Pearl KICKED OUT A Man from Her Show for The First Time.
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the reasons why women don t want to have kids, the benefits of having kids, and whether or not the government should be making it easier for people to have children. We also discuss the concept of ownership and the role of fathers in society.
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you must be ready to marry me also, do you get it?
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Because I'm not about to raise no child by myself.
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And I feel like a lot for a lot of women as well,
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like a lot of the reason why women don't want to have kids,
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You watch your mother grow up as a single mother,
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She goes, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother.
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She says, as long as you're a woman, you're a mother.
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Because bad mothers, bad mothers create bad children.
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But what she's just trying to say was just a simple.
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Meaning that we just have a natural disposition to love.
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It's just a natural inclination to just love and to take care.
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Of course, because they have that potato thing.
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But we're just more extra with it, you know what I mean?
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I think it's been difficult to say this because I think, obviously,
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you guys make all great points here in the room and it's good to have different opinions.
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But from speaking to a lot of women, I'd like to say I've been fairly successful as a man,
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maybe not in terms of relationships, but in terms of friendships and just building trust
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And the conversations I have living in London, you know, some metropolitan city,
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a lot of people have careers and I feel like they're so pressured these days.
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And I feel like, you know, society is making it so difficult for people to actually want to,
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It is very difficult, you know, growing up, watching our mothers struggle.
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So I think when we're talking about owing something, I think we do owe, you know, every,
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you know, we owe something to someone or to the community, to society.
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But I think the government should make it a little bit easier for people.
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Like, you know, a lot of people that want to have kids, I think they probably think they can't afford to have kids.
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Okay, that's no, the government should not make it easier for people.
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We're already very spoiled in this country already.
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I agree with what you said, but I want to get a little granular.
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And I want to ask you in a second, but if I may, because we talk about the concept of ownership.
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And you said, well, maybe the government should make it easier.
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And that completely voiced that over to the responsibility that men have.
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So I asked the guys the question here, just the guys.
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Do you owe it to the world to have the best version of yourself?
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Do you owe it to the world to build institutions?
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Do you owe it to the world to conduct yourself with integrity and character?
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And do you owe it to the world to be a trustworthy, respectable man?
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So I'm going to twist this question a bit in line of what's been said here.
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But I just want to say, you know, I think a lot of guys, they try to be pronatalists, right?
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And they're like, I'm just going to go out there and have a lot of kids, right?
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If I just go out there and I have a lot of kids and I don't treat my wife like a queen,
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if my daughters don't grow up wanting to be moms because of the way they see their mom live,
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And if I treat my wife like and my sons see that, then they're going to treat their wives that way and their daughters, yes.
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It's about rethinking as a society what it means to be married to somebody,
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what it means to sacrifice for somebody because that's what I owe all of this to is her
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I owe it to my wife, but I haven't met her yet.
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Some of us got some generational curses to break.
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Listen, and let me tell you where I'm coming from before I get kicked off the show.
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because each individual person are going through their own pains
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and their own mental brain processes are different.
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Everyone's trying to put us on the same playing field,
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The sky is blue, but the sky is a reflection of the sea.
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Because for example, you always see footballers at like 25 with bare kids.
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They can actually give that child a really good life that they may never have had.
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If I had money, I would be on the hunt for a guy and I would be able to focus.
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I think it's that women throw themselves at these guys.
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I don't know, it's so nice and easy saying, let's reproduce.
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And then this dude brilliantly hijacked my point,
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twisted it into a new point, presented a third point,
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So the question I postulate is do we men owe it to society
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to be the best versions of ourselves to produce useful labor,
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because it gives us a purpose to aim for something higher,
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why is it then that men owe it to society to build institutions?
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Because building institutions, being reliable, being of high character,
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And by the way, the stripes on my suit say make money for that purpose,
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it's not supposed to be as reductive as it seems.
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It just teaches you to be self-reliant and independent
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I said, some people don't have the same opportunities as you.
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Let me finish my point before you argue my point.
