JustPearlyThings - Should Christians Forgive Pure Evil？ (Call-In Show)

00:00:00.000 ombre of a topic, so I just, I didn't really feel like starting with the music today. I just,

00:00:06.820 I didn't really have a song for this one, so please forgive me. But thank you guys for tuning

00:00:11.320 in. A couple updates on the channel. The first is we are in the works for this divorce documentary,

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00:00:22.980 and put in the documentary. So what we're actually looking at now when it comes to the

00:00:30.940 divorce documentary, the concept of it is what's in it for men. And essentially what we're trying

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00:01:12.260 theaudacitynetwork.com. Okay. So today we're talking about how we're kind of going to be going over

00:01:22.780 Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk's speech when it comes to the memorial of Charlie Kirk. Now I do want

00:01:32.340 to start this show by saying this is not a conversation that's meant to be judgmental. I do consider this to

00:01:38.020 be a safe space on my channel. So what meaning I don't judge any opinion. And my hope is that you

00:01:45.940 are not judgmental of mine. Obviously, this is the internet. I understand what comes with this.

00:01:50.840 But I have no hatred in my heart towards any of these women. But I just know there's a section

00:01:57.280 of America and really of Twitter kind of watching this go on that kind of feels this way.

00:02:05.500 Okay. Okay. So we're going to start with watching Erica's speech. So we're going to listen to some

00:02:19.180 of Erica Kirk's memorial speech for Charlie. So let's go.

00:02:26.880 But there was something else too.

00:02:28.880 Even in death, I could see the man that I love.

00:02:34.760 Let me go a little, let me go a little here.

00:02:38.140 11 days ago, God accepted that total surrender from my husband and then called him to his side.

00:02:59.620 More than anything, Charlie wanted to do, not his will, but God's will.

00:03:07.240 And over these past 11 days, through all the pain, never before have I found as much comfort.

00:03:17.320 Lord. Okay. So the individual, thank you for signing up for our memberships.

00:03:23.000 At some point, we might do members only shows. We're not doing that right now. But feel free

00:03:26.680 to sign up if you want.

00:03:27.860 As I now do, in the words of our Lord's Prayer,

00:03:33.240 thy will be done.

00:03:47.320 God's love was revealed to me on the very day my husband was murdered.

00:03:54.600 On the afternoon of September 10th, I arrived at a Utah hospital to do the unthinkable.

00:04:02.280 To look directly at my husband's murdered body.

00:04:06.760 I saw the wound that ended his life.

00:04:13.880 I felt everything you would expect to feel.

00:04:18.680 I felt shock.

00:04:21.400 I felt horror.

00:04:24.360 And a level of heartache that I didn't even know existed.

00:04:30.680 But there was something else too.

00:04:38.520 Even in death, I could see the man that I love.

00:04:46.120 I saw the one single gray hair on the side of his head, which I never told him about.

00:04:55.480 Now he knows.

00:04:57.000 Sorry baby, telling you now, but never told him.

00:05:00.440 Didn't want to.

00:05:04.360 I also saw this.

00:05:07.560 I also saw on his lips, the faintest smile.

00:05:15.000 And that told me something important.

00:05:16.600 It revealed to me a great mercy from God in this tragedy.

00:05:26.280 When I saw that, it told me that Charlie didn't suffer.

00:05:32.680 Even the doctor told me.

00:05:35.400 It was something so instant that even if Charlie had been shot in the operating room, it's itself.

00:05:41.960 So I just have a couple observations.

00:05:46.040 Now, these observations, I am not excited that I'm going to be the one to point these out.

00:05:51.240 I'm really not.

00:05:52.100 I kind of feel like a bad person.

00:05:53.320 Maybe I shouldn't be, right?

00:05:55.940 I mean, who am I?

00:05:56.900 But this is a conversation happening on the internet, and I think it's going through a lot of people's minds.

00:06:06.340 That it's almost like they're turning this death into, it just doesn't, it's just, it doesn't seem

00:06:20.420 like the attention is respectful, in a way, when it's like stadiums full of people.

00:06:36.900 And I'm going to verbalize this a little bit better.

00:06:40.200 Hold on.

00:06:41.980 Nothing could have been done.

00:06:44.780 Yeah, it almost, someone put it in the chat.

00:06:47.040 It's like men, whenever I'm blanking, they just give me the answer.

00:06:50.420 Um, you know, yeah, it almost seems like nobody cared about it.

00:06:56.460 And I know maybe there's a side of YouTube that's saying everyone's showing they cared.

00:07:00.760 They're showing up, they're filling stadiums.

00:07:03.360 Um, but it just, it's just kind of an odd way to go about it.

00:07:08.660 It's almost like it didn't even happen.

00:07:10.640 Um, when everybody's, nobody seems like, and people grieve in different ways, so I don't know.

00:07:20.240 I don't know any of these people personally, but just a lot of these speeches, they come off as performative.

00:07:26.080 Like, this doesn't look like a woman who lost her husband 10 days ago, I think would be the best way to put it.

00:07:32.140 Um, and I don't know, maybe I'm the only crazy person for getting this, for having this opinion.

00:07:38.860 That's very possible.

00:07:40.300 It could, and I don't have any hatred in my heart towards her.

00:07:43.240 But, um, it's just, when I was listening to this speech, it just didn't really seem like the focus of the speech was Charlie.

00:07:55.900 And when I'm really looking at this movement, it almost seems like Erica has been put in the front of the conservative movement now.

00:08:04.580 It almost seems like she's kind of the new god of conservative.

00:08:09.580 Like, it's almost, this almost seems like an Erica worship fest in a way, the way people are reacting on Twitter.

00:08:17.160 And I say this with no malice in my heart, right?

00:08:20.060 I really, I really don't.

00:08:21.520 But I think when you acknowledge gender, like the differences in the genders and what each gender has proclivities to, you can see issues when you're putting a woman in front.

00:08:34.300 You know, as we've said on this channel, women really aren't meant to lead movements.

00:08:38.320 We're not really meant to be in charge of things.

00:08:40.740 We don't do well with it.

00:08:41.860 In general, not all, not all.

00:08:44.920 Um, and so I just wonder if people are really looking out for Erica's best interest.

00:08:51.560 It almost seems like, you know, is this really the best position to put a grieving widow in who lost her husband 10 days ago in like a Super Bowl stadium?

00:09:08.000 Maybe it is, right?

00:09:08.940 Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just full of it.

00:09:11.160 I don't know.

00:09:11.640 Um, but I think that's where a lot of people's minds are going towards.

00:09:21.640 I think that's what a lot of people are thinking.

00:09:28.900 And I'm going to be the one to say it because I, you know, I'm really just trying to have the conversation here.

00:09:35.100 Yeah, what did the, what did the widows of JFK, RFK, and MLK do?

00:09:41.920 They, they kind of faded into the background.

00:09:43.820 He's right.

00:09:44.720 And this has almost become like an Erica worship fest.

00:09:47.920 And it doesn't really surprise me, I guess, knowing her background, um, uh, she always came off to me as a, uh, an attention seeking woman.

00:09:59.760 Like she always wanted to be in the spotlight.

00:10:01.660 Now, look, who have I to say that, right?

00:10:03.520 I have a show, you know, I, this isn't meant to be judgmental, but if I'm observing, you know, this is a widow that's got two young kids at home.

00:10:12.940 Um, are conservatives really looking at her and her family's best interests by saying, here's a 300 bajillion dollar organization that you're the CEO of?

00:10:29.940 Is it really in her best interest that, you know, to have this like scripted performance?

00:10:34.660 It just doesn't seem real to me.

00:10:36.340 Um, now again.

00:10:42.940 Um, you know, maybe this is what he would have wanted.

00:10:46.960 I don't know.

00:10:49.700 No agony.

00:10:50.400 One moment, Charlie was doing what he loved, arguing and debating on campus, fighting for the gospel and truth in front of a big crowd.

00:11:06.820 And then he blinked.

00:11:08.120 He blinked and saw his savior in paradise.

00:11:28.040 And all the heavenly mysteries were revealed to him.

00:11:30.680 God's love continued to be revealed to me in the days that followed the next day on the tarmac in Air Force Two.

00:11:49.520 I confronted Usha Vance, precious woman.

00:11:53.240 I held her hand and I told her, honestly, I do not know how I'm going to get through this.

00:12:03.420 Pearl, do you think she's faking it?

00:12:05.580 Well, if I'm being honest, it really comes off that way.

00:12:11.780 I hate that I'm having that thought.

00:12:15.080 I almost, I almost feel guilty for having that thought.

00:12:18.520 Because it seems, it seems like it's almost immoral to think that, you know, of a grieving widow.

00:12:24.300 But I just wonder, what is the purpose?

00:12:31.840 What is the purpose of, you know, drawing all this attention to a grieving widow?

00:12:38.100 You know, it doesn't seem like his best friends were doing that.

00:12:42.400 You know, because it just seems like we'd want the attention on the husband.

00:12:50.980 I don't like that I'm thinking of it like this.

00:12:53.700 But if I'm really being honest, that's how it comes across to me.

00:12:58.320 And I really, I want to, and I had some notes here.

00:13:02.860 I want to reiterate what the issue you get when you put women as the heads of a lot of these movements.

00:13:09.680 The challenge you get a lot, and you're going to, kind of going to see this in the speech,

00:13:15.780 is that women, we have a tendency to misquote the Bible.

00:13:19.740 We have a tendency to just get things wrong.

00:13:22.400 And Christian women have a tendency to get power and just turn it into a nagging session on men.

00:13:33.400 And even in this speech, which you would think would be like an inveterance to Charlie,

00:13:38.120 that it would just be, you know, it would only, like I would think it would just be positive things about Charlie.

00:13:43.460 It even turns into nagging men.

00:13:48.800 And I hate, I hate, I hate that I have to be the one.

00:13:53.400 I don't like that I'm saying this.

00:13:55.420 It feels in, in portail.

00:13:57.700 Maybe, maybe I'm wrong for it.

00:14:00.120 But, you know, I just got to be honest where that's how it comes across.

00:14:09.540 It came across as victim here.

00:14:11.640 I would put her in charge.

00:14:12.860 Left will have a hard time making fun of a widow.

00:14:16.180 A strong, independent woman, mother.

00:14:17.920 Even Tyler Robinson would think twice.

00:14:20.320 Major plot armor around her.

00:14:24.100 I don't think it'll turn out well.

00:14:27.020 I don't.

00:14:28.160 You could say, you know, because this is the political arena, okay?

00:14:33.860 Are you really looking out for her best interests?

00:14:38.120 Let's, let's, let's say we want Erica to do, we want those kids to be raised well.

00:14:44.220 Are we really looking out in her best interest by putting her in charge of a giant organization

00:14:49.680 so that we can't be made fun of as hard?

00:14:57.060 Yeah, so let me just, I'll continue.

00:14:58.960 She told me something.

00:15:05.560 She said, you know when you're on an airplane with your kids and it's the last 15 minutes of the flight

00:15:14.460 and things are crazy, kids are not cooperating, toys are flying everywhere and everyone's screaming

00:15:20.420 and you think to yourself, I cannot wait for this flight to land

00:15:25.340 and it's 15 minutes before you land.

00:15:31.760 And she told me, you will get through these 15 minutes

00:15:35.700 and the next 15 minutes after that.

00:15:41.820 Rousha, I don't think you realized it then

00:15:44.400 but those words were exactly what I needed to hear.

00:15:47.860 Yeah, and you guys are putting it, somebody's going to be raising the kids

00:15:52.780 and it's going to be nannies.

00:15:54.000 And I was a nanny kid guy.

00:15:55.460 I think I had 20 something nannies growing up if I had to guess.

00:16:00.140 I can't even, I could not name them all.

00:16:02.200 I had so many.

00:16:03.140 I literally could not name them all.

00:16:05.000 And it's very difficult for children to have these rotating women

00:16:08.780 that just come in and out and in and out and in and out.

00:16:12.260 And, you know, and I'd like to say

00:16:16.680 I do think there are some jobs that women can do

00:16:21.560 while being a mom.

00:16:23.740 I am the first one to say that

00:16:25.460 but leading a multi-million dollar organization

00:16:29.160 you know, a lot of people are coming at me

00:16:30.820 and they're saying, Pearl, you're just jealous.

00:16:33.400 You know, I had a team of 20 people at one point

00:16:37.860 and that was the worst time of my life.

00:16:40.380 No, that's dramatic.

00:16:41.580 Sorry, I should sound more grateful.

00:16:43.460 But I did, I'll just say this plainly.

00:16:45.880 I did not enjoy that.

00:16:47.260 It was not the right, I didn't mean for it to get that big.

00:16:54.240 So, you know, I just, I'm trying to facilitate.

00:16:58.940 I don't like that I'm, I don't, I don't like

00:17:01.420 I think there's a little fear in my voice treading on this.

00:17:03.940 I don't like that, but, you know

00:17:07.700 I'm trying to be as respectful as I possibly can

00:17:11.100 but I foresee there will be problems.

00:17:15.100 You know, when you give a woman power

00:17:17.640 even a grieving widow

00:17:18.880 we have a tendency to not be the best with it.

00:17:22.680 And I don't really think worshipping her

00:17:25.540 is going to lead to good things.

00:17:27.940 I would predict it's really

00:17:30.480 and I'm going to wait and see

00:17:31.600 I could be wrong

00:17:32.640 but the ego

00:17:35.660 when women get excess praise

00:17:37.680 the ego that builds

00:17:39.860 can sometimes lead us

00:17:41.620 to making very stupid decisions

00:17:43.920 that are not in our best interest.

00:17:48.780 I mean, there's a reason

00:17:50.140 there's a reason we like the bad boy

00:17:52.780 nobody ever tells us no ever

00:17:54.240 except him.

