JustPearlyThings - June 14, 2023


Tate's Thoughts On Christianity

Topics
extremism and vilification of Islam
Hosted by
Hannah Pearl Davis
Mentioned
Charlie Hebdo Andrew
This Is Why Modern Men Are Weak Pearl EXPOSES Her Toxic Trait In Her Last Relationship

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11 minutes

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2,502

Sentence count

240

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Misogyny

7

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Toxicity

14

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Hate speech

14

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In this episode, I sit down with my friend Andrew to talk about his experience as a Muslim-American living in the United States. We talk about what it means to be a Muslim in the 21st century, what it's like to grow up in a Christian country, and how to navigate our relationship with religion.

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00:00:00.200 Yeah, it's the most feared. But what is respect without fear?
00:00:04.120 Do we respect men we don't fear?
00:00:06.620 If there's a man who could do absolutely nothing to you on any level at all,
00:00:10.540 you might be nice to him, sure, because we're not bad people,
00:00:13.460 but would you really respect them? 0.99
00:00:15.620 If you could take his chick in front of his face and set his car on fire, 1.00
00:00:19.960 and he wouldn't do a thing. You wouldn't respect them. 0.99
00:00:21.140 You might be nice to him because we're not bullies, but you wouldn't respect them.
00:00:24.140 Respect and fear are linked.
00:00:25.600 They're not always the same thing, and you can maybe have fear without respect,
00:00:28.620 but it's very hard to have respect without fear.
00:00:30.900 But also, I heard someone say once that we see the world as we see ourselves.
00:00:35.060 If you're a thief, you think everyone's a thief. 0.97
00:00:36.780 If you're a liar, you think everyone's a liar. 0.97
00:00:38.660 And I kind of agree with that. I understood that.
00:00:41.480 I also like to think we see religion as we see ourselves.
00:00:44.180 I like to see myself as a person whose respect you have to earn.
00:00:46.780 I like to see myself as a person who has strong, rigid boundaries.
00:00:49.200 I like to see myself as a person who will stand up and say, no, that's wrong.
00:00:51.760 I like to see myself as a person who's not afraid of being shamed by whatever community
00:00:54.900 for saying, I don't agree with that particular ideal.
00:00:56.800 I like seeing myself that way.
00:00:59.100 So if I'm going to see myself that way, then I'm going to naturally align with a religion
00:01:01.660 that operates within that form.
00:01:04.060 So when I say Islam is the last religion on earth, I say it because it seems to be the 1.00
00:01:08.760 only one who will stand up and say, no, we don't care.
00:01:12.280 No, that's not what the book says.
00:01:14.580 No, I was raised Christian and Muslims as a whole, we have no problems with Christians.
00:01:19.720 None at all.
00:01:20.420 I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-Christian, like I dislike Christians.
00:01:23.080 We don't have a problem with Christians.
00:01:23.900 We believe in a lot of the same things.
00:01:25.940 We believe in Jesus.
00:01:26.800 We put more respect on the name of Jesus than most Christians do. 0.80
00:01:30.020 I just don't like the idea of people saying they're a Christian and saying, but because 0.97
00:01:33.320 I'm a Christian, I can do whatever I want and throw all the rules away and none of it matters
00:01:35.900 because once you have that level of tolerance, you no longer have a religion.
00:01:38.700 Islam seems to be the last religion left with parameters. 1.00
00:01:40.840 If you don't have parameters, you don't have a religion at all.
00:01:42.160 So the closer I found myself to God, the closer I found myself to Islam. 0.98
00:01:47.580 That's just how it ended.
00:01:49.020 And Andrew, speaking of fear, one could argue that Islam these days, certainly in the last 1.00
00:01:53.700 20 years with the war on terror, they've also been the most vilified.
00:01:56.760 Absolutely.
00:01:57.360 Right?
00:01:57.740 So, you know, everything that we've seen happen with extremism and everything that's going
00:02:03.520 on all over the world.
00:02:04.660 How are you grappling with that?
