00:02:27.540 Of course you can, babe.
00:02:28.240 You know, when you say it happened just after like you split, do you, do you have any feeling
00:02:33.720 that it could have been happening just before that happened?
00:02:36.240 Quite possibly.
00:02:37.320 Okay.
00:02:38.020 Yeah.
00:02:38.300 The timeframes are all, I'm told what I'm told.
00:02:41.020 Yeah.
00:02:41.300 Yeah.
00:02:41.620 When you said, um, drive and ambition.
00:02:46.180 Um, so what, what about you guys?
00:02:48.940 Um, is how important is money to you guys?
00:02:52.260 I think it's important, but I don't know if I'm just saying that because like I'm younger
00:02:55.320 than everyone, like me personally, like I feel like at this age that I want to go out,
00:03:00.580 I want to have fun and stuff like that.
00:03:02.040 But like, if I'm going to be in a relationship, then I feel like I want to be with somebody who
00:03:06.120 can live that life with me, like go on holidays and stuff like that.
00:03:09.440 Obviously when I'm older, you know, you want to be focusing on like investments and stuff.
00:03:15.280 You want to have a house, you want to have a car and stuff.
00:03:17.260 You want to be able to support yourself financially.
00:03:21.000 But I just feel like when you're my age, like I want to go on holiday.
00:03:25.420 I want to go party.
00:03:26.440 I want to, you know, buy all the expensive stuff, go shopping.
00:03:29.780 Cause I don't have any real responsibilities right now.
00:03:33.540 But yeah, for me, like if I'm going to be dating at this age, I want someone who can spend on me.
00:03:38.960 Do you, do you expect him to cover all the bills when you go out?
00:03:41.940 Not all the bills.
00:03:42.960 Like what percent?
00:03:43.960 I mean, give me specifics.
00:03:45.120 How, how often do you need to be taken out in a week?
00:03:47.720 Like, I don't mind like going out like once a week.
00:03:50.500 So once a week.
00:03:51.460 Yeah.
00:03:51.860 If we go out once a week, yeah, you want to take me out.
00:03:53.480 How expensive is the dinner?
00:03:55.820 If the, if the dinner's like.
00:03:57.580 I don't know how much it costs.
00:03:59.160 If the dinner.
00:03:59.880 Okay.
00:04:00.700 Let's, let's, let's just put it basic here.
00:04:03.000 Chick-fil-A?
00:04:03.300 If the, no, if the dinner is like.
00:04:05.660 No, I don't mind.
00:04:06.620 Like, I'm not fussy in it.
00:04:07.720 But like, if the dinner's like, we're going out to like an expensive place.
00:04:10.800 Say we're going to like Mayfair or something.
00:04:12.240 Like he can cover the bill.
00:04:13.300 But if it's like his birthday or something, I'll pay.
00:04:15.680 No, but I'm talking day to day.
00:04:17.000 So you, once a week, you expect Mayfair?
00:04:19.460 No.
00:04:19.960 Once a week.
00:04:20.740 Like we could do something basic.
00:04:22.300 I don't mind where we go.
00:04:23.080 Like, I don't mind just being around you.
00:04:24.420 But if we're going to go out and like get something, even if it's basic, like a McDonald's
00:04:28.320 or whatever, like you have to pay.
00:04:29.720 And if you lived with him, would you expect him to pay 100% of the bills?
00:04:33.460 No.
00:04:34.140 50-50?
00:04:35.160 No.
00:04:36.300 Like maybe like, yeah, maybe like 80-20 or like 70-30.
00:04:40.140 I feel like that's fair.
00:04:40.940 Cost of living in London is expensive.
00:04:43.580 I know.
00:04:44.360 But yeah, that's just how I feel.
00:04:45.800 Do you know how much he would need to make to do that?
00:04:48.900 Not really.
00:04:50.160 Like, I just feel like it just depends.
00:04:52.240 Like, if you're making like a lot of money, then I feel like it goes up.
00:04:57.260 Do you know what I mean?
00:04:57.560 Like, if you're making a lot of money, say I'm not making as much as you just yet, then
00:05:01.420 you want to live together, then maybe it's going to be like more.
00:05:05.600 Maybe like.
00:05:06.180 What do you mean?
00:05:07.440 Like, if we're living together and you're making more money than me at this age, like
00:05:12.420 say I'm still in uni, I'm not like actually working yet, but you want to live with me,
00:05:16.880 then I feel like the bills have to be more on your side.