00:17:57.020 But most of all

00:17:58.080 God's mercy and God's love

00:17:59.660 have been revealed to me

00:18:01.060 these past 10 days

00:18:02.220 after Charlie's assassination

00:18:05.580 we didn't see violence

00:18:07.600 we didn't see rioting

00:18:11.500 all right, someone put Charlie as alive

00:18:19.080 we are not with these conspiracy theories here

00:18:21.620 you know what, I'm sorry

00:18:23.160 I need you to exit my chat

00:18:26.100 if you really think he's still alive

00:18:28.060 you just, you're not

00:18:29.880 there needs to be like an IQ

00:18:32.520 over a certain threshold to be here

00:18:35.320 and you just need to go

00:18:39.140 like we can't be

00:18:40.400 she is practically a soldier

00:18:42.620 now, you are right

00:18:43.400 but going into exile

00:18:44.540 would let the left win

00:18:46.100 I disagree with that

00:18:47.740 there are competent, smart, intelligent men

00:18:51.120 that can take that role

00:18:52.460 there are

00:18:54.180 I mean, you don't think Charlie

00:18:56.040 had a right-hand man at work

00:18:57.560 now, a lot of people are saying

00:19:01.560 but Pearl, she's just the figurehead

00:19:03.540 I think that's really dangerous

00:19:05.780 actually

00:19:06.560 just in general

00:19:07.960 I mean, I've seen what that does

00:19:12.460 when women are in charge

00:19:13.660 and then men do all the work

00:19:15.100 the ego that builds

00:19:16.220 I don't think you're really looking out

00:19:19.300 for her best interest by doing that

00:19:21.140 that means

00:19:21.760 that means she is still going to have

00:19:24.540 major decision-making power

00:19:26.300 in the company

00:19:27.040 and if she's at home raising the kids

00:19:29.240 you cannot make good decisions

00:19:30.940 in a company without knowing

00:19:32.180 specifically what's going on

00:19:34.300 and I'll tell you

00:19:35.560 I had this problem

00:19:36.660 when I was in England

00:19:39.100 and I could say

00:19:40.120 this was

00:19:40.620 guys, this was like

00:19:41.940 I don't know how many people

00:19:43.280 I'd have to look back

00:19:44.340 but 20 people tops

00:19:45.640 this was a small

00:19:46.800 this was not a big number of people

00:19:49.700 but a challenge is

00:19:51.940 if you don't kind of

00:19:53.140 really understand

00:19:55.720 every part of the business

00:19:57.300 people just do nothing

00:20:00.380 I mean, that's like

00:20:01.380 the best way to put it

00:20:02.220 people just

00:20:02.920 Doug MPA told me this today

00:20:06.520 he said those who can't

00:20:07.820 or don't have

00:20:08.500 I think it was like

00:20:09.060 those who don't have to

00:20:10.040 won't

00:20:10.540 and

00:20:12.420 I

00:20:13.060 I don't even really like women

00:20:17.120 in figurehead positions

00:20:19.500 I don't

00:20:20.300 I don't think that's

00:20:22.980 the greatest idea

00:20:24.480 I foresee

00:20:28.420 that there is going to be

00:20:29.580 issues with it

00:20:30.300 Tucker

00:20:30.720 I don't know if Tucker would

00:20:32.460 because Tucker was always

00:20:33.400 an employee

00:20:34.000 it's a very different skill set

00:20:35.540 like talking on camera

00:20:37.220 than

00:20:39.240 running an organization

00:20:41.520 those are two

00:20:42.440 I would say

00:20:43.360 Ben Shapiro

00:20:44.160 would be the best one

00:20:45.120 I could think of

00:20:46.000 or even that guy

00:20:47.780 the Jeremy Boring guy

00:20:48.980 I mean

00:20:49.320 those are just the names

00:20:50.780 I know

00:20:51.280 I'm sure there's people

00:20:52.160 in the industry

00:20:52.780 that are better

00:20:53.400 okay wait

00:20:58.840 we didn't see revolution

00:21:05.360 instead we saw

00:21:08.320 what my husband

00:21:09.040 always prayed

00:21:10.200 he would see

00:21:11.280 in this country

00:21:12.080 we saw revival

00:21:13.680 I know

00:21:16.480 we're going to get

00:21:17.100 to the question

00:21:17.820 of the pure evil

00:21:18.800 we're just going to get

00:21:19.680 to that part of the speech

00:21:20.800 this past week

00:21:34.120 we saw people

00:21:34.880 open a bible

00:21:35.720 for the first time

00:21:36.680 in a decade

00:21:37.240 we saw people

00:21:39.560 pray for the first time

00:21:40.820 since they were children

00:21:41.820 we saw people

00:21:44.060 go to a church service

00:21:45.340 for the first time

00:21:46.260 in their entire lives

00:21:47.460 Charlie liked to journal

00:22:00.580 and I say this

00:22:02.940 because

00:22:03.420 he did it

00:22:04.900 to remember

00:22:05.340 important moments

00:22:06.320 and sayings

00:22:06.920 that affected him

00:22:07.780 so I'm listening

00:22:09.940 to the speech

00:22:10.660 so far

00:22:11.280 and it just seems

00:22:12.100 to be

00:22:12.660 it seems to be

00:22:14.800 more about the movement

00:22:16.000 than about Charlie

00:22:17.040 thus far

00:22:17.760 and that's just

00:22:18.680 what I noticed

00:22:19.480 that's what I noticed

00:22:20.860 in a lot of the speeches

00:22:21.840 the attention

00:22:23.300 seemed to be drawn

00:22:24.300 to the movement

00:22:25.060 not who he was

00:22:25.980 as a person

00:22:26.640 and again

00:22:28.040 maybe that's what

00:22:29.000 he would have wanted

00:22:29.620 it's very possible

00:22:30.620 I mean

00:22:31.340 I could see him

00:22:32.000 wanting that

00:22:32.600 so I could be

00:22:33.660 you know

00:22:34.580 completely wrong

00:22:35.680 in saying this

00:22:36.560 but that's where

00:22:37.720 my head goes

00:22:38.740 and one of the things

00:22:40.620 he wrote in his journal

00:22:41.760 was this

00:22:43.160 every time

00:22:47.960 you make a decision

00:22:49.380 it puts a mark

00:22:52.000 on your soul

00:22:52.960 to those of you

00:22:56.940 out there

00:22:58.660 who just made

00:22:59.440 that decision

00:23:00.120 and took the first step

00:23:03.960 toward a spiritual life

00:23:05.220 I say thank you

00:23:08.120 and welcome

00:23:08.920 one day I hope

00:23:19.780 you look back

00:23:20.680 and realize

00:23:21.640 it was the most important

00:23:22.860 decision of your life

00:23:24.060 because it is

00:23:25.700 all of you

00:23:29.020 all of you

00:23:32.680 who are already believers

00:23:34.000 it is your job

00:23:35.440 to shepherd

00:23:36.000 these people

00:23:36.780 do not take that lightly

00:23:39.700 water the seed

00:23:42.720 of their faith

00:23:43.620 protect it

00:23:46.440 and help it grow

00:23:47.440 every day

00:23:51.820 as Charlie

00:23:52.500 rode into the office

00:23:54.200 he would go

00:23:56.440 through his contact list

00:23:57.820 and I know

00:23:58.700 there's many of you

00:23:59.860 who were impacted

00:24:01.220 by this

00:24:01.860 he would go

00:24:02.620 through his contact list

00:24:03.860 and send Bible verses

00:24:05.200 for the day

00:24:06.140 he knew that faith

00:24:08.760 was a habit

00:24:09.480 the more you live it

00:24:12.160 the more it grows

00:24:13.140 but know this too

00:24:16.560 the seed has only just

00:24:20.460 been planted

00:24:21.000 the enemy will tempt you

00:24:24.940 the most

00:24:26.840 in a time like this one

00:24:28.200 God will always be there

00:24:31.080 for you

00:24:31.440 but you must choose

00:24:32.780 to mark your soul

00:24:34.680 again

00:24:36.320 and again

00:24:37.820 in the direction

00:24:39.040 of Christ

00:24:40.160 pray again

00:24:50.240 read the Bible again

00:24:52.580 go to church

00:24:54.180 next Sunday

00:24:55.200 and the Sunday

00:24:56.520 after that

00:24:57.320 and break free

00:24:58.680 from the temptations

00:24:59.780 and shackles

00:25:00.560 of this world

00:25:01.460 being a follower

00:25:12.620 of Christ

00:25:13.220 is not easy

00:25:14.160 it's not supposed to be

00:25:16.840 Jesus said

00:25:19.440 if anyone

00:25:20.000 would come after me

00:25:21.560 let him deny himself

00:25:23.020 take up his cross

00:25:24.440 and follow me

00:25:25.340 he said he would be

00:25:29.320 persecuted

00:25:29.900 he said we would be

00:25:31.080 persecuted

00:25:31.680 and Charlie knew

00:25:32.700 that and happily

00:25:34.100 carried his cross

00:25:35.180 all the way to the end

00:25:36.540 and I want all of you

00:25:41.000 to know

00:25:41.520 while Charlie died

00:25:45.080 far too early

00:25:46.240 he was also ready to die

00:25:49.260 there was nothing

00:25:52.240 nothing

00:25:53.440 he was putting off

00:25:54.620 there was nothing

00:25:56.120 that was too hard

00:25:57.020 or too painful

00:25:57.920 or nothing

00:25:59.620 that he just felt

00:26:00.660 like he didn't

00:26:01.580 want to do it

00:26:02.660 he left this world

00:26:05.080 without regrets

00:26:06.020 he did 100%

00:26:09.780 of what he could

00:26:10.380 every day

00:26:10.900 but I want you

00:26:13.700 to know something

00:26:14.540 Charlie died

00:26:18.180 with incomplete

00:26:19.300 work

00:26:19.920 but not

00:26:22.080 and so

00:26:22.380 it just seems

00:26:26.740 like the attention

00:26:28.040 is on

00:26:28.800 Christianity

00:26:30.400 as a whole

00:26:31.600 his

00:26:33.560 the movement

00:26:34.460 it just

00:26:35.000 it

00:26:38.200 it seems

00:26:39.400 like

00:26:40.600 I just haven't

00:26:41.740 heard a ton

00:26:42.600 about who he was

00:26:43.960 as a person

00:26:44.740 and that's really

00:26:47.520 I think

00:26:48.100 what is maybe

00:26:49.060 off-putting

00:26:50.060 about a lot

00:26:51.360 of what I've seen

00:26:52.560 post his death

00:26:53.760 you know

00:26:54.640 I mean

00:26:54.920 I saw people

00:26:55.600 running ads

00:26:56.780 you know

00:26:58.900 I saw Megyn Kelly

00:26:59.880 they had a clip

00:27:00.680 today

00:27:01.080 and

00:27:02.260 it was talking

00:27:04.180 about Charlie

00:27:05.460 and then

00:27:06.620 there

00:27:06.820 it's like

00:27:07.700 they cut

00:27:08.340 to an ad

00:27:09.340 about gold

00:27:10.040 and I'm thinking

00:27:10.820 are you crazy

00:27:13.280 like

00:27:14.240 I

00:27:16.800 do you know

00:27:17.560 and I

00:27:18.040 I don't know

00:27:18.800 maybe I'm wrong

00:27:20.440 for feeling like this

00:27:21.640 but

00:27:21.960 you know

00:27:23.160 that's just how

00:27:23.780 it comes off

00:27:24.520 if I'm being honest

00:27:25.500 I'm finished business

00:27:27.280 guys

00:27:30.960 you just are not

00:27:32.020 going to convince me

00:27:32.780 that the assassin

00:27:33.900 went through a tunnel

00:27:34.900 this is not the day

00:27:36.200 this is not the day

00:27:38.920 okay

00:27:39.440 but I will miss him

00:27:50.400 I will miss him

00:27:55.980 so much

00:27:56.740 because our marriage

00:27:58.040 and our family

00:27:59.120 were beautiful

00:28:00.100 they still are

00:28:01.720 but see

00:28:03.320 do you notice

00:28:03.920 it's never

00:28:04.720 he was awesome

00:28:05.800 it's the marriage

00:28:06.680 was awesome

00:28:07.260 the family

00:28:07.860 was awesome

00:28:08.440 the mood

00:28:08.820 like

00:28:09.160 the greatest cause

00:28:22.060 in Charlie's life

00:28:22.920 was trying to revive

00:28:24.140 the American family

00:28:25.400 when he spoke

00:28:27.720 to young people

00:28:28.460 he was always eager

00:28:29.800 to tell them

00:28:30.460 about God's vision

00:28:31.600 for marriage

00:28:32.820 and how

00:28:34.640 if they could just

00:28:35.940 dare to live it out

00:28:37.100 it would enrich

00:28:39.480 every part

00:28:40.340 of their life

00:28:41.000 in the same way

00:28:41.900 that it enriched ours

00:28:43.280 and someone once

00:28:46.100 asked me

00:28:46.760 how Charlie and I

00:28:49.040 how we kept

00:28:51.080 our marriage

00:28:51.660 so strong

00:28:52.540 when he was busy

00:28:54.260 traveling

00:28:54.860 and our little secret

00:28:59.340 it was love notes

00:29:02.580 every Saturday

00:29:07.140 Charlie wrote one

00:29:09.160 for me

00:29:09.560 and he never missed

00:29:10.840 a Saturday

00:29:11.760 so it's still

00:29:15.140 he did this

00:29:15.920 for me

00:29:16.320 he did this

00:29:17.000 it's not

00:29:17.720 and I don't think

00:29:19.980 it's conscious

00:29:20.620 really

00:29:21.120 I think it's

00:29:21.720 unconscious

00:29:22.340 but

00:29:22.940 like I'm sure

00:29:25.140 someone maybe

00:29:25.740 even wrote her this

00:29:26.740 but

00:29:28.040 it just seems

00:29:30.800 to be going

00:29:31.360 a different direction

00:29:32.420 and in every single

00:29:34.920 one of them

00:29:35.640 he'd tell me

00:29:36.460 what his highlight

00:29:37.520 was for the week

00:29:38.580 how grateful

00:29:40.660 he was for me

00:29:41.580 and our babies

00:29:42.480 and always at the end

00:29:46.120 he would always end it

00:29:47.780 with asking

00:29:49.520 the most beautiful

00:29:50.520 question

00:29:51.720 he'd always end it

00:29:55.220 by asking

00:29:55.780 please let me know

00:29:56.820 how I can better

00:29:57.680 serve you

00:29:58.540 as a husband

00:29:59.580 Charlie perfectly

00:30:03.480 understood

00:30:04.320 God's role

00:30:06.040 for a Christian

00:30:06.840 husband

00:30:07.340 who's serving

00:30:12.200 who

00:30:12.520 in a traditional

00:30:13.320 marriage

00:30:13.940 and if you say

00:30:18.340 you're serving

00:30:18.880 each other

00:30:19.420 that's egalitarian

00:30:20.520 one's got to

00:30:21.300 serve the other

00:30:21.900 more

00:30:22.240 I'm just

00:30:24.440 you know

00:30:24.900 I'm just being

00:30:25.380 honest here

00:30:25.860 and this is the

00:30:26.440 challenge

00:30:26.820 when you get

00:30:27.260 when you put

00:30:27.700 women

00:30:28.160 in that

00:30:29.760 leadership

00:30:30.180 position

00:30:30.920 a lot of times

00:30:33.120 we get things

00:30:33.920 wrong

00:30:34.500 and the position

00:30:35.820 you're putting

00:30:36.380 her in

00:30:36.980 is you're opening

00:30:38.580 her up

00:30:39.020 because you know

00:30:39.820 if I'm

00:30:40.300 if I'm offering

00:30:41.160 light pushback

00:30:42.420 on this

00:30:43.080 imagine what the

00:30:44.600 left is going

00:30:45.240 to do with this

00:30:45.800 is this the best

00:30:46.780 place

00:30:47.460 for a grieving

00:30:48.720 mother and a

00:30:49.560 widow

00:30:49.720 and I just

00:30:50.980 wondered

00:30:51.400 is anyone

00:30:51.940 really thinking

00:30:52.580 about what

00:30:53.300 her best

00:30:54.020 interests are

00:30:55.000 like her

00:30:55.780 and her family's

00:30:56.580 best interest

00:30:57.100 like seriously

00:30:57.820 is anybody

00:30:58.400 you know

00:30:59.760 because when

00:31:00.300 you're in

00:31:00.560 an emotional

00:31:01.060 state

00:31:01.800 nobody's really

00:31:03.380 going to look

00:31:03.840 out for you

00:31:04.680 you know

00:31:05.700 I mean

00:31:06.140 I mean

00:31:07.380 who

00:31:07.640 who here

00:31:08.260 in the chat

00:31:08.920 has made

00:31:09.820 a poor

00:31:10.280 decision

00:31:10.800 when you're

00:31:11.340 in an

00:31:11.740 extremely

00:31:12.260 emotional

00:31:12.840 state

00:31:13.340 when you're

00:31:13.660 just crashing

00:31:14.300 out or

00:31:14.760 whatever

00:31:15.080 you know

00:31:16.380 she's in

00:31:17.840 an extremely

00:31:18.400 emotional state

00:31:19.480 and it just

00:31:20.340 seems like

00:31:21.200 it just

00:31:22.720 feels wrong

00:31:23.840 that they're

00:31:24.800 putting her

00:31:25.340 in front

00:31:25.840 of the

00:31:26.300 like

00:31:26.720 they're

00:31:26.960 putting her

00:31:27.320 as the

00:31:27.580 head of

00:31:27.840 the organization

00:31:28.420 they're

00:31:28.880 putting her

00:31:29.260 out in

00:31:29.600 front

00:31:29.860 and I

00:31:30.760 just keep

00:31:31.240 thinking

00:31:31.720 is this

00:31:32.720 the best

00:31:33.400 you know

00:31:34.940 it may

00:31:35.920 it may even

00:31:36.540 be what she

00:31:37.080 wants to do

00:31:37.820 but sometimes

00:31:38.440 what you want

00:31:39.040 to do

00:31:39.280 isn't what's

00:31:39.680 best for you

00:31:40.720 you know

00:31:41.560 and it just

00:31:43.100 I don't

00:31:43.880 it just seems

00:31:44.620 like everybody

00:31:45.360 just wants

00:31:46.040 to milk

00:31:46.760 this as long

00:31:47.560 as possible

00:31:48.240 so

00:31:52.580 a man

00:31:56.180 who leads

00:31:57.240 so that

00:31:59.600 they can

00:31:59.980 serve

00:32:00.660 a man

00:32:04.460 who leads

00:32:05.000 so he

00:32:05.420 can serve

00:32:06.200 do you

00:32:06.640 see

00:32:06.840 okay

00:32:08.700 and now

00:32:11.700 she

00:32:12.100 transitions

00:32:12.740 and this

00:32:13.180 is really

00:32:13.560 if I had

00:32:13.900 to paraphrase

00:32:14.760 the memorial

00:32:16.680 about that

00:32:17.220 was supposed

00:32:17.540 to be

00:32:17.760 about Charlie

00:32:18.440 it's like

00:32:19.500 the first

00:32:19.980 part is

00:32:20.940 about

00:32:22.040 Christianity

00:32:22.720 okay

00:32:23.500 the next

00:32:25.040 part is

00:32:25.860 about the

00:32:26.300 stuff he

00:32:26.660 did for

00:32:27.100 her

00:32:27.520 the next

00:32:28.960 part

00:32:29.120 and I

00:32:29.380 don't think

00:32:29.800 women

00:32:30.040 consciously

00:32:30.640 do this

00:32:31.120 it's kind

00:32:31.400 of a

00:32:31.620 subconscious

00:32:32.140 thing

00:32:32.720 and now

00:32:34.120 the next

00:32:36.160 part is

00:32:36.640 going to

00:32:36.800 be her

00:32:37.100 nagging

00:32:37.660 husbands

00:32:38.280 which is

00:32:39.540 really out

00:32:40.120 of your

00:32:40.320 place as a

00:32:41.060 woman

00:32:41.300 as a

00:32:41.600 woman

00:32:41.740 you're

00:32:41.920 not

00:32:42.080 really

00:32:42.360 and

00:32:43.600 you're

00:32:44.560 not really

00:32:44.980 meant

00:32:45.540 to tell

00:32:46.620 men what

00:32:47.340 to do

00:32:47.860 if you're

00:32:48.740 a more

00:32:49.400 traditional

00:32:49.960 woman

00:32:50.560 right

00:32:51.100 you're

00:32:52.560 not

00:32:52.880 you're

00:32:53.460 not

00:32:53.620 supposed

00:32:54.020 to

00:32:54.260 nag

00:32:54.600 men

00:32:55.060 and yeah

00:32:57.540 that's

00:32:57.760 what she

00:32:57.980 goes into

00:32:58.580 to all

00:33:07.420 the men

00:33:07.760 watching

00:33:08.160 around

00:33:08.440 the world

00:33:08.960 accept

00:33:11.320 Charlie's

00:33:12.020 challenge

00:33:12.680 and embrace

00:33:14.940 true

00:33:15.360 manhood

00:33:15.920 be

00:33:19.360 be

00:33:19.380 strong

00:33:19.960 and

00:33:20.500 courageous

00:33:20.940 for

00:33:21.260 your

00:33:21.440 families

00:33:22.080 love

00:33:26.100 your

00:33:26.560 wives

00:33:27.240 and lead

00:33:28.760 them

00:33:29.220 love

00:33:31.100 your

00:33:31.300 children

00:33:31.800 and protect

00:33:32.860 them

00:33:33.380 so notice

00:33:34.520 all of the

00:33:35.180 standards

00:33:35.720 she's going

00:33:36.240 to require

00:33:36.820 for men

00:33:37.560 and then

00:33:39.120 the lack

00:33:40.640 of standards

00:33:41.300 she requires

00:33:42.080 for women

00:33:42.740 and by the

00:33:43.780 way

00:33:43.960 if this

00:33:44.340 is how

00:33:44.660 she thinks

00:33:45.500 I'm just

00:33:45.920 going to

00:33:46.140 remind you

00:33:46.680 this is what

00:33:47.640 she's

00:33:47.900 in turning point

00:33:48.840 was kind of

00:33:49.340 like that

00:33:49.760 anyway

00:33:50.060 they had

00:33:50.420 Nalan

00:33:50.780 right

00:33:51.360 but I

00:33:52.600 don't see it

00:33:53.440 getting better

00:33:54.080 I see it

00:33:55.160 getting

00:33:55.500 much more

00:33:56.860 feminist

00:33:57.500 be the

00:34:01.260 spiritual

00:34:01.760 head

00:34:02.380 of your

00:34:04.320 home

00:34:04.760 but please

00:34:07.620 be a

00:34:08.200 leader

00:34:08.500 worth

00:34:09.040 following

00:34:09.620 so what

00:34:11.700 what is

00:34:12.060 that

00:34:12.220 insinuation

00:34:13.040 please be a

00:34:13.880 leader worth

00:34:14.380 following

00:34:14.880 it's

00:34:15.940 insinuating

00:34:16.640 that most

00:34:17.680 men are

00:34:18.140 not worth

00:34:18.780 following

00:34:19.360 because why

00:34:21.520 would she

00:34:21.920 have to

00:34:22.380 say

00:34:22.660 do you

00:34:23.000 know what I

00:34:23.300 mean

00:34:23.500 you know

00:34:31.880 because it's

00:34:32.780 like why

00:34:33.080 would you

00:34:33.360 have to

00:34:33.660 say that

00:34:34.260 if you

00:34:34.580 thought

00:34:34.900 highly

00:34:35.400 of most

00:34:36.000 men

00:34:36.400 do you

00:34:38.440 know what I

00:34:38.660 mean

00:34:38.760 it's like

00:34:39.260 I'm trying

00:34:39.680 to think

00:34:39.920 of a good

00:34:40.380 analogy

00:34:41.020 I'm kind

00:34:41.440 of slow

00:34:42.300 today

00:34:42.720 but you

00:34:44.800 know

00:34:45.000 because if

00:34:45.420 most people

00:34:46.680 okay let's

00:34:48.080 say

00:34:48.800 if I said

00:34:49.720 guys please

00:34:50.460 don't steal

00:34:51.280 it would

00:34:52.160 kind of be

00:34:52.600 out of

00:34:52.940 place

00:34:53.500 if you're

00:34:55.640 in a

00:34:55.880 society

00:34:56.340 that nobody

00:34:56.980 steals

00:34:57.360 you know

00:34:57.640 what I'm

00:34:57.820 saying

00:34:57.980 anyways

00:34:58.340 I'll

00:34:58.560 continue

00:34:59.340 wife

00:35:00.620 your wife

00:35:09.600 is not

00:35:10.040 your servant

00:35:10.940 so now

00:35:13.480 she's

00:35:13.860 so

00:35:15.460 she said

00:35:17.740 that the

00:35:22.120 men need

00:35:22.720 to serve

00:35:23.360 the women

00:35:24.420 but the

00:35:25.220 wives are

00:35:25.920 not servants

00:35:27.320 to the

00:35:27.760 men

00:35:28.100 it's like

00:35:28.680 okay

00:35:29.080 your wife

00:35:30.580 is not

00:35:31.160 your employee

00:35:31.960 your wife

00:35:34.900 is not

00:35:35.340 your slave

00:35:36.300 she is

00:35:38.460 your helper

00:35:39.080 you are

00:35:41.220 not rivals

00:35:42.060 you are

00:35:43.940 one flesh

00:35:44.780 working together

00:35:45.900 for the glory

00:35:46.740 of God

00:35:47.520 I was

00:36:01.480 Charlie's

00:36:01.980 confidant

00:36:02.580 I was

00:36:05.020 his vault

00:36:05.580 his closest

00:36:08.300 and most

00:36:09.220 trusted

00:36:09.640 advisor

00:36:10.100 his best

00:36:10.740 friend

00:36:11.160 I poured

00:36:14.080 into him

00:36:14.720 and loved

00:36:15.280 him so

00:36:15.860 deeply

00:36:16.320 empowered

00:36:17.900 him

00:36:18.380 because

00:36:19.960 his love

00:36:20.680 for me

00:36:21.080 drove me

00:36:21.720 to be a

00:36:22.180 better wife

00:36:22.860 every day

00:36:25.240 he honored

00:36:25.840 me

00:36:26.160 and I

00:36:26.620 prayed

00:36:26.920 that I

00:36:27.340 could be

00:36:27.680 the wife

00:36:28.220 that God

00:36:28.860 needed me

00:36:29.440 to be

00:36:29.840 for my

00:36:30.260 husband

00:36:30.760 women

00:36:33.100 women I

00:36:33.280 have a

00:36:33.560 challenge

00:36:33.980 for you

00:36:34.460 to be

00:36:37.520 virtuous

00:36:38.400 this is

00:36:40.600 what they

00:36:40.860 do

00:36:40.980 they say

00:36:41.400 virtuous

00:36:41.880 but they

00:36:42.320 have no

00:36:42.680 standards

00:36:43.240 for virtue

00:36:43.980 you know

00:36:45.360 if I

00:36:45.920 had to give

00:36:46.440 a standard

00:36:46.960 for virtue

00:36:47.620 I would

00:36:50.340 start with

00:36:50.740 virginity

00:36:51.400 that would

00:36:52.000 be number

00:36:52.380 one

00:36:52.760 but they

00:36:53.060 will never

00:36:53.960 say that

00:36:54.580 because that

00:36:55.020 would be a

00:36:55.420 standard

00:36:55.800 and you know

00:36:57.060 to be fair

00:36:57.580 that's something

00:36:58.040 I'm not going

00:36:59.920 to live up to

00:37:00.460 that obviously

00:37:01.220 I'm 28

00:37:02.120 you know

00:37:02.660 but you know

00:37:04.320 at least

00:37:05.160 that's a

00:37:06.220 standard

00:37:06.760 but even the

00:37:08.200 virgins are

00:37:08.780 bitches

00:37:09.100 nowadays

00:37:09.700 it's like

00:37:10.620 I'll tell you

00:37:11.540 what I

00:37:11.780 interviewed

00:37:12.180 five virgins

00:37:13.120 or declared

00:37:14.660 virgins

00:37:15.200 on my show

00:37:15.860 there was one

00:37:19.940 I might have

00:37:20.600 believed

00:37:21.100 and if you

00:37:21.720 guys saw

00:37:22.280 the men

00:37:22.720 in her

00:37:23.020 DMs

00:37:23.660 you would

00:37:23.920 just give

00:37:24.340 up

00:37:24.560 I'm going

00:37:24.820 to be

00:37:25.000 honest

00:37:25.340 you would

00:37:25.780 just

00:37:26.040 you would

00:37:26.420 just quit

00:37:26.880 I can't

00:37:28.500 I can't

00:37:29.060 say I

00:37:29.620 wouldn't

00:37:29.960 I would

00:37:30.260 never do

00:37:30.700 that

00:37:31.020 because

00:37:31.400 but yeah

00:37:33.020 you would

00:37:33.580 just quit

00:37:34.120 but I'll

00:37:34.700 just

00:37:34.940 the person

