Pearl Gave Her A Reality Check
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What does a plus-size model sacrifice? Is it health? How much money should a plus size model earn? What are the benefits of working as a plus sized model? What does it take to be a good model? And why is it a bad thing to be fat?
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Why do you need people to be unhappy to earn their money?
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No, I would say the general premise is that in work, when you work, you sacrifice something.
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When you strive for something, you have to sacrifice something.
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Well, I'm in a room with three PTs and no one's saying that the plus-size model is sacrificing her health,
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despite the fact that we've spent the last hour talking about health.
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No, but they are sacrificing their health, aren't they?
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If a person is plus-size and they're maintaining their plus-size brand, their identity,
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if they're sacrificing their health, the convenient fat becomes a hustle.
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And I guess it's not the best way to put it, a sacrifice,
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but it's more that in order to get money and jobs, you should have to do something hard.
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So I would respond to that comment by saying that person sounds more like they have a problem with capitalism than anything else.
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Because why are you doing a job you don't enjoy?
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I have a great time with my life and I enjoy my modeling.
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And it sounds more like you have an issue with that.
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And no, I don't think anyone could be a plus-size model.
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And including being plus-size, to be a plus-size model, you still need to have an hourglass shape.
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So that person that's in the super chat in works nine to five.
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Why do you need people to be unhappy to earn their money?
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No, I would say the general plenarist is that in work, when you work, you sacrifice something.
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When you strive for something, you have to sacrifice something.
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Well, I'm in a room with three PTs and no one's saying that the plus-size model is sacrificing her health,
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despite the fact that we've spent the last hour talking about health.
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No, I'm not going to let you put a spin on that.
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No, but they are sacrificing their health, aren't they?
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If a person is plus-size and they're maintaining their plus-size brand, their identity, they're sacrificing their health because being fat becomes a hustle.
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And I guess it's not the best way to put it, a sacrifice, but it's more that in order to get money and jobs, you should have to do something hard.
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And now we're paying people to do the easy thing.
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It's like if I go to an NBA game and I see below average NBA or basketball players, it's kind of like, why are they there?
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But now we have, we go to modelling shows and we have below average bodies being modelled when before that was like the epitome of perfection.
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Well, it's just not a skilled, a particularly skilled profession.
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It's a model, it's a model, it's a model, it's a model, it's a model of skilled profession.
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You miss any point is just for that company to me.
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Did none of you watch America's next top model?
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Company just looking for market to make more money, that's all it is.
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That's the company just looking for market to make more money.
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But you agreed, you said that what Pearl said, getting fat is easy.
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yeah so what there's no there's no sacrifice but your health is just
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sacrifice I don't understand how we're not agreeing on that point despite that's
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negative so that is so your health is a sacrifice yeah you're you're you're
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willingly shortening your life for money so it's that but you know that's a
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sacrifice can I just let you know I've taught children swimming I was a dance
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teacher like everything I've done even me doing my entertainment work is active
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full of activists and that's how I live my life to be active because I know when
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I go to a gym and when I kind of push myself I fall apart and I go backwards
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because then I'm in pain for months and I'm in bed that's what starts happening
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right but like the whole point is do plus-size models and maybe not
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sacrifice is it hard to become a plus-size model and before wait wait wait
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wait and before like I don't know if you've ever seen like the what I eat in
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a day from a Victoria's Secret model before they were plus-size like their
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workouts it's hard it was it required a lot of sacrifice but it required a lot
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of sacrifice but what those damn what those Victoria's Secret girls have done
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to a lot of women is damage them as well because they tried being super fit like
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that although they had no potential some of them actually started taking drugs to
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look it's less than three percent of the population is underweight or it's like five
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percent no but I think a lot of people's obesity is also related to taking a lot of this rubbish
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weight loss tablets and being sold be skinny be this be that and they have it and they get
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obese because a lot of the obesity is from remember where how the 90s was how the noughties
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was you need to actually think about how the decades I think that's a victim mentality
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like I just think I don't even think it's a big because it's fact that a lot of rubbish was put
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in food a lot of rubbish was put in food but at the end of the day people are fat because of their
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choices that's it point blank period it's not because of the food it's not because of the water
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because there's ways around all of this and with with the internet with the internet there's no reason
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you can educate yourself what you're saying pal though like your initial point I just think it's such a
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non-issue because one there just aren't that many plus size models there are a few but like in general
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I find people a lot of the comments I get are like oh my gosh thank you so much for modeling
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like particularly when I modeled a fitness wear for a bit I did a plus size fitness weight um range for
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a well-known brand and people were like oh this is great because I actually know what it's going to
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look like on me now as a fat person who wants to go to the gym which is what everyone wants is these
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five people to go to the gym what was the most well-known fashion show fenty no is it fenty