00:05:19.920 Like, you have to support me until I'm on my own feet.
00:05:21.900 But if you were making more money, then you'd contribute.
00:05:23.640 So after you graduated university, you'd be like 50-50, sign me up.
00:05:26.940 Yeah, I'd actually like split 50-50.
00:05:29.440 If we're making around the same amount, we're both working and getting good pay, then 50-50
00:05:34.880 is fair.
00:05:35.620 What about height?
00:05:36.400 Is that important to you?
00:05:37.720 Yeah.
00:05:38.200 Because I'm like, I'm not like super tall, but I'm a tall girl.
00:05:40.980 Like, I'm 5'8".
00:05:41.760 So I don't want to be.
00:05:42.880 I get it.
00:05:43.180 I'm 6.
00:05:43.740 Yeah.
00:05:44.080 I get it.
00:05:44.720 I don't want to be with no one who's like short of me.
00:05:47.540 Like, I feel like height.
00:05:48.320 5'7"?
00:05:49.400 No.
00:05:50.020 5'10"?
00:05:51.480 No.
00:05:52.320 Okay, 6 foot?
00:05:53.280 6 foot, yeah.
00:05:53.840 6 foot and up?
00:05:54.680 6 foot and up, yeah.
00:05:55.940 Okay, so what if he's, so how old are you again?
00:05:58.380 I'm 19.
00:05:59.180 19.
00:05:59.680 Okay, so if he's, let's say 25, is that an okay age or is that too old?
00:06:04.380 What, for me?
00:06:05.140 Yeah, for you.
00:06:05.640 That is too old.
00:06:06.440 Too old?
00:06:06.900 Okay.
00:06:07.660 Okay, let's go down.
00:06:08.900 22?
00:06:11.100 Maybe 21.
00:06:12.180 21.
00:06:12.440 21, okay.
00:06:12.880 He works at Tesco, you cool with that?
00:06:16.200 No.
00:06:16.900 No?
00:06:17.440 Ooh.
00:06:18.380 He's only 21.
00:06:19.780 He's just starting off.
00:06:20.740 You know what?
00:06:21.320 If he works at Tesco, but he has ideas of going somewhere else, then that's fair.
00:06:26.080 But if you're working at Tesco, then Tesco's the only place you have your mind set.
00:06:30.180 Like, this is the only way I'm going to get money, cool, I'm just going to stay here.
00:06:33.320 Then it's a no from me.
00:06:34.640 Okay, so is there a dollar amount that he has to be at?
00:06:38.140 Hmm.
00:06:38.720 I'm just trying to paint, so he's a 6 foot guy.
00:06:40.980 Maybe I know someone, you know?
00:06:42.240 Maybe I meet a lot of people on the show.
00:06:45.880 Not really.
00:06:46.760 Like, as long as we can be financially stable, do you know what I mean?
00:06:50.200 Like, if we're cool, we can afford to, like, do the grocery shopping and stuff like that.
00:06:54.200 Like, all the luxury stuff, like, it comes as a bonus.
00:06:57.720 Do you get what I'm saying?
00:06:58.880 But, like, you know.
00:07:00.240 So, at this age, it sounds like looks are more important to you than money.
00:07:04.500 Yeah.
00:07:05.000 Because the height thing seemed more important.
00:07:06.880 You seem more fussed about the height than the money.
00:07:08.900 Yeah, like, I feel like for me personally, like, if I'm in a relationship with someone
00:07:13.320 right now, like, if we go out, I can pay for them.
00:07:16.780 Do you know what I mean?
00:07:17.200 Like, I can treat them how I want them to treat me.
00:07:20.840 But I feel like as well, if you're going to be in a relationship with someone, you have
00:07:24.700 to be attracted to them.
00:07:26.060 Like, that's the bottom line.
00:07:26.920 And I feel like, obviously, everyone's on this, oh, love is blind, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:30.300 But, like, for me, like, I'm not going to be with someone who I'm not attracted to.
00:07:33.680 That's just how it is for me.
00:07:35.340 It's crazy, though.
00:07:36.760 It's true.
00:07:37.200 You ever look at super rich guys?
00:07:40.060 Jeff Bezos.
00:07:41.640 I look at him, and I'm not actually attracted to him, but he's rich.
00:07:44.560 So, girl, I'm telling you, money gives girls glasses.
00:07:50.220 You'd be surprised.
00:07:51.340 Okay, so you seem like you cared also more about looks or money?
