She Gets ROASTED for Asking For This Kind Of Men in 2023
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In this episode, we talk about vulnerability in relationships and how to deal with it. We discuss how to be emotionally strong in a relationship and what to look out for in a partner. We also talk about what it means to be a good provider for your partner and what they need to do to make sure they can provide for their partner.
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But that's different when she said on the first day, why would you be so comfortable to open up someone?
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But the point is every girl's different, right?
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So every girl's different with what they'll tolerate.
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So why are they going to play, like, roll the dice when they could just not deal with it at all?
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I think, again, the balance of probabilities, if you had 10 men and 10 women lined up.
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I mean, it seems to me that women, like, they want the guy to be the leader.
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Not the rock as in the rock, but they want the guy to be their rock.
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And if the dude is, I mean, obviously, he's not going to be crying every night.
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But, you know, if the dude is, like, emoting the whole time and he's looking to her for support excessively, that's going to, it just seems to me it's going to put her off.
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And there is a school of thought in the sort of men's online self-help space that basically says, you know, you should not be vulnerable in front of the woman that you're with because she's going to lose attraction for you.
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And if she loses attraction for you, then that's the, that's, you know, it's game over there, basically.
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Yeah, it may well be, but I'm just saying that that's, there's that school.
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So if you need a bit of hard time, it's like, I wouldn't like to, oh, yeah, don't come to me.
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Just go and fix your stuff and then come to me.
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I think, I think some guys, though, I've never been married, so I can't speak to this personally, but I think some guys, you know, you feel like you meet this, you meet the woman and you guys are in a relationship.
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And you think, oh, now I can, now finally I can relax.
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Now I can, now I've got somebody who I can talk to and she can help me with my feelings and blah, blah, blah.
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But the problem is, when you then do that, that can sometimes give the woman the ick, you know, and the woman's like, oh, wait a minute, this isn't the strong, you know, stable oak that I signed up for.
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I think it matters about timing and duration, depending on how long you guys have been together for.
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Depends on when you need to open up, because my partner opens up to me, but that took a long time.
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And even when he does, it's limited information.
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Would it be attractive if your partner cried to you all the time?
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But he doesn't cry to me, but I always let him know that, you know, I'm supposed to be your safe haven.
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You know, your partner is supposed to be that safe space.
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But doesn't mean cry to me from Monday to Friday to Sunday.
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Not every day, but, you know, that I'm supposed to be your safe space.
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So, I'm curious for you, because you said you want a guy to meet your standards.
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I'm not specific about numbers, because I actually don't, like, I'm not on a salary.
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Like, I work for myself, so, do you know what I mean, I don't get salary, so I don't really know how people manoeuvre.
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But he needs to be able to look after me, pay the bills, pay everything, and then also give me money on top.
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Not that I won't do the same for him, but I'm just saying what he needs to be able to do.
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Wait, so you want him to pay 100% of the bill and give you, how much money does he have to give you on top?
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He just needs to give me money, like, if I want to buy something.
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For example, I might want to buy a Dior bag this month.
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If I start from about 2, 3K, then I might need that.
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I can definitely buy it by myself, but sometimes things feel nicer when it's a gift from your partner.
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I don't think your boyfriend's supposed to take care of you.
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You know, he doesn't need to take care of you, but it's nice if he does.
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I like luxury items, so that's something that I like.
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If you go to Walthamstow Market, you can get them for $29.
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But if you're the one who likes the luxury items, why does he have to pay for it?
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No, I'm not saying I won't buy it myself, but this is the thing.
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I'm just saying that he needs to make enough whereby there's capacity and there's room where he can afford to give me money for a bag if that's what I want to get at that present moment in time.
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Even on my part as well, there needs to be spare money where we can spend it luxuriously.
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He gets a loyal, loving woman who will eventually have his kids take care of the house.
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If he likes gifts, he can get a gift as well because there's money there.
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So how much money do you think that would cost?
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Because that's what some people make in a month.
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I mean, based on people around me, definitely 100, 100K plus salary for sure.
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I know it's not that high, but personally, the people I'm around to make that amount of money.
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So then do you think you're in the top 5% of women?
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I mean, men like men like me, but I don't know if I'm in the top 5%.
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I look for someone who can match me in terms of like, for example, I drive.