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five ten years ago what was it victory and what happened they started putting plus size models on
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the runway and everyone hated it correct so we're seeing some of the biggest fashion brands incorporate
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this I just don't think you could say it's a non-issue when I see them on the cover of
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magazines all the time I see them in store they even make mannequins that are plus size
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well that's it that's the point is it why why is there a market for plus size now why do you guys
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think there's a market for plus size now okay what's the motive behind it market for plus size
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what exactly models or plus size clothing or like when you go on online shopping and you see
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a bigger person modeling the clothing what why is that because fat people have to wear clothes no it's
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because when you think it's no when you when you basically buy the clothes the fitting is wrong
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and you know a big person didn't make it because the car is usually funny yeah and it's not like that
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with with normal clothes so her point so okay because fat people have to wear clothes but that's
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that's the body positivity movement because you're now encouraging people to be at that weight because
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you can buy clothes and and look like this whereas if I see a fat model uh you know advertising clothes
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I'm more inclined not to buy it I actually click off don't fat people deserve to know what like if
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they're considering buying I don't know a top address a lingerie set a pair of shorts whatever don't they
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deserve to know what they may look like I'm sure it's all well and good it's great it's great for
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them but it's unhealthy for them it's also I see what they might look like in this point I remember
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ten years ago a woman used to you sort of want a tree and to look good in their wedding dress
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is there plus size wedding dress no I don't know um I want to say I want to add something to the
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conversation in terms of why there are more plus size models plus size campaigns and clothing I think
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it's if you look at it from the business angle corporations are only going to go where the money
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is right exactly so if they can see the trends and see that people are getting fatter so obviously
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they're going to be more fat people to sell to so that also incentivizes them to create and to support
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and to fund this fat uh or this positivity they don't care about the health it's only for the money
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then it creates even more fat people that's the point so that's why it's actually dangerous
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it's not because you guys are looking at it from a personal angle of oh it makes me feel better
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but on the larger society for money there are nefarious acts being done behind the scenes to
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make sure that these things continue and can I say something can I say something would you think it's
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more positive for for a company to get a plus size model or a company to encourage you to lose weight
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it's not that it's hold on we're talking about corporate social responsibility now and it's not like
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it's not a company's responsibility per se to encourage fat people to lose weight
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their priority is to make profit by selling their product why is it a company's responsibility to
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tell you not to litter or why is it a company's responsibility to tell you should uh accept pride
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firstly why do they do that okay can I don't think they should like I don't think so you've got let's
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say lloyd's bank right pride month comes around and all these companies who actually have nothing to
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do with sexuality lloyd's bank is just an example that I have they throw up a different logo with
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the pride flag incorporated that is um like a lot of people call it virtual signal you realize
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just a lot of people called you a bigot now because just for more clients shouldn't do that
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no I didn't say that they shouldn't do that I'm saying if that no no no no no listen very carefully
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because I don't think what I'm saying is actually that complex so a company that has nothing to do
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with like let's say health and fitness um let's say I don't know like a oral b right they make
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toothbrushes should they is it their responsibility to encourage people to lose weight and eat healthy
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no they should just sell toothbrushes and toothpaste right then so why are we having this conversation
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because you just answered your own question what was my question if you don't remember it why should
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I answer no so it was it was is it if they're going to do it and and hire fat models to advertise
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the clothing and and it's going to be on magazines everywhere and it's going to be pushed in the media
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that it's okay to be fat then is it better to do that or is it better for them to encourage people
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to lose weight they're already they're already doing one yeah should they encourage the yellow
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the actual healthier out the companies that you're talking about and not only companies who actually
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have business marketing to fat people like clothing companies we're talking like they might be
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advertising train tickets and they'll have a plus size couple and people in one school of thought
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would say that's terrible you're encouraging people to be fat and buy train tickets it's not the train
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tickets company to encourage people to lose weight we've all just said the onus is on the individual
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if you want to talk about corporate social corporate social responsibility we have to look at the
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companies who actually profit from people being fat what about what about what about marketing to kids
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yeah because they don't get any good good message to kids so I would say it's okay to be fat I would
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say that the weight loss industry are the people who profit most from people being fat because they like
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slimming world for example it's designed so that you keep going back into it and back into it and back into it
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that's why they give you these point systems and they do these things that keep you trapped
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because they want you to remain losing weight forever they don't actually want you to get
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fitter I'd rather a society industry is worse I'd rather a society that sells weight loss pills
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than a society that tells you hey it's okay get fat and die early that is I'm not gonna that is the
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most silliest thing you've said what you should prefer is a world full of greens fresh things fresh
