Plus-Size Guys Couldn't Believe How The Panel ROASTED Them
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In this episode, we discuss whether plus-size models should be allowed to be in the public eye. We also discuss why there is a market for plus-sized clothing and why fat people deserve to look good in their wedding dress.
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That's negative. So that is so your health is a sacrifice. Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're willingly shortening your life for money
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Can I just let you know I've taught children to swimming I was a dance teacher
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I'm like everything. I've done even me doing my entertainment work is active full of activities
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And that's how I live my life to be active because I know when I go to a gym and when I kind of push myself
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I fall apart and I go backwards because then I'm in pain for months and I'm in bed
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Like the whole point is do plus-size models and maybe not sacrifice. Is it hard to become a plus-size models?
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And before like I don't know if you've ever seen like the what I eat in a day from a Victoria's secret model before they were
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Plus size like their workouts. It's hard. It was it required a lot of sacrifice
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Victoria's secrets girls have done to a lot of women is damage them as well because they tried being super fit like that
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Although they had no potential some of them actually started taking drugs to look
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It's less than less than three percent of the population is underweight or it's like five
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No, but I think a lot of people's obesity is also related to taking a lot of this rubbish weight loss
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Tablets and being sold be skinny be this be that and they have it and they get all these wrong
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Because a lot of the obesity is from remember where how the 90s was how the noughties was you to actually think about how the decades
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A lot of rubbish was put in food, but at the end of the day people are fat because of their choices
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That's it point-blank period. It's not because of the food
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It's not because of the water because there's ways around all of this and with with the internet
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With the internet, there's no reason you can educate yourself
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What you're saying pal though like your initial point
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I just think it's such a non-issue because one there just aren't that many plus size models. There are a few
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Like in general I find people a lot of the comments I get are like oh my gosh
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Thank you so much for modeling like particularly when I modeled a fitness wear for a bit. I did a plus size fitness weight
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Range for a well-known brand and people were like oh
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This is great because I actually know what it's gonna look like on me now as a fat person who wants to go to the gym
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Which is what everyone wants is these fat people to go to the gym. What was the most well-known fashion show?
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They started putting plus-size models on the runway and everyone hated it
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Correct. So we're seeing some of the biggest fashion brands incorporate this
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That's because people have struggled finding certain bits of books
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I just don't think you could say it's a non-issue when I see them on the cover of magazines all the time
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I see them in stores. They even make mannequins that are plus size now
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Because there's a new market for these companies to make more money
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Why is there a market for plus-size now? Why do you guys think there's a market for plus-size now?
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Models or plus-size clothing or like when you go on online shopping and you see a bigger person modeling the clothing
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Because fat people have to wear clothes. No, it's because when you think it's because fat people have to wear clothes
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No, when you when you basically buy the clothes
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The fitting is wrong and you know a big person didn't make it because the cut is usually funny
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So okay because fat people have to wear clothes, but that's that's the body positivity movement because you're now encouraging people to be at that weight
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Because you can buy clothes and and look like this whereas if I see a fat model
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You know advertising clothes. I'm more inclined not to buy it. I actually click off
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Don't fat people deserve to know what like if they're considering buying
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I don't know a top a dress a laundry set a pair of shorts whatever don't they deserve
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To know what they may look like. I'm sure it's all well and good. It's great. It's great for them
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But it's unhealthy for them. It's also like to see what they might look like
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Want a tree and to look good in their wedding dress
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Is there plus-size wedding dress now? I don't know
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Um, I want to say I want to add something to the conversation in terms of why there are more
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Plus-size models plus-size campaigns and clothing. I think it's if you look at it from the business angle
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Corporations are only going to go where the money is, right? Exactly. So if they can see the trends and see that people are getting fatter
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So obviously they're going to be more fat people to sell to
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So that also incentivizes them to create and to support and to fund this fat
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Then it creates even more fat people. That's the point. So that's why it's actually dangerous
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It's not because you guys are looking at it from a personal angle of or it makes me feel better
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But on the larger society for money, there are nefarious acts being done behind the scenes to make sure that these things continue
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Would you think it's more positive for for a company to get a plus-size model or a company
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To encourage you to lose weight? It's not that it's
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Hold on. We're talking about corporate social responsibility now
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And it's not like it's not a company's responsibility
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Their priority is to make profit by selling their product
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Why is it a company's responsibility to tell you not to litter?