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And then on top of that, he needs to be at least like 5'10.
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And when it comes down to money, I don't really have a figure on that.
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I've noticed in London, the girls aren't as picky about money.
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But I get a lot more 40, 50,000 like here than I do when I was doing podcasts in Miami.
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Like here, I don't know why it's a lot lower here.
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Because I think the percentage, there's not that many men, like you said, that are making
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I could look it up maybe, but it's similar in the US.
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It's still only 5%, 10% of men that make over six figures.
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I mean, as well, I think if women weren't picky, then like we wouldn't be single.
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Because there's always a guy that wants to date you.
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Miami does seem to be particularly like money focused though.
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Not that London isn't in certain pockets, but there's also a lot of more regular people
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in London who maybe they're, you know, they're not as bothered.
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I mean, look, as a guy, I mean, what do I look for?
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Obviously, I look for somebody that I'm attracted to, you know, somebody who I think is aesthetically
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nice, you know, but equally it's about, is she pleasant?
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It's like you said before, I'm not bothered about what she makes.
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I'm not bothered about really any of those things.
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But is she somebody that I can chill with and she's just going to be pleasant and it's
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not going to be, you know, hard work basically.
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It's a pretty low bar really, but that's kind of what it is, you know?
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I mean, but there has got to be that initial attraction to be fair.
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So, yeah, I would say that really, you know, I don't think guys have a huge shopping list
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Then if your standards are low, but you're single, that means you're somewhat picky.
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No, of course, I'm somewhat picky because, no, I was joking before.
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I'm somewhat picky because like, I mean, look, I'm at an age now.
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I mean, when I was in my 20s, you know, running around like a lunatic and, you know, whatever.
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These days, I'm slightly less motivated by that.
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So if I get to spend time with somebody, they've got to have certain, you know,
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they've got to have a certain quality about them, you know?
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And for me, the most important thing really is pleasantness.
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It's not like she has to be super intellectual or she has to know about certain things
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I mean, I was in a relationship for a couple of years.
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I just haven't really wanted to really get serious with anybody.
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So, you know, it's a number of reasons, really.
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Well, a friend of mine, James Tusk, who's also a dating coach, has got a YouTube channel.
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He went on a date with an American woman in, it was in Tulum, I think, in Mexico.
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And he went on a date with this American woman.
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She was like from New York, bit of a ball breaker, you know, whatever.
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So he's got this like thing where, say, right, I'm going to ask you a question.
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And then you get to ask me a question and you get to know each other like that.
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So he's doing this question game with the girl.
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Her first question was, what did you make last year?
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So he was just like in the bar and he was just like, all right.
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But so he was like, well, all right, this date's over.
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And then he just walked out and left her to it.
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So even if that is a, obviously, yeah, you know, you want to have a certain life, maybe
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But to come out with it like that, I mean, that sort of behavior.
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And look, I mean, I'm sure British women would do that as well.
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This is an American woman from one of the big cities.
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It's not very feminine and it's not very attractive.
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What are some other masculine things that you see women do often?
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I mean, I think it's not even so much masculine things.
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It's just like, look, this is this is game over.
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Like there's got to be an element of sort of give and take in that.
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And I'm not saying like, oh, you know, she's got to, you know, live up to this strict code or something.
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But it's a bit like, come on, you know, and just being difficult as well.
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Not allowing the thing to flow easily because we're both here.
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We're both trying to communicate, see if we can get on whatever.
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So just, you know, just just just be chill, you know, what do you guys look for?
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I feel like I look for someone who will provide me with emotional support and someone who's supportive, someone who does work.
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I mean, I don't want to be someone who hasn't got a job and has no money.
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You don't have to be the richest guy in the world for me personally, as long as you've got some sort of income coming in that can support himself and me.
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Once in a while, you know, it doesn't have to be a thing where he's taking care of me because, you know, I do make my own money.
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But it's just always good to have a man that who has his own money and he can take care of the both of you as well.
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I'm not going to say what I look for because I already have a boyfriend.
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You know, he's ambitious, he's intellectual, he's successful, he looks after me.
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And that's what I think a man's supposed to make you do.
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I feel like everybody has someone out there for them.
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And that's what I believe because I found mine.