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vegetables organic stuff yeah that's how you know you've been watching too many magazines
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and too many internet things but the hills are never good pills are just made up in a
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because his point is at least you're going towards the ideal and instead of saying you're okay as is
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not saying that the pills are good but he's saying he would rather live in a world where we're at
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least trying to be thin you just acknowledged how people go back to being fat you acknowledge that
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you know the fashion true yeah the fashion industry doesn't actually care about plus size
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because they don't when when you order plus size clothes it's poorer quality and the cuts are just
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basic so the brands are just doing what they're doing and the biggest thing for me is why are they
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still trying to give big people like trans because they make more money no they don't make money
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because they're just selling they're not actually promoting plus size they're just making this
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actually popular now they make more money no they're just making a quick buck because they
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don't actually care it's not effort effort it's not even it's not even brands caring about
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the whole point isn't should they push it it's that they do and right now they do i don't think they
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do for men i don't think you're right it's mostly to pander to women yeah i agree body positivity is not
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a male movement it's absolutely a female movement i agree but there are plus size male models there
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are like on online shopping sites there's plus size male models but 100 is targeted to more towards
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women because men idolize people in good shape fitness trainers uh people with good physiques online
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because they want to go the opposite route and get a good body to attract a high quality woman
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well isn't it because the market spend sits with women women are like the consumers
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when it comes to when it comes to women make 80 percent of consumer buying decisions you're right
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right so it's not it's not necessarily that men it's like nothing to do with men and being
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attractive it's just that like women spend more money on looking good no fox fuck yeah i would say
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yeah for in terms of fashion 100 that's why there's more female plus size models but men go in the
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opposite direction and want to shred as much as they can or get in the best shape possible who's buying
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more protein supplements who's buying more weight probably not weight loss supplements but just
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and not the not the big like fat big but good physique big we're not we're not stupid we know
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what you mean like yeah like i'm pretty sure like we're all in this conversation and we we understand
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the terminology around it i think there's also something to be said around treating bigger people
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who clearly like are not pts and are not in the gym as much as you guys or healthier fitter people
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as if they were born yesterday a lot of us like we know the fact it's just that certain people are
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not doing anything about it actively or some people are on that journey and still look big but there's
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a certain amount of arrogance i think around people who are fit and the way that they perceive people
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who are unfit and how that manifests as treatment which is why i actually heard of that woman who
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like she was really big and she wants to buy it she thinks that plane seats should be like three seats
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wide because oh my god we spoke about a lot right because she can't like fit in a single plane seat
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like that there's a certain amount of ignorance from fit people towards unfit people and i think that's
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why it manifests what do you mean ignorance arrogance and ignorance like just that clarification it's like
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we know what you mean by getting big in the gym it's like there's context that i think i don't think
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i don't think he was being arrogant no i'm more i i think i think it's the other way around i think
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the fat who are asking for extreme on the plane are claiming to be victims they're they're the ones
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walking around with arrogance and saying hey i deserve better treatment yeah whereas the fit don't look
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down on you they just look at you maybe that you have a lack of discipline or maybe maybe uh you could
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make healthier choices i would encourage all my fat mates to lose weight and get in better shape
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that doesn't mean i look down upon them do you think there's a back and forth between the fit and
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the unfit and it's sort of like the anti gets upped where you've got people asking for like three
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literal plane seats so that they can sit comfortably on a plane and then you've got fit people who are
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antagonizing fat people for the way they look do you not think there's a back and forth between those
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two halves of what do you call antagonizing i don't think i think like we're talking about
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victimhood a lot of people who are big and feel particularly sensitive about being big they would
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see particular comments as antagonizing whereas you guys might see it as like a healthy bit of
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bullying and it gets you to where you want to be but people like being fat is a very sensitive issue
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because it stems from an emotional deficit and that's something that i think a lot of people would
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accept as being true so if it stems from an emotional deficit you know that it's a sensitive
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subject i think i think i think fit people are trying to help i i really do i think i think most
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fit people i mean i've even offered us at any day you guys want to work out 11 a 11 a.m coming i swear
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to god i'll do it even one of my my produce one of my my other producer struggles with his way i make
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him go up the stairs with me like like i think most fit people i don't make him he does it out
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of his free will don't don't clip that but but no but like most fit people will help you like most
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fit people are encouraging but like i just think we get to a point where fat people don't want to
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talk about what's reality yeah and the reality is it is an early grave the reality is you shouldn't
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be content at it as is the reality is a lot of people will have problems because of the choices that
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you make nobody has denied that though but but i i would say maybe i'm not saying they're denying it
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i'm saying the movement in general i'm not talking about you guys personally says to be content as is
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and focuses on mental health i don't think we should focus on mental health i think we should focus on
