JustPearlyThings - June 24, 2023


Personal Trainer Breaks Down Why Fat Shaming Is Necessary

Topics
weight loss industry body positivity
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Pearl
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Episode Stats


Length

7 minutes

Words per minute

213.14

Word count

1,676

Sentence count

148

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

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Toxicity

7

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Hate speech

2

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Summary

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Tess Holliday is a model, influencer and body positivity advocate. In this episode, she shares her journey with body shaming and how it has impacted her life and how she has dealt with it. She talks about her struggles with weight, how she got to where she is today and what she does to stay motivated to lose weight.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Yeah, but talking about body positivity, does it help?
00:00:07.100 Does talking to you nice help?
00:00:09.180 Yeah, I think it does.
00:00:10.200 I think telling people to be kind to themselves goes a long way.
00:00:13.500 I think it just makes you comfortable to do the same thing.
00:00:16.460 No, but at the same time, I feel like it depends on what type of person you are.
00:00:20.980 So depending on what makes you tick, you know what I'm saying?
00:00:23.980 So some people might respond to body shaming, whereas other people might respond to a different type of method, you know?
00:00:31.800 Wait, if it helped, wouldn't you see most of these influencers lose weight?
00:00:35.740 I mean, I am an influencer and I'm actively trying to lose weight and I've documented it on my platform.
00:00:41.140 And I've said how I've struggled with it.
00:00:42.620 Like, I find it really difficult.
00:00:44.340 What part of it do you struggle with, though?
00:00:46.400 For me, like, I have a lot of problems related to when I used to be quite thin.
00:00:51.440 I was very, very unhealthy and it meant that when I was thin, I went to a...
00:00:57.940 So when I was, like, doing acting and stuff, I was in a theatre company where they would write all our weights on the wall
00:01:02.260 and it was always, like, the goal not to be the biggest person and everyone was skinny, right?
00:01:05.920 So I have a lot of problems around that, around weight, around weighing myself obsessively.
00:01:11.380 And because of that, like, I would just restrict and binge and restrict and binge and restrict and binge,
00:01:16.580 which at the time, I was making myself sick, so I stayed skinny.
00:01:20.200 And then when I stopped throwing up, I got very fat because I didn't break the patterns,
00:01:25.140 but I still had the eating disorder of the restrict and binge and restrict and binge, restrict and binge.
00:01:29.060 So when I stopped throwing up, I just gained all the weight.
00:01:31.500 And that's still something I struggle with.
00:01:33.280 Like, I restrict and restrict and restrict and I feel very in control when I restrict.
00:01:37.480 But then I will binge when I've had a vulnerable moment or I've had an argument with my boyfriend
00:01:41.380 or something in my life has gone wrong.
00:01:43.820 And I struggle with that.
00:01:44.780 But I think the point is that across the board, I don't see plus-size influencers
00:01:49.080 that have built their brand on body positivity losing weight across the board.
00:01:53.600 If anything, I see them get fatter and I see them drop dead in their, like, mid-30s to 40s.
00:01:58.240 Because they're getting rewarded.
00:01:59.140 You're getting paid to be a plus-size model. 0.92
00:02:00.940 Like, in your example, why would you want to lose weight if you're getting paid to be in a plus-size ad?
00:02:05.920 Yeah, but I know what, for me, if I'm plus-size, I'm plus-size.
00:02:11.760 And, sorry, what was I going to say?
00:02:15.200 Sorry, it just went out of my mouth.
00:02:18.740 I'm sorry, guys.
00:02:19.080 I would say that there's also a difference between, like, I'm a plus-size model.
00:02:22.260 If you lose weight, are you still going to get plus-size jobs?
00:02:25.480 So in terms of modeling, yes.
