She Strongly DISAGREED That Promiscuity Is Only a Thing For Women and Not for Men
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In this episode of Ladies on the Couch, we discuss the controversial topic of female promiscuity. Is it good or bad for women? Does it promote female empowerment or does it promote sexual objectification of women?
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gonna know is just post this post that especially with parents giving that to them at a young age
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is just the privacy starts from a young age so okay yeah i would personally need first of all
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the definition of this word because i don't understand what it is uh so to to be promiscuous
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um is to be sort of very sexually out there um so for example oh there we go we've got the
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definition great king is on it today i can't even say that word promiscuity having or involving many
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sexual partners not restricted to one sexual partner or few sexual partners not restricted
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to one class sort or person all right and what was the question again so is promiscuity female
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promiscuity specifically does it promote female empowerment or does it promote sexual objectification
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of women well i think that's a difficult question especially in our society now to
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response if it's right or not i will not do that tonight but what i would say is that in um
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in a biologic way or scientific way it tends to be more destructive for women to have this kind of
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behavior but at the end of the day you are you you do what you want what you feel is make you happy
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and uh yeah that's all i have to say about that um if we just ask me the question one more time so
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promiscuity female promiscuity does it promote female empowerment or does it promote the objectification
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of women all right so essentially is female promiscuity good or bad for women so look if you want to
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feel empowered by throwing your cheeks around do your thing that's entirely up to you i'm not going
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to judge my only problem with calling it female empowerment is you get to the point where you want
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to be loved by somebody you want to have good relationships if you've been throwing your cheeks
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around and a person turns around to you and says hey i don't want you because you threw your cheeks
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around what if you're deeply in love and you don't care you're not going to you're not going to wife
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you're not going to wife you hold all right but there are men that have done that there are men that
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are wifed a porn star for example oh that's how long does that last well i don't know i'm just i'm
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just throwing it out that because obviously men prefer women that are let's say less sexually
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active whatever which makes sense and i agree with that ideology but the reality of today is a whole
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different story and so what do we do why because i don't know society is a bit fucked up it has been
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for years and years and years and each generation keeps getting worse so here we are having this
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conversation you know as i said if you feel like throwing around your cheeks yes it's female empowerment
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do your thing body count matters has nothing to do with me just don't be upset if the man that you
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want to call says hey i don't want a million bodies that's it just don't be upset why is it that that
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guys care so much about body count about promiscuity what is it that that's a turn off because
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a key that can open many doors it's a master key preach to get let that one sink in right there
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oh okay but if it's the other way around it's just it's just a shit lock if any key can open it's a
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shit lock no i think you're defining that it's different it's different it's different for women
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and men like you can't like you always look at a woman's body count and i don't know what it is but
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that body count actually does matter on on a woman's part for men it's different isn't it
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is it just the thought of that woman that you're seeing or dating or interested in
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the fact that they've been with so many men is that just off-putting just another man having
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her hands on her is that what it is is that like i'm confused are you are you fighting are you fighting
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i'm both i'm asking questions so quick question are you fighting around because obviously you're
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pushing back against us are you fighting for women to throw their cheeks around no i'm not
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but i want to understand that the male psyche behind that do you throw your cheeks around
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well serious endeavor that's a private question oh god damn it
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but did you see this is my problem so yeah you're obviously saying oh yeah it's fine no i'm not
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saying it's fine you're not saying it's fine i'm not listen you're not saying it's fine i'm not
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saying it's fine but i'm trying to understand it i think she's trying to play devil's advocate to see
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how strong your story is yeah exactly is that what we do how strong your justification is because
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what do you mean my justification is literally if you want to throw cheeks around
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i get what you're saying i i completely hear what you're saying and i want to know any of the ladies
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on the couch do you do you agree or do you disagree that it's different for for men and women
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i disagree because uh i think that there is obviously a difference between men and women
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but uh as a man it i mean it can look as well negative that you are sleeping around and some
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some of us don't want you to so what's the problem with a guy being promiscuous from the female
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perspective as well it shows first of all lack of confidence lack of control uh lack of leadership
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and uh yeah just a general man's body you said community dick is lack of confidence yeah
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expand expand expand that one for me please just just just let's let's get into it expand that one for me
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a man is supposed to lead in general biologically naturally or whatever and
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uh i don't even know how to really pull it out in in english was a little bit difficult for me
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but you not being able to make one woman happy and you need the validation all those women
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by not committing to something it's already a sign of lack of confidence because one woman already
