JustPearlyThings - Modern Women View about EUTHANASIA

00:00:00.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:00:01.000 Go ahead.

00:00:02.000 Ruth, out of interest, if you yourself experienced something in life that left you in a position

00:00:07.760 where you were unable to look after yourself and you were unable to speak and unable to

00:00:12.400 communicate and unable to be able-bodied, do you believe in, I think I'm saying this 1.00

00:00:17.180 right, is it euthanasia when you're allowed to?

00:00:19.760 Oh my God.

00:00:20.760 Is that the correct word?

00:00:21.760 See, it's hard.

00:00:22.760 I don't think I believe in euthanasia, but if I couldn't move, oh my God.

00:00:27.360 Like what would you do at that end, so like as a, as a being that has like moved through

00:00:33.240 certain stages of like human development for, again, what's for a better word?

00:00:38.300 Would you, yourself at the end of it, would you still continue to desire to be alive despite

00:00:44.540 the fact that you had no ability to continue experiencing life as you previously had?

00:00:49.940 Like do you believe in euthanasia at the opposite end of life also, or is it just that, yeah,

00:00:54.660 or is it just that they're beginning of the human creation?

00:00:59.480 I personally believe that every human being is made in the image of God so that we all

00:01:04.440 have, we're gifted with, with value and we have purpose and that our reason for being is

00:01:10.940 outside of ourselves, our own, there's a higher purpose.

00:01:15.140 And so, yeah, personally, I'm not saying these things are easy, but yeah, I would, I would

00:01:20.960 say I'd have to trust God.

00:01:22.460 And you would like out of no choice of your own, continue, like you wouldn't have a choice

00:01:28.660 but to be alive.

00:01:29.660 But if someone close to you was in that situation and you knew that they had expressed verbally

00:01:35.160 their decision or like their desire, maybe is a better word, to want to be, again, like

00:01:42.920 I'm going to use the words put down just because I don't know a better phrase for it, at the

00:01:46.680 opposite end of the human creation.

00:01:49.420 Is that something like someone that was close to you, if they become severely disabled, is

00:01:56.300 it something that you would respect as of their wish because they were able to communicate

00:01:59.900 it and it was put on them as a choice?

00:02:03.020 Or is that still regardless for you, a non-mover, like no matter what communication had received,

00:02:10.360 like even if someone you love had, had explained to you really deeply that they didn't want

00:02:14.760 to be alive if they were within a certain state and they chose verbally to you, confirmed that

00:02:20.100 they did not want to be alive and wanted to continue down the euthanasian, I don't know

00:02:23.520 if that's the plural for it, process would, is that something that you would respect or is

00:02:29.080 that something that you would still strongly disagree with yourself?

00:02:31.320 Funnily enough, my grandmother, when she was alive, she, she used to express that she

00:02:38.500 wished she could go to Switzerland, she said that like, because she, at the end, I mean

00:02:46.960 she, it wasn't like a long, long, long drawn out one, but she made comments like that, but

00:02:53.560 um, because then it would be her choice, right?

00:02:57.260 It wouldn't be yours.

00:02:57.900 Well, I think that's the highest suicide, I don't want to misquote this, but I'm pretty

00:03:01.580 sure that's like the highest suicide rate is among the elderly and that's not always,

00:03:05.440 um, recorded because, um, it, sometimes it's like I slipped and fell, you know.

00:03:11.320 They just get classified as old age, right?

00:03:13.260 Yeah, no, I just, I just think there's always hope.

00:03:15.700 Um, where, I think there's always hope, you know, there is, I'm not saying these are not

00:03:21.720 easy situations, but I think that there is pain relief, there is, um, when, when someone

00:03:28.740 is in those, um, difficult situations, it's an opportunity for people around them to just

00:03:33.440 show love, to show compassion, to care for, and yeah, I just, I just believe in life and

00:03:40.980 I believe in hope.

