Modern Women Get PETTY with Men's Leadership Role in The Society
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In this episode, we discuss sexual harassment in the workplace and how to deal with it in general. We also discuss the difference between men and women when it comes to flirtation and sexual harassment. We discuss how to handle sexual harassment and what to do if you find yourself being sexually harassed.
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Plus a guy turns around starts rubbernecking, oh yeah, nice one.
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Rubbernecking is like a saying of like when a guy, you know, breaks his neck to like put jesters at a woman or just throw things out.
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Yeah, throw things out verbally, like messages, like whether you can say like a wolf whistle.
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There's so many different terminologies, but rubbernecking is a terminology, obviously catcalling is another terminology.
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Wait, what does the catcalling have to do with them?
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Catcalling is more a vocalization, whereas the rubbernecking is the turning of the neck.
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Not necessarily that's a bad or a good thing, but the point I'm trying to make is the advert was stating sexual harassment.
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And they were saying that basically within that situation, let me land quickly, the guy turned around and his friend basically was like to him, like, don't do that.
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Like, he stepped in and allowed him to like understand that maybe that woman might feel it's inappropriate.
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Maybe to his mind, he's just like, oh, what's your number? You look nice.
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Them jeans look tight or whatever he's going to say.
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To me personally, I've got a bit of a stronger exterior and interior.
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So those things don't really phase me depending on how I'm approached.
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But for another woman that's a bit more fragile than me, a bit less.
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It can be at times, but someone would accept that.
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Because the number one, like even with the workplace, the number one, before dating apps, the number one place that people would meet was work.
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So it's kind of confusing because sometimes girls are into it when their bosses hit on them.
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And other times, like girls actively seek out their bosses and try to sleep with them.
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For example, if there's a female who's interested in her boss, that's different to a female who the male manager needs to read the room that that colleague is not interested in.
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Do you think girls ever give mixed signals or flirt for attention?
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Like we have sexual attractions that we can, you know, sometimes put out consciously or unconsciously to male counterparts.
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And they can take it upon themselves to decide whether it's deliberate or, you know, she just accidentally walked past me and her bum was shaking.
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Was she shaking her bum when she was walking past me?
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But I'm saying like one girl, you know, he might turn and say, damn, and one girl might think that's disgusting and be traumatized.
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And one girl might be like, okay, you know, and so you don't think that's confusing for men?
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It can be, but I feel like that's where you then break the ice with vocalization.
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You start vocalizing like, Rah, do you, do you, you know, do you feel comfortable with what I'm saying?
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They just keep it at that level of, you know, snappiness.
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Like they're trying to be charming or witty or whatever it is where other guys have a bit more context to them.
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They will be like, you know, I would like to speak to you or, you know, I thought that comment would be, you know, something that would get your attention.
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Do you feel like you're being sexually harassed or maybe put upon?
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See, this is, so when you, so when a man moves to you, how does he grab your fire?
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I think, I think if you don't know how to approach someone, if you have to, if you, if I move
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up to a girl, I don't know and I'll grab her thigh.
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Carl just said a girl might accept that and another girl might not.
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No, I've never dealt with a guy that's ever done that.
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I'm giving experiences and obviously I've been in this lifetime for a while to have experiences
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You know, not necessarily every experience is my personal experience.
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It might be a bad curious experience through someone else's life, you know?
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So when we're talking about experience, let's try and keep to what we know, what's happened
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Because if I say, no, because when I say, okay, for example, when we say women, we say
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modern women, because we're not speaking about all women.
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Well, modern men, a lot of modern men are very forward, especially with the lifestyle
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and living that has been accommodated these days.
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They're very forward with their personas, should I say, the way they want to move.
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And I feel like they have to uphold a certain level of interaction to make it make sense in
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And they say that it needs to make sense in the actual physicality.
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So let me get back to what I was talking about.
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Like this is, I've always been this way before.
