JustPearlyThings - Problems In IVF (Call-in Show) ｜ Pearl Daily

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00:31:48.840 in this world, of theirs, that they're unaware of right now.

00:31:54.160 Now, Ani Minoukian says her son that she was finally united with,

00:31:57.240 is in her words, a perfect baby.

00:32:00.380 Attorneys for the clinic have not...

00:32:02.620 Yeah.

00:32:04.100 We got another one in Canada.

00:32:09.860 What was supposed to be one of the happiest moments

00:32:12.560 of Alexander Cardinale's life, meeting his...

00:32:15.280 Oh, that's a cute baby.

00:32:16.620 ...baby happened four months late, thanks to an apparent mix-up.

00:32:21.100 I was in some kind of hell.

00:32:23.120 It was just getting worse.

00:32:25.040 In 2019, his wife Daphna gave birth to a baby that looked nothing like them.

00:32:30.040 They'd used in vitro fertilization and immediately feared something had gone wrong.

00:32:35.120 I think we were hoping if at least one of us was genetically related to her,

00:32:41.480 then we could keep her.

00:32:42.580 But I think the biggest fear in all of this is, like, am I going to lose my baby?

00:32:52.680 According to their lawsuit, three months later, genetic testing showed their embryo

00:32:57.220 had been switched with another couple's.

00:32:59.320 The solution, legally exchange the children.

00:33:02.620 Our biological child was given to someone else.

00:33:07.300 And the baby that I fought to bring into this world was not mine.

00:33:13.440 Can you imagine giving birth and it's not your... 0.95

00:33:16.480 Oh, 2025 is a weird year.

00:33:19.780 Thank you.

00:33:20.100 The couple is suing their L.A. fertility doctor, clinic, and lab.

00:33:25.040 The other family wants...

00:33:26.000 Who's the lucky lawyer?

00:33:28.140 Where is he at?

00:33:29.020 ...to remain anonymous, but reportedly plans to sue as well.

00:33:33.100 While cases like this have happened in the U.S. before, they are exceedingly rare.

00:33:38.280 But accidents happen, mistakes happen.

00:33:41.520 Fertility lawyer Sherry Levitin said... 0.97

00:33:43.960 There she is.

00:33:45.080 Yeah, she sees a cash grab.

00:33:49.100 The miraculous thing here is both women successfully gave birth and agreed to switch the baby.

00:33:54.820 Yeah, that is lucky.

00:33:55.840 Imagine giving birth, going through all that, giving birth to someone else's kid, and you get nothing.

00:34:02.300 Nothing.

00:34:03.500 Peace.

00:34:03.820 I understand that there are a hundred different horrible outcomes, and this was the least horrible of all those outcomes.

00:34:11.760 The Cardinalis say their pain is eclipsed by that of their older daughter.

00:34:16.880 This ordeal has taken away everything.

00:34:20.120 That feels safe.

00:34:22.280 Mari says, you are not the father.

00:34:24.780 Then he says, you are not the mother.

00:34:26.820 L-O-L.

00:34:28.300 Thank you, Doug MPA.

00:34:29.560 Captain Nocap says, women have betrayed their governments. 1.00

00:34:33.680 They're misled into thinking they can offset children until later.

00:34:36.860 The brutal reality is that after 25, they're past halfway, with the second leg harder.

00:34:46.100 And has shaken her trust in us as parents.

00:34:49.840 Who can't possibly understand why she lost the little sister she'd grown to love.

00:34:55.120 Chris Glover, CBC News, Washington.

00:34:57.040 All right, let's see what we got next.

00:35:03.820 Another embryo mix-up.

00:35:07.860 A couple who dreamed of becoming parents to a healthy newborn, now suing their fertility clinic tonight.

00:35:13.160 They said the clinic implanted the wrong embryo, which has now put their child's life at stake.

00:35:18.220 Fox 11's Chelsea Edwards has the story.

00:35:21.120 We had visions of what his life was going to be like, living a normal life.

00:35:24.900 When Melissa and Jason Diaz decided to start a family, they were determined not to pass on certain cancer-causing genes that run on their families.

00:35:33.080 We wanted our children to not have any worry regarding these types of genetic mutations that we carry.

00:35:39.460 So we try to do everything in our power to give them a fighting chance at life with a healthy life.

00:35:44.680 So they chose to undergo genetic testing and in-vitro fertilization through Huntington Reproductive Center in Pasadena.

00:35:50.900 But attorneys say the wrong embryo was transferred to Melissa, which carried the rare and deadly cancer gene they tried to eliminate by going through IVF.

00:36:00.240 It breaks my heart.

00:36:00.960 Dang, all that money.

00:36:02.660 Just to, oh.

00:36:03.580 To know that he has to go through that when he didn't, it wasn't his choice.

00:36:08.620 It was never supposed to be that way.

00:36:11.140 And you actively worked to prevent this exact situation?

00:36:13.740 One hundred percent.

00:36:14.940 Everything we could do that was in our power we tried to do.

00:36:17.360 Everything available from technology to date we did.

00:36:22.020 And we followed all their orders and everything that we needed to do.

00:36:25.760 Melissa first noticed the error on a medical report she requested from HRC about ten months after her son was born in 2021.

00:36:32.220 Handwritten notes on that report indicated that the embryo, which became her baby boy, indeed carried the CDH1 gene, the very one that caused Jason's stomach cancer.

00:36:42.380 MGTOW by Logic.

00:36:43.720 Thank you for the super chat, guys.

00:36:45.480 We're newly re-monetized on the channel, so every super chat does help.

00:36:49.620 Imagine not knowing if the baby is yours.

00:36:51.980 They must be so, that must be so hard for these poor women to deal with like, wow. 1.00

00:36:57.100 I don't feel bad at all, but I'm glad you have empathy, but I do not.

00:37:03.140 I was terrified.

00:37:05.020 My heart fell.

00:37:06.020 I was hoping it wasn't real, hoping it was a mistake.

00:37:09.960 When you first understood that the embryo that had been transferred did in fact carry that gene, what was your reaction?

00:37:16.900 I was devastated.

00:37:18.220 I felt like I was diagnosed with cancer for the second time again.

00:37:21.140 After requesting her full medical records from the clinic, Melissa says she received an altered version of the initial report.

00:37:27.920 The handwritten notes, gone.

00:37:29.900 On Wednesday, their attorney, Adam Wolfe, filed a lawsuit.

00:37:32.480 There's the next shark.

00:37:35.600 I'm telling you, these guys all look the same.

00:37:38.280 They are like, this is a booming industry.

00:37:40.980 ...against the clinic and Dr. Bradford Kolb, claiming negligence, malpractice, battery, misuse of embryos, and fraudulent concealment.

00:37:48.400 And maybe by having this conversation right now, we can lend our little bit of support to changing processes, to changing regulations, to having some sort of framework to minimize or hopefully completely eliminate.

00:38:02.120 When you think about it, women are the biggest eugenicists. 1.00

00:38:05.960 Like, women are the real racist sexists or whatever. 1.00

00:38:09.540 Like, they'll abort their kid if it's not the right dad or the right sex. 1.00

00:38:14.160 Like, they're the OG, like, eugenicists, when you think about it.

00:38:19.340 It's never happening again.

00:38:20.820 The Diaz's son is now a...

00:38:22.080 Men don't discriminate.

00:38:23.320 They'll nut in just about anything.

00:38:25.920 Do you know what I mean?

00:38:26.380 Like, they'll...

00:38:28.220 They'll get...

00:38:30.000 Like, you ever see guys like baby mothers, and you're like, why would you do that? 1.00

00:38:33.880 Like, you could have...

00:38:35.000 You could have pulled out, you know?

00:38:37.520 But...

00:38:38.360 So, when you think about it, like, women... 1.00

00:38:43.260 Yeah, there's a big focus on genes.

00:38:45.520 Amish have zero cancer, diabetes, autism.

00:38:49.080 $250,000 control group.

00:38:51.420 It's not genes.

00:38:52.480 Well...

00:38:53.760 Yeah, but nobody wants to be Amish. 1.00

00:38:55.460 I mean, do you want to be Amish?

00:38:56.820 I'm not going to go be Amish. 1.00

00:38:58.220 So, if you're not willing to go live like the Amish, I don't... 1.00

00:39:02.640 Like, no one's going to do it.

00:39:03.860 You're in my YouTube chat.

00:39:06.560 We're fat, okay?

00:39:07.860 That's why we have all this stuff.

00:39:10.600 We have old eggs.

00:39:11.720 The women... 1.00

00:39:12.100 We're having kids too old, and we're fat.

00:39:13.900 That's the problem.

00:39:14.980 Happy and healthy one-year-old, but will face the life-altering stomach removal surgery

00:39:19.540 his dad underwent as a result of the embryo mix-up.

00:39:22.800 What would justice look like for the two of you?

00:39:24.800 I don't think there's anything that can justify what happened or what they did.

00:39:29.740 My son's still going to have the same future.

00:39:31.920 He's still going to have to live his life differently because of something that we tried

00:39:37.320 everything to prevent.

00:39:38.620 Reporting for Fox 11, I'm Chelsea Edwards.

00:39:41.100 Chelsea reached out to the Huntington Reproductive Center for a statement they have not yet.

00:39:49.480 That was almost ethical, IVF.

00:39:51.800 I mean, I don't really have an opinion on it one way or another, but that was almost...

00:39:56.600 That's pretty understandable.

00:39:57.960 You don't want your kid to get cancer.

00:40:02.420 Fertility specialists using assisted reproductive technology to make the pregnancy dreams of 0.99

00:40:08.480 patients come true are now facing a new and complex ethical dilemma when it comes to what

00:40:14.380 to do with abandoned embryos.

00:40:16.700 None of us were really trained on what to do with this.

00:40:18.700 It's a dilemma.

00:40:20.660 It's a conundrum.

00:40:21.460 It's a problem.

00:40:22.460 During the IVF process, doctors often create multiple embryos, which are then either implanted

00:40:28.580 or frozen for use at a later time.

00:40:31.720 If a couple decides they do not need the remaining embryos, they have the following options.

00:40:36.760 They can destroy them, donate them to research or to another couple, or continue to pay storage

00:40:42.220 fees, which could run anywhere from $400 to more than $1,000 a year.

00:40:47.400 Yeah, so there's all these embryos that are just sitting, and none of these clinics know

00:40:52.120 what to do with them, and they're not federally regulated.

00:40:56.240 So what do you guys think realistically they're going to do with these embryos?

00:41:00.720 In many cases, patients stop paying their spouse.

00:41:04.940 About a quarter of the frozen embryos at his clinic have been abandoned.

00:41:08.780 And according to experts, it's a problem in fertility clinics across the country. 0.98

00:41:13.440 Over time, more and more embryos have accumulated that have been abandoned.

00:41:18.700 I know of organizations that have vats of abandoned embryos, and they're afraid to discard

00:41:24.720 them.

00:41:25.000 It's unclear exactly how many frozen embryos have been abandoned nationwide.

00:41:30.840 Some doctors estimate the number to be in the hundreds of thousands, while other studies

00:41:35.760 suggest it could be in the millions.

00:41:38.360 Adding additional complications to the debate?

00:41:40.880 The fact that embryos are fertilized eggs, meaning they have a potential for life.

00:41:45.980 Alyssa Strauss and her husband turned to IVF to conceive their second child after she was

00:41:52.760 diagnosed with secondary infertility when her son was just five months old.

00:41:57.400 By the way, when women are infertile, if it's not endometriosis, a lot of times they don't

00:42:05.600 tell you this, it's an STD.

00:42:08.540 It's like HPV or some other STD that left them that way.

00:42:14.260 A lot of you guys get trapped where the woman says, oh, I'm infertile.

00:42:17.820 It's like, it might be that.

