JustPearlyThings - Pro-Life VS Pro-Choice Women Get into a Heated Argument

00:00:00.000 So today we are talking about abortion, a little heavy topic today, but so I have something

00:00:07.620 that I'm going to read. So 214,256 abortions were performed in England and Wales in 2022.

00:00:18.060 The highest rate since the Abortion Act was introduced in October of 1967. The standardized

00:00:24.880 abortion rates for residents is 18.6 abortions per 1,000 women. Abortion rates for women

00:00:31.960 under 18 has decreased from 15 per 1,000 in 2011 to 6.4 per 1,000 in 2021. 99% of abortions

00:00:42.700 were funded by NHS. Abortion rates are the highest among women of, I'm just curious, guess what

00:00:48.880 you think? What age is the highest? I'm just curious. Youngest, I think. Young. Up 20s, 16, 18.

00:00:56.080 16, 18. Yeah, I would say probably maybe like 16, 21 or something. Okay, would you say? Mid-20s.

00:01:03.340 Mid-20s. You're the closest. 28. 22. As the highest among women at the age of 22 years old, 0.69

00:01:12.640 the largest increase has been between women between the ages of 30 and 34 years old. 82% of

00:01:20.280 abortions in the UK were from women that were single. 49% of those women listed single with

00:01:25.960 a partner as their status. 78% of the women noted their ethnicity on the forms were white,

00:01:33.180 9% were aged, 7% were black, and 5% were mixed. 98% of abortions in the UK were performed under Ground

00:01:41.620 C. That the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would

00:01:48.440 involve risk greater than if the pregnancy were terminated of injury to the physical or mental

00:01:54.280 health of the pregnant woman. 43% of women undergoing abortions have had one or more previous abortions.

00:02:01.600 So question for the women. Are you pro-life or pro-choice? Just to clarify, if anyone doesn't know,

00:02:11.880 pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion. Oh, wait. Oh, sorry. I'm reading this wrong. Are you pro-life?

00:02:19.080 I don't know. Pro-life or pro-choice. Okay. Pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion and 0.98

00:02:27.860 doesn't want other women to have it either. In pro-life, pro-choice women is one that wouldn't 1.00

00:02:34.440 have abortions themselves but want other women to have a choice. A pro-choice, pro-choice...

00:02:41.900 I'm sorry. Someone sent this to me and I'm like reading this wrong. Okay. Basically,

00:02:45.740 like, would you have an abortion yourself and do you think it should be legal is the question.

00:02:50.860 So then go ahead. No and yes. Yeah, I'm pro-choice. I think it should be legal and I would have an

00:03:03.340 abortion. I am pro-life and I think it should be legal. Go ahead.

00:03:15.740 Yes and yes. Okay. Well, you can't, but pro-life or pro-choice?

00:03:25.620 I think abortion is wrong. Okay. So pro-life? Yeah. Okay. Pro-choice. Pro-choice. 0.91

00:03:32.520 Hi guys. So today's topic is abortion and the question is, are you pro-life? What's your name?

00:03:43.720 Why don't you start with your name, your age, and then are you pro-life or pro-choice?

00:03:47.480 Hi, I'm Sunny. I'm 25 and I'm pro-choice.

00:03:50.820 Okay. I'm Taylor, 27. Taylor, 27. I'm pro-choice. Okay. So, Blessing, you want to play the first video?

00:04:02.940 Thank you.

00:04:32.920 What it means to live in a country that puts us in this position. And when you are a young woman

00:04:39.380 starting out your career, your reproductive destiny matters a great deal. Nowadays, I couldn't take that 0.66

00:04:45.000 for granted. I couldn't take that freedom for granted, the freedom of choice. We know that no

00:04:49.340 two pregnancies are alike and it follows that no two lives are alike. That follows that no two 0.64

00:04:53.760 conceptions are alike. So how can we have a law? How can we have a point of view on this that says we

00:05:00.420 must treat everything the same? When you allow for choice, you allow for flexibility, which is what

00:05:06.000 we need in order to be human. This is not a moral conversation about abortion. This is a practical

00:05:14.180 conversation about women's rights. And by the way, human rights, because women's rights are human rights 0.92

00:05:19.320 and the freedom that we all need to be able to, to choose and build our lives and have access to

00:05:25.320 excellent healthcare. My own personal experience with abortion. And I don't think we talk.

