JustPearlyThings - April 03, 2023


She refused to listen to aunty Jenny


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In this episode, we discuss the topic of transgender people in the public eye and how they should be treated and dealt with in our society. We also discuss the issue of transgender children being taken away from public school because of their gender identity.

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00:00:00.000 Okay, did you say you had something to say about modern women or modern women masculine?
00:00:05.440 No, she just wanted to talk about it.
00:00:06.900 I do want to go back to something that you did say earlier about being religious and growing up in the church.
00:00:14.100 I've grown up in the church even before I was born, and I've heard everything from the front of the Bible to the back of the Bible.
00:00:19.880 And I believe the same as you probably growing up.
00:00:23.200 And I don't think it's closed-minded to have a truth because if you, correct me if I'm wrong,
00:00:28.900 if you stand for everything, you'll fall for nothing.
00:00:31.600 Or is that how, is it flip-flopped?
00:00:33.120 Yeah, if you stand for something or you fall for everything.
00:00:37.120 Is that how, it's something.
00:00:38.800 If you essentially are like, oh, free will for everything, essentially you don't have anything to stand on.
00:00:47.660 And I have people who are in the front of the LGBTQ plus whatever community to the back of it.
00:00:55.840 And I don't think it's closed-minded to have an opinion.
00:01:00.300 You can be open-minded, you can hear them, listen to them, but you don't have to essentially take in their truth.
00:01:05.400 You can still believe what you want to believe and stand on what you want to believe and still treat them,
00:01:10.400 respect them as humans, but you don't have to take it like, okay, you said that that's your truth,
00:01:14.580 you said that that's you, I have to believe that as well.
00:01:17.260 No, you can still have your own beliefs and they can still have their own beliefs
00:01:19.940 and everybody can still coexist and live.
00:01:22.620 But the thing is that we were saying, well, just the topic is that it feels like they're pushing it on us.
00:01:31.120 It's the same as someone was trying to shove a religion down.
00:01:34.020 Everybody's just like, no, I said you have to follow this.
00:01:36.540 You have to do this.
00:01:37.760 It's essentially like that.
00:01:39.240 I say I'm this.
00:01:40.540 If you do not say that I am this, you're getting fired.
00:01:43.640 Your kids are getting taken away.
00:01:44.900 There's so much, much more repercussion that comes with it just because you say their identity wrong.
00:01:52.800 How many people have gotten your name wrong in life?
00:01:55.800 Yeah.
00:01:56.640 That's essentially, that's what you identify as is your name.
00:02:02.400 It's part of you.
00:02:03.060 And if someone gets it wrong, you're like, how dare you get them police officer.
00:02:08.000 It's, it's kind of crazy to think of it like that.
00:02:10.480 Because what I wanted to say was earlier when I was saying about if you had a child and your child decided they want to change gender while they're at school.
00:02:22.940 If everybody had your mindset and things moving forward, how would you feel if your child got taken away from you, if you wouldn't let it go to school wearing a dress?
00:02:34.060 Because with that mindset, they will say that you don't understand, you're not listening and you're abusing that child because you won't let that child be what he wants to be.
00:02:44.000 And that's how far, you know, that's where it's going.
00:02:47.820 It's already happening.
00:02:49.060 See, I have a problem with that.
00:02:50.460 I'm not going to lie because I do think as much as we want to accommodate how they feel and understand them.
00:02:56.760 We don't want to accommodate.
00:02:57.580 We can't be punishing people because it's going to take a long time to understand.
00:03:02.060 Even I'm yet still understanding things like me.
00:03:05.440 I just, all I want to do is listen.
00:03:07.440 That's all I want to do.
00:03:08.460 I believe in equality for everybody.
00:03:10.800 Like you saying about standing for something or you fall for anything.
00:03:15.480 That is what I stand for.
00:03:16.960 Equality.
00:03:17.600 Equality is not about just my equality.
00:03:20.200 It's not just because I'm a woman.
