JustPearlyThings - She was MOCKED for Defending Feminism Blindly

00:00:00.000 So today, this today was sparked guys. Troy did me such a solid today. I woke up. I had no plans for this. I had no idea what I was going to do today. And Troy decided to go viral on Twitter and come on today. Thank you for that.

00:00:16.900 It's absolutely fine. Whatever I can do. Could you pull up the tweet I sent you, King? So Troy had a tweet go viral. And I think this is a conversation about like what we talk so much about high value men in the red pill. We've never we don't really define it often, you know, and there's a lot of disagreements. So Troy came in and gave us an awesome definition.

00:00:41.080 OK, put it on the screen.

00:00:46.900 All right. So we got a high value man is a bachelor in his 40s and 50s, has a vasectomy, child free by choice, travels extensively, reads voraciously, voraciously.

00:01:06.100 I don't know. I like I don't know British words. I don't know. I don't know big words. I don't know. It's not my thing.

00:01:12.160 All right. Swims in the sea every morning in the sunshine. Is that something you do?

00:01:17.480 Well, we'll get into this in a minute. OK, OK. It's something I like to do.

00:01:22.320 OK. A joy is the best of life, unfettered by the consequences and responsibilities that others have.

00:01:30.140 OK, so tell me your thought behind this tweet. I think it all makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

00:01:34.600 To be honest, I can't see any disagreement from the audience about any of that at all.

00:01:38.200 As a vasectomy, though. So, OK, so look, there's there is a little bit of context behind this.

00:01:43.580 And I don't want to be like special pleading here because I've sort of hauled up in front of the court now to explain myself.

00:01:48.120 So the vasectomy thing has been a little bit of a meme, I would say, around and it's semi.

00:01:56.240 I know you've discussed it sort of seriously, semi-seriously, semi-humorously sort of discussed.

00:02:00.420 I think he was sparked off by Rollo Tomasi, who did a tweet a little while ago, which also went viral, when he talked about it was it was a very similar sort of layout to this, really, where he talks about high value man.

00:02:10.840 And he was saying the fastest way to become the highest value version of yourself.

00:02:15.120 One of the things on there was to get a vasectomy. 0.99

00:02:17.000 And he and when he was challenged about that, he said, well, the reason for that is because if you get into a situation with a woman where you get somebody pregnant, maybe by accident or maybe it's not the right woman for you at that time, obviously, that's going to impede your progress.

00:02:32.200 And he was talking about basically like making money and becoming that sort of high value man.

00:02:36.360 I understood it perfectly, but everyone else was going crazy.

00:02:39.840 No, everyone went nuts.

00:02:41.080 And then that was when he appeared on Fresh and Fit.

00:02:44.160 And then he got challenged by, well, it was Destiny, wasn't it?

00:02:46.620 And Sneeko.

00:02:47.480 And then there was this whole debate.

00:02:49.060 So that whole thing happened.

00:02:50.460 So when I referenced vasectomy in my tweet, I was sort of humorously referencing that, if that makes sense.

00:02:56.800 It was kind of like a little bit of a nod to that.

00:02:59.480 But, you know, some of the other things in the tweet, I do think, I do stand by the sense that I think that there's a model for life here that gets shut out.

00:03:09.840 A little bit from the conversation, particularly with a lot of the track cons that are around.

00:03:13.120 That makes sense.

00:03:14.200 Yeah.

00:03:14.460 And why do you think that is?

00:03:15.960 Like what?

00:03:17.720 Well, I think what I was basically trying to say in that tweet is that it is possible if you want to, as an older guy, to have a great life.

00:03:26.580 And you don't have to go down, you know, the conventional pathway if you don't want to.

00:03:31.300 Now, obviously, for most people, that's not going to be applicable.

00:03:34.080 And I completely accept that.

00:03:35.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:03:36.100 All I'm saying is, you know, myself, I mean, I'm in my 40s.

00:03:39.180 I have a pretty good time.

00:03:40.040 I travel around a lot.

00:03:41.020 I date around.

00:03:41.740 I'm pretty.

00:03:42.120 I've got quite a lot of personal freedom, which I personally, you know, value.

00:03:45.420 I also know dudes in their 50s, even in their 60s, who are also living a similar sort of lifestyle.

00:03:50.780 So the whole point of the tweet and a lot of the stuff that I put out recently, which is a little bit satirical, a little bit spiky, whatever.

00:03:57.580 But the whole point of it is just to say, look, there's a load of Tragcons on here who are basically telling you to get shacked up at 22, find a wife, have 15 kids, go to Ikea every weekend, pretend to be happy. 1.00

00:04:09.940 And all I'm saying is you don't have to do that and you don't have to be afraid.

00:04:13.840 If you don't do that, you'll just be left on the shelf.

00:04:15.860 Well, and I actually I had I had a thought the other day.

00:04:18.660 I was thinking about how you're more likely to fail at marriage than succeed.

00:04:23.680 And I thought about this.

00:04:24.720 OK, yeah.

00:04:25.420 What's the general reputation of marriage? 0.69

00:04:27.760 Pretty awful.

00:04:28.460 Yeah.

00:04:28.640 Negative.

00:04:29.300 Right.

00:04:29.620 It's not it's not a good thing.

00:04:31.180 Right.

00:04:31.580 Yeah.

00:04:31.920 I'm not saying it can't ever be a good thing, but just by and large, it's like a lot of times what I see them do is they'll blame everyone else for marriage's reputation.

00:04:40.060 I didn't create the society.

00:04:42.060 Yeah, I didn't.

00:04:42.640 So it's not our fault for talking about it.

00:04:44.600 So when I thought about, OK, if we take 50 percent of marriages fail and then we take the other 50 percent and if there's a negative reputation, we can assume at least half of those are unhappy, which is something that we would strive for.

00:04:58.840 Right.

00:04:59.400 Then you could argue 75 percent failure rate, meaning you're more likely to fail than succeed.

00:05:04.100 Why is that the path to happiness?

00:05:07.260 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:05:08.040 I mean, because I think you use that stat 75 percent, I think, in a tweet.