00:42:22.320 They were faced with the decision of what to do with their remaining embryos.

00:42:27.000 All of a sudden, you realize that you have these two things and they're the size of a

00:42:31.680 poppy seed.

00:42:32.560 But at the same time, they're kind of the most important things.

00:42:35.520 Alyssa says she wasn't prepared to make the emotional decision.

00:42:40.080 I just wanted to be a mom with a new baby.

00:42:42.140 You know, you're talking to someone that's so desperate to have in the end just an embryo

00:42:47.480 that's going to work out for them and to kind of bring up, you might have extra.

00:42:51.120 I don't know that how you emotionally can handle that.

00:42:54.020 The Strauss is easy.

00:42:55.580 At some point, you're going to have...

00:42:56.620 Doug MPA says 15% of women will be infertile in the U.S. and 25% of female doctors are infertile.

00:43:03.560 Well, it's because they're throwing it back, you know, throwing it back raw.

00:43:10.500 They get too many gonorrhea diagnoses or whatever, and then boom.

00:43:17.960 And then now women are giving birth to kids with STDs. 1.00

00:43:22.520 If you have an incurable STD that's going to be passed on to your kid, you might as well

00:43:26.460 just not have them.

00:43:29.020 That is not fair.

00:43:30.400 To face down the decision.

00:43:31.540 So the more we talk about it, the more people say, hey, you're going to have this big decision

00:43:36.220 to make.

00:43:37.120 Doug MPA says 30% of the women in the military are infertile.

00:43:42.020 You know, I've heard a lot about these military women. 1.00

00:43:45.260 I have not heard great things.

00:43:46.980 I won't lie to you, ladies.

00:43:48.380 I've heard terrible things about you.

00:43:50.420 It's going to be tough.

00:43:51.300 Here's some ways to think through it.

00:43:52.980 You know, the less likely I think we are for people to be stuck in that indecision, which

00:43:57.400 is so common.

00:43:58.080 We've dedicated our lives to building families, and throwing embryos in a biohazardous waste

00:44:02.760 container just seems really wasteful.

00:44:05.980 Concerned about the increasing number of abandoned embryos, Dr. Sweet has made his clinic a non-discard 1.00

00:44:12.480 facility, meaning all of his patients must agree they will donate and not discard their

00:44:17.820 embryos.

00:44:18.500 He says he made the decision for ethical, not religious reasons.

00:44:22.820 We have to take a look at this and go, this is a problem, and we need to try to solve it.

00:44:28.760 We may not be able to solve all of it, but I do think we can make things better.

00:44:32.920 Yeah.

00:44:34.760 Do you know what?

00:44:35.980 I got to be honest, guys.

00:44:38.320 You know how men can spread their seed? 0.75

00:44:40.640 Now women can essentially spread their eggs. 1.00

00:44:43.360 That is never, you've never been able to do that in history.

00:44:50.380 Would it be, it would be the man and the woman's eggs and sperm, but I think women can 1.00

00:44:55.300 donate their eggs too.

00:45:00.780 It's kind of cool.

00:45:02.780 Only guys have been able to do that ever.

00:45:04.840 Worried that the longer we wait, like if I, I'm not going to do, I'm going to say, I'm

00:45:11.340 not going to do this.

00:45:12.300 So don't go around saying I'm going to do it, but I'm just saying hypothetically, I could

00:45:16.640 donate a bunch and then I could get like a half Asian pearl, right?

00:45:22.580 And then a half black pearl, like mini pearl kid.

00:45:26.580 And then a half like Latina and then a white, like a ginger.

00:45:31.740 Do you see what I, do you guys see what I'm saying?

00:45:33.460 Like it could be, only men have had the opportunity historically to do that.

00:45:38.140 Now women can do that. 1.00

00:45:42.780 Bigger the problem will be.

00:45:45.800 So given this issue, some doctors say that the fertility industry needs regulation.

00:45:50.520 For example, Germany and Italy both have laws that only allow three embryos to be created

00:45:55.640 and transferred at a time.

00:45:57.080 So that avoids surplus embryos altogether.

00:45:59.900 But as of now.

00:46:00.880 Pearl Reed, is there anything good that you have to say about IVF at all?

00:46:05.980 It gave us a Nick F.

00:46:07.960 I'm indifferent to it.

00:46:09.400 I'm not for or against.

00:46:15.600 I'm indifferent.

00:46:16.560 There are no national laws in place that address these abandoned embryos.

00:46:24.060 So it's up to each and every doctor to handle this on a case-by-case family.

00:46:28.120 And of course, with the families as well.

00:46:29.880 And families are making really tough decisions too.

00:46:32.240 I mean, egg donation.

00:46:33.960 One million dollars.

00:46:35.440 You guys can have one.

00:46:38.040 A million dollars and you can have a little pearl.

00:46:40.840 A lot of people, for religious reasons, you know, they will not destroy that embryo, obviously.

00:46:46.820 But I can only imagine how tough that is for folks.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, it's such a personal decision.

00:46:50.280 So in the meantime, they have to pay every single month.

00:46:52.400 Or sometimes you just pay every year.

00:46:54.860 Okay.

00:46:56.760 All right.

00:46:57.740 So we're going to do a call-in.

00:46:59.280 Now, Doug MPA is going to come on first.

00:47:02.900 And then we're going to allow other people to come in.

00:47:05.560 These are the questions that I'm going to give you guys.

00:47:09.560 And when you come on, you're going to have four minutes each.

00:47:13.580 So make sure you get to your point.

00:47:16.860 And when you guys do come on, you can answer any of these questions that apply to you.

00:47:22.160 So it's not required that you answer all of these.

00:47:24.980 So I first want to know, do you guys have any personal stories with IVF?

00:47:31.380 Do you know anyone that's done it?

00:47:33.740 Has anyone you've dated tried to do it?

00:47:36.400 Is it something you've done?

00:47:37.800 What was your experience like?

00:47:39.700 Second question, how do you feel about it personally?

00:47:44.860 And if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF? 0.97

00:47:50.980 And would it change it if she paid for it?

00:47:54.980 So, yeah, let me get, there's going to be a link in the chat.

00:48:00.220 Let me know when Doug MPA is up here.

00:48:03.120 Also, side note, guys, my song is on Spotify.

00:48:08.380 I'm going to put it in the comments after the show.

00:48:10.980 But if you guys want to listen to We Don't Party Like We Used To, it is officially on Spotify.

00:48:16.700 What's up, Doug MPA?

00:48:18.180 How are you?

00:48:19.500 Pearl, how are you doing?

00:48:20.540 I'm good.

00:48:21.260 How are you?

00:48:22.760 I'm good.

00:48:23.360 So, the sad part about it is women are just waiting too long, man.

00:48:30.320 They're just waiting too long to have kids. 0.99

00:48:32.380 I know three people, and they only put the positive parts of IVF on social media.

00:48:39.300 They don't say the negative parts.

00:48:41.080 Because to me, the saddest thing I've ever seen a woman go through is, okay, women, they say they don't want kids when they're young because they want some kind of control. 1.00

00:48:52.060 Like, oh, I don't want kids because it's cool to say, you know, to fight the patriarchy and being a breeding, a breeder if they say they don't want kids.

00:49:01.240 But they're leaving off the last part of the sentence.

00:49:04.140 They don't want to have kids until they've got a bachelor's degree or a master's degree or they make six figures or they buy a house or they've been to Turks and Caicos, all these different places.

00:49:13.440 But most women will cross that stuff off their list, and they want to have kids, but by then it's too late. 1.00

00:49:20.060 So, I had a friend who was a teacher for 20 years, and she got to be a vice principal, and she married this guy, and she wanted to have kids at 43 years old.

00:49:31.640 And she went through three rounds of IVF and couldn't have a kid.

00:49:34.720 So, now, she's crushed because she didn't have a kid, and she's around kids every single day because she worked in a school. 1.00

00:49:42.100 Don't you think she didn't want kids then?

00:49:45.160 Because, like, if she wanted to, she would have did it.

00:49:48.300 Well, she was focused on her career.

00:49:51.380 Yeah, but that's like the fat guy that says he wants to lose weight and then just keeps eating.

00:49:57.960 You know what I mean?

00:49:58.780 Like, her life choices showed she didn't want kids. 0.70

00:50:03.160 I would agree.

00:50:05.720 I'm not going to argue with you.

00:50:08.020 There's just a social infrastructure in place that make it okay for women to take this gamble. 1.00

00:50:14.180 These women think that IVF—you read the stats. 1.00

00:50:17.480 A lot of women just think that IVF is 100% guaranteed, and it's not. 1.00

00:50:22.240 It's not even close.

00:50:23.260 Well, and the other—

00:50:24.160 Go ahead.

00:50:24.900 Go ahead.

00:50:25.620 Go ahead.

00:50:26.700 Well, the other—

00:50:27.620 Sorry.

00:50:28.180 No, the other problem is they look at rich women. 0.99

00:50:34.660 Like, okay, so it's like 50-50 for IVF, right?

00:50:39.280 Like, before 35.

00:50:41.600 So, okay, like Kim Kardashian and Giselle Janko, whatever that—Tom Brady's ex-wife. 1.00

00:50:48.780 Like, she's got a 5% chance after 40, but she can afford to do IVF every month. 0.99

00:50:54.180 Yeah, and it's funny.

00:50:55.780 She can, you know, she can do IVF. 1.00

00:50:58.460 You know, if she's got a 5% chance and she's doing it for four years in a row, do you know what I mean?

00:51:04.800 I mean, she's got better odds than you who has enough money for one round. 1.00

00:51:11.740 Do you know what I mean?

00:51:12.320 Does that make sense?

00:51:13.520 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:51:14.940 Well, that's the thing, because the delusion—see, women spend a lot of money. 1.00

00:51:20.300 Women have no concept of violence, and they have no concept of, like, spending money responsibly and resources. 1.00

00:51:26.820 A lot of these women think that—and then also, remember, baby rabies is real.

00:51:30.660 A lot of women, they just want to have the baby, and they'll just figure it out afterwards. 1.00

00:51:35.420 Yeah.

00:51:36.500 We got—sorry, go ahead.

00:51:38.660 And even worse are these—because, guys, put in the chat what are the worst—what's the worst kind of single mother? 0.80

00:51:47.460 The one that was married and divorced who's a single mom, the baby mama who's never married, or the single mother by choice? 1.00

00:51:56.600 Because, in my opinion, the single mothers by choice, these women who choose to go through IVF with sperm that they don't even know who the father is, so their child's never going to know their father, and have a baby through IVF, these women are the scum of the earth. 1.00

00:52:16.600 Absolute worst. 1.00

00:52:19.620 Yeah.

00:52:19.780 Your child's never going to have a father, ever.

00:52:22.420 You're so selfish, you and a child, that your father—the child's not going to have a father.

00:52:27.620 You're going to spend all this money, and then your child's going to grow up at every single statistical disadvantage ever. 0.90

00:52:33.220 The most selfish women in the United States right now are these single mothers by choice. 1.00

00:52:36.820 Well, and they don't actually want to be a mom. 1.00

00:52:39.140 They just want the clout of a kid.

00:52:41.080 Like, there's a difference between a woman that wants to be a mom and a woman that wants a kid. 1.00

00:52:47.720 Does that make sense?

00:52:49.520 Yeah.

00:52:49.720 Like, it's like the women that put their kids in daycare. 1.00

00:52:52.720 I mean, there's a difference—like, I know there's some where they have no choice, but a lot have a choice and just don't want to be a mother, right?

00:53:00.140 They want to do other things.

00:53:02.260 Whatever that woman, you know, it is. 1.00

00:53:04.960 And you'll still see—okay, when the fastest-growing group of single mothers—when I was young, it was teenage mothers, like 15 to, like, 18 or 19, right?