00:07:58.140 Just because you said you didn't care about money earlier, I'm assuming you care more about
00:08:01.320 looks, but I could be wrong.
00:08:02.560 I think it's, like, looks and being attracted to someone can be quite different.
00:08:06.980 You can be attracted to someone by someone's aura and how they move and stuff like that.
00:08:10.240 I think you can, looks fade, and it's just the way someone holds themselves, their presence
00:08:16.520 and stuff like that.
00:08:17.080 You could, like, look at them and not necessarily think they're attractive, and in five minutes
00:08:20.660 you're, like, I'm in.
00:08:22.760 So, like, pretty eyes is enough.
00:08:24.820 Okay, so looks is more important than money, or money is more important than looks?
00:08:29.140 No, I think, like, presence and vibe is more important than either of them.
00:08:32.300 So charisma?
00:08:33.080 Yeah, that's a better word.
00:08:34.480 You're, like, charismatic guys.
00:08:35.960 Yes, exactly.
00:08:36.980 Okay, what about you?
00:08:40.240 How tall does he have to be?
00:08:42.540 Well, I'm 5'5", so, do you know what it is, yeah?
00:08:45.240 I've actually dated a couple short guys, so I can't even talk too tough, I can't lie.
00:08:48.840 But, I'd say, like, obviously, I'd want him to be either my height or just a little bit
00:08:53.180 taller.
00:08:53.860 To be honest, I don't really want a tall, tall guy, because, like, if he's moving a bit
00:08:57.400 mad, I need to be able to bad him up just a little bit, do you know what I mean?
00:09:00.340 Can't be feeling a bit.
00:09:01.840 Wait, if he, wait, say that again.
00:09:03.320 No, sorry.
00:09:04.140 Sorry, wait, wait, wait.
00:09:05.040 Ha ha.
00:09:05.360 Ha ha.
00:09:06.520 No.
00:09:07.760 So, if he's moving a bit mad, you need to, like, humble him?
00:09:11.160 Just a little bit, do you know what I mean?
00:09:13.140 Okay, so.
00:09:13.760 I'm going to need a frying pan.
00:09:14.720 So, let's say he's 5'7".
00:09:16.900 He's 5'7", he's feeling himself, what are you doing?
00:09:21.340 What do you mean, feeling himself, like he's being rude?
00:09:23.520 I guess, I don't know, whatever, you're just, can you give me a situation?
00:09:27.520 I'm going to cuss him or something, do you know what I mean?
00:09:29.000 But I'm saying, if I had a 6'5 guy, right, or 5'7", like I said, that's quite tall, actually,
00:09:32.660 yeah, 5'7", and then.
00:09:34.460 No, it's not.
00:09:35.360 I'm going to go for 6'5".
00:09:36.540 And then he's, like, he's, I don't know, say I caught him, I don't know, cheating, or
00:09:39.780 just something mad, or, like, he's just, he's sexting women.
00:09:44.260 Okay, has this happened?
00:09:46.140 No.
00:09:46.600 Okay.
00:09:47.260 No one's been brave enough.
00:09:48.180 Okay, so 5'7", guys sexting other girls.
00:09:50.860 Yeah, I've just got, I watched Tyler Perry, yeah, one of their Madea movies, and it's
00:09:55.060 stuck with me since, and I took it, I said, God bless me with this, because, basically,
00:09:59.780 he was cheating, and, like, she had kids with him and stuff, do you know what she done?
00:10:03.600 She put on lingerie, he came up from his business trip, weren't no business trip, right, he
00:10:07.980 was with another woman, but she thought he didn't know.
00:10:11.120 And then, she, like, basically, said, like, she got the shower running for him and everything,
00:10:15.460 she took everything out of the bathroom, she put baby oil on the floor, so he would slip
00:10:19.180 and slide, and then she just, like, whipped him with his belt.
00:10:22.620 I said, yeah, I'm taking that one for the books.
00:10:24.880 Okay, so if he's 5'7", you're going to, oh, I don't need to do that.
00:10:28.460 You're going to, so if you catch him cheating, you're going to essentially abuse him.
00:10:32.120 Well, I wouldn't sound bad.
00:10:33.240 Imagine if a woman did that, or a man did that to a woman.
00:10:37.340 I wouldn't say I'm going to abuse him, I'm just giving you an analogy, obviously, I need
00:10:39.860 to be able to kind of just put a little bit of fear, like, bro, this is just major disrespect.