00:03:41.920 So even if it, who had a verbal confirmation of choice from a...

00:03:45.360 I could never support intentionally killing, yeah, I could never.

00:03:50.020 Even if it's for self?

00:03:51.440 For myself? 0.58

00:03:52.360 As in like, like that person has said, I would like to die, you know, I would like to end 0.98

00:03:57.520 my life. 0.96

00:03:57.860 I mean, it's suicide, isn't it?

00:03:59.180 It's just, yeah, I'm...

00:04:01.080 A lot of people want to die because of self pain, like internal pain, but that can, that

00:04:06.000 could be a method for that.

00:04:07.500 Some people, some people can try things, some people don't get the right information.

00:04:11.920 And I feel like that's where a lot of people get lost.

00:04:14.140 I've worked in mental health for a long time and that's all I heard. 0.91

00:04:16.640 I want to die. 0.99

00:04:17.420 I want to die. 1.00

00:04:17.920 I want to die.

00:04:18.460 But actually when you give them certain methods and, um, you help them process the information

00:04:23.440 and, and, and their thoughts, um, they actually change their mind.

00:04:27.140 So I think it's, you know, someone that wants to kill themselves, not like they want to actually

00:04:31.220 kill themselves.

00:04:32.020 They either want to change who they are or they want to, the pain or whatever they're going 0.99

00:04:36.200 through to stop.

00:04:37.740 Yeah.

00:04:38.620 Yeah.

00:04:39.060 So, um, I'm curious.

00:04:40.820 Um, so for the people that are pro-choice, if you guys saw new information, would, would

00:04:48.320 you ever change your mind on that issue?

00:04:50.760 Like raise your hand if you would.

00:04:52.600 What sort of information?

00:04:54.140 I don't know, science, I guess.

00:04:55.740 Like if we would then go against abortion.

00:04:58.180 Yeah.

00:04:58.400 Like would, is this an issue you'd ever change your mind on?

00:05:00.760 So you would never change your mind.

00:05:02.400 You would never change your mind.

00:05:04.360 You, I think it's always like good to be open to new information.

00:05:08.240 I don't think I would ever willingly dismiss an information source before I had witnessed

00:05:13.520 it.

00:05:14.080 I think it's always good as a human being to actually reassess your beliefs.

00:05:17.060 Otherwise you're just like, you're just standing by your ego.

00:05:19.440 Basically.

00:05:20.080 I think it's always good to keep that in check.

00:05:22.040 Okay.

00:05:22.460 What about you two?

00:05:24.800 Um, I feel like it's very situation based.

00:05:27.440 So the science, I don't know what new science would, uh, change.

00:05:32.480 Cause the science doesn't change like the situation that brought the abortion about.

00:05:38.800 So I feel like again, yeah, it's very situational.

00:05:45.220 Depends on like the actual circumstances the mother is in rather than what science actually

00:05:51.460 has to say about it.

00:05:52.420 So, so no.

00:05:55.080 I'm, I'm open to new.

00:05:56.440 You're open.

00:05:56.940 You would, you would listen.

00:05:57.760 Yeah, I would listen to it and I'll talk about it.

00:06:00.120 But like, again, it would, it would be hard because you think there's certain situations

00:06:04.500 that like you would have a hard time telling someone they couldn't get an abortion in.

00:06:08.620 Exactly.

00:06:09.060 Okay.

00:06:09.340 I understand.

00:06:10.020 What about you?

00:06:11.060 I don't think any of us should say what someone else, like when it's someone else's choice 0.89

00:06:16.640 to become a mom.

00:06:18.380 If you want to keep the baby, cause you don't think an abortion's right, then that's your choice. 0.65

00:06:22.380 Okay.

00:06:23.220 So you, you would never change your mind on that.

00:06:25.320 Okay.

00:06:26.480 Well, today we're going to try.

00:06:29.240 So you have a video?

00:06:30.600 Oh, no.