00:05:11.380 Yeah, that was my reasoning.

00:05:13.260 Everyone's like, it's not really 75.

00:05:15.260 I'm like, well, yeah, no, I did.

00:05:17.000 I did wonder what the figure was.

00:05:18.100 But I think actually Rich Cooper as well had a tweet a while back and he had some stats on unhappiness within marriage as well.

00:05:23.560 And, you know, we'd have to look it up.

00:05:25.160 But it was, you know, the bottom line is that there was a lot of unhappiness.

00:05:28.540 A quarter of them are sexless, too.

00:05:30.980 So you add up all these different.

00:05:32.860 Yeah.

00:05:33.100 Yeah.

00:05:33.500 Yeah.

00:05:33.680 So I think there's just a fundamental problem with particularly the trad con crowd.

00:05:39.200 You look at something like Twitter or X or whatever it is.

00:05:41.260 You've got a bunch of these trad cons and they're just pushing this narrative.

00:05:44.220 Just get married, bro.

00:05:45.280 It's going to be fine.

00:05:46.260 It's all going to be great.

00:05:47.100 That's the end point that you want to strive for.

00:05:48.660 And I don't believe, firstly, that that's always the case, because I think, as we said, a lot of marriages end up failing.

00:05:53.600 And secondly, a lot of marriages are not very happy.

00:05:55.040 And there's a lot of infidelity as well.

00:05:57.080 And secondly, I don't believe if you don't want that route, that that has to be the only route that's open to you.

00:06:02.060 Well, and what red pilled me a bit was interviewing these guys for this divorce documentary.

00:06:07.900 Yeah.

00:06:08.120 And I would just look and I'm like, I can name at least 10 men off the top of my heads that are absolutely worse off because they went that route.

00:06:15.380 Well, like there's no if, ands or buts.

00:06:17.060 I'm not saying don't do it.

00:06:18.320 Like, yeah, for some people, it's amazing and awesome.

00:06:20.540 But this idea that, like, one is the best path moving forward.

00:06:25.040 I think, look, I mean, I think if it works as it's meant to work, it would be it would be brilliant.

00:06:31.080 And who wouldn't want to sign up for that?

00:06:32.600 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:33.440 But unfortunately, and I think you've made this point, we live in a society where it just doesn't work in the same way that it was meant to.

00:06:39.140 And a good friend of mine recently has been completely, you know, screwed over by this.

00:06:43.960 I mean, he's having big problems in terms of custody of his child.

00:06:47.400 And, you know, you go down that traditional route and suddenly the rug gets pulled out from under you.

00:06:52.420 So, again, you know, I'm not saying don't do it, but I think you do have to proceed with caution and realize what the reality of the situation is now.

00:06:58.300 Yeah. What are you guys's thoughts on his tweet?

00:07:01.780 I mean, I can see why it's controversial.

00:07:03.700 And I understand, like, I understand it from both perspectives because I'm married and I see the value in marriage.

00:07:10.280 And I think that marriage is really important.

00:07:11.920 And, you know, I love my husband and he loves me and he protects me.

00:07:18.080 He provides for me.

00:07:19.960 And, like, there's something so beautiful in that.

00:07:22.200 So I see it from that perspective.

00:07:24.340 So there's, like, the romantic in me and the woman in me that, you know, that values marriage.

00:07:29.340 But at the same time, also being a lawyer, I understand how the law discriminates against men.

00:07:35.620 I understand how, especially when it comes to divorce, custody battles, division of the assets, all of these types of things are all against men.

00:07:45.700 And it's true what you said, Troy, about how the Tradcorn sort of talk about marriage as the ultimate goal.

00:07:50.340 And they don't necessarily talk about the risks that come with it.

00:07:54.280 And so, yeah, like you said, men get blindsided.

00:07:56.460 So I see both sides of it.

00:07:58.140 The vasectomy thing is controversial.

00:07:59.780 But at the same time, it's, like, a form of birth control.

00:08:03.960 Like, women get, you know, the metal rod up, you know. 1.00

00:08:08.760 And that's extreme.

00:08:10.700 Right.

00:08:11.000 I mean, it can be reversed.

00:08:12.300 I don't know much about vasectomies, but I understand they can be reversed.

00:08:16.740 But, yeah, I see both sides.

00:08:19.580 Yeah, I think it's a lot less guaranteed to be able to get a vasectomy reversed versus using other methods of birth control.

00:08:26.840 I think that when it comes to contraception, that's probably the number one way to go about it.

00:08:31.500 If you're not sure about having children, if you feel like it might be something that you want, but you want to increase your values and assets.

00:08:38.320 So I feel like instead of going the whole route of vasectomy, which you possibly can't reverse it in a lot of cases, a better method instead is, like, okay,

00:08:46.000 make sure that your partner's on contraception, that you're using contraception, make sure that your plan gets safe.

00:08:50.960 Do you trust these chicks to tell you if you're on contraception? 1.00

00:08:53.940 You know how many guys I know that have been?

00:08:56.520 I mean, yeah, you don't have to trust them.

00:08:58.700 I think you should encourage them.

00:09:00.260 But you should also use a condom, right?

00:09:02.840 I'm just saying try to cover as many bases as you possibly can if you're not certain about having children, but you don't want to completely cut that possibility.

00:09:11.160 Because I think having children for a lot of people is a very fulfilling experience that means a lot to them.

00:09:16.820 Of course.

00:09:17.420 I mean, just on this vasectomy point, I would say I think that the argument that it is reversible, I think I would treat that with a lot of skepticism personally.

00:09:26.340 You know what I'm saying?

00:09:26.940 Because I think I theoretically, I believe it is.

00:09:29.500 But I think if you're going to go to that to that route, you know, I wouldn't rely on the reversibility of it.

00:09:38.480 Yeah, just trying to be trying to be responsible here.

00:09:41.900 Well, you're going to lead these men down the path.

00:09:44.720 Well, I know, but I didn't know, I didn't know he's going to get a million, a million hits.

00:09:49.420 You're just, that's what they'll always say, like you're leading them down the path.

