JustPearlyThings - June 24, 2023


Pearl DEBUNKS Body Positivity To Plus Size Model

Topics
body positivity body neutrality
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
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Alex
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11 minutes

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2,384

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231

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4

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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and MS warrior, Alex, to talk about his journey with MS and how it has impacted his life and how he is able to overcome it in a positive way. We also talk about the importance of body positivity and how important it is to use it in your everyday life.

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00:00:00.000 What I've done is I've incorporated being active in my life.
00:00:04.320 That's what I see.
00:00:05.480 That's my exercise.
00:00:06.680 Actually travelling, doing things, going through new experiences.
00:00:11.920 If I have to climb, I climb.
00:00:13.800 If I have to swim, I swim.
00:00:15.600 That's my way of healthy living, living life.
00:00:17.980 I'm just saying that a lot of people say that there's struggle and struggles.
00:00:22.920 And I struggle when there are people out here that have the tools to give you what you need to lose weight.
00:00:28.740 But the first people they run to is they run to either doctors or they run to social media.
00:00:34.460 There are people who are qualified to give you the exact information that you need to help you get to where you need to be.
00:00:43.700 They give you the numbers that you need to hear to give you now the motivation and concern to get you to where you need to be.
00:00:51.880 And there are people out there that's qualified to do these things.
00:00:54.480 Instead of seeking information from the wrong people, we need to find the right people to give you that support.
00:01:02.120 There are people out there to give you that.
00:01:04.560 A lot of big people have that want to do this weight, that can't, and that suffer.
00:01:09.480 They have mobility issues or their ankle or something.
00:01:12.600 It's too late.
00:01:13.460 I know someone with no legs that's jacked.
00:01:23.380 I swear to God, this dude's in better shape than me.
00:01:26.560 Or upper body, right in a wheelchair.
00:01:28.500 Yeah, he moves around.
00:01:29.640 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:30.540 I'm like, what's the result of it?
00:01:31.720 I'm like, nobody has any skin.
00:01:33.560 No legs!
00:01:34.360 They need to use the upper body. 0.74
00:01:36.000 They don't have legs.
00:01:36.840 They need to use literally their whole body or they can't move.
00:01:39.520 So they have no option.
00:01:41.440 So if they're not going to actually push themselves.
00:01:44.200 If you have ankle issues, okay, three personal trainers, ankle issues, what would you do?
00:01:49.380 How would you get them to lose weight?
00:01:51.940 Even our doctor will tell you to lose weight.
00:01:54.480 I would tell them to go on a bike.
00:01:55.860 Yeah, get on a mobility bike, cross train or something easy on your knee.
00:01:58.960 No, but they can't get up one step.
00:02:01.760 There's many of us.
00:02:02.220 No, but they can't get up one step.
00:02:03.960 I was swimming.
00:02:05.200 They can't get up one step.
00:02:06.680 They can't get up a step.
00:02:08.180 Or if their floor's not leveled, it can affect them.
00:02:11.900 They just gave you an example of someone in a wheelchair getting jacked.
00:02:15.120 A kind of wheelchair has to take an elevator up the stairs, man.
00:02:17.380 It doesn't even have to be exercise, does it?
00:02:18.780 Yeah, that's what I was just going to say.
00:02:19.760 They can just sort out what they're putting in their mouth.
00:02:20.440 It's diet.
00:02:21.360 Because if you have an ankle problem, it doesn't even have anything to do with physical,
00:02:24.460 especially if it's from a weight problem.
00:02:26.180 It's just diet.