00:05:33.040 Okay. So what did you guys think of that video? So you can start and then go around.

00:05:36.860 Yeah. Um, yeah, I think it's sad because she's talking about the woman, but she doesn't make any

00:05:45.820 mention about the child. There's another life. There's two lives involved when we're talking about

00:05:52.560 abortion and one life chooses to end the life of that innocent human being. So I think she's just

00:06:00.260 totally, um, ignoring the other human being in the equation. Um, I agree with what she said. I think

00:06:08.900 abortion should be legal. I think it's the woman's choice if she wants to have an abortion or not. Um, yeah. 0.99

00:06:19.220 Um, I, I, I take it from the viewpoint of

00:06:26.180 the fact that we are not just to consider, um, just the individual. I feel like human life, um, has,

00:06:42.420 or the woman has a choice, the bait, the unborn doesn't have a choice. Um, so,

00:06:48.900 you know, that should be factored in and because that is another human life as well. So, yeah.

00:06:56.580 I think it's incredibly brave of her firstly to actually speak up and discuss a subject on such

00:07:01.140 a large world stage that is so judged and like for her to do that is a, is a big step for the

00:07:06.660 freedom of speech around this topic and has literally opened up the floor for this topic.

00:07:11.380 I think considering the life of a child, it has to be encompassed of who is actually raising that

00:07:17.060 child. You know, the child isn't just born and then becomes its own soul and its own being.

00:07:20.820 It's raised by, as a byproduct of what the parent currently is and the pattern and the,

00:07:25.380 and the blueprint that the parent has created. And if you haven't yourself done the work to enable

00:07:30.900 yourself to be the best possible parent of only yourself and your inner child,

00:07:35.460 to then be expected to raise another child would actually be a discredit to the unborn being.

00:07:42.980 I think like to become a parent is to know that you're ready

00:07:46.980 to raise another being and, and consider that actually you're passing on your blueprint.

00:07:53.300 And if you still carry heavy trauma, then how can you raise another being to its best possible

00:07:59.540 potential of soul?

00:08:01.380 I feel like people raised kids with trauma all the time before.

00:08:06.420 Yeah. I mean, I think we all carry trauma to some degree,

00:08:09.620 but if there's certain parts of yourself that you haven't, uh,

00:08:14.900 eradicated or developed, then like, to imprint that onto a child is like quite a big thing.

00:08:20.420 Mm-hmm. Okay. Go ahead.

00:08:22.340 Yeah. I think age gap, um, I'm sorry, age is really important when deciding whether to get an abortion or 0.86

00:08:27.780 not. And, um, she was pretty old, that woman. So she, yeah, I don't really think she knows what

00:08:35.220 it's like to be in a position of someone that's younger that might need to get an abortion, you

00:08:39.300 know? Um, I think depending on the age, it's got a very big part to play in it. If you're 17, 18,

00:08:47.220 you need to get an abortion because you know, you're not financially unstable to look after that child. 1.00

00:08:51.540 And yeah, I mean, gotta have it. But then again, that all comes down to, you know, your decision

00:08:59.140 to like have sex at that age, you know? Mm-hmm.

00:09:01.780 And, um, at that age, I don't think people should be prioritizing this type of things, you know?

00:09:06.260 Mm-hmm. At like 17?

00:09:08.340 Yeah. So you feel like it's kind of their own fault?

00:09:10.260 Yeah. I had a lot of friends in primary school, um, and then they went to secondary school and they

00:09:14.980 got pregnant at 17. Mm-hmm. And they kept like three of my friends. Mm-hmm.

00:09:18.900 I don't know them, but yeah, now they all have children. Maybe even four now, I think.

00:09:23.540 Okay. Go ahead. Um, yeah. So personally, I think obviously let's get the facts out there that

00:09:29.380 obviously it is murder, right? Killing an unborn child is still murder. Um, and obviously it is 0.92

00:09:35.780 a separate person. Like people think, oh, it's my child, um, or it's my partner's child, but actually

00:09:41.140 it's a separate person. Mm-hmm.

