She Got OFFENDED When She Said This: Fat Women Are Not RESPONSIBLE
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In this episode of Thick Privilege, we discuss the controversial topic of thin privilege and how it relates to Adele and her weight loss journey. We also talk about the importance of eating healthily and why it's not always a choice.
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It was men had really high standards. They wouldn't swipe right 50% of the time on dating apps.
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But also, when you look at ethnic cultures, like Chinese, African, or anything like that,
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it's always the mums telling the daughters, oh, you're putting on weight, you need to lose weight.
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So it's not that that's, it doesn't tend to be a dad.
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Sorry, but again, I said before that there's certain things that we know are objective truths
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and those women know that the objective truth is that men tend to like slimmer women.
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They tend to. And so if you're going to make yourself more of a desirable female for men,
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then yes, they are going to tell you, you need to lose weight.
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Can I quickly dial back to thin privilege? Just something I've been thinking about.
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So for anyone who doesn't agree that thin privilege is a thing,
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what do you think about how people perceive Adele, how she, her weight before to her weight now?
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Like, so is she not perceived in a different way? Is she not treated differently?
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But then it's not privileged though. It's more like she's being treated like,
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it's, it's, it's like, that's, it's the norm, right?
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Even while she had a lot of weight on the, you know, the body positivity,
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positivity movement was in there trying, like propping her up and everybody, you know,
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body positivity movement's been around since like 2012.
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But 2012 or anything is a, is a, is a long time to be honest. But, um, so she's lost weight now
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and people are praising her, but she was also getting a lot of hate from a lot of the people
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in the body positivity movement who were, who looked at her and saw that, okay,
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maybe the message she's trying to send to other women is not, um, uh, a good one in that she's
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losing weight. It's like that whole movement. It's, it's just an agenda. Like, it's like,
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why not see that this person has worked in the gym, eating, eating healthy to lose weight,
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to make herself look more attractive and even to make herself look healthier. Right.
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Wouldn't it be more positive to say that that it would have been like, that's the positive
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aspect of her losing weight. Right. Rather than looking at it and saying, okay, she's lost weight.
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Now a lot of these girls are going to want to lose weight as well. Like what's wrong with,
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but also, sorry to interrupt. I thought the body positivity, um, movement, um, on the basis of it
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was the acceptance of all body types. Yeah, but you can't force people to like you.
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Yeah, but why, why should we accept all body types? Because it's unhealthy.
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Yeah, but sometimes it's not a choice. It's not as simple as that.
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What do you mean? It is a choice. No, no, no, no, no. It's not always a choice.
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Um, sorry, say that again. I said, it's not always a choice.
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It's not a choice what you put in your mouth. Look at pictures from the 1950s, 1940s, 1930s, 1920s.
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Girls did not look like this. What's the difference? It's eating.
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In countries where there's famine, in countries where there's famine, do you see people morbidly obese?
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Okay, I think we're being extreme. No, no, no, no. It's a good question. It's a good question.
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Because, no, no, do you know why I'm asking? Because if it was something that comes about,
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it just happens, I didn't choose to gain this weight. You would see it in countries where people
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don't have food, yet you don't. So what does that say?
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Okay, and that's a fair enough point. I do feel like we're being a little extreme because
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girls can, I can put on weight if I just decide to change my contraception.
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Yes, but however, however, however, however, not even just that, not just that.
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Let's say you couldn't, you couldn't, um, choose. You have to take it.
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Usually, if you're taking less calories, then you're, um, sorry, if you're taking less,
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if you're burning less, uh, more calories than you're taking in, you will lose weight.
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So that just means that you're, you're not, um.
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But I think the issue, what I, the issue that I'm having with what you're saying is that
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you're making it heavily seem like it's a choice. You're, you're fat because you want to be.
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You might not want to be, but it's a consequence of your actions.
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Yeah, like, how is it not a consequence of your actions?
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Just quickly, I, I suffered from an eating disorder for many years.
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So when I went into an eating disorder clinic, that was, I was surrounded by people who not
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only suffered from anorexia, bulimia, but also binge eating disorder.
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And I can tell you for a fact that is not choice.
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But we're not talking about that. We're talking about people that are obese.
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Yeah, no, I'm talking about people who are obese.
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But if you look at them, you don't know what is happening behind the scenes.
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And that is, you can't be obese and have an eating disorder.
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Yeah, yeah, you are eating, but it's emotional eating.
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Okay, okay, fine, fine, fine. You can say they eat too much.
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Yeah, but if you go into mental health, it's emotional eating.