00:37:35.900 had enough

00:37:36.360 money with

00:37:36.900 a B

00:37:37.660 I'll say

00:37:38.300 that

00:37:38.800 yeah

00:37:39.480 you would

00:37:39.780 just quit

00:37:40.240 our strength

00:37:43.060 is found

00:37:43.620 in God's

00:37:44.320 design

00:37:44.740 for our

00:37:45.240 role

00:37:45.440 yeah

00:37:45.600 you're

00:37:45.800 right

00:37:45.960 I'm 18

00:37:46.580 going on

00:37:47.020 21

00:37:47.560 I like

00:37:48.400 that better

00:37:48.900 we are

00:37:51.120 the guardians

00:37:51.720 we are

00:37:53.620 the encouragers

00:37:54.540 we are

00:37:56.620 the preservers

00:37:57.600 guard your

00:38:00.260 heart

00:38:00.740 everything

00:38:02.660 now again

00:38:03.200 again what is

00:38:03.960 this insinuating

00:38:04.860 if the women

00:38:06.280 need to guard

00:38:06.940 their heart

00:38:07.480 who are they

00:38:07.920 guarding it

00:38:08.480 from

00:38:08.760 the evil

00:38:09.600 men

00:38:09.820 like that's

00:38:10.440 always the

00:38:11.200 subconscious

00:38:11.920 that's always

00:38:14.100 the subconscious

00:38:14.660 I mean these

00:38:15.360 days men need

00:38:16.260 to guard their

00:38:16.720 heart from

00:38:17.160 women

00:38:17.500 everything women

00:38:18.360 project onto

00:38:19.200 like everything

00:38:20.420 women say

00:38:21.220 about men

00:38:21.940 women are

00:38:22.880 so

00:38:24.200 who needs

00:38:26.460 to guard

00:38:26.840 their hearts

00:38:27.380 here and

00:38:27.720 again that

00:38:28.420 it still blames

00:38:29.740 female sin

00:38:30.680 on the men

00:38:31.560 it never puts

00:38:32.720 it on the

00:38:33.120 women

00:38:33.400 and you do

00:38:34.280 flows from

00:38:35.000 it

00:38:35.280 and if you're

00:38:37.940 a mother

00:38:38.280 please recognize

00:38:39.880 that is the

00:38:41.480 single

00:38:42.140 most important

00:38:44.460 ministry

00:38:45.200 now again

00:38:45.800 again this is

00:38:46.760 gaslighting

00:38:47.680 it's really

00:38:51.720 gaslighting

00:38:52.660 to take

00:38:53.320 the position

00:38:54.240 of a

00:38:54.660 CEO

00:38:55.040 and then

00:38:57.040 say this

00:38:57.620 is the

00:38:58.360 single

00:38:58.660 most important

00:38:59.520 ministry

00:39:00.140 now I know

00:39:01.580 a lot of

00:39:01.900 people are

00:39:02.340 saying well

00:39:02.860 maybe she'll

00:39:03.460 just put

00:39:03.900 men in

00:39:04.360 charge

00:39:04.740 well then

00:39:05.480 why would

00:39:05.880 you have

00:39:06.300 the title

00:39:07.360 of the

00:39:07.820 CEO

00:39:08.200 you know

00:39:09.160 what I'm

00:39:09.320 saying

00:39:09.440 like why

00:39:10.060 wouldn't

00:39:10.400 you

00:39:10.660 that doesn't

00:39:12.120 make any

00:39:12.820 sense

00:39:13.360 because she

00:39:16.760 still will

00:39:17.280 have to

00:39:17.600 make the

00:39:17.940 higher

00:39:18.240 like I

00:39:18.960 think

00:39:19.220 personally

00:39:19.760 when I

00:39:20.140 was

00:39:20.340 I think

00:39:21.460 that's the

00:39:21.820 most difficult

00:39:22.420 part for

00:39:23.000 women is

00:39:23.560 we want to

00:39:23.920 be friends

00:39:24.360 with everybody

00:39:25.020 we don't

00:39:26.240 like hiring

00:39:26.860 and firing

00:39:27.680 and having

00:39:28.120 really direct

00:39:28.840 conversation

00:39:29.220 that's very

00:39:29.680 difficult for

00:39:30.520 us

00:39:30.800 so I

00:39:34.620 mean that's

00:39:35.040 going to put

00:39:35.320 a lot of

00:39:35.660 stress on

00:39:36.160 the mother

00:39:36.620 and so you

00:39:37.720 know a lot

00:39:38.860 of women have

00:39:39.520 this idea

00:39:40.240 they say you

00:39:40.980 know they can

00:39:41.460 do it all

00:39:42.320 but

00:39:42.740 something's

00:39:44.840 going to

00:39:45.120 suffer

00:39:45.480 and if

00:39:46.180 she goes

00:39:46.780 down this

00:39:47.220 path it's

00:39:47.780 most likely

00:39:48.280 going to

00:39:48.520 be the

00:39:48.760 kids

00:39:49.160 but the

00:39:49.960 challenge is

00:39:50.780 conservatives

00:39:51.420 they're not

00:39:51.980 looking out

00:39:52.440 in her

00:39:52.820 best interest

00:39:53.660 and what

00:39:54.400 they're doing

00:39:54.860 is they're

00:39:55.240 essentially

00:39:55.640 worshipping

00:39:56.300 her now

00:39:56.820 and she's

00:39:59.180 going to

00:39:59.380 get more

00:39:59.760 praise doing

00:40:00.720 this than

00:40:01.440 watching the

00:40:02.040 kids

00:40:02.440 so women

00:40:03.680 you know

00:40:05.180 it's like we

00:40:05.700 have natural

00:40:06.580 proclivities

00:40:07.440 we really

00:40:08.120 like praise

00:40:09.000 we really

00:40:09.520 like being

00:40:09.980 told a good

00:40:10.540 job

00:40:10.980 we really

00:40:11.460 like

00:40:11.760 so when

00:40:15.680 we get a lot

00:40:16.700 of praise

00:40:17.160 doing something

00:40:18.060 we like

00:40:18.860 attention

00:40:19.320 but the

00:40:20.400 challenge is

00:40:20.920 conservatives

00:40:21.360 never recognize

00:40:22.780 the proclivities

00:40:23.680 that women

00:40:24.680 have to

00:40:25.240 certain sins

00:40:26.100 now men

00:40:28.320 have certain

00:40:28.900 proclivities

00:40:29.540 too

00:40:30.100 and

00:40:31.320 but the

00:40:32.540 problem is

00:40:33.320 they recognize

00:40:34.580 the male sin

00:40:35.880 and not the

00:40:36.400 other

00:40:36.660 you don't

00:40:37.820 you get no

00:40:38.400 makeup for war

00:40:39.580 yeah

00:40:40.780 and this

00:40:41.280 isn't me

00:40:41.720 trying to

00:40:42.140 be mean

00:40:42.560 I got

00:40:42.880 no hatred

00:40:43.420 in my

00:40:43.820 heart

00:40:44.160 but

00:40:44.500 you know

00:40:45.580 from my

00:40:46.100 from my

00:40:46.920 my side

00:40:48.100 like my

00:40:48.540 point of view

00:40:49.020 I don't think

00:40:49.880 even the people

00:40:50.720 around her

00:40:51.460 are looking

00:40:51.820 out for

00:40:52.220 Erica

00:40:52.580 because

00:40:53.140 you know

00:40:53.820 part of

00:40:54.280 loving a

00:40:54.800 woman

00:40:55.100 is the

00:40:56.320 ability to

00:40:56.880 tell her

00:40:57.240 no that's

00:40:57.840 not a good

00:40:58.260 idea

00:40:58.560 now she

00:40:59.000 might not

00:40:59.380 listen

00:40:59.700 you have

00:41:00.000 very little

00:41:00.440 authority

00:41:00.960 or control

00:41:01.600 in this

00:41:01.960 society

00:41:02.500 but

00:41:03.500 you know

00:41:04.400 and that's

00:41:06.180 I think

00:41:06.540 that's a lot

00:41:07.060 of grievances

00:41:07.960 people have

00:41:08.620 with a lot

00:41:09.440 of right

00:41:09.820 leaning men

00:41:10.560 is they

00:41:11.380 have such

00:41:12.500 an inability

00:41:13.140 and it's

00:41:14.000 almost worse

00:41:14.740 than left

00:41:15.320 leaning men

00:41:15.940 to tell

00:41:16.720 their wives

00:41:17.280 no

00:41:17.660 that's not

00:41:18.900 a good idea

00:41:19.440 it's

00:41:20.060 it's very

00:41:21.420 rare that I

00:41:22.280 find it

00:41:22.960 in

00:41:23.440 conservatism

00:41:24.900 and it's

00:41:26.460 because

00:41:26.940 you know

00:41:28.420 of this

00:41:29.380 sort of

00:41:29.740 it's almost

00:41:30.080 like brainwashing

00:41:31.220 from a lot

00:41:31.780 of church

00:41:32.280 organizations

00:41:33.000 because a lot

00:41:33.540 of them

00:41:33.740 are led

00:41:34.360 by women

00:41:34.880 and so

00:41:36.900 you know

00:41:37.400 you know

00:41:38.420 conservatives

00:41:38.940 will say

00:41:39.360 do the right

00:41:39.900 thing

00:41:40.080 do the right

00:41:40.560 thing

00:41:40.740 do the right

00:41:41.220 thing

00:41:41.500 and we're

00:41:41.840 looking at

00:41:42.380 them

00:41:42.480 saying

00:41:42.660 you can't

00:41:43.100 even tell

00:41:43.460 your wife

00:41:43.880 no

00:41:44.200 like how

00:41:45.520 are you

00:41:45.720 going to

00:41:45.920 say that

00:41:46.260 you're a

00:41:46.500 virtuous

00:41:46.740 person

00:41:47.240 if you

00:41:47.580 don't have

00:41:48.300 the ability

00:41:48.780 to tell

00:41:49.200 her no

00:41:49.740 or if

00:41:51.520 you're afraid

00:41:52.080 of the

00:41:52.520 crash out

00:41:53.140 or looking

00:41:53.560 bad

00:41:53.900 and really

00:41:54.740 when I do

00:41:55.220 streams

00:41:55.660 like this

00:41:56.300 I know

00:41:57.380 I'm

00:41:57.700 going to be

00:41:58.580 the one

00:41:58.840 to look

00:41:59.120 bad

00:41:59.540 I mean

00:41:59.880 this is

00:42:00.680 I don't

00:42:01.720 enjoy doing

00:42:02.320 this but

00:42:03.020 nobody's

00:42:04.340 going to

00:42:04.580 say that

00:42:05.120 this is

00:42:05.480 not in

00:42:06.180 her best

00:42:06.740 interest

00:42:07.320 in our

00:42:23.720 home

00:42:24.220 because

00:42:25.600 Charlie

00:42:25.940 traveled a

00:42:26.540 lot

00:42:26.700 we tried

00:42:27.140 to travel

00:42:27.560 with him

00:42:27.940 where we

00:42:28.220 could

00:42:28.500 but I

00:42:31.560 made sure

00:42:31.960 that when

00:42:32.260 Charlie

00:42:32.540 returned

00:42:32.980 from work

00:42:33.660 so now

00:42:34.600 this is

00:42:35.000 going to

00:42:35.240 be talking

00:42:35.720 about what

00:42:36.460 she did

00:42:36.920 good as

00:42:37.280 a way

00:42:37.580 you know

00:42:41.160 I just

00:42:41.500 again I'm

00:42:42.200 listening to

00:42:42.700 this we're

00:42:43.480 18 minutes

00:42:44.520 in I've

00:42:44.900 heard very

00:42:45.280 little about

00:42:46.060 Charlie

00:42:46.660 I'm just

00:42:49.640 being I've

00:42:50.240 just heard

00:42:50.700 I'm being

00:42:51.340 honest with

00:42:51.920 what I'm

00:42:52.280 hearing and

00:42:53.540 I know this

00:42:54.200 is going

00:42:54.520 through a lot

00:42:54.940 of men's

00:42:55.420 minds you

00:42:56.360 know I

00:42:56.620 know I

00:42:57.120 know there's

00:42:57.700 men in the

00:42:58.120 audience thinking

00:42:59.080 this but men

00:43:00.880 aren't dumb

00:43:01.280 enough to say

00:43:01.980 it I am

00:43:02.600 you know

00:43:06.400 so let me

00:43:07.560 I'll continue

00:43:08.220 it was his

00:43:09.340 sacred landing

00:43:10.020 place

00:43:10.620 away from

00:43:13.000 the worries

00:43:13.460 of the

00:43:13.740 world

00:43:14.140 I didn't

00:43:19.780 make him

00:43:20.120 feel guilty

00:43:20.880 so here

00:43:23.000 again it's

00:43:23.920 I am

00:43:24.280 awesome

00:43:24.740 for being

00:43:26.080 away too

00:43:26.840 long or

00:43:27.360 too much

00:43:28.040 or getting

00:43:30.620 home too

00:43:31.120 late I

00:43:31.540 always told

00:43:32.020 him home

00:43:32.320 is here

00:43:32.620 for you

00:43:33.020 this is

00:43:34.520 what I

00:43:34.880 did right

00:43:35.400 and it'll

00:43:36.340 be ready

00:43:36.660 for you

00:43:37.120 and I

00:43:39.340 made it

00:43:39.700 into this

00:43:40.140 place where

00:43:40.740 he wanted

00:43:41.240 to be

00:43:41.980 as soon

00:43:43.160 as possible

00:43:43.680 when he

00:43:44.580 was on

00:43:44.840 the road

00:43:45.140 there was

00:43:49.080 no keeping

00:43:49.540 score between

00:43:50.200 us

00:43:50.620 we were

00:43:54.000 we were a

00:43:54.100 team

00:43:54.420 working together

00:43:57.240 for the same

00:43:57.780 mission

00:43:58.200 I never

00:44:01.720 wanted to be

00:44:02.240 the one

00:44:02.540 standing between

00:44:03.320 Charlie and

00:44:04.100 the task

00:44:04.600 that God

00:44:05.260 prepared for

00:44:07.480 him

00:44:07.780 had set for

00:44:10.320 him

00:44:10.580 and I knew

00:44:12.720 Charlie would

00:44:13.240 always do his

00:44:13.960 best to help

00:44:14.580 me with the

00:44:15.000 same

00:44:15.280 my marriage

00:44:19.620 with Charlie

00:44:20.120 was the best

00:44:20.660 thing that ever

00:44:21.100 happened to me

00:44:21.680 and I know it

00:44:23.520 was the best

00:44:23.920 thing that ever

00:44:24.320 happened to him

00:44:24.740 as well

00:44:25.100 he wanted

00:44:27.320 everyone to

00:44:27.880 experience that

00:44:28.780 joy

00:44:29.100 and that's

00:44:31.520 what's so

00:44:32.680 beautiful

00:44:33.120 about God's

00:44:34.980 design for

00:44:35.520 marriage is

00:44:36.060 that everyone

00:44:36.460 can

00:44:37.000 I could talk

00:44:41.140 endlessly about

00:44:41.940 it and years

00:44:42.420 to come I

00:44:42.940 will

00:44:43.220 but Charlie's

00:44:46.100 mission above

00:44:47.040 all

00:44:47.640 was aimed

00:44:49.980 directly at

00:44:50.640 those who

00:44:51.140 aren't married

00:44:51.960 he named

00:44:54.640 his organization

00:44:55.460 well

00:44:55.940 he knew

00:44:57.680 things were not

00:44:58.380 right with

00:44:58.800 America and

00:44:59.440 especially with

00:45:00.220 young people

00:45:00.900 and they needed

00:45:02.860 a new direction

00:45:03.700 now again

00:45:05.000 now it's going

00:45:05.780 to get married

00:45:06.740 I just

00:45:07.600 is this about

00:45:09.320 Charlie or is

00:45:10.300 this a turning

00:45:10.980 point or you

00:45:12.160 know maybe

00:45:14.140 that's what he

00:45:14.680 would have

00:45:14.900 wanted I don't

00:45:15.500 know

00:45:15.780 Charlie

00:45:18.100 passionately

00:45:19.160 wanted to

00:45:20.520 reach and

00:45:21.240 save the

00:45:21.920 lost boys

00:45:22.580 of the West

00:45:23.320 the young

00:45:25.700 yeah I was

00:45:26.540 the best thing

00:45:27.140 to ever happen

00:45:27.780 to Charlie

00:45:28.260 Kirk please

00:45:28.980 donate that's

00:45:29.940 that's that's

00:45:33.760 what it sounds

00:45:34.360 like but I

00:45:35.540 think women we

00:45:36.280 never get

00:45:36.700 feedback from

00:45:37.600 men on how

00:45:38.120 we talk

00:45:38.680 ever

00:45:39.020 so we

00:45:41.880 don't we

00:45:42.180 have no idea

00:45:42.720 how bad

00:45:43.400 this sounds

00:45:44.240 feel like they

00:45:46.620 have no

00:45:47.080 direction

00:45:47.700 no purpose

00:45:49.560 no faith

00:45:50.420 and no reason

00:45:51.060 to live

00:45:51.660 the men

00:45:54.440 wasting their

00:45:55.120 lives on

00:45:55.700 distractions

00:45:56.320 and the men

00:45:57.060 consumed with

00:45:57.920 resentment

00:45:58.420 anger and

00:45:59.300 hate

00:45:59.760 Charlie

00:46:02.860 wanted to

00:46:03.260 help them

00:46:03.820 he wanted

00:46:06.600 them to

00:46:06.920 have a

00:46:07.180 home

00:46:07.720 with

00:46:08.600 Turning Point

00:46:09.040 USA

00:46:09.360 and when he

00:46:11.040 went onto

00:46:11.480 campus

00:46:11.980 he was looking

00:46:13.180 to show them

00:46:13.800 a better

00:46:14.100 path

00:46:14.740 and a better

00:46:17.240 life

00:46:17.760 that was right

00:46:19.200 there for the

00:46:19.620 taking

00:46:19.960 he wanted

00:46:21.740 to show

00:46:22.060 them that

00:46:22.540 my husband

00:46:29.320 Charlie

00:46:29.860 he wanted

00:46:33.340 to save

00:46:34.240 young men

00:46:37.580 just like

00:46:39.940 the one

00:46:40.340 who took

00:46:40.760 his life

00:46:41.380 that young

00:46:59.600 man

00:46:59.960 that young

00:47:03.320 man

00:47:03.720 on the cross

00:47:05.680 our savior

00:47:06.320 said

00:47:06.900 father

00:47:12.380 forgive

00:47:13.000 them

00:47:13.480 for they

00:47:14.900 not know

00:47:15.540 what they

00:47:16.020 do

00:47:16.640 that

00:47:19.640 man

00:47:20.140 that

00:47:23.080 young

00:47:23.360 man

00:47:23.760 I

00:47:27.580 forgive

00:47:28.100 him

00:47:28.540 I

00:47:44.020 I

00:47:47.120 I

00:47:51.540 I

00:47:53.440 I

00:47:53.520 I

00:47:53.580 I

00:47:53.680 I

00:47:56.420 I

00:47:59.300 Yeah, and so this was really my question.

00:48:03.180 And I've been mulling this over all day.

00:48:05.700 You know, this man has shown no repentance.

00:48:12.100 Now, no remorse.

00:48:14.400 I have not seen anything where he says he's sorry for what he did.

00:48:17.600 I haven't even seen him admit to what he did.

00:48:20.600 Now, I'd like to say, to be honest,

00:48:23.180 I'll forgive most things with a genuine apology

00:48:26.560 if I'm being truly honest here.

00:48:30.940 But there has to, I would think there has to be some repentance,

00:48:36.560 some remorse, maybe a penance.

00:48:38.960 You know, I'm sorry would be a good start.

00:48:42.960 I did that would be a second start.

00:48:46.640 And some sort of penance.

00:48:50.960 But I really want to hear from the people.

00:48:53.500 You know, what did you think of this speech?

00:48:58.600 Maybe I'm off base.

00:48:59.800 If you think I am, you're welcome to call in and tell me.

00:49:02.560 But more importantly, should Christians forgive pure evil?

00:49:09.020 Because from where I stand, it seems like people just know

00:49:15.200 that they can do whatever they want to Christians

00:49:17.340 and nothing's going to happen

00:49:20.040 because Christians just will not fight back.

00:49:27.200 And I could be wrong in that thought.

00:49:29.560 So, you know, why don't you guys call in?

00:49:31.620 We're going to put the Zoom link in the chat

00:49:33.180 and let me know what you think.

00:49:38.660 Is Doug MPA on the line?

00:49:40.200 Hi, I'm here. How's it going?

00:49:45.760 Hey, Doug MPA.

00:49:47.920 So, what are your thoughts on the forgiveness part?

00:49:53.940 What did you think about her forgiving the killer?

00:49:56.980 First off, I smell feminism coming.

00:49:59.500 Yeah, it's coming.

00:50:01.500 You hear something.

00:50:02.280 She's like, your wife is not your slave and blah, blah, blah.

00:50:04.920 She pretty much said that your wife is your equal partner

00:50:10.320 and all this.

00:50:11.160 And then she's going to reinforce the narrative

00:50:12.940 by claiming credit for everything Charlie did.

00:50:15.160 He did this and this and this,

00:50:16.680 but because I did this and this and this,

00:50:19.100 she's freaking already doing it right now.

00:50:21.480 She's already doing it.

00:50:23.380 And she's going to take all of Charlie's hard work

00:50:26.500 and twist it to her narrative

00:50:27.800 and everyone's going to let her do it

00:50:29.820 because she's Charlie Kirk's grieving widow.

00:50:32.340 Watch.

00:50:33.340 Feminism's coming.

00:50:33.980 Yeah, and that's the thing.

00:50:35.180 Men are afraid to say no to women.

00:50:38.440 Like, you know, oh, you did email it to me.

00:50:40.800 Okay.

00:50:42.120 Even in this position, it's a sad situation,

00:50:44.600 but that doesn't mean do whatever you want.

00:50:49.340 You know what I mean?

00:50:49.840 Like, it doesn't mean you can do anything now,

00:50:53.500 as sad as the situation is.

00:50:56.360 And I just don't, I think people want to milk this so bad,

00:50:59.680 they don't want to look like bad people either.

00:51:01.780 And if you're thinking about that,

00:51:07.560 then you're not really being an honest person.

00:51:10.580 You know what I mean?

00:51:11.740 Yep, I agree.

00:51:12.520 Yeah, and you're not looking out for her.

00:51:15.440 You're looking out for yourself.

00:51:17.560 Go ahead.

00:51:18.160 The fact that she's, if she becomes CEO of Turning Point,

00:51:24.620 like, everything that Charlie wanted,

00:51:27.960 because she's supposed to be a conservative.

00:51:30.500 And Charlie preached,

00:51:32.840 he didn't preach her accepting a position

00:51:36.280 of a major multi-million dollar company.

00:51:40.280 She's supposed to be staying home

00:51:41.820 and taking care of the kids.

00:51:43.680 Yeah, and to be fair, though, I do,

00:51:45.660 I could have seen Charlie signing off

00:51:47.880 on something like this,

00:51:48.980 because he was,

00:51:50.560 well, we know how he spoke before he died.

00:51:52.740 I don't want to speak ill of the dead,

00:51:54.220 but, like, you know the way he talked.

00:51:57.220 I actually want to react to one more thing

00:51:59.540 before we take callers,

00:52:01.860 because I just couldn't believe how grifty this was.

00:52:05.600 Just real fast,

00:52:06.120 so about the forgiveness thing,

00:52:07.920 that's one of the reasons why I'm not religious.

00:52:10.380 I'm a black belt in holding grudges, man.

00:52:14.140 I'm not even joking.

00:52:15.140 I hold grudges.

00:52:16.300 Yes, I do.

00:52:17.420 I'm petty, and I hold grudges.

00:52:19.240 That's one of the best parts

00:52:19.900 of why I'm not being religious.

00:52:21.980 And it's only because

00:52:23.100 people will do things so egregious.

00:52:27.000 See, this forgiveness thing,

00:52:28.800 they don't take into account

00:52:29.920 like someone putting up, you know,

00:52:32.120 a hole in your husband's neck,

00:52:34.480 you know, or someone touching a child.

00:52:36.680 Something like that.

00:52:37.260 There's certain things

00:52:37.940 that should not be forgiven.

00:52:39.360 Sorry.

00:52:39.820 Do you know why I got less religious?

00:52:42.540 Because I was more religious

00:52:43.620 when I was younger,

00:52:44.480 but it was because I realized

00:52:45.800 all the best people I knew

00:52:47.160 weren't religious.

00:52:48.140 Like, the most moral acting,

00:52:49.660 like, people I knew.

00:52:51.280 And then I would look at, like,

00:52:52.500 the religious people I knew,

00:52:54.200 and it was, like, 9.5 out of 10 of them

00:52:56.500 were afraid of their wives.

00:52:57.600 Like, how can you say you're afraid of God

00:52:59.000 if you're afraid of your wife?

00:53:00.760 Oh, man, that's a good one.

00:53:02.380 No, like, seriously.

00:53:03.060 Like, how, and I'm so,

00:53:05.040 I'm just sitting there

00:53:06.280 and I'm thinking, like,

00:53:07.580 even in the,

00:53:08.220 these would be, like,

00:53:09.240 very theologically sound people.

00:53:12.160 And I would just,

00:53:13.320 and they would have all the right arguments

00:53:15.460 and all the debates,

00:53:16.380 but I can tell,

00:53:17.620 I can tell they're afraid of their wife.

00:53:20.760 And so I'm like,

00:53:21.360 but how can you fear God

00:53:22.780 if you fear a woman?

00:53:24.780 Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:53:26.620 Yeah.

00:53:26.720 And that's,

00:53:27.320 and that's what I see embodied,

00:53:28.760 like, over and over again

00:53:30.340 is just an extreme fear of women.

00:53:33.960 Yep.

00:53:34.860 Because it's supposed to be God,

00:53:37.760 you know,

00:53:38.160 a woman is supposed to respect

00:53:39.840 the God and the man,

00:53:41.540 but if a woman's running things,

00:53:43.080 it's kind of the other way around.

00:53:44.440 You know,

00:53:44.640 a man is respecting the God

00:53:46.120 and the woman, kind of.

00:53:47.000 But it,

00:53:47.440 you know what I'm saying?

00:53:47.740 Yeah, it always just ends the same way.

00:53:49.300 They always just end up

00:53:50.320 worshiping the woman.

00:53:51.580 Like, it always,

00:53:53.080 and I've just seen it so many times.

00:53:55.220 It just never,

00:53:56.980 God, I've seen it over and over again

00:53:59.340 in Catholics.

00:54:00.140 God, over.

00:54:01.300 And I just,

00:54:01.880 I hate it when they try to gaslight me

00:54:03.700 and they say,

00:54:04.240 oh, it's like not the Orthodox,

00:54:05.980 it's not the Catholic.

00:54:06.880 And I'm like, bro,

00:54:08.060 I went to 20 years of Catholic school.

00:54:10.540 Like, oh my God,

00:54:12.240 there's so many super simps.

00:54:13.720 It's crazy.

00:54:15.140 But like,

00:54:16.800 and so,

00:54:18.800 but that was what did it for me.

00:54:20.440 But I think at a base level,

00:54:22.800 conservatives don't realize

00:54:23.980 what they're doing

00:54:24.740 by putting women in charge

00:54:26.120 of this stuff.

00:54:26.900 Because what happens is

00:54:28.000 the most competent,

00:54:29.780 logical people leave

00:54:31.540 and the men that are

00:54:32.860 the most emotional stay.

00:54:35.500 Because who's gonna,

00:54:36.640 let's take Protestantism, right?

00:54:38.620 Who's gonna stick around

00:54:39.880 when there's like a,

00:54:40.640 a concerts and juice at church?

00:54:43.240 It's gonna be the,

00:54:44.380 it's gonna be the emotional guys

00:54:46.120 or the men that go

00:54:48.020 because of their wife.

00:54:48.980 where the other way around

00:54:51.740 where it's,

00:54:54.520 it's,

00:54:55.020 and that's what I just kept finding

00:54:56.400 was the men I knew

00:54:58.120 that I would say lived

00:54:59.640 in a most,

00:55:00.280 like if I,

00:55:00.900 if I didn't hear a word

00:55:02.420 that came out of your mouth

00:55:03.540 and I just saw how you acted,

00:55:06.300 the most moral guys I knew

00:55:08.040 just weren't religious.

00:55:11.020 So,

00:55:11.740 you know what I think it is?

00:55:12.720 I think it's group behavior.

00:55:14.240 Whenever there's big groups,

00:55:15.560 it's like this just always happens

00:55:17.100 because women always find a way.

00:55:19.900 Women have power in groups.