00:03:21.940 It's not just because I'm privileged and I'm amongst the majority.
00:03:26.320 It's about even when they're minorities, I want to hear you out because it's not popular to hear you out.
00:03:32.580 But let me try and understand it.
00:03:34.300 So maybe we can get to a stage where, you know what, maybe we actually fully understand this.
00:03:39.840 That's all it is for me.
00:03:41.300 So a transgender woman is the same as you.
00:03:43.580 You wouldn't have a transgender woman coming and saying, I'm the same as you. 1.00
00:03:47.780 I want all the rights as you.
00:03:49.980 I'm just the same as you.
00:03:51.380 You'd be happy about that.
00:03:53.000 On another part, what if all these officials that we have in office right now that are women making essentially the laws for the majority of women, 1.00
00:04:06.620 what if a man, transgender women, now comes in and makes these laws? 1.00
00:04:12.860 And women say, men can't speak on these things. 0.57
00:04:15.340 Men can't talk on these things.
00:04:16.340 But now you have a transgender woman, which is originally a man coming and talking. 0.99
00:04:21.360 Is that is that OK?
00:04:22.760 And I would like everybody to answer it if they can.
00:04:25.880 Would that be the same thing or would that be different?
00:04:30.700 I'm not sure I totally understand the question.
00:04:32.360 So just essentially, if a man, if a woman made a law and like, OK, women can talk about the things for women, but we say men can't talk about things for women because they're not women. 0.95
00:04:48.660 But a transgender woman comes into whatever space it is. 1.00
00:04:54.100 Are they allowed to speak on women's issues? 1.00
00:04:57.740 Oh, I have my answer to that one's easy.
00:05:00.060 I think everybody is allowed to speak and have an opinion on everything.
00:05:02.940 But what I mean, what I think just means is, all right, then say there was a club that you belong to, a high class club, but exclusively for women.
00:05:15.760 It's a secret society just for women that allow no men in. 1.00
00:05:21.680 And the transgender person comes and says, hey, well, I'm a woman now, so I've come to join.
00:05:28.500 And they have a beard and testicles.
00:05:30.540 But they identify as a woman.
00:05:34.080 Guys, you can't change my mind on this.
00:05:36.120 Like, I respect how you guys feel.
00:05:40.100 Yeah, I respect how you feel and I understand it because, like I said, that's what I grew up around.
00:05:45.100 Like, my mom would be like, that is not a man.
00:05:48.600 What I'm genuinely curious about is what was the argument that made you change your mind?
00:05:55.140 Because you're saying you all used to believe what we were saying.
00:05:58.120 Yeah.
00:05:58.520 Did Christianity hurt you?
00:05:59.640 What was the argument that changed your mind?
00:06:03.460 Probably seeing how many people were hurt by the things I used to say.
00:06:07.940 So, feelings?
00:06:08.460 Yeah, definitely.
00:06:09.440 Because we're humans and feelings does matter.
00:06:12.260 Like, how can you tell someone?
00:06:13.540 Do you think feelings matter more than the truth?
00:06:14.980 I think there's got to be a balance.
00:06:18.940 We need to try and understand something.
00:06:21.000 You can't say something is the truth when we don't really try to understand it.
00:06:24.680 Do you think it's interesting that in, I mean, I've watched the whole, I don't know if you've seen the What is a Woman documentary, but he goes and speaks to people who are considered experts in this whole field.
00:06:31.900 None of them will answer the basic question, right?
00:06:34.680 They don't provide any actual arguments, right?
00:06:38.240 Is that not telling that there's not, they won't even say what a woman is.
00:06:42.840 We saw the clip, didn't we?
00:06:44.040 We saw the clip.
00:06:44.860 If they don't know who a woman is and they're qualified, they're professionals. 0.93
00:06:48.020 That's the thing.
00:06:49.200 You can't just say things and just say it's the truth.
00:06:51.840 But if we're saying it's simple.
00:06:53.000 Everybody's truth is so different.
00:06:54.600 That's my point.