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it's a lot of work it's a lot of commitment it it's a lot of thing in a daily basis with the kids
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it's like it's again another but are you referring to uh in the context of a relationship
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or do you just mean a guy who sleeps around with a lot of women so where i would say a guy who is in
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a relationship or is not um it can it can as if you dig them dig down to it it can just mean that the
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person lack of confidence so sorry do you mean do you mean lack of control or lack of confidence both
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control and confidence leadership and self-esteem but if a man if a man is clapping multiple cheeks
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he's clearly got enough confidence to approach a lot of these women to even get in that situation
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in general i will say the same thing for women as well if she has the capacity to bend down all those
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men she has a lot of confidence too it's a bit left in it but what i think you mean is that the man has
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just a lack of self-control no i don't think you mean he has a lack of confidence because a lack of
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confidence would not allow a man to approach a multitude of women what i mean is lack of
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confidence and control but both of them how can it be a lack of confidence if a man is able to
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approach the women and bed them i mean is it possible actually to make fully happy a woman
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one woman is this very difficult so you're talking about a lack of men and women are worried very
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differently unfortunately you know i mean our our hormones are very different i understand what you're
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saying biologically it is what it is you mean testosterone in men functions differently right
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yeah and then women can turn around and and say well actually i don't like guys that are inexperienced
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i don't know what they're doing but then at the same time they can argue the other side of wow
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you know so it's a difficult place it's a difficult question to really answer to be honest yeah but at the
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end of the day um that we even consider it that it plays as well in the minds uh in the cycle of a
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man to continue to do this kind of but men boys don't become men until later stages and women you have
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to understand that as well physically and mentally ladies let me ask you this question ladies would you
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date a virgin no would you date a virgin no well yeah that's my point would you date a virgin yes or no
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it's the pen for flip's sake man why in the middle you you are straight no why not you want a man of
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confidence no at the same time i think you know i feel like in a relationship obviously the sexual part
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of it is quite important may not be in all relationships but i think your majority is so i think especially say
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i think in that sense you want to be somewhat satisfied and obviously like some people like
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i feel like a guy would like to say a virgin because like obviously it's like oh she's got no body
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count like she doesn't have her body count i can teach her what to do whereas women like again we'd
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like to kind of be led as well so in that sense is like you know if you're acting masculine all day
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you don't want to be acting masculine in the bedroom with your man like that's just that's just that's just
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not on sorry but no that makes sense and you also said definitely not is it the same kind of reason
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um i just don't have patience to be teaching other people i want to be taught not in a sexual aspect
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i mean in a general aspect if and if i'm interested in a man it's because i want to be led let's say
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knowledge energy whatever it is a virgin because he is a virgin is then attached with let's say experience
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socially uh whatever do you mean there is at a certain point not because of the sexual aspect
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of it because of the point in their life that it ties she wants a man of confidence yeah but nothing
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says as well that mr virgin that we're talking about um doesn't have the capacity to become a man
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no he can become a man but i'm sure he'll meet another virgin and they'll get on do you mean everybody
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vibrates in different energies and there are different points in their lives you know there is an exception
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in every single society you want someone with a clean slate what does that mean so so as as these
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lot said they don't want to be a virgin but you are a little bit melancholy in regards to it you
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technically wouldn't i said it's depend so it can be yes so in some situations depending on the person
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also all the factor that's uh you know that that makes the person depending on it i'm gonna say yes
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or no okay so you don't mind having to teach someone that's inexperienced you don't mind that that's
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okay i mean it's depend like i said it's depend there's a lot of factor that comes with it so what
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are the some factors that come into it what does it depend on first of all um i will respect the the
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the man uh regardless of him being a virgin um having leadership skills being a person who is confident
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and when that is on point i believe that when it comes to the sexual part even though he is um
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on this i don't know how to say that even though he doesn't have experience he will have a lot of
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confidence to uh get to understand and maybe have more patience and also better understanding than a
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person who already fucked up um his um mind with uh sorry porn and uh um all those uh major experiences
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yeah i mean the porn subjects aside uh i think you're i think you're making a bit of a mistake with
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the differences between men and women so a guy could sleep i am very clear with what i'm saying maybe it's
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the way i'm putting out but i'm not changing my mind that's fair enough but the point that i'm
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trying to make is that men and women are very different when it comes to sex a guy could sleep
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with a lot of girls and have no emotional connection to any of those girls yeah i understand that point
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but i'm still saying that it is still detrimental you know it's a fact that what you just said is uh
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proved by science but it's a fact as well that uh on a long term if you continue on that road it will
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still have the same effect that it can have on a woman not the same thing but you know is i will