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Or why is it a company's responsibility to tell you should accept pride?
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I don't think they should like I don't think so
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You've got let's say lloyd's bank right pride month comes around and all these
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Companies who actually have nothing to do with sexuality lloyd's bank is just an example that I have
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They throw up a different logo with the pride flag incorporated
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That is um like a lot of people would call it virtual signal
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Do you realize a lot of people call you a bigot now?
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I'm saying if that no no no no no listen very carefully
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I want you to listen very carefully because I don't think what I'm saying is actually that complex
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So a company that has nothing to do with like let's say health and fitness
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Let's say I don't know like a oral b right they make toothbrushes should they
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Is it their responsibility to encourage people to lose weight and eat healthy?
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No, they should just sell toothbrushes and toothpaste
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Right then so why are we having this conversation because you just answered your own question?
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No, so it was it was is it if they're going to do it and and hire fat models to advertise the clothing
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And and it's going to be on magazines everywhere and it's going to be pushed in the media that it's okay to be fat
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Then is it better to do that or is it better for them to encourage people to lose weight?
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Should they encourage yellow the actual healthier out the companies that you're talking about?
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And not only companies who actually have business marketing to fat people like clothing companies
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We're talking like they might be advertising train tickets and they'll have a plus-size couple
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And people in one school of thought would say that's terrible. You're encouraging people to be fat and buy train tickets
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It's not the train tickets company to encourage people to lose weight
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We've all just said the onus is on the individual if you want to talk about corporate social corporate social responsibility
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We have to look at the companies who actually profit from people being fat
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What about what about what about marketing to kids?
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Yeah, because they don't get any a good good message to kids
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I would say that the weight loss industry are the people who profit most from people being fat
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It's designed so that you keep going back into it and back into it and back into it
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That's why they give you these point systems and they do these things that keep you trapped because they want you to remain losing weight forever
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I'd rather a society that sells weight loss pills than a society that tells you hey, it's okay get fat and die early
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That is I'm not gonna that is the most silliest thing you've said
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What you should prefer is a world full of greens
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That's how you know you've been watching too many magazines and too many internet things
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Pills are never good pills are just made up in a lot of chemicals
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Because his point is at least you're going towards the ideal and say instead of saying you're okay as is
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But he's saying he would rather live in a world where we are at least trying to be thin
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You just acknowledged how people go back to being fat
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The fashion industry doesn't actually care about plus size
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When you order plus size clothes it's poorer quality
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So the brands are just doing what they're doing
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Why are they still trying to keep big people like trans?
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No, they don't make money because they're just selling
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No, they're just making their quick buck because they don't actually care
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I think the whole point isn't should they push it
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And get a good body to attract a high quality woman
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Well, isn't it because the market spend sits with women?
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It's like nothing to do with men and being attractive
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It's just that like women spend more money on looking good
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That's why there's more female plus size models
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I think there's also something to be said around
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Treating bigger people who clearly like are not PTs
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And the way that they perceive people who are unfit
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She thinks that plane seats should be like three seats wide
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Because oh my god we spoke about that last time
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Right because she can't like fit in a single plane seat
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Like that there's a certain amount of ignorance
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Arrogance and ignorance like just that clarification
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It's like we know what you mean by getting big in the gym
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I think I don't think I don't think he was being arrogant
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I'm more so I think I think it's the other way around
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I think the fat who are asking for extra removal on the plane
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They're they're the ones walking around with arrogance
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They just look at you maybe that you have a lack of discipline
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Or maybe maybe you could make healthier choices
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I would encourage all my fat mates to lose weight
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Do you think there's a back and forth between the fit and the unfit?
