She Got TRIGGERED She Heard This
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In this episode, we discuss the new term we have in 2022, "Worldwide fat phobia" and what it means to be fat in the 21st century. We also discuss the concept of thin privilege and whether or not there is such a thing as a thin privilege.
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calling and on the thumbnail it says leave the whales so um i actually would like to show you
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guys a tick tock about this new term we have in 2022 that is you know worldwide fat phobia
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so ish why don't you show them the tick tock we're gonna watch
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cool cool we'll do okay hold on i'm gonna show you guys too don't worry
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yeah it should it should say like something like thin privilege
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did you plug it into the right did you plug it into the mic or the headphone jack
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plugged it into the the headphone jack yeah what's the issue it's not coming up with the option
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i have so many good questions honestly i can't wait for this
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this is your friendly reminder that the privilege is real and i know because i have it let's break it
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down i've never been marginalized because of my size never been told my bmi is too high for a
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procedure i've never had anybody look at me funny when i sit next to them on an airplane or any other
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public transportation boys been able to comfortably sit at seats at restaurants or in theaters every
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time i walk into a clothing store i assume they have my size never gone to a doctor and had them
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blame everything on the size of my body no one has ever said to me you shouldn't eat that
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more often i hear i wish i could eat that i felt like i didn't get a job because of how i looked
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or the size of my body never had anybody make fun of me for removing my body and there's a feel
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good and intersectionality here is key the roots of fat phobia are inherently racist so this work
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isn't just about you or me it's a movement around dismantling diet culture and races so we can all
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experience true freedom so thank you for being here don't just follow people who look like me come up with your
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favorite fat bi-block creators this is your friendly reminder that the privilege is real and i know
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i think we're good okay we're back okay so my question is do you think that thin privilege is
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a real thing go around no it's not a real thing all the things she listed as thin privilege they're
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just things that come with the fact that you're thin it's not necessarily a privilege if you're fat of
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course you know there's certain health um complications that are going to come so of
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course doctors are going to blame anything on that your bmi is going to be over 30 so that's not a
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thing that you don't get because you're you've got thin privilege it's just a fact is is there an echo
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there's the comments are saying there's an echo i think there was an echo on the oh on the video
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okay okay that's fine then um what do you think yeah i don't i want to say there's anything such as
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uh thin privilege but there are as you said uh ways people address you speak to you when you're
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when you look maybe extremely different okay like when you have a certain size on an airplane you know
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as she was saying um but yeah it's it's not necessarily a privilege it's just i think society
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letting you know um when you're too big you know that's not the way to go i just think that's what it is
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um i disagree i do think there is such a thing as thin privilege because it's not just about the
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extremes of being particularly large you can be still like a relatively healthy weight but
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like slightly bigger and you will definitely be treated differently like i i know of people who are
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maybe like a size 14 16 and a friend of mine like returned an item and the person who was serving her
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said well i think this might not have been your size like you're bigger than that was she
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no she just was returning it because she didn't like the item and and to say it was a poor fit that
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doesn't necessarily mean that you don't fit into that size but as i'm sure we've probably all experienced
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everywhere that you shop and every garment that you buy is a is a completely different size like every
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retailer works to a different um that's true sizing profile so that is an example to me of of
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thin privilege but if i go to a shop and i buy a shirt and my friends tell me oh that looks too small
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on you you should have got a different size like what what does that mean it doesn't mean that you know
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no that's different it just means that people are saying it doesn't it doesn't fit you or it might not
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fit you in this particular circumstance that was a sales advisor saying that to somebody who's
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returning an item that's different to trying something on and your friends saying oh that's
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a bit tight on you but it just it's just advice isn't it right that might be too small for you
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she's just trying to help help out yeah it is their job i've been a sales assistant you know you kind
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of have to tell people does this fit you does this look good on you so fair enough she was returning
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it and as a salesperson she was probably trying to convince her to get a different size oh maybe you
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might like it then i don't think it's anything to do with oh that's fat phobia because it's just it
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could just be a fact that it might look better on you if you try a different size because when i hear
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the word privilege i think of something that like you're born with but but yeah like yeah like like
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because one one thing that i often hear is white privilege right and so that's something that's
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something you're born with right but but fat privilege or fat or thin privilege is a choice
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thin privilege isn't a thing if i'm if i that's my opinion i don't think it's a thing i think we
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need to look at the root you know definition of the word privilege when i think of privilege i think
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something or um a treatment you are afforded um because of a specific attribute that you possess
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so i don't necessarily believe it has to be something that you're um born with i think there's
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the context is we began to use the word privilege like white privilege and thin privilege and things
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like that it gives the impression that it's something that you're born with and can't change
