She DEBUNKED Body Positivity
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about beauty in the eye of the beholder, body positivity, self-awareness and the importance of self-love. We also discuss the dangers of fat shaming and how to deal with it.
Transcript
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What do you think? Is beauty in the eye of the beholder?
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Yes, when we're thinking about character. So I think personally for me, I write myself a four
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physically. Really? What? Yeah, I'm definitely not four.
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I'm pretty, you're not a four. No, no, no. But I genuinely like,
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it doesn't bother me. I'm just, I'm very objective about it. I write myself a four.
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However, I honestly believe what we're missing today is like, everybody's saying that what it
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appears to be. Everybody's saying, oh, I'm a 10, I'm a 10. But they misconstrued it in terms of their
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personality, everything as a package, they're a 10. So there is no room for improvement. And
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I mean, I'm thinking about like, at what point does humility come in? You know, it seems like
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non-existent. Therefore, they won't really do any, you know, introspection and are they self-aware and
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all that stuff. So I'm just saying, just saying you're a 10, it's just, it's problematic. But
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from what I'm saying is that, um, so I think I'm a four, but with my personality and everything and
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my character, all these very important things, they kind of make the package, they make the person.
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And these are the ways that people fall in love, um, you know, with somebody's character. So I think
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that's what they're fundamentally missing when they just say they're a 10. Okay, so you're a 10,
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but what about your personality? I'm a 10 there as well. I'm just perfect all around,
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which just comes across as arrogance to me. What do you guys think of the body positivity movement?
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In terms of what? Do you think it's good for society? No, it isn't. Why? Well, uh, whose,
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whose body are we saying that it's that, that they're fine? Like what, what, what change has,
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have we seen? I don't know. I'm just, I just wanted to know how you think.
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Uh, well, for example, like I think about a while ago, I saw, uh, a clearly obese woman, uh, on the
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cover of a magazine. I can't remember what magazine it was, but then they said very clearly, this is
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healthy. And I'm just like, are they trying to manipulate me into thinking that that's healthy? And
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she was in sportswear, but clearly she's not. It's like, clearly you ain't going to the gym.
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I know, right? And she was on the treadmill in a mid, like, come on.
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But, but, but what I find generally heartbreaking is that, okay, yes, I'm, I'm physically slim.
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Right. So people are going to be like, oh, you're just like fat shaming, but I genuinely have concerns
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for her. So when I see people who are like, oh yeah, girl, you're a 10. Sorry. I can't speak like that.
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I'm terrible, but yeah. Yeah. You know, yes, queen. And I'm like, I'm, it breaks my heart.
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I'm just like, you don't care about her. You're not telling her, you're not encouraging her to
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change. You know, there's a risk of diabetes. Are they saying, um, diabetes is a 10? Are they saying
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asthma is a 10? Are they saying depression is a 10? Uh, so yeah, you can say, yeah, you're a 10,
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but no one's there when she's crying all alone and she has all these health problems.
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What happens to all that energy then? And it is really heartbreaking. And I've seen,
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and I've seen plenty of people who have been obese and they've, uh, you know, they made TikToks
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and stuff. And they say, um, on the TikTok, uh, I've done this to myself or I'm going to take
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responsibility. And then you see their progression and there's so much happier and they're not in
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that delusion. And somebody who genuinely cares about you will tell you the ugly truth,
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but they are telling you, they're not telling you a beautiful lie. And that's what you want from a
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friend. And that's what we should have in society. If you have, everybody's like, oh yeah,
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you're fine. Yeah. You're fine. Yeah. You're fine. Um, it's actually really unfair. And I'm just
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thinking like, in a way I think it's really sinister. Cause if I was fat and my friend told
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me, you're fine. I'm like, she doesn't give a shit about me. She really doesn't. She would
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have told me this is, you're actually ill. You're not well. And the moment I get on that treadmill
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and she's there by my side, you know, championing me on, I'm like, well, that is a friend. So the
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moment I see people are like encouraging very unhealthy behavior, uh, it really does genuinely
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break my heart. And I, I just like my genetics or whatever is, you know, people say, oh, you're,
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you're slim. You can afford to say that. No, I genuinely care about people and I encourage them.
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And when I see people obviously are, yeah, it really questions. Um, it makes me question their
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motives. Like you have an agenda. Why are you, you know, encouraging clearly unhealthy behavior?
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And is that why you don't agree? You don't think the body positivity movement is positive?