00:09:52.220 I know, I know.

00:09:52.780 So what, Troy, do you have a vasectomy here?

00:09:54.540 No, God, no.

00:09:56.140 Are you sure?

00:09:57.240 Yeah.

00:09:58.580 Okay, interesting.

00:10:00.280 Well, I'm shooting blanks anyway.

00:10:02.560 I don't need one, mate.

00:10:05.820 It was all the cocaine, you know? 1.00

00:10:07.180 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:10:08.800 Cocaine and trend. 1.00

00:10:09.880 It's just like, you know.

00:10:10.580 No, I mean, no, I don't.

00:10:15.600 And of course, that's, you know, I, again, I have to say.

00:10:18.860 It's a smart tweet, bro.

00:10:20.060 The vasectomy reference was a little bit tongue in cheek.

00:10:24.840 And it was a reference to some of these other tweets that have gone around.

00:10:27.660 But, you know.

00:10:29.000 I just think it's interesting how you can't say it without people getting so mad.

00:10:33.260 People go, yeah, well, this is the interesting thing.

00:10:34.820 People go absolutely nuts.

00:10:36.340 You know, and I kind of knew that, I suppose, when I put it in.

00:10:39.960 You know, it was kind of, obviously, it was meant to be provocative.

00:10:42.240 It was meant to piss people off a bit.

00:10:43.500 It worked.

00:10:45.060 And it is interesting, isn't it?

00:10:46.820 Because why is it?

00:10:47.940 And we could, I suppose, link it to the, you know, plan B kind of, you know, the debate around.

00:10:54.120 I mean, I know a girl.

00:10:55.120 There was a girl that came on the show that's infertile because of plan B. 1.00

00:10:58.600 So it's not like the birth control methods don't have fertility issues later, too.

00:11:02.520 No, but it seems like there's a sort of my body, my choice when we're discussing it from the woman's perspective.

00:11:08.160 But from the male perspective, I mean, look, there's also a lot of guys who are objecting to that tweet as well.

00:11:12.340 So it's not just this is coming from women.

00:11:13.680 But it does feel a little bit like the my body, my choice thing doesn't apply to men so much, even though perhaps it should.

00:11:20.060 Something like this.

00:11:21.400 You know.

00:11:22.480 What do you think, Christine?

00:11:23.580 Yeah, I mean, I see both sides of it as well.

00:11:29.260 At the end of the day, I think it is.

00:11:31.260 It is interesting that that particular tweet went viral.

00:11:34.600 And I do probably think it's because of the vasectomy part of it.

00:11:38.920 It's exactly the same as what happens with Rollo's tweet, wasn't it?

00:11:42.900 That's a vasectomy. 1.00

00:11:44.320 Oh, my God.

00:11:45.100 Yeah, I mean, look, everyone has free will, right?

00:11:49.920 And if you want to get a vasectomy, then, of course, go and do that.

00:11:53.500 But, you know, like anything, you need to understand the risks behind that.

00:11:57.860 And, you know, if you do then decide you want kids in the future, you know, who knows if these things are reversible or not?

00:12:05.940 And the same thing applies with women taking birth control and plan B and all of that stuff. 1.00

00:12:11.280 It's the exact same thing.

00:12:12.620 But it is just interesting, the response to a man talking about something like a vasectomy.

00:12:17.100 But, yeah, no one's screaming at all of the women about the fact that all of us are on birth control.

00:12:22.920 I know, 90% of us have been on birth control at one point or another.

00:12:26.320 Yeah, I think it's important to recognize, though, that although if you, like, mis-properly use birth control,

00:12:31.820 like if you use plan B as your main source of contraception, then, yeah, that can lead to infertility. 0.89

00:12:36.920 But overall, the methods of birth control are a lot, like, safer and not very permanent compared to a vasectomy.

00:12:43.320 Well, I mean, I disagree with that because I think that they tell us that birth control is safe

00:12:48.260 and they tell us that birth control has no permanent effects on us.

00:12:51.380 But at the end of the day, you're pumping synthetic hormones.

00:12:53.640 If you're taking the pill or you've got, like, the marina in your arm, you're pumping synthetic hormones into your body.

00:12:59.580 And we have absolutely no idea what that does on a long-term basis.

00:13:03.180 And imagine being the woman who's been told it's been safe your whole life and then you cannot have it.

00:13:07.920 Yeah, let's talk about the contradictions.

00:13:09.580 How about the fact that the NHS website tells you that when you're on the pill, it can reduce your chances of cancer

00:13:15.080 when there are studies left, right and centre proving that actually being on the pill increases your chance of getting certain types of cancer.

00:13:23.220 So let's not forget the fact that a lot of these stories that are talking about birth control being a safe option for women

00:13:29.580 and a lot of the public health authorities that are saying that it's a safe option for women, there's an agenda behind that.

00:13:35.420 And a lot of it is to do with the fact that, like anything, it's a business and there's money to be made.

00:13:38.820 So let's not be ignorant to that fact.

00:13:40.520 Well, to be completely fair, when you're talking about, like, oh, synthetic hormones, we don't know what they do, et cetera, et cetera.

00:13:46.380 The fact is, like, there has been a lot of data about how birth control can actually, like, help with hormonal regulations.

00:13:52.420 And although I would have agreed with you if we lived in a completely natural world,

00:13:56.320 maybe that would be the case where it's like, oh, no, like, it causes more imbalances.

00:13:59.680 And for some women, it does. 0.99

00:14:01.640 The fact of the matter is there's so much hormones in our food.

00:14:04.580 There's so many things that we're consuming on a day-to-day basis that affect our cycles.

00:14:08.700 Personally, I got an IUD and it really changed my life for the better.

00:14:12.840 And the reason why I say that is because before that, my hormones were all out of whack,

00:14:16.600 probably has to do with my food, maybe genetics, things like that.

00:14:20.740 And once I was able to get it, my period reduced, my cramps reduced.

00:14:25.240 I was able to actually start, like, living a more fulfilling life

00:14:27.940 and not just being put out of commission one week every month.