00:09:42.740 Um, so yeah, like it is a fact. However, we have a free will and we have a choice. No matter what

00:09:48.580 people say, no matter what they do, we still have a choice. No one can change us, not God,

00:09:53.620 not devil. We can only change ourselves and we have that free will. So whatever we decide,

00:09:58.260 it should be our choice. Okay. Um, what about you two? Um, I see you talking to your mic.

00:10:04.580 Um, I feel like, like any challenge, you have to be ready for it. Mm-hmm.

00:10:10.340 If you're not ready for it, then the results may go ways that you can't even anticipate.

00:10:17.700 So I feel like the circumstances that people are in before they have a child should be taken

00:10:23.060 into account heavily when making such decisions.

00:10:28.100 Um, just the same kind of, I don't think you should bring a child into a situation if they're

00:10:33.220 going to be resented or unwanted. Um, okay.

00:10:38.260 Like, just a quick question for my own self that's just been triggered is like,

00:10:42.340 is it still classified as a human being when it can't breathe on its own?

00:10:47.540 Um, I mean, I think that depends who you ask.

00:10:49.860 Yeah, but like scientifically, like if you can't take your own breath, is it still classified?

00:10:56.180 I can share the science. Oh, go ahead, go ahead.

00:10:59.460 Um, well, from the point of fertilization, when the sperm and the egg meet, that's scientifically

00:11:05.540 the beginning of a new human being starts. So that's when we all, our lives all began.

00:11:10.820 And then you just need time to grow into a more, you know, adult version of yourself.

00:11:16.100 So that is when life begins.

00:11:18.180 So is it still classified even though you're not dependent on your own breath?

00:11:21.940 90% of, um, scientists say that life begins at conception.

00:11:25.860 Um, so I'm curious. Um, okay. So for the people that are pro-life, so one, two, three,

00:11:33.700 it's a good mixed panel today. When do you, so would you guys say that abortion should be outlawed

00:11:40.740 completely? You would say, yeah, who, if you, me, if you say yes, raise your hand.

00:11:45.540 You think it should be outlawed completely. Okay. For the people that are pro-choice,

00:11:48.500 um, when, how long up to abortion, like should abortion be legal to tell? Um, up to birth,

00:11:55.460 up to six months, up to three months, or if you have a different number, but those are the three

00:12:01.380 most common answers I seem to get. Go ahead.

00:12:03.220 I mean, of course, not up until the day that you're like gonna give birth, but I think the day that

00:12:09.540 it's at now, what is it like 24 weeks or something?

00:12:12.020 Yeah, you guys have six months. Also six months. Yeah, I think, you know, that if the doctors

00:12:17.700 and people are saying six months is okay, then I think six months is okay. Okay.

00:12:22.980 I mean, personally, I wouldn't have one, you know, six months. I would try and get as done as early

00:12:27.220 as possible, but, you know, six months, then it's six months. Okay.

00:12:31.540 At what point does it, like, maybe this is just my lack of knowledge, but at what point does it form

00:12:36.020 form into, from a fetus to an actual being? Like, where is the form of the brain? And like,

00:12:44.100 where is the form of the heart? Like, where does that actual scientific process, like, uh, transform?

00:12:50.340 You know, yeah, you know this, right? Um, well, I mean, development is an ongoing process,

00:12:56.340 right? So actually the heart starts beating at around 21 days. Um, and so a lot of women don't 1.00

00:13:02.580 even know they're pregnant then. Um, and the brain waves, uh, around six weeks. At eight weeks,

00:13:10.180 the baby actually has, um, the 90% of the same organs that we, that we have as adults.

00:13:17.460 So it's actually very surprising. Wait, wait, say that again? The organ thing?

00:13:21.780 At eight weeks from fertilization. Oh, wow.

00:13:24.660 So eight weeks, if you think about it, most women find out they're pregnant, 0.96

00:13:28.340 you know, maybe they miss their period and they find out five, six, six weeks or something.