00:06:31.100 I'm, I, no, sorry.

00:06:33.140 What?

00:06:33.760 I don't want to.

00:06:34.440 Oh, okay.

00:06:35.760 It's, um, you can go.

00:06:37.120 It's okay.

00:06:39.380 Um, but, um, yeah, if you have a video you want to show, right?

00:06:43.000 Okay.

00:06:43.500 Could you show the next video?

00:06:45.280 Paul, just quickly, what's your position on this?

00:06:47.500 Oh, um, I mean, I'm pro-life, but, um, I heard an interesting argument the other day that

00:06:54.140 made me think, um, it was like by destiny where he, it was something with like brain function.

00:07:00.460 So I will say like, you know, I could be more educated on the science.

00:07:04.380 So that's, that's actually why she came on my show the other day.

00:07:06.740 And I just thought it'd be interesting to like, learn what they had to say.

00:07:10.380 And it changed recently.

00:07:12.260 What?

00:07:12.780 Your opinion changed.

00:07:13.720 No, I'm still pro-life.

00:07:14.860 I'm still pro-life, but it was just an interesting argument where I was like, um, I'd have to

00:07:20.060 find the video, but it was by destiny.

00:07:22.040 He was doing like pro-life, pro-choice and destiny is such a good debater.

00:07:25.400 And I was just like, oh, I've never thought about it that way.

00:07:28.460 But no, I, I'm still, I wouldn't say I changed my mind.

00:07:31.160 I'm still pro-life.

00:07:32.720 Can I ask you a question?

00:07:34.540 So both of you guys are pro-life.

00:07:36.880 Um, I didn't catch your name as, uh, Ruth, Ruth.

00:07:40.040 Um, so for example, my auntie, um, she had twins when they were born, but one of the

00:07:46.280 twin, um, was in critical condition.

00:07:49.140 And then when he was finally born, he was on life support.

00:07:52.360 The doctor told my auntie, he's going to suffer the rest of his life being on life support,

00:07:57.820 like feeding him through a tube and whatnot.

00:08:00.420 What do you want to do?

00:08:01.200 And it was a very difficult decision and she just had to let one of the twins die.

00:08:07.800 And I know, like, you might say that's wrong, but I think there are certain situations you

00:08:16.680 can allow abortion, right? 0.71

00:08:19.160 Um, that if, if they're suffering, I mean, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say yes for like,

00:08:25.640 whoops, I wouldn't say yes for like the euthanasia where it's like an adult dying because you're

00:08:30.420 pretty much at the end and all you have to do is just fight through the end and then,

00:08:33.680 you know, you can state that you didn't commit suicide kind of thing in a, in a, in a sense.

00:08:38.160 Um, but then again, if it's, if it's a baby being born and it's going to suffer for the

00:08:43.740 entire life, I think, uh, that is one other condition that I would stand with abortion, 1.00

00:08:50.280 um, or letting the baby die.

00:08:53.340 So that's it.

00:08:54.240 So, so you're pro-life with like a couple exceptions, basically.

00:08:58.480 Oh yeah, and I also want to get your view on what would you do if you're a mother and 0.98

00:09:01.720 you've just had a child and that child is going to suffer for the rest of its life.

00:09:05.640 With, um, like it's sick?

00:09:07.620 Yeah.

00:09:08.000 Um, you're feeding to you, um, whatever.

00:09:11.060 So what would you do?

00:09:11.920 I actually had a cousin that was in that situation.

00:09:14.920 Um, I mean, I would just do everything I could to keep him alive.

00:09:19.520 And if, if he died, he died. 0.98

00:09:20.760 Like, I, I mean, I just think I'd have a hard time like killing, killing my kid, um, personally.

00:09:28.680 But no, I had a cousin and he was only supposed to live till he was three and he lived till

00:09:32.080 he was like 12.

00:09:33.180 Mm-hmm.

00:09:33.660 Um, but it wasn't a good quality of life.