00:02:27.200 You have to diet, though, to lose weight.
00:02:28.420 There are means and ways.
00:02:29.620 Alex, I think I remember you saying that you're an MS warrior.
00:02:33.380 Yeah.
00:02:33.640 There are circumstances that can be overcome, really difficult ones, that are far more profound,
00:02:40.020 I would say, than me personally just getting fat because of poor habits.
00:02:45.920 It's not enough for me to just be in bed and saying, oh, I've had a hard life.
00:02:49.280 But what about when the problems affect other people?
00:02:53.540 Like health problems, like when you can't do things with your kids.
00:02:56.680 Yeah, 100%.
00:02:57.460 When your family has to take care of you because you're sick.
00:03:00.920 But people don't see that far, you know.
00:03:03.080 It's sad.
00:03:03.760 The city comfort now, but you don't see that far.
00:03:06.780 I don't think anybody is advocating for that, though.
00:03:08.780 I think that's very sad, yeah.
00:03:10.460 It's sad, but how do you stop from getting there?
00:03:12.420 Do you lean into body positivity or do you go the other way and take part of your life?
00:03:15.280 Thank you very much.
00:03:15.980 It depends on whatever benefits you as a person.
00:03:18.700 But see, that's the problem right there.
00:03:21.700 It's about that's what benefits me.
00:03:24.140 And that's the problem with body positivity.
00:03:26.420 It's about me, me, me, me, me.
00:03:27.780 It's about the way I feel.
00:03:29.180 It's about what I want to do.
00:03:32.060 I don't care what I look like to the beach, to everyone else.
00:03:34.840 I want to feel good.
00:03:36.040 Like it's all about me and nobody else.
00:03:39.160 What I meant in that context was it's what you respond to.
00:03:42.540 So if you as a person respond to the body positivity moment, that makes you.
00:03:45.860 For me personally, feeling good about myself is the thing that makes me want to lose weight.
00:03:49.080 When I like myself, I treat myself better.
00:03:50.820 I eat better.
00:03:52.100 I'm more likely to get on better with my friends.
00:03:54.160 But I just think if that was true, you wouldn't be overweight.
00:03:59.120 Like I know you've lost 10 pounds, but 10 pounds comes and goes.
00:04:02.160 I haven't always felt like that.
00:04:03.820 And you can feel a certain way, but the results speak for themselves.
00:04:07.680 But I didn't like myself when I was skinny.
00:04:10.080 I didn't like it.
00:04:11.840 It's not about like, I love myself.
00:04:13.740 I love myself.
00:04:14.220 I love myself.
00:04:14.860 It's what you respond to in terms of if positivity is what motivates you.
00:04:19.180 Great.
00:04:19.780 I got to a point where I was like, okay, I need to think positively about this.
00:04:22.420 I need to help myself.
00:04:23.000 But I'm saying let's look at results.
00:04:26.640 Let's look at the results of body positivity.
00:04:30.040 And we see the women that lead it get worse and worse every year. 1.00
00:04:35.360 But I would argue that the people that you're giving as an example as leading it, I don't agree with what they do.
00:04:40.380 I don't agree with what Tess Holliday does. 0.50
00:04:41.600 I don't agree.
00:04:42.120 But for me personally, I respond better to positive influence, to positive. 0.99
00:04:46.600 If I had a personal trainer that was like, you fat bitch, lose weight, I wouldn't go back. 1.00
00:04:50.660 If I had a personal trainer that was like, you're doing so great. 1.00
00:04:52.560 This is fantastic.
00:04:53.280 You've lost two pounds.
00:04:54.340 Like, I'd go back, you know?
00:04:55.920 And it depends what you respond to.
00:04:57.520 And I think if I see that as a result, like if I saw those results for you, like I might think more of it.
00:05:04.260 But it's just tough because you're saying body positivity is such a good thing and you're a plus size model, but your results are you're still overweight.
00:05:11.940 I mean, I'm in the process of that, but I haven't always been in favor of body positivity, point blank, I would say.
00:05:17.520 I was more about body neutrality, which is basically just not caring and just doing whatever.