00:13:32.180 I didn't even know that. So eight weeks, that baby that, or that embryo has, um, yeah,

00:13:38.580 has 90% of the same organs that you and I have. At what point do we stop? Like,

00:13:44.180 where's the transformation from like embryo to fetus to baby? I mean, these are just names.

00:13:49.300 So these are just scientific terms. So, um, the word fetus just means little one in Latin.

00:13:55.940 And that is from nine weeks. We call it an embryo. From the first point, it's called a zygote.

00:14:02.740 Then we call it an embryo up to, um, eight weeks. And then from nine weeks onwards, it's referred to

00:14:09.540 as a fetus. When a baby, when that child's born, it's now a baby. Then it becomes a toddler. Then it

00:14:15.780 becomes, you know, child, teenager, adult. These are just stages of development. They don't say whether we're,

00:14:22.020 you know, how valuable we are. We don't say, you know, that a teenager is more valuable than a

00:14:27.780 toddler simply because it's older. Because it breathes for itself. Well, a toddler breathes for

00:14:33.220 itself, doesn't it? Yeah. So I'm saying that a teenager is not more valuable than a toddler. But an embryo

00:14:38.500 doesn't breathe for itself, right? It's required someone else's breath to survive. Is that when you think

00:14:43.620 that life conception, like, so at birth? I'm kind of unpacking this as we go.

00:14:47.860 Which is kind of interesting, actually. Yeah, no, it's fine. I'm just asking.

00:14:51.380 Actually, something that, um, I don't know your name.

00:14:54.180 Cass. Cass. Something that Cass said was like, oh, hang on a second. Like,

00:14:58.420 at what point is it actually still dependent on, like, my breath to survive? Like, it's,

00:15:04.340 it's not its own, is it a human, like, it made me think, is it a human being yet? Because it's not

00:15:09.220 actually being on its own. It has to breathe through me. It requires everything from, when I say me,

00:15:14.420 I'm referring to, uh, the female reproductive organs. Like, it's not being its own human at that 0.92

00:15:21.700 point. It has to breathe through me. And that got me really thinking about the actual stages of this

00:15:27.220 process. Because I'm just thinking, like, that argument, then you could abort it, like,

00:15:31.380 a couple days before you give birth. Which, which I, I don't know about you. I think we'd agree that's,

00:15:37.700 that's, that's a little late. Yeah. You know, I mean, I would agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. And so,

00:15:43.460 yeah, that's the, if we go by the breath argument, um. But do you have any memories,

00:15:49.540 anyone in the room, of eight weeks old? Because you're saying, oh, at eight weeks,

00:15:52.980 it's breathing, at three weeks, it's breathing. I mean, I don't have any, I don't have any memories

00:15:57.860 before the age of, like, five, but I hope they didn't kill me at four. You kind of formulate your

00:16:01.140 memories at five. Um, what about, like, medical issues? Like, what's your opinion on that? Like,

00:16:09.620 if a doctor said to, like, a mother, like, your child's severely disabled, it's not going to have

00:16:14.900 a good quality of life. Like, they have a chance of dying before they even reach a certain age.

00:16:20.420 Like, what's your opinion on that? Yeah, I mean, these, these are real challenges and real

00:16:25.780 hard issues for any parent to have to go, go through. Um, but we, I'd ask, ask you, you know,

00:16:32.020 let's say I am pregnant and then I have, I have a child and my child's disabled. You know,

00:16:38.100 my child is born and I find that my child's disabled. Can I kill my child once it's born? 1.00

00:16:43.860 Well, I mean, obviously not, but why not? Why not? If it's disabled, it's, it's not going to have a good 1.00

00:16:49.540 quality of life, is it? Well, yeah, but at that point, it's already been born. I mean, you're not just

00:16:53.700 going to kill your child because once it's been born, it's disabled, but. So what's the difference 0.99

00:16:59.380 between that born child and that unborn child? Well, I don't think abortion's murder, so that's

00:17:06.340 my opinion on it, so. So then your, so your issue is not necessarily about disability, it's about, um,

00:17:12.900 choice? Yeah, so I was just saying, like, if they said, you know, some children live until, like,

00:17:19.540 they're one, they're two, they're three, if they're really, really disabled and they're going to be 0.99