00:55:21.840 So they get all,

00:55:22.780 they get everybody together

00:55:24.000 and they just all get together

00:55:25.880 and they start manipulating

00:55:27.060 and then it's over.

00:55:28.600 That's why if I,

00:55:29.440 a church I would like

00:55:30.440 is a church women are banned from

00:55:32.340 where it's just the men

00:55:33.900 and then the men can go home

00:55:35.640 and teach their wives at home.

00:55:38.180 And then you believe

00:55:39.200 whatever I say, honey.

00:55:40.740 That's what I,

00:55:41.300 that would be my church.

00:55:42.740 Go ahead.

00:55:43.760 And that's one of the things

00:55:44.760 because remember,

00:55:45.560 men and women

00:55:46.360 fraternizing together

00:55:48.280 is a new thing.

00:55:49.780 It's only been that way

00:55:50.700 since like the 70s.

00:55:52.720 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:53.420 Yeah.

00:55:53.700 So it used to be

00:55:54.380 the guys would hang out

00:55:55.560 and have their lodges

00:55:56.540 and all that stuff like that.

00:55:57.320 But the women

00:55:58.080 would get together

00:55:58.980 and plot on how to

00:56:00.040 collectively influence

00:56:01.340 their husbands

00:56:02.060 to get what they wanted.

00:56:04.000 Understand what I'm saying?

00:56:05.040 Yeah.

00:56:06.240 And so,

00:56:06.940 it's like,

00:56:07.860 so it just seems like

00:56:09.200 I'm watching a woman

00:56:10.240 use her husband's death

00:56:11.540 to gain power.

00:56:13.360 Oh my gosh.

00:56:13.880 That's what,

00:56:14.420 I couldn't verbalize earlier

00:56:16.820 what made it feel

00:56:17.880 so weird to me.

00:56:19.720 But that's what

00:56:20.740 it just appears.

00:56:21.700 It seems like

00:56:22.520 everybody's using

00:56:24.000 his death

00:56:24.800 to gain as much power

00:56:26.680 as they possibly can.

00:56:28.640 That's what it appears like.

00:56:31.240 I'm gonna,

00:56:32.020 I'm gonna watch this.

00:56:35.240 Caller, sorry.

00:56:36.400 I put the thing

00:56:37.080 in the chat prematurely.

00:56:38.520 I forgot I had this clip.

00:56:39.740 Some people were.

00:56:41.480 And so,

00:56:42.140 but here's the thing,

00:56:43.280 anybody that has this thought,

00:56:45.480 they make you seem like

00:56:47.080 you're a bad person

00:56:48.120 for even thinking this.

00:56:50.960 You know,

00:56:51.660 and I'm not hating on her,

00:56:53.640 but it's almost as if

00:56:56.080 if you notice this is going on,

00:56:58.760 the women especially

00:57:00.160 and the feminine men,

00:57:01.660 they have a tendency

00:57:02.660 to just shame you

00:57:05.420 and say you're a bad person

00:57:06.720 for noticing.

00:57:07.420 We're critical of the fact

00:57:08.900 that she and others

00:57:09.760 walked out

00:57:10.300 and they had the pyrotechnics going

00:57:11.780 and I completely reject that

00:57:14.020 because you have to understand

00:57:15.420 turning point events.

00:57:16.320 This is an homage to Charlie.

00:57:18.340 That's,

00:57:19.080 he loved that stuff

00:57:20.240 and we all love that stuff

00:57:21.600 when we go to a turning point event.

00:57:23.040 You walk out

00:57:23.980 and they've got the pyrotechnics

00:57:25.080 and they've got the smoke going,

00:57:26.800 the dry ice smoke

00:57:27.720 and it's just so fun

00:57:28.960 and it makes the event feel.

00:57:30.980 Yeah, so again,

00:57:32.420 this argument,

00:57:34.280 hey,

00:57:34.620 Charlie loved this stuff.

00:57:35.860 That's a fair point.

00:57:36.620 That's a fair point.

00:57:37.780 Big and celebratory

00:57:39.220 and that's what they wanted to do

00:57:40.520 to make this event feel big

00:57:41.760 and celebratory,

00:57:42.680 not a maudlin,

00:57:44.620 sad,

00:57:45.820 tears crying,

00:57:47.120 you know,

00:57:47.660 good God,

00:57:48.600 this terrible assassin

00:57:49.540 type event.

00:57:50.800 They wanted it to be

00:57:51.700 a celebration of life,

00:57:54.040 you know,

00:57:54.420 which is not unusual.

00:57:56.100 It's just they did it

00:57:56.960 Charlie Kirk style

00:57:57.780 and turning point style.

00:57:58.840 So to me,

00:57:59.200 it made perfect sense

00:58:00.220 that they did use

00:58:01.140 the pyrotechnics.

00:58:02.800 And Doug MPI,

00:58:03.480 if you have any thoughts

00:58:04.260 as I'm listening to this,

00:58:05.240 feel free to jump in.

00:58:07.400 Okay.

00:58:08.400 No sane person

00:58:10.140 was thinking

00:58:10.960 that meant Erica

00:58:11.880 was celebrating

00:58:13.300 Charlie's death.

00:58:14.760 I mean,

00:58:14.920 it's like only the most...

00:58:16.020 No,

00:58:16.300 they're saying you're insane

00:58:17.620 for thinking anything else.

00:58:22.400 I don't think

00:58:23.220 it's insane at all.

00:58:24.400 And at the end of this clip,

00:58:25.340 I'm going to show you

00:58:26.060 why I don't think

00:58:26.720 it's insane.

00:58:27.560 Most cynical bastards

00:58:29.060 would even suggest that.

00:58:30.520 But of course,

00:58:32.040 you know,

00:58:32.260 we're dealing

00:58:32.580 with these leftists.

00:58:33.680 You know,

00:58:34.200 now it's the shaming language.

00:58:35.800 If you even think that,

00:58:37.260 you're a cynical bastard.

00:58:38.840 But she comes out

00:58:39.800 and she talks about

00:58:41.960 Charlie's message

00:58:44.900 and Charlie,

00:58:45.820 like what he wanted to do.

00:58:47.860 And I think does...

00:58:48.720 I'm trying to find out

00:58:49.540 for my team.

00:58:50.100 Is SOT 2,

00:58:51.260 it came chronologically

00:58:52.320 before SOT 1, right?

00:58:54.000 Because I want to play these

00:58:54.920 in sequential order.

00:58:56.120 I think it did.

00:58:56.740 Let's play SOT 2.

00:58:57.360 Charlie passionately

00:59:00.040 wanted to reach

00:59:01.800 and save

00:59:02.560 the lost boys

00:59:03.480 of the West.

00:59:05.800 The young men

00:59:06.860 who feel like

00:59:07.380 they have no direction,

00:59:09.200 no purpose,

00:59:10.740 no faith,

00:59:11.380 and no reason to live.

00:59:14.640 The men wasting

00:59:15.780 their lives

00:59:16.380 on distractions

00:59:17.220 and the men consumed

00:59:18.560 with resentment,

00:59:19.640 anger, and hate.

00:59:23.280 Charlie wanted

00:59:24.020 to help them.

00:59:24.720 He wanted them

00:59:27.720 to have a home

00:59:28.640 with Turning Point USA.

00:59:31.280 And when he went

00:59:32.180 onto campus,

00:59:33.320 he was looking

00:59:34.080 to show them

00:59:34.700 a better path

00:59:35.640 and a better life

00:59:38.680 that was right there

00:59:40.280 for the taking.

00:59:42.100 He wanted

00:59:42.640 to show them that.

00:59:49.340 My husband, Charlie...

00:59:50.720 Okay, we listened

00:59:52.160 to this already.

00:59:52.900 And it's exactly

00:59:55.840 right, Michael.

00:59:56.780 I mean, he...

00:59:57.920 Charlie was there

00:59:59.080 on these campuses

01:00:00.140 in large part

01:00:01.600 to save people

01:00:03.780 like Tyler Robinson,

01:00:05.940 his killer.

01:00:07.080 People who had

01:00:08.040 gotten brainwashed

01:00:09.700 into magical

01:00:11.700 far-left thinking

01:00:13.040 about issues

01:00:14.140 like gender

01:00:15.380 and so on.

01:00:17.140 And to tell them

01:00:18.600 that there could be...

01:00:19.900 Jesus envisioned

01:00:20.580 envisioned something

01:00:21.740 better for them,

01:00:22.960 that their lives

01:00:23.960 could be better,

01:00:25.100 that they did not

01:00:25.680 have to go

01:00:26.100 in this downward spiral

01:00:27.340 into which

01:00:28.640 whatever online obsession

01:00:30.400 throws you

01:00:31.440 or a society

01:00:32.500 that doesn't value

01:00:33.420 young white boys

01:00:34.680 can throw you

01:00:35.600 or a university setting

01:00:37.220 for too many semesters

01:00:38.560 in a row

01:00:38.980 can throw you.

01:00:40.260 I don't know

01:00:41.160 what happened

01:00:41.560 to Tyler Robinson

01:00:42.160 because they're saying...

01:00:42.880 Let's talk about that.

01:00:45.080 Yes.

01:00:45.480 One thing that Charlie

01:00:47.100 excelled at...

01:00:47.920 He excelled at many,

01:00:48.720 many things,

01:00:49.160 but one thing he excelled at

01:00:50.540 was throwing issues

01:00:51.980 into stark relief.

01:00:54.080 Charlie's opponents

01:00:54.860 would always try

01:00:55.600 to muddy up the waters.

01:00:56.700 You're seeing this now

01:00:57.700 after a spate

01:00:58.860 of left-wing violence

01:00:59.860 that's going on

01:01:00.460 for many years now.

01:01:01.400 Many, many years,

01:01:02.080 but certainly we can recall

01:01:03.040 the BLM riots

01:01:04.260 which were encouraged

01:01:05.080 by the left-wing authorities

01:01:06.480 and which killed

01:01:07.120 dozens of people

01:01:07.920 and burned a lot

01:01:08.600 of the country down

01:01:09.420 all the way up

01:01:10.500 through the murder

01:01:12.300 of Christian children

01:01:13.280 at the Covenant School

01:01:14.320 here in Minneapolis

01:01:15.480 all the way up

01:01:16.140 to the assassination

01:01:16.700 of Charlie Kirk

01:01:17.640 from left-wing militants

01:01:19.700 and I'm leaving out

01:01:20.280 a lot of other people too.

01:01:22.100 You know,

01:01:22.860 they try to say,

01:01:24.260 well, it's both sides

01:01:25.340 and it's unclear.

01:01:26.540 Charlie spoke about reason.

01:01:28.620 And Charlie's.

01:01:29.780 And then Erica Kirk

01:01:31.120 did the thing

01:01:31.860 that stunned the world.

01:01:35.680 I mean,

01:01:35.960 if you were a Christian,

01:01:36.820 you weren't totally stunned

01:01:37.820 because this is what

01:01:39.440 we are taught to do.

01:01:40.560 It's just incredible.

01:01:43.280 Which side do I want

01:01:44.820 to be on?

01:01:45.820 Which, which...

01:01:47.320 And him leaving her

01:01:48.860 the love notes,

01:01:49.560 she said,

01:01:50.020 which was their secret weapon

01:01:51.480 between...

01:01:52.160 We're all somewhat surprised

01:01:54.060 by the forgiveness

01:01:55.700 and forgiveness yesterday.

01:01:57.460 You know,

01:01:57.680 these things are not opposed

01:01:59.700 and in fact,

01:02:00.800 one without the other

01:02:01.760 will lead to the detriment

01:02:03.620 of both.

01:02:05.520 You know,

01:02:06.300 the...

01:02:07.120 Yeah, it's a woman.

01:02:07.740 I grew up as a Muslim

01:02:08.520 in a Muslim country.

01:02:09.320 I'm skipping to the end

01:02:11.300 to show you

01:02:11.800 what I'm talking about.

01:02:12.740 Enough about Christians.

01:02:13.480 So this whole thing,

01:02:14.240 they go back and forth,

01:02:15.260 right?

01:02:15.480 They talk about the forgiveness.

01:02:17.360 They talk about all this stuff.

01:02:18.940 ...to say if I...

01:02:19.900 They talk about Charlie dying.

01:02:21.900 If what I witnessed

01:02:22.680 is rooted in faith or culture.

01:02:24.960 But what struck me the most

01:02:26.480 was how even though

01:02:27.720 death is heavy,

01:02:28.920 and this was by nature

01:02:29.840 a sad occasion,

01:02:30.860 the entire event carried

01:02:32.020 a celebratory spirit

01:02:33.200 that honored life.

01:02:34.600 That contrast hit me deeply.

01:02:36.900 In Islam,

01:02:37.620 even though we believe

01:02:38.400 that good people go to heaven,

01:02:40.000 the relationship with God

01:02:41.000 is taught through fear.

01:02:43.120 I cannot imagine envy

01:02:44.100 is the right one

01:02:45.020 to think of anybody

01:02:46.620 in the world

01:02:47.280 looking at Erica Kirk

01:02:48.660 on the day she said

01:02:50.560 her final goodbye

01:02:51.260 to her husband

01:02:51.840 and feeling envy.

01:02:54.360 But having been there,

01:02:56.040 we get it, right?

01:02:57.060 The people who watched it

01:02:58.000 on TV get it.

01:03:00.500 When inflation jumps,

01:03:01.740 when you hear

01:03:02.080 the national debt

01:03:02.700 is over 37 trillion bucks,

01:03:04.120 do you ever think

01:03:04.640 maybe now would be

01:03:05.360 a good time

01:03:05.760 to buy some gold?

01:03:06.440 Well, it would be.

01:03:08.340 They put a gold ad in this.

01:03:11.400 Do you see, like...

01:03:13.280 We're all just milking

01:03:16.240 every penny off of this, huh?

01:03:19.180 You put a gold ad

01:03:21.160 in a video.

01:03:25.360 Okay.

01:03:26.340 I quit.

01:03:27.040 Okay, but we'll go back

01:03:36.700 to the original question.

01:03:38.680 So, my question is,

01:03:40.040 should Christians

01:03:41.240 forgive pure evil?

01:03:44.820 I'm going to start

01:03:45.720 by bringing up Sean.

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01:04:13.280 Okay.

01:04:13.920 Sean, welcome to the show.

01:04:15.340 Should Christians forgive?

01:04:17.640 Pure evil.

01:04:20.680 Yeah, so I guess

01:04:22.280 the way I would answer that

01:04:23.760 is not in the sort of

01:04:26.660 new age Christian forgiveness,

01:04:29.180 which is more

01:04:30.020 you forgive them

01:04:31.960 like regardless

01:04:33.020 of what they did

01:04:34.040 and it's the whole

01:04:34.640 forgive and forget mentality, right?

01:04:36.580 So you see a lot of Christians,

01:04:37.980 whether it's, you know,

01:04:38.600 Nala who thinks,

01:04:39.580 you know,

01:04:40.240 she can dunk her head in water

01:04:41.620 in some way.

01:04:42.220 She's cleansed of all her sins

01:04:43.580 and all she has to do

01:04:44.500 is say a few Bible verses

01:04:45.740 and she's good.

01:04:46.560 And by definition,

01:04:48.400 everyone should just forgive her

01:04:49.700 for all her past sins.

01:04:51.200 I think that sort of

01:04:52.780 lack of human accountability,

01:04:54.300 lack of reconciliation

01:04:55.280 and repentance,

01:04:56.540 I think that should not

01:04:57.940 be the case.

01:04:58.740 I think Christians

01:05:01.340 in the sort of, you know,

01:05:03.760 Old Testament,

01:05:04.420 New Testament,

01:05:04.880 whatever you want to call it,

01:05:06.300 should have the sense

01:05:07.260 of forgiveness,

01:05:08.420 but more like

01:05:11.160 it doesn't wash away the sin.

01:05:13.300 They still need to repent.

01:05:14.500 They still need to be

01:05:15.420 sort of punished

01:05:16.800 for their sins.

01:05:17.980 So there shouldn't be

01:05:18.820 an enabling

01:05:19.620 of this sort of bad behavior.

01:05:21.520 And the reason why I say

01:05:22.540 they should forgive,

01:05:23.480 I think true forgiveness

01:05:25.420 is more to

01:05:26.780 let yourself detach

01:05:29.060 from any sort of animosity

01:05:30.640 that you have

01:05:31.520 because it's just going

01:05:32.240 to eat away at you

01:05:33.100 or any sort of jealousy

01:05:34.100 or what have you.

01:05:35.360 I think being able

01:05:36.360 to forgive

01:05:36.820 is not necessarily

01:05:37.800 accepting what the person

01:05:40.280 did as right.

01:05:41.700 I think it's more about

01:05:42.900 releasing the own anger

01:05:44.720 and hatred you have

01:05:46.120 in your heart

01:05:46.580 towards somebody,

01:05:48.040 which would,

01:05:49.000 you know,

01:05:49.240 if you ask most people,

01:05:50.000 it tends to sort of

01:05:51.000 consume a lot of headspace

01:05:52.160 in their mind

01:05:52.740 as well as it tends to.

01:05:54.760 Is there,

01:05:55.600 yeah,

01:05:55.900 so you're saying

01:05:56.360 like let go of the anger.

01:05:57.960 Go ahead.

01:05:58.240 Exactly.

01:05:58.740 Like do it for yourself

01:05:59.880 because it's going to

01:06:01.380 let go of the anger

01:06:02.500 and the hatred

01:06:03.380 and animosity

01:06:04.420 and that's going to be

01:06:05.120 better for yourself

01:06:05.900 in terms of your own life

01:06:07.520 so it gets rid

01:06:08.120 of your own emotional burden

01:06:09.360 but not necessarily believe

01:06:11.760 that it washed away

01:06:12.640 their sins.

01:06:13.180 They still need to repent

01:06:14.100 and they still need

01:06:14.800 to be severely punished

01:06:16.380 for their actions.

01:06:18.500 Okay.

01:06:18.900 And I think

01:06:20.020 that mentality

01:06:20.760 is why,

01:06:21.360 you know,

01:06:21.900 it no longer really exists

01:06:23.620 in Christian culture

01:06:24.420 and that's why

01:06:25.200 Christianity has become

01:06:26.160 a total and utter joke

01:06:27.280 and there's a reason

01:06:28.860 why sort of the,

01:06:30.800 you know,

01:06:31.340 Islam tends to be

01:06:32.800 more respected

01:06:34.080 in their social circles

01:06:35.420 because they believe

01:06:36.860 people are going

01:06:37.440 straight to hell.

01:06:38.080 They're going to burn.

01:06:39.180 You know,

01:06:39.840 the Chinese Communist Party,

01:06:41.180 even though they're not,

01:06:41.920 you know,

01:06:42.440 religious in mainland China,

01:06:43.940 they believe in a

01:06:45.140 strict punishment system.

01:06:46.860 If, you know,

01:06:47.160 you do drugs,

01:06:48.040 you die.

01:06:48.920 You kill someone,

01:06:49.780 you die.

01:06:50.640 Like,

01:06:50.920 they don't take that,

01:06:51.740 everyone fears

01:06:53.180 the government

01:06:54.400 as almost like a god

01:06:55.680 in the sense

01:06:56.540 that they know

01:06:57.120 not to act right.

01:06:58.340 Or, sorry,

01:06:58.840 they know to act right

01:06:59.840 otherwise they'll be

01:07:00.560 severely punished.

01:07:01.680 And there's a lot

01:07:02.340 of respect that comes

01:07:03.320 with that sense of fear.

01:07:04.980 And so,

01:07:05.960 that's sort of

01:07:06.620 my take on it

01:07:07.380 is that,

01:07:08.480 you know,

01:07:08.840 I think people need

01:07:10.260 to really fear consequences

01:07:11.760 in order to act right

01:07:13.440 and, you know,

01:07:14.260 be more respectful,

01:07:15.300 so to speak.

01:07:15.760 What did you think

01:07:18.160 of the speech?

01:07:19.780 Did you think,

01:07:20.780 did you hear the thoughts

01:07:23.040 I had on it?

01:07:23.820 Did you get the same vibe

01:07:24.960 or did you think

01:07:26.220 something else?

01:07:27.400 I mean,

01:07:27.620 I got the same vibe.

01:07:28.700 I mean,

01:07:28.880 you have to look at it,

01:07:29.840 you know,

01:07:30.120 and, you know,

01:07:30.860 I feel bad for Erica Kirk,

01:07:32.480 right?

01:07:32.680 Obviously her husband died

01:07:34.100 and she's likely going

01:07:35.040 through a lot of grieving.

01:07:35.940 But let's be honest,

01:07:36.800 if Charlie Kirk wasn't famous,

01:07:38.700 does anyone really think

01:07:39.720 she would have married him

01:07:40.620 because he's such a good guy?

01:07:42.760 Well, no, right?

01:07:43.940 You look at her Instagram account.

01:07:45.100 She has like now

01:07:45.600 six million followers.

01:07:47.660 And so you just have to see

01:07:48.720 the reality of how people

01:07:50.160 behave in their worst moments.

01:07:52.300 And you will see Erica Kirk

01:07:53.900 will still want to be

01:07:54.660 in the spotlight.

01:07:55.420 She will still want to be

01:07:56.480 attending a lot of events

01:07:57.280 and she'll do the whole

01:07:58.200 Sheryl Sandberg playbook,

01:08:00.020 which is when her husband

01:08:01.020 dies tragically,

01:08:02.600 she'll write a book.

01:08:03.620 I guarantee you

01:08:04.520 in the next year or two,

01:08:05.260 she's going to publish a book.

01:08:06.540 And within the next five years,

01:08:07.880 she's going to be married

01:08:08.720 to another rich,

01:08:09.520 successful guy.

01:08:10.700 100% on the money.

01:08:11.920 I can tell you that right now.

01:08:13.680 You know,

01:08:13.900 it's a weird,

01:08:14.420 you know,

01:08:14.620 it's a weird thought.

01:08:15.320 Someone messaged me

01:08:16.200 that her next boyfriend

01:08:17.300 is probably there.

01:08:19.440 I mean,

01:08:19.920 it could be,

01:08:20.480 you know,

01:08:20.660 like she'll probably,

01:08:21.660 she'll probably meet him there.

01:08:23.880 There's Jokers is saying

01:08:25.480 money is evil,

01:08:26.480 especially when given to women.

01:08:28.620 Sorry for the opinion

01:08:29.640 from England.

01:08:31.800 Well,

01:08:32.180 I mean,

01:08:32.440 that's ironic

01:08:33.020 with just giving me $5,

01:08:34.760 but okay.

01:08:36.400 Sorry, Sean,

01:08:37.160 keep going.

01:08:38.040 No,

01:08:38.180 I was going to say,

01:08:38.580 you know,

01:08:38.740 there's a lot of successful,

01:08:40.080 you know,

01:08:40.300 rich guys

01:08:40.840 in conservative social circles,

01:08:42.620 right?

01:08:42.880 It's how Candace Owens

01:08:43.900 met her current husband

01:08:45.020 and it's likely how,

01:08:46.680 you know,

01:08:47.320 Erica will meet

01:08:48.300 her next husband

01:08:49.040 if we're being honest.

01:08:50.460 And so,

01:08:50.980 you know,

01:08:51.220 I think

01:08:52.100 this,

01:08:54.560 I don't want to say

01:08:55.700 she wanted her husband

01:08:56.520 to die.

01:08:57.040 I think that's a bit ridiculous.

01:08:59.040 Sorry,

01:08:59.180 go ahead.

01:08:59.800 Wait,

01:09:00.000 wait.

01:09:00.520 No,

01:09:00.860 no,

01:09:01.160 don't go.

01:09:02.960 Sorry.

01:09:03.740 I was just looking at something.

01:09:05.780 Not you.

01:09:09.380 But,

01:09:10.040 yeah,

01:09:10.900 that makes sense.

01:09:12.680 Sorry,

01:09:13.080 I'm going to go on

01:09:13.480 to the next caller

01:09:14.120 if that's okay.