00:09:36.000 It was actually really hard to watch.

00:09:37.600 So, um, I could see why it would be like hard for someone to go through.

00:09:41.600 My other cousin as well, um, from my mom's side this time, uh, she's, she was born as

00:09:47.320 well as a twin, funny enough.

00:09:48.840 And she was paralyzed from birth or, you know, she was okay, but the doctor or the hospital

00:09:54.960 didn't give her enough oxygen when she was born.

00:09:57.000 So she started, um, her brain didn't send the correct signals to her body.

00:10:01.080 So she was just paralyzed.

00:10:02.900 Now, um, she suffers in other, in other ways.

00:10:06.840 So she's growing up, seeing her brother, uh, moving and walking, running, playing football.

00:10:11.320 And she's always going to be on a wheelchair. 1.00

00:10:13.300 Do you know what I mean?

00:10:14.500 And like, I don't know how to explain this to you, but she really hates life.

00:10:19.440 You know, there's only a few things in life that make her happy, maybe music, seeing her

00:10:23.900 family, food.

00:10:25.460 But then most of the time she's just suffering because she can see the world and she can

00:10:29.800 see what she doesn't have.

00:10:32.040 And then again, like this can be avoided at the very early stages.

00:10:38.540 And, uh, no, like, obviously I'm happy to have her in my life and I love her as my cousin,

00:10:45.120 but, you know, I can see her suffering and the family as well.

00:10:48.640 Well, I just think doctors can be wrong.

00:10:50.920 And that's like where I would have a hard time.

00:10:52.840 Like if they say they'll have this disease and they might not.

00:10:55.940 Yeah.

00:10:56.420 Yeah.

00:10:56.720 So many, so many situations where that's happened.

00:10:59.180 The Rain Man.

00:10:59.680 Where, where they've, doctors have diagnosed something in the womb and the mothers have 0.99

00:11:04.360 refused, or they said the baby's going to live this long and the mothers have refused

00:11:08.260 abortion and their children are healthy and fine.

00:11:11.460 You know, there's, doctors get it wrong.

00:11:13.800 So what would you guys do then if you're in that situation?

00:11:16.180 So I think Paul gave me a answer.

00:11:17.580 What would you do if your daughter or son was born and then you have to make a decision

00:11:20.760 whether they should live or not?

00:11:22.000 The same thing.

00:11:23.320 I could never kill my child.

00:11:26.020 I just, I would hope and pray that my child got better.

00:11:31.900 I feel like, oh, sorry.

00:11:33.700 No, no, no, go ahead.

00:11:34.320 Are you finished?

00:11:35.020 No, I was going to say, I feel like happiness is also inside.

00:11:38.340 A lot of people get it confused where they're watching the outside too much and they're requiring

00:11:42.660 all this temporary happiness.

00:11:44.720 Like, oh, when I get money, I'll be happy or when this or when I do this.

00:11:47.860 But actually it's just inside.

00:11:49.160 If we search for happiness inside, we will be happy.

00:11:52.560 But a lot of people compare themselves to other people's lives and things like that.

00:11:56.640 But I do, like, I would never understand someone who's obviously disabled or severely unwell, 1.00

00:12:02.960 you know, it's quite difficult.

00:12:04.680 But again, we don't know what the afterlife is.

00:12:07.000 No one knows.

00:12:07.680 But if they're alive here today, maybe there'll be another sort of life for them.

00:12:12.380 No one actually knows because none of us has died.

00:12:14.500 So, you know, but we just don't know.

00:12:16.420 That's a good point.

00:12:17.420 Yeah.

00:12:17.620 Yeah, I was just going to say, I've got two things.

00:12:20.860 I just want to go back to what Cass said earlier on about having the right support in place

00:12:26.580 because you work in mental health, as you mentioned.

00:12:29.540 I did before.

00:12:30.040 Yeah.

00:12:30.360 Oh, you did before.