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You think everyone is someone out there for them?
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I feel like a lot of people would say my list is very, very, very, very picky.
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How can everyone have someone out there for them when there's more women than men?
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Even if you just look at the population, there's 55% women, 45% men.
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I feel like some women then choose to just settle for anything.
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When you take out the percentage that don't want men and don't want to have a family.
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But then there's also guys that don't want girls, right?
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But I definitely feel like if you're on here and if you're on this earth,
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What if you think you deserve someone that's 6'5", makes $250,000 a year?
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He might not give you 250, but he might give you 200.
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And baby, you're going to settle if that's what you want.
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Like, there's different attributes when it comes to people.
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Yeah, but he might not be, you might want like 250 in regards to money.
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So, you know, it's going to accommodate the 50K less than what he initially owes,
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So then you do have to settle in some way, don't you think?
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Yeah, but it just depends on how much you settle.
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Why don't you guys women always talk about we can't settle instead of maybe we should bring more?
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Like, because I always hear like, and again, I do these panels so much.
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So we always, like, I always hear that we can't settle,
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but we never talk about like bringing more to the table for men.
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So like getting in better shape, you know, learning how to cook,
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learning how to clean, like offering more as a way.
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No, but me personally, that's why I feel like I'm allowed to have such high requirements
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Why do you think women in general don't talk about self-improvement
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I feel like, again, a woman's going to hold a home and be all kids.
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So they feel like they have the, I can look, or I can be a particular way.
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But I feel like that's how society has created women.
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Well, in society, sorry, in society in general, women are put on a pedestal, aren't they?
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So I think there's a general, not every single woman,
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but I think there's a general perception of like, well, I'm the girl,
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But I feel like some men want different things as well.
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Not every guy wants, not every guy minds having a girl that cooks,
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that does this, because some men do it themselves.
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but I think that like, most men want a woman that has some degree of femininity,
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where they feel like they're taken care of, taken care of.
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And I think it's, sadly, it's a little bit of a lost art in the West,
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But one thing you guys didn't mention was physique.
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Because there's this classic thing, is there 666 women look for six pack?
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So, sorry, six figures, six foot tall, six pack abs.
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Not that he's a huge person, but like, he doesn't have to have six packs.
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He can be chubby, like, he can be XXL, like, I don't mind.
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Yes, but not like, 30 degrees, not like, obsessed.
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I like, when I wear heels, can you please still look a bit taller than me?
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Um, and by that, I don't mean that he has to, um, you know, have like the rock hard abs
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No, but, um, for me, I feel like it does come down to health as well.
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Like, it's not just about the way the person looks, but if they're healthy with it, but
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someone can be big and they can also be healthy.
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So it just depends on obviously how they are and how they decide to live.
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Would you be okay with a guy that was bigger than you?
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No, um, no, because I'm actually in the process of losing weight.
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So how, how big about would you want him to be?
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Um, we can say about, um, I'm going to say around 150.
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No, I was just going to say for, it's interesting because a lot of guys out there become, you
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know, just, just gym addicts because they think that that's the answer.
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You think if I, I'm just going to get massively ripped and then women are just going to flock
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And it's kind of interesting that pretty much everyone's response was actually, that's not
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Cause I, I mean, look, I mean, I think we should all be going to the gym.
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I think, I think that's, you know, taking care of yourself, exactly, exactly, exactly.
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But I think it's just interesting for any guys watching this, the, this idea that you
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have to, you know, look like the rock in order to, you know, get female attention does
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I'm actually curious, um, what would you guys take a guy that's funny or a guy with a really
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Are they just saying that to virtue signal to look good on us?
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No, cause why would you want someone that's super ripped, but they're so serious all the
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Cause like, you know, in London, they've got that magic mic or whatever it is.
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You know, that the thing that Channing Tatum was in and there's a picture of those guys,
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I mean, girls often when they go to that, they'll say, Oh, it's just a laugh.
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It's just me and my mates, you know, but is it really, or is it just like the girls who
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They're just like these, you know, they're like, is it a serious turn on or not?
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And if it's not, then why are you guys all saying body, body's not that important?
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Oh, I was just going to say, I've never been, but I know what you're talking about.
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Like, I feel like I've heard guys say this before.