00:06:55.480 If 99% of people, the majority is not always correct, okay?
00:07:00.180 But if 99% of people accept something and say, okay, this is what it is, and it's been this way all throughout history, and it's this way throughout the entire animal kingdom, then for someone to come along and to change that, you need a bulletproof argument that is based on logic and rationality, not on random subjective feelings.
00:07:23.340 Like, that's not, that's not an argument.
00:07:25.960 Saying, saying, I feel, saying, I feel.
00:07:28.140 Hurt is a subject, it is a valid feeling.
00:07:30.340 If someone is hurt, like emotionally, like someone to the extent of cutting themselves and crying every night.
00:07:36.920 Don't get therapy.
00:07:37.280 Go get therapy.
00:07:38.340 Therapy.
00:07:38.840 Yeah, okay, they try therapy.
00:07:40.020 Carry on.
00:07:40.520 But you're in control.
00:07:42.740 You're in control of your feelings.
00:07:45.080 You're in control of how you feel.
00:07:46.980 If someone on the show wants to, you know, say mean things to me, I'm in control of how I react to it.
00:07:53.340 Like, I was in shortage the other day.
00:07:55.240 Some girl called me a slack. 0.95
00:07:56.320 I don't even know what that meant.
00:07:57.320 I knew what I was being insulted.
00:08:01.080 And then she, like, knocks the mic out of my hand and was, like, you know, getting all up in arms.
00:08:04.860 And, like, I could, you know, be hurt by that, but I'm not going to be hurt.
00:08:08.460 Like, I'm in control of my emotions.
00:08:10.360 And it's the same thing.
00:08:11.360 Like, if a grown adult, someone misgenders you, you're in control of how you react and how you feel.
00:08:15.440 Yeah.
00:08:16.060 Yeah.
00:08:16.340 Again, I'm very, very consistent with this thing.
00:08:19.260 So, I'm a Christian, right?
00:08:20.920 I believe in God.
00:08:21.520 I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God.
00:08:23.300 And, you know, I don't, I'm allowed to believe what I believe.
00:08:28.020 If I were going around and I were trying to force every single person and everyone in the world to believe exactly what I believe and say the same things and incantations that I say.
00:08:41.060 But how are they trying to force?
00:08:42.100 That's the thing.
00:08:42.760 I'm not understanding how they're trying to force.
00:08:43.520 You've got people making laws saying that you are not, you can be banned from social media for, quote, unquote, misgendering or deadnaming someone.
00:08:51.380 This is not, we're not talking about, we're not talking about hypotheticals.
00:08:55.720 I don't understand the desire to misgender someone.
00:08:58.420 I don't understand the desire for it.
00:09:00.300 Wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:09:01.000 If someone says they're a man and a woman, why do you care? 1.00
00:09:03.340 If somebody is a man, I'm going to refer to a man as a he. 1.00
00:09:07.480 This is how the language works.
00:09:09.380 I'm not going to.
00:09:09.920 Why don't you just don't talk to him?
00:09:11.000 Just don't talk.
00:09:11.880 Literally ignore him.
00:09:13.240 Look.
00:09:13.500 Focus on what you know and what you want to know.
00:09:15.820 Why are you so talking about it?
00:09:17.660 We're in this room.
00:09:19.420 Okay.
00:09:19.720 We're in this room.
00:09:20.560 Okay.
00:09:21.000 If I'm talking about, I want to refer to something Pearl says, I'll say, oh, she said, right.
00:09:24.980 This is, this is grammar.
00:09:26.280 This is how, how the language works.
00:09:27.940 Yeah.
00:09:28.600 Right.
00:09:28.920 This is how it works.
00:09:29.780 In fact, if I'm talking to you one-on-one, I don't use those pronouns because I'll just call you, you.
00:09:33.800 Yeah.
00:09:34.060 Right.
00:09:34.280 It's only when you're in a group conversation.
00:09:36.300 Just like you.
00:09:36.820 You're right.
00:09:37.380 You're right.
00:09:38.580 It's not that hard.