00:05:24.360 And that was how I thought for a long time.
00:05:25.840 But body neutrality is selfish because everybody else has to deal with your poor decisions, even if you're just neutral.
00:05:32.040 Like, liking the way you look and say, I'm going to accept myself as is.
00:05:36.200 Everybody else has to deal with your decisions because either you're going to have health issues and the taxpayers have to deal with it.
00:05:42.100 The doctors have to deal with it.
00:05:43.620 Your family has to take care of you.
00:05:45.740 And it's not fair to everyone else around you, even on planes.
00:05:49.500 Like, it's not fair to the people next to you who didn't make that decision.
00:05:53.040 And now, you know, you're invading their space.
00:05:55.700 Again, I can't speak for those people because that's not my issue.
00:05:58.340 I've never not fit in a plane seat.
00:05:59.840 I've never had a health issue because of my weight, specifically.
00:06:02.820 I've never been in that situation.
00:06:04.260 I'm not talking about the movement in general.
00:06:05.720 Yeah, but I mean, ask someone who...
00:06:07.200 I'm saying, like, being content in general is selfish because everybody else has to deal with the issues.
00:06:12.740 But being content with yourself doesn't mean that you shouldn't want to be better.
00:06:16.160 It just means that you shouldn't hate yourself.
00:06:17.200 Well, what else is content?
00:06:19.640 Content is happy as is.
00:06:21.420 I think it just means that you shouldn't hate yourself.
00:06:23.640 If I'm content with my money, I'm not going to make more money.
00:06:26.720 If I'm discontent with my money, then I'm going to make more money.
00:06:29.200 I think that's a great example.
00:06:30.200 I'm very content with the amount of money I make.
00:06:32.260 Would I like to still make more?
00:06:33.620 Fantastic.
00:06:34.080 Yeah, I would.
00:06:34.800 But you're not going to take steps to make more money if you're content with the amount of money in general.
00:06:39.560 We're getting into semantics, though, aren't we?
00:06:41.120 If we're using the word content, like, I agree with, you know, like, being content means that you are, you're stationary.
00:06:47.580 You're happy.
00:06:48.540 No more progress.
00:06:49.680 But I think the point here is that you can enjoy your day.
00:06:53.200 You can go to the beach with your friends if you want to and actually enjoy a day on the beach with your friends without the fact that you are maybe not your healthiest weight or not your best shape and allowing that to taint your day.
00:07:05.360 Even at the beach, like, it's going to taint your day.
00:07:07.960 Whether anyone says anything to you or not, it's going to taint your day.
00:07:10.880 You're not going to be able to do the same things your in-shape friends are going to do.
00:07:15.560 There's no way you guys are going to have the same mobility as the trainers here.
00:07:21.120 If you guys go surfing, if you go tubing, like, you're not going to be able to do the same thing.
00:07:25.120 I can't do the training, but I can do a lot of other things.
00:07:27.940 So while it might not affect you now, it might be you're young, maybe it'll affect you later, but at some point life is going to hit you.
00:07:36.400 And that's why I promote eating healthy and actually trying your best to actually be healthy.
00:07:41.360 Right, but I'm not talking about you.
00:07:42.920 I'm talking about the movement in general.
00:07:44.380 I think that's the thing.
00:07:45.400 It's different.
00:07:46.340 Do people different?
00:07:47.840 It's not different people see different narratives.
00:07:50.580 It depends what you're reading, what you're seeing.
00:07:52.700 And with a lot of things, there's a lot of confusion.
00:07:55.260 It's like people just want to confuse you and they want people to have discussions like this and they want people to fight.
00:08:01.800 But really, if you speak to real people, you get real opinions.
00:08:05.560 That's how it is.
00:08:06.240 I think it's simple.
00:08:07.880 I think it's if you're fat, you're unhealthy.