00:02:28.500 But right now, I would say I'm at a weight where I feel unhealthy.
00:02:32.460 I can still be, like, overweight and feel healthy.
00:02:36.480 I could still qualify for plus-size jobs based on my height and things like that.
00:02:39.900 Because I'm shorter and curvier, I'll still qualify.
00:02:42.640 And I still worked in plus-size when I was technically, like, a healthy weight on paper.
00:02:46.560 I was still plus-size because I had big boobs, a big bum, and I was short.
00:02:50.920 And that's sort of what qualifies you for plus-size modeling.
00:02:52.740 So I did still work in that then.
00:02:54.480 I've changed agencies when I've gained a lost weight.
00:02:56.780 If you were 120 pounds, would you still get plus-size modeling gigs? 1.00
00:03:00.400 No, but I'd still be an influencer.
00:03:01.840 And I'd still be very likable.
00:03:03.160 And I think people would still follow my content.
00:03:04.720 We're just asking about the plus-size.
00:03:06.240 It's a hustle.
00:03:07.560 You're likable.
00:03:08.540 You can do well.
00:03:09.020 But you don't just build yourself just on...
00:03:10.560 Nobody follows someone just because they're like, 0.91
00:03:11.960 Oh, this is a fat person. 0.68
00:03:12.820 I'm going to follow them. 0.77
00:03:13.660 Like, nobody's following Tess Holliday just because...
00:03:15.840 I mean, apart from the fetish people. 0.79
00:03:17.200 She wouldn't be famous if she wasn't fat. 1.00
00:03:19.780 But you're an influencer, right?
00:03:22.420 So people follow you because...
00:03:24.880 Why?
00:03:27.220 I agree.
00:03:27.780 I would say that being overweight, being obese, being fat is oftentimes a hustle.
00:03:32.760 It can be a brand.
00:03:34.740 It can be your identity, just like being a PT can be your identity. 1.00
00:03:37.980 One is better than the other.
00:03:40.680 It's better for the individual at the end of the day.
00:03:43.820 In this economy, they both make money, unfortunately.
00:03:47.100 And I would agree that being obese is oftentimes incentivized,
00:03:50.920 especially if we're talking about being an influencer.
00:03:54.280 Like the video that you mentioned, Pearl,
00:03:56.780 about someone who is plus-sized doing a what I eat in a day.
00:04:00.720 It would be very easy for a person like that to secure a brand deal
00:04:03.960 and start advertising, I don't know, like corn, vegetarian, sausages.
00:04:08.260 And they add that in and say,
00:04:09.620 It's vegetarian, so it's fine.
00:04:11.600 It's healthy.
00:04:12.140 I'm not eating meat.
00:04:13.220 But then they still eat like a six pack of donuts in a day.
00:04:16.120 So I think what we're talking about,
00:04:18.580 if we're talking about obesity being incentivized economically,
00:04:23.080 we're then talking about essentially hustle culture.
00:04:26.900 And it is a hustle.
00:04:28.040 It's just that opening for a company to make more money,
00:04:30.220 you know, it's simple as that.
00:04:31.460 I would actually argue with that on saying,
00:04:34.580 when I made a video saying I was going to lose weight
00:04:36.720 and it went viral because I made a video that was embarrassing
00:04:39.660 and I said I couldn't get down a slide
00:04:41.080 and I was really embarrassed and I wanted to lose weight.
00:04:42.640 And that did really well in the algorithm.
00:04:44.340 And I got so many sponsorships and companies emailing me
00:04:48.780 with their weight loss products because that is a huge industry.
00:04:52.380 And I think that's far bigger than any body positivity
00:04:54.180 or an industry like the weight loss industry is a huge thing.
00:04:57.140 I instantly had people being like,
00:04:58.580 Take our lollies, take our diet drinks, take this, take that.
00:05:01.040 Show it on your TikTok.
00:05:02.200 Yeah, I think weight loss is a bigger industry
00:05:03.960 than people being like, I'm plus size and it's cool.
00:05:07.640 Would you rather take weight loss products
00:05:10.460 or stay as a plus size model?
00:05:11.960 I mean, I don't think the weight loss products work.
00:05:14.800 I don't think those lollipops and...
00:05:16.400 I mean, calorie deficit works.
00:05:17.960 Yeah, 100%.
00:05:18.760 Calorie deficit works. 0.99
00:05:19.740 It sucks, but it works. 0.92