00:53:18.000 Now it's women between the ages of 33 to 37. 1.00

00:53:21.660 And why?

00:53:22.600 What happens at 35, guys?

00:53:24.080 They smash into the wall, right?

00:53:26.200 So these women, I call them buzzer beaters. 1.00

00:53:29.000 They want to sneak in a kid real quick before the clock runs out.

00:53:32.140 Now, only 2% of babies are born from in vitro fertilization and insemination, right?

00:53:41.160 So what do most of these women do? 1.00

00:53:42.960 They find some loser who is loose with a seed. 0.98

00:53:47.040 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:53:48.060 They get pregnant by it. 0.97

00:53:49.480 But those women have—they have that excuse that people always believe, oh, he didn't want to step up to the plate.

00:53:55.660 He didn't want to be a real man.

00:53:58.340 B, you—he had four other kids.

00:54:00.780 Yeah.

00:54:01.260 What made you think he would—but I say this because the single mothers by choice, Pearl, what excuse do they have? 0.96

00:54:08.220 None.

00:54:09.720 What excuse do they have?

00:54:10.920 Or the sperm—like the ones that go—I know someone that did sperm donation, and she was pretty old, and her kid has, like, a birth defect because of it.

00:54:23.420 She didn't do IVF. 1.00

00:54:24.440 Like, somehow she got pregnant naturally, but it was just really old. 0.99

00:54:27.600 How old was she? 0.89

00:54:28.420 Do you know?

00:54:29.940 Was she in the late 40s?

00:54:31.040 I think early to mid 40s.

00:54:32.920 God, man, I'm not going to—you know, I think the reason why there's so many children with developmental delays and birth defects is because older women are having older children with their older eggs. 0.99

00:54:47.000 Yeah.

00:54:47.880 I don't have any scientific backing for that, but if you ask me, that's what I think it is.

00:54:53.060 We got Matt coming in, and I'm going to read the chat while he comes in.

00:55:01.220 A guy can do it at any time within reason, so they get the career and the money to care for the wife who concentrates on the child-rearing.

00:55:09.620 Children require a lot of energy from their parents.

00:55:12.000 The younger the parents, the more energy they have, they're healthier, too.

00:55:17.120 Okay.

00:55:17.920 Hello, Matt.

00:55:18.820 Welcome to the show.

00:55:19.880 So we got two—you can answer any of these questions that apply to you.

00:55:26.120 So the first is, I'd love to know if you have any personal experience with IVF, either a woman you know or maybe someone you dated.

00:55:36.980 How do you feel about it overall?

00:55:39.300 Or if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF? 0.94

00:55:46.320 So feel free to answer any of those that apply.

00:55:49.880 Oh, he left.

00:55:53.540 Well, I guess we're going to go to the next one.

00:55:56.220 Oh, he left.

00:55:57.220 Okay.

00:55:58.220 Hello?

00:55:59.220 Hey, how's it going?

00:56:00.220 Hello?

00:56:01.220 How are you doing?

00:56:02.220 How are you doing?

00:56:03.220 How are you doing?

00:56:04.220 This Conscious Energy, you know, speaking to you with the spectacular vernacular, doing it all legal so I can fly like an eagle.

00:56:20.060 So I'm sending you tons and tons of good energy, Pearl.

00:56:23.020 Take that.

00:56:24.020 Thank you.

00:56:25.020 Thank you.

00:56:26.020 Thank you.

00:56:27.020 Woo.

00:56:28.020 Breathing that good out.

00:56:29.140 You know, I wanted to talk about this kerfuffle just for a few minutes.

00:56:33.640 You know, first off, I want to say I've been watching your channel a long time.

00:56:37.720 You probably never heard of me.

00:56:38.780 My name is Conscious Energy.

00:56:39.880 But I've been in your chat room trolling some time as a DBZ Nation. 1.00

00:56:46.400 You know, I'm always in your chat room.

00:56:49.160 Oh, yeah.

00:56:49.580 Good to hear from you, bro.

00:56:51.360 Good to hear from you.

00:56:52.500 You're always really positive from the chat.

00:56:54.240 So thank you for coming up.

00:56:55.740 Yeah, man.

00:56:56.380 I'm always saying, you know, Pearl is our queen, whatever.

00:56:59.840 You know, I just be trolling.

00:57:01.240 But, yeah.

00:57:01.920 Is this Steve or Doug?

00:57:05.560 Doug MPA.

00:57:07.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:07.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:08.920 Well, you know, Pearl, I just wanted to talk for a few minutes about the kerfuffle, you know,

00:57:13.860 with the ladies and the embryos and whatnot. 0.87

00:57:17.220 And it brings me to a story that happened with the Kardashians.

00:57:21.700 I don't know if a lot of people remember, but Khloe Kardashian and I believe the oldest

00:57:28.060 sister all froze their eggs, you know, in California because they're very expensive.

00:57:37.340 But I think Khloe Kardashian, she froze her eggs and she was paying like, I think, $50,000 a year

00:57:45.540 to keep them froze.

00:57:47.760 And so what I think, like I said, I'm just speaking from a male perspective, respectfully,

00:57:51.880 but what I think is going on, keep in mind that broke women are women who don't make a lot of 0.95

00:58:00.260 money, can't much afford to freeze their eggs. 1.00

00:58:02.880 It's very, very expensive not only to extract the egg, but also to freeze it and to take care of it.

00:58:10.940 And I think that Kourtney Kardashian, I think she went back, you know, she just had a baby

00:58:15.840 with that, um, with the rock star, you know, that played the drums and she almost in her 0.61

00:58:20.500 late forties and she was able to, to use her embryos. 0.99

00:58:24.580 And so as far as, you know, Travis Barker, Travis, yeah, that guy right there, you know,

00:58:31.600 interesting, but you know, it's just, like I say, it's nothing, it's nothing that a regular

00:58:37.140 nine to five everyday woman or man can afford because it's very expensive. 0.90

00:58:42.480 And I only think, you know, people of well means can afford to even freeze their eggs.

00:58:49.040 Go ahead, Pearl.

00:58:50.180 So would you consider it if the woman paid for it? 0.83

00:58:54.980 Well, of course, of course, but.

00:58:57.840 Okay.

00:58:57.960 So you'd be, you'd be okay with it if you were dating a woman and she said, look, I'm a little

00:59:02.640 older, but I'll pay for the IVF.

00:59:04.900 And yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, if you're dating an older woman and she wants to, you 0.96

00:59:11.280 know, uh, have kids, whatever, I mean, Hey, you know, she wanted to pay for it, but like

00:59:16.240 I said, it's very expensive.

00:59:17.940 I mean, some, somebody, if you make an under, on this, if you make an under a hundred grand

00:59:25.020 a year, you probably can't afford to extract the eggs to freeze them and to take care of

00:59:29.600 them.

00:59:29.700 And that's why I think a lot of the, a lot of those, you know, she was saying like a

00:59:33.540 lot of doctors don't want to throw away the embryos because it's still like a human life.

00:59:37.660 But I think, you know, some of the companies don't have a choice because the women, they 1.00

00:59:42.360 can't, some of the women can't afford to, to long-term care for those, those embryos. 1.00

00:59:48.280 So, you know, they end up in these unfortunate kerfuffles, you know what I mean?

00:59:52.840 Totally.

00:59:53.420 I think it's a thing where women get what they want and then they don't care about the rest 1.00

00:59:58.520 of it anymore.

00:59:59.700 Right.

01:00:00.400 So they're trying for a baby.

01:00:01.800 Then when they get that baby, they're like, what, all they're focused on is a baby.

01:00:05.940 They don't care about all the rest of it.

01:00:07.760 And you know, something before I go, I want to say this, I'm so glad that you got your

01:00:12.040 monetization back.

01:00:13.700 You know, all the haters, all those female haters and male haters who was throwing salt 0.94

01:00:19.280 and hating on you. 0.55

01:00:20.920 I'm glad you got your monetization back because you were able to know, I'm saying the sort

01:00:25.680 of people can see that, that, that, that, that we really support you.

01:00:28.760 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:29.280 And you'll, you show up every day.

01:00:31.320 You do very great content.

01:00:32.840 And you're, you're one of the rare women that I really respect on YouTube.

01:00:37.940 You, you created your own lane.

01:00:40.120 You're not out here buck dancing and jiving and shooken.

01:00:43.000 I mean, you do your own content and you stand on business.

01:00:46.140 So I really appreciate that, Pearl.

01:00:48.300 I just hope you continue to do your content.

01:00:50.720 I hope everybody in the content, everybody make donations to everybody hit the like button,

01:00:55.860 man, because we got to support our queen.

01:00:58.400 Thank you so much.

01:00:59.920 That's very kind of you.

01:01:01.980 Yes, indeed.

01:01:02.880 Well, you take care of Pearl and Doug, you take care too.

01:01:06.000 And maybe I hit a link further in the future.

01:01:09.520 Cool.

01:01:10.040 Yeah.

01:01:10.400 Call back anytime.

01:01:11.860 All right.

01:01:12.880 Take care, Pearl.

01:01:13.640 Peace.

01:01:14.040 Bye.

01:01:14.120 Um, let's do Andrew.

01:01:23.820 Welcome to the show, Andrew.

01:01:25.940 Um, just a reminder, the questions that you can answer and you don't have to answer all

01:01:31.320 of these, just the ones that apply to you are, do you know, do you know anyone personally,

01:01:37.620 um, that's dealt with IVF either, you know, a sister, friend, girlfriend, whatever.

01:01:43.000 And if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider 0.99

01:01:48.360 IVF?

01:01:51.820 Like check.

01:01:52.620 Yeah.

01:01:53.200 Andrew here.

01:01:54.200 Hi, Pearl.

01:01:54.680 Well, thank you for having me.

01:01:55.980 Uh, my wife and I have done IVF.

01:01:59.960 She has, uh, stage four endometriosis and, uh, we were attempting natural, uh, conception

01:02:10.720 didn't work.

01:02:11.380 So, yeah, we did it.

01:02:12.500 And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, super traumatic to say the least.

01:02:17.740 There's, uh, so many things that go into fertility issues that aren't spoken about, uh, mental health

01:02:27.720 issues, uh, physical issues that women go through, uh, especially women with endometriosis.

01:02:33.500 Um, apparently women are born with endometriosis and it, it shows up the first, uh, their first 0.92

01:02:43.520 menstruation.

01:02:44.320 The only way to stop it is to get pregnant early. 1.00

01:02:46.820 So, all that to say, um, our experience with fertility issues and IVF kind of showed how

01:02:56.100 much the social norm of, you know, today is, you know, the woman, uh, wants to have her 0.99

01:03:04.020 career, get established, have some savings, buy a house, and then have kids.

01:03:08.800 But a lot of women aren't able to do that. 1.00

01:03:11.000 And by the time they figure it out, it's much too late.

01:03:13.660 How much did you, so did you end up getting pregnant from, or not you, but her, did she 1.00

01:03:21.020 end up getting pregnant from it? 0.95

01:03:23.360 Yeah, we have, uh, two babies.

01:03:25.320 Uh, we have one two month old and one two year old.

01:03:29.940 And how much did you guys spend total?

01:03:32.660 Like ballpark it.

01:03:33.520 You don't have to give it an exact amount, but can you ballpark it?

01:03:36.800 Yeah.

01:03:37.100 Yeah.

01:03:37.340 So far it's been right around 60,000.

01:03:41.860 Okay.

01:03:42.300 And how many rounds did you guys do before you got pregnant each time? 1.00

01:03:47.860 So when we found out she was not able to have children, uh, naturally because endometriosis 0.74

01:03:53.680 ravaged her reproductive organs, um, she was 32. 1.00

01:04:00.320 Uh, so we made the decision, let's go all in on IVF because nothing else is going to work.