00:12:31.100 Okay.

00:12:31.320 And I think it's similar with the abortion issue.

00:12:34.700 And for a woman that finds out that she's pregnant, I think a lot of it is based on being properly informed about the process you're going through so that you can come to an informed decision.

00:12:49.160 I feel like from my experience, having an abortion when I was 19, I wasn't properly informed.

00:12:57.160 Like, abortion is something that is classified as a medical procedure.

00:13:02.680 And with most medical procedures that you do have, and I've had a few in my lifetime.

00:13:09.100 Um, nothing severe, but you are informed about what the procedure is going to be.

00:13:15.960 You are informed about, um, you're showing images of what you're going to have done.

00:13:22.000 Um, and I feel like abortion is sidelined.

00:13:24.780 Oh, yeah.

00:13:25.080 It's not, you don't, you're not properly informed.

00:13:27.460 No.

00:13:27.540 So, for me, my experience, I came out the other side, and there was a lot of mental trauma, um, and there was a lot of healing.

00:13:35.680 There was a lot of healing process.

00:13:37.680 Um, the support, I think, is very important, um, if you do decide to have an abortion, um, as it was in my case.

00:13:44.000 And I didn't feel like I had that at that time.

00:13:46.660 Um, and just to go back to what Ruby was saying, um, about your family situation.

00:13:51.820 There's a guy, I can't remember his name, and he's literally, he was born without no limbs, like, he has no arms, no legs, and he was actually born.

00:13:59.680 Um, he's on YouTube, he's a big YouTuber, and, I mean, his life is phenomenal, and it's going back again.

00:14:05.340 Where, where, what does happiness look like?

00:14:07.920 How do we define happiness?

00:14:09.360 He's in this world, and he's impacting this world, like, leaps and bounds, and he was born that way.

00:14:16.720 He did mention that when he was, I think it was 10 or 12, that he wanted to commit suicide.

00:14:21.820 Can't remember what he stated, what got him over that hurdle, but he's still here today, and he's living a, he's living a fulfilled life.

00:14:29.880 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:30.480 So I think it's, it's about having the right support.

00:14:33.720 It's about being well informed, um, and, um, yeah, I just feel that there is other options.

00:14:40.280 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:41.240 Having the right mentality is, is, is key to life.

00:14:44.420 Definitely, definitely.

00:14:45.420 Um, but yeah, I, I must go back on that as well, what you just said.

00:14:48.720 Um, I've had an abortion myself, and again, they, they don't really inform me of the procedure.

00:14:54.140 They will say, okay, yeah, you get a pill, and then, or you get the vacuum, and then that's it.

00:14:59.000 But actually, when, when I did get the pill, and they said, it's all going to come out, don't worry, you know, and it all come out, and it was a little baby, you know, and it's like, whoa, I wasn't ready for that, you know, and it was just, it was shocking.

00:15:11.720 You got, you got the pill?

00:15:13.360 I got the, uh, the pill, yeah.

00:15:15.260 So, and it, so how does the, I, I, I know, um, once it's surgical, they, like, pull off the limbs and then vacuum it.

00:15:22.720 Yeah.

00:15:22.860 But I don't, I don't actually know as much about the pill.

00:15:25.860 So, so the pill, so you get, like, a couple of them, right?

00:15:28.960 Um, and the, like, first, it wasn't even, like, I felt something was stuck, so I had to go, go back there, and they had to, like, take out with, um, what's it called, um, forceps?