00:14:31.340 But do you not think you could have done that naturally as well?

00:14:34.100 I mean, can you not see that that could have been done naturally

00:14:36.620 and perhaps you're just putting a plaster on, you know, an immediate symptom?

00:14:40.980 You're saying all of these symptoms have changed, but realistically,

00:14:44.560 you don't actually know what the underlying cause of all of that is.

00:14:46.760 I know it's increasingly hard in a world where, as you say, everything's unnatural.

00:14:50.580 Completely agree with that.

00:14:51.740 There's hormones in the water. 1.00

00:14:52.800 We all know this, there's, you know, probably a bunch of shit in the air that we're breathing. 0.99

00:14:57.520 But can you not see that perhaps you're kind of buying into this idea 1.00

00:15:02.300 that the way to solve your health problems is just by taking more drugs?

00:15:06.600 Well, here's the idea, right?

00:15:08.280 If I, I'm not living in a jungle separated from all people, right?

00:15:12.660 I'm living in a society where I constantly have to interact with these things,

00:15:16.460 whether I like it or not.

00:15:17.400 So unless if I was able to put myself in like a deserted island and live completely naturally,

00:15:22.200 then I'd be like, yeah, sure.

00:15:23.700 Maybe that has to do something more with my lifestyle there.

00:15:26.340 But you can eliminate certain things out of your life

00:15:28.300 and you can take measures to ensure that you are getting the least amount of hormones

00:15:32.000 in things like your water.

00:15:33.360 You know, there's filters and things that you can buy

00:15:34.880 and you can do things like the elimination diet

00:15:36.660 to see what certain foods that may be irritating you

00:15:39.520 and causing an influx in your immune system.

00:15:42.180 There are measures you can take that are natural instead of resorting to hormones.

00:15:45.880 Sure, I'm not. What is it?

00:15:47.180 Well, yes and no, right?

00:15:48.520 It depends a lot also on your like personal like body genetics.

00:15:52.580 You know, for some people, and this is just a random example,

00:15:56.320 like having this increase of hormones and whatever might not really affect them.

00:16:00.020 But for another person, it might really affect them, right?

00:16:02.660 So I think you should try your best to do whatever natural method you can.

00:16:07.260 But at the end of the day, like I don't think you should be ashamed if,

00:16:11.060 hey, you know what? That's not really working.

00:16:13.020 It's really hard to live in a complete natural world.

00:16:15.240 This seems to be the best method.

00:16:17.000 I mean, it's not really a method of, there's nothing, no one's trying to shame you.

00:16:21.920 But the point is to just acknowledge that, you know,

00:16:24.300 there are ways to do things naturally and they are the harder ways.

00:16:28.000 It is the harder route.

00:16:28.820 I think it's more just about acknowledging out the laziness of our generation,

00:16:32.100 which is there are so many easy options available.

00:16:34.260 And sometimes it's just a bit easier to go,

00:16:36.280 yeah, I'll take this because it will solve the symptoms immediately.

00:16:39.060 Instead of having to go through the months and perhaps years

00:16:41.900 of finding out what the underlying cause is.

00:16:43.880 Because the thing is, like potentially,

00:16:45.220 I've heard of women who've had this happen to them 1.00

00:16:47.200 where they've been on a certain type of birth control

00:16:49.160 and they say, I feel a lot better.

00:16:50.600 And that's because of all of the, like Christine said,

00:16:52.800 it's basically a plaster of your symptoms.

00:16:54.740 And then you come off it and you have the exact same symptoms

00:16:57.520 that you had in the first place

00:16:58.760 because you never did anything to actually heal what was going on.

00:17:02.300 And like Christine said, there's a lot that you can do naturally

00:17:04.460 to help your body and to heal

00:17:06.060 because you don't know the damage that you could be doing.

00:17:08.660 But it is, you know, I get that that's going to take up

00:17:12.160 a lot of time and energy and effort.

00:17:14.800 But I just think that we're selling this idea to women 1.00

00:17:17.680 that, you know, contraception can be used for all these good things.

00:17:20.600 It's like, okay, I hear what you're saying.

00:17:22.340 It can relieve symptoms,

00:17:23.840 but we can't ignore the fact that we're just talking about symptoms

00:17:27.400 that present on the surface.

00:17:28.860 None of this is actually tackling any underlying cause.

00:17:31.540 And unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

00:17:33.720 No one's going to talk about the underlying cause

00:17:35.340 because look, I've said it before, I'll say it again.

00:17:37.820 A sick patient is a returning customer

00:17:39.480 and that will continue to be the consensus for our society

00:17:42.760 because it's the world we live in.

00:17:43.760 Everything revolves around money.

00:17:45.280 Well, I think there's a couple of things to tackle here.

00:17:47.440 If this is reducing your symptoms for like,

00:17:50.180 let's say four to five years or for as long as you have it,

00:17:53.020 then you're technically not getting as frequently sick

00:17:55.400 as if you didn't have it, right?

00:17:56.840 So for example, let's say I did not have my IUD.

00:17:59.380 Okay, well then I have extreme cramps like every month.

00:18:02.280 I'm going to have to be constantly getting Advil, pain relief medication,

00:18:06.440 constantly buying more feminine products than when, if I have the IUD.

00:18:09.700 But do you see how you're going to is that when you have these issues,

00:18:12.400 okay, I need to go get Advil, I need to get this.

00:18:14.440 You'll go to, it's like you've been so programmed

00:18:16.940 that you can't see a way around something

00:18:19.440 other than to pump yourself with more drugs.

00:18:21.220 Well, the point that I'm trying to get across,

00:18:23.020 which I think goes back to your whole laziness comment,

00:18:25.120 is that if we lived in a world where, again,

00:18:29.140 there was no outside influence, sure, but we don't.

00:18:32.240 And I don't think it's fair that you can assign that to like laziness.

00:18:34.740 I think there's a systemic issue at play here.

00:18:37.220 Oh, no, I think we're all so lazy.

00:18:39.860 Oh, my.