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ghetto neighborhood because I'm an immigrant from the Soviet Union,
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and I ate at the food bank, and it was embarrassing.
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Can you see the buttons you're trying to press?
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Anyway, so the aspiration for a man, there has to be a higher purpose, right?
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I'm not saying that we're all, you know, the same and we have the same opportunity.
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The idea is not that we have the same potential.
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We have different potential in the way we present ourselves.
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But the idea of being productive and a man of value is that you have a higher purpose to aim for.
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I'm not going to tell women what they owe or they don't owe.
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But the idea that if a woman owes it to society to have kids, that sets an extremely high bar of
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aspiration because it's so damn hard to be a productive enough person for a man to attract a
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woman who's got enough wisdom and sagaciousness and long-term outlook.
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And by the way, we talk about we don't owe anything anyone, like servitude.
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It's a very high bar to have children, is it not?
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Don't you feel like there has to be like some sort of stability within you and your partner to bring children?
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I take it on myself as a man that it is my job to bring stability.
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And all the stoic literature and all the biblical literature says that it is up to a man to build
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So I aim for the bar, the high bar as a man, that I can be productive and bring stability
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so that I give a woman a safe place to have children.
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One thing we've talked a lot about here, it's the cost of raising children, you know?
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And I think two things can be true simultaneously.
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One thing that is just true across countries is the less money you have, typically the more kids you have.
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And this only really reverses when the family's income is over half a million a year.
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But it's also true that you have to make enormous sacrifices.
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And it is enormously costly to have a kid in our society.
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And I actually think that half a million mark, that's the mark in which people don't really
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So when you're dealing with below that level, I think a question that we need to ask ourselves,
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when people say having kids is expensive, what they mean is having kids is expensive
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My wife and I, we could be earning a lot more money than we do.
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And that is because it was cheaper to raise kids out there.
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And so the cultural groups that do have high fertility, you know,
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often there's these religious, people call them religious extremist weirdos or whatever, right?
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Like they're weird and that they are different from the urban monoculture
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and that they are different from the dominant cultures in our society.
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And one of the things that makes them weird is choosing lifestyles that are significantly
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below the lifestyle they could live based on what they earn, because they believe there are
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things more important than showing off how great they are to the world.
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It's like a more selfless culture is what you're saying.
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Can I bring up something that you said earlier on, obviously about, obviously,
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when you're bringing in kids, you want to obviously give them the best and stuff.
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What about the people who obviously do have kids and they can't give them the best?
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Because, you know, we have all this money in the West
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and we really have a higher standard of living than like any time in human history,
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And even like, there's a clip that just went viral of Kim Kardashian,
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And North is talking about how she prefers to be at Kanye's house.
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So it's like, you know, these kids can have everything,
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but if they don't have what matters, then they care.
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Just my parents used to sell drugs so I could eat all this type of stuff.
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They used to take me to the hot springs, the healing waters.
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They're taking me to all like the Rastafarian events.
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All I remembered from my childhood was getting fish,
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like basically cooking with my dad on the coal stove outside.
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We're going to the hot springs, them dancing together.
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we just have so much stimuli being thrown at us that we just,
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we're confused about every single aspect of our lives from down to our gender,
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When you return to a simpler life, if you unlearn to learn,
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you realize that there's so much joy in just actually having love.
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And you, and you, you and your parents both around, right?
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Like you who might have grown up and you said it was poor,
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you know, Kim's kids where they see their dad twice a month
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and they don't really see their mom either because there's a nanny watching them.
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But I'm saying like, who, who's in a better off position, really?
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I'm saying, I'm saying, I would argue that the kid with both of their parents involved
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is in a better position than the one that has money.
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And so much time and especially like in the West.
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There's so many times where they, we equate money can replace parents and it, and it can't.
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You feel neglected and abandoned when you don't have them, but you have the material.
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Like kids, no offense, like if you notice, like if you give kids money and stuff like that,
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they don't seem as grateful compared to when you actually give them.