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but we have to look at the root definition of privilege and i think that's what it is things
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that you're afforded because of a certain characteristic or maybe not even a characteristic
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a factor that you possess whether subconsciously or consciously thin privilege is not a thing i don't
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think it's a thing i don't think it's anything or i think especially going back to that tick
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talk a lot of the things that she said that she doesn't experience because of the nature of
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the body shape that she has are just standard things are just standard things i don't think
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thing privilege is a thing i think if we look at the other end of the extreme
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you know like bigger people that's when we can start maybe using some of those words but
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i don't think thing is a thing i'm borderline thin in certain
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say cultures or beauty standards and i don't think it affords me anything more in my
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daily life i don't think yeah so pretty privilege is a yeah that's what i was gonna say i would say
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pretty privilege is a thing i mean even though it's yeah yeah even the comments there they're
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talking about you i think privilege how i would define privilege is an unearned advantage for
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preferable treatment so like so white privilege yeah you're born with that so it's kind of like
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the the prefer the preferable treatment you get is an unearned advantage because you haven't worked for
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that preferable treatment right but thin privilege if you're slim that's you've earned that so it's not
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it's not privilege um because if you're you you you ate less than other women maybe attained is the
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right word i was going to say i do disagree with your definition of privilege just because you know
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if you're rich there's certain preferential treatment you get from people but you worked
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hard to become rich yes and so that thing is rich privilege though i think there is yes
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there's certain things afforded to you because you are rich people who work differently because
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you are rich that's true so you know it's privilege it's yeah it's if anything money's the equalizer
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so i was asking would you who would you say somebody is more privileged if they started from nothing
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and became rich or somebody inherited that richness i don't think there's any because i could be born
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poor and then become a billionaire i'll be very privileged so i don't think it has anything to do with
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that i would say i changed my stance there might be such a thing as thing privilege but i don't think
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it's a bad thing can i ask what made you change your stance because i'm thinking about it you know
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based on the definition initially i was thinking of definition privilege as something that you
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character that you're characterized as inherently and it gives you an advantage in life but then now
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i'm thinking of you know you can work hard and become rich and become privileged because of it
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so i don't think it's necessarily something that's inherent to you when i hear privilege i just think
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of something you're like born like when i hear rich privilege i don't think of someone that was
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broke and became rich i think of someone that was born rich i get what you're saying i get that but
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i think it does being rich does give you a certain privilege but no matter how hard you worked for it
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but when you say privilege like i think of something you didn't earn yeah what's the what's the difference
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between gaining privilege because you got to a certain position and then gaining the perks that come
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with that position sorry can you could you rephrase that so what's what's the difference
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right so like for example like if you say for example oh um you you become the i don't know let's
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say you become a pilot right which means that part of your privilege as a pilot is you don't have to
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go through security when you travel right is that a privilege or is that a perk that you gained from
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gaining that position oh i see the difference because if you think it's a perk you can kind of say that being
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fat is a privilege now because of as a fat person you get a privilege of calling people fat phobic
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for privilege i think it is you have to call people fat phobic for no one to today yeah but yeah yeah
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and you get to one at a time guys glorify one at a time guys i think he's right about that because in
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certain ways being um a marginalized group can be an advantage right in these days in this current um
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you know yeah but being kind of the context we're speaking about is um you know sort of weight what
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that let's iron that out okay i'll give it i'll give you an example i'll give you an example
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can message someone like chris evans knowing fully well everyone knows she has no chance
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with him but she can message him why does he have no chance with him why would she why is
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she messaging chris evans why would she but this is what i'm saying like
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liz is an exception to the rule but even wait wait listen to i'm saying sorry um liz okay message
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someone like chris evans okay even though most people objectively know that she doesn't have a
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chance with him and he still has to respond nicely because she's big right when people are asking him
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questions um questions about it in tabloids however on the other let's say roles are reversed and chris
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evans was a really fat man and or really short and he messaged someone who was extremely good looking
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like rihanna people be like why is this guy in her dms like that i think that's i don't think that's
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to do with her being fat i just think that's man and woman man how do you mean though you can't
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equate that because yeah the other what i would say is equal to that is rick ross messaging rihanna
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but he was different exactly the same way liz is gone without rich it's a different ball game
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exactly it's a it's an exception to the rule yeah hence why lizzo being fat and rich and got clout
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is an exception but women get privilege being fat oh my god you just gotta no no no i'm gonna i'm
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gonna show you guys some tick tocks all you gotta do is shake your roles and get a freaking following