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Where you've got people asking for like three literal plane seats
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And then you've got fit people who are antagonizing fat people
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Do you not think there's a back and forth between those two halves of society?
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A lot of people who are big and feel particularly sensitive about being big
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They would see particular comments as antagonizing
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Whereas you guys might see it as like a healthy bit of bullying
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But people like being fat is a very sensitive issue
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And that's something that I think a lot of people would accept as being true
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One of my other producers struggles with his weight
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But like I just think we get to a point where fat people don't want to talk about what's reality
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The reality is you shouldn't be content at it as is
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The reality is a lot of people will have problems because of the choices that you make
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Says to be content as is and focuses on mental health
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I think we should focus on physical health first
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I just think that both things can exist at once
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I think that you can want to be better and you can improve yourself
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And you can also not hold yourself back from things that you want to do
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I can empathize with the pain that they must feel how embarrassing that must be
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And I can understand the jerk reaction to be like
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I understand that but like when I couldn't go down a slide
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Like this is not normal that I can't go down this slide
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But I've also sat on a plane before where I've had a bigger person next to me
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And I felt really sad that they felt like they had to do that
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Don't don't you think like all of these adjustments are enabling it
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Like making bigger clothes making bigger seats making like putting models in the media
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Like it isn't in a way it's enabling it the same way
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It's the same the same way handing alcohol and making it easy easy to drink is enabling
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People used to train to fit in a wedding dress for a couple of years ago now
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People used to go to their personal trainer and be like listen I want to get in this wedding dress
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Yeah but when people get married they I don't know anyone who's got married and not
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No but Pearl's question was is it enabling people to get fatter
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No I don't I don't think that anybody like I have a lot of skinny friends
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Most of my friends are skinny and I don't think any of my skinny friends have ever looked at me
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And been like do you know what I'd like to get fatter
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No but it's enabling you it's enabling you they're not saying I want to get fatter
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They're saying because you're seeing it every oh and it's okay we can do this
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I don't even if it's subconsciously I can still eat like this
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Honestly like because I mean my big thing is I have a sugar addiction
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I kind of like it when people like when I'm eating something bad and someone says something to me about it
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Like because I'm like yeah I probably shouldn't like I think it's helpful
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I think those things are part of normal conversations though
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I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that specifically
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Like my boyfriend is skinny and I'll say that to him because he has a major sweet tooth and he eats a lot of crap
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Like and I'll be like that is your second piece of cake today
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You know like and he's not fat like I think that's a normal conversation
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But we're both mentally stable people you can't say that to everyone
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Do you know skinny people could have a high visceral fat?
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That's a huge thing that is missed out in the body positivity movement and I think it gets to a point where we have to stop
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It's much deeper than what they want to be helped and help them how they need to be helped
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It's like we talked about it earlier right when people have a really serious drug addiction
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There comes a point where your loved ones you have like a bit of an intervention right and you your people they sit you down
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They say you need help you're going to die your kids need you around
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So off you go you're going to rehab for six to 12 months and you're not coming back until you sort yourself out
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So at what point do we stop helping people how they want to be helped and help them how they need to be helped?
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Well you said no they want to be that's how so depending on the person is how they would want to be helped
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How do fat people in general need to be helped?
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Do the government need to come in and say okay no more mcdonalds
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Their friends family and people around them need to care
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Their friends family and people around them need to care
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From like a plus size model how could people encourage
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What is the best way to encourage people to lose weight?