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never say that um a woman should not sleep around and a man can because uh it's false but that they
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have less effect on a man it's just proven by science did you say that's proven by science yeah
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biologically no she she's agreeing that uh men i think you're talking about what i'm talking about
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which is pair bonding so men's ability to pair bond does start to decline but it's at a very
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different rate to women so a woman it's about five bodies so after a woman has gone above five bodies
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her ability to pair bond to a partner is decreased for a man it's like a way higher number i don't
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have the specific number but it might be something like 50 or something um but obviously that's because
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men biologically are built to spread their seed whereas for women it's a bit different although i did
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see a study recently that suggested women are more polyamorous but that's i haven't looked into it
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anyway i want to revert back to you all mentioned earlier when i mentioned promiscuity you all pretty
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much spoke about social media um so i want to delve more into the social media aspect um does social media
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promote promiscuity do you think do you think it encourages people to be promiscuous online absolutely
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i mean when you look at the history sex has always sold right anything that's been sexualized even
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let's say in the 50s with cigarettes majority of the adverts had sexy ladies smoking because it's
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associated with an oral form genuine smoking um so sexuality has always been a part of let's say
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cells or driving a motive or changing our minds or perspectives now social media when that came into
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into place gradually in the beginning it wasn't i mean i'm 30 years old in the beginning we didn't
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really post that many you know saucy photos and all of a sudden when the business aspect
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became a part of instagram and i'm sure you we all remember when you know instagram was just simple
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posting things now you've got ads you can sell things it's changed completely now it's markets it's
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on vulnerable women in my opinion that has now that have now come on social media they've grown up with
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with a let's say a young mindset they are young they're seeing older women more attractive women
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doing and having a certain behavioral pattern and they've thought that's okay because their parents
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don't know what they're looking at or their friends and their peers have the same mentality so i think
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each generation has grown up with uh with normalizing showing your body on social media and now it's
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obviously capitalized and instagram facebook everything has is now making money from women
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posting sexy photos and then you can argue yes women wanna do that but unfortunately they're not
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realizing that they're teaching the next generation the wrong thing um yeah i think it's been capitalized
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hugely what what is it that's wrong about it in your opinion i mean what selling um your body online
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what's wrong with that i mean i think it should be i mean there's a lot of things wrong wrong with it
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i think morally it's not correct and that's my simplest answer just morally it's not correct
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okay yeah definitely i think so like um based on what she said just then like sex sells so i think
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especially now because instagram is a lot of people and businesses promote a lot of their you know
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brands and so forth on it sex sells so they're gonna want to have good looking people or you
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know girls that are kind of you know attractive and so forth may not be to that extent and obviously
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we're not speaking about business in this we're speaking about promiscuity but since when i was a
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child to now the way that you know social media is it's yeah there's a massive massive change in what
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people actually generally share um and if you even if you just go in your like if you count 10 posts
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eight out of 10 posts someone naked or there's someone you know showing something um if even if
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it's not themselves there's something that's a bit more you know on the sexual sides of of anything so
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and what do you think of that do you think that that's a good thing or a bad thing
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just in your personal opinion not whether it's you know the public opinion what do you make of that
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again i think i think i think it is it does play on morals as well some people may feel confident
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to show a lot some people may not it's insecurities as well you have to remember women we all have a
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lot of insecurities so i think a lot of younger women are going out their way for validation
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through likes through of course you know people wake up they're like oh how many likes do i have
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and that for me is absurd for me it's absurd that someone can rely their happiness or their self-confidence
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on the amount of views and lines that they have that for me is a very alien thing but it's a real
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thing yeah definitely so the motive is now connected with views and likes and posting more so it's
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correct so it's basically like awarding unconsciously is being like a woman's being awarded by likes by
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posting more and more and more so it carries on in a way yeah i also think in a way a lot of um of this
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generation self-worth um self-worth comes from social media so it's like i i want to see how
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much i can get i want to see the likes of views whatever i can get and that if i can hit this
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amount or if i can get change my mood but if i get if i post something that it gets 50 likes
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that would be like wow that's low well in this generation it is when you're seeing other people
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other celebrities other influencers or just even normal people getting six seven hundred and you're
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posting a photo that you think you look nice in and you're getting 50 and you're comparing it to
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someone else who's got you know a different photo they're gonna be like oh they people girls especially
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love to compare themselves unfortunately that's just how it is they're always going to compare themselves
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to kylie jenner or whoever so i think just even just a subconscious thing that we just generally will