01:04:05.860 So our first retrieval, which is the process of getting the eggs and harvesting just eggs, uh, she, she produced a lot of eggs. 0.85

01:04:15.520 So that's the most expensive part because after you do that, uh, well, assuming you're going to fertilize them immediately, which is recommended when you're fertilized, when you're harvesting the eggs, um, the embryos are created.

01:04:27.380 So that's the most expensive part that was around 40,000 to $50,000.

01:04:31.980 Okay.

01:04:32.380 Um, and then we, we've done a total of, uh, three transfers of healthy embryos so far.

01:04:41.700 And each one of those is around six to 7,000 and one embryo did not make, did not, uh, survive the thawing process.

01:04:49.340 And one ended in miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy.

01:04:53.680 Okay.

01:04:54.320 So two out of three worked then?

01:04:57.400 Correct.

01:04:57.980 Well, two out of four, uh, two out of three transfers, two out of four embryos, uh, survived, uh, live birth.

01:05:04.140 So you were basically the stat, which is 50%.

01:05:07.400 Yeah.

01:05:08.940 Yeah.

01:05:09.360 Yeah.

01:05:10.020 Um, so you said every woman's born with endometriosis. 0.99

01:05:14.840 Could you tell me?

01:05:15.720 Cause me and, um, Doug MPA were talking about that earlier.

01:05:18.680 Um, I was wondering, it's so common.

01:05:21.180 I was wondering if it was some sort of STD and he was telling me it wasn't.

01:05:25.040 So, um, no, it's not.

01:05:26.640 It, it, the, um, the exact etiology is, is, is hard to pin down for scientists and doctors

01:05:32.160 and researchers because the, the symptoms only present, um, once the first period happens.

01:05:38.840 So once the first period happens, when the, when the child is, you know, in their, uh, you

01:05:43.840 know, pubescent, post pubescent kind of pubescent stage there, the, uh,

01:05:48.680 the endometriosis starts to, starts to do its thing.

01:05:52.200 It's where the, uh, lining, the lining of the, of the uterus is, is thickening and sloughing

01:05:57.940 off.

01:05:58.340 And that happens outside of the uterus only with women in endometriosis. 1.00

01:06:01.520 So that the only way to stop it from, from getting worse to stage four level, which where

01:06:07.520 my wife is, cause she, she never gotten, she had never gotten pregnant naturally. 1.00

01:06:11.460 And then when we started, when we got married, she was 29.

01:06:14.880 So, um, that's 15 years or so, you know, every month, uh, the endometriosis is getting

01:06:21.320 worse and worse and worse, which is kind of why I brought up, which is really, really

01:06:24.980 fascinating, which made me think like I have two daughters now. 0.54

01:06:28.000 Right.

01:06:28.580 So I'm going to be encouraging them to not just pursue like education, but also pursue

01:06:35.920 love and relationship and, uh, pursue, uh, healthy relationships and not to put those

01:06:43.240 things off.

01:06:43.920 If they present themselves, if somehow they, you know, found a suitor or a man or, or

01:06:49.600 whatever, um, to not say, Oh, well, I need to get my degree.

01:06:54.980 Cause a lot of times, you know, given our situation, uh, it's not the right decision.

01:07:00.420 If, if being a mother or something you really want, um, my wife chose not to get married,

01:07:06.280 not only cause she didn't really have help finding a man, but also because she was told

01:07:11.420 the right thing to do is to go to college and get your degree and get established and

01:07:16.120 by a house.

01:07:16.840 And then how, how old were you when you had your, how old were you and your, your wife

01:07:21.800 when you had children?

01:07:23.400 Oh yeah.

01:07:24.280 So my daughter's two, so I'm 36.

01:07:27.180 So I was 34.

01:07:28.580 My wife, um, was 36. 1.00

01:07:32.300 Okay.

01:07:33.160 So, cause I said it earlier, these, there are too many women relying on IVF as like, they're, 1.00

01:07:41.220 they're as, as planned parenting pretty much.

01:07:44.740 Yeah.

01:07:45.220 I think, yeah, I think you're right.

01:07:46.960 If you could talk to a room of women who were, you know, fresh out of college and saying, 0.99

01:07:52.340 I'm going to wait.

01:07:53.380 What would you say to these women? 1.00

01:07:55.400 I would say, uh, wait, they say, you know, I'm going to do IVF.

01:07:59.620 So, you know, I'm going to freeze my eggs.

01:08:02.120 What would you say to them?

01:08:04.280 I would say, I would, uh, strongly encourage them to rethink that.

01:08:07.200 I would try to separate it out.

01:08:09.140 I mean, some women don't need to be having kids. 1.00

01:08:11.800 Um, they probably shouldn't have kids.

01:08:13.420 Those women who were probably saying that just speaking directly because it's a bad decision. 1.00

01:08:18.860 If, if, if, if, if, if a woman graduating college, um, don't do not rely on IVF. 1.00

01:08:29.220 Do not rely on, uh, uh, science because it's not, the journey is, is a lot darker than you think.

01:08:36.300 You're going to have to put your body through a lot, your mind through a lot, and your, your plan for life regarding money, uh, through a lot.

01:08:43.980 So it's, it's not a good decision to, to walk, to, uh, use that as a family planning tactic.

01:08:49.940 And I think it should be reserved for, for people who are infertile, not because people are thinking they can tailor their life.

01:08:58.320 Did she know she had endometriosis or was that something she found out?

01:09:02.520 No, it was something we found out during the infertility stage.

01:09:07.180 Uh, I have, so I'm sorry.

01:09:09.980 Go ahead, Pearl.

01:09:10.460 Go ahead.

01:09:10.800 What were the, like her symptoms?

01:09:13.460 The symptoms were very mild for my wife.

01:09:16.040 Uh, the main symptom was infertility.

01:09:18.120 Um, there were some, uh, there was some pain, uh, traditionally you hear that there's like immense, you know, uh, uh, 10 out of 10 pain, but hers was, you know, more seven out of eight pain during menstruation and cramps.

01:09:32.980 I guess, uh, it, it feels like the worst cramps you ever had, but, uh, hers were pretty mild.

01:09:37.940 So it wasn't immediately noticeable for her.

01:09:41.320 Some, some women, they, they, um, they get the symptoms a lot sooner, uh, and a lot more severe than my wife did.

01:09:48.120 Uh, I have this thing.

01:09:50.100 Okay. 0.64

01:09:50.460 So the single mothers by choice that, that willingly go through IVF by themselves, or they get inseminated by themselves, I say are the, are the worst women on the planet. 1.00

01:10:02.480 Right.

01:10:03.300 And, um, uh, I, the only child syndrome is a real thing, but I've always wondered these women who have an only child, but they paid like $50,000 to have that child. 0.85

01:10:17.380 Is that going to make them even more of a spoiled brat? 0.99

01:10:20.100 And I say this because do you see, I mean, this is, you don't have to answer because I don't know.

01:10:27.240 I'm going to answer this question.

01:10:29.400 Do you see your kids differently because you had to spend so much money to have them?

01:10:35.000 Understand what I'm saying?

01:10:36.240 Like, is, is that a, is that a factor into your parenting or how you see your children at all?

01:10:41.140 The fact that you had to spend that amount of money, because I think that, um, we're going to have a bunch of single mothers by choice who are going to spoil their kids rotten and let them get away with everything. 1.00

01:10:52.060 Because they paid 40, $50,000 for their child.

01:10:56.420 Yeah, I think for just personally, no, but I think that's an interesting thought that you have.

01:11:01.900 Um, I would say personally, no, for me, because, um, being a mother was something, my wife, um, you know, it was kind of a, a thing that she's always dreamt about.

01:11:13.300 Um, but it was never, you know, it was just more, more that than, um, I need to have this because, you know, if I'm not this, uh, I don't know.

01:11:25.940 I think sometimes women think of children as accessories and then once they get presented with motherhood, it's, it's an inconvenience. 1.00

01:11:34.320 And I think that's where the spoiling comes in because you're just trying to get the child to get away from you or to, you know, to be the good accessory that you want it to be.

01:11:44.500 I think that might have a little to do with it, but that's just, that's, that's interesting thought though.

01:11:49.040 Um, what were the side effects that she had?

01:11:52.120 You said it's a lot darker than like they say.

01:11:55.240 So what did you mean by that?

01:11:57.540 I think fertility issues for women are, is, is very, is a very dark thing for women to experience.

01:12:04.060 Um, because we're talking about a woman going into the proposition of being a mother and that brings up a lot of emotions.

01:12:12.300 I think that we're, we're not previously there for women if, if they were, you know, preoccupied with other things, for instance, um, you know, our journey was, okay.

01:12:21.740 We thought we're doing the right thing.

01:12:24.020 My wife, you know, her thought was I did the right thing.

01:12:26.420 I'm going to get married, you know, after I'm, you know, established in my career a bit.

01:12:31.120 And, uh, which is why, you know, she got married at 29, but not only the previous man she was with, she was with for 10 years and he just kind of never proposed or, um, never kind of showed initiative to want to marry her.

01:12:45.580 So she, she left him.

01:12:48.440 And, uh, you know, when we was to have a family, she was, so we got married, but, you know, when you're dealing with,

01:12:56.320 fertility problems, uh, and then you're presented with the fact that you might not be able to ever have children, you, uh, enter into this kind of, uh, reality of like, I never thought my life would not involve having a family.

01:13:10.200 And for a lot of women and a lot of men too, it becomes very depressing.

01:13:13.740 And then you have to deal with, uh, navigating the medical system, uh, while you're depressed, while you're downtrodden.

01:13:21.760 Um, there's a lot of trauma that comes with, uh, fertility treatment when you're, when you're not successful, when you're spending all this money and then it's not working.

01:13:32.580 Um, or, you know, for instance, if you're waiting way later, my wife was 32 and she had her egg retrieval and we had 28 eggs, uh, which didn't all make it to the embryo stage.

01:13:43.140 Only six did.

01:13:44.180 Um, some women they'll go through that. 1.00

01:13:46.180 They'll go through that process and they'll, um, not come out with anything or come out with one embryo.

01:13:52.740 And the embryo has, uh, let's say a genetic malformation and the clinic will say, no, we're not going to transfer that embryo.

01:13:59.460 And then now what do they do?

01:14:01.960 Um, and, and, and these women are usually older, uh, just, you know, because as you age every year after 35, I think the amount of eggs you start to produce lessens by 10%. 1.00

01:14:12.500 Um, and then at 35, it's already really low.

01:14:16.180 So I just met.

01:14:17.840 No, sorry.

01:14:18.360 No, sorry.

01:14:18.880 Finish.

01:14:20.420 Yeah.

01:14:20.760 Uh, so I think, uh, mainly it's, it's the, the trauma, the, the mental health.

01:14:25.000 It gets really dark, especially if you're not able to deal with those things, um, on your own.

01:14:30.380 Um, hopefully, you know, you've thought about this.

01:14:33.800 If you're going to, um, decide to do IVF or decide to have a family later, if, if not, it's just, you know, simple.

01:14:41.420 The only way to beat endometriosis is to get pregnant as soon as you can. 1.00

01:14:46.000 Um, so, you know, for women who do have it, uh, hopefully they can find out as soon as they can.

01:14:51.160 And as soon as they do find out they have it, they should stop screwing around.

01:14:54.860 I mean, even my wife, I think, you know, there was a period between her, her first relationship

01:14:59.320 and me that she was kind of just traveling or working, hanging out.

01:15:03.540 And it's like, she didn't really take it very seriously, but I know she would have probably

01:15:07.000 attempted to find someone a lot sooner.

01:15:10.380 Um, had she known.

01:15:12.460 Was it painful at all?

01:15:14.820 Like the procedures or whatever, like did her body have side effects from like the drugs

01:15:19.480 she had to take?

01:15:20.360 Definitely.