00:17:23.700 completely dependent on the parent for the rest of their life and the doctors saying, you know,

00:17:28.580 they're going to be, like, really disabled, would you be, would you still say to, like, a mother, like, don't 0.95

00:17:34.580 get an abortion, like, carry on and, you know, birth the child? Yeah, I mean, I don't think that the

00:17:40.500 disabled people are less valuable or less human than able-bodied people. And whether, I don't think 1.00

00:17:47.460 they should be killed, born or unborn, because I think science tells us that they're just as much

00:17:53.060 human in the womb as they are outside of the womb. And I don't, I don't know if you know this, 1.00

00:17:58.820 but that's, like, a common argument for, do you know what eugenics is? No. Anyone? Eugenics? No? Okay.

00:18:05.220 It's basically, like, trying to get, like, a more pure population, um, so a lot of people would,

00:18:11.060 like, um, a lot of people would do that through, like, um, through, what would they say? So Planned

00:18:20.020 Parenthood in the U.S. was started by a racist, and basically her whole plan was to, um, abort, 1.00

00:18:27.380 they put abortion clinics in, like, the black community there, and then also in low-income areas,

00:18:33.300 and then, like, disabled. Like, she felt like, um, you need to get, like, a more pure population.

00:18:38.020 So when you say, like, should you abort disabled kids, it's kind of an argument for eugenics.

00:18:43.460 But, I mean, I don't think you actually think that, but that's just, um, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

00:18:49.940 Ruth, out of interest, if you yourself, um, experienced something in life that left you in

00:18:55.460 a position where you were unable to look after yourself, and you were unable to speak, and unable

00:19:00.500 to communicate, and unable to be able-bodied, do you believe in, uh, I think I'm saying this right,

00:19:05.540 is it euthanasia, when you're allowed to?

00:19:07.620 Oh, my God.

00:19:08.500 Is that the correct word?

00:19:09.860 See, it's hard. I don't, like, don't think I believe in euthanasia,

00:19:13.460 but if I couldn't move, oh, my God.

00:19:15.300 Like, what would you do at that end? So, like, as a, uh, as a being that has,

00:19:20.100 like, uh, moved through certain stages of, like, human, uh, development for, again,

00:19:24.900 what's for a better word, would you, yourself, at the end of it, um,

00:19:29.620 would you still continue to desire to be alive despite the fact that you had no ability to

00:19:35.140 continue experiencing life as you previously had? Like, do you believe in euthanasia at the

00:19:39.780 opposite end of life also? Or is it just that, yeah, or is it just that they're, uh, beginning

00:19:45.060 of the human creation?

00:19:46.740 Well, I personally believe that every human being is made in the image of God,

00:19:52.020 so that we all have, um, we're gifted with, with value and we have purpose,

00:19:57.060 and that our reason for being is outside of our, ourselves, our own, there's a higher purpose,

00:20:03.060 and so, yeah, personally, I'm not saying these things are easy, but yeah, I would, I would say

00:20:09.300 I'd have to trust God.

00:20:10.420 And you would, like, out of no choice of your own, um, continue, like, you wouldn't have a choice but

00:20:17.060 to be alive, but if someone close to you was in that situation and you knew that they're,

00:20:21.620 um, they had expressed verbally their decision or, like, um, their desire, maybe is a better word,

00:20:28.340 to want to be, um, again, like, I'm going to use the words put down just because I don't know a

00:20:33.540 better phrase for it. At the opposite end of, of the human creation, is that something like someone

00:20:38.580 that was close to you, if they become, um, severely, uh, disabled, is it something that you would respect

00:20:46.100 as of their wish because they were able to communicate it and it was put on them as a choice?

00:20:50.980 Or is that still regardless for you, uh, uh, a non-mover, like, no matter what communication

00:20:57.700 had received, like, even if someone you love had, had explained to you really deeply that they didn't

00:21:02.340 want to be alive if they were within a certain state and they chose verbally to you, confirmed

00:21:08.100 that they did not want to be alive and wanted to continue down the euthanasian, I don't know if

00:21:11.700 that's the plural for it, process, would, is that something that you would, uh, respect or is that

00:21:17.380 something that you would still strongly disagree with yourself? Funnily enough, um, my grandmother,

00:21:22.020 when she was alive, she, she used to express, um, that she wished she could go to Switzerland.