00:08:10.420 If you're not fat, you're healthy.
00:08:12.620 It should be as simple as that, really.
00:08:14.160 They shouldn't be like, oh, it's confusing.
00:08:16.880 You know, there's going to be people, like I said, there's a small amount, small percentage of people that, you know, probably do have conditions and whatnot.
00:08:23.540 But at the end of the day, if you're fat, you can acknowledge that you're unhealthy and you've all agreed that you want to better yourself and start eating healthier, whether it's training as well.
00:08:34.080 So, I mean, yeah, you can keep trying to individualise it.
00:08:37.460 But at the end of the day, it's very, it's night and day.
00:08:40.160 And it's also, you need to see where a lot of people are obese.
00:08:43.700 It's the poor areas.
00:08:44.540 If you look at obesity rates, it's the poor areas.
00:08:48.320 And what are, what are they in poor areas?
00:08:51.260 Not great shops for food.
00:08:53.040 It's all cheap stuff.
00:08:54.420 It's not good for you.
00:08:55.860 Are you saying the obesity rates are higher in, in like third world countries?
00:09:01.040 Not third world countries, but just generally.
00:09:03.020 No, that's poorer.
00:09:03.500 Like, for example.
00:09:04.520 But I'm saying like that, that's, I'm just thinking if your premise is true.
00:09:08.640 If we're going to say it's about wealth, then I would imagine we would see in poorer countries, they would be fatter than in richer countries.
00:09:16.760 Okay.
00:09:16.780 For example, in England, there's Iceland's, it's pound, it's like a pound a meal.
00:09:23.040 You can get a pound ready meal.
00:09:24.500 You can get nuggets and chips.
00:09:26.720 I know, but I need you to answer my, I need you to answer my initial question though.
00:09:30.700 So, so in third world countries, they're fatter than in the Western countries. 1.00
00:09:35.620 In, in, there are places, there's Fiji.
00:09:37.360 No, no, no, in general.
00:09:38.640 I know homeless people with abs.
00:09:42.900 There are places in the world there where it is poor and they're, and they're big.
00:09:47.040 No.
00:09:47.460 No, it's just on average.
00:09:48.700 On average.
00:09:49.620 People in poorer countries.
00:09:50.860 Oh, not on average.
00:09:51.960 No, it's in the UK, the Western side.
00:09:54.000 Correct.
00:09:54.480 So I'm saying, I don't think it's a wealth thing.
00:09:56.280 Okay.
00:09:56.780 Yeah.
00:09:56.880 I think it's a poor, like, I mean, we're the fattest in America, you know?
00:10:01.320 Yeah.
00:10:01.520 But then within America, what groups of people, just to get deeper on that point, I don't know if I really have an opinion or a strong one on this, but.
00:10:08.320 But within America, or even if we take London, are we saying then that the poorer people within those places are more likely to be unhealthy, obese than the richer people?
00:10:18.640 I think it's easier for them to get obese.
00:10:21.660 Why?
00:10:21.900 If you're living on, like, a minimum wage income and you've got to go get fast food all the time.
00:10:27.320 Yeah.
00:10:27.500 Yeah, that's probably the case in America, but there's a large portion of the population in America.
00:10:32.060 According to the CDC, 38 states plus Puerto Rico have obesity rates above 30%.
00:10:39.780 The 10 states and territories with the lowest obesity rates are District of Columbia, Hawaii, Colorado, Massachusetts, California, Florida, New Jersey, Washington, Vermont, and New York.
00:10:51.020 Sounds like a choice then.
00:10:52.560 Yeah.
00:10:52.720 We have to overlay that with, like, I don't know, income per household, I guess you would do that?
00:10:57.960 Colorado's low obesity rate can be attributed to culture and lifestyle.
00:11:01.920 Many residents enjoy outdoor activities such as hiking as well as conscious of eating whole nutrient-dense foods for their own well-being.
00:11:11.880 This is surprising to me.
00:11:13.260 West Virginia is the most obese state with an obesity rate of 40%.
00:11:17.960 50% West Virginia also has type 2 diabetes at 15.7.
00:11:27.700 Wow, 15.7% of West Virginia has type 2 diabetes.