01:15:21.220 Well, yeah, the, the, not the drugs, the procedures were painful.

01:15:25.200 It was a lot of procedures.

01:15:26.880 Um, they have to, you know, it's this whole process.

01:15:29.740 If you think of like plants, I don't know if you, you, you're, you have a garden or anything,

01:15:34.080 but there's a lot of stuff you have to do to the ground before you're able to like start

01:15:39.540 a garden.

01:15:40.180 And, um, that's kind of a good analogy for all of the doctor visits, all of the, you know,

01:15:45.120 they had to do these scopes and go into her uterus and clean it out and have to, um, do 1.00

01:15:50.620 all of these, these things.

01:15:52.060 Uh, and then not to mention, um, birth process for women with endometriosis is pretty tough

01:15:58.200 because, um, all of those years of endometriosis causing damage.

01:16:02.500 It, it causes fibrosis and when fibrosis sets into your reproductive organs, they don't 0.92

01:16:08.120 stretch as well.

01:16:08.860 And then usually these women are having to have C-sections and when you cut into tissue 1.00

01:16:14.740 that has fibrosis, it bleeds a lot more.

01:16:17.000 So each time she's gone into labor, we've had to do a C-section and she's lost a ton of

01:16:22.820 blood.

01:16:23.300 It's last time she had, uh, major complications, including like a pneumothorax.

01:16:29.360 Um, they had to remove like a big fibroid.

01:16:33.000 There's just all kinds of issues which were super traumatic.

01:16:37.600 And I think a lot of that too has to do with having kids later and then the recovery process

01:16:43.260 also, um, if she was in, you know, if she was in tip top crazy shape, I think the surgery 1.00

01:16:48.380 recovery would have been easier, but you know, as you get older, you, you, you know, you may

01:16:53.260 become a bit more sedentary.

01:16:54.800 So she, she probably didn't recover well because of that as well.

01:16:58.280 So a lot of these things I think, you know, have to do with her being a little bit older.

01:17:02.300 The endometriosis.

01:17:03.600 Okay.

01:17:03.860 Cause I was just wondering why it came up out of nowhere.

01:17:06.880 And so that makes like, it didn't seem like that was a problem 50 years ago.

01:17:11.420 So that what you said about pregnancy, like stopping it, that makes perfect sense.

01:17:17.540 Yeah.

01:17:18.140 Yeah.

01:17:18.440 Yeah.

01:17:18.640 Cause there's no more periods.

01:17:19.940 And, um, I think a long time ago, it wasn't a big issue because women were getting pregnant. 0.68

01:17:24.040 You know, they were getting married in their early twenties.

01:17:27.660 That's only a few years of endometriosis doing its thing.

01:17:30.740 And, um, I've talked to a couple of older ladies. 0.99

01:17:34.120 Um, I work, you know, with a bunch of nurses.

01:17:36.560 So we talk and they, they were saying, um, you know, women in their fifties and sixties,

01:17:41.020 they were saying when they were in their teenage years, um, around graduating high school,

01:17:46.520 they would do a surgery to, if the, if the girl was having a lot of pain for, for during 1.00

01:17:52.980 their period to diagnose endometriosis early.

01:17:55.880 Um, it was just a normal thing for them to do.

01:17:58.500 And if it was, if, if they said they, um, did have it, then they would, you know, kind

01:18:03.320 of hurry that process of having kids along.

01:18:06.100 Um, so it's kind of, they, they treat it differently.

01:18:08.240 Now they don't test for it at all until you're showing symptoms, um, these days, because there's

01:18:14.160 no treatment besides pregnancy, but I don't think doctors these days or the medical system

01:18:18.520 is looking at pregnancy as a treatment anymore, because I think that, well, I know for a fact 0.70

01:18:24.260 that, that doctors are looking at pregnancy as kind of like something that a woman could 1.00

01:18:29.840 either choose to do or not choose to do, which is, which is the correct, but I'm just saying

01:18:34.340 for women who want to have kids, they should be encouraging them to get pregnant, but that's 1.00

01:18:38.180 just, is it a tough test like to do like, it's a surgery.

01:18:42.920 So they have to do like a laparoscopic surgery.

01:18:45.560 They go in and they, they harvest a biopsy or they go in and look around with the scope.

01:18:51.820 So it is a surgery.

01:18:52.840 It is hard to test for, um, there's no other test for it.

01:18:55.940 Oh, okay.

01:18:57.660 Cause I don't know what else he would do.

01:18:59.300 It's not like girls in their early twenties are going to want to get a surgery. 1.00

01:19:02.620 You know what I mean?

01:19:04.320 Well, it's, it's very minor surgery.

01:19:07.100 So, I mean, I think if my kids are, I have two girls, so if they're having like major issues

01:19:12.700 with their periods, um, I'll probably encourage them to take a look cause my wife has it, you 0.95

01:19:18.840 know, you know, so yeah, but I can see where, where, you know, a normal, healthy woman would 1.00

01:19:25.060 not want to have surgery.

01:19:26.400 That's totally normal.

01:19:28.020 Yeah.

01:19:28.580 Well, thanks for calling in.

01:19:30.440 That was just really informative.

01:19:31.740 I learned a lot.

01:19:33.500 Did you have any?

01:19:33.940 We are faced with an issue though.

01:19:36.040 Like we have two embryos left.

01:19:37.420 The last two, the last two, um, uh, C-sections were pretty traumatic.

01:19:42.140 The, um, so we have to figure out what we're going to do with these embryos.

01:19:45.420 My wife is, you know, she's a soldier.

01:19:47.600 She wants to, uh, to try to have them both.

01:19:50.040 Um, but I'm, I'm just really scared because it's like, I don't want her to, I don't want

01:19:55.300 her to die to try to have these two embryos, you know, during, during a C-section, but, 1.00

01:20:00.140 um, it is a, it is very expensive.

01:20:02.780 It's about a thousand dollars to store them per year.

01:20:06.000 Um, and then there, there are the only the three options.

01:20:10.040 So we, you know, we're kind of, and we, we look at it as those embryos are ours.

01:20:14.100 Like the ones that didn't make it like broke our heart, you know, those are our potential

01:20:18.660 children.

01:20:19.680 And, uh, so I think we come from it from that perspective where it's like, we, we need to

01:20:25.620 figure this out.

01:20:26.600 And, uh, it is, it is a big problem though.

01:20:29.120 The, the, the, the, that's why I think this conversation is really important because I don't

01:20:34.100 think, I think a lot of people, they don't think of it like that.

01:20:36.140 And that's pretty troubling.

01:20:37.460 What are all these embryos just doing?

01:20:39.220 They're chilling.

01:20:39.780 Do you think the technology is going to evolve so women can regularly have kids in their forties?

01:20:46.720 Do you see that happening?

01:20:49.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:20:50.460 Really?

01:20:50.880 So you think, you think it's going to get better?

01:20:53.620 Interesting.

01:20:54.380 Okay.

01:20:54.740 I don't think it's going to get better.

01:20:56.060 I just think it's there.

01:20:57.300 They're well, they're going to, I don't think it's a good thing, but I think they're going

01:21:01.060 to, they're going to kind of, um, perfect this process.

01:21:05.520 Yeah.

01:21:05.920 But you can't fight biology though.

01:21:09.120 You really can't.

01:21:10.600 Well, most of infertility is due to age.

01:21:13.080 So if they can get these eggs frozen and get a ton of them frozen and then decide to

01:21:18.740 like, that's kind of what the rich people do.

01:21:21.620 Um, and then they can go ahead and put those embryos together in the lab as they meet, you

01:21:27.800 know, people they want to have kids with later on.

01:21:29.640 And if that's not until 40, I mean, a uterus is viable and it's a healthy organ.

01:21:35.020 And so into their forties, it could remain that way if, you know, uh, the aid, the, the

01:21:41.540 egg factor, I think is the main part of fertility issues for women past 35. 0.98

01:21:47.360 Really?

01:21:48.120 Huh?

01:21:48.840 Not, not the like healthy.

01:21:51.240 Wow.

01:21:51.860 So I saw an article on this website.

01:21:55.060 It was some feminist website saying that you should get your daughter's egg freezing for 1.00

01:22:00.580 a graduation call, uh, undergrad graduation present.

01:22:04.100 I couldn't believe it.

01:22:05.440 Well, I couldn't believe it.

01:22:06.540 I don't know, Doug MPA, the there's so much money like that.

01:22:12.100 They want women to think we're going to be young forever. 1.00

01:22:14.740 So like the guy that figures out how to get women pregnant in their forties is going to

01:22:19.420 make a billion dollars.

01:22:20.960 I agree.

01:22:21.740 Like, yeah.

01:22:22.160 So like, that's the question.

01:22:24.100 I'm not saying like, I just, I wonder in my lifetime how common it's going to be.

01:22:30.200 That's kind of my question.

01:22:31.340 Yeah.

01:22:32.200 Yeah.

01:22:32.760 Well, I mean, it became a, IVF became a political issue, uh, this last presidential race.

01:22:39.200 I don't know if you saw any of that.

01:22:41.240 Um, but it's becoming something that I think politicians are realizing is something that

01:22:47.200 people are really wanting to.

01:22:49.760 Yeah.

01:22:50.120 Because everyone kind of bent the knee to it.

01:22:52.240 Everybody did.

01:22:52.920 Yeah.

01:22:53.820 Yeah.

01:22:54.200 And, uh, both pro-life side and the pro-choice side.

01:22:57.420 And I think, um, the more that they politicize it, I actually wrote a paper about this.

01:23:02.560 Um, the more that they politicize it, they, that, uh, you know, the more the lobbyists

01:23:09.160 will get involved, the more the insurance companies will get involved.

01:23:11.880 Um, if it becomes covered by insurance, it already is, it already is.

01:23:17.460 So it's not, it's not, it's not widespread covered by insurance, but it is sometimes partially

01:23:23.260 covered by insurance.

01:23:24.320 I saw an article where, um, law firms and then medical, uh, uh, doctors offices and, uh,

01:23:35.040 medical networks are offering female doctors and lawyers, IVF and egg storage in their insurance 0.77

01:23:40.900 plans to keep them from having kids until later, because most of the time when they have a kid,

01:23:46.620 they're going to leave the profession or only go to part-time.

01:23:50.000 Right.

01:23:50.560 Yeah.

01:23:50.760 To keep that talent in the talent pool.

01:23:52.800 I can see that.

01:23:53.480 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:23:54.400 Someone said Halle Berry had her second child at 47.

01:23:57.640 No IVF.

01:23:58.540 Do you believe that?

01:24:01.500 Yeah, that's, you guys got to stop.

01:24:04.540 That's like the, that's like the woman. 1.00

01:24:06.040 Oh, wait, wait, Pearl.

01:24:07.320 It might be IUI, which is, um, instead of putting the, the embryo in there with a catheter, they

01:24:16.000 put the egg in there with the catheter and then they put the, the sauce in after that.

01:24:21.300 The sauce.

01:24:21.900 So they, it's just kind of a workaround.

01:24:25.820 Naomi Campo had a kid at 52.

01:24:28.340 She kept her eggs and then she got, you know, she's IVF and had a surrogate carry the child, 1.00

01:24:33.820 but she's a mother at 52.

01:24:35.220 And then the brat, the rapper, her and her wife, uh, they, they took her wife's eggs out because she was 40 and the brat was 47. 0.99

01:24:48.040 So they took the wife's eggs out, but she had a bunch of, she had a bunch of blood clots and complications from the egg retrieval process that they recommend that she not carry the child.

01:24:58.000 Um, so they got the egg fertilized and then the brat, the rapper carried the child and gave birth to the child. 0.93

01:25:08.500 What a time.

01:25:09.560 Insane.

01:25:09.840 Well, thanks for calling in, Andrew.