00:02:06.200 You've been a Christian for years now.
00:02:08.580 You know, Islam, everything.
00:02:10.180 And you know what?
00:02:10.700 You know what?
00:02:11.100 That's such an interesting question because when I was younger, especially when I was
00:02:14.380 an atheist, I would sit and I'd sit and think, people are really doing terror attacks and
00:02:20.480 doing all this crazy stuff because, you know, they're upset over a cartoon. 1.00
00:02:23.460 That's so stupid. 1.00
00:02:24.440 And nobody should kill anybody. 1.00
00:02:25.720 Nobody should kill anybody.
00:02:26.400 Charlie Hebdo, everything.
00:02:27.620 Nobody should kill anybody.
00:02:29.100 Nobody should kill anybody.
00:02:30.360 I'll make that very clear.
00:02:31.680 But also part of me is now saying, why would you want to insult the prophet for billions
00:02:38.400 of people?
00:02:38.840 Why would you want to do that?
00:02:40.840 I'm not saying you, I'm not even, I don't want to make the argument against free speech.
00:02:43.620 I'm not even saying you couldn't be allowed to.
00:02:44.740 This is a sensitive subject.
00:02:45.760 I'm just saying, what kind of person wakes up and thinks, I want to do that?
00:02:50.260 I don't know.
00:02:50.940 I just don't think that's a healthy mindset.
00:02:52.380 Like when I see these Satanists and they're, especially in America and they're doing,
00:02:55.880 let's keep it on Christianity. 1.00
00:02:57.320 These Satanists and they're dressing up Jesus is gay and all this stuff like that's not done 0.98
00:03:02.340 in any kind of good faith. 0.93
00:03:04.260 Yeah.
00:03:04.440 There's no good reason to do that.
00:03:06.360 That's done with genuinely malicious intention.
00:03:09.400 Yep.
00:03:10.020 And what kind of people want to do that?
00:03:11.960 And then the answer by extension is, I thought America was a Christian country. 0.89
00:03:16.100 So how can you have a Christian country where the prophets of the religion are mocked to
00:03:21.520 the highest possible levels within the confines of the country and it's promoted?
00:03:27.400 Is that a Christian country?
00:03:29.240 Doesn't seem a Christian country to me.
00:03:31.140 I don't think the same thing would happen with Islam in Saudi Arabia.
00:03:33.380 I can't imagine that.
00:03:34.400 No.
00:03:35.080 So how can you say we're a Christian country, but everyone's mocking our God on the streets?
00:03:40.800 Ha, ha, ha.
00:03:41.640 Do you think, I have a personal theory that the downfall of America, because it is absolutely
00:03:48.600 downfalling, is directly connected to America straying away from Christian values.
00:03:56.920 Yeah.
00:03:57.860 I agree with you.
00:03:59.000 Yeah.
00:03:59.180 I think that the more you make a country godless, the more they do godless things.
00:04:05.960 And it's like when you raise, like we're raising the next generation, you know what's crazy?
00:04:09.860 We're raising the next generation of kids to spend 30 minutes with their family a day.
00:04:14.580 So who's raising them?
00:04:15.580 The state.
00:04:16.600 Yeah.
00:04:16.780 You go to school, they spend eight hours in indoctrination machines.
00:04:20.860 Yeah.
00:04:21.300 You, then, you know, you might go home and then you might go to a practice, a music, whatever
00:04:27.700 your thing is, theater, whatever.
00:04:29.220 So now you're spending time with, again, people that are not your family.
00:04:32.520 So it's like the parents aren't even the number one influence on the kids anymore.
00:04:36.300 Yeah.
00:04:36.660 They're friends and whoever the hell's teaching them, which a lot of times is these single 1.00
00:04:40.040 childless women. 1.00
00:04:41.720 Like I've heard from so many men, they don't date teachers because they're nuts. 1.00
00:04:45.340 Yeah. 0.99
00:04:45.740 Oh yeah.
00:04:46.080 Well, I mean, for me, I get, I catch a lot of flack sometimes because I say when I marry
00:04:50.160 my wife that I don't want her to work. 1.00
00:04:53.640 I want her to be a state.
00:04:54.940 I want to be a full time mother and wife because who like, God knows who these people in the
00:05:02.880 daycare are.
00:05:03.520 You're just like, oh, what's this like sunshine daycare.
00:05:06.360 Okay.
00:05:06.600 Like, you're going to take care of my kids.
00:05:08.320 Sure.
00:05:08.760 Have you seen like that one daycare when they like gave the kids like Hulk hands and they 0.77