00:10:44.300 You think, okay, you think a guy who most men can beat you up easily.
00:10:49.180 Yeah, agreed.
00:10:50.200 He's going to be afraid of you.
00:10:51.880 No, that's why I need the baby oil.
00:10:54.380 Because he ain't afraid of me.
00:10:56.060 Okay, okay, so, but if he's 6'0", what's the difference?
00:11:02.420 I don't know, he's just mad to, like, yeah, he could just literally just pick me up on my neck, like, just whoop.
00:11:08.500 Okay, so, all right, so, so you need to date the guy that's 5'7", so you can potentially, if he cheats on you,
00:11:15.660 hurt him in the shower by making him slip on baby oil.
00:11:19.560 No, no, no, that's not the concept, but what I'm trying to say is, is that I feel more comfortable.
00:11:22.920 I know, you're just trying to say back what I thought you said.
00:11:27.060 I'm just trying to give out that, basically, I just prefer not-so-tall men, because I find them sometimes intimidating.
00:11:33.140 That's all it is, and I feel like some men...
00:11:34.980 The tall men are intimidating.
00:11:36.420 Yeah, and I feel like sometimes, not saying a short man can't also be intimidating, or he can't have, like, mannerisms that make you feel intimidated,
00:11:43.540 but I'm just saying, off of looks, like you say, like, what you're attracted to and stuff like that,
00:11:48.660 that just kind of put me off if someone's, like, really tall for me.
00:11:51.140 Do you want a man that you can dominate?
00:11:53.700 No, not a man I can dominate, but I'd want a man that I feel like isn't going to give me a reason to want to dominate.
00:12:02.300 Okay.
00:12:03.060 Yeah.
00:12:03.700 So, if he's...
00:12:04.540 Do you think that a guy gets a little bit more freedom when he's taller?
00:12:08.820 Like, you'd let him get away with more?
00:12:11.440 Um, no.
00:12:12.440 He's better looking, taller?
00:12:13.980 No, you would treat them exactly the same?
00:12:15.500 No, I'd treat them exactly the same.
00:12:16.760 But only the baby oil for the 5'7".
00:12:18.900 I'm just putting out no disclaimers, guys.
00:12:21.600 Next minute now, please give me...
00:12:23.240 No, no, no.
00:12:23.700 I'm sorry.
00:12:24.260 I'm just going to say no.
00:12:25.420 I'm just going to have a little talk, pack my stuff, and I'm gone.
00:12:27.900 Okay.
00:12:28.260 So, it sounds like, would money be more important than looks to you?
00:12:33.220 I'd say money in a sense of ambition, because after ambition, the money will follow.
00:12:37.100 Yeah, well, ambition is money, though.
00:12:39.020 Ambition is just money later.
00:12:40.360 Yeah.
00:12:40.920 So, when girls say that, it's like...
00:12:42.480 So, I'm not going to go with the currency of money.
00:12:44.360 I'm going to go with the currency of ambition is a lot more important to me than the currency
00:12:48.080 of looks.
00:12:48.420 Okay.
00:12:48.680 So, if he's...
00:12:49.460 How old are you?
00:12:50.740 23.
00:12:51.420 Okay.
00:12:51.760 So, let's say 45-year-old guy.
00:12:55.200 Jesus.
00:12:56.240 He looks good, though.
00:12:57.400 He looks younger, all right?
00:12:58.740 Okay, right.
00:13:00.000 Be careful what you say about 40-year-olds.
00:13:01.480 I know, in it.
00:13:02.100 My mum will kill me.
00:13:02.920 But, but, but, but, and maybe, maybe you're a little older at this point.
00:13:06.940 Let's say, let's say you're, you're 30, right?
00:13:08.860 Okay.
00:13:09.400 But, he's got ambition, but he's 45, and he's ambitious.
00:13:13.880 Hmm.
00:13:14.060 I mean, he's only, he's had 25 years to be ambitious, you know?
00:13:20.620 Yeah.
00:13:21.560 I mean, I don't know.
00:13:22.560 So, it's, no, my only point is it is money.
00:13:25.060 It's just money later.
00:13:26.980 Maybe, yeah.
00:13:27.720 Okay, fair to see.
00:13:28.580 But, it's not from the, I'd say, like, from a, a bad perspective.
00:13:32.960 I'm, I'm looking at the money.
00:13:34.060 It doesn't, it doesn't have to be.
00:13:35.920 Yeah.
00:13:36.140 I mean, I think most of you, if you had daughters, would not want them to date completely broke
00:13:40.420 men, right?