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physical health first i just think that both things can exist at once and that's my standpoint like
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i i think that you can want to be better and you can improve yourself and you can also not hold
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yourself back from things that you want to do and with the plane seat thing that's that's a really
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complicated one because i can empathize with the pain that they must feel how embarrassing that must
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be and i can understand the jerk reaction to be like oh well the seats should just be bigger i
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understand that but like when i couldn't go down a slide my thought was not this slide should be
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bigger right it was i should be smaller like this is not normal that i can't go down this slide
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but i've also sat on a plane before where i've had a bigger person next to me and they've apologized
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for their weight and i felt really sad that they felt like they had to do that don't don't you think
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like all of these adjustments are enabling it like making bigger clothes making bigger seats making
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like putting models in the media like it isn't in a way it's enabling it the same way it's the same
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the same way handing alcohol and making it easy easy to drink is enabling and alcohol people used to
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train to fit in a wedding dress a couple years ago now people used to go to the art post i'll try and
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be like listen i want to get in this wedding dress i want to be a certain weight everyone still does that
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no i think they are plus size uh no no no girl come on 60 60 of us are overweight like they do not
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when people get married they i don't know anyone who's got married and not tried to lose weight for
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their wedding day no but pearl's question was is it enabling people to get fatter to a degree no i don't
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i don't think that anybody like i have a lot of skinny friends most of my friends are skinny and i don't
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think any of my skinny friends have ever looked at me and been like do you know what i'd like to get
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fatter they've never it's just never happened no but it's enabling you it's enabling you they're
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not saying i want to get fatter they're saying because you're seeing it every oh and it's okay
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we can do this that it's enabling them to get further i don't even if it's subconsciously i can
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still eat like this honestly like because i mean my big thing is i have a sugar addiction i kind of like
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it when people like when i'm eating something bad and someone says something to be about it
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like because i'm like yeah i probably should it like i think it's helpful makes you feel guilty
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yeah and i think those things are part of normal conversations though i don't think there's
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anything necessarily wrong with that specifically like my boyfriend is skinny and i'll say that to
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him because he has a major sweet tooth and he eats a lot of crap like and i'll be like that is your
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second piece of cake today you know like and he's not fat like i think that's a normal conversation but
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we're both mentally stable people you can't say that to everyone do you know skinny people could have a high
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visceral fat yeah that's a huge thing that is missed out in the body positivity movement and i
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think it gets to a point where we have to stop it's much deeper than what they want to be helped and help
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them how they need to be helped it's like we talked about it earlier right when people have a really
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serious drug addiction there comes a point where your loved ones you have like a bit of an intervention
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right and your people they sit you down they say you need help you're going to die your kids need
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you around so off you go you're going to rehab for six to twelve months and you're not coming back until
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you sort yourself out so at what point do we stop helping people how they want to be helped and
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help them how they need to be helped how do fat people need to be helped well it depends on the
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person doesn't you said not they want to be that's how so depending on the person is how they would
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want to be helped no it depends how do people in general need to be helped do the government need
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to come in and say okay no more mcdonald's well i don't have the answer to that their friends family and
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people around a plus size model how they care how could people encourage what is the best way
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to encourage people to lose weight for me i found what i did encouraged a lot of people a lot of
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people were like oh yeah i should lose weight too from the video i made there was a really positive
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video about wanting to help myself like i got a lot of positive response from that i got a little
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negative response from people being like it makes me really sad that you call yourself fat because i'm
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bigger than you because i i made a few jokes i i picked fun at myself and i called myself fat in
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the video and that made some people feel bad well they should tell them they're fat too and they
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should they should work out it's not how i think though i just don't think like that and i don't
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think i would argue that i don't think accommodating is necessarily enabling in the same way if you want
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to compare it to drug addiction i would say that there are healthy ways to use drugs and like i think
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it's in the netherlands they have places you can go where you can shoot up with clean needles and things
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like that and i think that harm reduction is much better than just saying no it's like celibacy it
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just doesn't work no i mean as as like i i had i had a cousin that died from like drug addiction
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i'm sorry to hear that i mean it's okay it was a while ago but i just don't think that enabling's
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like i wouldn't look at someone that gave him drugs in a healthy way and say oh thank you for that
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like i i think i think it was it would actually be a negative thing i think there's a difference between
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enabling and accommodating and and one is realistic yeah is it a means to an end accommodating and like
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um safe usage that's a means to an end right the end is that you'd hope that the person stops using
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drugs accommodating fatness the end is that you hope that the person yeah so in the same vein
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how is a person going to stop using drugs if they're being given it safely and how is a fat person
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going to stop getting fat or maintain his weight if he doesn't stop or he or she doesn't stop eating
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something um interesting that i came across recently was as a plus-size model i was thinking