00:18:40.940 Have you seen the 55-year-old, 60-year-old women? 1.00

00:18:45.700 I mean, compared to our generation,

00:18:47.620 they'll do the laundry, like they'll hand-dress.

00:18:50.440 Have you seen them just like get to work versus us?

00:18:53.800 We get our Uber Eats, they'll like cook for a house party of 12 and like 45. 0.98

00:18:59.200 That's crazy.

00:19:00.440 I think we are lazy.

00:19:01.760 I think we are absolutely lazier than the people before us.

00:19:06.300 Okay, I agree.

00:19:07.260 I can see what you're saying,

00:19:09.940 but I also think we have to take into consideration

00:19:11.880 that there's like, you know, like mega corporations out there

00:19:14.560 with a lot of money and power.

00:19:16.280 And like, I don't think it's fair to be like.

00:19:17.860 What do those have to do with us?

00:19:18.940 Well, we're talking about like hormones in the water.

00:19:21.000 We're talking about hormones in the food.

00:19:22.260 We're talking about things that affect our cycle.

00:19:24.320 And they are systemic levels.

00:19:25.960 But if you're saying that there's hormones in the food

00:19:27.040 and hormones in the water and all these things,

00:19:28.560 then why add more hormones on top of all the hormones

00:19:31.400 that we're already getting?

00:19:32.520 Well, the whole idea is that it's trying to reach a hormonal balance, right?

00:19:35.660 But it's not rechecking it.

00:19:36.720 It's just masking the symptom.

00:19:38.220 It's not treating the problem.

00:19:39.600 It's treating the problem by basically getting your hormonal levels

00:19:43.140 to the weight it's supposed to be at.

00:19:44.660 I think it's interesting because you're 24.

00:19:45.860 So it's interesting when you get, because I'm about to turn 27.

00:19:50.700 And I'm sure it's same, 31.

00:19:52.620 Yeah.

00:19:52.780 So you start to see like the chicks that were on birth control 1.00

00:19:56.100 for like 10 years really have.

00:19:58.120 And it's not something that I really think they're going to take an interest

00:20:01.220 in taking the time to like, I mean, do studies.

00:20:05.900 And like, they're not going to push this.

00:20:07.400 They're selling the stuff.

00:20:08.420 But it's like, I know so many chicks that are struggling to get pregnant now 1.00

00:20:11.640 in their late 20s and they had an IUD or they were on birth control for 10 years.

00:20:15.340 And this is just anecdotal.

00:20:16.480 Like, you can take it or leave it.

00:20:17.740 But it's, I just don't believe that stuff at all.

00:20:22.000 I think my problem with that is that there is a lot of more direct factors

00:20:25.380 that we actually have like consistently studied to show effects on fertility.

00:20:29.860 So for example, like microplastics are a really big thing

00:20:32.260 that shows effects on fertility. 0.83

00:20:33.960 And plastic is in everything.

00:20:34.640 I'll give you an example, okay?

00:20:36.700 So growing up, I had nannies.

00:20:39.220 So we would have nannies every like two years.

00:20:41.060 They would come in. 0.70

00:20:42.020 And I had one nanny.

00:20:42.960 I was so close with her.

00:20:44.560 I was literally like, she was, and she would have been such a great mom.

00:20:47.940 And she got like this shot that they recommended.

00:20:50.980 It was like to prevent STDs.

00:20:52.300 She can't have kids now. 1.00

00:20:53.060 And it's like directly from that shot.

00:20:55.020 Now, I know this is anecdotal, right?

00:20:56.840 I mean, you could say it's just a one-off.

00:20:58.520 But I guess I just know too many random people

00:21:00.820 that have had stuff like that happen for me to say

00:21:03.920 that didn't have anything to do with it.

00:21:06.180 Yeah, I guess my main question would be like,

00:21:08.120 what else do these random people have in common, right?

00:21:10.580 Are they consuming like a lot of plastic?

00:21:12.700 Do they live in the same area that might have had like...

00:21:15.500 Well, I mean, I've lived all over.

00:21:17.360 Do you know what I mean?

00:21:17.720 I live in England now.

00:21:19.000 I've lived...

00:21:19.580 And it's just like a weird thing starts happening

00:21:21.580 when you just interview so many people.

00:21:23.620 You just hear the same stories from different people.

00:21:26.400 It's like the girl I'm thinking of was from Germany.

00:21:29.080 You know, another girl I'm thinking of is from America.

00:21:32.680 But like the commonality was that they both had birth control.

00:21:35.720 Again, it's all anecdotal, right?

00:21:37.280 But...

00:21:37.800 Yeah, because I would argue like another commonality

00:21:39.900 is that they all probably use like plastic products, right?

00:21:42.700 Or like they...

00:21:43.340 So let me get this straight.

00:21:45.140 We think that the plastic water bottle

00:21:47.820 is the same as like turning off your fertility.

00:21:50.900 No, what I'm saying is that

00:21:52.520 there's like a lot of like clear evidence and data

00:21:54.640 that shows that the products that,

00:21:56.440 you know, like microplastics,

00:21:57.980 they get into our blood.

00:21:58.860 They like affect our like hormones.

00:22:00.240 They affect our fertility.

00:22:01.300 There's like clear...

00:22:02.420 There's more clear data showing other things

00:22:04.680 that we consume that have major effects on fertility.

00:22:06.920 I'm not doubting it.

00:22:08.140 But I just think there's some things

00:22:09.840 I can like get through common sense, right?

00:22:12.200 I mean, I think...

00:22:13.580 Just use a condom, guys, man.

00:22:15.220 No, I just think...

00:22:16.200 I think there's like...

00:22:17.000 There's things that are common sense, right?

00:22:18.920 And I just think it's common sense

00:22:20.280 if you turn off your fertility.

00:22:21.560 That's gonna be the biggest effect

00:22:23.480 that you could have on your fertility. 0.99

00:22:24.800 Well, I think...

00:22:26.400 What is it?

00:22:27.520 I mean, it depends on what type

00:22:29.300 of birth control you're using.