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Do you think that 80% of people, sorry, do you think that 80% of people in America have a binge eating disorder then?
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I do think that probably the percentage of people in America with binge eating disorder is a lot higher than in the UK.
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I'm not saying 80% of people in the USA do, but I suspect a lot more people in the USA, if you look at statistics, maybe let's look at some statistics, probably a lot more people in the US do than in the UK.
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So out of the ages of 24 to 25 to 34, 23% in the UK are obese, 35% are overweight, and 42% are normal.
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And it's so small, the underweight category, that I can't even see it.
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But you can equally have people who are of a healthy BMI that actually have a very unhealthy relationship with food.
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So, I mean, you can have a good BMI and eat bad foods, yes.
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We're trying to make excuses for people not eating right.
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I don't think it's excuses, but I just, I can't, I don't think I can agree how heavily we're putting it on the fact that it's a choice.
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Like, honestly, anytime a man has a standard, we shame them for it and take accountability away from women.
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No, and this is, this is, I'm not saying specifically you, right?
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But I'm saying in general, like, the men say they want thin girls or in-shape girls.
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There's no, but I'm saying there's no, there's no broke man positivity.
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Like, we take away accountability from women's poor choices.
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And even now, like, when we're talking about, hey, it's a choice if you eat too much and you gain weight.
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It's like we're taking accountability away from the women by saying it's not a choice.
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If, I'm, I was born six foot, so I'm, I'm happy, I'm good, but.
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But if I wasn't, if I was born, if I was meant to be five foot, there is no one here that would say to me,
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You're like, there's some people, for example, who might emotionally eat.
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So, we can say, we understand why they made the decisions they did in those moments.
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So, it's not saying that we can't have compassion for why they made those choices.
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But at the end of the day, they did make those choices.
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No one is saying that they're not worthy of love.
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Or worthy of certain privileges that maybe a thinner woman would be a fool.
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When it comes to thin privilege, I think it actually comes down to beauty or attractive privilege.
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Because chances are, most people will probably find you more attractive if you're on the slimmer
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So, you think it's a thing of attractiveness and pretty privilege?
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Well, being thin or being slim is a contributing factor to how attractive some people find
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So, pick a celebrity that you would say, a female celebrity that you would say you're
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It's affected every part of her from her knees, hairs, face, everything.
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Would that suddenly change your level of attraction to her?
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He's like, what would you rate him out of 10, physically?
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That's the most controversial thing you've said.
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Are you telling me, yeah, if you became obese, yeah, you would still rate him an eight physically?
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Are you saying your attraction to him would be the same?
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So him working hard to be in shape for you is nothing?
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So the one who has the highest standard, yeah, is the one that's saying if they were fat,
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The thing is, the thing is, I just think a lot of times we lied to like to women that
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are overweight and say, oh, you're still worthy of love, right?
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Because it's not, it's not that I say like nobody will love you.
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But the guys that you want, aren't going to be interested in you because even bigger
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I mean, no, I think, I think let's get them the best results.
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I'm not saying everyone, but like, but like she could possibly get the results that she
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Or we could lie to her and say, you're beautiful at any size.
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Guys will still be interested, but maybe some, but.
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But it's like, know it, own it and be okay with the limitations.
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I don't like telling girls things that aren't true.
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So saying like guys will still love you at any size.
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The guys, the guys that you don't want will want you.
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So you can, a guy, any guy that gets a lot of money has a pretty model on his side.
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Or maybe, maybe she might not be a model, but she's in, she's attractive, right?
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You don't see any billionaires with obese whale wives.
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So that's, that's, that's, it's not because, because a lot of times, but we're talking about
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You might find a one-off and usually with the, if the rich guy does have a bigger, a
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bigger girl with him, she got him young and she gave him that loyalty young and maybe she
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We're not just, you know, making blank statements, we're talking about observable reality.
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We're not saying that women who are bigger cannot find love.
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However, as a result of the fact that you're fat, you're bigger, your pool of men is become
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But where I have an issue, I'm really not denying that.
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But where I have an issue is pushing any narrative that makes it seem that they're not deserving
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I'm saying you're not deserving if you're obese.
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You don't deserve a guy that makes six figures if you're obese.
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Why are we entitled to a man's time, affection, and money?
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So what I'm saying is that you were not entitled.
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Like, so I'm not going to go to a broke guy and say, oh, you deserve love.
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And so with the girls, I'm not going to say, oh, you deserve love.
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It's very similar because men and women are valued for different things.