00:09:39.820 I don't understand it.
00:09:40.840 But it's not that simple at the same time.
00:09:42.400 But people are making laws.
00:09:43.720 It really is simple.
00:09:44.160 You are creating punishments against it.
00:09:46.180 I could, I could come and say, look, I think, look, I'm offended by blasphemy.
00:09:50.540 I don't like people using God's name in vain.
00:09:52.600 I don't like people saying nasty things about Jesus.
00:09:54.260 I don't like my religion and other religions being insulted.
00:09:57.020 Right.
00:09:57.760 Would it be reasonable for me?
00:10:00.100 Would it be progressive of me to try to create laws that make it illegal or which get you de-platformed
00:10:08.120 from Instagram or Twitter or YouTube or social media for saying something that goes against
00:10:12.240 my religious beliefs?
00:10:13.520 No, I would be considered hyper intolerant.
00:10:15.720 That would be me being unreasonable.
00:10:17.260 That would be me being the one who's not tolerant.
00:10:19.740 That would be me being the one who's being, it's not the other people.
00:10:23.280 I'm a grown adult.
00:10:24.880 I'm a grown man.
00:10:25.760 I'm not going to lie to you.
00:10:26.980 It doesn't actually affect any part of my life.
00:10:29.700 I think it's because you're so hyper anti it.
00:10:32.060 Oh my gosh.
00:10:32.780 I feel like it will affect.
00:10:34.620 I don't think.
00:10:35.420 I don't think.
00:10:35.440 Just wait.
00:10:35.860 No, no, no.
00:10:36.600 Just wait.
00:10:37.060 Just wait till it does.
00:10:38.700 Just wait till it does affect.
00:10:40.380 Then it will realize.
00:10:41.760 I genuinely don't.
00:10:42.860 How does it affect you?
00:10:44.500 Explain it.
00:10:45.160 I don't think you know how deep this has gone.
00:10:47.260 I really don't think you understand how deep this whole thing has gone.
00:10:50.480 I think you're thinking this is just hypothetical.
00:10:52.480 I mean, I had a woman at work and I remember basically on her details, it basically said a man's details, but I heard on the phone and it was a woman and I was like, wait, is this the client?
00:11:06.300 Should I do some DBS check?
00:11:10.000 But the thing is, all I thought in that situation is, well, this could be a woman that's transgendered and that's okay.
00:11:18.460 It's not a big deal.
00:11:19.780 Like, I don't get why we're trying to make it such a massive thing.
00:11:23.280 Let me ask you a couple of very simple questions.
00:11:25.620 Okay.
00:11:25.880 Some couple of simple questions.
00:11:27.120 Would you be comfortable with me being in your changing room?
00:11:32.080 Probably not.
00:11:32.940 Why?
00:11:34.540 Well, because you're a man and I don't want to be seen by a man.
00:11:37.320 What if I identify as a woman?
00:11:38.980 Still looking like that.
00:11:39.840 Yeah, but you look like a man. 0.91
00:11:41.140 Who cares?
00:11:41.320 If you probably looked like a woman, I wouldn't even know. 1.00
00:11:43.700 What if I still had a penis and testicles? 0.78
00:11:47.140 Well, that's the whole point of transgender. 1.00
00:11:48.580 Because you actually transform?
00:11:50.180 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:11:51.580 No, it's not.
00:11:52.080 No, it's not.
00:11:52.720 No, it's not.
00:11:53.300 No, it's not.
00:11:53.920 Yeah.
00:11:54.180 Well, I guess in that instance, you should definitely transform first before you can be using facilities.
00:12:00.240 But by...
00:12:00.920 Because it's confusing.
00:12:02.100 Let's be honest.
00:12:02.880 It's confusing.
00:12:04.040 If a man walks into a woman's changing room, I'm going to be like, whoa, why isn't he? 0.98
00:12:08.480 He's in the wrong changing room.
00:12:09.680 So that I'm going to be honest about, but it's not saying that you can feel however you want to feel.