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But I'm going to say to men, the reason why, so we don't know what, for one woman,
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it's okay to, you know, pull up on and say, yo, do the whole Chris Brown thing.
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The whole nineties R and B, like pull up on the car.
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So it's pretty safe for me to say that if you want a man to come up to you, and this
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is what women used to do of old, you will let a man know.
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There's a lot of ways that a woman can let a man know that she wants him to come up to
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She can, you know, you, listen, we have all these women here.
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I'm sure if you want to let a man know to approach you, you know how to do it.
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You can look at a man, you can smile at a man, you can wink, you could even walk past
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him and drop something and make him pick it up and make him come to get it.
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Women know how to make a man know to approach you.
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That's the difference between a random girl walking past me and me trying to grab up her
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You're saying that a woman lets you know whether she's interested.
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So as a woman, yeah, as a woman, I don't even have to get to that point.
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And if you look at me in a way that you want to-
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Okay, so if I give you a look right now, that makes you feel like I like you.
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What is your overall experience with female leadership compared with male leadership in your industry?
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I don't care if you can't do something because you're on your period.
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It's extremely exhausting when, especially in a business place, we need to make decisions
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So, with women, I'm not saying they're not these things, but it takes them longer to make
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I'm not saying men don't have that capacity, but that capacity seems to be shorter, which
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I just prefer my feminine power to be, I feel like they need me and I need them.
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I don't even, just because his title is more, I'm like, I'm the underdog.
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I'm so confident in that fact of men needing women.
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I've had inappropriate on both ends, male and female.
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The female inappropriateness was the bullying, the patronizing, the being weird with other people and the gossiping.
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Like, why are you spreading these beautiful girls business?
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When I heard the statistics, it made sense to me.
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That's over 60,000, like 60,000 people took that.
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But inappropriate with the men, it's been flirting.
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Or sometimes it's just the inappropriateness for me is you're really chilling, like scratching your balls at the top because you're like, I'm the man sort of thing.
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Some people get to the top and start chilling and they just...
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Like, I'm not saying your job isn't to chill because you've worked your way.
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It should be smarter, not harder at that point.
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But I mean, scratching their balls is like taking a way too relaxed approach.
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Yeah, I've worked for just like two, but the inappropriateness was like one was really relaxed and just taking drugs.
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Because he's the boss and he's at the top, where I find women to be not more scared, but they would think in way more layers than to do that.
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Men is just like, I'm risking it for the biscuit.
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Even when you think about FMCG and you go above and a few levels and okay, there are less women there.
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I should put like five pound in a jar to tell everybody.
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And now I've done it just in front of many people.
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So you have to be able to make decisions quickly.
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I just feel like women are getting a really bad bum deal out of this.
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We're still dicks because we have to behave in the same way, but not the same way.
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Like, I just find that this whole dichotomy between men and women and like, if they're
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Well, I think what's interesting is that women, men, most men say they don't have a preference.
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It was like 50-50, where women say they don't like working for women.
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And maybe I have a difficulty with personal experience, but I've had a bad woman boss and
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I've had a bad man boss, but I've had lots of bosses and I've been a boss.
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And my personal experience is that if you're a dick, you're a dick.
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Well, yeah, I agree, realistically, on that point.
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Um, I have very limited personal experience, but, um, I've had, yeah, both.
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Like, realistically, in my experience, the female, like onsite manager was horrible.
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To be honest, I think it's just dependent on the person realistically, because there are
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different experiences from everybody here about a male manager being an appropriate female
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I know we're generalising, but I just think, yeah, it's dependent on the person realistically.
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But, uh, onsite female manager wasn't great, but it was personal.
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She was jealous in a way of different experiences.
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But, I do think if it was a different, um, experience with the...
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Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, it was, yeah, the experience was very, um, awkward between me and her.
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It became personal without me wanting it to be at all.
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Some people just, some people just, like, they don't care.
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Hey, um, I need you guys to stop with the side talking.
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Yeah, but realistically, my experience is more, and obviously, my female manager wasn't as good as the male.