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If you want to see messed up kids, look at the kids of rich people.
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Like, if you want to see that the thing that you can always give your kids is yourself.
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And, and, and there are always going to be competing interests from that because society,
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you know, this is, I love capitalism, but the one bad thing about capitalism is it can price an
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individual exactly, exactly the minimum amount it needs to pay them to not spend time on their kids,
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And so remember, you know, yeah, just, just be aware that this system, it's going to try
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to take you away from your family and, and you are the most important thing they have.
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And these traditions, I love you talk about growing up Rastafarian and these traditions
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that they had were so important to you and the traditions that you build for your kids.
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You know, I think a lot of us, we come from backgrounds now where we feel we don't have a
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connection to our ancestors anymore or our traditions.
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And that can mean work with your spouse and build new ones, you know, if you have to,
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So it goes back to our culture though, because when you, when I speak to, again,
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going back to speaking to women, right, when I speak to women and I ask them like, okay,
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so if a guy tells you he's got two, three, four kids, what do you say?
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Usually they say, well, I'm not interested, even if he's got one.
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And then, and then he tells me that there's, there's a problem with our culture.
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And, and I personally don't, if I'm speaking to a girl, she says, look, I've got two kids.
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Yeah, but that's because you've got kids though.
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As I look around the room, that's a strong question.
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So in different situations, you're going to come across different, I guess, mentalities.
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So for me, depending on the person, you're not really owe anyone anything, in my opinion.
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You don't, you know, do men owe it to society to be productive?
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Have you seen the consequences of unproductive men and what they have on society?
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Like if we choose not to be productive, what is the consequences?
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If you're outside at 1 p.m. in a neighborhood and moms are walking strollers, you're a nice neighborhood.
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If you're outside a neighborhood at 1 p.m. and dudes are working out, you're in danger.
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So you would say that every man that is not being productive at this present moment
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The child thing is a little, like that's a few steps ahead.
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I'd say that a man who's not being productive or not taking steps towards being productive,
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Like a man always has to be building something.
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Otherwise, a man becomes a danger to himself and society.
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And we see that, you know, represented in the preponderance of, you know, criminals, for example.
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And you see in countries that have high unemployment rates, you see a lot of very negative correlations with that.
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But the question, you know, the reason that I postulated that earlier is because like
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for a woman to be able to reach her potential to have kids, she needs a man who's reaching his potential.
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And I also think there's a reason why we look down on the homeless like bum crackheads down the street.
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There's a reason why they're considered losers in society.
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Okay, I'm not saying you personally, but I'm saying as a society, do we tend to put crackheads on a pedestal?
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But I mean, I think if you're not doing anything.
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Unfortunately, I don't like I think if you have a job that contributes to society, I think that's fine.
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But I do think you owe your society to be a productive member of society.
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And if women aren't going to go down the kids route, like I think they owe the same exact thing.
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My thing is if you're not doing anything or contribute, contributing towards the society in any way can be anything.
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You need to put something in to get something back.
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The greatest lie, I think, this urban monoculture I talk about, this dominant culture in our society tells people,
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is that if you do whatever you want, whatever you want to do it, that you're going to be happy and fulfilled.
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But when you do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it, a hollowness builds inside you.
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When you are out there working to make the world a better place,
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you will feel a type of happiness that cannot be achieved from anything else.
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True happiness is only achieved by effectively living your value system.
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And more specifically, that leads to some form of suffering through growth.
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And so therefore, and this is the Viktor Frankl argument, right?
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So the next question, I'm going to read Super Chats really quick.
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That's the most important metric that YouTube uses to push out these streams.
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Um, Bryden says, the true question is what brings you meaning?
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It's a classic case of a suit maketh a man not.
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Glenn Lawrence, oh God, here comes the servant leader talk.
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Juan Figuera, as a man, as a man and father of 3, 21, 7, 5, we want children, but the laws
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are unfair and the risk 18 to 25 years of child support to reproduce the female market is unstable
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to risk this amount of effort, paying, paying, I can't read your username, I'm sorry.