00:12:15.140 We're not discussing people.
00:12:16.560 No one has said that people are not allowed to feel how they feel.
00:12:18.860 It's not an argument.
00:12:20.200 Yeah, but when it comes to real life scenarios like that, then yeah, of course, there should be rules that, okay, until you look like that's sex, then you can use their facilities.
00:12:29.800 You can't just walk in there because you're going to scare people.
00:12:32.060 Can I just ask you something?
00:12:34.020 You were saying that you were raising a religious background, religious household.
00:12:39.980 Were you like class yourself as a Christian?
00:12:42.860 Or you were just religious?
00:12:43.800 At this moment, I think...
00:12:44.600 No, did you?
00:12:46.040 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:46.540 I was very, very religious.
00:12:48.020 Did you find...
00:12:48.540 This, I would never say.
00:12:49.420 No, but what I'm trying to say is that, did you find it stifling?
00:12:54.380 Was it hard work?
00:12:55.320 Because it sounds like, to me, it sounds like you were really religious and that you went out there and you just, and then somebody got hurt and then it's like, do you know what?
00:13:06.140 If he said it after what he said, if he, after the declaration that he made just now, speaking of from a religious person, compared to you, I would say that your faith was weak and they got you while you was open. 0.60
00:13:18.560 I just think you have no right to say that because you don't know me and you don't know how I...
00:13:22.260 I'm going by what you said.
00:13:23.580 I know, but...
00:13:24.080 Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
00:13:25.520 I'm going by what you said.
00:13:26.960 Number one, you said you grew up in a religious household.
00:13:29.960 Then you said that you was to go and talk down to all the gay people and that you offended somebody.
00:13:35.220 And then you said that you went to China and that they didn't have religion.
00:13:38.980 They was doing this and this and it was all free.
00:13:40.800 I can only go by what you said.
00:13:42.140 Yeah, but all I'm trying to say is, back then, I was very strong.
00:13:45.840 Like, I was to the extent that I was like, if I literally do anything, I'm going to go to hell.
00:13:50.840 But the point is, I got to a stage where I stopped thinking about religion and God and I thought about, what do I think about it?
00:13:59.180 I grew up in a Christian home because I had no other choice.
00:14:03.020 That's all I was taught.
00:14:04.640 So imagine, actually, if I was, if I grew up in a home where there was no religion forced on me, what would I have grown up as?
00:14:11.920 So that for me...
00:14:12.980 Just as confused as you are now.
00:14:14.340 No, see what I mean?
00:14:15.660 That's the point.
00:14:16.360 You can have your own belief, but not put down other people's belief.
00:14:20.100 You saying that I was confused, I can say you're confused.
00:14:22.720 No, because by what you're saying, him as a Christian now, if he met somebody and there was gay, he wouldn't come down, you're going to hell, you're going to hell. 0.96
00:14:31.400 You wouldn't say that.
00:14:32.280 Because as a Christian, you're supposed to respect everybody.
00:14:36.240 You might not agree with their religion.
00:14:38.140 You might not agree.
00:14:39.020 Because me, I can say that I'm a Christian, my best friend's gay.
00:14:41.900 Because him being gay has nothing to do with him being my friend. 1.00
00:14:45.080 And I wouldn't turn around and say to him, oh, you shouldn't be gay, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't say that.
00:14:50.700 Okay, it wasn't like aggressive, it was just me saying how I felt.
00:14:53.460 No, I'm going by what you said, that you was with him.
00:14:55.540 Yeah, but you're saying like in a very aggressive manner, like I was just going around telling people all you're going to hell.
00:15:00.060 That is what you said.
00:15:00.880 It was just a conversation, oh yeah.
00:15:02.540 But I'm going by what you said.
00:15:03.280 So yeah, basically, my pastor was talking about it and you know what?
00:15:06.620 You don't set it up like that.
00:15:07.500 You said you're backtracking now, you're backtracking.
00:15:09.320 Oh, so you want me to explain exactly the conversation now?
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