00:23:48.100
like i want to make my own brand i want to invest a lot of money into something and start producing
00:23:52.900
something and i thought about making plus-size lingerie i thought about making plus-size clothes
00:23:56.260
i spoke to some financial advisors i spoke to a few people and everybody told me do not do it because
00:24:01.300
there's no money in staying fat like that is what i was taught by professionals they were like the money
00:24:06.740
isn't losing weight not being fat but why because he asked you a question like what's the best way to
00:24:11.460
help fat people isn't it diet and exercise isn't that the best way to lose weight is to first start
00:24:21.460
telling yourself that it's one step at a time one step at a time um have a plan give yourself okay
00:24:29.300
imagine i do 10 sit-ups today tomorrow i'm going to go for 15 if it's still hard i'm going to do 15 on
00:24:35.460
the third day then i'm going to push myself to do 20 and along with that even trying new foods and
00:24:41.540
just eating fresh things diet and exercise it's diet and exercise but a lot of people that don't lose
00:24:47.460
weight it's because of mobility issues so it's again if i can't do this with my knee what can i do how
00:24:53.380
can i move my upper but not everyone has a mobility issue like for the last three years like governments have
00:25:00.580
put out ad campaigns you should you should take this it's safe or you know smoking ads are put up
00:25:07.620
on television would you guys be opposed to a government ad saying if you continue eating this
00:25:12.980
way you're going to die that's why they had that i just i just want to say firstly losing weight is
00:25:20.180
20 fitness and it's 80 nutrition so when you're talking about mobility um it has nothing to do with
00:25:26.340
sit ups how does it do with running or in the gym is is 80 diet anyway so if you want to lose weight
00:25:33.540
then know where the 80 is nobody 20 is and you personalize your program to that also when people
00:25:40.100
if you want to do i need to i need to come in because there are a couple of things that i want to push
00:25:43.860
back on from something that pia said it goes back to every like a lot of these things tie back to each
00:25:49.380
other you said both things can exist at the same time that that that's in my opinion is a very wrong
00:25:54.740
ideology because if you say you can want to lose weight and at the same time enjoy your body the
00:26:02.180
weight is in its current state i i think that is you actually stopping yourself from actually losing
00:26:08.340
weight because both things can't actually exist at the same time it goes back to the same thing we
00:26:12.500
talked about on this podcast where women want everything you can't have everything in life so if
00:26:16.980
you really want to lose weight you need to um how will i put it you need to basically starve yourself of
00:26:23.940
certain things but you can't be enjoying those things and trying to lose weight because you
00:26:29.620
wouldn't lose weight so for instance like you said a bikini should be earned when you stop yourself from
00:26:35.060
wearing a bikini till you earn it you would actually get that goal you're saying this but if you yeah but
00:26:40.020
if you're if you're able to wear the bikini on a sunday and say you're going to go to the gym on a
00:26:45.860
monday you're not going to work as hard in the gym i think that you're confusing like um aesthetics and
00:26:51.780
health there because for me those things aren't particularly linked i want to lose weight because
00:26:55.620
i want to be healthy but i don't dislike the way that i look i'm not confusing it i'm not confusing
00:26:59.140
you know why because a lot of times we try to be um deeper than we actually should be a lot of these
00:27:04.660
things are actually very soft trying to make it more complex facts facts facts before you can talk
00:27:09.380
about all these things about the mind or your eyes are the first thing that you used to see so your your
00:27:14.980
brain is going to work on what it sees so no matter what you try to tell yourself in your head
00:27:19.060
your eyes still see what you look like and that's the reason why i wanted to ask the question to the
00:27:24.340
personal trainers because it's very funny pearl asked what is the best way to lose weight and with
00:27:29.620
all due respect i don't think um you are in the right position to answer that question um puff no but
00:27:35.700
he did say partially it was correct no i know i know but the reason why i'm saying that is because this is
00:27:41.460
the thing you um it's like that question should have been answered by the personal trainers in my
00:27:49.140
opinion because one they have worked with people that help people lose weight so they know if even
00:27:54.420
if if you haven't done it you saying it is kind of like okay it kind of counteracts your argument
00:28:01.860
there are personal trainers yeah who actually don't understand injuries they don't literally they don't
00:28:08.500
understand it because they keep on working with fit people and that's why they just ain't nobody
00:28:13.700
there's a lot of there's a lot of that's it locally like yeah like people because there's
00:28:18.980
something you said no it makes me know that you don't really understand this because you said something
00:28:23.460
like what um when you go to the gym it's scary you see these people working out the reality is because
00:28:27.940
i worked in the gym the reality is some the fittest people are actually the most empathetic okay okay
00:28:32.900
because they've had to do the hard work they know just just last week i think what you do what you've
00:28:40.580
done essentially is you've you put a mental block on yourself so you see things that actually not
00:28:45.300
there you're going to the gym you see people looking at you and you think oh my god they're
00:28:48.580
judging me the reality is most people don't even care about other people okay so i joined the gym
00:28:54.340
a week and a half ago in essex now it's my induction and some things obviously i know how to use
00:29:02.020
because i use it but because i want to improve myself i was like so are you going to show me
00:29:07.860
around like he's like yeah that's that that's that and i'm like so aren't you going to show me how to
00:29:12.340
use it because i at least want to use it and then he goes well you're not going to use it are you i'm
00:29:17.140
like why am i joining then i'm like you need you shouldn't be working in the gym i literally told him
00:29:22.340
yeah you changed him that's a bad experience yeah yeah that's just a bad experience no but no but it
00:29:26.900
happens a lot and it's not large because that's what i mean by encouragement when people aren't
00:29:32.660
used to working hey hey 11 a.m tomorrow you can't say this i was just going to say this this this you
00:29:42.340
offered this same thing the last time i was here and between then and now we haven't seen you here
00:29:47.220
can i say why can i can i can i can i tell you why why my dad's got cancer and he's been in hospital
00:29:54.100
and this week i actually gave him his a sponge bath and when you're gonna lose a father and when
00:30:03.300
you're seeing them deteriorate you ain't like it's like i've just been going it's like i don't have
00:30:11.140
any emotions so sorry to hear about i've just been keeping busy and a part of keeping busy is i know i
00:30:18.180
need to drink water and and actually care for myself which is keeping active and getting good
00:30:24.980
sleep and literally eating healthy and that's the way i'm living now and when i go to work stuff that
00:30:30.500
you see on instagram tiktok events and stuff like that i only go there get the picture done take a few
00:30:36.660
say hello to a few people and leave and then i wake up i've been hospital then i've got errands to do
00:30:41.380
like i live a life at hannah montana so i cook and clean at home i do i do the caring when my when
00:30:49.220
my nephews are here i'm an uncle i actually read books to them i teach them how to cook because i want
00:30:55.060
them to have real skills so when they go out and i take them out to like we learn about things nature
00:31:01.140
all these things so you don't have any personal time for yourself i don't actually know and and and
00:31:06.980
that's the thing when when p when someone's losing their life or they will hopefully they don't you
00:31:14.340
just have to be positive and there needs to be that care and i'm someone who cares about my dad and
00:31:18.020
i have and i have a lot of like empathy for that but it's like you're sitting on a couch for three
00:31:24.500
hours here so it kind of just shows where your priorities are but can i say something i've been
00:31:30.740
here like twice and you know keep coming you're very good content social media as well nothing nothing
00:31:36.260
like personal but it kind of shows like where your priorities are because you have time but
00:31:40.580
but pearl without sounding rude as much as i love this podcast when romeo asked me i was like romeo
00:31:48.580
na na na oh na na because i actually really wanted to watch and dub tonight because why because it
00:31:55.380
helps me keep active i'm gonna dance i'm gonna be like grooving i swear it's i have a good time
00:32:02.580
podcast ain't really me but coming on your podcast because i enjoy you yeah that's why i'm here oh