00:05:22.440 But again, I've said I struggle. 0.96
00:05:24.360 If I could press a button and just be a healthy weight
00:05:26.060 and not struggle.
00:05:27.400 Because you could say both, you know,
00:05:27.900 if one is both detrimental to you,
00:05:31.140 which would you rather?
00:05:32.300 Not eating and maybe having the products
00:05:35.360 that are forcing you into a calorie deficit
00:05:37.340 or staying at an unhealthy weight,
00:05:39.260 what are you taking?
00:05:39.840 I mean, I've already said, like,
00:05:41.500 if I could press a button and be a healthy weight
00:05:42.900 and have a healthy relationship with food,
00:05:44.100 I would press it.
00:05:44.820 But that's just not the reality for me
00:05:46.140 and a lot of other people.
00:05:47.420 And for me, it's been a grind.
00:05:48.680 And like, I have been losing weight,
00:05:49.900 but it's hard.
00:05:51.220 What's the solution?
00:05:51.980 Like, what's the...
00:05:53.060 Okay, you say it's a grind for a lot of people,
00:05:54.960 but what is the actual solution of losing weight?
00:05:57.400 For me, I think the solution is telling people
00:05:59.660 to like themselves,
00:06:00.940 to do the best thing for themselves
00:06:02.620 and not hate themselves in the process.
00:06:04.140 For me, it's eating healthy and being active.
00:06:07.120 And like I said,
00:06:09.140 it's about body positivity
00:06:10.360 is literally accepting the way you are.
00:06:12.740 If I'm plus size, I'm plus size.
00:06:14.400 And that's why I tell people,
00:06:16.820 accept the way you look, be happy.
00:06:18.880 You are the way you are
00:06:20.260 and you should really embrace the way you are
00:06:23.020 because when you're not happy with yourself,
00:06:25.420 you don't...
00:06:26.200 It affects you in work.
00:06:27.600 You don't have no confidence,
00:06:29.040 no self-esteem.
00:06:30.000 And yeah, you should be able to do anything.
00:06:33.120 Just be...
00:06:33.680 And body positivity,
00:06:34.960 again, I'm going to say it again,
00:06:36.480 it's literally accepting the way you look.
00:06:39.040 Let me get a little bit deep with it.
00:06:40.260 If someone was to die from obesity,
00:06:41.920 what would you tell that person?
00:06:44.480 Honestly, I'd say,
00:06:46.020 do you know what?
00:06:46.760 You should have eaten healthy
00:06:47.900 and you should have exercised.
00:06:49.020 You need the risk of being big.
00:06:49.600 So why are we not telling the person
00:06:50.920 that's going to be...
00:06:51.600 I'm not telling anyone to be big.
00:06:53.200 But I think the point is like
00:06:54.580 the most common theme I've heard
00:06:56.240 is just accept how you are.
00:06:58.260 Okay, for example...
00:06:59.240 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:06:59.820 So this is the most common thing I've heard.
00:07:01.760 Would you guys agree?
00:07:02.400 Just accept how you are.
00:07:03.840 Like to like yourself,
00:07:05.160 to like the way you...
00:07:06.140 To like yourself,
00:07:07.440 accept how you are.
00:07:08.880 Don't hate yourself for being fat.
00:07:11.240 Pearl, bear in mind,
00:07:12.780 we're not trying to promote...
00:07:13.880 Well, I'm not trying to promote
00:07:15.000 unhealthiness.
00:07:16.080 If you watch my TikToks
00:07:17.580 and my Instagram,
00:07:18.200 I'm dancing.
00:07:19.340 I'm active.
00:07:20.380 Even on my stories,
00:07:21.660 I'm always promoting good.
00:07:22.680 If you're overweight
00:07:23.580 and you accept that,
00:07:25.640 then you're accepting
00:07:27.320 like a higher risk for diabetes.
00:07:29.600 You're accepting a higher risk
00:07:31.200 for early death.
00:07:32.260 You're accepting a higher risk
00:07:33.820 for a heart attack.
00:07:34.380 I'm going to explain something.
00:07:35.820 Like you have all these health risks.
00:07:37.300 So for example...
00:07:38.100 And the thing is like...
00:07:39.600 I want to explain.
00:07:40.620 Wait, wait, wait.
00:07:41.340 And the thing is like
00:07:42.900 your families
00:07:43.520 are the ones
00:07:44.320 that are going to have
00:07:44.820 to take care of you
00:07:45.820 if you can't take care of yourself
00:07:47.300 if you get too big.
00:07:49.060 So then it's not just your problem.
00:07:51.040 It becomes other...