JustPearlyThings - August 31, 2023


Panel Discuss the Problem with Feminism


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10 minutes

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243.67447

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2,581

Sentence count

247

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Misogyny

21

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Hate speech

6

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In this episode, we discuss the impact feminism has had on our society and how it has impacted the lives of our ancestors. We discuss the role of women in society and the role that women play in society. We also discuss the importance of self-esteem and how important it is to empower women.

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00:00:00.000 I think feminists pick and choose when it benefits them, that's something I would say. 1.00
00:00:05.220 I think the issue here is you guys are not trying to like, not you guys in general, but
00:00:10.420 just like women who are like, I'm not a feminist, but everything that you've actually, being
00:00:15.180 made like and alive right now, I mean, and it's back to my point of the 50 years ago,
00:00:19.300 100 years ago, when your ancestors and your great great great grandmothers are sitting
00:00:23.160 there in the kitchen, unable to do anything, yeah?
00:00:26.380 Like, feminism has benefited every woman in like, in today's society. 1.00
00:00:30.880 Yeah, I was about to say, I would suspect those women are happier than these women are currently. 1.00
00:00:34.380 I would actually prefer.
00:00:35.380 And how? And how are they happier? They're not even here.
00:00:37.380 I would actually prefer to be where women was in the 20s, because the pressure for me as 1.00
00:00:41.080 a lady to work can be very exhausting. 1.00
00:00:43.700 So when you sit here and say that, oh, this is the reason why I'm here today, most women 1.00
00:00:47.140 really don't. Most women, I'll be honest with you, we do all of this work boss chick stuff 1.00
00:00:51.000 because of the pressure that this feminist woman has put on women to not be lazy and to 1.00
00:00:55.520 get up and work. So when you sit here and say, oh, this is the reason why you guys are here
00:00:59.220 and da da da da da, most of us really don't want to be here.
00:01:01.520 Don't forget that you're black and I want freedom.
00:01:03.520 I want freedom.
00:01:04.520 I want freedom.
00:01:05.520 I want freedom.
00:01:06.520 I want freedom.
00:01:08.520 Wait, wait, wait, just to correct something. The first female millionaire was in the early, 1.00
00:01:12.520 it was in 1900.
00:01:13.520 Yeah, the hair shop lady. 1.00
00:01:14.520 No, but everyone says they couldn't vote or they couldn't work until like the 50s and 60s.
00:01:19.520 But before that, there was a female millionaire. So there, someone did it. 1.00
00:01:22.520 Yeah.
00:01:23.220 That's nice.
00:01:24.220 Weren't held back.
00:01:25.220 Well, to be honest, making money is not really that hard. You know, this is the thing.
00:01:31.220 If you are capable, you can do anything, whether you're a man or a woman. The problem with feminism, 1.00
00:01:35.520 I think, is that it displaces women a lot of the time because you're trying to make us be 1.00
00:01:39.220 something that we're not. Like I work for myself. I do. I would say I am a boss in what I do,
00:01:44.520 but I'm not a boss, baby. And I have to prove to my man that I'm this woman and I deserve certain things.
00:01:49.520 All I want is not because I'm a feminist, just because I'm a person that likes to be told,
00:01:53.520 well, then I just want, if I'm with a man to be like, oh, that's quite cool. You know, well done for trying that.
00:01:57.520 That's it. But I don't really get anything against that. I don't really get too many people sometimes,
00:02:01.520 especially the people that know me telling me things like, oh, you're a woman, you shouldn't do this.
00:02:05.520 So do you want validation from men or not?
00:02:07.520 I just want, I don't want, it's not just from men. I want it from anybody.
00:02:10.520 Even women that will look at me and be like, no, you can't do that. 1.00
00:02:13.520 Women do that to each other. So I don't want to be boxed in because I'm a woman. 1.00
00:02:16.520 I just want to be treated like normal. Just, it's fine.
00:02:18.520 It seems like your value system is extremely external and exists in other people's minds.
00:02:22.520 No, not really. This is in terms of the context of the conversation.