01:09:15.260 Go ahead.

01:09:15.800 No worries.

01:09:16.120 Okay,

01:09:16.360 thanks for calling in.

01:09:21.860 Okay.

01:09:24.300 All right,

01:09:24.940 next I want

01:09:26.480 Jackson.

01:09:29.840 Hey Jackson,

01:09:46.560 how's it going?

01:09:47.460 What are your thoughts

01:09:48.260 on the topic?

01:09:49.020 Should we forgive

01:09:49.880 pure evil

01:09:50.920 as Christians?

01:09:53.780 No.

01:09:56.640 Okay,

01:09:57.320 do you want to

01:09:57.900 expand upon that?

01:09:59.840 Yeah,

01:10:00.540 it's pretty simple.

01:10:01.780 If you're,

01:10:02.220 if you didn't grow up

01:10:03.260 in

01:10:03.700 modern day

01:10:05.780 nice church,

01:10:07.080 I guess is what I,

01:10:08.600 the polite way to say it,

01:10:09.620 where everybody's just

01:10:10.500 more concerned about

01:10:11.320 being nice

01:10:11.860 than being righteous.

01:10:14.440 It's a,

01:10:15.100 it's really simple answer.

01:10:16.260 No.

01:10:18.480 Not only are we not

01:10:20.000 expected to

01:10:21.000 forgive

01:10:22.180 pure evil,

01:10:22.860 we're not

01:10:23.340 called to.

01:10:24.880 There's multiple

01:10:25.760 verses in the Bible

01:10:26.640 that call for

01:10:27.680 I'm not going to say

01:10:30.560 war

01:10:30.980 because of,

01:10:32.040 you know,

01:10:32.220 that's,

01:10:32.920 but call for,

01:10:34.920 you know,

01:10:36.300 enforcing justice

01:10:37.340 and punishing

01:10:38.000 wrongdoers

01:10:38.880 and such thing

01:10:40.460 as righteous

01:10:41.200 judgment,

01:10:42.140 righteous

01:10:42.400 judgment.

01:10:44.680 That's where

01:10:45.380 people get

01:10:45.960 the whole

01:10:46.600 do not judge

01:10:47.780 versus wrong.

01:10:48.680 Like,

01:10:49.120 that's not what the,

01:10:49.940 that's not what it says.

01:10:51.880 Okay,

01:10:52.380 what do you,

01:10:52.800 what do you,

01:10:53.500 what do you think

01:10:54.100 people get wrong

01:10:55.020 about it?

01:10:55.720 Do you want to go

01:10:56.380 into a little more

01:10:57.220 detail?

01:10:58.300 They don't,

01:10:59.160 they literally take

01:10:59.800 like three,

01:11:00.780 like a one sentence

01:11:02.380 out of that

01:11:02.900 and then they don't

01:11:03.860 expand upon it.

01:11:04.780 You know,

01:11:04.980 they say don't judge

01:11:06.000 lest you be judged

01:11:06.980 and they don't expand

01:11:08.440 on the whole verse

01:11:09.580 which is saying,

01:11:10.380 hey,

01:11:10.520 don't,

01:11:11.420 you know,

01:11:11.680 don't judge hypocritically.

01:11:12.940 Like,

01:11:13.400 make sure,

01:11:15.000 be prepared.

01:11:16.000 You can,

01:11:16.400 you're supposed,

01:11:16.940 you're supposed to judge

01:11:17.740 as a Christian.

01:11:18.300 And I,

01:11:18.700 I'm about to say

01:11:21.040 that is like

01:11:21.540 majority of your job.

01:11:23.080 But like,

01:11:23.840 you know,

01:11:24.140 you have to be

01:11:25.340 making sure

01:11:26.060 you're not doing

01:11:26.580 the same thing

01:11:27.260 or understand

01:11:28.180 that you're also

01:11:29.420 going to be judged

01:11:30.320 which most people

01:11:32.020 under in,

01:11:33.940 in,

01:11:34.260 at least from my

01:11:34.940 discussion have,

01:11:35.780 have said,

01:11:36.340 yeah,

01:11:36.520 we,

01:11:36.720 we understand.

01:11:38.140 And there's,

01:11:39.180 there's causes

01:11:39.760 even,

01:11:40.480 there's,

01:11:40.760 there's reasons

01:11:41.580 to justify

01:11:42.340 like,

01:11:44.340 you know,

01:11:44.900 taking out evil,

01:11:46.160 you know,

01:11:46.840 you know,

01:11:47.340 going to war,

01:11:48.060 going to violence.

01:11:49.400 And it's like

01:11:50.340 the three reasons

01:11:51.740 in Christianity

01:11:52.360 is for defense,

01:11:54.380 enforcing justice

01:11:55.540 and punishing wrongdoers.

01:11:57.280 And I think in this,

01:11:58.800 in the Kirk situation,

01:11:59.980 you know,

01:12:00.240 where a lot of people

01:12:00.780 were calling for civil war,

01:12:01.820 I remember that was a thing

01:12:02.900 that you could argue

01:12:04.800 all three were

01:12:05.880 in this situation.

01:12:08.500 But yeah,

01:12:09.880 we,

01:12:10.100 we're,

01:12:10.440 you're called to

01:12:11.220 give forgiveness,

01:12:12.820 but forgiveness

01:12:14.040 also required repentance

01:12:15.580 and people keep

01:12:16.480 forgetting that part.

01:12:17.780 And repentance

01:12:18.620 requires work.

01:12:21.240 I'm,

01:12:21.920 I'm,

01:12:22.240 I'm back.

01:12:23.220 So I wanted to,

01:12:24.880 I'm right there with JC.

01:12:27.000 I don't think that,

01:12:28.040 I don't,

01:12:29.080 why do people

01:12:32.260 automatically associate

01:12:33.720 holding on to,

01:12:35.340 like,

01:12:36.040 not forgiving someone

01:12:37.480 with,

01:12:37.880 with it being bad?

01:12:39.580 It's just like,

01:12:40.940 we need to stop thinking

01:12:42.040 that if a man gets angry

01:12:43.420 that he's,

01:12:43.840 he's going to get violent.

01:12:45.360 I understand what I'm saying?

01:12:46.120 We have this thing

01:12:46.720 where if you don't forgive somebody,

01:12:48.640 it's going to,

01:12:49.120 no,

01:12:49.580 it's like,

01:12:50.540 some of the best motivators

01:12:52.380 was you getting bullied

01:12:54.120 and you harboring

01:12:56.180 that rage

01:12:57.180 towards your bully

01:12:58.500 to do better in life.

01:13:00.640 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:01.360 So Doug,

01:13:03.640 funny,

01:13:04.400 funny you mentioned it.

01:13:05.120 I had a quote for you

01:13:05.960 from the Bible

01:13:06.580 about anger

01:13:07.760 because there's such thing

01:13:08.540 as righteous anger.

01:13:09.840 Yeah,

01:13:10.080 exactly.

01:13:11.240 Ephesians 4,

01:13:12.200 26 through 27

01:13:13.220 says,

01:13:13.820 be angry

01:13:14.300 and do not sin.

01:13:17.560 So basically,

01:13:18.280 you are allowed

01:13:18.960 to be angry

01:13:19.580 as a Christian,

01:13:20.200 but you just cannot sin

01:13:21.800 because of your anger.

01:13:23.800 Manco Smash,

01:13:24.700 I think you had something similar,

01:13:26.160 so I brought you up too.

01:13:27.440 He's on Twitter,

01:13:28.300 guys,

01:13:28.540 if you want to follow him,

01:13:29.460 but what did you have

01:13:33.800 to say on the topic?

01:13:34.780 I think you were the one

01:13:35.460 who originally DM'd me

01:13:36.900 about this.

01:13:39.720 Wait,

01:13:40.040 am I unmuted now?

01:13:41.220 Yeah,

01:13:41.440 you're unmuted.

01:13:41.920 Welcome to the show.

01:13:44.900 All right,

01:13:45.600 yeah,

01:13:46.060 so the whole thing

01:13:47.840 was about Erica Kirk

01:13:49.560 doing this performative,

01:13:51.660 I forgive him

01:13:53.160 even though

01:13:54.160 he's completely unrepentant.

01:13:57.180 And this is something

01:13:58.580 I guess

01:13:59.780 that's associated with,

01:14:01.540 I mean,

01:14:01.820 I'm not into

01:14:02.480 all the different beliefs

01:14:03.460 of all the different denominations.

01:14:04.880 I'm not an expert on that,

01:14:05.960 but apparently

01:14:07.000 from what I've seen,

01:14:07.940 this is a very common thing

01:14:09.140 among evangelicals

01:14:10.440 that they do this

01:14:11.540 like performative forgiveness,

01:14:13.460 irrespective

01:14:14.980 of whether the person's repentant.

01:14:17.000 And the Bible's very clear

01:14:18.660 that you should forgive,

01:14:21.200 but only in response

01:14:22.760 to repentance.

01:14:23.620 And it's actually

01:14:24.920 pretty insane

01:14:25.800 when you do

01:14:27.240 forgiveness

01:14:27.820 without repentance

01:14:28.920 because you're essentially

01:14:30.220 you're letting them

01:14:33.540 off the hook

01:14:34.560 when they don't even agree

01:14:36.500 that they did anything wrong.

01:14:38.540 But what

01:14:39.540 all of the

01:14:40.800 like big Christian accounts

01:14:42.320 on X

01:14:42.880 have been saying

01:14:43.640 all day,

01:14:44.500 including Matt Walsh,

01:14:45.680 I'm very disappointed

01:14:46.500 in his take on this,

01:14:48.220 is that

01:14:48.980 oh,

01:14:50.560 it's okay

01:14:51.040 if you forgive

01:14:51.720 because it doesn't matter

01:14:52.860 because you can still punish.

01:14:56.580 And it's like,

01:14:57.100 no,

01:14:57.440 that's not what

01:14:58.120 forgiveness means.

01:14:59.540 When you forgive someone,

01:15:01.120 it means

01:15:01.740 I'm not pressing charges.

01:15:04.020 When you forgive someone,

01:15:06.200 it's commonly used,

01:15:07.540 for example,

01:15:08.080 when you forgive a debt.

01:15:10.040 When you forgive a debt,

01:15:11.300 it means they don't

01:15:12.240 have to pay you back.

01:15:14.100 So forgiveness

01:15:14.780 absolutely means

01:15:16.360 that you do not

01:15:17.320 seek further accountability.

01:15:19.040 You don't seek punishment.

01:15:20.260 And for them to say

01:15:22.100 like,

01:15:22.640 oh,

01:15:22.900 forgiveness

01:15:23.300 means,

01:15:24.880 you know,

01:15:25.600 just that you don't have

01:15:26.700 vengeance in your heart anymore,

01:15:28.120 but you still want them punished.

01:15:29.800 That's crazy.

01:15:31.220 And it's really like

01:15:32.220 new agey

01:15:33.620 therapy speak.

01:15:35.060 It's the kind of thing

01:15:35.880 that you would have

01:15:36.640 in like secular therapy

01:15:37.980 has nothing to do

01:15:39.260 with Christianity

01:15:39.840 or the Bible.

01:15:40.680 And it's crazy to me

01:15:42.060 that it's so appealing

01:15:43.860 to women

01:15:44.540 because what

01:15:45.600 what do women want to do?

01:15:47.300 Women want to

01:15:48.220 virtue signal.

01:15:49.020 They want to feel

01:15:50.520 good about themselves.

01:15:51.640 And this ties

01:15:52.820 directly into that,

01:15:54.580 which is why

01:15:55.760 it's so successful

01:15:56.800 in the whole new

01:15:57.500 agey therapy thing.

01:15:58.900 So the fact that

01:16:00.180 this completely

01:16:01.340 secular like belief system

01:16:03.100 has just completely

01:16:04.440 come into

01:16:05.600 modern Christianity,

01:16:07.480 especially evangelical

01:16:08.520 Christianity,

01:16:09.260 goes to show

01:16:10.560 what Pearl has been

01:16:11.480 saying all along,

01:16:12.440 which is that

01:16:13.440 modern Christianity,

01:16:14.680 which I always call

01:16:15.380 cuck Christianity,

01:16:16.440 Christianity is run

01:16:17.680 by women

01:16:18.600 and for women.

01:16:20.460 Yeah, I said

01:16:21.220 there's a tweet

01:16:22.000 I have here.

01:16:22.660 It says Erica

01:16:23.280 Kirk forgives

01:16:24.500 her husband's killer.

01:16:25.860 OK, but would she

01:16:26.780 have lunch with him

01:16:27.640 and introduce her

01:16:28.420 kids to him?

01:16:29.200 Let a friend

01:16:29.620 marry him?

01:16:30.620 Oh, it's not about

01:16:31.420 that.

01:16:31.860 So when a Christian

01:16:32.840 says they forgive

01:16:33.660 me for an insult,

01:16:34.600 I should expect

01:16:35.400 them to be lying

01:16:36.380 and still be spiteful.

01:16:38.960 Can I jump in

01:16:39.960 on that real quick?

01:16:40.860 Yeah, go ahead.

01:16:43.120 Somebody's got

01:16:43.680 bad background noise.

01:16:44.780 Who is that?

01:16:47.900 Oh, there.

01:16:48.900 OK, go ahead.

01:16:49.700 I agree with

01:16:50.280 mostly everything

01:16:51.120 Mako just just said.

01:16:53.120 But looking into

01:16:55.060 the Bible,

01:16:55.520 even even says

01:16:56.600 in John 1, 9,

01:16:58.140 it says God forgives

01:16:59.460 the sins of those

01:17:00.300 who confess and repent.

01:17:03.360 So this isn't even

01:17:04.420 like a free thing.

01:17:05.680 This is not something

01:17:06.400 you should be

01:17:06.840 giving out freely.

01:17:08.440 You people are

01:17:09.440 supposed to come

01:17:10.100 and confess their sins

01:17:11.540 and repent

01:17:12.320 to get forgiveness.

01:17:13.920 And then,

01:17:15.180 you know,

01:17:15.860 ignoring this

01:17:16.500 from the political

01:17:17.120 side or ignoring

01:17:18.360 this from the

01:17:18.760 religious side,

01:17:19.760 just looking at

01:17:20.340 on the political

01:17:20.820 side as well.

01:17:22.320 Her forgiving him

01:17:23.680 on live television

01:17:24.480 was not not

01:17:25.480 the greatest thing.

01:17:26.340 I understand

01:17:26.760 where she's coming

01:17:27.300 from.

01:17:27.920 I just it wasn't

01:17:28.820 a great thing

01:17:29.500 because Democrats

01:17:31.500 and liberals

01:17:32.180 are going to use

01:17:33.080 her forgiving him

01:17:34.260 to beat just

01:17:36.180 beat conservatives

01:17:37.220 and red pillars

01:17:37.900 over the head.

01:17:39.200 I mean, we've

01:17:39.540 already seen this

01:17:40.160 week how unhinged

01:17:41.160 destiny got.

01:17:41.960 Yeah.

01:17:43.540 So you're

01:17:45.000 going to hear

01:17:45.600 this line.

01:17:46.040 I guarantee you

01:17:46.580 you're going to

01:17:46.860 hear this line

01:17:47.400 from a Democrat

01:17:47.980 or a liberal

01:17:48.640 or a blue pill

01:17:49.840 or whatever.

01:17:50.700 They're going to

01:17:50.940 say, well,

01:17:52.600 her, his,

01:17:54.760 his wife forgave

01:17:56.400 him.

01:17:56.780 So why can't you?

01:17:57.840 Exactly.

01:17:58.400 You already know

01:17:59.040 what they're going

01:17:59.440 to say.

01:17:59.900 Yeah.

01:18:00.220 Or his wife

01:18:01.840 has moved on.

01:18:02.480 Why haven't you

01:18:03.040 moved on?

01:18:03.800 And I just see

01:18:04.540 this.

01:18:05.060 If you could share

01:18:05.680 my screen for a

01:18:06.600 second.

01:18:06.860 I just see

01:18:09.700 this like young

01:18:10.620 ladies in a world

01:18:11.480 of Cardi B's

01:18:12.480 being Erica

01:18:13.160 Kirk.

01:18:14.660 And I understand

01:18:16.480 the sentiment.

01:18:17.440 I know the women

01:18:18.000 are trying to come

01:18:18.620 together, but it

01:18:19.420 just almost seems

01:18:20.340 like we're

01:18:20.780 worshipping Erica

01:18:22.100 Kirk now.

01:18:23.500 And I don't know

01:18:24.360 if that's the best

01:18:25.180 place for a grieving

01:18:27.100 widow to be.

01:18:28.160 Like if we're

01:18:28.520 really looking out

01:18:29.220 in her best interest,

01:18:30.920 is the best place

01:18:31.980 for her to be right

01:18:32.860 now in the spotlight

01:18:34.100 on a pedestal

01:18:35.340 leading a $20

01:18:36.900 million organization

01:18:38.100 when she's got

01:18:38.960 two kids at home.

01:18:40.620 But I don't think

01:18:41.380 a single person

01:18:42.220 is saying that

01:18:42.980 because nobody

01:18:43.620 wants to hurt

01:18:44.180 her feelings.

01:18:46.620 I mean, my two cents.

01:18:48.860 I think people

01:18:51.060 want to use her

01:18:52.160 as this like symbol

01:18:53.420 and rallying cry,

01:18:54.820 but I don't really

01:18:56.500 think she's

01:18:57.340 equipped for that.

01:18:58.840 Like I think that

01:18:59.760 if you keep

01:19:00.580 doing this with her,

01:19:02.360 it's, I mean,

01:19:03.500 she's just a mother.

01:19:04.440 She wasn't like

01:19:05.200 number two at

01:19:06.140 Turning Point

01:19:06.680 or anything like that.

01:19:08.000 And her taking

01:19:08.700 over Turning Point

01:19:09.580 is just going to

01:19:10.380 be a figurehead role.

01:19:11.900 She's not going to

01:19:12.560 actually be in charge.

01:19:13.800 She's not the

01:19:14.280 personality that was

01:19:15.120 making everything work.

01:19:16.640 She was a mom

01:19:17.500 who was at home

01:19:18.260 with her kids.

01:19:19.480 So trying to take

01:19:21.280 her and turn her,

01:19:22.640 transform her

01:19:23.320 into this like

01:19:24.280 big girl boss,

01:19:26.300 I don't know.

01:19:26.880 I don't think it's

01:19:27.600 going to work out

01:19:28.100 very well.

01:19:28.340 And the women

01:19:28.860 keep saying that,

01:19:30.060 you know,

01:19:30.340 she had like a Bible

01:19:31.380 reading app before,

01:19:33.260 but I'm just

01:19:34.880 keep thinking,

01:19:35.400 do you know

01:19:35.600 how different that

01:19:36.340 it, do you know

01:19:36.860 how many employees

01:19:37.800 Turning Point

01:19:38.460 has?

01:19:38.880 I don't actually

01:19:39.560 know, but if I

01:19:40.260 had to guess,

01:19:40.820 it's probably 100

01:19:41.840 to 200 employees

01:19:43.180 if I had to guess.

01:19:44.560 I think I looked

01:19:45.480 it up a few days

01:19:46.320 ago.

01:19:46.860 It's several

01:19:47.400 hundred and their

01:19:48.720 revenues were like

01:19:49.620 $80 million or

01:19:50.640 something.

01:19:51.000 Do you know

01:19:51.280 how hard that job

01:19:52.580 is?

01:19:53.080 I mean, most men

01:19:54.000 aren't able to,

01:19:54.700 like most men

01:19:55.480 could not do that

01:19:56.440 job.

01:19:57.400 Most men.

01:19:57.920 And now you're

01:19:59.460 putting a woman

01:20:00.340 whose natural

01:20:01.380 proclivities,

01:20:02.800 who doesn't have

01:20:03.500 the experience

01:20:04.160 and her natural

01:20:05.000 proclivities really

01:20:05.960 aren't designed

01:20:06.680 for that role.

01:20:08.480 I just don't think

01:20:09.340 anyone seems to be,

01:20:10.500 it just seems like

01:20:11.160 everyone wants to

01:20:11.940 see what they can

01:20:12.720 get out of his

01:20:13.340 death instead of

01:20:15.020 having an honest

01:20:15.620 conversation about

01:20:16.700 what is best,

01:20:18.200 you know,

01:20:18.500 for the grieving

01:20:19.120 family.

01:20:20.680 I think it was,

01:20:21.820 I think it was

01:20:22.400 Steven Crowder or

01:20:23.600 Andrew Wilson that

01:20:24.580 mentioned that this

01:20:25.420 will create a power

01:20:26.380 vacuum.

01:20:27.080 It was one of those

01:20:28.060 two, I believe.

01:20:29.400 Oh, I didn't hear

01:20:29.940 that, but yeah,

01:20:30.960 that sounds like

01:20:31.600 something they would

01:20:32.240 say, to be honest.

01:20:33.340 They would be one of

01:20:34.140 the few to acknowledge

01:20:34.940 this.

01:20:35.760 Glenn, welcome to

01:20:36.480 the show.

01:20:38.340 JC, I'm gonna,

01:20:39.660 I'm gonna have to

01:20:40.440 drop you, but thanks

01:20:41.220 for joining.

01:20:43.180 No problem,

01:20:43.680 brother.

01:20:44.600 All right.

01:20:45.740 Yo, hold on.

01:20:47.740 All right, Glenn.

01:20:48.440 What are your

01:20:49.640 thoughts on the

01:20:50.620 topic?

01:20:51.540 Do you think

01:20:52.300 Christians should

01:20:53.280 forgive pure evil?

01:20:55.880 So, forgiveness

01:20:57.720 is not for the

01:20:59.560 individual, it's for

01:21:00.880 the person that

01:21:02.160 is being, that's

01:21:03.840 been grieved

01:21:04.520 against, right?

01:21:05.160 Like, I forgive

01:21:06.300 somebody for

01:21:07.000 murdering somebody,

01:21:07.720 but that doesn't

01:21:08.360 mean I'm gonna

01:21:08.760 help let them

01:21:09.360 avoid the

01:21:09.840 consequences of

01:21:10.840 murdering somebody,

01:21:11.840 right?

01:21:13.060 Like, I'm

01:21:14.660 forgiving you, so

01:21:15.320 I'm not harboring

01:21:16.300 any of that

01:21:17.260 resentment.

01:21:17.820 So, I'm

01:21:20.200 being, like,

01:21:20.820 infringed upon,

01:21:21.700 right?

01:21:22.780 In my faith.

01:21:24.040 But that doesn't

01:21:24.860 mean, like, I'm

01:21:25.420 gonna let you

01:21:25.920 avoid the

01:21:26.500 consequences of

01:21:27.380 your actions,

01:21:28.540 right?

01:21:28.860 Like, it doesn't

01:21:29.160 mean you get to

01:21:30.280 escape justice.

01:21:32.140 Manko, is

01:21:32.800 that the, did

01:21:34.100 you say that, or

01:21:34.840 was that JC?

01:21:36.000 That sounds like

01:21:36.720 the opposite of

01:21:37.480 what one of you

01:21:38.060 were saying, so

01:21:38.820 I'm just curious.

01:21:40.160 Yeah, I said

01:21:41.400 that's, that's,

01:21:42.560 like, meaningless

01:21:43.500 forgiveness that's

01:21:44.760 all about, I

01:21:46.120 guess, your own

01:21:47.060 personal emotions

01:21:48.120 that has no

01:21:48.900 effect on the

01:21:49.480 outside world, which

01:21:50.300 I think is just

01:21:51.040 kind of strange

01:21:51.820 because, so, for

01:21:52.740 example, if your

01:21:53.880 wife cheated on

01:21:54.600 you, and then you

01:21:55.740 forgave her, but

01:21:56.760 you're like, oh, I

01:21:57.460 forgive you, but I'm

01:21:59.000 still gonna divorce

01:21:59.800 you.

01:22:00.280 What?