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always compare yeah adiola you're you're you're laughing along there what's your thoughts
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no it's just because i couldn't really relate with this but yeah i understand because um but what i
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do not compare myself with kindly jenner i believe we're two but unfortunately majority of women are
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i don't either i don't follow celebrities i don't really care about that world yeah but unfortunately
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young we have to think about other people and unfortunately it's become a real thing of our
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society where what kylie jenner says and does affect people that for me is absurd but it is the reality
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that we live in unfortunately yeah and so can i ask you one more time what is the question
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um so the question is does social media promote female promiscuities does it encourage it
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of course yeah as well social media is definitely a platform to promote a lot of things businesses or
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wherever you want to promote and um i mean i believe that when it comes to sexuality it is a
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great way to do publicity whenever whatever whatever topic it is so um yeah i believe that the social
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media is becoming more and more sexual and um and do you think that's a good or a bad thing yeah um
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obviously the there is some danger in that because some people will say that it's good because
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there is body positivity in them but at the same time it will come as well with some uh recuperation
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or how do you say with some bad repercussions you know so i i want to uh before coming to the lads to
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get your opinion on this um i want to get your guys thoughts on body positivity what does it mean to you
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and and what's your thoughts of it um what's body positivity um i mean because we hear this a lot
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with when we talk about promiscuity what people are using these days to say but because i haven't
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really heard it in this time so a lot of people who come on here um and uh obviously when paul's hosting
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she might put it slightly different to how i put it but you know they they say you know i i like to
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show my body online um i like to share it with the world because it's body positivity and it's this whole
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idea of uh confidence and self-love and self-worth um and i think unfortunately we're being led a lot
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by a lot of mentally ill people because when you look at a lot of agendas that are completely destroying
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people's morals this can fall into that same category now someone being sexual and promiscuous
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online that is then awarded in a way unconsciously to that person for them to believe that it's a
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correct behavior that goes to show i mean a lot of people have a lot to work within themselves in
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my opinion so that comes from a lot of trauma a woman that is very okay with that has to be so
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delusional in a form of protection so they've come from trauma or they've come from something that they
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have to they become that deluded for them to feel positive for showing their body online you know and i i
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just look at it in a very vulnerable way because i feel sorry for these women it's not that i attack them
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i don't look down at them i don't i don't agree what they're doing like only fans girls i don't
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disagree with what they're doing but it's a shame that they're doing that because they don't realize
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how traumatized or hurt and how much healing they need to do for them to actually grasp the idea of
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them to think about what it's like in the future them looking back on their actions because you can't
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undo especially anything on online they made loads of money though yeah but money comes and goes that's
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the problem people don't understand money is motivated money is can be evil in my opinion
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depends on the person i think it can be a very evil thing money comes and goes so that's not what
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life is all about making money it isn't so so if you exploit a behavior and you make loads of money
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off of it but i wouldn't exploit it a behavior that's incorrect i'm not talking about you but i'm saying
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we're the only fans girls if you if you exploit a behavior and you make loads of money off it and all of a
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sudden to behave like you've grown out of it and now you're in a different state where your mind
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isn't all too there yeah exactly who is who is really to blame for that is it it's not about
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that or or is it you like where where does what i want to know is where does the accountability come in
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like when when do we when do we look at ourselves and be like rah this madness happened to me in my life
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but i'm not gonna go and do an absolute madness to other people because it can potentially affect
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everybody it doesn't make any sense where do we where do we get to the part where we're like
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okay this madness happened to you we get it that doesn't mean you go and then do the same madness
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to other people where does the accountability come in in the situation there's so many factors i think
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i think socially economically there's so many things that are in play to a woman's when a woman for
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example if a woman has children and and she's a single mother okay but at the same time yes she needs
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to feed her kids but if she really wanted to feed her kids she would get up and work her arse off
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in my opinion i come from a refugee family that came here from a war i know what it is like to come
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from nothing do you know what i mean i know what what that means so unfortunately women are seeing
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this as an easy option but not really understanding the consequences in the future you said that you uh
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you know that it's a shame and that they've been through trauma and all of that which i i i agree i i think
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ultimately that there's a void in themselves that they're trying to fill with something outside of
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themselves without knowing unfortunately most of the time i've thought that for a long time okay what
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i'm now starting to believe it's just willful ignorance um but oh okay perhaps we won't get
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into a philosophical debate my question my question for you is is uh you said you know it's a shame it's
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trauma all of that stuff so why do you not disagree with it you said you don't you don't disagree with them