00:13:41.440 Yeah.
00:13:41.580 It doesn't have to be a negative thing.
00:13:43.180 Yeah.
00:13:43.360 So, yeah, I'd say then money more than looks.
00:13:45.640 Yeah.
00:13:45.720 Money more than looks.
00:13:46.680 Okay.
00:13:47.540 Um, uh, what about you?
00:13:49.860 Um, money.
00:13:51.500 Definitely.
00:13:52.220 She's easy.
00:13:52.880 She's like, she's like, you don't have to go through this.
00:13:55.620 I am quite independent.
00:13:57.520 So, if you can't match me or hire, no, because I've been there, done that, you know, supported
00:14:03.620 my boyfriends when, you know, they had little struggles.
00:14:06.480 No.
00:14:07.160 So, for me, that's like a number one thing.
00:14:09.660 You have to have money.
00:14:11.440 You have to be stable.
00:14:12.540 And that's, that's just literally it.
00:14:16.220 Would you date a guy you weren't that attracted to, but he was more financially stable?
00:14:21.220 Um, I don't think so.
00:14:22.640 No.
00:14:23.760 Because I don't want his money.
00:14:25.880 I just want him to have his money.
00:14:28.120 So, for me.
00:14:29.200 But if you have your own money, what does it matter if he has money?
00:14:31.900 Because I don't want to be dipping in mine to give him.
00:14:34.420 Like, that's where it comes.
00:14:35.660 But he has to dip in his to give you when he takes you out on dates.
00:14:38.520 That's his choice.
00:14:39.500 You know, like, I'm not saying, oh, to be with me, you have to have money and pay all
00:14:43.620 the bills.
00:14:44.260 I'm not saying that.
00:14:45.120 I'm just saying that you need to have yours and I need to have mine and then we'll be
00:14:49.300 good.
00:14:49.640 So, it's not anything where I'm supporting you as a man.
00:14:53.920 You know, I have to look at the examples that my father has.
00:14:57.260 And my father, he's, he's secure in his bag.
00:15:00.620 You know, like.
00:15:01.660 I'm curious, and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to, do you make more
00:15:06.820 than $70,000?
00:15:08.240 No.
00:15:08.860 Okay.
00:15:09.440 So.
00:15:09.560 The acting's not working just yet, but give me the rest of 2023.
00:15:14.380 Okay.
00:15:15.080 But I'm the sort of person, I'm financially stable.
00:15:17.420 Like, I have savings.
00:15:18.900 You know, I have, like, money put to buy a house.
00:15:22.200 So, for me, I can go months without working and I'll be fine.
00:15:25.420 So, if I'm that sort of woman, then my partner needs to have some sort of stability or else
00:15:32.240 I'm, all the things that I've worked hard for, I'm now pouring into him.
00:15:37.820 And when you're in a relationship, you pour into your partner, but it has to be to a certain
00:15:42.580 extent, you know, I, you need to match me or else then there's issues financially.
00:15:47.940 If, if the woman's, you know, for me supporting the man constantly and I'm not getting any kind
00:15:53.760 of, like, what, what do I respect out of you as a man, if, if you're not even financially
00:15:59.680 stable and that sort of, you know.
00:16:01.920 What is financially stable to you?
00:16:03.580 Roughly how much?
00:16:05.080 Um, I wouldn't say you need to at least from, I don't look at it as yearly figures or at
00:16:12.260 least probably income of two and a half, three grand a month at least, at least because rent
00:16:18.820 is probably a grand, you know, your, um, utility bills, your, you know, all that stuff probably
00:16:27.080 takes up another 300 pounds.
00:16:29.060 So, so the remainder-
00:16:29.980 You said three grand?
00:16:30.980 At least two.
00:16:32.060 Okay.
00:16:32.560 Give me, give me, give me what you want.
00:16:33.560 Give me the, you're saying at least-
00:16:34.560 In my mind, in a real world?
00:16:36.620 Yeah.
00:16:37.620 Or in London living lifestyle?
00:16:39.460 No, I'm, I'm asking you, what do you want?
00:16:42.760 I want four grand.
00:16:44.860 Four grand.
00:16:45.360 Okay.
00:16:45.700 So what is that times 12?
00:16:48.460 Oh, that's 48,000 pounds.
00:16:50.160 Because it's easy for me to make four grand a month.
00:16:51.980 You get it.
00:16:52.420 So it needs to.