00:21:28.660 It's always Switzerland. Yeah, she said that, like, because she, at the end, I mean, she,

00:21:36.180 it wasn't like a long, long, long drawn-out one, but she made comments like that. But, um,

00:21:43.540 because then it would be her choice, right? It wouldn't be. Well, I think that's the highest

00:21:47.380 suicide, I don't want to misquote this, but I'm pretty sure that's, like, the highest suicide rate

00:21:51.540 is among the elderly and it's not always, um, recorded because, um, it sometimes it's like I

00:21:57.860 slipped and fell, you know? Yeah. They just get classified as old age, right? Yeah,

00:22:01.780 and I just, I just think there's always hope. Whether, I think there's always hope,

00:22:06.820 you know, there is, I'm not saying these are not easy situations, but I think that there is pain

00:22:13.940 relief, there is, um, when, when someone is in those, um, difficult situations, it's an opportunity

00:22:20.260 for people around them to just show love, to show compassion, to care for, and yeah, I just,

00:22:27.780 I just believe in life and I believe in hope. So even if you had a verbal confirmation of choice

00:22:33.140 from a... I could never support... You would never support that decision. ...intentionally killing,

00:22:36.900 yeah, I could never. Even if it's for self? For myself. As in, like, like, that person has said,

00:22:42.740 I would like to die, you know, I would like to end my life. No, because that, I mean, it's suicide, 0.58

00:22:46.980 isn't it? It's just, yeah, I'm... A lot of people want to die because of self-pain, like internal pain,

00:22:53.140 but that can, that could be a method for that. Some people, some people can try things. Some

00:22:58.740 people don't get the right information and I feel like that's where a lot of people get lost. I've

00:23:02.420 worked in mental health for a long time and that's all I heard. I want to die, I want to die, I want 0.98

00:23:06.260 to die. But actually when you give them certain methods and, um, you help them process the information

00:23:11.780 and, and, and their thoughts, um, they actually change their mind. So I think it's, you know, someone

00:23:16.980 that wants to kill themselves, it's not like they want to actually kill themselves. They even want to

00:23:20.900 change who they are or they want to, the pain or whatever they're going through to stop them.

00:23:26.180 Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I'm curious. Um, so for the people that are pro-choice, if you guys saw

00:23:35.060 new information, would, would you ever change your mind on that issue? Like, raise your hand if you

00:23:40.180 would. What sort of information? I don't know, science, I guess. Like, if we would then go against

00:23:45.780 abortion. Yeah, like, would you, is this an issue you'd ever change your mind on? So you would never change

00:23:50.020 your mind. You would never change your mind. You, I think it's always like good to be open to new

00:23:55.780 information. I don't think I would ever willingly dismiss an information source before I had

00:24:01.380 witnessed it. I think it's always good as a human being to actually reassess your beliefs. Otherwise

00:24:05.460 you're just like, you're just standing by your ego, basically. I think it's always good to keep that

00:24:09.460 in check. Okay. What about you two? I feel like it's very situation based. So the science, I don't know

00:24:17.300 what new science would, uh, change because the science doesn't change like the situation that

00:24:24.660 brought the abortion about. So I feel like again, yeah, it's very situational. Depends on like the

00:24:34.420 actual circumstances the mother is in rather than what science actually has to say about it.

00:24:40.580 So, so no, I'm, I'm, I'm open to new. You're open. You would, you would listen? Yeah. I would

00:24:46.660 listen to it and I'll talk about it. But like, again, it would, it would be hard because you

00:24:51.380 think there's certain situations that like you would have a hard time telling someone they couldn't

00:24:55.940 get an abortion in. Exactly. Okay. I understand. What about you? I don't think any of us should

00:25:01.700 say what someone else, like when it's someone else's choice to become a mom. If you want to keep the

00:25:07.940 baby because you don't think an abortion is right, then that's your choice. Okay. So you, 0.59

00:25:12.100 you would never change your mind on that. Okay. Um, well today we're going to try. Um, so you have a

00:25:18.100 video? Oh, no, I'm, I, no, sorry. What? I don't want to. Oh, okay. It's, um, you can go. It's okay.