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No, I, I, well, it's false body positivity because it's saying you're fine the way you
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are and there is no, you know, improve. There is no, uh, they're not, we're not championing
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improvement is what I'm saying. Okay. I think that's a good point that you made. Um, but I would like
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to like draw upon like the opposite side of that. Like obviously with body positivity, it's not just about,
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um, like weight. It's about like skin texture, skin color. Yeah. But that's like one of the
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biggest things I've seen. You, you've seen more between like weight. Yeah. I don't, I don't really
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see skin texture or skin color. That kind of thing. Or like people that don't shave, people are hairier.
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Yeah. I mean, I don't want to see that. Like why are they putting that? I miss the days when models
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would make me feel bad about myself and I would put their picture on the treadmill and I'd start
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running. I didn't bring them back. I think you've got to find a balance because if you go to the other
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end of the spectrum and someone's really underweight and it's being advertised, it's, it's not gonna,
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that's not so great. I think you are, you are ultimately, ultimately you are fine the way you are
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because I don't think no one can tell you anything. Obviously if you're having these health issues,
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then definitely needs to be addressed. But, um, yeah, to be honest with you.
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So you think you're fine the way you are at 300 pounds?
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Not necessarily. You're not. I do think you should, you should definitely do something about that.
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But I think it's about being realistic. If these types of things are being shown on media,
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then I think it should be shown in a way to show that, listen, whether it's bad or good,
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uh, there are people like this and they're still part of society, et cetera, et cetera. It doesn't,
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it doesn't, it doesn't deem you, uh, a certain way in a negative way, if that makes sense.
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Don't you think it normalizes it? Because shouldn't obesity not be normal? Shouldn't it be abnormal?
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Isn't that what we should want? I think obesity shouldn't be the norm, but I do feel like there are
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people that are just going to be bigger and there's people that are going to be smaller regardless.
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Like if we put everyone on the same diet, people will still be different sizes.
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I did say like not obese. I said like people are going to be different sizes. And I think,
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um, it'd be interesting if body positivity went in the, in the way, in the direction that we're like,
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okay, they're going to be people that are different sizes and they're still a part of society.
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They still should be respected. We still need to treat them like humans. I think that's kind of what
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the direction it should have gone in instead of like normalizing, um, being morbidly obese.
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I think that's your point. But I, but I think people will say when you say all shapes and sizes,
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they will put in morbidly obese. Like that's fine. Unless you explicitly say except morbidly obese,
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but then you will be, you know, shamed for fat shaming. No, like, I mean, like genetically,
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like you're going to be shorter. I might be taller. Someone might be, I don't, I don't want to say that
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use the term big boned because it doesn't really make sense, but some people are going to be broader
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and have wider shoulders. Like, this is like the reason why a lot of people pursue different sports.
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Um, you just built different, you know, regardless of diet and how, how you train, you can't really
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change your genetics by that much. Some people achieve certain muscle formations that certain
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people won't have, you know, I want to show you guys, um, something that I saw on Twitter today.
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I'm going to blessing. And this is, I'm going to send it to you. You may send it on Instagram.
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Yeah. Cause it's, it's an extra one. I don't think it's like normal to the extent here. Let me,
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uh, okay. I saw a picture on Twitter today. That was like a beach from the seventies or like it was
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before the seventies, maybe sixties, fifties and obesity really wasn't normal. Then if you go to a
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third world country, it's not normal. Even, even like there weren't even really overweight people.
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Um, and so I feel like when you put them on the cover of magazines, it's like, you're saying find,
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like, find me attractive. You must find me attractive. And when you're like, uh, not really,
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like, I wouldn't want to look like that ever at all. Not even a little bit. They, they say your body
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shaming, but it's just like, honest. Do you know what I have more issue with? I don't really have an
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issue with putting someone that's large on in front of a magazine. I have more of an issue with like
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the magazine's intentions because a lot of these big magazines have promoted like hyper skinny
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or underweight women for like the past 10 years or past decades before. And then just to put a
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larger woman in front of the magazine all of a sudden is like, yeah, let's just forget all the
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past women we promoted before. And this is a new standard of beauty. I don't really like that
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kind of narrative where like, okay, we're just going to switch up now. And this is what we support
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Mm-Hmm. What do you, what do you mean? Cause like, let's say you use like like Marilyn Monroe,
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she wasn't underweight. She was like a pinnacle of beauty. Yeah. But she's like one woman. Yeah.
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I think that's the exception, not the rule when it comes to everybody had that hourglass figure.
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That's why it's so iconic. Yeah. I feel like that was like, because of the fashion at the time,
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if you look at the kind of the dresses that they wear, it's very like skirts are very high-waisted
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and it's very tight at this point. I think it's more to the fashion and emulating this type of style.
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