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Women that don't have children are super lucius, a society strictly all men can do everything
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Cruxy says, Simone and Malcolm, I appreciate your gene selection, work related.
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Related, please recommend Pearl to talk to Edward Dutton.
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He has greatly helped my understanding of why our world is in the current state.
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Emily Ziegler, thanks to your pearls of wisdom, I've been finding more and more ways to serve
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My husband has been the happiest man and my family is thriving ever since.
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Uh, see, see, see, don't, I can't, guys, I can't say your new usernames.
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Talk about, um, talk about the dancing in rail Israelis on 9-11.
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How do you guys think a cat would answer that question?
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Like if I, if I wasn't a human, if I was just a group of cats sitting here in a suit, pretending to be a person,
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what I, what, what would I, what would I say about the subject?
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Cats would just say, please shut up and give me some tuna right now.
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They'd be like, nah, girls don't have any kids, it's cool.
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You know, I think there's a pretty, pretty strong, like, uh, correlation between the cat population
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and the amount of single childless women, isn't there?
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Some people use animals to masturbate the instinct to have kids.
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They, they, and this is done both because they don't have some, sometimes it's not their choice.
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You know, sometimes they just end up single without kids for whatever reason,
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but there are ways that you can, this is why they call it their baby, right?
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Can we just, can we just expand on that masturbating your instincts?
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So if I smell delicious cupcakes, but I don't eat them, am I just masturbating my instincts?
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Well, what I mean by that is in the same way when an individual masturbates,
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they are taking sex and they are fake having sex.
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They are fulfilling an instinct by looking at a simulacrum, uh, of, of the thing that
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they really want, um, with a kid or a little dog, it looks like a little child.
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It's sweet to you, but it doesn't require real sacrifice.
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Not at the same level, uh, in the same way that porn doesn't require the, the real,
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real sacrifice of going out there and impressing a person.
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Well, it is, and porn's a lot cheaper than a date.
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I think men need to desexualize themselves though.
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I think that a corn, I think it's, it's, it's definitely not a good thing for men.
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Personally, myself, I've been practicing, um, um, you know, semen retention.
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Honestly, I'm just like, even like, I just think differently.
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I just get up in the morning without no coffee, just active.
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I think as men, we, that's something that we owe to society.
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I think women should actually stop first because the more we keep giving out the nuni,
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Listen, if I was a dude and I heard here's free ting on a flat toe, I'm taking it.
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So this kind of goes back to, this kind of goes back to, um, you know,
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this question as to what women in general owe society.
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And, you know, one question I had is do women owe society modesty?
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Yes, because now, now, now I'm starting to see.
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So I went to Vegas, um, for like a collab, like a couple months back and I couldn't believe
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I was walking down the street and I saw women with their boobs out and just stickers
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And I thought to myself, you know, they're, they're, how is this not public nudity?
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This used to be a thing where you get arrested for public.
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And now they can literally have stickers on their boobs.
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So it kind of bears the question, do women owe society modesty?
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I want her to go because she had a long rant about this.
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We were, we were reading your tweets about this this afternoon.
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Oh, we're going to, we're going to judge the pictures later too.
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I mean, you know, a lot of what we're looking at is, um, there's a problem with society in
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which every woman, despite her age, wants to look like she's 20, but she can't pull it off
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So part of it's, you know, you have to realize after a certain age, you can't pull it off and you
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have to actually want to desire to be something else, maybe to be a mentor, maybe to be a
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And there are appropriate outfits for all of that.
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But we also have to remember that like, honestly, like some women, unfortunately don't have that
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And so they marry people who want them to flaunt it.
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They, they, they become trophy wives and they kind of have to dress that way.
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So I do think that there is a place for an immodest woman, even a mother, even a woman of a
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certain age to dress in an extremely sexualized and showy matter.
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I don't know because I'm thinking like if, I think that some of these outfits,
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it's like wrong because there are kids around and you can't just,
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even if your husband wants you to dress like a hooker.