00:02:25.520 Cause I think you can tell that I don't actually need a much external validation.
00:02:28.520 I'm quite gassed by myself. Thank you.
00:02:30.520 But it seems like in some industries in say in London, we're in London now, right?
00:02:34.520 I mean, if you look at media industry, if you look at advertising,
00:02:36.520 certain types of like information technology and stuff like that, it's very actually female based. 1.00
00:02:41.520 You know, you've got like say the advertising industry, you've got more female leaders in that space than you have men. 1.00
00:02:46.520 So it seems to me at some point we have to say, right, well, the balance has been addressed now.
00:02:50.520 I think so. It's getting there. I think women need to just kind of like empower themselves, not request further stuff. 1.00
00:02:56.520 And then it goes back to what they were saying before, which is like, okay, man or woman, you've got to go out into the world and you've got to bend it to your will. 0.73
00:03:02.520 Right. You've got to make it, you've got to make your own narrative and not, and not fall back on these, you know, victimhood things.
00:03:08.520 Yes. You summed that up nicely. I can see you've got good experience talking to people and making them understand the simple and basics.
00:03:15.520 Oh, I like that. Thank you for summarizing it that way.
00:03:18.520 But you made a good point in the sense that like when is that's then the thing is with feminism is never ending every week, every month. 1.00
00:03:25.520 There's a new issue is so unnecessary that these feminists won. And it's just like, when are you guys going to be satisfied? That's my problem. 1.00
00:03:32.520 And that's when it becomes destructive.
00:03:34.520 But I don't think you can say that is unnecessary to them because if they fall away, they fall away.
00:03:38.520 So I don't think you can invalidate their feelings.
00:03:40.520 They can have stupid beliefs and feelings.
00:03:42.520 Yeah, but that doesn't make it reality just because they feel a way.
00:03:45.520 We should not justify it.
00:03:46.520 Just because the girl feels like she was discriminated because of her gender doesn't mean that she was.
00:03:50.520 And that's the big problem of this generation is we don't know how to differentiate between what we're feeling and what's actually reality.
00:03:56.520 Like I get that's what they're feeling, but right now I'm feeling like a dog. Am I a dog?
00:04:00.520 No.
00:04:01.520 Exactly. So we have to learn to differentiate between what we're feeling and what's actually facts.
00:04:05.520 And we need to do that by calling people stupid or saying that they're acting like they said when they are.
00:04:09.520 Like if someone says you're vibrating with misogyny, that should be called stupid like respectfully like that.
00:04:14.520 That was a stupid thing to say.
00:04:15.520 It's an analogy.
00:04:16.520 It's a figure of speech as well.
00:04:17.520 Don't be so mean.
00:04:18.520 What's the analogy?
00:04:19.520 The analogy is basically saying you're coming a bit aggressive.
00:04:21.520 Your energy is coming a bit tense.
00:04:23.520 I even felt it.
00:04:24.520 So I reworded what she said.
00:04:26.520 Tense?
00:04:27.520 And misogynistic?
00:04:28.520 No, I know, but I reworded it for her.
00:04:30.520 Two very different things.
00:04:31.520 Yeah, but the accusation was real.
00:04:33.520 It wasn't a figure of speech.
00:04:34.520 The accusation was real.
00:04:35.520 And I stand on it.
00:04:36.520 Yeah, and that's fine.
00:04:37.520 So you're trying to justify it.
00:04:38.520 I tried to be a sister.
00:04:39.520 And that's my point.
00:04:40.520 Like we need to call that stupid when people say stupid things like that.
00:04:43.520 And what do those accusations do?
00:04:44.520 I mean, you know, Sneeko's a bit different because, I mean, his industry is to get cancelled.
00:04:49.520 Exactly.
00:04:50.520 That's why.
00:04:51.520 In a way.
00:04:52.520 But it's like for the average person that you label them that, that could ruin their entire career.
00:04:56.520 Yeah.
00:04:57.520 It's a bit like, it's a bit like using the term creepy, isn't it?
00:04:58.520 And then it's sort of like, if a woman calls a guy creepy, just the fact that she said it,
00:05:03.520 it's believed because she says, I felt that he was creepy.
00:05:06.520 So it's like, oh, right.
00:05:07.520 Okay.
00:05:08.520 So therefore he was creepy because you're saying you felt like that.
00:05:10.520 But where's the, where's the sort of foundational truth of that statement?