00:22:30.660 I think IUDs, most of them,

00:22:32.320 what they do is they kill the sperm. 0.92

00:22:33.920 So they're not really like affecting

00:22:35.540 like your inner...

00:22:37.040 What is it?

00:22:38.220 Shoving a piece of plastic up there?

00:22:40.320 Like, I don't know.

00:22:41.480 Weren't you just talking about microplastics?

00:22:43.620 I don't think all IUDs are made of like pure plastic

00:22:46.140 or the same type of plastic.

00:22:47.440 That's the majority, though.

00:22:47.860 That's the majority, though.

00:22:49.080 Yeah, but it's not the same.

00:22:51.000 No, there's one that's made...

00:22:52.140 There's one that's made of metal,

00:22:53.880 but like...

00:22:54.400 Metal, copper...

00:22:55.660 Yeah, and also...

00:22:56.420 It's not the most...

00:22:56.900 It's not the most common, though.

00:22:58.980 The more people get like the plastic one.

00:23:01.820 Yeah, I think...

00:23:03.040 What is it?

00:23:03.640 Again, there's different type of IUDs

00:23:05.340 so you can like work with your doctor

00:23:06.780 to find out which one you think is the best for you.

00:23:09.860 And on top of that, like...

00:23:11.720 Again, not all plastics are also created equal.

00:23:14.200 I'm talking about like the plastic in your water bottle.

00:23:16.600 Like there's different types of plastic out there as well.

00:23:18.780 Some are more likely to leak microplastics than others.

00:23:22.040 So you think that this is more...

00:23:24.640 Has more to do with infertility than birth control?

00:23:27.560 Not just your water bottle.

00:23:29.000 Think about everything you consume.

00:23:30.000 No, I'm asking.

00:23:30.900 I'm asking.

00:23:31.760 Like microplastics has more to do with infertility than birth control.

00:23:35.020 Yeah, like based on the available data directly.

00:23:37.760 You can laugh at it, but you guys can search it up.

00:23:40.220 It's pretty easy.

00:23:41.200 Google's a thing.

00:23:41.920 There's no denying that microplastics can affect your fertility.

00:23:44.680 But at the end of the day, you're pumping yourself with synthetic hormones.

00:23:48.340 You're pumping yourself every single day for 10 years

00:23:50.720 with synthetic hormones that are designed to turn off your fertility. 0.95

00:23:53.620 That is going to have a far greater effect on your life

00:23:56.660 than drinking from a plastic water bottle.

00:23:58.240 Well, that's not how every IUD works, right?

00:24:00.480 There's a variety.

00:24:01.840 A lot of them just kill the sperm before it enters. 0.99

00:24:04.640 Not every IUD is hormonal.

00:24:06.380 So if you don't want to do an hormonal IUD, that's okay too.

00:24:09.320 You can do a non-hormonal one.

00:24:10.840 Yeah, I just – because to me, I just go down to the basics.

00:24:14.460 I'm like, you're shoving a big piece of metal up there.

00:24:16.820 Like that just can't be good.

00:24:19.640 You know, I'm not – I don't – like that's the thing.

00:24:23.020 You just – you start to be around long enough.

00:24:25.660 Half of the research is funded by people that have an interest in lying to you about the research.

00:24:31.240 So half of it's like funded by the people that are making this stuff and selling it to you.

00:24:36.800 Why would I believe them?

00:24:37.900 That's like believing like the people that like sell toothpaste and they're like,

00:24:42.620 our dentist recommended this is the best one.

00:24:45.320 That's just how I think of it.

00:24:46.720 Yeah.

00:24:47.020 I think my main problem with that argument is that you can technically say that everybody's trying to sell some sort of product, right?

00:24:52.640 So you can be like, oh, people who are convincing you not to get IUDs are trying to convince you to have like, you know, children not safely.

00:24:59.940 So that you have to like buy more materials for your children.

00:25:02.240 Like they're trying to sell you diapers and baby products.

00:25:04.700 That's why I always say like for me personally, it's like the number one thing I think we can go about is like common sense and what we see in the real world.

00:25:11.360 And I just I just think like we've kind of lost as a society where it's like they want to convince you water isn't wet.

00:25:16.720 The sky isn't blue.

00:25:18.220 Yeah.

00:25:18.720 You know, and it's like I just to me, I don't see how pumping your body full of like just personally.

00:25:23.880 I can't see how pumping your body full of hormones and and messing with your natural fertility. 1.00

00:25:29.440 It just seems like that's going to have issues.

00:25:31.480 Yeah.

00:25:31.700 I hope it doesn't.

00:25:32.660 You know.

00:25:33.220 Yeah.

00:25:33.520 I think, again, if you feel like a hormonal IUD is too much for you because you have a copper too.

00:25:40.300 I'm like, I don't, that doesn't seem good. 0.99

00:25:42.940 That shit doesn't to me. 0.99

00:25:44.760 No, it's sensitive to copper. 0.99

00:25:48.640 Out of curiosity, do you feel like people should still have the freedom to choose it?

00:25:52.620 No, I'd ban it if it was in Pearl's world. 0.76

00:25:54.800 I'd get rid of it.

00:25:56.200 I have no, I have no power over this decision, you know, but personal opinion, I think it does more harm than good.

00:26:04.120 Okay.

00:26:04.760 Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about like all forms of birth control?

00:26:08.500 Yeah, I would ban it all.

00:26:09.940 Okay, I just, I think it's really interesting because like we were just having a conversation about like vasectomies and like how they can be useful when it comes to making sure you're having a children.

00:26:20.620 Oh, I would ban some other stuff too.

00:26:22.420 Like you can't just ban the birth control, okay?

00:26:24.760 I would ban, I have a whole list of like things I would ban.

00:26:28.020 Would you ban vasectomies?

00:26:28.920 Well, I would, but only, you know, hear me out, hear me out, hear me out, I would, but you have to ban divorce too.

00:26:35.080 Okay.

00:26:35.500 So if I ban divorce, like you can't do one or the other, it has to all go together.

00:26:40.000 So I would like ban the divorce.

00:26:41.920 I would ban all that.