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However, I don't think that can speak for everybody and a general experience of, is male management better than female?
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I mean, I don't have much experience, but, like, from what I've experienced, I definitely prefer, like, male leadership for sure.
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Because I feel, sorry, I feel like it's more of a relaxed environment.
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Like, with women, it's always, oh, this, this, and this, this, and that.
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We're all here for £10.50 an hour, like, we're not, like, you know, much different.
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So, like, like I said, I don't have much experience, but I definitely prefer male leadership.
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Do you guys think it's, um, offensive to make general statements about a gender?
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And I feel like there's a lot of, like, women bashing right now within the workplace.
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But if we look at it as well, you know, in history, the women went to work, what, sort
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And whereas we first had, you know, the women being the homeowner, uh, home-maker.
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But basically, when the women went into the workforce, sort of the family side of things
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That was also when divorce rates went up by, I think, like, 80% or something crazy like
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It was also after the development of birth control.
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I think if we're gonna be that particular, like, men are better than leaders, oh, where's
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So you're saying we should be able to say that?
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It's not calling anybody, hasn't got any references into anything graphic or inappropriate.
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If that's gonna be a problem, I'll arrest me now.
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We keep saying there are exceptions, and I'm like, I know there are exceptions.
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But, like, we can make general statements about...
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To be fair, though, I do think it depends on the topic with generalization.
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Like, the topics that we had before that were very, like, it can be very, yeah, touchy
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Like, when you were both going and talking about, like, the specifics of the numbers you
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were using, it can be dependent on the topic, really.
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But, yeah, with certain subjects, you have to be a bit more particular.
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I think nowadays, with the rise and evolution of feminism, more women who hear
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certain generalizations that don't necessarily paint women in a good light, will take umbrage
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They will be the ones to say something, you know, get triggered and want to kind of dispute
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Even if it's a factual thing, they will still say, I don't agree.
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So, statistically, there are more men in the workforce.
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Therefore, the statistics will lean better into their favor.
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So, in order to say that men are better leaders, numerically, they are better leaders
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The study I was saying was they picked female-led industries.
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If we don't go off of stats, what are we going to go off of?
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...is just how many people would actually fill out stuff to do with this.
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I'm just trying to reference what she's saying.
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So those people that would fill out a survey versus people that wouldn't fill out a survey.
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I just feel like sometimes we jump through hoops whenever women...
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I feel like we jump through hoops whenever women look bad.
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Like to somehow change the narrative for us not to look bad.
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But we can say women run the world and nobody even pushes back on that.
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So it's like, you have to understand, we can always...
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With statistics, okay, so men lie, women lie, numbers don't lie.
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But numbers can be manipulated depending on who's looking at them and what they wanted to say.
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But if we look generally how the world since the beginning of time has done censuses,
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then we take the majority or we take a slice of it and then we generalize, right?
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If we don't do that, we will never ever able to come to some type of like general, you know, decision on something.
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And this is what the world has been using since the beginning of time.
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From when Pontius Pilate had to go do censuses and go...
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Literally from them times there, from when the Passover was happening
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and they wanted to know how many people were inside each...
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From them times there, they'd be taking numbers down, yeah?
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Because you're speaking about before the dawn of time.
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That's the saying that a lot of people like to bring up from back in the day.
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Yeah, but for me it's like condition of the mind.
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So I believe that everything is like some form of like interjectory.
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If I'm always surrounded by male counterparts in power.
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If I'm always being told that a male is the one that's meant to hold me down.
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Like a male is meant to be, you know, my version of God essentially.
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Because he's meant to be my everything at this point.
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That we could have done it just like the men did it.
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But like, no, but wait, wait, but no, but no society that stood...
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No, no society that has stood the test of time was run by women.
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If men disappeared tomorrow, like the lights would go out.
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Where if women disappeared, they would be fine.
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But the point I'm trying to make is that imagine if you're only being surrounded by male energy.