01:22:00.980 Does that make any

01:22:01.700 sense?

01:22:02.160 It doesn't seem.

01:22:02.820 Yes, that makes

01:22:04.100 perfect sense.

01:22:05.360 I forgive you for

01:22:06.580 the wrong that

01:22:07.280 you've done, but

01:22:08.040 that doesn't mean

01:22:08.620 you get to avoid

01:22:10.080 the consequences

01:22:10.940 of your actions.

01:22:13.260 Right?

01:22:13.880 Like, if somebody

01:22:15.800 says, like, I'm

01:22:17.020 sorry for stealing

01:22:17.900 from you, are

01:22:19.980 you, but you're

01:22:21.100 not gonna, so

01:22:22.140 that means you're

01:22:22.540 just not gonna,

01:22:23.000 like, call the

01:22:24.160 cops for them

01:22:25.240 stealing from you?

01:22:26.540 Like, does that

01:22:32.900 make sense?

01:22:33.180 Yeah, I mean,

01:22:33.580 pretty much that's

01:22:34.740 exactly what it

01:22:35.480 means when you,

01:22:36.480 when you forgive

01:22:37.300 someone, you're

01:22:38.520 letting them off

01:22:39.160 the hook.

01:22:39.700 That's what

01:22:40.100 forgiveness does.

01:22:41.400 No, no, no, no.

01:22:42.200 I don't think

01:22:42.740 that's forgiveness

01:22:43.320 at all.

01:22:45.220 Forgiveness is

01:22:45.940 not absence of

01:22:46.800 justice, because

01:22:48.720 in the Bible it

01:22:49.560 says that love

01:22:50.280 does not rejoice

01:22:51.220 when injustice is

01:22:52.320 done.

01:22:53.180 So if someone

01:22:53.780 has done something

01:22:54.620 wrong, and they

01:22:55.840 get away with

01:22:56.480 it, that is

01:22:57.620 injustice.

01:23:02.780 So when a

01:23:04.280 politician like

01:23:04.980 the president or

01:23:05.960 governor pardons

01:23:07.560 someone, isn't

01:23:08.600 that a form of

01:23:09.520 forgiveness?

01:23:11.060 That's their

01:23:12.300 position.

01:23:12.980 They have the

01:23:13.700 grounds to

01:23:14.520 render that

01:23:15.480 level of

01:23:17.280 administration,

01:23:20.040 administrative,

01:23:21.000 you know,

01:23:21.720 forgiveness or

01:23:22.640 maintenance or

01:23:24.680 some type of

01:23:25.480 resolved there.

01:23:28.620 But that doesn't

01:23:29.440 mean that the

01:23:29.760 individual is

01:23:30.540 forgiven.

01:23:32.360 Like for somebody

01:23:33.280 gets pardoned,

01:23:34.240 they've already

01:23:34.660 served some time.

01:23:36.320 They've been in

01:23:36.700 prison for however

01:23:37.760 long, and then

01:23:38.820 now they're being

01:23:39.380 pardoned.

01:23:39.980 They're not having

01:23:40.420 to do the full

01:23:41.080 sentence, but they

01:23:42.140 still had to face

01:23:42.800 a consequence.

01:23:43.700 The consequences

01:23:44.300 Hunter Biden, he

01:23:46.060 just pardoned, Joe

01:23:46.820 Biden pardoned his

01:23:47.960 son.

01:23:48.660 To me, that was

01:23:50.300 wrong to begin

01:23:51.140 with.

01:23:51.360 That was illegal.

01:23:52.440 If you ask me, I

01:23:53.600 think that that

01:23:54.380 was just my

01:23:57.160 opinion.

01:23:57.760 Like, how are you

01:23:58.340 going to give him a

01:23:58.840 pardon all the way

01:23:59.560 from 2014, you

01:24:02.840 know, and to the

01:24:03.680 future so he can't

01:24:05.100 be tried?

01:24:05.460 I mean, that

01:24:05.840 was, yeah.

01:24:08.720 I just don't

01:24:09.480 understand why

01:24:10.500 we're still on

01:24:11.100 this whole, you

01:24:12.420 have to forgive

01:24:13.300 somebody or it

01:24:15.260 will destroy you

01:24:16.100 type of thing.

01:24:16.640 I think that's

01:24:17.520 some of the

01:24:17.880 biggest bunch of

01:24:18.520 garbage ever.

01:24:20.160 Well, I think the

01:24:20.900 forgiveness aspect

01:24:21.900 is like...

01:24:22.940 Wait, let him

01:24:23.680 finish, let him

01:24:24.400 finish.

01:24:25.400 Do you want to

01:24:26.120 finish what you're

01:24:26.540 saying?

01:24:27.040 And then you can

01:24:28.160 go.

01:24:28.620 Go ahead.

01:24:29.020 Yeah, I just, I

01:24:30.640 think that that's a

01:24:31.500 dumb narrative that

01:24:32.960 like, that like

01:24:34.180 powerful people,

01:24:34.840 powerful people

01:24:35.840 tell, tell weaker

01:24:38.800 or poorer people.

01:24:39.800 I don't know.

01:24:40.500 There's some kind

01:24:41.100 of nefarious, maybe

01:24:42.800 that's not what

01:24:43.360 I'm trying to say.

01:24:43.900 I think there's

01:24:44.520 some kind of

01:24:45.020 nefariousness to

01:24:46.060 it to say that

01:24:47.080 you have to

01:24:47.740 forgive somebody

01:24:48.480 or somehow it's

01:24:49.660 going to have a

01:24:50.160 negative impact

01:24:50.940 on your life.

01:24:51.460 I don't think

01:24:51.940 so.

01:24:52.300 I really don't.

01:24:53.500 I think that there

01:24:54.780 are people in times

01:24:55.540 where you should

01:24:56.060 hold grudges for

01:24:56.940 life.

01:24:58.220 Life.

01:24:59.560 Well, I mean,

01:25:00.280 like I say,

01:25:01.160 like, you can

01:25:02.260 forgive them.

01:25:02.800 You don't have to

01:25:03.100 forget what they

01:25:03.680 did.

01:25:04.840 Yeah, but like,

01:25:05.560 why do you have

01:25:06.280 to forgive them

01:25:07.040 though?

01:25:07.300 Like, like, like,

01:25:08.560 do you think that

01:25:09.680 there's ever a

01:25:10.600 positive reason or

01:25:11.900 a positive state of

01:25:14.020 being that involves

01:25:15.160 not forgiving

01:25:15.880 somebody?

01:25:16.720 Or do you just

01:25:17.120 think it's a

01:25:17.580 blanket thing?

01:25:18.840 Well, it's like,

01:25:19.340 I look at it like

01:25:20.140 this.

01:25:20.480 Like, we ask God

01:25:22.880 to forgive us of

01:25:23.780 our wrongdoings,

01:25:24.640 the things that we

01:25:25.380 have done that

01:25:26.040 are egregious or

01:25:27.920 have offended him,

01:25:29.800 right?

01:25:31.200 And he extends that

01:25:32.520 level of forgiveness.

01:25:34.080 He says, repent and

01:25:35.720 sin no more,

01:25:36.980 right?

01:25:37.760 And we are able to

01:25:40.220 commune again with

01:25:41.040 him until we

01:25:42.320 breach that, you

01:25:43.720 know, we do

01:25:44.020 something wrong

01:25:44.560 again, and then we

01:25:45.120 have to ask for

01:25:45.540 forgiveness.

01:25:46.240 So it's like, it's a

01:25:47.440 practice, the same

01:25:48.380 thing that he set the

01:25:49.340 standard and he's

01:25:51.840 like, do as I have

01:25:52.620 done, right?

01:25:53.280 Like, so as I have

01:25:54.600 forgiven you for

01:25:56.780 your wrongdoings, you

01:25:59.160 forgive others that

01:26:00.840 do wrong towards you.

01:26:01.920 That doesn't mean that

01:26:02.480 they avoid the

01:26:03.260 consequence of their

01:26:05.580 actions, because every

01:26:06.420 action does have a

01:26:07.460 consequence.

01:26:10.120 I don't think so.

01:26:11.880 I think some people

01:26:12.740 have no consequences

01:26:14.000 for their actions.

01:26:15.660 Well, I can see that

01:26:16.640 in recent times.

01:26:17.360 I don't know.

01:26:18.160 I won't lie.

01:26:20.460 What you're saying is

01:26:21.600 like confusing me a

01:26:22.620 little bit.

01:26:22.960 Like, I think I can

01:26:25.280 clear this up.

01:26:26.060 Yeah, go ahead.

01:26:26.820 So there's two

01:26:27.960 different definitions of

01:26:29.300 forgive that are kind

01:26:30.560 of being put out here.

01:26:31.760 Okay.

01:26:32.140 So my way of looking

01:26:33.940 at forgiveness, and I

01:26:34.940 think it's the way

01:26:36.380 that's the correct way

01:26:37.520 is that when you

01:26:39.340 forgive someone, it's

01:26:40.380 like a pardon.

01:26:41.300 It's like forgiving a

01:26:42.440 debt.

01:26:42.800 When you forgive a

01:26:43.560 debt, that means they

01:26:44.280 don't have to pay you

01:26:45.080 back.

01:26:45.920 When someone owes you

01:26:47.380 money and you say, I

01:26:49.140 forgive your debt, it

01:26:50.200 doesn't mean, well, I

01:26:51.420 don't resent that you

01:26:52.620 haven't been paying me.

01:26:54.160 However, you still

01:26:54.840 got to pay the money

01:26:55.460 back.

01:26:56.180 Like, it means that

01:26:57.440 you don't have to pay

01:26:57.980 them back anymore.

01:26:59.080 Then the other

01:26:59.900 definition, and this I

01:27:01.520 kind of associate more

01:27:02.880 with like a modern new

01:27:04.000 agey therapy type of

01:27:05.180 outlook.

01:27:06.140 Yeah.

01:27:06.780 Is that you're just

01:27:08.460 saying I am, I am not

01:27:10.660 going to feel resentment

01:27:11.600 anymore.

01:27:12.160 And then this is like,

01:27:13.840 makes me feel good

01:27:14.880 because now I don't

01:27:15.840 have to carry the

01:27:16.660 resentment and that's

01:27:18.380 all it means.

01:27:18.820 Oh, and that, so

01:27:19.440 it's almost like it's

01:27:20.260 like a, it's like a

01:27:21.280 semantics argument in a

01:27:22.680 way.

01:27:23.620 Um, so I want, but

01:27:24.580 it's like, it's like

01:27:26.380 her, her, uh, it's like

01:27:28.400 Erica Kirk saying, I

01:27:30.980 don't want to carry

01:27:32.200 hatred in my heart

01:27:33.660 anymore.

01:27:34.140 So I, I forgive you.

01:27:36.320 Therefore, I no longer

01:27:37.420 have hatred in my heart.

01:27:38.860 Does that make sense?

01:27:39.700 What's so bad about

01:27:41.720 carrying hatred in your

01:27:42.960 heart though?

01:27:43.580 I don't think it's a

01:27:44.240 bad thing all the time.

01:27:45.260 I really don't.

01:27:45.660 But Doug, are you

01:27:46.340 speaking from a

01:27:47.100 Christian perspective?

01:27:47.840 No, I'm not.

01:27:48.680 I'm not.

01:27:49.280 I'm just saying

01:27:50.800 conceptually.

01:27:54.400 So I'm not.

01:27:55.040 So yeah, because in

01:27:56.120 the Bible, Christ does

01:27:57.420 command that we should

01:27:59.020 forgive.

01:27:59.720 Although the Bible also

01:28:01.480 says that they should

01:28:02.500 repent first and then

01:28:03.840 you forgive.

01:28:05.120 No, it doesn't

01:28:06.000 actually.

01:28:06.700 It doesn't actually

01:28:07.280 say that.

01:28:07.920 Maxwell.

01:28:08.900 It does.

01:28:09.220 Multiple times.

01:28:09.700 Maxwell, I brought

01:28:10.740 you up.

01:28:12.360 I guess I don't want

01:28:13.380 to make this too in

01:28:14.520 the weeds about

01:28:15.120 religion, but I'll go

01:28:16.340 I'll go a little bit

01:28:17.260 further before, you

01:28:18.680 know, but but you

01:28:20.680 said that they are

01:28:21.840 misunderstanding the

01:28:23.080 Bible.

01:28:23.840 I'm just curious.

01:28:24.800 What do you think

01:28:25.640 they're misunderstanding?

01:28:28.580 Hello, can you hear

01:28:29.460 me?

01:28:29.680 I can hear you.

01:28:30.780 Go ahead.

01:28:32.220 OK, so it's pretty

01:28:34.200 bad, actually.

01:28:35.920 First of all,

01:28:37.680 manco smash, your

01:28:39.000 misunderstanding the

01:28:40.000 scripture big time.

01:28:40.780 You're equating what

01:28:42.480 God's forgiveness is

01:28:44.340 according to how he

01:28:45.560 wants his subjects to

01:28:47.120 forgive.

01:28:47.900 Those are not the same

01:28:48.640 thing.

01:28:49.320 In order to have

01:28:50.160 salvation through God's

01:28:52.040 repentance, but in

01:28:54.080 order for us to follow in

01:28:55.820 God's footsteps and mirror

01:28:57.620 him, we need to be

01:28:59.300 forgiving.

01:29:00.360 The Bible says in

01:29:01.320 Matthew, we need to

01:29:02.120 forgive up to 77 times.

01:29:04.360 Do you remember that

01:29:07.180 scripture?

01:29:10.260 Yeah.

01:29:12.640 I know what you're

01:29:14.060 referring to.

01:29:15.520 Yeah.

01:29:16.340 Up to 77 times.

01:29:18.140 When Jesus died in Luke

01:29:19.860 23, 34, he said,

01:29:21.960 Father, forgive them

01:29:23.280 for they do not know

01:29:24.600 what they are doing.

01:29:25.920 This doesn't mean

01:29:26.740 people didn't know that

01:29:28.680 he shot a person.

01:29:30.140 What it means is they

01:29:31.400 don't know the extent of

01:29:33.480 the evil that they

01:29:34.200 wrought, even in

01:29:35.240 killing God's son.

01:29:36.980 I don't know.

01:29:37.620 I think this is where

01:29:38.400 Christians kind of lose

01:29:39.600 me because I'm like,

01:29:40.900 look, I'm not that

01:29:42.240 religious.

01:29:42.700 I'm not going to argue

01:29:43.360 the Bible with you.

01:29:44.380 I'm not going to argue

01:29:44.940 the Bible with you, but

01:29:45.860 I think it's where you

01:29:46.700 lose kind of logical

01:29:47.900 people because most

01:29:49.680 people that do wrong

01:29:50.620 things know exactly what

01:29:51.820 they're doing.

01:29:53.080 I mean, come on.

01:29:54.340 Yeah.

01:29:54.680 Come on.

01:29:55.240 Like, let's just be,

01:29:56.820 let's just like be

01:29:57.660 pragmatic.

01:29:58.180 Come on.

01:30:00.080 This dude, this dude,

01:30:01.340 you're telling me he

01:30:02.220 woke up that day,

01:30:03.900 drove three hours,

01:30:05.280 got a gun, got on

01:30:06.440 top of the, he could

01:30:07.700 have got on top and

01:30:08.600 left, but he got on

01:30:09.840 top, sniped, ran away

01:30:12.060 and he didn't know the

01:30:13.620 extent.

01:30:14.320 Like, come on.

01:30:15.620 Let me clarify.

01:30:16.680 And I know, I'm sure

01:30:17.920 there's like, it seems

01:30:18.860 like this is just to,

01:30:20.860 it just seems like people

01:30:22.000 make the Bible say

01:30:23.100 anything.

01:30:24.080 Like, it's just, I

01:30:25.400 mean, this is where

01:30:26.140 you kind of lose

01:30:26.860 people just in

01:30:28.200 general.

01:30:28.660 My opinion is I

01:30:29.800 don't think Erica

01:30:30.680 has like truly like

01:30:32.420 been able to like

01:30:35.480 decompress or like

01:30:36.580 really process

01:30:37.240 everything yet to

01:30:38.280 like say that she

01:30:39.100 forgives this, this

01:30:41.140 guy.

01:30:41.400 I think it's more

01:30:41.860 politically correct

01:30:42.860 for her to virtue

01:30:43.760 signal.

01:30:44.340 Like, I know it's

01:30:45.480 not, it's not

01:30:46.020 political.

01:30:46.420 It's not political at

01:30:47.220 all.

01:30:47.460 It's biblical.

01:30:48.480 Now I agree with

01:30:49.300 Pearl.

01:30:49.680 I personally used to

01:30:51.140 be a very avid

01:30:52.160 Christian.

01:30:52.760 I'm not anymore.

01:30:53.820 What I'm here to do

01:30:54.760 is clarify her

01:30:55.960 position.

01:30:56.700 This isn't new

01:30:57.560 agey stuff, Manco.

01:30:59.300 This isn't new agey.

01:31:00.320 All right.

01:31:00.880 All right.

01:31:01.220 I need to start

01:31:01.860 pushing back because

01:31:02.920 now I'm being told,

01:31:04.220 I'm being told by an

01:31:05.780 apostate how the Bible

01:31:07.440 works.

01:31:08.620 So an apostate.

01:31:09.560 Oh, okay.

01:31:10.240 Yeah.

01:31:10.500 So sit down.

01:31:11.920 Luke, no, stop.

01:31:13.560 I'm going to talk now.

01:31:14.980 Luke 17 says, verse

01:31:18.220 three, if another, and

01:31:20.100 this is Christ's words,

01:31:21.500 if another believer

01:31:23.020 sins, rebuke that

01:31:24.800 person, then if there

01:31:26.820 is repentance, forgive.

01:31:31.460 That's what the Bible

01:31:32.320 says.

01:31:37.120 But forgiveness does

01:31:38.260 not mean a void of

01:31:39.220 consequence.

01:31:41.140 I don't know.

01:31:42.240 If I'm being honest,

01:31:44.000 Glenn, it kind of made

01:31:44.800 sense what he was

01:31:45.560 saying earlier.

01:31:46.380 Like that made more

01:31:47.000 sense to me.

01:31:48.220 And I'm not, I'm not

01:31:48.940 that religious.

01:31:49.540 I could be wrong, but

01:31:50.380 I'm just saying like,

01:31:51.760 what are you, what are

01:31:52.320 you saying?

01:31:52.700 The thing about

01:31:53.300 forgiving means getting

01:31:54.620 rid, like forgiving a

01:31:55.740 debt.

01:31:56.900 That kind of, that made

01:31:57.940 sense to me.

01:31:58.980 Well, it's, it's like

01:32:00.440 this, like, well, one

01:32:01.580 forgiveness is not an

01:32:02.980 option.

01:32:03.360 It's a command, right?

01:32:05.080 Biblically speaking, you

01:32:06.520 see that in Matthew 6,

01:32:07.720 14 or 6, verse 14 to

01:32:09.480 15, right?

01:32:10.820 For you forgive others

01:32:12.480 of their trespasses.

01:32:13.700 Your heavenly father will

01:32:14.680 also forgive you.

01:32:16.020 But for you that don't

01:32:17.380 forgive others of their

01:32:18.340 trespasses, neither will

01:32:19.800 the father forgive your

01:32:21.020 trespasses.

01:32:21.840 So it's like, if we

01:32:22.820 want our sins to be

01:32:23.740 forgiven, that we

01:32:25.440 commit against God, then

01:32:26.580 we need to also

01:32:28.580 forgive, right?

01:32:29.920 You know, do that

01:32:31.980 action that he has

01:32:32.920 given you, right?

01:32:34.020 But also like, because

01:32:35.580 the forgiveness mirrors

01:32:36.680 God's character,

01:32:38.000 essentially, but

01:32:39.860 forgiveness does not

01:32:41.260 mean ignoring of

01:32:42.320 justice, right?

01:32:43.740 Because God says the

01:32:44.600 vengeance is mine, says

01:32:45.640 the Lord.

01:32:45.980 So let justice, let God

01:32:48.220 deal with the vengeance

01:32:49.160 and, and, and, and

01:32:50.400 yeah, so basically

01:32:51.820 letting them deal with

01:32:52.760 their consequences, but

01:32:53.980 not you implementing

01:32:54.980 it.

01:32:55.180 I'm not, I'm not going to

01:32:56.520 be able to quote the

01:32:57.340 Bible or anything, but

01:32:58.460 I'm just thinking about

01:32:59.600 the patterns I've seen in

01:33:00.700 my life.

01:33:01.640 And a woman taking that

01:33:03.900 definition and changing

01:33:05.920 it would kind of make

01:33:06.840 sense to me to like,

01:33:09.760 yeah, that would, that

01:33:11.300 would kind of mean.

01:33:11.720 Women do it all the

01:33:12.420 time.

01:33:12.680 Like when Manko was

01:33:14.760 talking, that just

01:33:15.620 seemed to make a lot

01:33:16.940 of sense.

01:33:18.240 I was just, I, I, but

01:33:19.480 I'm not, I'm not a

01:33:20.700 Bible, like, I don't

01:33:21.700 know the Bible through

01:33:22.540 and through, so I

01:33:23.120 don't know.

01:33:24.120 It's just when you,

01:33:25.140 when you said that it

01:33:26.620 was almost like a

01:33:27.460 clarity that made

01:33:28.580 everything that I

01:33:29.900 disagreed with before

01:33:31.060 kind of makes sense.

01:33:32.080 Go ahead.

01:33:33.440 Yeah.

01:33:34.560 Yeah.

01:33:35.060 So when it comes to

01:33:36.260 something, there's this

01:33:37.060 concept, statutory

01:33:38.620 constructions, how

01:33:39.840 different courts

01:33:40.900 interpret different laws

01:33:42.220 and read them

01:33:42.900 together.

01:33:43.300 So they're not

01:33:43.940 contradictory.

01:33:45.080 So I stated a very

01:33:47.000 clear kind of commandment

01:33:48.660 from Jesus and all

01:33:49.540 that kind of stuff.

01:33:50.440 And then other people

01:33:51.480 pointed out, well, in

01:33:53.520 other parts of the

01:33:54.380 Bible, he doesn't talk

01:33:56.260 about repentance.

01:33:57.200 He doesn't always

01:33:58.120 mention it.

01:33:59.480 Well, here's the

01:34:00.720 thing, but he does

01:34:02.080 explicitly mention it

01:34:03.680 some of the time.

01:34:04.920 And he does say, for

01:34:06.600 example, if there is

01:34:07.860 repentance, forgive.

01:34:08.780 So the fact that he

01:34:10.940 doesn't always say if

01:34:12.480 there is repentance

01:34:14.080 in every other part of

01:34:16.200 the Bible doesn't mean

01:34:17.900 that that condition

01:34:18.760 isn't there.

01:34:19.740 And it doesn't mean

01:34:20.620 that when he did say

01:34:21.660 it, that's now

01:34:22.260 nullified and like

01:34:23.460 overridden.

01:34:24.360 It just means that you

01:34:26.320 don't always say like

01:34:27.480 every caveat every time

01:34:29.080 you speak.

01:34:30.060 So I think the Bible's

01:34:32.520 pretty clear and it

01:34:33.120 never contradicts that

01:34:34.180 position.

01:34:34.640 The Bible never says

01:34:36.380 forgive even if there

01:34:38.140 isn't repentance, but

01:34:39.440 it does say if there

01:34:41.180 is repentance, forgive.

01:34:42.720 So you should take the

01:34:44.760 interpretation.

01:34:45.520 I know this is the

01:34:46.180 problem.

01:34:46.620 This is why people

01:34:47.520 criticize like Protestant

01:34:49.400 churches where instead

01:34:50.900 of having like a

01:34:52.000 hierarchy of an

01:34:54.020 establishment church that

01:34:55.280 actually officially

01:34:56.400 decides what the Bible

01:34:57.560 means and then tells

01:34:58.480 everyone and then they

01:34:59.320 follow that in

01:35:00.580 Protestant churches,

01:35:01.520 everyone kind of decides

01:35:02.980 for themselves.