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And so I wouldn't say unfortunately because it's a lot easier for a girl to just be thin and
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So what if he has money and money is very much money is money.
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I would say it's much harder to get money than to stay in shape.
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So if a guy wants to make 120 pounds, right, a year, I think that's much harder than losing
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And so what I don't like is lying to women and we coddle them from bad decisions and we
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take all the accountability off of them and keep allowing them to make bad decisions instead
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of, instead of telling them the truth and saying, Hey, if you want this guy, this is
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But it's not a lie to tell a bigger woman that she's beautiful.
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It is because most of society doesn't see her as beautiful.
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And so you could say, Oh, F beauty standards, but we know they exist.
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You, you, you guys know, you guys know deep down when you walk into a room, you, you know,
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And so you, you know who it is, but that doesn't mean that the bigger girls are not beautiful.
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I think what we're saying is that it's, it's in the observable reality.
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But Pearl's not saying that she's, if I'm wrong, correct me.
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I really feel like she's saying, Oh no, no, no, honey.
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You, especially in the dating marketplace, you get what you deserve.
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So if you are not, so if there is some, if there's somebody, if you are wanting, if a man
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is wanting a certain kind of woman and he is not attracting her, then he probably hasn't
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done the work and done the things where he deserves that woman.
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Who is deserving of love is every single human being just for being born innately.
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No, no, but what I'm trying to say is love is, love is very broad, right?
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I think nobody is entitled to be chosen by anyone else in the world.
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But I have an entitlement in this world as a human being to be loved.
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But what if you're not, what if you're not lovable?
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Okay, maybe at least I say innately as in your born.
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I think every child deserves to be loved, but some adults are shitty people.
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I would actually talk to the parent because I think it's child abuse if you're making...
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Yeah, no, I'm serious because that's the biggest disadvantage you can put your kid at.
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So if you have an eight-year-old that's obese, I'm talking to the parent.
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So I think the main issue we have here is what we see over and over again is people
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who are obese, fat, out of shape, trying to shame men into liking them.
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So let's say if I was with someone right now, I mean, we're not dating her.
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I wouldn't be trying to put her down or anything, right?
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I would never have an issue, like an ounce of any issue with her, right?
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But where I might start to develop issues is maybe when she starts to tell me, like,
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You're, you know, you're friendly, you know, all that stuff.
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But just on an attraction level, it's just not there.
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But when you start to try and shame me into wanting you, like, into being attracted to
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Yeah, I feel like for you not, it's just childish.
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It's your, you can't negotiate what you're attracted to and who you're attracted to.
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So you wouldn't say a woman solely because, I don't even necessarily agree with you.
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But on the flip side, on the flip side, if you went to a man and he wasn't making the
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money that you wanted him to make, you wouldn't give him the time of day.
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You wouldn't give him the chance to, can I, can I say something?
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You would date him and hope he gets a job, but at some point, if he doesn't get a job
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or start making the money you want him to make, you're gone.
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You're only going to, you're only going to put up with that for so long.
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Are you going to marry a bum the rest of your life?
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Jess is two different things when it comes to a size of a woman and how much money a man
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But that's what men value is how a woman looks.
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And women value how much a man makes because it's innate in us for a man, for someone to
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be able to provide for us at the end of the day, no matter how much money we have.
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And so it's a harsh reality to understand, like men look at looks, they don't care how
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They don't care where we are at in the totem pole with finances, but they want to be able
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to look at us and be like, they're presentable.
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And as women, we want to be able to look at our man and be like, maybe, yeah, we're attracted
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If anything happens, he can provide for me and our family.
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But also on top of that, sorry, on top of that, you mentioned that, you know, would
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you not date a woman solely on the fact that she's bigger?
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The thing is, I'm not saying that no man should date a woman that's big.
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However, for me personally, I would not date a woman that's big because it's not conducive
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Because inherently, if you are bigger, that means there are certain things you haven't
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You know, it means, unfortunately, it means you haven't worked out in a gym.
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It means you haven't watched what you're eating because there is no, as I said, you
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cannot go to a country with famine and see fat people that you won't.
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So for me, for the woman that's going to raise my children, I don't want her to, you
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know, teach them that you should just give into your inhibitions and, you know, just lack
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discipline because it takes discipline to not get fat.
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Because if she's overweight, like that's one area of her life, she doesn't have discipline.
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It's typically, if you don't have discipline in one area, it trickles down into other areas.
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The same way if a guy goes to a job and he's a bum, that trickles into other areas of his
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So with her, she might not be good at spending either.
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