00:05:13.800 had like a, like a fight club going on in the daycare.
00:05:16.600 You have no idea what's going on with these people, let alone these teachers teaching
00:05:21.120 your students or teaching your kids, you know?
00:05:23.600 Well, I can't even think of, it's like weird when you get older and you think back to conversations
00:05:28.240 adult adults had with you as a kid.
00:05:30.380 And you're like, why were they talking to me about that?
00:05:33.780 What do you mean?
00:05:34.140 What's the example?
00:05:34.680 Um, like I had one teacher that showed, uh, CNN kids and this was at a Catholic school.
00:05:42.100 Why is she, I had another teacher tell her, this is kind of a random thing, but it's like
00:05:46.360 an indoctrination, but I remember it.
00:05:48.180 It was like, she said that business, like that she sees the price difference.
00:05:52.400 It was like an economics teacher or something.
00:05:54.620 She sees the price difference between the, the Walmart and the rich neighborhoods and the
00:05:59.240 Walmart and the poor neighborhoods.
00:06:00.660 And she thinks it's so mean that the business owners charge the poor neighborhoods more.
00:06:06.000 Oh, I thought it would be the opposite.
00:06:07.480 No, because people steal in the poor neighborhoods.
00:06:09.700 So it raises the price.
00:06:10.980 That's why.
00:06:11.720 Yeah.
00:06:12.440 That's because I looked into it later, but the point is she's putting her moral, like
00:06:16.240 her, her obvious philosophy onto kids where it's like, and I know it seems small, but
00:06:22.540 I could think of like, or even adult teachers talking to us about like, like I remember, um,
00:06:28.260 I wasn't really invited to many parties in high school, but, but I did throw one, my
00:06:32.840 senior year of high school.
00:06:34.060 I did.
00:06:34.400 I got caught though.
00:06:35.620 Yeah.
00:06:35.760 At your parents' house?
00:06:36.860 Yeah.
00:06:37.260 You know what's crazy?
00:06:37.880 You and your 19 siblings?
00:06:39.420 You don't know.
00:06:39.960 I'll tell you what happened every summer.
00:06:41.540 So I would play volleyball and it was really competitive.
00:06:44.560 Like all of my teammates went to a division one.
00:06:46.880 Like it was a very, we were top like 20 or 30 in the country for club.
00:06:51.120 Like we were, it was a really competitive team.
00:06:52.900 And so my parents every summer would leave for like a month and I would be home in this
00:06:57.380 big house for a month.
00:06:59.540 I never did anything until my senior year.
00:07:02.500 I was like this one time I got caught.
00:07:05.220 Yeah.
00:07:05.480 It was, you know, it was crazy.
00:07:07.800 Oh my gosh.
00:07:08.380 So my senior year, I finally, like, I was kind of, I played volleyball and basketball.
00:07:14.780 So I did two sports, so I would go to school and I would have, I don't know, four, like
00:07:22.520 four hours of, I would go to school and then I'd have four hours of practice.
00:07:25.420 My school was 30 minutes away.
00:07:26.960 My practice was 45.
00:07:27.960 So I spent like, I've just always been really busy since I was, I was a kid.
00:07:32.360 And so what happened was my senior year, I finally had like a friend group because I
00:07:36.900 was so busy.
00:07:37.620 I just didn't.
00:07:38.140 And we would also travel out of state on the weekend.
00:07:40.660 So like a weekend I'd be in Vegas.
00:07:42.920 The next weekend I'd be like, I'd be traveling.
00:07:44.860 For sports?
00:07:45.440 Yes.
00:07:45.860 Yes.
00:07:46.100 Because it was travel volleyball.
00:07:47.820 So senior year, I finally get a friend group, right?
00:07:51.100 And this was kind of new to me.
00:07:52.160 I usually just had like two or three friends.
00:07:54.460 And so I'm like, all right, I'm going to throw a party.
00:07:56.960 My mom won't find out.
00:07:58.120 She's gone for a month.
00:07:59.520 Like she's not going to know one day in the whole month.
00:08:02.240 I invite, it wasn't even that big.
00:08:03.820 My mom thinks it was a rager.
00:08:05.800 Mom, if you're watching, it was like 20, 25 people.
00:08:08.960 Not bad.
00:08:09.280 I could have, I could have had a huge, you know, and so what happened was we did the
00:08:14.560 party.
00:08:15.200 It was good.
00:08:16.120 We cleaned up.
00:08:16.900 I left.