01:35:03.660 that's like sola

01:35:04.880 scriptura or something.

01:35:06.920 And so people can get

01:35:08.220 these very wildly

01:35:09.640 differently differing

01:35:11.200 interpretations.

01:35:12.240 But that's yeah,

01:35:13.800 that's my take on it.

01:35:14.820 I understand.

01:35:15.660 OK, guys, I'm going to

01:35:16.520 drop you because I do

01:35:18.600 appreciate all the

01:35:19.400 points, but this is more

01:35:20.560 of the weeds that I was

01:35:21.460 actually trying to.

01:35:22.240 I was you guys are all

01:35:23.080 interesting, so I enjoyed

01:35:24.280 the back and forth, but

01:35:25.400 it's more of the weeds.

01:35:26.840 Can I leave with one

01:35:28.220 question, though?

01:35:29.240 Just the question real

01:35:30.480 quick.

01:35:30.980 OK, if if the idea is

01:35:33.260 that if Erica forgave

01:35:35.540 the shooter, then

01:35:37.400 should the shooter be

01:35:38.240 set free?

01:35:40.260 Absolutely not.

01:35:41.580 No, absolutely

01:35:43.420 not.

01:35:44.120 Yeah, if Erica

01:35:47.300 is the president, then

01:35:48.640 she could do that.

01:35:49.580 Right.

01:35:49.780 If she was the president

01:35:50.860 or like the governor

01:35:52.480 or someone in a position

01:35:53.580 of power.

01:35:54.440 I'm sorry.

01:35:55.320 With the way we have it,

01:35:56.180 I bet she would.

01:35:57.860 That's like.

01:35:58.840 No, I don't think so.

01:36:00.060 I don't think so.

01:36:01.100 Wait, hold on.

01:36:02.460 What Pearl's trying to

01:36:03.220 say is, is if it would

01:36:05.300 because her forgiving

01:36:07.360 him is performative in

01:36:09.640 and of itself.

01:36:10.700 I think that if her

01:36:12.220 handlers were able to

01:36:13.800 say you letting him

01:36:15.180 free would would

01:36:17.200 give you this amount

01:36:19.400 of fame or this amount

01:36:20.440 of clout or this amount

01:36:21.440 of money, there would be

01:36:22.500 a scenario where she'd

01:36:23.640 do it.

01:36:23.960 I guarantee it.

01:36:24.700 And then women, you

01:36:25.660 know, they have this need

01:36:27.060 to, oh, he can, he

01:36:28.860 can reform and he can

01:36:30.140 this and he can that.

01:36:31.260 So there would be a

01:36:32.580 scenario that she would

01:36:33.400 do it.

01:36:33.640 I guarantee it.

01:36:35.060 No, I don't put it

01:36:37.040 past any of these.

01:36:38.040 Yeah.

01:36:38.300 No, there's women that

01:36:39.220 have gone to court and

01:36:40.980 testified that they don't

01:36:42.560 want the death penalty

01:36:43.580 for someone who's like

01:36:44.560 killed a husband or

01:36:45.660 relative.

01:36:46.460 Yeah.

01:36:46.920 I mean, I saw this thing

01:36:47.880 on Twitter.

01:36:48.480 I don't know if it was

01:36:49.080 real or not.

01:36:49.860 So, but it was

01:36:51.220 basically of this woman

01:36:52.540 who allowed her like

01:36:55.000 mother's killer back

01:36:56.440 into her home.

01:36:57.320 And then she got killed

01:36:58.560 too.

01:36:59.540 Yeah.

01:36:59.940 Like she let him stay.

01:37:01.200 And I'm like, that's

01:37:01.920 sad.

01:37:02.220 I'm not, I'm not saying

01:37:03.020 it's real because I don't

01:37:04.700 know, but the fact that

01:37:05.860 like, I could believe

01:37:07.640 that would happen.

01:37:08.780 I just, I, my God, I

01:37:10.460 just, I could see a

01:37:11.240 woman doing that.

01:37:12.000 But historically we had

01:37:13.620 to go with the guy that,

01:37:15.060 you know, killed the

01:37:15.760 other guy.

01:37:16.380 So it doesn't make

01:37:17.340 sense.

01:37:17.640 It kind of makes sense

01:37:19.480 to me that we have

01:37:20.180 sympathy for the other

01:37:21.300 guy.

01:37:22.440 But wanted to point out

01:37:23.580 like when I asked that

01:37:24.680 question, guys are on

01:37:26.220 the panel.

01:37:26.580 We're like, no, he

01:37:27.340 shouldn't go away free.

01:37:28.480 Well, why?

01:37:29.220 Because although she may

01:37:30.500 forgive them, that

01:37:31.200 doesn't mean that he gets

01:37:32.180 to avoid justice.

01:37:34.740 So you can, there still

01:37:37.700 is justice that needs to

01:37:38.700 be served.

01:37:40.440 Well, another aspect of

01:37:41.900 this is that she's not

01:37:42.880 the only victim here.

01:37:43.860 The entire country is

01:37:45.120 also a victim.

01:37:47.640 In the Count of

01:37:50.860 Monte Cristo, he, the

01:37:53.380 guy, the count, his

01:37:56.400 girlfriend, or his, you

01:37:58.580 know, his wife, whatever,

01:38:00.000 finally recognizes him.

01:38:01.700 And he still wants to go

01:38:02.760 after the guy that, like,

01:38:04.760 threw him in prison and

01:38:06.720 stole his girl.

01:38:07.920 And the scene before he

01:38:08.880 goes after him, she's

01:38:10.000 like, oh, you don't have

01:38:10.920 to do this.

01:38:12.000 And he said one of the

01:38:13.400 coldest lines in movie

01:38:14.640 history.

01:38:14.940 He said, if you ever

01:38:16.200 love me, don't rob me of

01:38:20.000 my hate.

01:38:20.680 It's all I have.

01:38:22.140 And then he goes off to

01:38:23.800 go fight the guy.

01:38:25.460 I'm of that camp.

01:38:26.860 Don't rob someone of

01:38:28.040 their hate when it comes

01:38:30.040 to being aggrieved.

01:38:33.560 They must be wiped out.

01:38:35.260 They must be wiped out,

01:38:36.640 without a doubt.

01:38:37.420 That's the masculine

01:38:38.180 imperative.

01:38:39.320 They must be destroyed.

01:38:40.760 You can give them an

01:38:42.160 heart.

01:38:42.480 I agree with that.

01:38:45.640 OK, well, thank you

01:38:46.920 guys all.

01:38:47.460 This is a really cool

01:38:48.200 conversation.

01:38:49.220 And I did it.

01:38:50.040 I have something for you.

01:38:50.980 Oh, my God.

01:38:51.500 OK, I've got 30 seconds.

01:38:54.160 30 seconds.

01:38:54.840 Yeah, you're going to go

01:38:55.520 on to the next call.

01:38:57.460 Yeah, you remember

01:38:58.380 Austin Metcalf and the

01:39:00.060 black kid stabbed him or

01:39:01.140 something at the football

01:39:01.920 game.

01:39:03.000 Yeah.

01:39:03.660 So his his father did

01:39:06.060 this whole forgiveness

01:39:06.900 and I looked it up.

01:39:07.800 This is the quote.

01:39:08.600 This is what the father

01:39:09.860 of the dead son said.

01:39:11.700 People ask me, how can

01:39:13.960 you forgive this other

01:39:15.040 person?

01:39:15.880 I said, I forgive the

01:39:17.340 other person because the

01:39:18.420 forgiveness is not for

01:39:19.580 him.

01:39:20.420 The forgiveness is for me

01:39:22.020 so I can have peace.

01:39:23.920 His life is destroyed.

01:39:25.340 My life is destroyed.

01:39:27.280 That's the quote.

01:39:29.320 I feel that.

01:39:30.500 I feel that.

01:39:31.420 I agree.

01:39:31.820 So he kind of did the

01:39:32.640 same thing.

01:39:35.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.520 I think that's real.

01:39:36.780 I don't.

01:39:37.600 If somebody killed my

01:39:38.980 Chad son, I would kill.

01:39:41.420 I would.

01:39:41.880 I would want the death

01:39:42.760 penalty.

01:39:44.860 But you can have both.

01:39:46.300 Pearl, you can have

01:39:46.980 both.

01:39:47.360 You can want the death

01:39:48.260 penalty.

01:39:48.540 I don't.

01:39:49.180 I don't think.

01:39:49.860 No, I don't think so,

01:39:51.180 because I think I would

01:39:52.140 have to have some hatred

01:39:53.160 in my heart to want to

01:39:54.300 see somebody electrocuted

01:39:55.560 to death.

01:39:57.100 Actually, I would say

01:39:57.960 that's actually more

01:39:59.200 merciful than having

01:40:00.400 them serve a lifetime

01:40:01.240 in prison.

01:40:01.700 Yeah, no, I think.

01:40:04.160 I disagree.

01:40:05.440 Prison isn't so bad.

01:40:06.700 My cousin used to go

01:40:07.540 to prison.

01:40:08.180 He kind of liked it in

01:40:08.940 there.

01:40:13.640 No, I'm dead.

01:40:15.540 I'm like, I don't think

01:40:16.740 it's as bad as they

01:40:17.820 really make it out to be.

01:40:19.120 I mean, these women are

01:40:19.940 voting for this stuff.

01:40:21.060 I mean, the amount of

01:40:21.840 money they spend on

01:40:22.680 prisoners, it can't be

01:40:23.740 that bad.

01:40:25.800 It depends which prison.

01:40:27.320 That's true.

01:40:28.000 That's true.

01:40:28.860 But yeah, he.

01:40:29.560 Pearl, I talked to a guy

01:40:30.800 who was in prison and

01:40:31.920 he went to a private

01:40:32.800 prison and they let him

01:40:34.200 have Xbox in there.

01:40:35.820 Yeah, that's what I

01:40:36.560 mean.

01:40:37.000 I mean, my cousin got

01:40:38.520 drugs in prison.

01:40:40.280 Yeah, I mean, he

01:40:40.880 couldn't.

01:40:41.480 He did get cleaner

01:40:42.440 during when he went to

01:40:43.780 jail because he couldn't

01:40:44.820 afford the drugs.

01:40:45.880 But yeah, he's dead

01:40:47.780 now.

01:40:48.600 Anyways, thanks for

01:40:49.580 calling.

01:40:49.680 They're more expensive,

01:40:51.080 but they have everything

01:40:52.400 in there and you can

01:40:53.100 just buy cell phones

01:40:54.100 from the guard.

01:40:54.960 Yeah, I know.

01:40:55.720 I know.

01:40:56.080 So thanks for calling

01:40:57.080 in, guys.

01:40:57.960 We're going to move on

01:40:58.620 to the next caller.

01:40:59.480 Bye.

01:41:00.800 All right.

01:41:02.740 Doug MPA.

01:41:04.560 I think that's what

01:41:06.440 like, it's just

01:41:08.960 whenever you talk to

01:41:09.980 religion, and no

01:41:10.760 offense to anyone

01:41:11.320 coming on, you guys

01:41:12.040 are all very great,

01:41:12.760 respectful, smart men,

01:41:13.960 and I appreciate the

01:41:14.680 contribution.

01:41:15.960 But the challenge I get

01:41:17.540 with Christianity at

01:41:18.560 times is everyone just

01:41:19.720 thinks they're right,

01:41:21.000 and it just seems like

01:41:22.180 people can make the

01:41:23.120 Bible say anything.

01:41:24.940 And unless you just

01:41:25.640 have a ton of free time

01:41:27.020 to like, like, and I

01:41:28.740 think this is where you

01:41:29.460 lose the men that are

01:41:30.380 like, working a lot.

01:41:33.920 Because I just think

01:41:35.160 of like, again, I

01:41:36.140 always say my father

01:41:37.100 is the most moral man

01:41:38.460 I've ever met in my

01:41:39.260 life.

01:41:39.980 And I do think he'd

01:41:41.060 identify as Catholic,

01:41:42.220 but he's not that

01:41:42.700 religious.

01:41:43.580 Do you think he has

01:41:44.100 the time to go think

01:41:45.580 through every, like,

01:41:46.680 to read the Bible,

01:41:47.740 like, cover to cover,

01:41:49.280 and think through every,

01:41:50.780 like, theological thought?

01:41:52.980 No.

01:41:53.240 He was raising 10 kids

01:41:55.460 to, like, he had, like,

01:41:57.740 this giant company.

01:41:58.860 He doesn't have time to

01:41:59.820 do all that.

01:42:01.220 And it just didn't make

01:42:02.020 sense to me, like,

01:42:03.480 because some of the

01:42:04.300 religious people, it

01:42:06.280 would be like, oh, if

01:42:07.880 he didn't, so let's say

01:42:08.980 my dad, he did get

01:42:09.960 baptized, but let's say

01:42:10.960 he did it.

01:42:11.860 And his actions from

01:42:13.000 birth to death were

01:42:14.300 moral, like, just a

01:42:15.820 moral person.

01:42:16.860 He doesn't need the

01:42:17.520 Bible to tell him.

01:42:18.740 He's just that way.

01:42:19.700 But he didn't have the

01:42:21.040 time that, like,

01:42:24.200 unemployed people have

01:42:25.660 or, you know, people

01:42:26.380 like me, right?

01:42:28.420 I have the time to

01:42:29.620 debate this stuff.

01:42:31.540 But, like, that doesn't

01:42:32.700 make sense to me.

01:42:34.100 But then people get

01:42:35.040 really emotional when I

01:42:36.280 say this.

01:42:37.520 Like, that just doesn't

01:42:38.240 make sense.

01:42:39.400 But then they'll say,

01:42:40.780 well, my authority

01:42:42.860 figure said this or the

01:42:44.340 book says this, but

01:42:45.340 then they'll all put it

01:42:46.220 in a different way and

01:42:47.040 then I just get, I

01:42:47.960 just, you lose me.

01:42:49.700 Yeah.

01:42:50.600 Yeah.

01:42:51.440 It's just, it's the

01:42:52.640 performative nature.

01:42:53.780 And then honestly.

01:42:54.400 Oh, the performative.

01:42:55.600 Yeah.

01:42:55.920 Oh, my gosh.

01:42:56.520 That's what my dad said.

01:42:57.780 I asked him why he

01:42:58.420 wasn't religious.

01:42:59.160 Because, again, he's

01:43:00.520 the most moral person

01:43:01.560 I've met in my life.

01:43:02.600 And I'm like, Dad, how

01:43:03.480 are you not religious?

01:43:04.700 Like, you act better

01:43:05.560 than most religious

01:43:06.300 people.

01:43:07.020 And you do.

01:43:08.460 And he said to me, I

01:43:10.300 was sick of gay men

01:43:11.360 lecturing me on how to

01:43:12.440 talk.

01:43:13.780 Yeah.

01:43:15.640 Here's the thing.

01:43:16.820 Do you think a guy

01:43:17.580 like your father, you

01:43:18.840 know, let's say,

01:43:19.700 something would have

01:43:20.440 happened to a member

01:43:21.360 of his family?

01:43:23.040 Like, I just don't

01:43:24.800 think that a

01:43:25.420 motivated, ambitious

01:43:27.080 man would let

01:43:28.340 hating someone

01:43:29.480 that agreed to him

01:43:31.280 affect his life in a

01:43:32.500 negative way.

01:43:33.440 I just don't see it.

01:43:34.760 I just don't.

01:43:35.420 No.

01:43:35.980 I mean, the thing is, if

01:43:36.860 that happened to my

01:43:37.600 dad, he wouldn't.

01:43:38.800 He's just not an angry

01:43:39.780 person.

01:43:40.740 Like, so I don't know.

01:43:42.020 There's just people that

01:43:43.000 aren't really wired that

01:43:44.120 way.

01:43:44.280 They're not emotional.

01:43:45.680 So he just wouldn't.

01:43:46.900 He just doesn't really

01:43:47.880 have, like, anger in

01:43:50.500 him.

01:43:50.840 That's the best way I

01:43:51.540 could describe it.

01:43:51.780 Well, that's the thing

01:43:52.220 about it, though.

01:43:53.840 You're automatically

01:43:54.580 associating not forgiving

01:43:56.480 someone or hating someone

01:43:57.640 because there's something

01:43:58.780 wrong with anger.

01:44:00.580 See, I don't.

01:44:02.000 But, you know, I told

01:44:02.840 you, I'm Mr.

01:44:04.080 Hold the Grudge.

01:44:04.900 There are people I hold

01:44:05.980 the grudge against for the

01:44:06.800 rest of my life.

01:44:07.340 I'm not going to forgive

01:44:08.880 him.

01:44:09.060 But you just get to the

01:44:09.660 point where you just don't

01:44:10.280 even think about him

01:44:11.220 anymore.

01:44:11.560 No, but I don't think

01:44:13.160 that it's a bad thing.

01:44:14.320 I'm saying there's some

01:44:15.160 people that aren't wired

01:44:16.160 like that.

01:44:17.280 Yeah.

01:44:17.620 Like, they just aren't

01:44:18.480 that way.

01:44:19.780 I would hold all.

01:44:21.560 Yeah, I would hold the

01:44:22.520 grudge.

01:44:22.920 I'm a woman.

01:44:23.620 I would hold the grudge,

01:44:26.560 but.

01:44:27.120 Yeah.

01:44:27.840 We should have a

01:44:28.360 competition.

01:44:29.040 Maybe one day we'll end

01:44:30.340 up hating the same person

01:44:31.840 early and we'll see who

01:44:34.040 can hold the grudge the

01:44:35.300 longest.

01:44:39.060 Yeah, I mean.

01:44:40.460 But I'll let it go if I

01:44:43.140 get a genuine apology,

01:44:44.420 actually.

01:44:45.020 If I get a genuine

01:44:45.860 repentance and like I am

01:44:47.500 sorry, like if I think I

01:44:49.380 have a genuine apology,

01:44:50.620 I'll let it go.

01:44:52.100 Because the thing about it

01:44:53.560 is, is you've been done

01:44:55.660 wrong.

01:44:56.780 That's what people don't

01:44:57.640 understand.

01:44:58.200 They say, oh, it's your

01:44:59.260 responsibility when the

01:45:00.720 person did you wrong.

01:45:03.140 You should be able to sit

01:45:04.400 there and not forgive this

01:45:06.240 person.

01:45:07.280 Now, I can see if

01:45:08.860 if the person made a

01:45:12.220 like, let's say the guy

01:45:13.840 that took out Charlie

01:45:14.560 Kirk went to his wife and

01:45:15.780 said, I apologize.

01:45:16.740 I'm sorry.

01:45:18.180 Then she can forget.

01:45:19.740 But like he's made no

01:45:21.340 effort, anything like that.

01:45:22.420 And I would say, what do

01:45:23.700 you think about

01:45:24.420 probably people that are

01:45:26.680 offered an apology and

01:45:27.740 they still don't like a

01:45:28.980 heartfelt apology and they

01:45:30.120 still don't forget the

01:45:31.220 person?

01:45:32.420 I think it's their right

01:45:33.800 to.

01:45:34.220 I personally would with

01:45:36.960 if I got a heart.

01:45:39.020 The problem is there's

01:45:40.200 been times where I haven't

01:45:41.520 forgiven somebody after

01:45:42.940 they apologized.

01:45:43.620 And it's because I did

01:45:45.080 not.

01:45:45.940 I think hindsight being

01:45:47.640 2020, I did not believe

01:45:49.280 that they were sorry or

01:45:50.760 really had a penance in

01:45:52.880 any way.

01:45:53.480 I think if I thought that

01:45:54.980 they did, you know, I

01:45:56.440 mean, because sometimes

01:45:57.080 it's like you got to do

01:45:58.060 something to prove you're

01:45:59.740 sorry.

01:46:00.120 You know, it's not just

01:46:02.120 oh, now you've been a

01:46:03.840 bitch to me for three

01:46:05.040 years and now you're

01:46:06.300 going to be nice to me

01:46:07.260 for five minutes and I'm

01:46:08.800 going to forget it.

01:46:10.260 Yeah.

01:46:10.560 Yeah.

01:46:10.920 OK.

01:46:11.460 Yeah.

01:46:12.760 I agree.

01:46:14.100 OK, so we're going to go

01:46:15.340 back to sorry, this got a

01:46:16.700 little off the rails, but

01:46:18.540 I.

01:46:20.080 All right.

01:46:20.480 We're going to do Jackson.

01:46:25.940 Hey, Jackson, welcome to

01:46:27.580 the show.

01:46:28.080 So what are you working?

01:46:31.060 It is.

01:46:31.640 What do you think of the

01:46:32.380 topic?

01:46:32.860 Should Christians forgive

01:46:34.580 pure evil?

01:46:37.140 Well, my short answer is

01:46:38.940 yes.

01:46:41.360 Basically, one point I

01:46:42.960 wanted to make, I've been

01:46:44.080 listening to this show, is

01:46:45.740 that the word forgive is

01:46:48.300 one of those words that has

01:46:49.600 different meanings to

01:46:50.700 different people.

01:46:51.900 I would even argue the

01:46:53.480 Bible itself uses the word

01:46:55.560 slightly differently

01:46:56.580 depending on the context.

01:46:58.840 And I think that was why

01:46:59.680 there was some of the

01:47:00.360 conflict with various

01:47:01.920 verses before

01:47:05.080 in that discussion.

01:47:05.900 I won't rehash that

01:47:07.260 whole thing.

01:47:08.680 But, you know, I

01:47:09.220 remember,

01:47:10.220 I guess for us,

01:47:12.380 before I go into that

01:47:13.160 story, I'll go into what

01:47:14.140 I think, what I mean by

01:47:15.540 forgive.

01:47:16.680 What I mean by forgive is

01:47:18.660 that you do not wish ill

01:47:20.500 upon the person.

01:47:21.780 I would say wishing the

01:47:23.900 person does not receive a

01:47:25.620 consequence.

01:47:27.260 Or, sorry.

01:47:28.860 But, like, if I wish

01:47:30.460 somebody gets electrocuted

01:47:32.060 to death because they

01:47:33.280 killed somebody.

01:47:33.820 Well, here's what I would

01:47:34.920 say.

01:47:35.380 Isn't that kind of ill?

01:47:37.120 You know what I mean?

01:47:38.240 You could look at it that

01:47:40.120 way, but I also think that

01:47:42.820 having a consequence does

01:47:44.800 someone good, too, depending

01:47:47.180 on what the consequence is,

01:47:48.720 right?

01:47:49.020 Like, the reason you

01:47:50.480 discipline a child is for

01:47:53.080 their own good, right?

01:47:54.360 If you, it's not pleasant

01:47:56.100 for the child, but if you

01:47:57.460 discipline the child, it's

01:47:58.880 for their own good.

01:48:00.180 Now, when it comes to

01:48:01.140 something like life

01:48:02.340 termination of somebody,

01:48:04.400 that would be more for the

01:48:06.140 good of society, right?

01:48:08.180 To get rid of that evil

01:48:09.940 person.

01:48:11.080 So, therefore, I still think

01:48:13.160 that depending on your

01:48:15.300 specific motives, you could

01:48:17.640 still wish somebody gets

01:48:19.000 the death penalty without

01:48:20.400 it being holding a grudge

01:48:22.640 in an unchristian way.

01:48:24.300 I think it just matters

01:48:25.660 sort of where your heart

01:48:26.820 is.

01:48:27.340 I think that if it's to

01:48:29.560 gratify your flesh and see

01:48:31.780 the person suffer, that's

01:48:33.760 where I would say, personally

01:48:36.640 as a Christian, I think

01:48:37.980 that's wrong.

01:48:39.120 But if it's, you know, for

01:48:40.660 the safety of others and so

01:48:43.980 that justice is served, I

01:48:45.740 think that's completely

01:48:46.940 different.

