Pearl Quickly Saw Through This Feminist's BS
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Summary
In this episode, I speak to my good friend and former sexual health advisor, about abortion. We discuss abortion, abortionism, abortion stigma and abortionism in general, and the difference between pro-choice and pro-life.
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so that is very so i was a sexual health advisor for the largest trust in the uk
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bpass who are the british pregnancy advisory service i don't know the number one i'd also
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like to say every single person that i know that's had an abortion it was like just them
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being irresponsible like it was literally just them being like i don't know a single person
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well i i've in my time in my position i'd only spoken to one girl who was like
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oh yeah i need an abortion but i used to know the bpass number but off by heart it's something like
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oh 300 300 800 or oh 300 800 oh i mean i knew it off by heart but the first woman i ever spoke to
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assisted in abortion she was a married woman she had two kids her oldest son was um disabled um she
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was like even my daughter that we had was like an accident but a happy accident and she was like
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she was sobbing to me on the phone she was like in her late 30s and she was like something maybe say
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that's not really like natural if we're like sobbing like like if that's your reaction to it
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yeah yeah yeah no no not at all but then i was like you don't need to explain yourself to me i was
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like it's not my business i was like it's not my business not my opinion i was like you like you've
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clearly had like a nice night with your husband your family like you've got a lot of shit going on i
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was like it's not my business i was like if you want an abortion get an abortion yeah but then i've
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also spoken to some women who were like really chill like hey i need an abortion as if it's
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birth control yeah and i'm there like honey like that's just go just go on proper birth control you
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know you know my mom was in a position where she like like most people would have advised her to get
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an abortion because she was 17 and she got pregnant but um by my dad actually at the time and they
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actually ended up like giving up that kid for adoption and he like he ended up being like a really
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successful like sales software engineer you just got married that's why i actually have a really hard
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time with it because i feel like if anyone was going to get it it could have been my mom like she
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was broke she was 17 so this is very interesting um i studied under professor roger ingram if he's
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ever watching which he might not be so i studied um psychology of sexual health and we did um my
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personal project was outcomes of teenage conception yeah and it's proven all of the research and
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you have to obviously look in the bias all the research shows that it's more harmful for the
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woman the bearer of that child to have a child and give it up than it is to have an abortion what
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what do you what does that mean it's more like so the woman for the rest of her life will be like
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did i make the right choice is my child okay rather than being like i'm gonna have an abortion
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and this is why and so i think i think a lot of times like again we're making it about us when
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it's really it's not about you because there's a kid in the picture yeah so you can't you can't you
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can't then but then it's like why is that kid more important than you why i mean i think in my mom's
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case like he grew up to like have a really great life yeah like and so it's it kind of like rubs
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me the wrong way we don't use the word i think i think that's like why it rubs me a wrong way the
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little bit when people are like make it not a life because like my brother grew up and like yeah
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did all these like amazing yeah and there's always gonna be but this is why so uh roger
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he's a professor he's a professor he's like the best in his field um he so he literally told
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everyone he was like we don't use the term pro-life right to be pro-life you would have to be a
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vegetarian a vegan you won't step on an amp but you would care about that woman yeah telling you i
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want an abortion because i mean you're you're either pro-choice or you're anti-abortion you're not
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pro-life because to be pro-life i need you to clarify that so because i step on ants
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yeah pro-life that doesn't really make sense so to be that well then you're not pro-life because
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that's a life that's that's not a human life so then you're pro-human life but then if you're
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pro-human but like i think it's like easily implied like like everyone everyone you know you know okay
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let me just let me just let me just ask you do you do you think there's a difference between a human
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life and an ant yeah i do but then it's still a life it's right but i know but like is you just
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kind of trying to get like a gotcha question like oh it's a little clearly everyone everyone knows
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the difference telling you yeah i want an abortion yeah why is her life less important because i don't
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think just because you have a kid your life is over i also think i also think the argument is that
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she's in that situation because of the decisions that she's made whereas the consequences happening
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to the child which is the only innocent party arguably does that make sense but again it's
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like if it's a ball of cells but also okay what if she's on contraception and she's taking it's not
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even just like it has a unique dna sequence yeah like a very like you can see but then why is it
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valuable if she doesn't value it why is it valuable to everyone else and then we go on to adoption
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okay if these kids are valuable why are we overrun in every western community of like children get that's
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it they get your so you think the kids aren't valuable if they're poor i think they're valuable
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but they're clearly not being adopted by people who are pro-life there they are they are my parents
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are pro-life they adopted three kids and gave up one but that's but that's just your personal
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experience right there's a lot of people that want to adopt like even now like yeah it's it's but
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could you let me finish um but the problem is that like the legal systems are aren't don't make it
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easy yeah no no so a lot like there's families that have been waiting for years to adopt but like
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they want a baby they don't want a kid that's been waiting for years oh for sure that's i mean i've
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seen like i've actually seen the negative like consequences of getting a kid that's too old
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it's really hard to d like if you if you get them past a certain age a lot of them come with a lot of
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issues yeah like this is it yeah professor roger all the research shows so i think ideally i think
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ideally like it would be better if the kids were adopted earlier rather than like growing up in
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foster care that's not good for any kid yeah but then they don't get a choice in that they don't
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get a say when they're born that's just a decision made for them by being forced to be born and there's
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a lot of people who will joke and be like i didn't ask to be born so i was suicidal for three years and
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i was like i didn't ask to be born and my mom will say to me my mom is quite unwell at the moment my
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mom will say to me i wish i bought she's like i wish i bought you yeah that's really sad that's really
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sad but i know she doesn't mean it i know she loves me but she's like i have so much guilt and
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she was a mom who carried us to term who looked after us and she's like i still feel like i can't
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provide for you and i'm like no i get it i understand that you would not have a lot of guilt you wouldn't
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have a lot of like responsibility like xyz um but i'm again it's like it's also a difference i'm like i
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understand that for a lot of people they're successful stories for a lot of people um but for
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myself individually yeah i'm very i'm very pro-choice yeah it's not black or white it's just
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like almost like we focus on like the negative stories rather than the positive like even when
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me and you talking about this now like your focus immediately is well there's all these kids in
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foster care that can't get adopted rather than like the story i just told you of the three dot like
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right you know it's just weird how like that that's your immediate focus rather like
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