JustPearlyThings - October 17, 2023


Pearl Proves Feminism Is Toxic

Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Karl Marx
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Length

9 minutes

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201.91

Word count

1,996

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Harmful content

Misogyny

35

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Toxicity

11

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Hate speech

8

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Summary

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic: Is feminism toxic? Is feminism good for women? Is it good for society? When was the first time that women were allowed to get an education above the 4th grade level? What is the role of women in society, and how has feminism changed since then?

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00:00:00.000 is feminism topic or is feminism toxic so question for the panel do you think that 0.88
00:00:07.960 feminism is toxic yes or no and tell me why starting here and then go around yes feminism 1.00
00:00:13.160 is absolutely toxic it's completely terrible for society it's destroying men it's destroying women 1.00
00:00:18.340 i think it's probably one of the worst things to happen to male and female relationships so
00:00:22.460 yeah absolutely agree i don't know i think i'm 50 50 i think it's good for us females to 1.00
00:00:31.680 i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't want to say something and then
00:00:37.580 people don't agree with me but it's okay you're gonna say something it's okay
00:00:43.200 we allow all disagreements on the shelf so there are no wrong answers
00:00:47.840 um i would just say it's 50 50 okay but it's 60 40 if you had to pick one side
00:00:56.400 um
00:00:58.060 yeah okay yeah you do think it's toxic yeah it's very toxic okay what do you think yeah i think
00:01:08.360 it's toxic i think it breaks down the family units and i also think it impacts society in a negative
00:01:14.560 way as a uh as a man identifying as a woman to compete in women's sports i think it's great
00:01:21.880 uh it has really increased my athletic performance relative to my competition
00:01:26.760 uh and i'm looking forward to being called stunning and brave um but in all seriousness i mean
00:01:33.360 any ideology probably starts out at some point with some positive attributes that are necessary for
00:01:41.320 for society right um but like every ideology eventually becomes weaponized and i think right
00:01:49.720 now we're living in a world where you ladies are acknowledging it as well which is very strange
00:01:53.920 for a woman to say that like oh you know feminism's toxic because you're a woman you should be like 1.00
00:01:57.880 yay feminism right so i think we're starting to come around as a society and realizing that there's a 1.00
00:02:02.400 there's a certain ideological weaponization where feminism went from empowering women to just 0.99
00:02:09.040 shitting on men and that's uh that's a bad line okay so when do you think feminism is ever empowering 1.00
00:02:16.400 for women that's a great question do you want to go like kind of historical argument or where are we 1.00
00:02:20.760 going for this yeah yeah when uh okay so so there's there's like kind of an interesting
00:02:30.400 there's obviously this is such a granular argument like there's so many flavors to this it's not like an
00:02:36.560 outright you know you know and i don't want to be like sounding like oh i'm not going to take a
00:02:39.560 position like i have a position right like for example um my mom is a computer scientist as an 0.90
00:02:46.080 example right like she's very intelligent she went all the way through the school got her master's and
00:02:50.180 phd whatever she got um and so she she performed she just retired like this month but she performed
00:02:55.520 at a very high level a very male dominated industry and frankly she's not a very feminine woman so
00:03:00.720 like the opportunity for her to go all the way in her education which was in math and computer science and
00:03:05.220 then implement that for her career was very beneficial for her like she would not fit the 1.00
00:03:08.500 mold of a woman that is in a in a let's say more controlled society where that might have not been 1.00
00:03:13.240 an option right because she's not a good housewife she was a terrible wife but then what does that 1.00
00:03:17.620 have to do with feminism what does her success have to do with feminism so so you're i understand what
00:03:22.400 you're saying so when you go back to like for example one of the stand countries right now where
00:03:25.740 maybe 15 20 years ago women were not allowed to get an education above let's say the fourth or fifth 1.00
00:03:29.900 grade level and you might say fine but i would say okay at that point you need it to push it a little bit
00:03:34.500 further right like if you have to tell girls you're a writer right we had a conversation before we
00:03:38.780 started you're smart like you know things you quoted aldous huxley i'm like ah she reads yeah but
00:03:43.680 what's that got to do with feminism when you put that down to somebody's individual merits right 1.00
00:03:47.820 personal well the the original the original premise behind feminism now we're going back a couple
00:03:51.900 hundred years here was that women were were allowed to substantially be educated as much as men 0.60
00:03:55.980 because certain religions let's say forbade women from getting a higher level education like they were 1.00
00:04:01.100 not even allowed to read under most sort of the archaic religions right so there was a time there
00:04:05.860 was a time where and that was you know a while ago there was a time where you would not have been
00:04:09.960 able to have been an author and you think of what time period was that because i as far as i know in
00:04:14.720 the u.s like well we've at least in the 1600s there was girls getting who's t.s elliot who's t.s elliot is
00:04:22.240 that is that the author that's actually a woman but pretended to be a man because she couldn't get her books 0.99
00:04:25.920 published as a woman so there was a very long-standing history that women could not publish
00:04:29.960 books so like look i'm not like 17 i know at least 17 1800s like women were published um
00:04:36.420 like they could write they were in like the wall street journal like the whatever the there's a