00:05:13.520 Right.
00:05:14.520 And it's like saying, vibrating with misogyny.
00:05:16.520 Okay.
00:05:17.520 Well, okay.
00:05:18.520 It was tense, but we're in a debate, right?
00:05:19.520 So what's the misogynistic element of that?
00:05:22.520 They were just having a debate.
00:05:23.520 Cause why is he looking at her as an op?
00:05:26.520 Just because she's a girl.
00:05:31.520 If there was four guys sitting on the couch and they were making the same points.
00:05:34.520 That's what a debate is.
00:05:35.520 They would have said the same things.
00:05:36.520 If we have different points of view, we are disagreeing.
00:05:38.520 But you don't know me.
00:05:39.520 So don't go against me because we could actually agree on things.
00:05:42.520 That's the whole point.
00:05:43.520 Don't go against me.
00:05:44.520 Gender based.
00:05:45.520 I don't like that.
00:05:46.520 That's given misogyny.
00:05:47.520 That was my, that was my, that was the vibe.
00:05:50.520 I don't know if it was offered gender.
00:05:51.520 I'm sorry.
00:05:52.520 I didn't mean to interrupt you.
00:05:53.520 It was just different opinions.
00:05:54.520 It has nothing to do with womanhood. 0.98
00:05:56.520 It was just because you are a woman.
00:05:57.520 That's why you get cancelled.
00:05:58.520 Cause your, your, your boundaries of like aggressive, like tonality in the way you speak.
00:06:05.520 You don't, you don't quite understand.
00:06:06.520 I think there's a difference between speaking aggressively and speaking assertively.
00:06:09.520 Which is a good thing.
00:06:10.520 I got cancelled for talking about COVID in the election.
00:06:12.520 Had nothing to do with vibrating misogyny.
00:06:13.520 I don't know.
00:06:14.520 You, you feel a little bit aggressive.
00:06:15.520 I'm not gonna lie.
00:06:16.520 Someone said something along the lines of don't go against me.
00:06:19.520 Isn't this a debate like foreign against?
00:06:21.520 Yeah.
00:06:22.520 But when you immediately have to go against, like, come on.
00:06:24.520 That's a debate.
00:06:25.520 Open it up by saying I'm a black immigrant.
00:06:28.520 I mean, look, you guys are victims.
00:06:30.520 And so somebody calls you out.
00:06:31.520 It's just, none of this makes any sense.
00:06:33.520 You're going to go and say that I'm a victim.
00:06:35.520 I'm black.
00:06:36.520 So I have a hard time in life.
00:06:37.520 And then somebody disagrees with you.
00:06:38.520 And then you're even a victim more.
00:06:39.520 Do you know why?
00:06:40.520 We disagree and that I'm aggressive and you're pointing at me and interrupting me, but I'm aggressive.
00:06:43.520 I'm sorry.
00:06:44.520 I was aggressive there still.
00:06:45.520 You have been the whole time, but I'm aggressive.
00:06:47.520 I don't say that you're vibrating with misogyny.
00:06:49.520 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:50.520 My whole point of this argument is that my whole point is that people now, especially people my age, I'm 24, we have such a victim mindset that makes us feel like we can navigate the world a certain way.
00:07:00.520 And that everything is against us.
00:07:01.520 And we don't do that because the world is against us because it makes us feel better about our life path and our decisions and about our place in the world.
00:07:09.520 That is the number one thing that will hold people back.
00:07:11.520 I'm an immigrant.
00:07:12.520 I'm black.
00:07:13.520 You're misogynistic.
00:07:14.520 You're racist.
00:07:15.520 I'm fine.
00:07:16.520 Stop acting like that's a victimization.
00:07:18.520 That's exactly what he said.
00:07:19.520 I already explained to you why that is my superpower.
00:07:22.520 I simply pointed out the fact that it is an extra obstacle that some people may not have.
00:07:26.520 But for me, it's a good thing.
00:07:27.520 It makes me fitter.
00:07:28.520 Saying that you have an obstacle?
00:07:29.520 Makes me spicy and prettier.
00:07:30.520 That's why I like having also black gene in me.
00:07:33.520 Believing that you have an obstacle is exactly what victimization is.
00:07:35.520 I don't believe.
00:07:36.520 I know because I felt it.
00:07:37.520 I've had to overcome it several times.
00:07:39.520 Just because you haven't lived my life, don't bloody discourage me from telling you what I feel because that's what I've experienced.
00:07:44.520 So it's Nico.
00:07:45.520 What you're trying to say is that we should disregard our traumatic experiences that have brought like, you know,
00:07:51.520 Even if you were traumatized, if you had a terrible experience.