00:25:27.540 Um, but, um, yeah, if you have a video you want to show, right? Okay. Could you show the next video?

00:25:32.820 Oh, just quickly. What's your position on this? Oh, um, I mean, I'm pro-life, but, um,

00:25:40.100 I heard an interesting argument the other day that made me think, um, it was like by destiny where

00:25:46.420 he, it was something with like brain function. So I will say like, you know, I could be more educated

00:25:52.020 on the science. So that's, that's actually why she came on my show the other day. And I just thought it'd

00:25:55.540 be interesting to like learn what they had to say. And it changed recently. What your opinion changed?

00:26:01.860 No, I'm still pro-life. I'm still pro-life, but it was just an interesting argument where I was like,

00:26:07.300 um, I'd have to find the video, but it was by destiny. He was doing like pro-life pro-choice

00:26:11.860 and destiny is such a good debater. And I was just like, Oh, I've never thought about it that way.

00:26:16.660 But no, I, I'm still, I wouldn't say I changed my mind. I'm still pro-life.

00:26:21.060 Can I ask you a question? Uh, so both of you guys are pro-life. Um, I didn't catch your name as,

00:26:26.580 uh, Ruth. Ruth, Ruth. Um, so for example, my auntie, um,

00:26:31.380 she had twins when they were born, but one of the twin, um, was in critical condition.

00:26:37.460 And then when he was finally born, he was on life support. The doctor told my auntie,

00:26:42.820 he's going to suffer the rest of his life being on life support,

00:26:46.020 like feeding him through a tube and whatnot. What do you want to do? And it was a very difficult

00:26:51.060 decision and she just had to let one of the twins die. And I know like you might say that's wrong,

00:27:01.460 but I think there are certain situations you can allow abortion. Great. Um, 0.99

00:27:09.220 that if they're suffering, I mean, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say yes for like, oops, I wouldn't say yes

00:27:14.660 for like the euthanasia where it's like an adult dying because you're pretty much at the end and

00:27:19.700 all you have to do is just fight through the end. And then, you know, you can state that you didn't

00:27:23.860 commit suicide kind of thing in a, in a, in a sense. Um, but then again, if it's, if it's a baby

00:27:29.220 being born and it's going to suffer for the entire life, I think, uh, that is one other condition that

00:27:36.740 I would stand with abortion, um, or letting the baby die. So that's it. So you're pro-life with

00:27:44.020 like a couple exceptions basically. Oh yeah. And I also want to get your view on what would you do

00:27:48.980 if you're a mother and you've just had a child and that child is going to suffer for the rest of its

00:27:53.220 life with, um, like it's sick. Yeah. Um, you're feeding tube, um, whatever. So what would you do?

00:28:00.100 I actually had a cousin that was in that situation. Um, I mean, I would just do everything I could to

00:28:06.420 keep, um, him alive. And if, if he died, he died. Like, I, I mean, I just think I'd have a hard time,

00:28:11.940 like killing, killing my kid, um, personally, but no, I had a cousin and he was only supposed to

00:28:18.900 live till he was three and he lived till he was like 12. Um, but it wasn't a good quality of life. 0.91

00:28:24.100 It was actually really hard to watch. So, um, I could see why it would be like hard for someone to go

00:28:29.540 through. My other cousin as well, um, from my mom's side this time, uh, she's, she was born as well as a

00:28:36.100 twin funny enough. And she was paralyzed from birth or, you know, she was okay, but the doctor

00:28:42.500 or the hospital didn't give her enough oxygen when she was born. So she started, um, her brain didn't

00:28:47.620 send the correct signals to her body. So she was just paralyzed. Now, um, she suffers in other,

00:28:54.500 in other ways. So she's growing up seeing her brother, uh, moving and walking, running,

00:28:58.980 playing football, and she's always going to be on a wheelchair. As many of you know,

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JustPearlyThings - November 03, 2023

Pro-Life VS Pro-Choice Women Get into a Heated Argument

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