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Like, Oh, she got the nicest bum, but like, no, it's not for me.
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Like, it's just nice to look at, you know, guys that are ripped, that have six pack, that
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are dancing, that are moving sexy, but I don't have to be with a guy like that.
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So there's this whole, this whole movement online of these guys, these black pill guys,
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and they, their belief is that the only thing that matters is looks.
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And if you haven't got looks, then you're, that's it, out of the equation.
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I feel like you must be attracted to someone to even initiate a conversation with someone.
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I don't think you're going to initiate a conversation with someone that you don't find attractive.
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Because if you're talking to a brick wall, I'm pretty sure you're not going to engage in
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Is there a guy that you can think of, we could put on screen that we could ask them
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I don't know if there's someone you could think of.
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What, you mean who's good looking or who isn't good looking?
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Like just to see if they date him if he was funny.
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No, there's literally like, I'm not being funny, but like Jay Huss, for example, he's not the,
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he calls himself ugly, but like he's got a funny, Jay Huss.
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I would speak to him, not just because he's an artist and he has lots of money, but he's
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What about, there's a blogger, a podcaster called James Altucher.
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He's got a really good podcast, like more of an audio podcast than this.
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I think he looks like he would have a funny personality though.
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Can you get a younger picture of him as well, please?
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But look, guys, he's got a really good podcast.
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So his podcast, right, he talks about success and he interviews like all different people,
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sports personalities, finance people, you know, movie stars and stuff like that.
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He's very funny, very intelligent, and he made a load of money.
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That just goes to show that looks does play a part as well, apart from being funny.
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Like, London girls seem to be more looks-based.
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Looks definitely does play a part because, I'm sorry, I'm just not going to go for someone
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Have any of you dated a guy that makes $40,000 a year?
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Have you guys, because you all said around 40, not you, but everyone else said that.
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Everyone else said around 40,000 pounds is what you would date.
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I mean, because you can kind of tell by someone's lifestyle.
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No, because when you're self-employed, it's difficult.
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Not every year, you're going to have the same amount of income.
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I never, I'm always confused about this, because I never know when the money thing really comes
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So, when we're teaching guys, you know, right, this is, go and talk to these girls.
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We would encourage them to not lead with money, even if they're rich.
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You know, we were teaching a guy in Colombia, Bogota, Colombia, and he was like a multi-multi-millionaire.
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And we were saying to him, like, don't brag about that.
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Like, keep that quiet, especially at the beginning, because you don't want to attract gold diggers.
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And also, it can look try hard, kind of like, hey, babe, you know, look, you know, I'm making this amount of cash or whatever.
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Like, for me personally, dating in London, it never comes up.
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They might get, you know, kind of like, oh, they've got a kind of a sense of, from my lifestyle, like, you know, what I might be making.
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And it's never been a topic of conversation, because I think the attraction should come from something else.
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I feel like, me personally, I wouldn't ask a guy how much they're making.
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But I would judge their, um, judge how much they're making by their lifestyle, like you mentioned.
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And, I mean, I feel like, it depends if you're comfortable with the guy.
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Not everyone would just go out there and ask a guy, oh, how much do you make?
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I think there are some women that do, but like, like that woman that James Tusk met, but maybe it's more of a, I mean, you've got to be pretty bold.
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Yeah, I don't feel like a woman in the UK would ever form her lips to say, how much are you making?
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I do think that, um, women in the UK, we don't judge them by how much they're making.
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And if they're saying, oh, like, you know, I'm a cleaner, okay, cool.
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Like, I know you're not making the money that I want.
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If you're saying that, you know, you're, I don't know, like an inspector or you work in real estate or something like that, you're like, oh, okay.
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I think what, well, we, we encourage guys to, to try to generate attraction through other means.
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The attraction is created between, you know, the chemistry between the man and the woman.
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And look, I mean, guys can, you know, they can, they can meet women like that.
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They can have a, you know, they can get together with them, have one night stands, maybe friends with benefits or something.
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Whether it, whether that leads on to something more is maybe another question though, because if the woman is looking for a certain lifestyle and the dude just, you know, hasn't got the cash for that, then that is going to become a problem.
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But I think create, I think the attraction should just for any, again, any guys watching this, I think the attraction should be generated through something else in the first instance.
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