00:32:08.340
oh i'm actually i'm not my point is my point isn't about the podcasting it's just i think we all make
00:32:16.020
choices in okay sorry i just need to i want to share a personal experience so this might help you um when
00:32:25.620
i started working here i went through certain personal things in my life which i'm not going to
00:32:28.980
disclose and disclose but i think pearl knows a few of them but the point i'm trying to make is for
00:32:34.020
the longest time even after i started getting my life back on track i wasn't working out i'm someone
00:32:39.860
you might look at me you might think i'm fit but i'm only just starting to get my fitness back but
00:32:44.100
the reality is the reason why i wasn't working out was because of all this life stress and all of that
00:32:48.820
and even when i kind of started getting my life on track i still wasn't working out but the reality is
00:32:53.700
because that was happening because i wasn't prioritizing it once i start i got punched in
00:32:58.420
the ribs when we're sparring the other day and i kind of woke up and i was like you know what i'm
00:33:02.020
going to make time for the gym and i have been able to create the time so the reality is no matter
00:33:06.580
what you're going through in life you can always create time for the things that are most important
00:33:10.820
do you know what is because i was depressed most of my life i've been in bed most of my life okay
00:33:17.220
great so being active is actually a thing can i can i just add to that i just want to ask one
00:33:22.660
question what's the what's the one thing that you spend most money on when you don't have time
00:33:29.380
travel and food travel and food would you say that if you want to lose weight and get better
00:33:34.340
why not spend that money on a nutritionist so whereas it's not physical it's something a little
00:33:39.940
bit more personalized program where this person could help you even if you don't have time which is
00:33:44.980
what pearl's saying priorities listening to you guys i know why i am also plus size it is because
00:33:52.100
literally i am busy and i've always been which is fine and and and i can't fully share how it is for
00:34:00.660
me because i'm once i do my goals that i need to do in my career that's why i can share my story about
00:34:06.100
i've suffered and i suffer and i don't take mental health as an excuse i hear what mental health experts
00:34:12.900
have got to say but to me i'm like no if i hear what mental health experts have to say although
00:34:18.340
i go through it i'm like no because if i hear that that's it i'm falling into and the brain i learned
00:34:24.580
the power of the brain in the last two years i learned the power of the brain you can really push
00:34:32.580
yourself there's there are things like and um 11 a.m tomorrow let's push yourself come on
00:34:39.780
to get on a coach 11 a.m the next day no but just remember there is always a way and do not
00:34:44.980
okay yes yes you're right there is no way and and i'm i'm stressing and suffering and
00:34:51.220
i don't want to play devil's advocate but like you know i think everyone suffers everyone has a point of
00:34:57.140
suffering of course would you guys say that overweight people tend to have more excuses
00:35:03.860
i don't even okay especially when it comes to fitness or should i mean i think i think just in
00:35:08.980
this like conversation we could say yes sometimes i'm not gonna lie when when you're not feeling it
00:35:16.020
it's like when you're big you're always constantly feeling heavy and even like exercising is heavy and
00:35:22.100
then the muscle pain no i know in five minutes you literally get muscle pain i could say the same
00:35:26.820
i have a sugar addiction right and there's this um there's a like sort of a nutrition guy that like
00:35:32.820
texts me he's like how's your sugar and i'm like bad bad and it's because of my own choices it's because
00:35:37.620
i i lack discipline that's it it's because i lack discipline and i keep making that choice to drink
00:35:43.060
pure sugar coffee in the morning there is that but how about i tell you when you went like and now that
00:35:48.500
i've got it and like i'm better but in the past when i've exercised that exercise session will put
00:35:55.220
me into bed for a week i wouldn't be able to figure out so that's why i've been walking and that's why
00:36:01.380
i say my best way of is so so we got to figure out maybe it's diet maybe it's just diet like i know what
00:36:08.020
it is it's me it's me actually what what do you guys think is more effective someone being strict in
00:36:13.140
the gym are strict with their diet diet diet for sure i've been saying it but you don't even need
00:36:17.940
to go to gym that's the truth but baby man i did lose eight stones yeah no no that's great but even
00:36:23.060
when you were saying like you're one of your number one expenses is food like i i notice when my food
00:36:28.180
bill is high that's when i gain weight because i've been eating out actually healthy food is really
00:36:32.740
expensive gas what i don't drive out gas man healthy food is expensive you need fuel to be able to move
00:36:41.060
no it's not okay no okay look at okay look at the average juice you want to buy a good and a natural
00:36:47.940
pressed juice and you want to buy that much water yes okay yeah i do drink water and i love i love
00:36:57.060
juice and sugar like that's like my my kryptonite so i get it but at the end of the day it's just a
00:37:02.100
choice like we could drink water it is a choice and addictions people do have addictions it's different
00:37:07.140
for different people how i've got willpower some people may not and it's just the way it is i think
00:37:12.580
there's a lot more willpower for a lot of people they think that the willpower isn't going to the
00:37:17.540
gym but it is actually in what you eat because i think one of the super chats said this and this
00:37:21.860
was the point i was going to make you you have to discipline the one thing you rely on right we're
00:37:26.660
talking about drug addiction we're talking about smoking people don't need to smoke to live but you
00:37:29.860
do need to eat to live thing is you cannot out exercise a poor diet right because there's only so many
00:37:35.060
hours in the day and your body has a physical limit you could eat 12 cheeseburgers and then like get on
00:37:41.140
the treadmill for as long as you can and you know you can't really you can't out exercise the 12
00:37:46.260
cheeseburgers that you ate which is why it probably does need to start with diet and we were talking
00:37:50.900
about companies and corporate social responsibility earlier look at how much uh like the cheapest burger
00:37:56.660
from mcdonald's is like less than a pound or something or at least it was um but then if you go and
00:38:01.060
buy like a lot of people would compare and i've seen this all over instagram like mcdonald's is
00:38:05.860
really cheap compared to fruit or vegetables or a gym membership and that's what a lot of people
00:38:12.100
who like really support the body positivity movement would come back with
00:38:15.700
uh like it's about cost and and convenience and that's why going back to poor people because it's
00:38:21.220
cheaper eggs are cheap oatmeal's cheap you know well eggs yeah yeah the the the rubbish eggs are cheap
00:38:28.100
but if you're gonna buy free range that's like that you know and honestly my dad he he's always been
00:38:33.860
like thinner like in shape pretty much like never really struggled with it he lives on fast food but
00:38:39.220
he just doesn't eat a lot some people are just blessed no he's not blessed he just runs and do you
00:38:44.420
think well and he also eats a lot of like chicken from those places so do you think being fat is a result
00:38:50.420
of your environment too because my dad my dad runs a gym and that's how i got into the gym do you guys
00:38:57.940
feel like maybe it's because of the environment of course actually that's that's my my next one question
00:39:02.820
i had is is is uh yes obesity for children child abuse absolutely wait hold on obesity for children
00:39:13.540
yeah so if a child's obese is because the adult is feeding them yeah when they're aware yes if they're
00:39:19.140
not aware no because some because some parents are like my child has to eat they have to have this
00:39:24.340
they have to have that i noticed so you guys all said yes immediately do you feel like you're in the
00:39:29.860
position you're in because you were fed bad food as a child absolutely not because and i i said this last
00:39:35.620
time i hate to sound repetitive for the people who love the show but like your your circumstances may
00:39:40.340
not be your fault but it's your responsibility to change it well i just i just i just correct right
00:39:46.420
but i'm saying like when you were younger did that were you always big or did you get big when you were
00:39:50.260
older um i was smaller when i was younger and then it just like every year like okay i've just gotten
00:39:56.900
bigger okay i was just wondering if the food you ate at home affected that or no um i think to a degree
00:40:02.820
it did but i think a lot of it is just adult okay like i was i really think fried chicken and
00:40:08.980
chicken and chip shops in east london ruined me because growing up no i'm just being honest
00:40:14.420