01:25:12.520 I think we got to move on to the next caller, but you've been really informative.

01:25:15.760 So I really appreciate you calling in.

01:25:17.360 Yeah.

01:25:17.520 Thank you so much.

01:25:18.740 Yeah.

01:25:18.920 Anytime.

01:25:19.360 Great topic.

01:25:19.820 Thank you.

01:25:20.200 Yeah.

01:25:20.380 Call in anytime.

01:25:21.220 Okay.

01:25:22.300 Thank you.

01:25:22.840 Um, you can, who is next?

01:25:26.140 You can put in, uh, okay.

01:25:37.200 We got Trump quest.

01:25:44.040 Some lady had a natural baby at 60. 1.00

01:25:49.180 Wow.

01:25:50.480 Did he get on or no?

01:25:52.840 Trump quest, are you there?

01:25:55.820 Okay.

01:25:56.240 We can just go to the next one then.

01:25:58.260 If they both get on though, we'll just tell him to wait.

01:26:02.980 Hi, Carlos.

01:26:04.000 How's it going?

01:26:05.380 Lady had a natural baby. 1.00

01:26:07.120 Oh, hi.

01:26:07.180 Give me one second.

01:26:08.100 Make sure you mute me in the background.

01:26:10.720 I'm about to do that.

01:26:11.740 Did he?

01:26:12.600 There you go.

01:26:13.980 So, hi.

01:26:15.020 Hi.

01:26:15.280 So do you have an experience with IVF or someone that you know?

01:26:20.340 I don't, but I'm really interested in it.

01:26:22.840 Um, I watch YouTubers that, you know, talk about it.

01:26:26.120 There's a couple actually that's popular for that.

01:26:29.840 Um, I don't know if I should talk about other YouTubers, but, um, yeah.

01:26:33.720 Like, so what I, uh, the issue that I wanted to talk about was, um, so humans for a long

01:26:41.700 time, we had like this evolutionary pressure that helped us, you know, get to where we

01:26:46.280 are right now.

01:26:46.820 Right.

01:26:47.100 We're intelligent, we're healthy, but right around the industrial revolution, there was

01:26:52.800 this problem where we have so much abundance of resources and medicine that these evolutionary

01:26:58.640 pressures went away.

01:27:00.100 So for the future of humanity, you know, uh, I don't think we're going to run out of resources

01:27:05.000 anytime soon.

01:27:05.800 And I do think that IVF is going to be, you know, as the technology gets better, it's going

01:27:11.600 to be, in my, in my mind, it's like the only way that we can keep evolving because we don't

01:27:17.000 have these difficult environments anymore.

01:27:19.200 Um, you know, um, we have plenty of food and yeah, that's basically, that's pretty much

01:27:24.960 the main point.

01:27:25.580 I don't, I don't know if you have any opinion about that.

01:27:27.440 I do.

01:27:28.240 So if we have plenty of food and resources, um, then I think that it would be better for

01:27:35.000 women to just have children younger. 1.00

01:27:38.060 Cause the, yeah, but you know, you know, you know, we're not going to do that.

01:27:41.700 Like, I'm just saying rather than pushing this IVF stuff, if there's so much abundance

01:27:46.880 of resources, well, then I don't know why women feel the need to have to, you know, pay 1.00

01:27:52.220 a hundred thousand dollars for a liberal arts degree to get a job making $35,000 a year when

01:27:58.020 they can just have a kid.

01:27:59.080 Cause they don't, they don't, they don't want to spend their youth on a man. 0.84

01:28:02.460 Like it's like, it's either, it's either we force women to be mothers or we give them 1.00

01:28:06.880 choice, you know, it's like, cause I, I think that in my opinion is kind of what it comes

01:28:13.020 down to is like, are we, do we want to force them?

01:28:16.760 Is that even possible today?

01:28:20.840 And by having kids younger, I mean like early twenties, mid twenties guys, get your heads

01:28:25.560 out of the gutter.

01:28:26.180 Come on now.

01:28:26.500 No, I know, I know what you meant, but I just, I'm just, I'm looking around and I don't

01:28:31.080 see that happening.

01:28:32.380 Do you know what I mean?

01:28:32.880 Like, I don't think the college girls tomorrow are going to say, yeah, I want to be a mom. 0.61

01:28:37.160 Um, they want to go party in Miami on a boat with Drake or something.

01:28:41.800 So because your answer to Carlos, are you pretty much expecting to be in your thirties

01:28:47.680 or forties and meet a girl in her thirties and forties and say, I want to do IVF. 0.87

01:28:51.360 Is that pretty much where you see your, the outcome?

01:28:56.360 If I have the money, I would do it.

01:28:58.460 It's just that it's, it's pretty expensive and you want to get a good doctor too.

01:29:02.360 But, um, yeah, like I think, um, like, like I said, some of these people that I follow,

01:29:06.760 you know, with all of these, uh, you know, like, uh, problems that we have in society

01:29:13.540 and all of these carcinogenic, um, and all these other weird diseases that, you know,

01:29:18.340 come just from the environment.

01:29:20.540 Um, yeah, like, I, I just think that I really don't see a future where we're not doing that.

01:29:27.500 And I think, uh, I think something about, I heard something about the Trump administration,

01:29:31.520 making it easier, more accessible.

01:29:33.480 Um, and I guess one last point regarding that is, um, yeah, like, I, like, I just, I guess,

01:29:44.140 how else are we going to, you know, evolve, right?

01:29:48.960 It's like, what's going to happen if the technology gets to the point where the children of people

01:29:54.360 who, you know, can edit the genes of their kids to be very healthy and intelligent are

01:30:00.080 out-competing the ones that are natural, right?

01:30:04.680 Um, I think you're going to have a, like, a very large demand for IVF.

01:30:09.940 And, and I, and I, and I, I take it that, um, the main sort of, uh, reason why people do

01:30:17.200 it now is just to, like, freeze their eggs, right?

01:30:19.200 Mm-hmm.

01:30:19.800 So they can basically postpone being a responsible adult and a parent.

01:30:25.200 Um, but yeah, like, I just, I, I, I just strongly believe that that's, like, the future, you

01:30:30.200 know, for, for humanity.

01:30:31.840 Well, I'm just going to add one other thing.

01:30:33.680 So remember, the rich people are having kids.

01:30:36.760 Maybe they're putting off kids by having IVF.

01:30:40.420 The middle class aren't the, are the ones not having children. 1.00

01:30:43.260 But poor people are going to keep having kids, though. 1.00

01:30:46.320 Right.

01:30:46.760 They're going to keep having kids.

01:30:49.480 So there's that, too.

01:30:52.860 Yeah, well, do you think that, um, like, if it was accessible to the middle class, um,

01:31:00.820 and, you know, like, I guess that's a strong selling point is, it's like, oh, do you want

01:31:04.680 to have healthy kids that are going to grow up to be engineers and doctors?

01:31:08.620 Um, like, you know, if you had that, I think it's, I think it's going to be more accessible.

01:31:13.760 I don't see a world where, I kind of agree with you.

01:31:16.580 I don't see a world where this doesn't happen.

01:31:20.020 Yeah.

01:31:20.580 Like, I think there's too much money in it.

01:31:22.580 I just don't see it.

01:31:24.180 I, my question is, how much can they really delay fertility without there being major issues?

01:31:30.160 Can you imagine, in 20 years, if women that are 45 and 50 are regularly having children?

01:31:37.120 Oh, my God.

01:31:38.320 Well, their first kid.

01:31:40.280 You know what I mean?

01:31:40.800 My grandma was around 45 when she had her ninth kid.

01:31:45.500 You know, but it's going to be kind of crazy to watch, like, first time.

01:31:50.260 And I think my mom was, like, 42 or something.

01:31:53.100 But, again, it was, like, her sixth kid, right?

01:31:56.360 So, you know.

01:31:58.360 Okay.

01:31:58.900 Well, thanks for calling in, Carlos.

01:32:00.740 It was an interesting point.

01:32:02.100 Feel free to call back any time.

01:32:03.960 But I think we've got to move on to the next caller.

01:32:06.480 Sounds good.

01:32:07.000 Have a good one.

01:32:07.620 You too.

01:32:10.140 All right.

01:32:10.620 We got...

01:32:12.460 Sure.

01:32:19.280 You can just let them both in.

01:32:21.380 Let's see.

01:32:23.100 Okay.

01:32:25.940 We got...

01:32:27.140 John, welcome to the show.

01:32:32.440 Okay.

01:32:34.800 I'm going to have...

01:32:37.120 I hope I'm saying it right.

01:32:38.600 Ahan, go first.

01:32:41.340 Welcome to...

01:32:42.120 Thank you so much, Pearl.

01:32:42.920 Welcome to the show.

01:32:45.180 What are your thoughts on the topic?

01:32:48.540 First of all, I've been watching your show since...

01:32:52.360 Last two years, when Pearl was, like, a few thousand followers.

01:32:57.780 Wow.

01:32:58.180 Thanks so much.

01:32:58.580 I would like to make it clear.

01:33:00.620 I would like to make it clear.

01:33:01.920 I really appreciate the stuff that you talk...

01:33:04.360 That you mostly talk about.

01:33:05.860 And I'm actually joining the show from the other side of the world.

01:33:08.960 I'm in Pakistan right now.

01:33:10.660 So, I have a few things that might be not, you know, suitable for the audience.

01:33:15.000 Okay.

01:33:15.280 In terms of cultural difference.

01:33:17.320 But I have some points.

01:33:18.620 Because I work with American companies.

01:33:20.640 So, you know, I understand the culture.

01:33:22.920 I understand what people are going through and what kind of conversations are now.

01:33:26.920 We like all perspectives.

01:33:28.500 So, you can...

01:33:29.120 Yeah, that's fine.

01:33:30.260 That's amazing.

01:33:31.000 So, giving you a little bit of background.

01:33:32.700 I'm 29.

01:33:34.060 I'm father of three.

01:33:35.160 I got married when I was 23.

01:33:36.940 So, three kids.

01:33:38.460 All praise to God.

01:33:39.420 So, now coming to the topic.

01:33:41.300 I don't want to slack around it.

01:33:43.280 IVF.

01:33:43.760 First of all, my degree is in biotechnology.

01:33:46.480 So, I understand the whole thing.

01:33:48.420 What this is all about.

01:33:50.480 One thing I would like to add to the last caller is when they say this is like...

01:33:57.320 Imagine having kids at 40.

01:33:59.020 First of all, women are not built like that. 1.00

01:34:01.940 Their body, you know, this is biology.

01:34:05.260 This is human life.

01:34:06.920 It declines and cannot withstand all the nine-month course of pregnancy.

01:34:12.320 Right.

01:34:12.700 Through the, you know, in that kind of age.

01:34:14.500 So, they'll have the...

01:34:15.160 So, first of all...

01:34:15.720 The eggs will go in.

01:34:16.880 They might get pregnant, but it'll be a miscarriage is what you're saying.

01:34:19.900 It will because...

01:34:20.880 Yeah, they'll miscarry.

01:34:21.560 The thing is helping them understand there are two parts of pregnancy.

01:34:26.720 First is placenta coming from the man.

01:34:28.540 And then there is the uterus from the woman. 0.92

01:34:31.360 So, if placenta is good, if the guy is young, his health is good.

01:34:34.660 But if the uterus, where the whole thing is going to happen for nine months, is not in 0.97

01:34:39.940 a position to hold, you know, the growth and the hormones and changing all that, that's

01:34:45.560 not going to happen.

01:34:46.480 There's nothing going to happen.

01:34:47.580 And it will be a miscarriage.

01:34:48.580 It will be not only physical damage, but also, you know, mental damage, depression, anxiety,

01:34:53.800 you know, women on some sort of drugs or whatsoever. 0.99

01:34:56.600 But at the same time, what we are pushing toward is delaying kids.