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yeah like that's because they're breaking from the mold they're doing something that is actually kind
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of risque wow that's so brave take off my clothes and show my role it's more like shoehorning i think
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though maybe not maybe okay maybe not brave that sounds quite i don't know assertive but in a way
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because it's the european beauty standards they are kind of in a way doing a level of bravery by
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showing look at me i look like what the world doesn't want me to look like essentially so is that
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a privilege sort of like you get you get you get a reward for being ugly this whole thing i think is
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more of of um i think it's more like when the social constructionists try to because okay so there
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are people who believe that what people like is being taught to them or being told to them like people are
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told what what this is beautiful this is not beautiful right so i think those same people
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um in the let's say the fat positivity uh movement they're trying to that's their their basic belief
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so that they're they're trying to uh create this new form of beauty whereas that's not how in reality
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that's not how we look at things like we instinctively we know what's beautiful and what's not right also
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why doesn't it extend to men like short men or absolutely yeah yeah where's the where's the
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broke man positivity no you will you will never ever one at a time guys one at a time sorry i don't
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hear anyone shouting that oh yeah we we want men with small dicks or anything you're never gonna
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i don't hear anyone saying that so why why is i not part of body positive body positivity and it
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wouldn't be a good thing if that existed i'm not saying it should be good and i'm not saying that it
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should be there but let's not pretend that there's not objective truths in the world and objectively
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certain things aren't seen as attractive yet and other things are it's a fact so when you try to
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to push the narrative of body positivity it should go both ways and always not just the one that suits
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you yeah so i have a question what what would you say are you european beauty standards and who is the
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celebrity that you think of when you think of european yeah go ahead robbie so what's walking
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slim thick not even necessarily thin i think that the beauty standard yeah slim thick she got tiny
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waist perky breasts but she's bottom heavy okay um little cute button nose um fair skin type i'm
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talking to basically sort of within my culture basically is what i'm describing um and yeah sort of
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like really exotic mysterious sort of like features i would say that's the standard and if we're really
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honing in on the body though slim thick back in the day it would have been like yeah just thin
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just thin is the basis of it but i think nowadays you got you know kim kardashian and that whole
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movement and like kim kardashian isn't your she's armenian she is armenian but i do think
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it's a whole other conversation yeah i do think her family and the the narrative that they've pushed
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on certain things in terms of beauty and body shape i think has hands down had an impact on culture
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and body shape and things like that especially within the black community i can say that i'm gonna die
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on that hill because that's just true but i think that that is the european beauty standards what
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i've just described um but it's just it's just interesting because when like based on what
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you're describing you're like you're describing one person and then you use kim kardashian as an
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example and i don't feel like that was who you were describing yeah because i think people are going
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for the kim k look at the moment like a toothpick ridiculous booty you're you got two tiny thighs
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no exactly what i described slim thick is a woman who is is slim like slim sort of waist is what i'm
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trying to get to to be right slim waist perky breast and bottom heavy that's why i say slim thick she's
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thin and i think it's the european standard is more blonde hair blue eyes yeah yeah i'm not talking about
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european that's just what you said earlier oh yeah yeah blue eyes and you know i mean blue eyes blonde hair
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obviously would be the european standard but in terms of like standing like would you say that i
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don't think that's the only standard like i i personally don't think there is one standard
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because there are a wide range of women who are beautiful like like there is a limit like there's
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there's too skinny and then there's there's too fat there is there's there's a there's a large section
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in the middle where there's all sorts of beautiful body type so like yeah adam lee there is one beauty
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standard like remember we're talking about the european standard so if we looked at the catwalk
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what is in europe what do they look at as the standard of beauty that's weird i will say when
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you look at the catwalk you know what people actually go for tends to be different to that
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so you know yes catwalk when it comes it's a business they they go for a specific type of look
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it doesn't mean that generally in the wide population that that's accepted as what's paying what's nice
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i think that women put beauty standards on each other more than men do i don't think men are that picky
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with each other yeah like i think women women put beauty standards on each other and are more
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critical of each other than men are but paul you know i believe that it's men that taught us to do
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that right i'll tell you i'll tell you why because you're not correct okay no because because men men
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swipe right on dating apps 50 of the time meaning 50 of women they swipe right on so they're not that
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picky yeah no that's what i'm saying women swipe right five percent of the time of course right that's
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that's the whole point is men aren't that picky most guys don't even need a girl that's like super
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thin she's just got to have a booty but and they're chilling you're saying you're you're saying
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that men yeah to women right to put high standards on other women yeah i know consciously
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but i'm saying the data indicates that men aren't that picky because if as many of you know i was just
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