because growing up in my household there was fish there was vegetables there was everything and it
00:40:18.340
was home cooked and my mom was always health conscious as well so it is what's it's again it
00:40:25.220
just goes to show if you grow up in a community where there are things like that and they're
00:40:29.060
promoted and they're cheap you will eat it and you will get big and that's what exactly what happened
00:40:33.460
um what do you guys think child abuse 100 yeah for sure i'd say it like it's a parent's
00:40:40.660
responsibility to care for their kids and if you're getting to a point where they're extremely unhealthy
00:40:46.260
or obese then it is child abuse oh my god yes because i mean i have a niece back home and every
00:40:52.020
time i'm with my parents and they're feeding that child i'm like don't give her too much of macaroni
00:40:58.180
don't give her too much of this and that like make sure she's eating small portions make sure she's
00:41:01.860
eating healthy so your your family's obese what what is this like conversations like with you
00:41:08.980
no no no i mean i'm saying my niece yeah when i see them feeding her no you've just every time you've
00:41:14.420
been the show a couple times you always mention your overweight like family so i'm just wondering
00:41:19.620
like what do you do what are your conversations like like do you tell them my family yeah all the
00:41:24.580
time oh yeah yeah even my cousin that died she saw the last um podcast and she even came to me
00:41:31.700
and she was like oh my god everything you guys was talking about was right i was like great so you
00:41:36.740
should be giving yourself that that type of uh advice but again it wasn't up to me yeah it was
00:41:42.740
up to her to take the advice on herself you know what i mean one of the um things that i would say
00:41:48.500
on terms of like children like i was a skinny kid like i grew up skinny uh but one thing that i will
00:41:54.100
never do that my parents did with me that i think a lot of parents do of people who get overweight as
00:41:58.740
adults is um food was like a reward if i did well at school i got to go for a nice dinner
00:42:04.500
um i got a treat if i did good at something and so when i was in university in like drama school
00:42:10.260
um and i got into this binge purge restrict routine um that was partly where like the dopamine rush came
00:42:15.940
from eating junk food was because when i grew up because i ate so healthy as a kid junk food was a reward
00:42:22.420
and when i had kids like i'd like to have a much healthier and if they do well in the exam like i would
00:42:27.060
never take them for a meal to celebrate that i'd do something else that was part of my issue okay
00:42:32.420
what do you think i feel like it's child abuse only because the child has no control over what they can
00:42:38.500
or cannot eat at the end of the day your parent will cook for you and then they'll be like they
00:42:43.620
have the food on the table go and eat so where you were saying that you were rewarded like when you
00:42:48.420
were being like good or whatever my dad he's an athlete so when the moment i started putting on weight
00:42:55.220
he would decide nope he used to make me do four laps around a track i used to see him four laps that's
00:43:00.580
it and the slower i got he'll be i'll be reprimanded again he'll be like oh well like it wouldn't be
00:43:07.540
good for me in any shape or form so for me i feel like i've taken a lot of sacrifices i haven't always
00:43:12.900
been this size i used to be once a lot bigger and then because of my diagnosis i said to myself listen
00:43:18.420
i have to make a sacrifice so i became vegan and then from that that's where i started to lose more
00:43:23.300
weight as well i need to be as light as possible so that i can manage my condition as well as other
00:43:28.740
people so if i have a relapse tomorrow and i'm like what 200 kilograms or 120 kilograms or whatever
00:43:35.940
i'm going to be a lot harder to manage than if i was 80 kilograms do you get what i'm trying to say
00:43:40.900
so for me personally you have to kind of think of the longevity of your life otherwise you know
00:43:48.340
there's no value in that i have a question for the bodybuilders
00:43:56.020
the bodybuilders yeah um if someone wanted to lose weight weight which step do you because i hear
00:44:02.580
this a lot that you need to attack it from both sides do everything but i actually don't think
00:44:06.020
that's correct i think you have to start somewhere right so if someone were to start would you advise
00:44:11.060
them to change that diet first or go to the gym first if it's an obese person i'm saying ease
00:44:19.300
yourself into it that you don't have to go nuts in the gym straight off the bat i think you got to go
00:44:24.740
diet first like like the guys have said 80 diet 20 exercise diet first ease your way into it go then
00:44:31.300
then move your way into exercise walking then resistance training slowly you know other forms of
00:44:37.700
equipment but you have to work up towards it your body's going to react pretty suddenly to it but
00:44:41.540
definitely diet first and the reason to that is um the first thing i'll do to clients is i'll put
00:44:46.020
them on the most gyms have skills right and these skills give you um certain numbers when your
00:44:52.740
clients see these numbers now you have to explain to them what category they're in you know this is
00:44:58.340
healthy this is heading into the danger zone or this is alarming and that is by diet
00:45:07.940
there's not much that the gym could do with these numbers so now you have to explain to this person
00:45:13.220
okay yes we're going to start training and then this is the particular type of training that you will
00:45:18.580
be doing but now because of what because of the lifestyle that you're you're doing right now it needs
00:45:26.340
to change and because of the diet you have right now it needs to change because whatever you're doing
00:45:30.820
right now is causing these numbers to grow and to get into the alarming range so i'd say 100 um diet
00:45:43.380
i thought he was a personal trainer as well yeah oh okay no but 100 no i feel like it's
00:45:48.420
more so diet first are you not a trainer no i am okay i was just really taking in what you were
00:45:54.900
saying i was like hold on wait it was like i'll do it for a second no 100 i feel like diet first and
00:46:01.140
then after that it would be like exercise and so because you need to create some sort of sustainable
00:46:06.740
lifestyle for yourself so you need to ease yourself into it and be able to like you know micromanage
00:46:12.820
yourself into you know what i'm trying to say you know what's funny about that i actually disagree
00:46:17.380
with all three of them i think you're wrong i mean i can prove you wrong as well but you can prove
00:46:24.980
you want to try it you want you want us to go but you take one fat person i'll take another fat
00:46:31.540
person let's see who gets the best results 11 a.m tomorrow but in terms of like the discussion
00:46:38.740
the reason why i say i think that that's well i wouldn't say it's incorrect because there's no
00:46:42.820
right way to anything but the reason why i don't think that's the most optimal way is because um
00:46:49.620
one companies benefit from this whole ideology behind dieting so if you look at where the money goes
00:46:57.300
usually you should go in the opposite direction so um i always think of it like this if i have to pay
00:47:03.620
money for anything i'll rather do the thing that's free going to working out is free you
00:47:08.660
can go for a run on the road you can do all of that and reason why i think working out is better
00:47:12.660
first is because i think it's more sustainable and it gives you more of a feedback than dieting
00:47:19.540
dieting is very broad it's like it's almost like when you say dieting most people are confused they
00:47:24.580
don't even know what you're talking about nice i have a question but the reason why i think working
00:47:28.020
out is actually more important is because if you go to the gym every day and you're able to stay
00:47:32.420
consistent with that your body will give you feedback one two the harder it gets it will get harder
00:47:37.540
first before it gets easier right yeah but i don't motivate the same the same goes for a diet though
00:47:41.940
no because the reason why i'm trying to make this point is because these days when it
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when the wine uh an era where people hammer so much on mental health and all this crap right i actually
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i agree that these are the things that hindering people from achieving these goals right reality is
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you cannot have a strong mind without a strong body first right but both require discipline having a
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good diet and exercising regularly but you still have to build a strong body to get to the strong
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mentality yeah but how are you gonna you gotta get you gotta get yourself to a point to build the
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strong body no you can start straight away with the diet you can build the strong body even when you
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don't want to so i have people okay so body so you're exercising still yeah but you're still eating