00:08:17.400 And what happened was I went to my parents' house in like their other house and I met them.
00:08:22.760 Does that make sense?
00:08:23.580 Yeah.
00:08:23.660 Yeah.
00:08:23.800 And what I didn't know was, um, my, when my dad came back, he found a garbage bag full
00:08:29.640 of beer cans, but do you know what?
00:08:32.100 The weird thing was we didn't drink beer.
00:08:34.040 So that, that's what I said.
00:08:35.420 I was so confused.
00:08:36.480 Cause I'm like, they, like my parents must be making this up because I know I did not buy
00:08:42.180 beer for this party.
00:08:43.240 I don't like beer.
00:08:44.460 And so this was like the first year I ever dread, like the first.
00:08:49.760 Yeah.
00:08:50.320 And, and so what happened was my friends in high, this is why, you know, you can't have
00:08:56.560 too many friends.
00:08:57.240 My friends in high school came back cause they knew I was leaving and threw another party and
00:09:05.180 they didn't clean it up.
00:09:06.840 And so then that, that went through my mom going through all of my text messages, my dad.
00:09:14.600 Yeah.
00:09:15.140 Oh, I'm going to tell you, this is the worst part.
00:09:17.680 I'm going to say it online.
00:09:19.000 So, you know, I really have never been a big smoker, you know, but I, this was the first
00:09:24.660 time I ever smoked weed ever.
00:09:26.380 So they bring the weed over.
00:09:27.820 Right.
00:09:28.680 And they, and I hated it.
00:09:30.680 I tried it and I was like, and so my friends took a picture of me going like, like, cause I
00:09:35.300 didn't like it.
00:09:36.260 But my dad now thinks I'm a pothead because he has a picture of me with the weed.
00:09:41.700 How did he get the picture?
00:09:42.640 Because they went through my messages.
00:09:45.020 They took your phone?
00:09:45.640 Yes.
00:09:45.860 They took my phone because of the beer thing that they came back and like did.
00:09:50.840 And then it was like a whole rabbit hole.
00:09:53.860 They just found out about everything.
00:09:56.460 I got sent to Wisconsin for a month with, to live with my grandma in the middle of nowhere.
00:10:02.080 Yeah.
00:10:02.580 Like there's like no cell service at the time.
00:10:05.360 They made me sell my, my country music ticket.
00:10:08.540 Like, yeah, they were, yeah.
00:10:11.320 What'd you do with grandma?
00:10:12.580 I mean, I actually was her designated driver.
00:10:15.260 My grandma kind of like got like, I'm German.
00:10:18.240 They, they like to drink.
00:10:19.540 You know what I mean?
00:10:20.340 So I remember I took my grandma to a karaoke bar.
00:10:22.960 You know what's funny?
00:10:23.380 I took my grandma to a karaoke of like 16 or seven.
00:10:26.840 Cause I graduated when I was 17.
00:10:28.120 I was a year young.
00:10:28.940 So I, I think I was 16 or 17 and I'm driving my grandma to, um, to a karaoke bar with her friends.
00:10:38.100 And it's all these old ladies and they're all, a lot of them, cause my grandma was a widow and a lot of them were widowed. 0.99
00:10:43.780 And I remember sitting there listening to them talk about boys, that they're dated guys like older.
00:10:48.380 Right.
00:10:48.780 And I was thinking like, wow, they sound exactly like me and my friends.
00:10:52.940 Like women never take. 1.00
00:10:55.320 And the funniest thing, the funniest thing was the, the difference about like older, cause you have to think women outlive men. 0.68
00:11:01.460 So they kind of reenter the dating pool.
00:11:03.780 Right.
00:11:03.960 I mean, you kind of hope they don't, but they do, you know?
00:11:06.440 They do.
00:11:06.840 So, so the, the issue though is when they date some of their, their dates die.
00:11:12.080 Yeah.
00:11:12.500 So it's like, they're like, oh, I was seeing that guy, but he died.
00:11:15.620 Oh, I was seeing that guy, but he got cancer.
00:11:17.600 And yeah, so it's funny.
00:11:22.820 Cause when you're dating as like, cause I think my grandpa died, which he early sixties.
00:11:26.900 So I think she was like almost 70 at the time.
00:11:29.020 Something like that.
00:11:29.720 But remember some old people live to be 90 where some, you know, diets, like the average dies at 70, 75, whatever it is. 0.76
00:11:38.300 So it's kind of like, you're kind of playing roulette at that.
00:11:41.460 That's funny.
00:11:42.380 What's the, yeah.
00:11:43.100 And all the women are like, like they're dying. 1.00
00:11:45.400 They're literally dying.