00:26:42.980 This is just if I was like queen, you know, tomorrow.

00:26:45.600 I'm not, I have no, I have no say over this.

00:26:48.040 Can I ask you something?

00:26:49.140 Go for it.

00:26:50.340 So you're not on any contraception?

00:26:52.540 Are you on contraception at the moment?

00:26:54.240 Yeah, I have an IUD.

00:26:55.760 I got it for health purposes.

00:26:58.000 It's really, it changed my life for the better.

00:26:59.760 So do you never use condoms then?

00:27:03.340 That answers my question.

00:27:05.100 Okay.

00:27:07.080 I think everybody should use like as many forms of contraception as possible because that's just a safe thing, right? 0.92

00:27:15.720 You know, I want like to have children in the future.

00:27:18.360 I don't want to get an STD.

00:27:19.660 I think everybody should be safe.

00:27:21.660 Okay.

00:27:22.300 Okay.

00:27:22.800 Let's use condoms guys.

00:27:23.980 Skins all the way. 0.95

00:27:24.880 What do you, what do you guys think about the tweet?

00:27:30.140 What's you guys' opinion?

00:27:32.240 I think when it comes to vasectomy, I think it's like a, it's like a choice thing because I think for one of the things I've been listening is there is this expectation in society of what makes like what makes you a happier person or what makes you live a more fruitful life.

00:27:45.620 But I think no one really knows, right?

00:27:47.040 So obviously there is the being responsible, being responsible.

00:27:50.560 You have to make that choice.

00:27:52.300 Me personally, I've got children.

00:27:53.580 So, and I want to have, you know, a lot more children.

00:27:55.920 So naturally from a personal standpoint, it's like, okay, I'm not, I wouldn't do a vasectomy.

00:28:00.280 However, I wouldn't feel like, you know, I know enough to say to someone, don't ever do that because you'll make you feel unhappy because I don't know that.

00:28:07.420 I've never done it myself.

00:28:08.440 So I think with the tweet, I think naturally you've acknowledged you've been provocative, but, you know, by mentioning it.

00:28:14.160 Yeah.

00:28:14.500 And the fact you haven't got it yourself is quite telling, you know, what, you know, tweeting it and having it.

00:28:18.380 So I don't know.

00:28:18.820 I think it's kind of a preference thing.

00:28:20.220 Well, I don't swim in the sea every morning either.

00:28:24.300 So, you know, I don't know if that makes it better or worse.

00:28:27.060 That would be awesome.

00:28:29.160 No, I would love to.

00:28:30.220 I would love to swim in the sea every morning.

00:28:31.940 I think in an ideal world, I would swim in the sea every morning.

00:28:34.580 But, I mean, you know, if we want to go to the letter of the law, if you look at the phrasing of the tweet, it doesn't say these are the things I've done to make me a high value man.

00:28:42.100 I've said it's a proposition.

00:28:43.720 It's a notional proposition of some factors that could add up to a high value man of which the vasectomy was, you know, a little bit jokey.

00:28:51.080 I mean, if I'd have known it was going to hit 1.2 million or whatever it is, I probably might have rethought it a little bit.

00:28:55.900 But, you know, at the same time, at the same time, I do think guys, you know, should be allowed to have that autonomy if they want to.

00:29:03.540 I don't see why there should be any problem with that, really.

00:29:06.720 Yeah, I'm a little bit confused about why you would ban it completely or why you would ban vasectomies and, like, birth control.

00:29:14.600 Can you elaborate more on that?

00:29:16.520 Oh, I just I think it does more harm than good.

00:29:18.480 I think we have, like, a collapsing birth rate, like, problem, and I just I think family I have I have weird views on this, right?

00:29:26.340 I think family is good.

00:29:28.260 I think marriage is good.

00:29:29.680 But I think that the way we do it today, like, I just think it's unfair to men.

00:29:34.000 And so I think we should get rid of birth control.

00:29:37.280 I think, one, it gives us all these hormonal issues.

00:29:40.720 Two, we're not having as many kids as we used to have.

00:29:44.940 And three, I want I also think it's kind of weaponized against men.

00:29:51.120 A lot of times, like, women lie about being on it, not being on it. 1.00

00:29:53.940 I think that's unfair.

00:29:56.320 But, yeah, I just I don't think it's a net good for society.

00:29:59.580 So I would ban it.

00:30:00.560 But that's just my opinion.

00:30:02.060 Yeah, I think I mean, obviously, we're all well, I'm in disagreement with you guys when it comes to like the hormonal issues.

00:30:08.000 But I do think when it comes to what you're talking about, like collapsing birth rate, a lot of people talk about it as it's like this inherently bad thing.

00:30:15.260 But I don't really think of it that way.

00:30:17.360 And the reason why I don't think of it that way is because having lots of children isn't good if those children aren't being raised right.

00:30:25.340 Right. If those children are in like bad economic scenarios, if you're just having a lot of children to have a lot of children,

00:30:31.040 you're not going to be able to have enough time or money to give them the attention and care that they need.

00:30:35.900 I think in a lot of Western countries, you see like a lower birth rate.

00:30:39.500 But in return, you see like a higher quality of life for a lot of these children compared to other places.

00:30:44.120 I disagree. I think we'd have less mental health problems if that was true.

00:30:48.560 Because what I see is more mental health issues in Western countries.

00:30:52.580 I think what's much more likely is that in Western countries, you can actually get properly diagnosed while in developing countries.

00:30:58.840 Like everything is so messed up there that it's hard to get a proper diagnosis, much less afford to go to a doctor, much less like afford to get.

00:31:05.680 Have you spent a lot of time in developing countries?

00:31:08.580 I mean, I yeah, I would argue.

00:31:11.400 OK. I mean, I would argue or yes.

00:31:14.420 I mean, I went to Colombia for like a mission trip the other like a few months ago to help with like doctors.

00:31:19.620 They're translating English and Spanish.

00:31:22.160 And your and your like conclusion was that they had mental health issues.

00:31:25.820 They just didn't know it.

00:31:26.560 Oh, my my conclusion is basically like if you're living in a low quality life, you're going to have mental issues no matter what.