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like a pig yeah but the more you keep exercising the more the discipline comes because that's if you're
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working hard at exercise and you're seeing that you're still putting on this yeah but enough effort
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that you're getting to your goals and your body is still giving you that um feedback of you do this
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and it's painful you would want to improve in other areas to make that endeavor easier yeah but
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you could burn a thousand calories i would disagree and agree you could burn a thousand calories and
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eat four thousand calories it just i think you got to start with your diet first yeah i disagree i'm sorry
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go ahead no i was gonna say i'll disagree and agree is because if you start having that consistency
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and discipline yes you're gonna get stronger um you're gonna get stronger mindset you're gonna
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get a fitter body but then when you continue eating poor diet then they're definitely not
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gonna change but what it will do when you work out what it will do it will encourage you yes
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what do you guys think what do you guys think what would you rather start with i think
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start exercising or or start with your diet first because you guys have 11 a.m tomorrow
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one second i think um the the part that i agree on is because of that discipline and consistency
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it is going to encourage you to eat healthier because you know start feeling better you know
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start feeling fitter it will encourage you to eat more healthy and that's the part i agree on you on
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but still i mean diet wins because even when i started working out again
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i was saying for the longest i'm going to stop fizzy drinking i didn't actually stop until i started
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going to the gym yeah so because the thing you're in the stairs and doing the stairs is actually the
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start of everything yeah yeah you see that you see the elevator up we do the stairs so yeah
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for me yeah but i think now you're a little bit more conscious on your diet though right yeah yeah
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in the process of i've really Charlie's way i find it much easier to eat better on days i've worked out
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that morning because i have this whole thing in my head of like i don't want to undo it i don't want
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to undo it i don't want to do it you know whereas if i haven't worked out that day i'm like well
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you know what i mean it's it is easier but the diet is the more effective thing like i used to
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never ever do this but when i was skinnier i used to do water fasts um particularly for roles or for
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auditions when i was an actor i would water fast for like five days and i would lose like two pounds
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a day could not be me um yeah but i would say that that's like that takes a lot of discipline
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it's very very hard but like i was like not okay when i did do you guys think that weight loss
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programs are toxic toxic if they if they include um taking non-natural things yeah but if it's natural
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and if it's just using your own way and equipment that is no harm to you then no it's not toxic only
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it gets toxic when you add the drugs i think it's the execution of the weight loss program that makes
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it not necessarily toxic but unhelpful um and it doesn't serve the individual what about the company
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what about the biggest loser what's that has that show got cancelled yet wait yeah
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you guys don't know what the biggest it's like it's like a challenge i know i watch
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guys see what you're new they get about eight to ten obese people get pair them up with personal
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trainers prominent personal trainers and they would see who would lose the most weight
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did they gain it back very entertaining show a lot a lot of did i would love to watch if that
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came back i might even go on you but a lot of a lot of the personal trainers we have one in australia
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we can we can make our own version we should do it we should just do it yeah yeah but a personal
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trainer back in australia who was on the show michelle bridges got cancelled because she would have a go at
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that magazines media all pushing body positivity and larger women on magazines and i think the same
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thing happened with a us personal trainer on the biggest loser yeah that's her field she's in fitness
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should she even be getting cancelled for saying this is unhealthy no i don't think she should be
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cancelled but i think it it just it's about sensitivity again right it's this um it's the fact that we want
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to sort of molly cuddle people into we want to wrap them in cotton wool and protect their feelings and
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if a personal trainer is on you know a bit more of the brutal side and their approach is a little bit
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more boot camp-esque they are less palatable less desirable to people who are potentially not as
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serious as as serious about their goals or people who just don't take kindly to being shouted abuse
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yeah so you're saying there's not what you say is how she said execution in that there is a lot in how
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you say it yeah yeah and how weight loss programs like approach things i like it when my trainer is
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a little mean to me just a little bit i've realized you like things in your own little ways
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yeah no but it's like you always have your own little ways you know it's kind of like the teacher
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there are clients i'll come to you and be like i want you to be hard on me
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no no i just think you know otherwise i'll otherwise i'll i'll cancel the personal training
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you know if they don't yell at me i'll i'll be like our clients if you're not hard on them they will
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continue yeah especially if they if you cancel and they're like oh it's okay no it's not okay stop
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letting me do that even if you charge me yeah i agree yeah generally in life are you more dominant
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or like would you say um would you say you're more dominant or you're more on the opposite of
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dominance or submissive you know it depends on the environment i played sports for a while
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so i would say in sports i was more yeah but as an athlete yeah you would rather a coach that
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is strict and hard on the team you want to play for the coach yeah so yeah when you bring up uh
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workout routines toxic at the end of the day it's up to the individual if you don't like the way
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they're executing it you can leave go to the next personal trainer absolutely but you know you want
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someone that's going to keep you accountable at the end of the day yeah fox