01:35:01.120 It's a problem not only for the women, but also for the men. 1.00

01:35:03.960 So, if you're in your post-30s or close to 40s, it will be difficult for you to impregnate

01:35:09.000 somebody because your sperm is not that agile.

01:35:12.480 It's not going to be, you know, that fertilizing or that, you know, strengthen that it will impregnate

01:35:20.760 an egg in an IVF situation.

01:35:22.400 First of all, IVF is an artificial environment.

01:35:26.980 Slight changes, one or two neutrons going up and down, the whole process can't happen.

01:35:32.000 If you have 10 eggs, with IVF, you can impregnate at least three, and there is a chance of about

01:35:38.020 20 to 30% of them to, you know, go to the full pregnancy.

01:35:44.060 And even though in most cases, first three months is a critical time.

01:35:47.900 So, within the first three months, the pregnancy goes away.

01:35:51.760 There's very few chances.

01:35:52.980 I've been around people that done that process.

01:35:56.500 They were blessed.

01:35:57.460 They had money, everything.

01:35:59.020 But it's a big toll on the woman's side. 0.91

01:36:02.200 It takes a lot of, you know, experimentation going on back and forth.

01:36:06.040 So, making it available to middle class or poor people is also fugazi that people are talking about,

01:36:13.800 and I don't think so is coming any forward.

01:36:15.140 Pretty soon, people will realize that we have to go back to the same thing, which we used to do, you know,

01:36:20.700 getting married in early ages, being a responsible, you know, person, and repopulate the earth.

01:36:27.320 Do you really see that happening?

01:36:29.240 Because I don't see any trend or data anywhere that that's going to happen.

01:36:34.160 The only, like, the only investments I see is into technology that's like,

01:36:39.440 like, I'm not saying what I want to happen, but I look at the trends.

01:36:43.000 I'm like, I don't see it going any other way.

01:36:45.520 But I'm open to being proven wrong, so feel free.

01:36:48.960 No, no.

01:36:49.560 No, it's not like that.

01:36:50.640 I would say data is one indicator.

01:36:54.520 But on the other side, when things go wrong, people tend to go with the processes which work.

01:37:00.900 That's how humans, you know, evolve.

01:37:03.320 And when they see something is not working out, they'll go to something that used to work out.

01:37:07.500 And, again, I would say this is natural selection.

01:37:10.780 So if somebody thinks they're so smart and they're going to dodge the whole nature cycle,

01:37:17.200 eventually what's going to happen is nature is going to catch up with them and they will be obsolete.

01:37:21.880 Their gene will be out of gene pool.

01:37:23.840 And some poor guy with 11 kids or 10 kids or 5 kids is going to replace that gene pool.

01:37:28.720 And what are you going to do about it?

01:37:30.420 Do you know what, though?

01:37:31.540 Do you know what?

01:37:32.220 Imagine.

01:37:32.820 Do you know what, though?

01:37:33.620 I just, I think the problem is social media.

01:37:36.940 It doesn't even matter if the technology works.

01:37:40.220 Women just have to believe that it works. 1.00

01:37:43.840 Does that make sense?

01:37:44.800 I think that's the caveat.

01:37:46.320 Go ahead.

01:37:47.520 I understand.

01:37:48.460 Even though living in a third world country, I'm looking at the present situation out there.

01:37:53.860 I'm a kind of a social person.

01:37:55.380 I like to go out, sit with people, talk about these things.

01:37:57.880 Because let me tell you guys, all the viewers that are, you know, watching from Europe or America or something like that,

01:38:05.340 anything you guys discuss eventually get discussed among us as well in the third world.

01:38:09.780 Because you guys are, you know, now being the first world nation, you guys are the trendsetters, right?

01:38:14.880 So when you bring something in discussion, that also gets discussed among us.

01:38:20.800 So we see there are a few problems with the Western way of thinking.

01:38:24.480 And eventually you guys are going to realize yourself as well.

01:38:28.220 And that's where we're going to go.

01:38:30.220 Do you see any of the trends that are happening here, happening in Pakistan?

01:38:35.780 Yes.

01:38:36.360 First of all, the feminism, third wave. 0.66

01:38:39.500 Women don't think they should get married. 1.00

01:38:41.320 I'm in a Muslim country where...

01:38:42.700 So you agree the trends are going the same way.

01:38:45.820 I was about to ask.

01:38:47.000 I've always wanted to get a person...

01:38:48.740 How does the feminism work in a predominantly Muslim society? 1.00

01:38:54.040 How does that work?

01:38:56.280 Well, I would like to add one thing.

01:38:58.020 And if you, some of the people that understand the religion out there, especially Muslim religion,

01:39:04.240 feminism is not something which should have affected us. 0.99

01:39:08.340 Because the way Islam talks about women, except the Fox News and, you know, ABC, whatever news channels you guys are watching there. 1.00

01:39:19.420 Women already have a lot of rights, which in post-1900 women in America and Europe got. 0.66

01:39:26.100 When we had those rights in our culture since the beginning.

01:39:30.520 So if we take the litmus test of modern Islamic, so-called Islamic countries, that's not a justice with the religion, to be very honest with you. 1.00

01:39:40.040 So Muslims are very immune to this thing that it's not going to affect us because we hear women don't like to go out work. 0.97

01:39:48.700 Muslim women, they think that the best thing they can have is a good husband that takes care of them. 1.00

01:39:52.540 OK, but now when you get shamed for choosing the motherhood, it eventually catches up.

01:40:01.540 So young women that are going to universities, that are watching YouTube and all the, you know, Netflix and all that stuff.

01:40:08.820 So they think that they know something better.

01:40:11.900 And now, you know, I'm married.

01:40:14.720 I see people around me that are not getting married.

01:40:17.400 They wish traditional ways, but the way they act is like modern and all that.

01:40:23.360 So now there is a big, big lag, which women think that it's their own fault. 1.00

01:40:30.640 I have one more question.

01:40:32.280 So we have Christian feminism in the West, especially in the United States, where women in church, and you've probably seen stories about it. 0.90

01:40:43.300 Is there that going on in Pakistan with a Christian kind of Islam?

01:40:47.460 I'm sorry, a feminist kind of Islam developing? 1.00

01:40:50.420 Yeah, women wish they should bring something where they can demean men. 1.00

01:40:56.860 But the thing is, our society is mostly predominantly patriarchal because men do most of the work.

01:41:04.460 In Third World Nation, you know, you cannot afford to be a feminist because life is not that easy. 1.00

01:41:08.380 When you go out, you know, you don't get to be, I would say, being in an air conditioning transport, going to the work, and you have, like, privileges and all that.

01:41:22.320 This is like a cutthroat society where everybody is trying to make their living.

01:41:25.640 So they're trying to become that, but when they go out, when they face the music in the real society, they understand the better ways to be sit at home and, or maybe, you know, do something like business-wise and have a husband that takes care of them.

01:41:41.240 Right.

01:41:41.760 Okay. Thank you.

01:41:43.280 Thank you for calling in.

01:41:44.760 I have to move on to the next caller.

01:41:46.500 It was pleasant.

01:41:48.100 Thank you so much for having me, and I really appreciate you guys keep discussing such things that really, you know, I would say make a difference.

01:41:54.480 Thank you so much.

01:41:55.280 Thank you.

01:41:56.660 Jonathan.

01:41:57.340 Thank you, Pearl.

01:41:58.740 Do you have anything to add?

01:42:03.820 You're on mute.

01:42:05.020 Yeah, you're muted, if you're on mute.

01:42:07.020 No, now can you hear?

01:42:08.660 Yeah, I can hear you.

01:42:09.780 Hello.

01:42:10.260 Welcome to the show.

01:42:12.140 Oh, welcome.

01:42:13.240 It's my first time on the show.

01:42:14.880 I've been watching you for a long time now, so I like this thing.

01:42:19.840 Well, I'm from Nicaragua.

01:42:22.280 Okay.

01:42:22.500 And based on the steam that you're having tonight, I've been listening very carefully, but I don't really see lots of that problem on here, you know, with women saving the eggs and stuff like that.

01:42:37.180 You see?

01:42:37.520 You got very strong women on here. 1.00

01:42:39.520 You do see that happening there?

01:42:42.360 No.

01:42:42.820 Oh, you don't?

01:42:43.800 You don't see that happening in Nicaragua?

01:42:46.700 Yeah, it's not really.

01:42:49.240 No, got a lot of strong women around here. 1.00

01:42:52.660 And most of them are still 40 at their party, even 50.

01:42:58.320 So when you see stories like this whole IVF thing or women, you know, doing IVF by themselves, what do you think?

01:43:08.940 At first, it's strange to me, you know.

01:43:11.460 I would imagine so.

01:43:12.760 Because it's like, I don't know, sometimes, sometimes I listen to Pearl team and like, you know, some of those team, like feminist things and stuff like that. 0.97

01:43:26.200 You know, some of them we do have, but really like this kind, you know, let's go back to finance.

01:43:34.800 People don't even have money for that.

01:43:36.900 So, you know, and they're very, percentage is very low in barring women. 0.91

01:43:45.600 So, you know, you got a lot of people who, even though we have kids like 15, 16 years having babies, you know, very good.

01:43:55.240 And they go right up.

01:43:56.980 It's like, I believe the food they eat, the water, the drink, and the air, you know, everything is much more natural.

01:44:04.600 So it's like, let's go back in the 80s or in the 90s.

01:44:09.500 People are still strong over here.

01:44:12.200 Well, thank you for so much for sharing your experience.

01:44:16.160 It's always cool when we have people from other countries call in.

01:44:19.980 I think we got to move on to the next caller, but thank you so much.

01:44:22.940 You're welcome.

01:44:23.600 You're welcome, Pearl.

01:44:24.580 Take care.

01:44:25.240 Put in Matt next.

01:44:28.540 And I think that's going to be the last caller.

01:44:33.080 Hey, Matt, how's it going?

01:44:35.500 Oh, not bad.

01:44:37.300 Oh, sorry.

01:44:38.460 You're okay.

01:44:40.120 So what are your thoughts on the topic?

01:44:43.560 To be honest with you, I'm okay with it. 1.00

01:44:46.740 Women are so screwed. 1.00

01:44:48.840 All right. 1.00

01:44:49.980 Our collapse of society is like eminent.

01:44:54.120 So all you guys out there that have all kinds of resources that you kind of want to hand off to a son or something like that.

01:45:00.660 You might as well just take advantage of that technology and save yourself.

01:45:04.960 At this point, like I mentioned in the YouTube chat, you know, there's research going on there about external gestation.

01:45:15.100 You know, and Steve mentioned there, too, you've got CRISPR technology.

01:45:18.780 So you might as well create a synthetic human there with no gender and hope for the best, I guess. 0.94

01:45:25.080 That's what I think about it.

01:45:26.320 So, so would you, would you do it if you were, if you had a wife or a girlfriend that had fertility issues or would you dump her and find someone younger?

01:45:37.740 Where would you go?

01:45:39.400 Well, to be honest with you, I wouldn't mind having somebody younger, but the problem is I ain't really attractive very much in my demographic of the world, unfortunately.

01:45:48.540 Where are you at?

01:45:49.040 So, yeah, I'm in near, I'm in Winnipeg, actually, and then I'm kind of heading, getting ready to move further north there into Toulon, Manitoba.

01:45:59.080 What kind of women do they have? 1.00

01:46:00.760 Like, like lumberjack woman or? 0.99

01:46:03.640 Well, you know, if you like, if you like toothless, toothless Indians and, you know, and. 1.00

01:46:08.960 They say that, like, there's these trad women in the country that are just, like, waiting to, like, make bread. 1.00

01:46:16.040 Do they not exist?

01:46:17.640 No, waiting to tap cheese for maple syrup, right?

01:46:20.720 Yeah, are they there?