00:07:54.520 Use the only for power for good things.
00:07:55.520 Right.
00:07:56.520 If the KKK was burning crosses, like what will hold you back more is still thinking about that you're traumatized.
00:08:02.520 I agree.
00:08:03.520 It's thinking that the world is against you.
00:08:04.520 That will hold you back even more than anything else that anyone's going to tell you, that any industry will say, that anything that I believe, how misogynistic and racist I am.
00:08:11.520 You believing that you're traumatized and navigating the world that way is going to hold you back more than anybody else.
00:08:16.520 And that's the number one thing I would say for anyone here watching this right now.
00:08:19.520 Get rid of that mindset because that was programmed into you by the news.
00:08:22.520 You're talking about mainstream media showing this one Afro dude.
00:08:25.520 They do that so that we stay down.
00:08:27.520 It's not because they actually care about racism.
00:08:29.520 You think the news cares about this Afro guy?
00:08:31.520 Of course not.
00:08:32.520 No, they care about programming.
00:08:33.520 George Floyd, you think that goes viral because they care about George Floyd?
00:08:36.520 Well, it was a good thing.
00:08:37.520 No, it's to get everybody rioting and to keep everybody confused and to keep everybody outside.
00:08:41.520 No.
00:08:42.520 And to keep everybody distracted and angry.
00:08:43.520 A lot of people leveled up because of that.
00:08:45.520 A lot of addressing these issues actually is quite empowering because you start to-
00:08:49.520 What did BLM accomplish?
00:08:50.520 Let me tell you.
00:08:51.520 Do some people.
00:08:52.520 Do some people.
00:08:53.520 Do some people.
00:08:54.520 Do some people.
00:08:55.520 Do some people.
00:08:56.520 I lived in Milwaukee during the BLM protests.
00:08:58.520 There were some shops that didn't open back up.
00:09:00.520 Of course.
00:09:01.520 Let me tell you something, right?
00:09:03.520 Things like BLM, things like Wakanda.
00:09:06.520 Why is actually something that is a good thing to even talk about these things and be gassed
00:09:11.520 about the fact that black people start to go to the forefront is because even though
00:09:15.520 some people may take it as a victimization, there are people that actually take it to be
00:09:18.520 an empowerment.
00:09:19.520 There are people that feel inspired.
00:09:20.520 That's a feeling myself.
00:09:21.520 Exactly.
00:09:22.520 But people feel inspired.
00:09:23.520 I have a question.
00:09:24.520 How do you know if the outcome of something is good?
00:09:28.520 I know.
00:09:29.520 Basically, I know because within my business-
00:09:32.520 Wait, wait.
00:09:33.520 Basically, within my business, I see the change.
00:09:35.520 I see how many more people are going up.
00:09:36.520 Right, right.
00:09:37.520 Okay, okay.
00:09:38.520 So you would say it would be the results, right?
00:09:40.520 Yeah, the results, of course.
00:09:41.520 So it's good.
00:09:42.520 The government started giving funds out for black people to do things.
00:09:44.520 A lot of people make money.
00:09:45.520 It's a good thing.
00:09:46.520 Okay, so if the results of those protests were that some shops did not open back up and
00:09:51.520 the whole business was a scam, how is that a good result?
00:09:54.520 Well, it's the same way that people go to war, people do a million things,
00:09:57.520 with good comes bad.
00:09:59.520 That's the whole point.
00:10:00.520 No, but I'm asking what good came?
00:10:01.520 What good came of war? 0.53
00:10:02.520 What did BLM accomplish?
00:10:03.520 Oh, BLM accomplished a lot.
00:10:05.520 Within the creative industry here in the UK, a lot of black people start making money
00:10:08.520 since BLM.
00:10:09.520 Awareness.
00:10:10.520 Awareness.
00:10:11.520 Awareness of what?
00:10:12.520 Since BLM, a lot of people have still died the same way George Floyd did.
00:10:14.520 It didn't change the main factor, which was white cops killing black people to this
00:10:17.520 day.
00:10:18.520 We still see it.
00:10:19.520 White cops kill white people too. 0.97
00:10:21.520 So what did BLM accomplish?
00:10:22.520 In the UK, the government started giving funding to black businesses a lot more.
00:10:26.520 They started putting a lot of projects to big up black people and put them on. 0.98
00:10:29.520 So actually it was a good thing for the UK.
00:10:31.520 I'm not going to lie.
00:10:32.520 A lot of people got really good opportunities because of that situation.