00:31:34.240 But yeah, like there's also been like data researching this.

00:31:37.280 Sorry, what would you class as a low quality life?

00:31:39.920 Having trouble affording food, basic necessities, not being able to afford treatment for like mental health or physical health either.

00:31:50.180 Having like trouble.

00:31:51.460 So what countries have a low quality like what what countries would you say the majority?

00:31:56.900 You can probably like search up an index online right now.

00:32:00.140 I would argue like a lot of African countries.

00:32:02.260 I would argue a lot of like countries in South America.

00:32:05.280 Oh, I mean, I think, you know, to be obviously your entire opinion.

00:32:12.980 But I think, too, so Colombia, is that the only like country you've gone to that would say is like developing?

00:32:18.320 I've been to the Dominican Republic.

00:32:20.360 I've been to Costa Rica.

00:32:21.700 I think considering like I think me personally, I think considering how big the world is, like to have such a like, you know, generalized statement, I think you would like it would require traveling more and just experiencing it more.

00:32:31.080 So I think because because it can become a dangerous rhetoric to say that from going to a few places and one of the things you referenced was, oh, you could check the index online.

00:32:38.200 And I don't think that's like a representative of how those countries are conduct, like what's going on over there.

00:32:42.920 Like maybe you should take a trip to more places and just have a look.

00:32:45.620 OK, I have a I have a genuine question for you guys.

00:32:48.320 Do you think that not being able to have food, water, access to like health means that your quality of life is going to be peachy and OK?

00:32:57.460 Do you not think those things are relevant when you're determining the value of life by your materialistic, consumeristic possessions instead of health is not consumer.

00:33:08.440 Health is literally how you feel about your body.

00:33:11.760 How many drugs you can pump into your body.

00:33:13.340 That is not my definition of health.

00:33:14.960 My definition of health is whether you're getting the basic nutrients to like survive and not be like near death.

00:33:20.120 That's my definition of health.

00:33:21.820 Western countries are obese.

00:33:24.880 So like less healthy.

00:33:27.320 No, but I just said that they're like they would have issues because they're less healthy, but we're less healthy.

00:33:33.060 OK, at least when it comes to obesity, you can like lose that weight.

00:33:38.200 It's difficult, but it's a lot harder.

00:33:40.620 Or what is it?

00:33:41.360 They don't like I mean, you can statistically like there's a very big difference between like, hey, you know, you're overweight and you can lose it versus you're not having access to clean water.

00:33:50.920 You know, like these are vastly different things.

00:33:53.160 Like one is actually much easier to remedy than the other.

00:33:57.260 What where do they like?

00:33:58.460 Where would you say they don't have access to clean water?

00:34:01.180 Because didn't you say we don't have clean water either?

00:34:03.600 I mean, there's a difference between like water that's going to give you like parasites and like, you know, like bacterial problems versus like water that might have like a few hormones in there.

00:34:14.560 Like there's a very big difference between those two, I would say.

00:34:16.960 So I have a question.

00:34:18.520 When you travel to wherever you travel to where you saw where they have water that have parasites, was it like the whole city of like where you went to or was it like a fringe little village?

00:34:28.520 Well, what is it?

00:34:30.660 I mean, in a lot of countries, they recommend for you to like not drink the water without a filter because drinking the water like can give you those problems.

00:34:39.540 I visited the Wayu people, which is like a whole like basically northern area of Colombia.

00:34:45.640 Their population is like over a million people.

00:34:48.080 But yeah.

00:34:49.380 And they I mean, they recommended not to drink the water in general.

00:34:52.920 The population of over a million people, one, according to you, are living in poverty.

00:34:57.980 They have mental health issues and then they are malnourished.

00:35:02.480 Yeah.

00:35:03.400 One million people, I think, or a number similar to that.

00:35:07.140 And it's not just there.

00:35:08.520 Right.

00:35:09.000 We there's global poverty is a thing that exists.

00:35:12.160 Right.

00:35:12.440 Like we're not going to pretend that it is like, OK, so those one million people are living in poverty.

00:35:17.540 They have health issues.

00:35:19.080 They have mental health issues. 0.98

00:35:20.180 They have bad water. 0.99

00:35:21.560 And yet they seem to still thrive.

00:35:24.780 And there's no widespread disease in that area.

00:35:26.760 There's no like farming.

00:35:28.500 It's the opposite.

00:35:29.300 There is widespread disease in that area. 0.95

00:35:32.280 There's a bunch of people who have parasites, a bunch of children who have parasites.

00:35:36.340 It's really sad, actually. 0.74

00:35:38.740 You know, you know, I'm going to say, I think to be fair to you, you're trying to you're trying to empathize.

00:35:42.480 However, I think you're operating with limited information.

00:35:45.200 Very limited.

00:35:46.380 Especially when you mentioned Africa, because.

00:35:48.260 100 percent.

00:35:48.620 So, yeah, it's just what I noticed about Americans.

00:35:52.400 You guys live in such a bubble.

00:35:53.660 You think that America is the only place that has technology or has the answer to life.

00:36:01.120 The reality is what you are speaking about when you are talking about Africans that live in poverty and all of that.

00:36:06.460 The thing is, you haven't actually spoken to these people.

00:36:09.020 You haven't actually had discussions with these people.

00:36:11.200 The truth is, most people that live in a family, a family unit, no matter what their economic status is, are usually happier than people that live the way you live.

00:36:22.040 And I'm speaking about this from personal experience.

00:36:25.500 I grew up in an estate where it was literally like a family unit where in that little environment where we live, there were like more than a thousand different apartments.

00:36:39.860 And we all saw each other as family.

00:36:41.840 We all grew up together.

00:36:43.020 We weren't necessarily the richest people in the world, but we all thrived.

00:36:47.540 I'm here today.

00:36:48.180 As many of you know, I was just banned on TikTok.

00:36:51.340 And we are demonetized on a daily basis on this platform.

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JustPearlyThings - October 11, 2023

She was MOCKED for Defending Feminism Blindly

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