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For me I found what I did encouraged a lot of people a lot of people were like oh yeah
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I should lose weight too from the video I made there was a really positive video about wanting to help myself
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Like I got a lot of positive response from that
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I got a little negative response from people being like it makes me really sad that you call yourself fat because
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I like picked fun at myself and I called myself fat in the video and that made some people feel bad
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Well they should tell them they're fat too and they should work out
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It's not how I think though I just don't think like that and I don't think
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I don't think accommodating is necessarily enabling in the same way if you want to compare it to drug addiction
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I would say that there are healthy ways to use drugs and like I think it's in the netherlands
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They have places you can go where you can shoot up with clean needles and things like that
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And I think that harm reduction is much better than just saying no it's like celibacy
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It just doesn't work. I mean as like I had I had a cousin that died from like drug addiction
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It was a while ago, but I just don't think that enabling is like
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I wouldn't look at someone that gave him drugs in a healthy way and say oh, thank you for that
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I think I think it was it would actually be a negative thing
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I think there's a difference between enabling and accommodating and and one is realistic
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Yeah, is it a means to an end accommodating and like safe usage? That's a means to an end, right?
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The end is that you'd hope that the person stops using drugs accommodating fatness
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The end is that you hope that the person changes in the same vein
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How is a person going to stop using drugs if they've been given it safely?
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And how is a fat person going to stop getting fat or maintain his weight if he doesn't stop or he or she doesn't stop eating?
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Something interesting that I came across recently was as a plus-size model
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I was thinking like I want to make my own brand
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I want to invest a lot of money into something and start producing something and I thought about making plus-size lingerie
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I spoke to a few people and everybody told me do not do it because there's no money
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In staying fat like that is what I was taught by professionals
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But why because he asked you a question like what's the best way to help fat people isn't it diet and exercise isn't that
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To first start telling yourself that it's one step at a time one step at a time
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Um have a plan give yourself okay imagine I do 10 sit-ups today tomorrow
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I'm going to do 15 on the third day then I'm going to push myself to do 20
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And along with that he's even trying new foods and just eating fresh things diet and exercise
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It's diet and exercise, but a lot of people that don't lose weight. It's because of mobility issues
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So it's again if I can't do this with my knee. What can I do? How can I move my upper?
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You should you should take this it's safe or you know smoking ads are put up on television
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Would you guys be opposed to a government ad saying?
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If you continue eating this way, you're going to die. That's why they had that
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Losing weight is 20% fitness and it's 80% nutrition. So when you're talking about mobility
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It has nothing to do with sit-ups. It has nothing to do with running or in the gym
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If you want to lose weight then know where the 80% is, know where the 20% is and you personalize your program to that
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I need to come in because there are a couple of things that I want to push back on
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From something that Pia said it goes back to every like a lot of these things tie back to each other
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You said both things can exist at the same time that that that's in my opinion is a very wrong ideology because
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Want to lose weight and at the same time enjoy your body the way it is
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Actually stopping yourself from actually losing weight because both things can't actually exist at the same time
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It goes back to the same thing we talked about on this podcast where women want everything you can't have everything in life
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So if you really want to lose weight, you need to
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Um, how will I put it? You need to basically starve yourself of certain things
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And trying to lose weight because you wouldn't lose weight
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So for instance, like you said a bikini should be earned
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When you stop yourself from wearing a bikini till you earn it, you would actually get that goal
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Able to wear the bikini on a sunday and say you're gonna go to the gym on a monday
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I think that you're confusing like um aesthetics and health there because for me those things aren't particularly linked
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I want to lose weight because I want to be healthy, but I don't dislike the way that I look
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I'm not confusing it. I'm not confusing you know why because a lot of times we try to be um
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Deeper than we actually should be a lot of these things are actually very soft
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Before you can talk about all these things about the mind
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Your eyes are the first thing that you used to see so your your brain is going to work on what it sees
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So no matter what you try to tell yourself in your head
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Your eyes still see what you look like and that's the reason why I wanted to ask the question to the personal trainers
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What is the best way to lose weight? And with all due respect, I don't think
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You're in the right position to answer that question um
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I know but the reason why I'm saying that is because this is the thing you um, it's like
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That question should have been answered by the personal trainers in my opinion
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Because one they have worked with people that help people lose weight
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So they know if even if if you haven't done it you saying it is kind of like, okay
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It kind of counteracts your argument. There are personal trainers
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Injuries they don't literally they don't understand it because they keep on working with fit people and that's why they just ain't no
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Because there's something you said that makes me know that you don't really understand this because you said something like
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When you go to the gym, it's scary you see these people working out the reality is because I walked in the gym the reality is
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So the fittest people are actually the most empathetic. Okay, okay, because they've had to do the hard work
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And they think we don't get to that's why we do just last week
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I think what you do what you've done essentially is you've you put a mental block on yourself
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So you see things that actually not there you're going to the gym
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You see people looking at you and you think oh my god, they're judging me
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The reality is most people don't even care about other people
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Okay, so I joined the gym a week and a half ago in Essex
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Now it's my induction and some things obviously I know how to use because I use it
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I was like, so are you going to show me around like he's like, yeah, that's that
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That's that and I'm like, so are you going to show me how to use it because I at least want to use it
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And then he goes, well, you're not going to use it. Are you I'm like, why am I joining then?