00:04:41.440 couple publications that were still around no no look look look let me like saying this like like
00:04:45.760 this is we can we can we can take this even further to the racism argument it's like okay there's
00:04:51.280 there's nobody wants slavery it's horrible and it's like the most absurdly horrible thing that's
00:04:55.720 ever happened and it's happened to you know in different societies and then you go to like all
00:04:59.680 the way to the other side an affirmative action where it's like well i don't really want that either
00:05:03.300 even though it's supposedly like anti-discriminatory becomes discrimination right so feminism like at 1.00
00:05:09.480 its core it didn't start out with nefarious intent completely disagree if you go back to so for
00:05:14.760 example the 1848 uh seneca falls convention you'll find that actually right from the get-go feminism is 1.00
00:05:20.440 always very very misandric very very all for just a very small cabal of the titanic 70 of women 1.00
00:05:28.780 survived 80 uh 25 of men survived yeah and the feminists were like if a woman built the ship we would 1.00
00:05:39.920 have did it better wait they don't care feminism is never it's a big misconception because a lot of 1.00
00:05:45.860 people think feminism was once good but actually this is a lie and if you look at historically
00:05:49.880 feminism from day one has always been i agree with you that ideologically was it was misandric it was 0.98
00:05:55.440 a karl marx kind of a situation i know 100 it started at no 100 but but here's can i ask you a question
00:06:01.280 i mean it's and i can't believe i'm taking the side by the way but it's like would you be okay if if
00:06:06.880 women were not allowed to go past the third grade education in the society in which you live 1.00
00:06:10.400 well the thing is yes look at i'm telling you college makes you dumber 0.96
00:06:14.660 i'm not drawing the line of college we can get there i'm sorry i'm starting third grade 0.93
00:06:21.560 the thing is is that the misconception here is that the main inequalities in society were actually more
00:06:27.020 to do with class rather than gender because for example a wealthy woman would have had much more 1.00
00:06:32.060 social privilege than a poor man and women actually could be educated for example during medieval 1.00
00:06:36.860 england a lot of women worked in nursing they worked in teaching so this idea that somehow women 0.97
00:06:42.660 couldn't be educated i mean if you just look at the west for example this isn't true actually
00:06:46.460 education was more reserved for the upper classes and it's always been that way even things like
00:06:51.640 property ownership as well it's not really the feminists has made it as a men versus women thing 1.00
00:06:56.120 but it was never the case it was more about class so i mean i think you're referring to because i know
00:07:01.640 you're referring to specifically to like religious countries i'm not going to comment on that but
00:07:04.940 right now but if we just look at say the west or england education opportunities have always been
00:07:10.000 there but they've been referred they've been um what wrong word reserved for the wealthier classes
00:07:14.640 and the feminist lie effectively is that oh this was about men oppressing women but it wasn't it was 0.97
00:07:20.140 more about the upper classes were the ones who held more of the privilege in society so you know and
00:07:26.020 women women you know they did things like sewing needlework music things like nursing a lot of women 1.00
00:07:31.620 worked as governesses so it is a big misconception that women couldn't work or that women couldn't 1.00
00:07:36.980 have careers or that women weren't educated a lot of these are very big misconceptions
00:07:40.380 no but what they do is they rewrote the history you probably know yes they rewrote they went back
00:07:46.700 all the marxists went back and basically said we want to look at history from the viewpoint of the 0.95
00:07:51.060 oppressed yeah so they literally went back in the history books and rewrote the history yes they did
00:07:55.980 from the vantage point of an oppressed woman even though the women of the writings at the time
00:08:00.080 not oppressed well they were really rich like how did feminism like overtake as a movement it was 1.00
00:08:06.460 female-led oh yeah so it's like how did they have the voice if they had no voice or education it's 0.92
00:08:10.680 very erotic these were the most privileged women in society if you look at especially the old school 1.00
00:08:15.160 first-wave feminist people like elizabeth katie stanton yeah isn't that the one that like divorced 1.00
00:08:19.540 her husband took all his money they were terrible all of them they were always right from the get
00:08:24.400 there was a very mean-spirited very antagonistic movement and if the problem is is that a lot of
00:08:29.500 people don't understand this it's like it's nobody's fault it's the fact but for example
00:08:33.280 people will say oh look at the suffragettes but they put all the women's studies professors in the 1.00
00:08:39.040 school yes and then they re they all they even said this themselves they're gonna rewrite our history
00:08:45.400 and then teach it in the schools to brainwash the kids and get rid of religion they did the same
00:08:51.400 thing in the church so they went into the christian churches the catholic churches why do you think 0.88
00:08:56.220 there's all those gay priests right it was because they literally sent 11 000 priests into the church 0.87
00:09:02.000 because they realized that people listen to the church and yeah it's it's rabbit hole when you get 0.98
00:09:08.460 into it but the crazy thing is they literally said we want to infiltrate these institutions because we
00:09:15.220 know people listen to them i mean a lot of these priests rules are pedophile a hundred no no they
00:09:20.300 are though i'm serious but they sent 11 000 they funded the seminaries to again to reteach education
00:09:26.400 from a more like the christian doctrine from a more liberal point of view yeah it's already liberal
00:09:31.920 it's marxist but well yeah yeah yeah marxist i think american liberalism it's a shame isn't it because
00:09:37.340 actually classical english liberalism is completely anti-marxist it's a really terrible thing how like
00:09:42.760 in america like your version of liberalism is what we would call like yeah yeah yeah but it's not your
00:09:48.300 fault as well like that's another like you know language barrier or whatever