01:48:47.400 I think that's going to be

01:48:48.960 true.

01:48:49.400 Cool.

01:48:50.100 Well, I appreciate the input.

01:48:52.220 Thanks for calling in.

01:48:53.980 No problem.

01:48:56.060 All right.

01:48:56.500 We're going to try to get

01:48:57.260 through these next ones.

01:48:58.860 I don't want to go.

01:48:59.880 All right.

01:49:00.060 Let's see.

01:49:00.560 We're going to have Nate

01:49:01.260 next.

01:49:05.780 Nate, thanks for calling in.

01:49:08.000 Should Christians forgive

01:49:09.480 pure evil?

01:49:11.060 Let me know what you think.

01:49:12.140 Hey, what's up, Pearl?

01:49:14.900 Can you hear me?

01:49:15.640 I can hear you.

01:49:16.520 Go ahead.

01:49:17.220 Yep.

01:49:17.480 Go ahead.

01:49:19.000 Cool.

01:49:19.520 So, Pearl, we have

01:49:20.260 something in common.

01:49:21.120 You said you went to

01:49:21.940 Catholic school, right?

01:49:23.620 Yep.

01:49:24.900 All right.

01:49:25.500 So I know we've both read

01:49:26.800 Dante.

01:49:27.780 We've both read Dante.

01:49:30.460 Is that right?

01:49:33.020 A long time ago.

01:49:34.440 I don't remember it at all.

01:49:35.620 So, okay.

01:49:36.740 Should Christians forgive

01:49:37.800 pure evil?

01:49:40.340 So, absolutely, they should.

01:49:43.620 And here's why.

01:49:45.400 So, in book two of Dante's

01:49:47.260 Inferno, Francisca de Ramini

01:49:49.580 was dedicated to being a nun

01:49:53.600 and then kidnapped and forced

01:49:55.180 to marry the evil Giancato

01:49:58.460 Maltesta.

01:49:59.860 And Francesca, in the situation

01:50:06.700 she was in, fell in love

01:50:08.300 with Paolo, Giancato's

01:50:10.300 brother, and they had a

01:50:12.440 steamy, hot, sex-fueled

01:50:15.760 affair.

01:50:17.460 And when Giancato found out,

01:50:19.560 he judged them.

01:50:21.420 He judged them with a violent

01:50:22.720 death, and they ended up in

01:50:24.040 the second circle of hell

01:50:25.260 together, but still in hell.

01:50:27.480 And so, as a former Catholic,

01:50:30.780 so I think this is a secular

01:50:32.020 Catholic opinion, you know,

01:50:35.300 there's always going to be a

01:50:37.120 religious nutjob who thinks

01:50:38.880 that a woman having an affair

01:50:40.400 or somebody stopping, you

01:50:42.820 know, slamming on their brakes

01:50:43.800 in front of them is a form

01:50:46.680 of pure evil.

01:50:48.200 And for me, I'm...

01:50:49.740 Oh, that was the worst one.

01:50:51.740 Oh, I hated that one.

01:50:54.220 Sorry, I'm just, I'm agreeing

01:50:55.700 with you.

01:50:56.160 When they say, oh, all sin is

01:50:58.080 the same.

01:50:58.880 I'm like, bitch!

01:51:01.700 Go on, go on.

01:51:02.700 Yeah, yeah, and so

01:51:04.140 Francesca's, Francesca and

01:51:05.820 Paolo's punishment was

01:51:06.960 actually this, they were being

01:51:09.000 swirled around in the wind

01:51:10.560 forever.

01:51:11.460 And so, while they were

01:51:13.220 together in life, which is,

01:51:15.800 in my opinion, it's pretty

01:51:16.960 sick, you know, probably a lot

01:51:18.920 of room to play in there.

01:51:19.880 Um, you know, uh, in, in

01:51:22.800 hell, uh, they were together

01:51:24.580 but could never be that close

01:51:25.780 to one another.

01:51:28.540 Wow.

01:51:29.380 Cool.

01:51:30.180 Well, uh, did you...

01:51:31.140 But yeah, but yeah, that,

01:51:32.540 yeah, and so that, to me, it's

01:51:34.260 actually a really important

01:51:35.180 opinion to get all the way out

01:51:37.140 too, right?

01:51:37.720 So, um, you know, I don't just

01:51:39.940 think that, like, it should be

01:51:42.560 obvious that people having an

01:51:44.120 affair isn't a form of pure

01:51:45.760 evil.

01:51:46.120 You can't kill someone for

01:51:47.780 this, um, and you should be,

01:51:50.540 if you want to consider

01:51:51.320 forgiveness, that's great,

01:51:53.000 but you shouldn't be talking

01:51:54.460 about pure evil.

01:51:55.440 I also think that, uh, people

01:51:57.520 that commit horrific crimes,

01:51:58.820 um, should be, you know, we

01:52:01.000 should always be a little

01:52:01.700 skeptical of the judge, jury,

01:52:03.840 and executioner, um, you

01:52:06.240 know, while still having, uh,

01:52:07.760 faith in, in something.

01:52:10.220 Um, but yeah, that was my,

01:52:12.120 that was my, my sort of main

01:52:13.440 thing is that, you know, I, I

01:52:15.280 don't, I don't want crazy

01:52:16.100 people telling me what sin is.

01:52:18.060 Okay, cool.

01:52:19.020 Thanks for calling in, calling

01:52:20.080 anytime, all right?

01:52:22.000 Are we going to talk about

01:52:23.060 Erica?

01:52:24.100 Oh.

01:52:26.040 My bad.

01:52:27.000 Well, I did that, did I

01:52:29.420 remove myself too?

01:52:30.700 Oh no.

01:52:31.760 I'm still on, right?

01:52:35.960 Uh, that was, I didn't mean

01:52:37.620 to do that, but, okay.

01:52:40.360 All right, well, we move on.

01:52:43.240 All right, I'm trying to get

01:52:44.460 through these because I'm

01:52:46.020 trying to do a two-hour show

01:52:47.200 today.

01:52:48.180 Samuel, welcome to the show.

01:52:52.840 Uh, do, should Christians

01:52:54.000 forgive pure evil?

01:52:56.780 Hey, hey, is my, my audio

01:52:58.240 good?

01:52:58.880 I can hear you.

01:52:59.980 Um, try.

01:53:00.840 Okay, perfect.

01:53:01.480 I'm trying to get through a

01:53:02.420 few callers, so just try to

01:53:03.700 keep it concise.

01:53:04.480 Okay, go ahead.

01:53:05.760 Yeah, yeah, I will.

01:53:06.660 Uh, thank you very much for

01:53:07.600 giving me this chance.

01:53:08.300 So, um, my answer to that is

01:53:10.980 yes, um, I agree with what I

01:53:13.620 think Jackson was saying or

01:53:15.380 Malcolm, I don't remember.

01:53:16.680 So, we are called to forgive.

01:53:19.520 That's a commandment for us

01:53:20.820 Christians, just to reflect the

01:53:22.180 character of God who forgave us

01:53:24.160 all.

01:53:24.580 Now, something that we need to

01:53:26.660 understand is that one

01:53:27.720 individual goes and breaks the

01:53:29.580 law to the extent that Tyler

01:53:31.320 did, you're going to face

01:53:34.140 consequences.

01:53:34.860 And it's not up to Erica to

01:53:37.140 pursue charges.

01:53:37.940 It's not up to any relative,

01:53:40.020 any living relative of Charlie

01:53:41.440 to pursue any type of charge.

01:53:43.380 Now, it's up to the

01:53:44.600 prosecution, which is

01:53:45.940 representing the state, which

01:53:47.420 is what the state is for, is

01:53:49.180 to guarantee that our rights

01:53:50.800 are there.

01:53:52.020 And that involves pursuing

01:53:53.580 criminal charges against

01:53:54.760 Tyler.

01:53:55.220 So, Erica's got nothing to do

01:53:57.720 with that.

01:53:58.520 Uh, that's just an actual

01:54:00.180 fact.

01:54:00.820 And yes, we need to forgive

01:54:02.400 no matter what.

01:54:03.620 It's not easy.

01:54:04.300 And forgiveness without the

01:54:06.640 person repenting for us or to

01:54:08.720 us, it's for us.

01:54:11.320 We forgive, so we hold no

01:54:13.040 grudge, we hold no hatred, and

01:54:14.760 we get peace for ourselves.

01:54:16.920 Now, there's another type of

01:54:18.720 forgiveness, which is a gift

01:54:20.760 that comes from the mercy of

01:54:22.520 God, which is to essentially,

01:54:24.920 um, wash all of our sins.

01:54:27.660 That's what God's forgiveness

01:54:29.820 gives.

01:54:30.260 That's not up to me.

01:54:31.280 I cannot forgive or wash any

01:54:33.180 sin, but God does.

01:54:35.420 So, if I were to smack you on

01:54:37.520 the face, or, or the other

01:54:39.020 way, if you were to smack me on

01:54:40.680 the face, you would be sinning

01:54:43.000 against me.

01:54:43.960 I need, I am commanded to

01:54:46.040 forgive you, no matter what.

01:54:48.840 There's no option for me, really,

01:54:50.340 if I am a true Christian.

01:54:51.280 He's not in it.

01:54:52.660 Um, okay, thank you for calling

01:54:53.980 in.

01:54:54.300 Call in any time, okay?

01:54:56.300 Sure.

01:54:58.160 I don't see him in the waiting

01:54:59.480 room, but it's okay.

01:55:00.820 We're almost done anyway.

01:55:01.940 I'll do one more.

01:55:04.740 Um, I'll do James.

01:55:06.800 It's my last one tonight.

01:55:12.160 All right, James.

01:55:13.560 Um, I don't, I don't see him

01:55:18.760 as a choice.

01:55:19.960 Um, no, I don't hear anything.

01:55:28.740 James, five, four, three, two.

01:55:32.620 All right, guys.

01:55:33.280 You got to get the, you got to

01:55:34.340 get the zoom to work.

01:55:36.180 Um, I'm going to do, I think this

01:55:39.620 guy.

01:55:40.080 I feel like I've, oh, now Doug

01:55:41.580 confused back.

01:55:43.020 All right, Paulo, your last

01:55:44.420 caller of the night.

01:55:45.560 Um, so should Christians

01:55:48.560 forgive pure evil?

01:55:50.420 What are your thoughts?

01:55:52.860 Yes, I think Christians should

01:55:54.760 forgive pure evil.

01:55:56.940 However, uh, as I was watching

01:55:58.900 the show, I saw that some

01:56:00.840 people talked about forgiving

01:56:02.260 or forgetting, repenting or

01:56:05.480 accepting and all that.

01:56:07.400 And I think a lot of it comes

01:56:09.780 down to semantics.

01:56:11.580 Do you recall, uh, that guy,

01:56:14.460 Jesse Lee Peterson?

01:56:15.800 You've been to his show like

01:56:16.960 forever ago.

01:56:17.880 Do you recall that?

01:56:18.980 I love Jesse.

01:56:20.100 That's my guy.

01:56:21.100 He's awesome.

01:56:21.920 Go ahead.

01:56:22.960 There you go.

01:56:23.940 So he has a measuring stick

01:56:26.360 for that.

01:56:27.540 For example, he says, you got

01:56:29.100 to forgive your mom.

01:56:30.520 Why?

01:56:31.440 Because you're angry.

01:56:32.940 So he believes that you are

01:56:35.360 angry because you did not

01:56:36.820 forgive your mother.

01:56:37.860 So that's kind of a method

01:56:39.860 that he's got.

01:56:40.920 So let's say that if you're

01:56:42.540 angry and you're emotional

01:56:44.240 and you are depressed for

01:56:46.620 six months, some years, you

01:56:49.900 might as well forgive.

01:56:52.120 You might as well look for

01:56:53.640 therapy.

01:56:54.320 You might as well do something

01:56:56.000 about it.

01:56:56.740 Does it make sense?

01:56:59.080 Doug MPA, what do you think

01:57:00.300 of that?

01:57:00.700 Like, do you think if you

01:57:05.220 don't forgive, the anger

01:57:06.300 really harms you?

01:57:07.680 Because then you're harboring

01:57:08.760 onto the resentment.

01:57:10.080 Well, so.

01:57:10.880 Or something else like

01:57:11.900 depression.

01:57:12.520 Well, well, well, okay.

01:57:14.680 You're talking about pure evil.

01:57:16.640 Now, you're talking about

01:57:18.420 maybe simple grievances and

01:57:19.840 stuff like that.

01:57:20.440 But I think that there are

01:57:22.940 scenarios where pure evil

01:57:24.340 should not be forgiven.

01:57:25.520 If someone comes into your

01:57:26.660 house and takes out.

01:57:28.540 Okay.

01:57:29.120 Okay.

01:57:29.360 How about this?

01:57:30.340 A drunk driver is driving

01:57:33.280 drunk and takes out two, two

01:57:35.480 of your family members.

01:57:36.320 You don't have to forgive

01:57:37.040 them at all, ever.

01:57:38.180 Now, you know, you know, if

01:57:39.580 you had a bad relationship

01:57:40.600 with your mother and she

01:57:43.140 chooses to try to change

01:57:44.280 that relationship, you can

01:57:46.900 forgive that.

01:57:47.760 But there are just, there

01:57:49.280 are levels to this.

01:57:50.400 Understand that there are

01:57:51.380 people that are completely

01:57:52.280 irresponsible, that cause

01:57:53.380 consequences that harm other

01:57:55.460 people.

01:57:56.240 They shouldn't be forgiven.

01:57:57.540 No.

01:57:57.780 Yeah, good point.

01:57:59.540 And I have no problem with

01:58:00.520 that.

01:58:01.100 You know, one, and I agree

01:58:02.340 with you guys on that.

01:58:03.660 My point is, it seems that a

01:58:06.200 lot of this Christian faith,

01:58:08.980 that I consider myself a

01:58:10.000 Christian, but it's like,

01:58:11.420 yeah, do nothing about it.

01:58:13.300 Just relax, accept, and do

01:58:16.100 nothing about it.

01:58:17.160 And I don't believe that to be

01:58:18.760 human.

01:58:19.660 I don't think that's a human

01:58:21.280 condition.

01:58:22.980 Yeah, I don't know.

01:58:23.980 Sometimes anger is like

01:58:25.200 useful.

01:58:26.280 Like, you know, it's like

01:58:27.500 after a divorce, you're

01:58:29.020 going to be on the treadmill

01:58:29.880 running.

01:58:31.340 You're going to make a

01:58:32.280 million dollars this year

01:58:34.140 because you're pissed.

01:58:36.300 Fuck that bitch.

01:58:37.160 You know?

01:58:38.100 Yeah.

01:58:39.660 Yeah.

01:58:40.200 So it seems that what really

01:58:41.460 matters is what you do about

01:58:43.220 it.

01:58:43.420 Yeah.

01:58:43.600 Instead of, so you might call

01:58:45.600 it forgiveness, acceptance,

01:58:46.840 or something like that.

01:58:47.940 And just to comment briefly

01:58:49.760 on Erica, because I was

01:58:52.280 watching the very beginning

01:58:53.300 of your show, because I

01:58:54.240 wanted to hear your comments

01:58:55.680 on it.

01:58:56.180 Okay.

01:58:58.040 It, I know it's tragic and

01:59:00.980 terrible and all that, but

01:59:02.220 I'm just an idiot with an

01:59:03.500 opinion.

01:59:04.040 It seems performative.

01:59:06.220 It looks like she does not

01:59:09.780 look like, I was looking

01:59:12.040 through like what she did,

01:59:14.160 not what she felt we were

01:59:15.400 talking about, like

01:59:16.500 forgiveness.

01:59:17.140 What she did 48 hours after

01:59:20.740 her husband passed away.

01:59:23.220 And it was a bunch of events,

01:59:25.440 taking pictures, Instagram

01:59:26.640 posts, a powerful speech

01:59:28.980 events, taking the role of

01:59:31.460 this as a CEO.

01:59:33.460 My God, when I lost a loved

01:59:36.000 one, people are different.

01:59:37.480 I understand that.

01:59:38.300 But when I lost a loved one

01:59:40.500 within 24 hours, I didn't feel

01:59:43.800 like taking a bunch of roles,

01:59:45.420 going to a bunch of events and

01:59:46.940 doing a bunch of powerful

01:59:48.500 speeches.

01:59:51.280 Do you think you would feel

01:59:52.480 like that, Pearl, if I loved

01:59:53.580 the one passed away?

01:59:54.660 No, I wouldn't.

01:59:55.700 And that's, I think that's why

01:59:56.740 it's weird.

01:59:57.400 Her actions don't seem like

01:59:59.400 someone who's mourning.

02:00:01.580 They don't seem, they don't

02:00:02.920 seem like it.

02:00:05.020 Maybe people mourn in different

02:00:06.580 ways.

02:00:06.960 I don't know.

02:00:07.460 I don't know her personally, but

02:00:09.180 it also came off as

02:00:10.420 performative to me.

02:00:13.560 Like, I was looking at her

02:00:15.100 eyes.

02:00:15.380 I didn't see any tears come

02:00:16.640 out.

02:00:17.760 Like, I swear to God, when I,

02:00:19.340 when she did the, like the

02:00:21.140 crying, I zoomed in the first

02:00:22.580 time I saw it to see if I saw

02:00:23.920 any tears.

02:00:24.520 I didn't see any.

02:00:25.280 Right.

02:00:28.840 Yeah.

02:00:29.060 I cannot think of anything more

02:00:31.120 foreign to a grieving window

02:00:33.620 widow than to be taken on a

02:00:36.200 stage, talking to thousands of

02:00:38.140 people live.

02:00:39.400 It doesn't sound very not normal.

02:00:43.240 It is not normal.

02:00:44.700 Yeah.

02:00:46.020 You would think her team and

02:00:47.760 even like counselors and

02:00:50.240 psychology experts would tell her

02:00:52.440 to take a little time because now

02:00:54.320 is a time where she could say

02:00:55.440 something that, you know, that

02:00:58.100 she might not want to say if

02:01:01.080 she doesn't realize it until

02:01:02.140 later.

02:01:03.140 I mean, she's reading off of a

02:01:04.660 script.

02:01:05.260 Don't get me wrong, but still,

02:01:07.380 you know, you don't want to get

02:01:08.700 in front of a camera when you're

02:01:10.400 experiencing this kind of trauma

02:01:11.920 though.

02:01:12.820 And not only get in front of a

02:01:14.120 camera, like a call to action,

02:01:16.760 you know, like get on a website,

02:01:18.500 sign up, do this, be a part of

02:01:20.360 this.

02:01:20.800 You can do it.

02:01:21.960 It's like, oh my God, really?

02:01:23.400 Yeah.

02:01:23.800 You're a griffin widow.

02:01:25.820 Yeah.

02:01:26.320 And the whole thing was barely

02:01:28.940 about him.

02:01:31.220 I mean, I listened to it through

02:01:33.180 and through.

02:01:33.740 It was very little about like who

02:01:36.240 he was as a person.

02:01:38.540 You know, it was just about, you

02:01:39.920 know, joy in Christianity.

02:01:41.340 Men be good husbands.

02:01:42.680 This is I made I made the home

02:01:44.980 amazing.

02:01:45.560 This is all the things that I did

02:01:46.860 for him or that I did that were

02:01:49.360 awesome.

02:01:49.900 You know, yeah, he wouldn't be

02:01:52.140 where he may have died.

02:01:54.360 He did great things.

02:01:55.320 But if it wasn't for me, none of

02:01:56.720 this would have ever happened.

02:02:01.580 Right.

02:02:02.240 So, yeah.

02:02:03.480 So, so you don't have to be so

02:02:05.520 sorry, Pearl.

02:02:06.760 I watch at the beginning of the

02:02:08.680 show say, oh, am I?

02:02:09.840 Well, I think communication is a

02:02:12.460 lot about what the other person

02:02:14.480 understands and it comes across

02:02:16.440 inauthentic.

02:02:17.960 It doesn't come across like, I

02:02:21.880 mean, I'm the consumer of her

02:02:23.700 content.

02:02:24.520 Right.

02:02:24.840 So for me, her communication does

02:02:28.340 not sound.

02:02:29.740 I mean, I don't think she should

02:02:31.120 have that kind of communication.

02:02:33.400 What do I know?

02:02:34.700 I'm not inside of her.

02:02:35.840 I don't know about her feelings,

02:02:37.240 but I'm just judging from the

02:02:38.660 outside as a content consumer.

02:02:40.960 Yeah.

02:02:41.740 Awesome.

02:02:43.020 That was, I think that was my

02:02:44.180 favorite call of the night.

02:02:45.300 So thanks for calling in.

02:02:46.560 Call in any time.

02:02:47.480 All right.

02:02:48.560 All right.

02:02:49.280 Thank you, Pearl.

02:02:50.240 You have a good evening.

02:02:52.220 All right.

02:02:54.460 Well, Doug MPA, you got any

02:02:55.980 final thoughts?

02:02:56.960 Forgive the sinner doesn't mean

02:02:58.160 we cannot take measures like

02:02:59.500 life in prison, protect the

02:03:00.760 innocent, the innocent, still

02:03:03.140 an option, but we all want to

02:03:04.440 be saved.

02:03:05.040 See, I mean, I don't know.

02:03:09.720 I think that's two different

02:03:10.780 things.

02:03:11.100 I think there's not having

02:03:12.280 anger and forgiveness.

02:03:14.000 To me, the forgiving, Manko

02:03:17.260 made the most sense with what

02:03:18.780 it means, but it seems like the

02:03:20.520 semantics everyone's arguing

02:03:21.820 about.

02:03:23.300 Doug MPA, you got any final

02:03:24.400 thoughts?

02:03:25.280 I know I hear I hear Ellie

02:03:27.200 barking.

02:03:27.880 Sorry.

02:03:28.180 Yeah, it's OK.

02:03:29.840 My final thoughts are, guys,

02:03:32.540 you don't have to.

02:03:34.740 I'll use my stance a little bit

02:03:36.140 on this call and say, if someone

02:03:37.400 makes a heartfelt apology, you

02:03:39.360 can forgive them.

02:03:40.400 If there's some kind of penance

02:03:41.540 or whatever.

02:03:41.980 I'm not religious, so I'm keeping

02:03:44.280 it as a general concept, but I

02:03:45.580 think people forgive way too

02:03:46.660 easily.

02:03:48.040 You don't have to forgive

02:03:48.980 anything.

02:03:49.620 You really don't.

02:03:50.820 You don't have to.

02:03:51.860 It doesn't have to be a negative

02:03:53.420 thing if you don't want it to be.

02:03:54.740 This whole, oh, the person

02:03:57.300 will consume you.

02:03:58.720 If thinking about the person

02:03:59.580 will, you can hate somebody

02:04:01.640 long enough to just forget all

02:04:02.880 about them.

02:04:03.480 Yeah.

02:04:03.920 That's what I do.

02:04:05.440 Yeah.

02:04:06.240 So once again, like I said

02:04:08.280 before, it's like this whole

02:04:09.060 automatically associating

02:04:10.240 men in anger with

02:04:12.340 physical violence.

02:04:14.120 That's not true.

02:04:14.820 Anger can be a great motivator.

02:04:16.920 And, you know, hating someone

02:04:18.860 for what they did to you can be

02:04:20.220 a great motivator.

02:04:21.640 Yeah.

02:04:21.940 That's why some of the, you

02:04:23.560 know, some of the greatest

02:04:25.480 people that have done the

02:04:26.940 greatest things were bullied

02:04:28.280 as a child.

02:04:30.200 You know?

02:04:32.180 So, yeah.

02:04:33.720 Don't forgive.

02:04:35.280 So easy, guys.

02:04:36.520 And hold grudges.

02:04:38.340 Yeah.

02:04:39.320 All right.

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JustPearlyThings - September 23, 2025

Should Christians Forgive Pure Evil？ (Call-In Show) ｜ Pearl Daily

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