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I'm like, you need you you shouldn't be working with you by literally talking
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No, but no, but it happens a lot and it's not large because that's what I mean by encouragement
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I was just going to say this this this you offered this same thing the last time I was here
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And between then and now we haven't seen you here
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That's it. Can I tell you why why my dad's got cancer and he's been in hospital and this week
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When you're gonna lose a father and when you're seeing them deteriorate
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It's like I've just been going out. It's like I don't have any emotions
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So sorry to hear about I've just been keeping busy and a part of keeping busy is I know I need to drink water
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and and actually care for myself, which is keeping active and
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Getting good sleep and literally eating healthy and that's the way I'm living now
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And when I go to work stuff that you see on instagram tick tock events and stuff like that
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I only go there get the picture done take a few say hello to a few people and leave and then I wake up
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Like I live a life at hannah montana so I cook and clean at home
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I do I do the caring when my when my nephews are here. I'm an uncle
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I teach them how to cook because I want them to have real skills
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So when they go out and I take them out to like we learn about things nature all these things so you don't have any personal time for yourself
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I don't actually know and and and that's the thing when when p when someone's losing their life
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Or they will hopefully they don't you just have to be positive and there needs to be that and I'm someone who cares about my dad
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And I have and I have a lot of like empathy for that
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But it's like you're sitting on a couch for three hours here. So it kind of just shows where your priorities are
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You've been here like twice and you know keep coming. You're very good content
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Social media as well nothing nothing like personal, but it kind of shows like where your priorities are because you have time
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Without sounding rude as much as I love this podcast
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When Romeo asked me I was like Romeo na na na na
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Oh na na na because I actually really wanted to watch and dubstynat because why because it helps me keep active
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Podcast ain't really me but coming on your podcast because I enjoy you. Yeah, that's why I'm here
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My point is my point isn't about the podcasting. It's just I think we all make choices and okay
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Sorry, I just need to I want to share personal experience. So this might help you
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When I started working here, I went through certain personal things in my life
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Which I'm not going to disclose and disclose but I think probably knows a few of them
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But the point I'm trying to make is for the longest time even after I started getting my life back on track
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I'm someone you might look at me you might think I'm fit, but I'm only just starting to get my fitness back
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But the reality is the reason why I wasn't working out was because of all this life stress and all of that
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And even when I kind of started getting my life on track
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But the reality is because that was happening because I wasn't prioritizing it
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Once I start I got punched in the ribs when we're sparring the other day
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And I kind of woke up and I was like, you know what I'm gonna make time for the gym
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So the reality is no matter what you're going through in life
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You can always create time for the things that are most important
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What's the one thing that you spend most money on
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Would you say that if you want to lose weight and get better?
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It's something a little bit more personalized program where
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This person could help you even if you don't have time
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Because once I do my goals that I need to do in my career
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I hear what mental health experts have got to say
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If I hear what mental health experts have to say
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And the brain, I learned the power of the brain
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You have to discipline the one thing you rely on
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Who like really support the body positivity movement
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Do you feel like you're in the position you're in
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But like your circumstances may not be your fault
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I was just wondering if the food you ate at home
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Chicken and chip shops in East London ruined me