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So I grew up in a super progressive society where like,
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I thought that a wedding was getting naked and wearing masks in the woods and dancing around.
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In Silicon Valley it was, naked sweat lodge, the masks, the dancing, the whatever.
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So, you know, and I, so you could say that I grew up as a kid around debauchery.
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Um, I actually, I, I, I lost my virginity with my husband.
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Um, it's, uh, I don't think that these things necessarily hurt people.
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I don't think that nudity or sexualization hurts people.
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I mean, the fact that I, at age like 15, went to burning man and I swear to you,
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Um, so I, I don't think I, I, at least anecdotally, it doesn't mean you weren't using them.
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You know, I still, I've never been high except for doctor's offices, which is super fun.
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Um, but yeah, I just, uh, anecdotally and among the people, the peers that I grew up around,
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um, I, I just, uh, in that progressive culture actually grew up around a bunch of prudes, frankly.
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I think what you're saying, Simone, is that when women dress that way, it's because they have
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nothing else to offer a women dress in a way that shows what they think they have to offer to society.
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And if they don't feel, and a lot of women feel very disempowered in our society,
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and they do feel that they have nothing else to offer, or this is their primary asset.
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But presumably as a woman ages, because this asset deteriorates so quickly in terms of its market
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value, most women who have anything else to offer, switch what they're selling to like,
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I'm a good mother or I'm a good chef or something like that.
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Um, whereas, uh, it's a really negative sign to, to an
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individual if they're still showing this and they're like 40 or 30.
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But when you're younger, uh, something to think about as a woman is the type of woman,
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not the type of guy you want to have sex with you, the type of guy you want to marry you.
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Is he going to be attracted when you're showing all this out?
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Or is he going to look at that and think, oh, this is not what I want in a wife?
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Because I think that a lot of women, they get confused.
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And then they then think that that's the type of thing that will get a guy to marry them.
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But these are two different things that you're courting for.
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And what I wanted to say was women have been sexualized since this big...
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I remember my father being like, you know, my friends are coming around.
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I think that women will get naked far quicker than men will ask for sex.
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And my proof of this is going to Vegas, those women are walking around naked.
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They take off their clothes more and more and more, far before men ask for sex.
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But would we be still talking about this if a guy was walking with his top off?
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We wouldn't, because women have been sexualized.
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Men can walk out with a t-shirt on and no one says anything.
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But who would they walk out with their slippers just hanging on the clothes?
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No, no, no. We're talking about in Vegas when it's hot, it's a sunny day, and man's walking with no t-shirt.
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Okay, you're 28 and you don't understand why women have boobs.
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I feel like women from a young age, like what I was trying to say is when I was younger,
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my father would say, you know, my friends are coming around, make sure you're, you know,
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Why on earth am I being told to cover up when people are coming around the house?
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But do we have to be covered from head to toe to not be sexualized?
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When men come over, they coming from a background where I've seen men coming to people's homes
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and they abuse certain people's children, including me, obviously not to knock them out,
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but you might touch me, but it's like, no, seriously, black eyes, everything.
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When men or other uncles, all this come into your house, you're a young girl,
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It doesn't mean you have to lose your sexy when you grow up.
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But it's like, when you're a young kid, you have to cover up.
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You need to learn decency, modesty, understand how to dress when people come over.
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Your parents can't fully protect you all the time.
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And the first way to do that is by dressing properly.
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I used to be at home in short shorts, crop tops,
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but I knew if a visitor's coming, I dress appropriately.
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It's just a respect for yourself, for the people that are coming over and for your family.
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So should the little boy cover up when the female's coming out?
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But like, you might be a shorts and a t-shirt off.
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Over here, even as a man, I've got to say, I think you've got a point.
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Because at the same time, I know you're saying, okay, well, it doesn't matter.
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You keep on saying people, but it is the influence of men.
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As many of you know, I was just banned on TikTok.
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And we are demonetized on a daily basis on this platform.
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