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doing it i don't listen someone's opinion i can't understand someone's background of doing it so i
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can't judge somebody on that basis of me just understanding certain facts about an individual
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i don't agree with it in a whole in a bigger perspective i don't agree with women selling
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their bodies online or so you do disagree with i do i do disagree with what women are doing yes right
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okay but i'm just trying to sound why but at the same time i do the same thing i try and psychoanalyze
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everything but i think ultimately in society the only way we're going to move forward is if we have
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clear definitions about things because i think at the moment we live in a world where everything has
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become and as much as i hate the word fluid everything is a mess right now and we seem to
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have lost the definitions to things and i think you know we seem to have gone overboard with this concept
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of tolerance the idea of you know you can do what you want and live and let live it's like okay well
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how far does that go because if we stop judging each other how do we decide who's a criminal but
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those people are then affecting our environment our do you mean people in general online yeah somebody
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at that do you mean let's say someone has loads of followers and has younger women following them
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listening to their bullshit and their absolute nonsense that is then affecting us not directly but
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indirectly yeah and it's affecting the next generation absolutely and where is the stop
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again where does the accountability come in i'm going to ask this again because
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all of us in here probably that individual has to take accountability for themselves no but this is
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this is what i'm saying it sounds like it sounds like we're making excuses here because when we're
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listening to rap music the vast majority of people that listen to rap music aren't going out and doing
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road not going out and stabbing people they're not going out shooting people they're not going out
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doing bootings they're not they're not going out scamming them they're definitely not having a
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great time one second one second they're not going out doing all of these all of these different things
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no no no you're talking about a small minority of people that are doing it otherwise if a large
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majority of people that listen to rap again one of the biggest genres in the world the whole world
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would be in terms of music and a woman's body are two different things no but what i'm trying to show
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you is where does the accountability come in what i'm trying to show you is i'm trying to give you
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well what's your opinion where do you think i think he's talking about the fact that you said
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there's multiple factors that come into it and you said that effect what he's trying to say is that
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ultimately it is the woman's decision if she decides to do that this is what i'm saying like when it when
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it comes to man and listening to all this music they're not going out and doing all this type of
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stuff there's a vast majority of men that listen to rap music that don't go on to be murderers drug
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leaders and all this type of stuff in general so where do we like where do we like look at the
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situation and be like bro there needs to be some accountability taken for the person again i
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completely understand that you might have a situation that's completely messed up every
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single person not every single person but a lot of people have worse situations than you and they have
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not gone into doing things that are going to denigrate their own community so i'm going to ask again
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when do we say to the people that are doing all this stuff where's your accountability i get your hurt
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that's fine i understand your hurt i understand think people have done madnesses to you but there's
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also a bunch of other people that have been through those same things and instead of them
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going and denigrating their community what do they do they try to be martyrs to make sure that
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things like that don't happen to other people they try to educate people they try to teach people
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wagwan this that and blah blah blah but when it comes to us talking about like you know women and
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their bad behavior it's like we it's like we just can't say hey just be accountable just stop yeah
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be accountable you i get it your life might have been mad but bro you selling your cheeks on only
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fans for less than a big mac is not my problem what are we doing here yeah what are we doing here
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or delusional there's delusion and i wanted to believe this for a really long time or just just
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stupidity should we just basically just loads of stupid people have just affected our society is this
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what it comes down to i think that takes away from accountability no i'm saying isn't stupidity
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a personal problem i don't know they just need to be like i don't know i'm right i'm just saying
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stupidity is a personal problem if you're being stupid it is a personal problem and you're making
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dumb decisions i have a question for the people who are talking about account accountability yeah um
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do you mean that those women who do this kind of things or this kind of work they are not
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taking that country like they they are not conscious that they are doing it or what do you
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mean about they're conscious but they're in the illusion they're conscious but what i'm trying to
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say is if i go out god forbid and i've had a bad day at work and i punch someone in the face
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regardless of whether or not i had a bad day at work i still punch someone in the face
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that's what i'm talking about in terms of accountability so don't go out do a madness because
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we've seen a lot of only fans turn reverts right now yeah they're getting to the point where
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covid is done now sorry bovid is done now whatever it is yeah that's all done now and as many of you
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know i was just banned on tick tock and we are demonetized on a daily basis on this platform if
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