00:15:41.180 Yeah, yeah, that was my first, um, abortion, and I had a second one, and, um, it was, it was a pill, and, you know, and, um, I decided to go ahead, and it was the worst experience ever, because they, they did not inform me that a whole child would come out of there, you know,

00:15:58.040 and I would think it would be in part, so I wouldn't see it, you know, and it was a full little child, it was the size of my palm, but it was such a horrible experience, you know, and I've seen it, I've seen it, and, and that mental picture, again, you have to train your mind to forget that, you can't, you know, when people go through abortions, and they have PTSD from it, I say, like, the best thing you can do is to, there's ways to forget about it, ways to never think about it again, ways to sort of, you know, erase that from your memory, but, but they don't tell you,

00:16:28.040 anything like that, they, they never did, and I, I always tell the women, you know, that go for abortion, I'm just, just telling you, this is what it is, you know, and then I, oh, really, you know, and then they come back, like, I regret it so much, you know, but, yeah, they, they should be more informative, 100%, how far along were you? I, I was, like, four weeks, you're only four weeks, no, sorry, no, the, uh, this, um, scape, the, when the, when the baby came out, yeah, oh, that one was about, 0.87

00:16:54.040 six or eight weeks, something like that. Really, so it was six or eight weeks, and, because they, they say it's, like, a feed, like, a clump of cells, basically, at that point. No, it was a full baby. And it was, like, the side, this big? It had, it had arms, it had legs, it had a head, and it was intact, so it wasn't, like,

00:17:10.040 Wow. And it wasn't, like, it was parts of it, it was literally all of it. And, and so, um, because I, what I understand about the pill, and you guys, you two, know more than I do about this, but it's, like, basically, it starves the kid to death, right? And then, did, did, like, well, did it happen at the hospital, or were you at home?

00:17:29.700 Uh, no, so, this happened at the hospital, yeah. So, you, you take one at home, and then, like you said, I didn't know it would starve the child, right? So, but, yeah, you take one at home, then you come, I think it's the next day, or in two days, and then you have another pill, and it's meant to come out of you, and whatnot.

00:17:44.760 Well, and it is, does it always come out at the hospital, if you do the pills?

00:17:48.320 I think some people have done it at home, and it, they just, it goes down the toilet, you know?

00:17:52.320 Oh, okay.

00:17:53.220 And that's what they say, so, since the pandemic, um, basically, they allowed, they changed the law to allow these abortion pills to be sent by post to people's homes, which causes all sorts of issues, because many women don't know how far along they are, so you're only meant to have the pills up to about 10 weeks, and, um, you know, there's been stories of people having it at 12, 13, 14, 15 weeks, and ended up in hospital, and hemorrhaging, and things like that, and so, yeah, just being sent,

00:18:22.200 and, and they, yeah, they're literally saying the instructions to flush the baby, or the products of conception down the toilet, so, yeah, I'm, I'm sorry you had to see that, that must have been.

00:18:32.580 No, no, it's all right, no, you have to, sort of, go over that.

00:18:35.580 Oh my God, I did not know, wow.

00:18:37.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:37.380 Um, do you want to show the video? I actually have not seen this video, I don't know what it is.

00:18:45.580 What do you think about abortion?

00:18:47.420 Each individual, it's up to them what they want to do.

00:18:50.060 I think everybody should be allowed to write.

00:18:52.200 I'm not really for it, or against it.

00:18:53.880 Everyone has their right to, kind of, do what they call is right in their own life.

00:18:58.580 So, what I want to show you now is a short one-minute video of what an abortion procedure looks like, at various stages, from 10 to 24 weeks.

00:19:05.980 Oh.

00:19:10.140 That baby is too big to be doing now.

00:19:14.080 Oh, I love it.

00:19:16.800 Oh, wee.

00:19:19.480 Oh, God.

00:19:20.280 Sorry, I don't think I can do it.

00:19:21.620 Yeah, I'm sorry, I can't look at it.

00:19:25.540 Sorry.

00:19:34.340 That's the video.

00:19:36.020 That was, that's cool.

00:19:38.220 Those babies were pretty small.

00:19:40.020 They were saying they're lacking.

00:19:41.680 They had hands.

00:19:42.980 I didn't know it was like that.

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JustPearlyThings - February 08, 2023

Modern Women View about EUTHANASIA

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