01:46:21.800 Oh, my God.

01:46:23.420 Like, the kind of, like, the kind of women out here are not bad, but they're just, okay, Manitoba is, like, this weird zombified province, okay? 1.00

01:46:35.320 It's like, okay, you know, if the universities I go to, you think that there's going to be dorm rooms of lots of fucking, you know, you see all, you know, you go into, say, what do you call it, like UCLA, whatever it is, and you've got the protests. 0.96

01:46:49.140 We're going to snop out all those Christians, and we want anti-abortion and pro-abortion, and you've got all these people that are ready to kill each other. 1.00

01:46:57.080 So you've got a little bit here in Manitoba, there, like, in the University of Manitoba, for instance, and everybody's like, yeah, we don't like abortion, and everybody's just like, eh, you know, whatever. 0.95

01:47:09.600 There's no frat houses here.

01:47:12.200 There's no, there's no.

01:47:14.320 So people don't, people don't hook up?

01:47:16.420 They're not, like, doing anything?

01:47:17.420 No, it's just, like, it just displaces. 0.68

01:47:19.120 You go to school, you get education, you get the fuck out. 0.93

01:47:21.620 You go to work, you get your work, you get your money, and you get the fuck out. 0.98

01:47:25.040 And most of the nightclubs are, well, there's a couple of clubs here in Winnipeg, but they're just kind of around.

01:47:31.340 There's, like, three of them, and there's nothing, a whole hell of a lot to do.

01:47:34.240 There probably is a lot of hookup culture, but it's just so scarce and empty and zombified.

01:47:41.800 I'm like, these women are not celibate. 1.00

01:47:43.980 They're doing somebody.

01:47:45.140 No, no, they are.

01:47:46.460 You're actually right.

01:47:47.420 I'm just saying that Winnipeg, Manitoba is a place of just zombified people. 0.76

01:47:54.660 Like, I don't, it's for the men, too.

01:47:56.620 It's, it's, it's a very weird place.

01:47:59.320 Everybody's all fluoride damage or something around here.

01:48:02.100 Like, it just, like, it just, they're like, you have to wonder if they're even human beings.

01:48:06.940 You go, if I go into North Dakota, just south of the border, and you start noticing a radical change in culture.

01:48:12.740 But as soon as you get across, as soon as you cross over the Canada border, northern Manitoba, everything is just zombie.

01:48:19.920 So you, how old are you?

01:48:22.540 I'm 40 years old.

01:48:23.740 So if you met a 40-year-old woman and she said, let's give it a go with IVF, you're down. 0.99

01:48:29.120 Well, I said there, you know, I might as well just grow it in a maturation chamber.

01:48:33.620 But you're, you're in.

01:48:35.080 Yeah, it's just like, you might as well.

01:48:37.940 Like, I need, I, like, I'm an only child, okay?

01:48:40.480 I got no brothers, sisters.

01:48:41.740 I got thousands of dollars for the resources.

01:48:44.120 Where are they going to go, you know?

01:48:45.820 You might as well.

01:48:46.580 So, okay.

01:48:48.200 Do you know anybody that's done it personally?

01:48:52.600 No, actually.

01:48:53.680 No, you don't know anyone.

01:48:54.240 I don't think, I've never even seen the procedure available anywhere in this part of the country.

01:48:58.840 I'm pretty sure it might be somewhere.

01:49:00.260 But I've just never heard of it even for being offered in this area.

01:49:04.780 So when you meet your, like, maple syrup queen up there, you can, you have to, you'll fly her to, like, you'll fly her to, to wherever, whatever the big cities are in Canada.

01:49:20.000 I don't even know.

01:49:21.800 Probably have to fly her to Texas or something or L.A. or California where they threw everything right up. 1.00

01:49:28.200 Maybe we'll get a fertility doctor on the network. 1.00

01:49:32.700 If you can't beat them, join them.

01:49:34.460 Do you know what I mean?

01:49:36.140 Well, absolutely.

01:49:36.880 Like, there's all kinds of things that can be done.

01:49:39.600 Like, for God's sakes, you know, there might even, I've come across some really interesting research in, actually, believe it or not, in electromagnetics.

01:49:47.380 This is very advanced electromagnetics.

01:49:49.240 I bet you the other guy that from Pakistan would love, I'd love to have a conversation with him.

01:49:53.860 Okay.

01:49:54.460 That there may actually be possible to, like, for instance, a 20-year-old woman, if you were to grab a bunch of her eggs, that you could actually almost digitize the complete genome section into a computer and then actually put it back in.

01:50:11.860 You could see if the kid's going to be ugly or not.

01:50:15.960 Well, hold on a minute.

01:50:17.820 It might be possible to digitally change DNA.

01:50:21.760 Like, it might actually be possible, like, to reach your ovaries or eggs or whatever is your ovaries and re-stripe them like a VHS cassette.

01:50:31.160 Hey, I said a million dollars.

01:50:33.580 I'll sell one.

01:50:34.420 I wonder if they're going to have a racket where they'll pay 20 to 25-year-old women for their eggs for people to use. 1.00

01:50:44.720 I bet.

01:50:45.240 No, they do it already.

01:50:47.200 That's a thing.

01:50:48.320 Yeah, that's totally a thing.

01:50:50.760 Okay, I didn't know that.

01:50:52.260 Well, now with the ability, like, the DNA inside human beings, believe it or not, has all kinds of information.

01:50:59.400 And it's really fascinating.

01:51:01.180 So it's totally possible.

01:51:02.640 Let's just say, Pearl, 90 years from, not 90 years.

01:51:06.640 No, it's too far.

01:51:07.300 Let's just say 40, 50 years from now, your mother's walking around with a cane. 0.96

01:51:11.700 She's got gray hair.

01:51:12.820 She's lost all her teeth. 0.98

01:51:15.100 I came across Russian research, which I kind of lost during a police raid, but it was very, very in-depth, about a woman in their 90s growing back her teeth by taking light from one of their daughters.

01:51:31.120 So laser light would shine on the gums and then come back out through a quartz fiber back to her mother and shine that light onto the damaged section of the mouth and able to actually regrow the tooth. 0.96

01:51:48.140 And part of the reason why is, as you age, it's like having a VHS tape or a cassette tape and the tape gets chewed up.

01:51:55.560 But if you're able to restructure that genetic sequence, which much of it exists if you had offspring, there's entirely possible that the immune system can actually rebuild that damaged section of DNA.

01:52:08.640 So presumably, isn't that what Assassin's Creed the game is about?

01:52:14.500 Well, I don't know about that.

01:52:15.600 On this play, on this play, they have a thing with Assassin's Creed that's kind of where you can tell someone's history through their DNA.

01:52:22.600 I was just making a joke, never mind.

01:52:23.840 Well, actually, you know what, there might be something to that, unfortunately, which is, I won't get into it now, because if you want to know more, I can give you more of my awful life error.

01:52:32.220 But I've seen two stories where the daughter had something go wrong with her uterus where she couldn't carry a child. 1.00

01:52:42.280 So her husband and the daughter had the mother carry their child. 0.99

01:52:47.800 So the mother gave birth to the grandchild.

01:52:50.880 Then I saw a story where the son was infertile, so the father, they used the father's sperm to impregnate his wife.

01:53:03.360 The dad didn't sleep with the wife.

01:53:04.860 They used insemination.

01:53:06.440 So the father used his sperm to impregnate the wife, and they had a kid. 0.75

01:53:11.380 So they're raising his brother as their grandchild.

01:53:17.160 That's crazy.

01:53:17.700 It makes perfect sense.

01:53:19.680 You have to understand, you can do this all with computers now.

01:53:22.620 Analog to digital conversion technology and instrumentation is so advanced now that there is more than enough computing power to be able to digitize enough of the genome spectrum at high bid rates to be able to take it off of, say, a sperm sample and re-stripe it onto another sperm sample.

01:53:44.340 There is more than enough technology to do that now.

01:53:46.960 I want to spread my eggs.

01:53:50.900 You know, guys can spread their seeds.

01:53:55.340 Well, you know, if you've got enough computer conversion technology, it might actually be possible.

01:54:01.040 I know it's funny, but it might actually be possible now.

01:54:03.680 I know it's funny.

01:54:04.520 It might actually be possible.

01:54:05.220 I know it's funny.

01:54:06.440 I know it's funny.

01:54:08.020 That's crazy.

01:54:08.980 Dang.

01:54:09.980 That's so crazy.

01:54:10.620 Thanks.

01:54:10.960 Yeah, go ahead.

01:54:11.620 Go ahead.

01:54:11.960 Go ahead.

01:54:12.260 No, no, no.

01:54:12.860 I was going to say, thank you for calling in, Matt.

01:54:14.400 He put in the chat, what's the show about?

01:54:15.400 I'm calling in.

01:54:16.400 So I knew he was going to come in through.

01:54:18.060 Always good calling, Matt.

01:54:19.060 Thank you for calling in, bro.

01:54:20.200 thanks matt calling anytime thank you very much bye bye bye um i think there was one super chat

01:54:27.660 i didn't read it was let me go up let me go back um also thank you to everyone in the audacity chat

01:54:38.040 we love you out here doug mpa isn't the audacity chat awesome yeah the youtube chat the audacity

01:54:45.520 chat and there's a bunch of new faces and both so thank you guys for being in both chats we really

01:54:50.340 appreciate it thank you for all the donations and uh if we ever do a show about ivf again pearl

01:54:55.300 there's a guy there's a british guy who met this single he came to the united states and moved to

01:55:00.820 california and he met this single mom of three they got married but he they wanted to have a child

01:55:06.780 but she was in her late 30s and he robbed banks to come up with money for they were through seven

01:55:14.560 rounds ivf to have their child he robbed banks to pay the money back and he said he got caught and

01:55:21.580 had to go to prison yeah he stole like eighty thousand dollars to try to pay out because they

01:55:27.040 went over a hundred thousand dollars in ivf debt he robbed banks he got thrown in jail and then he

01:55:32.360 got deported i would just take that al anna says great show tonight the topic commentary and guests

01:55:38.320 were very interesting um captain says i think a lot of autism comes from ultrasound scans this

01:55:44.440 is because the technology was designed as a weapon let that sink in i don't really think so i think

01:55:49.720 the old eggs makes way more sense um i think that's uh i think that's everything from this chat i think

01:56:00.780 there was one super chat i missed okay what are your final thoughts on the topic doug mpa

01:56:07.060 um we're gonna see more and more women uh counting on ivf as a family planning strategy we're gonna see more 1.00

01:56:17.500 single mothers by choice uh you're gonna see more women getting disappointed because he can't fight

01:56:22.660 biology he just can't do it and um yeah and single mothers by choice are the worst and that's it 1.00

01:56:31.060 um emma says congrats on remonetization um i my final thoughts are that i expect this to get worse

01:56:39.720 um i don't see it getting better and i know i'm black-pilled guys but i'm a happy black pillar so

01:56:46.360 that makes it better okay um i do think it's going to be more common for women to have kids in their late 1.00

01:56:52.060 30s 40s and even 50s i don't think the majority will be successful but i think there will be enough

01:56:59.260 that do it that will spread hope to all women to make them think that they can be them but they 0.99

01:57:05.880 don't have their money resources or looks to pull it off similar to taylor swift bagging a nfl athlete

01:57:14.380 super bowl champion at like 36 or whatever she is you know um she gives women hope everywhere that 1.00

01:57:21.640 they can do that and they can't um i think it'll be something similar do you agree with that doug mpa

01:57:27.240 yeah i mean that's the reality the sad reality so but we're happy people so it's all right right

01:57:36.540 you know okay guys um thanks so much for watching today i love having these interesting topics on the

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JustPearlyThings - March 28, 2025

Problems In IVF (Call-in Show) ｜ Pearl Daily

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