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You're not going to know any difference to them.
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If you were forced to be in a female, you know.
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I'm talking about census and getting a demographic of people.
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I want to know how the fact that men, like men are there.
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Like what you say makes 60,000 women or the census say that actually working for women creates more problems.
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I want to know what has men done to make women say actually if I work for women, I don't actually like it as much.
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So of course women are going to have a better working experience working for men.
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And the statistic supports that that says that women prefer having a male as a boss.
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But the only difference is that women, women don't like working for women.
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I feel like men have a certain approach like we were saying.
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Women and men are very different in the workplace.
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And I feel like their approaches are different.
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So maybe males tend to like interact with women and they're more like, you know, they understand the nature of women.
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Hiring people has actually like kind of put me like understand like why there's more men and leadership positions and positions of power.
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Because I found like the best paid jobs and the high like jobs like women don't want to do because it's they're stressful.
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So my recruiting, my recruiter, like that's probably one of the highest paid jobs I have.
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That's a really hard job to get that many people in like what I need 20 to 50 girls four days a week.
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That's really hard and it's stressful because if you don't get me guests like the whole show fails.
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So it's it's paid well, but it's also high stress.
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But I had my roommate just I said you would make way more money.
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And when I and when I I brought the job to my team, no one on my team wanted to do it.
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And it's like they could make double what they're making at their jobs that they do.
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But that may be a little bit of law of average as well.
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Law of average of like obviously it would have been a waste of time and money.
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That's why you wouldn't have gone the route of law on average.
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But if you tried more and more girls, you would have stumbled across one that could handle it.
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But like I just think in general women don't want to do those jobs.
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Like women don't want the super high stress jobs.
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Like that's a six figure job you can do right away.
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How many of y'all want to go work on an oil rig?
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A lot of things were started from men doing a lot of, you know what I'm saying?
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I feel like we just don't want to do something that doesn't serve us well.
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I feel like for myself, I don't mind doing a job that can be a bit, you know, intense,
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I feel like some women they feel like they've been served well.
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So you could work, you could work on the nights on a train, engineering on a train,
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You can, there's nothing stopping you from doing that job.
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Nothing from, you can make a hundred K doing that job.
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It doesn't, how can a hundred K not serve you well?
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Not to say that a hundred K is not serving me well, but do I want to be bending and straining
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my back long term for how many years that's going to give me a long term, you know,
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But if we, but if we don't do, okay, wait, so let me do that.
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But if we don't do that job, if we don't do that job, you cannot catch a train.
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There's another guy that will, but you won't do it.
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No, but this is, this is, this is, this is, this is the point.
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When I said like met, like women don't want to build the world.
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Like in society, like you were saying it, it's cultural.
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And like, like, because women didn't see like women in positions of power, it's all influence.
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But I'm even today when we have every opportunity, women still don't want to do it.
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They don't want to do the hardest jobs, which, which put your body on the line.
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That's, that was one of the things that I did say.
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And even, even, I used to, I used to interview, there was, there was a point, there, there
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was a point where I interviewed top executives.
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And like, I talked to like top executives at billion dollar companies and you get to see
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the toll, like, cause they've been working 80, no on their face.
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They look so burned out because they've been working 80 hours a week for 30, 40 years.
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Can I just quickly say very, like, I think it's also, we need to acknowledge that it's sort
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of like a generational trauma thing because if you saw your dad working 80 hours and your,
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you know, that your granddad did that, and then that's the generation that you came from.
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Maybe not, not generational trauma, just a generational pattern, shall we say.
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But when you see, you know, because we lead by example as parents, so we sort of are conditioned,
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whether it's negatively or positively, to sort of go into the same sort of roles as our parents.
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It's when we break those patterns and go off and do different things that that's like a little bit strange.
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And I just, I, like, again, my dad has friends that are in similar fields and him, like, do as well as he does.
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And I'm just saying women, I promise women don't want to do these roles.
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Because, again, they've seen their generations of patterns with maybe, you know, the, the home.
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You know, they've seen the homemakers or they've seen, you know, their, their, the women in their family in certain roles.
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And then because they've been, you know, again, like learning from.
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We've been, we've had, been able to work since the seventies.
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Like, actually, if they say that it takes like two decades for like a change to be implemented in society, like fully.
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So I do still think we are changing the gender.
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They started entering the workforce at World War Two.
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I just think that it's going to take more time if women want these big jobs.
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And they probably won't want the more physical ones that they're not possible, you know, able to do.
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But I think it will just take longer for women to have those higher roles, maybe.
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So why is it, why is it that when countries where women have more choice, the pay gap increases?
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So if you, if you make a list of countries, so like, let's say Saudi Arabia, women have less choice.
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It's, um, there's one country where it's like, but okay, let's take the US.
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So when you look at countries that are more free, the pay gap increases, it doesn't decrease.
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And you get more women, like you get more women being nurses and more men being doctors.
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Subconsciously for me, I have, I don't have kids, but I already feel like that's going to be the hardest job on earth.
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So I'm just like, I'm going to let the men do the rest.
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But like, I think subconsciously, whether I'm conditioned or not, I just feel like giving birth and being a mum, that is for life.
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I'm, I don't know, but I feel like that's going to be harder.
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Like I'm, I'm the physical portal to the physical.
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Half of women in our generation aren't going to have kids.
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50% of women that are, um, hit 30 are single and childless.
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And they're predicting that 40, 40, 45% of, um, women between the ages of 25 and 45 aren't going to have kids.
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Because, because, um, I don't, I think women, they can't find a guy they want to, they can't get a guy that they want to have kids with.
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I think it's, I think it's because, I think it's because feminism's on the rise.
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I think that the not having kids and the, the title of this, this question, in fact, can modern women be, be men?
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I think, but I think all of those reasons are connected to the rise of the, the, of feminism.
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What would the other reasons be that are connected to feminism?
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Apart from feminism, why else are women not having children from 24?
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No, they're, they're predicting between 25 to 45 and 50% of women that, wait, and 50% of women that hit 30 are single and childless.
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Yeah, except the women over the ages of 45 with no kids or family are the, rated the least happy.
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Yeah, but can I just say something, but that probably goes down to when you see older guys getting with younger girls, because, is that because they're miserable?
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That's because they don't want to date women their age.
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Because, because the women their age are miserable.
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So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so I, I spoke about this.
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So, so you have, from 18 to 28, you have, let's say 10 years.
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Um, those years when you're going outside, the world moves for you.
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You go into places, you know, I'm trying to say, you get in, you get free entry.
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Um, the top guys, you get, you know, you're literally, it's your best time of your life, right?
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Between 18 to 20 is when no one really sees us, man.
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So a lot of times is you at 18 to 28, you can pick a guy that's studying.
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You can pick a guy that's just trying to, trying to come up.
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But what you tend to do is you don't tend to pick these guys.
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You tend to go for the top 20% of guys that have access to multiple women.
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So now we have 100% of women going for 20% of guys.
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Dating, as we like to call them, Chad and Tyrone and running up your body.
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So yeah, Chad and Tyrone and running up your body count.
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So then what tends to happen as you get to 28 is when women start to get a little bit, um, oh my God.
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But now these guys that you didn't see, they recognize you didn't see them.
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So while you're outside now and you're 28 or 30, there's a whole new set of women now.
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But you feel as if that the men in their thirties should be speaking to you, but, um, they're not.
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So a lot of the times what women say is, oh, men are trying to find young girls so they can manipulate them.
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What they're trying to do is they're trying to make it fair because then it's now competition.
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But when we was 18 and 20 and 20, 21, 23, and the women were jumping out of the big cars in West End, all the guys popping the bottles.
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Like we said, the sparklers, we had to feel it.
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We had to feel the bitter, but you girls didn't care.
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